@@chadwaller8192 Only do that after you reroute auxiliary power through the nacelles to account for the variances in the rear adjuster. Don't want that tachyon paste to set off a chain reaction with the sarium krellide structures of the base.
At a guess Renegade Borg transwarp conduits were nothing like actual Borg ones or Voyager could have got home the moment they stumbled across one (which never happened until they find the Transwarp Hub).
@Dory Fin that’s a good idea. The Borg may rapidly open and close the conduits to suit their needs and with how in synch they are, coordination wouldn’t be an issue. Even if you knew the trick, you’d have a closing window and the Borg would control the destination anyway. Unless it was reverse engineered, it’d be difficult to take advantage of their current system
Or maybe the borg, realizing that their conduits have been hacked, decided to create an encryption key, the transwarp coil. One which has to be used to go through the conduit safely.
Based on the premise that Warp 9.9 = 4 billion miles per second (per Tom Paris statement) which translates to 21 473 times speed of light... this TW tunnel is definitely much faster than just 20 times. The Borg TW conduit speed (if based on the idea that 65 Ly's = 15 seconds of travel time) would be about 6500 times faster than Warp 9.9 (which Voyager couldn't even reach according to dialogue - it could only sustain 9.75 for 12 hours - not 9.975). The only SF ship that was able to match and sustain a cruising speed of Warp 9.9 was the USS Prometheus (the 4 nacelle ship seen in VOY season 4 'Message in a bottle'). Or effectively, that Renegade Borg TW conduit = 136,656,000 times light speed... for that to be 'at least 20 x faster than UFP maximum Warp', then Warp 9.9 would have to be about 6,832,800 times light speed. Now, assuming that past Warp 9.9, speeds increase exponentially (along with energy requirements), Warp 9.97 = 2,748,544 times speed of light (or about 49.7 times slower than that Borg TW conduit). Incidentally, Warp 9.97 = just faster than Quantum slipstream V1 (300 Ly's per hour at maximum speed). And Quantum Slipstream V2 (as seen in Timeless episode) = 10 000 Ly's per minute (roughly) - or about 5,256,000,000 times light speed (38.4 times faster than Renegade Borg TW conduit). Similarly, the Borg TW hub in the Delta Quadrant Voyager encountered and used in Endgame was roughly several times slower than Quantum Slipstream V2.
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@@deksroning125 The answer is speed of plot. You can probably assume that the Enterprise was underway for more than 15 seconds and the elapsed time was simply cut away. Assuming a realistic flight time of roughly an hour, that would be 65 light years per hour. A twentieth of that would be about 3 light-years per hour, or about 72 light-years per day, or 26,280 times the speed of light. That would match Tom Paris' number. Quantum Slipstream would then only be 5 times the speed of this Transwarp Conduit, what is a realistic number. Not to fast in comparison. But that would go beyond the entire Voyager plot, since it always assumed a maximum of 1000 light years per year or 3 light years per day as Voyager's maximum speed. That would only be warp 8 on the official scale, and quite a distance from the "official" figure for warp 9.9 (8 light-years per day) or 9.975 (16 light-years per day). The value of Tom Paris is then a whole magnitude higher at 60 light years a day.
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@@deksroning125 The entire warp scale is completely unthought out and chosen arbitrarily. The "official" values from the books are far too low and would make the spaceships so slow that many stories just don't make sense. I would have simply made the default that the Enterprise cannot fly further than once across the Milky Way in a 5 year mission. So it would have been slow enough to leave enough unexplored territory. 5 years for 100,000 light years is 20,000 times the speed of light, about what Tom Paris mentioned for Warp 9.9. But that would be fast enough to fly from one sector to another "quickly" for a plot. For 20 light years one would need almost 9 hours. I would have defined this speed as warp 9. Warp 1 Speed of Light (0.003 ly/day) Warp 2 3.5 times the speed of light (0.01 ly/day) Warp 3 12.3 times the speed of light (0.03 ly/day) Warp 4 43 times the speed of light (0.12 ly/day) Warp 5 150 times the speed of light (0.41 ly/day) Warp 6 525 times the speed of light (~1.5 ly/day) Warp 7 1838 times the speed of light (~5 ly/day) Warp 8 6434 times the speed of light (~18 ly/day) Warp 9 22519 times the speed of light (~62 ly/day) Warp 10 (transwarp threshold, maximum achievable speed for any warp drive) 78816 times the speed of light (~216 ly/day) Warp 10+ for Borg Transwarp, Quantum Slipstream, Coaxial Warp (folding of space), Subspace Catapult, Subspace Vortex, etc. So from warp 2 to warp 9 there is always a 3.5-fold increase in speed from warp factor to warp factor.
I presume you knew WOrf has a hearing impairment. Thats why he shouts from the bridge all the time. His fellow Klingons all suffer from the same genetic trait so do not notice
Meanwhile a newer ship voyager could not tap into transwarp without stealing a transwarp coil from the borg. But the enterprise just jumped into one no issue...
OK So they could not find the shuttle after going through the transwarp conduit. Gordi, scans 3 star systems and knows there are civilizations but no life signs. Then Riker using the shuttles energy signature he finds it. 1. Wouldn't they always search for the energy signature? 2. It is so close they don't need warp engines and only use full impulse, and yet they couldn't find it?
Normal scientific study response - Science station, leave a science probe here to scan the conduit. Send a message to Star Fleet command about what we have discovered. Maybe we can use this technology ourselves. Star Trek - Let's ignore this scientific breakthrough and try to figure out things on our own. It will take hundreds of years, but this is for science!
Within a few seconds? I would imagine so. I think it took hours or days to cover those distances at high warp, they did it far faster than normal and with power going mainly to their shields. Crossing a city might not be an achievement, but imagine doing so in a tenth of the traditional time and with no energy expended on your part. That might parallel their situation.
Star Trek warp drive is actually stupid slow compared to what the stories demand. Even at maximum warp it would take the Enterprise D about a day to travel from Earth to Alpha Centauri.
According to a scale I found from reddit, at warp 9.6 would take 4 days to cover 20 light years, so 65 light years would be 13 days. www.reddit.com/r/startrekadventures/comments/e0bzk4/scale_of_the_federation_and_warp_speed/
@@ascelot I've been watching this for years but recently found out their travel's never left the milky way. I like how they put a limit on their tech & showing how vast space is
That’s how you knew that shit was serious, when the yellow shirt extra was standing next to the turbolift doors. What a crappy job that must be. No chair, nothing to do, just stand there for your whole shift. And if shit does go down all you’re wearing for protection are your Starfleet issue tactical pajamas.
It is fiction. However, the fastest route for you from airport security to your gate is to accelerate you through your own conduit. Consider moving walkways, elevators, golf carts, etc vs just walking and taking stairs. To the outside observer, you moved 20 times faster from point to point, but there are limits and trade offs.
The USS Excelsior NX-2000 that ship was the first transwarp ship so all Commander la Forge has to do is look up in the Starfleet computers regarding USS Excelsior NX-2000
Except that Starfleet transwarp and Borg transwarp are different things. Starfleet transwarp is much slower, comparatively speaking, and was apparently why the warp speed charts were adjusted between TMP and TNG times to allow for the faster travel.
Excelsior was considered a failure by Star Fleet command, true, the spaceframe held up and continued to see service in other Excelsior Class starships, but transwarp was all but dropped as far of engines were concerned...
Starfleet transwarp is what's just called standard warp drive in TNG and later eras, it has no relation to borg transwarp which is an entirely different method of travel. The difference between the newer warp drives (called transwarp at first) is that they could go from full stop straight to warp. The original Enterprise 1701 had to first speed up to full impulse before going to warp.
Transwarp seems to act as a multiplier Going in at 1 half impulse multiplied resulted in 65 light-years in 9 secs Ruff rude and clumsy the whole way, and reasoning for "Only 9 Secs" they'd just what they happened to manage on this blind attempt Voyager requiring Transwarp Coil must have been to safely manage maintaining effective use of said warp multiplier conduit Badly inputting impulse speed resulted 65 light-years traveled over 8 violent secs Imagine Proficiently inputting warp 9 or 10 into same multiplier over same 9 sec duration correspondingly multiplier of light years traveled would be ridiculous. That still only ten seconds...is Now extrapolate out light-years traveled by maintaining that not for 10 seconds but for an entire hour Inconceivable Distance Our milky way galaxy is a Big Fookin Place
I don't think there would have been enough power in Voyager's systems to do this sort of thing long term. For example, this clip shows the Enterprise's main power dropped to about 67% almost as soon as they jumped to transwarp. Cdr. La Forge had to use some of the ship's auxiliary power to compensate for the main power drop I just mentioned. On top of that, they dropped out of transwarp a few seconds after he did that. While Voyager is newer than the Enterprise and has more advanced power systems, they would have probably had to do something similar to ensure they had enough power to sustain them through the transwarp tunnel each time. Even then, some of Voyager's systems might blow out. Janeway's crew might have some replacement parts, but they probably won't have enough to keep replacing the parts that blow out if they keep trying to jump to transwarp. So, while it might work on the short term and cut some time off of their journey back to the Alpha Quadrant, using transwarp technology long term might do Voyager and her crew more harm than good and make their journey home more difficult.
The Borg have an energy source far superior to Starfleet's antimatter reactors. And they have perfected transwarp technology to the point where they can store the key components of their transwarp drive in a device called a transwarp coil, no larger than a table. Standard Borg ships employ multiple coils, but a single one managed to carry Voyager's crew more than 10,000 light-years before it was depleted.
@@DennisKovacich, It doesn't say that in the description. If you Google search "What episode does the Enterprise-D go through a borg transwawrp conduit?" You will get the answer. Descent, a two-part episode where Data's brother Lore has taken control of some Borg separated from the collective.
@@ColinGilbert24, really? Here’s a link to a screenshot of the description that I just took. It sure looks as if it says “Descent, Pt. 1” to me. www.dropbox.com/s/14w75wvgx4n5l37/IMG_0350.PNG?dl=0
@@DennisKovacich, you must have a different version of RUclips because that dropbox picture link is not included in the description. www.dropbox.com/s/pcedxet14pos0e5/Description.png?dl=0
Tachyons are the answer to everything!
Lol
Like before Picard said he was going to get some rest and told Data to escort Riker to the bridge, he emitted a "tacky yawn".
I fell and got a nasty grass stain on my favorite shirt ... However, I was able to form a rudimentary tachyon paste that was able to remove the stain.
Make sure to re-initialize your tertiary e-band matrix.
@@chadwaller8192 Only do that after you reroute auxiliary power through the nacelles to account for the variances in the rear adjuster. Don't want that tachyon paste to set off a chain reaction with the sarium krellide structures of the base.
Tachyons are an actual thing. It's not just a fancy sounding word. It's an overarching term to classify any superluminal particle.
@@keco185 And water is wet.
@@keco185 Yah, they do the same thing with positrons. Not much can be accomplished with positive electrons.
At a guess Renegade Borg transwarp conduits were nothing like actual Borg ones or Voyager could have got home the moment they stumbled across one (which never happened until they find the Transwarp Hub).
@Dory Fin that’s a good idea. The Borg may rapidly open and close the conduits to suit their needs and with how in synch they are, coordination wouldn’t be an issue. Even if you knew the trick, you’d have a closing window and the Borg would control the destination anyway. Unless it was reverse engineered, it’d be difficult to take advantage of their current system
That and it's probably an "All roads lead to Rome" thing. Do you really want to go visit Borg Rome?
Or maybe the borg, realizing that their conduits have been hacked, decided to create an encryption key, the transwarp coil. One which has to be used to go through the conduit safely.
65 light years in like 15s is much more than 20x maximum warp.
Based on the premise that Warp 9.9 = 4 billion miles per second (per Tom Paris statement) which translates to 21 473 times speed of light... this TW tunnel is definitely much faster than just 20 times.
The Borg TW conduit speed (if based on the idea that 65 Ly's = 15 seconds of travel time) would be about 6500 times faster than Warp 9.9 (which Voyager couldn't even reach according to dialogue - it could only sustain 9.75 for 12 hours - not 9.975).
The only SF ship that was able to match and sustain a cruising speed of Warp 9.9 was the USS Prometheus (the 4 nacelle ship seen in VOY season 4 'Message in a bottle').
Or effectively, that Renegade Borg TW conduit = 136,656,000 times light speed... for that to be 'at least 20 x faster than UFP maximum Warp', then Warp 9.9 would have to be about 6,832,800 times light speed.
Now, assuming that past Warp 9.9, speeds increase exponentially (along with energy requirements), Warp 9.97 = 2,748,544 times speed of light (or about 49.7 times slower than that Borg TW conduit).
Incidentally, Warp 9.97 = just faster than Quantum slipstream V1 (300 Ly's per hour at maximum speed).
And Quantum Slipstream V2 (as seen in Timeless episode) = 10 000 Ly's per minute (roughly) - or about 5,256,000,000 times light speed (38.4 times faster than Renegade Borg TW conduit).
Similarly, the Borg TW hub in the Delta Quadrant Voyager encountered and used in Endgame was roughly several times slower than Quantum Slipstream V2.
@@deksroning125 The answer is speed of plot. You can probably assume that the Enterprise was underway for more than 15 seconds and the elapsed time was simply cut away.
Assuming a realistic flight time of roughly an hour, that would be 65 light years per hour. A twentieth of that would be about 3 light-years per hour, or about 72 light-years per day, or 26,280 times the speed of light. That would match Tom Paris' number.
Quantum Slipstream would then only be 5 times the speed of this Transwarp Conduit, what is a realistic number. Not to fast in comparison.
But that would go beyond the entire Voyager plot, since it always assumed a maximum of 1000 light years per year or 3 light years per day as Voyager's maximum speed. That would only be warp 8 on the official scale, and quite a distance from the "official" figure for warp 9.9 (8 light-years per day) or 9.975 (16 light-years per day). The value of Tom Paris is then a whole magnitude higher at 60 light years a day.
@@deksroning125 The entire warp scale is completely unthought out and chosen arbitrarily. The "official" values from the books are far too low and would make the spaceships so slow that many stories just don't make sense.
I would have simply made the default that the Enterprise cannot fly further than once across the Milky Way in a 5 year mission. So it would have been slow enough to leave enough unexplored territory. 5 years for 100,000 light years is 20,000 times the speed of light, about what Tom Paris mentioned for Warp 9.9.
But that would be fast enough to fly from one sector to another "quickly" for a plot. For 20 light years one would need almost 9 hours. I would have defined this speed as warp 9.
Warp 1 Speed of Light (0.003 ly/day)
Warp 2 3.5 times the speed of light (0.01 ly/day)
Warp 3 12.3 times the speed of light (0.03 ly/day)
Warp 4 43 times the speed of light (0.12 ly/day)
Warp 5 150 times the speed of light (0.41 ly/day)
Warp 6 525 times the speed of light (~1.5 ly/day)
Warp 7 1838 times the speed of light (~5 ly/day)
Warp 8 6434 times the speed of light (~18 ly/day)
Warp 9 22519 times the speed of light (~62 ly/day)
Warp 10 (transwarp threshold, maximum achievable speed for any warp drive) 78816 times the speed of light (~216 ly/day)
Warp 10+ for Borg Transwarp, Quantum Slipstream, Coaxial Warp (folding of space), Subspace Catapult, Subspace Vortex, etc.
So from warp 2 to warp 9 there is always a 3.5-fold increase in speed from warp factor to warp factor.
MR. WORF - RED ALERT.
Dude, I'm standing right next to you...why you yellin' bro?
I presume you knew WOrf has a hearing impairment. Thats why he shouts from the bridge all the time. His fellow Klingons all suffer from the same genetic trait so do not notice
Turn around and ask me for red alert, yo! Why you always gotta be messin with me when I'm on tactical, B?
The pulse needed to be 1.21gigawatts ;-)
That‘s right! And the ship has to enter the conduit at exactly 88 Mph.
That's Jiggawatt...
Only a bolt of lightning can produce that kind of energy...Great Scott!
Haha
We finna go fast
Turn on the weapons
L OL
To be fair, they were entering a Borg controlled area
New Trek: "Dude, I fu*king warped the phasers."
Meanwhile a newer ship voyager could not tap into transwarp without stealing a transwarp coil from the borg. But the enterprise just jumped into one no issue...
Probably because the Enterprise crew knew exactly where a transwarp conduit was, whereas Voyager didn't.
It's because the Enterprise was able to bounce a graviton particle beam off the main deflector dish.
That's cause voyager didn't have geordi.
Don't forget that Voyager was managed by a woman
@@wolf335599 that's not it. a transwarp conduit is no parking lot.
It’s always the tachyons.
Those Borg and their tachyon particles....
OK So they could not find the shuttle after going through the transwarp conduit. Gordi, scans 3 star systems and knows there are civilizations but no life signs. Then Riker using the shuttles energy signature he finds it.
1. Wouldn't they always search for the energy signature?
2. It is so close they don't need warp engines and only use full impulse, and yet they couldn't find it?
Normal scientific study response - Science station, leave a science probe here to scan the conduit. Send a message to Star Fleet command about what we have discovered. Maybe we can use this technology ourselves.
Star Trek - Let's ignore this scientific breakthrough and try to figure out things on our own. It will take hundreds of years, but this is for science!
Transwarps are not real warps.
So... 65 light years is far for them?
Within a few seconds? I would imagine so. I think it took hours or days to cover those distances at high warp, they did it far faster than normal and with power going mainly to their shields.
Crossing a city might not be an achievement, but imagine doing so in a tenth of the traditional time and with no energy expended on your part. That might parallel their situation.
Star Trek warp drive is actually stupid slow compared to what the stories demand. Even at maximum warp it would take the Enterprise D about a day to travel from Earth to Alpha Centauri.
@@HawkGTboy except the warp factor is not linear, warp 5 is not 5xlightspeed, it is a lot more faster.
According to a scale I found from reddit, at warp 9.6 would take 4 days to cover 20 light years, so 65 light years would be 13 days.
www.reddit.com/r/startrekadventures/comments/e0bzk4/scale_of_the_federation_and_warp_speed/
@@ascelot I've been watching this for years but recently found out their travel's never left the milky way. I like how they put a limit on their tech & showing how vast space is
You really think posting that extra security officer on the bridge will help defend against a Borg boarding party!
That’s how you knew that shit was serious, when the yellow shirt extra was standing next to the turbolift doors. What a crappy job that must be. No chair, nothing to do, just stand there for your whole shift. And if shit does go down all you’re wearing for protection are your Starfleet issue tactical pajamas.
Thank you, I will go watch this episode at Warp 7 now. ha,Ha.
Nobody here turned into a lizard and made lizard babies so I have some questions...
which episode is that??
Still think this is sleekest looking Enterprise
Wrong. NCC-1701-A
It is fiction. However, the fastest route for you from airport security to your gate is to accelerate you through your own conduit. Consider moving walkways, elevators, golf carts, etc vs just walking and taking stairs. To the outside observer, you moved 20 times faster from point to point, but there are limits and trade offs.
And then they meet voyager😂
In what way they meet Voyager?
It is a transwarp tunnel not a time distortion.
@@simoninfinitygeak9695 Because they traveled that far in a short time. It was meant as a joke.
@@Kakuretaka what Marco said.
I know that they don't play in the same time
They only traveled 65 light years. They still had to go 69935 additional light years, to reach the Caretaker's Array.
The USS Excelsior NX-2000 that ship was the first transwarp ship so all Commander la Forge has to do is look up in the Starfleet computers regarding USS Excelsior NX-2000
Except that Starfleet transwarp and Borg transwarp are different things. Starfleet transwarp is much slower, comparatively speaking, and was apparently why the warp speed charts were adjusted between TMP and TNG times to allow for the faster travel.
Excelsior was considered a failure by Star Fleet command, true, the spaceframe held up and continued to see service in other Excelsior Class starships, but transwarp was all but dropped as far of engines were concerned...
Exactly. "Transwarp" drive in the TOS movies era is the same thing as warp drive in the TNG era.
@@sephservant SMH.
Starfleet transwarp is what's just called standard warp drive in TNG and later eras, it has no relation to borg transwarp which is an entirely different method of travel.
The difference between the newer warp drives (called transwarp at first) is that they could go from full stop straight to warp. The original Enterprise 1701 had to first speed up to full impulse before going to warp.
So how do you "alternative between the frequencies" when youre talking about two arbitrarily defined bandwidths?
Not the Tachyon pulse.
They sound like excelsior stalling out
So if warp 9.9 on voyager was 4 billion miles a second. Transwarp is 80 billion miles a second.
Whelp, it's time for future lizard sex.
So why did they not use these in other episode
What episode is this?
"Descent, Part 1," the final episode of TNG's sixth season
What episode of TNG was this?
Transwarp seems to act as a multiplier
Going in at 1 half impulse multiplied resulted in 65 light-years in 9 secs
Ruff rude and clumsy the whole way, and reasoning for "Only 9 Secs" they'd just what they happened to manage on this blind attempt
Voyager requiring Transwarp Coil must have been to safely manage maintaining effective use of said warp multiplier conduit
Badly inputting impulse speed resulted 65 light-years traveled over 8 violent secs
Imagine
Proficiently inputting warp 9 or 10 into same multiplier over same 9 sec duration correspondingly multiplier of light years traveled would be ridiculous.
That still only ten seconds...is
Now extrapolate out light-years traveled by maintaining that not for 10 seconds but for an entire hour
Inconceivable Distance
Our milky way galaxy is a Big Fookin Place
How does he see through that thing on his face?
It has lots of tiny slits; you can see them in the close up. Levar Burton hated wearing the visor because it gave him terrible headaches.
TRACEE!!!
Lol tracee was sitting right next to Laforge lol notice strait away from the videos add screen was like yep that Lt ja
What episode.
6.26-Descent (1)
im going to build me one
Where you going ? Do they Braves baseball there ? If so, I'M in !
Why didn't Janeway use one of these?
I don't think there would have been enough power in Voyager's systems to do this sort of thing long term.
For example, this clip shows the Enterprise's main power dropped to about 67% almost as soon as they jumped to transwarp. Cdr. La Forge had to use some of the ship's auxiliary power to compensate for the main power drop I just mentioned. On top of that, they dropped out of transwarp a few seconds after he did that.
While Voyager is newer than the Enterprise and has more advanced power systems, they would have probably had to do something similar to ensure they had enough power to sustain them through the transwarp tunnel each time. Even then, some of Voyager's systems might blow out. Janeway's crew might have some replacement parts, but they probably won't have enough to keep replacing the parts that blow out if they keep trying to jump to transwarp.
So, while it might work on the short term and cut some time off of their journey back to the Alpha Quadrant, using transwarp technology long term might do Voyager and her crew more harm than good and make their journey home more difficult.
She did
The Borg have an energy source far superior to Starfleet's antimatter reactors. And they have perfected transwarp technology to the point where they can store the key components of their transwarp drive in a device called a transwarp coil, no larger than a table. Standard Borg ships employ multiple coils, but a single one managed to carry Voyager's crew more than 10,000 light-years before it was depleted.
What episode is this from?
Descent, I think.
It says it’s Descent Part 1 in the description.
@@DennisKovacich, It doesn't say that in the description. If you Google search "What episode does the Enterprise-D go through a borg transwawrp conduit?" You will get the answer. Descent, a two-part episode where Data's brother Lore has taken control of some Borg separated from the collective.
@@ColinGilbert24, really? Here’s a link to a screenshot of the description that I just took. It sure looks as if it says “Descent, Pt. 1” to me.
www.dropbox.com/s/14w75wvgx4n5l37/IMG_0350.PNG?dl=0
@@DennisKovacich, you must have a different version of RUclips because that dropbox picture link is not included in the description. www.dropbox.com/s/pcedxet14pos0e5/Description.png?dl=0
F@!&ing Borg.
SWAG
Humans should have gone back to having 10+ kids in this future.
Why on earth would be go back to that primtive time
@@matthewjones2095 You are right. The smart people should be having more kids :)
Tom Paris turned lizard at warp 10 sooooooo
And Janeway . And they had sex. I wonder what became of their offspring.
What’s the ep?
Descent (Part 1) of Star Trek The Next Generation season 6