It's incredible and considering this is the very infancy of CGI, and this scene would look even better if the original reel is ever properly remastered into HD.
This is so great, because it is what Star Trek is at heart: a morality play. It asks the hard questions, and it is the only piece of sci fi I like that casts the human race in a positive light in the future!
equenoxe86 yeah I know mate, I saw the post date :) The first, i dunno, 15 seconds seemed to imply that they were alone and stranded. I thought we may get some character development, the rest of the trailer completely shot that down.
+PageofLegend That is the very reason so many debates around the treatment of the Prime Directive take place. Star Trek is a relatively believable imagining of the future for our species, and as such it's necessary, and very interesting, to consider how our species' idea of morality will guide our actions in such a future, and how we might interact with different species with very different ideas of morality.
That really is the best warp scene I've seen from any of the TV shows. Ashame they didn't have more of that blur motion, really adds to the idea of how "fast" warp is.
@@NickMichalak And Doctor Who, BSG, Dollhouse, Firefly & Warehouse 13. Maybe decent character actor who is available to play parts shot in Canada? I'm not going to try that hard to find out.
Me too...my favorite show!!!! This discovery new show is crap.. have you watch it? Phaser firing sound like farts and you can't really see who fires at who...cheap crap
This scene is probably one of the best action sequences in Star Trek. The pacing is great. The timing lines up with exterior shots. The direction here was above average. And the music is so good underneath it all and bombastic when it makes sense. And the clever tactic to flee from the borg without using conventional battle matching was so nice to watch. Love love love it.
Wait this was 2000? I wouldve thought it was late 80's/early 90's. Toy story was already out at this point. I guess high production cost tv shows are a recent thing
Janeway may not have done the "right" or "moral" thing here; and that annoys a lot of you. Here we are nearly 20 years after this episode was made discussing the right and wrong of the issues presented to us. In this 4 minute clip, this is Star Trek - makes you think, makes you talk and makes you disagree with one another.
It was a great show- very underrated. Also Captains making tough decisions is far more interesting than always making obvious decisions. Janeway herself has plenty of flaws.
Still.... as entertaining and thought-provoking as it was... I'm literally blown away that we (a Starfleet crew) just handed an entire civilization, to the Borg. I can't see Picard or Sisko doing the same, in such a situation. Makes more sense to me, to help or reinforce the populations ability to defend itself. Create a society where individuals would be willing to sacrifice on behalf of the population, and literally buy civilization enough time to defend itself. Voyager could have helped by sharing technology with them. Technology that they could in-turn perfect over time, and one-day create a truly sustainable defense... so that sacrifices would no longer be necessary.
+x Jokerz The Prime Directive is not just a set of rules; it is a philosophy ... and a very correct one. History has proven again and again that whenever mankind interferes with a less developed civilization, no matter how well intentioned that interference may be, the results are invariably disastrous. JLP
+GeorgeGordonNCA Actually the Prime Directive wasn't violated. You can bypass the Prime Directive if there was a friend in need. Since Icheb was sort of a friend, the captain did nothing wrong.
+Jade2016 Incorrect. You can violate the Prime Directive in service of the Omega Protocol or to save the Federation. For a friend, no. That's not a viable reason.
+GeorgeGordonNCA Is it a violation? They brought the boy to his home world for Icheb's benefit. Then they were lied to. If they had know Icheb would be used as Borg bait, they wouldn't have delivered him. So is being lied to and tricked and then remedying that really breaking the Prime Directive?
"The needs of the many outweighs the needs of the few. " I really effing wish people would stop misinterpreting that line. Spock chose to sacrifice *himself* ; Spock did NOT force someone else to sacrifice themselves.
Yep, Spock sacrificed himself to save the Enterprise against Khan. He was brought back because simply put "The needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many" as Kirk put it.
The Voyager crew was family. Once someone becomes part of that family they will ride into the jaws of death for them. They didn’t leave anyone behind. Loyal to the end.
Even if it meant violating the Prime Directive or spitting in the face of Spock's iconic "needs of the many" line. Even so, their methods stuck with Janeway, to the point her future self pulled off the same trick a hell of a lot more successfully.
danwat1234 thr nacelle angles were to protect the fabric of space. Remember that episode in next generation where warp drive was damaging space . So the amgled nacelles was the first solution. Then later on they supposedly figured out to fix the damage of warp drive. Blah blah lol
@@vegetta00 Works for me, Star Trek Online in my opinion is the real Prime Universe. Sure, Romulus still get destroyed but it still feels like Star Trek to me.
This show was brilliant for its time. And it was the first show that had CGI effects which I thought was pretty cool. I loved how headstrong Janeway was. This conversation was very interesting I thought. And you’ve gotta love Tom Paris’ driving skills for that fast warp in the end!!!
That's the thing with Tuvok, I think Tuvok was pissed even though as a vulcan, he doesn't show emotions, BUT if it was Spock, Spock would have gone apeshit on them like he did with Valeris in Undiscovered Country.
@@GenGamesUniverse But what choice did they have?? The future of their entire world was at stake. If we had to sacrifice one person to save all of Earth would we do it??
The civilisation of cowards, and of those who sacrifice their young under false premises, does not deserve to exist. The moral of this story is that this civilisation is already dead, albeit they think ‘they are alive’.
@@zvonimirtosic6171 Well Spock would disagree with you. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" Sacrificing one for the benefit of possible billions is not even close to being brutal. Humans die EVERY DAY by the dozens and nobody blinks an eye so spare me your righteousness. And they're one of the VERY FEW species that have a very effective method of completely wiping out one of the most dangerous threats in the known universe completely and utterly.
@@picallo1 All of you "kill one to save a zillion" advocates need to STOP twisting Spock's words. He made a choice to sacrifice himself; he did *NOT* push for someone else to be killed in his place.
And yet Janeway returns from the future to infect the queen using the same knowledge she gained from them. To get Voyager home. I call that a fare trade.
eXcommunicate1979 to be fair plenty of captains have done the same thing and if it was much of a problem the time police would have stepped in, Picard has done it, Sisko has done it, hel l about the only captain not to do it was Archer hilariously enough.
After Icheb died on the Star Trek Picard, I will never look at the Borg episodes of Voyager the same way again. :-( I love the classic David Bell variants on this episode scene though ;-)
you are among those who apply the law without understanding the spirit of the law. Janeway defends individuality and the person who is reduced to be an object, to reach the point of being used to achieve an end. so the bad spirit of "any means are good" Janeway teaches them that their way is not the right one. thereby she interrupting their act. an act that is unhealthy in itself especially when there is another method more respectful of their life and that of their child. this civilization, in its methods, did not imagine that one of their child could be rescued, as we see in this show, and that the child would be brought back to them. the fact that he uses this child out of pure opportunism proves their dishonesty. they saw well that the crew of the voyager, were good people, who brought back to them their child, for care and kindness. no to be used & sacrify. they should not have used their own child, but take advantage of this chance to keep up with them. they are bad parents. what is the point of saving a civilization if people have bad behavior towards their own child? the crew of the voyager, took care of these children. the crew took their time and made efforts to bring them back to their families. one of these children is then sacrificed. how could parents imagine that their cold intention was going to be allowed ? by strangers who were already involved in the case, because the responsibility they have about these children !! the prime directive can not be applied blindly. it's a code of conduct but not a dictatorship.
@987643543 39256645 This isn't anywhere near as bad as "Flesh and Blood" where she destroys the defenses of Hirogen vessels, effectively sentencing their crews to death by holograms, that originated from Voyager. She effectively butchered a bunch of sentient beings because "MUH MALFUNCTIONING HOLOGRAMS HAVE FEELS TOO....and they're more important than real lives".
@987643543 39256645 yep and she basically did the same in the pilot which is literally why they were flung so far across the galaxy in the first place. quite inconvenient when federation warp technology was such a joke at the time. most people don't know that most of tng takes place in a smallass little area in the galaxy. something like 100-200 l.y. x 100-200 l.y. this region contains klingon/romulan/cardassian/ferangi/etc. empires and tons of uncharted space. even warp 9 is slow af even warp 9.9 would take almost two days to get you from sol to the nearest star system.
@@JAnx01 and she was right to help the holograms and twist the knife in the Hirogen, after trying to help them and everybody else by giving them the holodeck tech.
@@JFrazer4303 Now she wasn't. Those holograms were designed for target practice. They were devious, lethal and in the end, they ended up shut down anyway. Janeway should be trialed for butchering dozens of Hirogen for no reason.
Voyager was one of my favourite series, but what made it less than TNG for me was the fear they removed from the Borg. The Borg was the perfect nemesis; utterly terrifying, indestructible, emotionless and bell bent on total domination. Just to escape them took every ounce of intelligence, determination and technology at the crews' disposal. Then Voyager started destroying them almost at will. The Borg from TNG were horrifying.
Well, that and Tom Paris, and the fact that Janeway's will bent the laws of physics. Harry Kim and the Doctor were the only redeeming characters aboard Voyager.
I actually think the thing that made voyager so hard to defeat (and also why the borg queen was so intrigued by Janeway) was that Captain Janeway sometimes has the demeanor of a borg queen. Cold, calculating, ruthless, and opportunistic
@@yevgenydodzin9849 Right, because Sisko wasn't all that and more. What made Voyager unique was plot armour thicker than the writers' lob on for 7of9 🤣
I've always liked this scene. Good CGI for the time and I appreciated Janeway's empathy for Icheb's parents even though she refused to go along with their plan
You are supposed to feel sorry or bad for them. But honestly if their virus is strong enough to knock out a Borg vessel. Then why not use all their transports and infect their adults to have them be assimilated, send them on multiple vectors away from their planet but NEAR the conduit, and in intervals and get assimilated. I will admit their strategy if it can be called that is to use the maturation chambers to infect more ships.. but honestly it feels unlikely that one vessel can start a pandemic given how quick the borg are in sterilizing threats or compromised cubes. Honestly taking out several cubes in a coordinated volley and then hunkering down when more cubes come to see what’s going on. Wait a year or two to not have that conduit be flagged and not used and try again feels like a better strategy to put a dent in the borg. Anyway, you are supposed to feel bad for them but Janeway went with Children are not implements of war full stop I feel bad for you but we brought you back the kid which we see as family and you yeet him back to Borg space to be painfully assimilated and his identity buried by the weight of the collective. Yea I feel sorry but the kid is family.
@@Sasha-sj4xe My guess is that by darkening the room, the lighting from the consoles becomes even more visible, making it easier to see the controls you are operating.
@@kfireven Yes, however they do "transfer power" quite often. It's a very common occurrence. Even seeing at least two battles involving the ships tells you that.
Janeway: Prevents sacrificing a humanoid life to deliver a deadly pathogen to the Borg. Also Janeway: Sacrifices own life to deliver a deadly pathogen to the Borg.
Sacrifices the whole crew for the attempt to prevent the sacrifice (get him on board first, has not even a freaking idea how him and hers get away of the Borg)
What's ironic is that the pathogen future Janeway used was from icheb. He had one scene in the finale at the beginning and we never saw him after that yet he provided the means. I'm sure there was a scene cut or never shot where he comes back into play for their plan. Janeway shows up in the shuttle bay with the hypo spray but we never saw where she got it, for all we know there was a scene where perhaps Icheb and seven were talking about her future and Janeway calls him or both of them to sickbay but we don't know what for.
This was one of the most AWESOME & HAIR-RAISING moments of the entire series! And there were many. I also absolutely love the intense theme music used in it’s scoring!
They could have asked someone with a terminal illness or very old to volunteer to be genetically altered and volunteer to be on that ship to infect the Borg. They used a child without consent. The children were on Voyager long enough to be part of their community so I'm not sure Janeway rescuing him was a violation of prime directive. They did destroy the sphere which should lead the Borg to think twice about traveling to this sector.
Naw, destroying a sphere is a sure sign there might be a civilization that has cool tech for the Borg to assimilate. That whole area is going to be searched looking for what did it
I don't have a problem with her decision either. Janeway did what she could for her crew at the time and did the best she could in the DQ. What I wished they could have done to maybe improve the show was maybe have Voyager trade with allies weekly for supplies or something like that? But this show was fantastic and a great Star Trek show and, in my book, my favorite series besides TOS. And to hear that people are STILL arguing over 20 years later about the rights and wrongs of Voyager-speaks volumes in my book!
Star Trek Voyager has more dominant approach to traveling the universe, Janeway is a captain who seems less uptight then Picard of next generation. She is not afraid to break protocols and be offesnive if need be, i felt Next Generation which was great however lacked some aggression manly due to the picard character. Voyager feels more authentic.
TNG was happening mostly within the "safe and familiar" Alpha quadrant, with Starfleet support rarely very far away. Janeway is stranded 70 000 lightyears away from home, with no support available whatsoever. She can't afford to play by the book. I'm sure Picard would do the same in her situation.
WilfredIvanhoe somehow i feel that would not be the case. Janeway character was cast to a lady who needed to prove herself to command the newest vessel at the time, she could not be shown as weak.
+xc5647321 xc5647321 what episode was that? Equinox? I think that should have been more in line with what happened to Voyager. Them hitting the reset button for the next week got dull.
Wow, I love the sheer fury dripping from Janeway and Seven's voices during that exchange. Pure Mama Bear energy from both of them. you can tell it's taking Janeway everything she can to not blast Icheb's so-called parents to oblivion. They say never mess with Janeway in any circumstance, but heaven help you if you awaken her primal maternal protection instincts!
This is probably the single best battle Voyager had with the borg in the whole series..the borg were not made to look like weaklings here which is something Voyager writers did to them time and time again....Voyager's weapons had no impact on the sphere and the only reason they got away was because of good planning and excellent timing...and more than a little luck. Kudo's to the writers of this episode, it's a shame Voyager didn't have more moments like this one....it could have been a great series.
scooter1977 Erm, I don't think it really showed Borg as weaklings. Voyager fought Borg Cubes a few time, but with exception of End game, the Cube is always malfunctioning/Voyager has assistance. Again, with exception of End game, the only Borg vessel that Voyager destroyed In an one on one engagement is the Borg probe, which is a comparable vessel to voyager to start up.
Er, no. And I'd like to challenge this fashionable (and misguided) narrative. The Borg being all-powerful, unassailable, monolithic, impervious to any challenges made them dull and one-dimensional. Ain'tcha ever heard of David and Goliath? Everyone loves the small fry up against the big fish. And Janeway continuously snapping at their heels, f*8king them over every which way she can - to her eventual triumph - was one of the enduring pleasures of his series. You need to get that...
Icheb was a member of Voyager's crew and it wasn't right what Icheb's parents did to him. They left him to be assimilated again. If Voyager hadn't interfered then they would have taken him. The Prime Directive was broken but it wasn't Voyager that brought the borg sphere there. It was the species itself. However I dont' think the sphere would bother the planet. It's too primitive, not to mention the Borg don't hold grudges so they wouldn't go after the planet out of spite.
+KasaiWolf07 That might not be true. I'm no expert on Star Trek, but at the very least, there's a repeatable mission in Star Trek Online that involves you and any nearby ships (regardless of faction) working together to stop a Borg fleet from reaching and assimilating an underdeveloped planet. Think about it, what better target for the Borg to assimilate, than an underdeveloped planet that doesn't even have ships or weapons that would be effective at fighting them off? An underdeveloped planet would be a treasure trove of new drones for the Borg.
The prime directive refuses contact with under developed species because they gave a lot of technology to the Klingons and that turned into war for years. Just like when we give weapons to people in the middle east. The values are not shared so they don't use the technology/weapons as was intended. it just enables them to spread their violence. If were in the same place those people were in and fighting to survive the borg, we might have done the same thing just to save us and would not like having someone else telling us that we can't protect ourselves and doom us to the borg.
The Borg don't care about a species' defenses, they'd attack the most heavily defended of planets unless they outright knew they couldn't win. In fact, defenses that might hold them off would be a bigger lure. And you're right, once their population grew the Borg would attack again. The whole point in the ep was that the reason the Borg had been holding off was that their last few attacks had left them decimated, so they would wait until the population/technology grew back again
"Think about it, what better target for the Borg to assimilate, than an underdeveloped planet..." You'd think so, but the Borg themselves do not actually think this way. Usually. The Borg typically prefer to assimilate only peoples they think will contribute to the collective or the advancement of the collective. Seven explicitly mentions the Kazon as an example of a race that does not have to fear the Borg because the Borg find them utterly unworthy of assimilation. The only reason I personally can think of why the Borg might break this rule is to recoup major losses, for example, to recover from the ludicrous loss of drones suffered in the war with 8472. That's only speculation, though. All we know for sure is under normal circumstances, the Borg completely ignore underdeveloped races.
Janeway is one of my favourite Captains because she was pragmatic. She was Starfleet, and tried her best to uphold the ideals, but she also realised the Voyager was out there on its own and trying to survive. Sometimes that meant doing the unpopular thing. Same with Seven of Nine. It wasn’t protocol to essentially adopt her and make her a member of the crew, but Janeway knew how valuable she could be to them.
To all of you saying Janeway violated the prime directive here and gave into her emotions to save a "child", how do you feel about Picard violating the Prime Directive to rescue Wesley from the Edo in the episode "Justice"? Both Wesley and Icheb serve in a capacity that wouldn't hurt the ship if they were lost. Picard felt that the laws of the Edo were unjust, and while he might have struggled the the decision, he violated the Prime Directive to save a non-essential member of the crew.
+Thom Janning The Edo weren't facing possible assimilation, genocide, geological calamity, or other extinction threat. Hatred of Wesley Crusher aside (as well as Roddenberry's idea of making him a "wunderkind"), I'd respectfully submit that Picard's violation of the Prime Directive in "Justice" didn't have nearly as disastrous potential consequences than this video's example did.
+MysticDestroyer13 Except that in "Justice" the Edo were being manipulated by their "God" who explained as much to the Enterprise that interference would throw the Edo into chaos, results of which no one could calculate with certainty. But to the original point, it became not a violation because of the aforementioned manipulation. Because another force acted on the people, it became okay for the crew to take a stand.
+Thom Janning What people keep forgetting is that despite the fact that we're talking about humans a few centuries in the future, we're still talking about humans, and as long as we retain emotions as part of our brain chemistry, these types of emotionally charged decisions are pretty much unavoidable. The Prime Directive serves as a relatively strict guideline on how members of Starfleet should interact with relatively primitive species. Since, as I mentioned, Starfleet is primarily comprised of humans, (the same humans as us, as the writing reflects humans as we relate to them, rather than an imagining of humans who have evolved intellectually from us as they more likely will), most situations where the Prime Directive is to be considered will involve a human. So emotions will always play a potential role in the decisions these Starfleet captains make. Furthermore, I would be surprised if well known and experienced Starfleet captains such as Picard and Janeway weren't given a fair amount of leeway to use their own discretion.
Picard was just as wrong as Janeway. It was his professional carelessness to put a non crew member not even trained in the basic protocols in a First Contact situation. Wesley should never have been on the planet in the first place.
@@fmlazar Imagine being a crewmember who spent years in training and dedicated themselves on prior tours of duties to get an assignment on the Enterprise, finally getting a chance to be on an away mission only told, "nope, you're not going. some untrained kid the captain picked is taking your place"
Janeway saved a member of her crew. A crew that ex-drones included, by this point, were part of her family. Janeway is not in the wrong Icheb's despicable parents are for turning their innocent son into a bioweapon.
Societies have sent their children to fight since the beginning. This is no different. They fought with the only weapon at their disposal. The alternative was the loss of their society. Janeway was wrong and she sucked
@@ksbs2036 Infecting Icheb with a virus and sending him to get assimilated didn't work cos the Borg would cut the infected cube off from the collective, just like they did the first time (pisses me off that Janeway doesn't tell them this). One cube out of 1000s that they have. Essentially an irrelevance for the Borg. The Brunali are sending him to die for nothing. Janeway was right, and Icheb's parents sucked.
She is my second-favorite spaceship captain ever and I haven't seen this whole episode or anything but I'm really not sure if I fully support all the details of her spaceship-captaining over the course of these four minutes, I really don't know.
One of my favorite Voyager scenes. Although, they could've performed the Picard maneuver and got him out of there before the sphere emerged. That would've been cool too
Well, they didn't know that and couldn't predict it; the only far-flung future he was ever glimpsed in, during all of Voyager's temporal misadventures, he was alive and well, alongside adult Naomi.
@Kiss my axe SPOILER WARNING----------Seven of Nine is introduced in the series on a rescue mission to save a former Borg drone being tortured brutally (specifically getting his eye torn out). When she gets to him it's revealed it's Icheb and he dies in her arms. :, (
@Kiss my axe That scene in particular was pretty disturbing, however the series as a whole was well done (even though it does stray away from traditional Trek storytelling). Definitely can't wait for the second season!
Spock: the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few
Janeway: hold my coffee
Not just coffee but black coffee with no milk or sugar.
I mean... Kirk said to Spock in the next movie that sometimes “Because the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many.”
"And hold it steady!" :D
There's coffee in that nebula
The needs of the few or the one
The acting and CGI still holds up after all these years. I loved this show.
It had its moments.
It also had a number of issues with most of the notable event arcs “never happened ”.
It's incredible and considering this is the very infancy of CGI, and this scene would look even better if the original reel is ever properly remastered into HD.
As if good acting had a date of expiry…
Star Trek: Picard ruined Seven of Nine's character as well as the borg being somewhat scary bad guys.... the borg just want a hug now...
@@sethrauldatta7456 ugh. I don’t even want to think that exists.
That warp jump was probably one of the most epic CGI moments of the series...
also the warp jump where Voyager Got Hit By the Bioships Wheapon
I concur.
Indeed
agreed
@@crimecat1483 That was the first that came to mind XD
You can never know when Janeway will remember the “prime suggestion”
Out in the Delta Quadrant you make up the rules lol
A bit like Archer... "one day we will have some sort of directives... until then I do whatever the f I like 😝"
That or remember to renew her Twitch PRIME!!!!!!! Hahahahaha
truth be told ........ most of the captains in the ST television series (post TOS) were willing to break the prime directive. not just Kathryn.
@@dhinton1 yeah and yet Janeway broke the prime directive multiple times, she was just very vocal about following it when it helped the plot along.
All that and he dies to some harvester in the Alpha Quadrant... RIP Icheb!!
Hopefully Q juniour will resurrect him.
That was some bullshit, the writers only did that cause they hate the actor
Wait which episode does he die in?
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This is so great, because it is what Star Trek is at heart: a morality play. It asks the hard questions, and it is the only piece of sci fi I like that casts the human race in a positive light in the future!
equenoxe86 I certainly hope so.
+equenoxe86
Looking at the trailer...nope. It seems they've changed the vision behind Star Trek for good now.
equenoxe86
yeah I know mate, I saw the post date :)
The first, i dunno, 15 seconds seemed to imply that they were alone and stranded. I thought we may get some character development, the rest of the trailer completely shot that down.
+PageofLegend That is the very reason so many debates around the treatment of the Prime Directive take place. Star Trek is a relatively believable imagining of the future for our species, and as such it's necessary, and very interesting, to consider how our species' idea of morality will guide our actions in such a future, and how we might interact with different species with very different ideas of morality.
+PageofLegend always be ready. lol for what? expand your mind.
That really is the best warp scene I've seen from any of the TV shows. Ashame they didn't have more of that blur motion, really adds to the idea of how "fast" warp is.
I think the unusual angle sells it as well.
I preferred this one: (ruclips.net/video/bFBBins1txU/видео.html)
that was nice too.
Voyager always had good warp animations. I like how they move position and the sound effects for the warp engines was cool to.
Good news from 8 years into the future, they brought it back.
The Prime Directive gets screwed more than Poland.
MultiTesseract Thats whats awesome though. The Picard has made many moments or endings boring with his 'philosophy' or non-interference.
+Sokami Mashibe Picards philosophy is not boring. Its quite important to the story and to the overall message of the show.
Stanimir Georgiev Its very interesting in its own right, but its also deterred from what could have been amazing endings in certain episodes.
Sokami Mashibe Could you please give an example?
Stanimir Georgiev The episode Symbiosis about how one planet effectively enslaved another based on a lie.
I loved the view of voyager going to warp from the front
That's what she said....
@@MultiChillMusic Impressive. Most impressive.
Thanks for pointing this out. I knew to pay attention to this fact.
Awesome
Play star trek armada pc games does it justice especially when you can zoom in and out before during and after entering warp factor speed
"Go to warp on my mark." "How about the second we're free of the tractor beam Imma punch it? Cool? Cool."
Mark Shepherd? Why am I not surprised. That guy shows up in almost every Sci fi show at least once.
And this series has aged pretty well.
swinss His Dad was Data’s Grandpa in the Schizoid Man
@@ronaldcustard4636 And Ran Rura Penthe In STTUC
He was also in an episode of The X-Files. He gets around A LOT!
@@NickMichalak And Doctor Who, BSG, Dollhouse, Firefly & Warehouse 13. Maybe decent character actor who is available to play parts shot in Canada? I'm not going to try that hard to find out.
@@Whisper555 Don't forget Supernatural!
The back and forth between Ichebs parents and janeway and seven is a great conversation
I thought it was just a tiny bit.... awkward.
Damn, that jump to warpspeed held up REALLY well over time. Still looks great.
Thanks Xylar! 😊🌎💖
Loved Voyager, so many great episodes.
Nodak81 wrong
Me too...my favorite show!!!! This discovery new show is crap.. have you watch it? Phaser firing sound like farts and you can't really see who fires at who...cheap crap
really? so did you watch it?
“Those who attempt to protect everything, protect nothing” - Frederick the Great King of Prussia
King IN Prussia. There was no king OF Prussia.
@@davidkelly4210 Yes there is. King of Prussia is a very large mall located in Pennsylvania.
@@davidkelly4210 until 1772. Since then, King OF Prussia.
Cr0wnd
How's Prussia doing these days?
@@Gredddfe They learnt their lesson. Today they only protect the Rich.
This scene is probably one of the best action sequences in Star Trek. The pacing is great. The timing lines up with exterior shots. The direction here was above average. And the music is so good underneath it all and bombastic when it makes sense. And the clever tactic to flee from the borg without using conventional battle matching was so nice to watch. Love love love it.
I always loved how you can see Voyager's nacelles fold up as it goes to warp way off in the distance.
It's hard to believe this was a TV episode made in 2000. The effects are mindblowing.
I remember once that the ship suddenly jumped to warp and I thought I was a random phenomenon being created, because it looked so cool.
The effects are done by Industrial Light and Magic, the same studio responsible for Star Wars.
You make it sound like the year 2000 was the Dark Ages.
Wait this was 2000? I wouldve thought it was late 80's/early 90's. Toy story was already out at this point. I guess high production cost tv shows are a recent thing
Watching this in 2021...I'm like woa ..wtf .. and what CGI exists to craft 7 of 9...she is stunning .. oh wait...that is just being blessed. .
Janeway may not have done the "right" or "moral" thing here; and that annoys a lot of you. Here we are nearly 20 years after this episode was made discussing the right and wrong of the issues presented to us. In this 4 minute clip, this is Star Trek - makes you think, makes you talk and makes you disagree with one another.
It was a great show- very underrated. Also Captains making tough decisions is far more interesting than always making obvious decisions. Janeway herself has plenty of flaws.
She obviously didn't follow the prime directive
Still.... as entertaining and thought-provoking as it was... I'm literally blown away that we (a Starfleet crew) just handed an entire civilization, to the Borg.
I can't see Picard or Sisko doing the same, in such a situation.
Makes more sense to me, to help or reinforce the populations ability to defend itself. Create a society where individuals would be willing to sacrifice on behalf of the population, and literally buy civilization enough time to defend itself. Voyager could have helped by sharing technology with them. Technology that they could in-turn perfect over time, and one-day create a truly sustainable defense... so that sacrifices would no longer be necessary.
+x Jokerz The Prime Directive is not just a set of rules; it is a philosophy ... and a very correct one. History has proven again and again that whenever mankind interferes with a less developed civilization, no matter how well intentioned that interference may be, the results are invariably disastrous.
JLP
less of mankind and more of you don't hand a gun to a caveman and expect him to hunt more efficiently than before.
For an old TV show that was a really nice piece of CGI
+LukeRM But a massive violation of the Prime Directive!^^
+GeorgeGordonNCA Actually the Prime Directive wasn't violated. You can bypass the Prime Directive if there was a friend in need. Since Icheb was sort of a friend, the captain did nothing wrong.
+Jade2016 Incorrect. You can violate the Prime Directive in service of the Omega Protocol or to save the Federation. For a friend, no. That's not a viable reason.
+Jade2016 You can violate the Prime Directive -- for your pals? Do you even know how ethically flimsy that sounds?
+GeorgeGordonNCA Is it a violation? They brought the boy to his home world for Icheb's benefit. Then they were lied to. If they had know Icheb would be used as Borg bait, they wouldn't have delivered him. So is being lied to and tricked and then remedying that really breaking the Prime Directive?
This, and many scenes like it is why Voyager was very cool. Janeway was never afraid of violence or the threat of death. Courage under fire IS grace.
She was reckless though.
Then again she was adept at hand to hand combat; there's that.
@@sheldonscott4037 So many times though she was held by someone else and didn't even resist.
Don’t forget the time she actually threatened death (or some alien personification of it)
one of the coolest escape warp sequences.
"The needs of the many outweighs the needs of the few. "
I really effing wish people would stop misinterpreting that line. Spock chose to sacrifice *himself* ; Spock did NOT force someone else to sacrifice themselves.
"...or the one."
@@bra-balllegend3940 Thank you.
It stands apart from the context in which Spock was using it, thats why people still use it. You don't seem to understand that.
@@Damaged7 It is abused.
Yep, Spock sacrificed himself to save the Enterprise against Khan. He was brought back because simply put "The needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many" as Kirk put it.
The Voyager crew was family. Once someone becomes part of that family they will ride into the jaws of death for them.
They didn’t leave anyone behind. Loyal to the end.
Even if it meant violating the Prime Directive or spitting in the face of Spock's iconic "needs of the many" line.
Even so, their methods stuck with Janeway, to the point her future self pulled off the same trick a hell of a lot more successfully.
That was a hell of a jump to warp.
I guess Tom told the ship to jump to warp without the nacelles shifting position first like they usually do.
I know, more like something out of the Abrams films or DSC.
No, the Nacelles went up, you couldn't see it because of the angle the ship was on.
Joe Gibson then how do u know? You'd think Tom Paris would have done that before activating warp to save time. I'll look again at the vid
danwat1234 thr nacelle angles were to protect the fabric of space. Remember that episode in next generation where warp drive was damaging space . So the amgled nacelles was the first solution. Then later on they supposedly figured out to fix the damage of warp drive. Blah blah lol
I'm so pissed off with Icheb's fate. He did not deserve this.
You mean the way he was killed in the new series?
@@spawner2865 yes
@@jubed Yeah I understand.
Picard is not Canon. It's officially set in the trademark Prime universe created by Bad Robot.
@@vegetta00 Works for me, Star Trek Online in my opinion is the real Prime Universe. Sure, Romulus still get destroyed but it still feels like Star Trek to me.
Message of this episode: family can be worse than enemies
Maybe because Ichebs parents were brother and sister.
This show was brilliant for its time. And it was the first show that had CGI effects which I thought was pretty cool. I loved how headstrong Janeway was. This conversation was very interesting I thought. And you’ve gotta love Tom Paris’ driving skills for that fast warp in the end!!!
For its time?!?
It still is!
If anything I have to admire Seven's inguenity in such a life and death situation'/!!!
Driving skills? He pushed a button. No asteroids, ships, or anything else to dodge.
When Icheb's parents described their plan for him, even Tuvok looked perturbed.
That's the thing with Tuvok, I think Tuvok was pissed even though as a vulcan, he doesn't show emotions, BUT if it was Spock, Spock would have gone apeshit on them like he did with Valeris in Undiscovered Country.
@@GenGamesUniverse But what choice did they have?? The future of their entire world was at stake. If we had to sacrifice one person to save all of Earth would we do it??
The civilisation of cowards, and of those who sacrifice their young under false premises, does not deserve to exist. The moral of this story is that this civilisation is already dead, albeit they think ‘they are alive’.
@@zvonimirtosic6171 Well Spock would disagree with you. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" Sacrificing one for the benefit of possible billions is not even close to being brutal. Humans die EVERY DAY by the dozens and nobody blinks an eye so spare me your righteousness. And they're one of the VERY FEW species that have a very effective method of completely wiping out one of the most dangerous threats in the known universe completely and utterly.
@@picallo1 All of you "kill one to save a zillion" advocates need to STOP twisting Spock's words. He made a choice to sacrifice himself; he did *NOT* push for someone else to be killed in his place.
And yet Janeway returns from the future to infect the queen using the same knowledge she gained from them. To get Voyager home. I call that a fare trade.
She willingly gave herself for that plan though, she didn't weaponize someone else who wasn't willing.
By her actions, she essentially erased whole families from the timeline to save a dozen of her crewmembers and her conscience.
eXcommunicate1979 to be fair plenty of captains have done the same thing and if it was much of a problem the time police would have stepped in, Picard has done it, Sisko has done it, hel
l about the only captain not to do it was Archer hilariously enough.
Sure, but I was responding to the notion that she was somehow selfless or something in her actions.
"Fair Trade"
Love that getaway scene
The music and sound effects whenever they encounter the Borg is superb
After Icheb died on the Star Trek Picard, I will never look at the Borg episodes of Voyager the same way again. :-(
I love the classic David Bell variants on this episode scene though ;-)
Discovery and Picard are both trash and not real Star Trek, I do not consider them canon.
Tarbasch
I partially agree with you. Discovery is not star trek, but Picard is a bit star trek.
wtf man spoilers
@@tarb1320 Hate to tell you this, but whether or not you consider them canon is irrelevant. They are.
Jeff Jefferson Yep, totally agree.
I guess resistance isn't futile after all.
you are among those who apply the law without understanding the spirit of the law.
Janeway defends individuality and the person who is reduced to be an object, to reach the point of being used to achieve an end. so the bad spirit of "any means are good"
Janeway teaches them that their way is not the right one. thereby she interrupting their act.
an act that is unhealthy in itself especially when there is another method more respectful of their life and that of their child.
this civilization, in its methods, did not imagine that one of their child could be rescued, as we see in this show, and that the child would be brought back to them.
the fact that he uses this child out of pure opportunism proves their dishonesty.
they saw well that the crew of the voyager, were good people, who brought back to them their child, for care and kindness. no to be used & sacrify. they should not have used their own child, but take advantage of this chance to keep up with them. they are bad parents.
what is the point of saving a civilization if people have bad behavior towards their own child?
the crew of the voyager, took care of these children. the crew took their time and made efforts to bring them back to their families. one of these children is then sacrificed. how could parents imagine that their cold intention was going to be allowed ?
by strangers who were already involved in the case, because the responsibility they have about these children !!
the prime directive can not be applied blindly. it's a code of conduct but not a dictatorship.
@987643543 39256645
This isn't anywhere near as bad as "Flesh and Blood" where she destroys the defenses of Hirogen vessels, effectively sentencing their crews to death by holograms, that originated from Voyager. She effectively butchered a bunch of sentient beings because "MUH MALFUNCTIONING HOLOGRAMS HAVE FEELS TOO....and they're more important than real lives".
@987643543 39256645 yep and she basically did the same in the pilot which is literally why they were flung so far across the galaxy in the first place. quite inconvenient when federation warp technology was such a joke at the time.
most people don't know that most of tng takes place in a smallass little area in the galaxy. something like 100-200 l.y. x 100-200 l.y. this region contains klingon/romulan/cardassian/ferangi/etc. empires and tons of uncharted space.
even warp 9 is slow af
even warp 9.9 would take almost two days to get you from sol to the nearest star system.
@@JAnx01
and she was right to help the holograms and twist the knife in the Hirogen, after trying to help them and everybody else by giving them the holodeck tech.
@@JFrazer4303
Now she wasn't. Those holograms were designed for target practice. They were devious, lethal and in the end, they ended up shut down anyway. Janeway should be trialed for butchering dozens of Hirogen for no reason.
Voyager was one of my favourite series, but what made it less than TNG for me was the fear they removed from the Borg.
The Borg was the perfect nemesis; utterly terrifying, indestructible, emotionless and bell bent on total domination. Just to escape them took every ounce of intelligence, determination and technology at the crews' disposal.
Then Voyager started destroying them almost at will. The Borg from TNG were horrifying.
Borg could never adapt to plot armor.
Well, that and Tom Paris, and the fact that Janeway's will bent the laws of physics. Harry Kim and the Doctor were the only redeeming characters aboard Voyager.
@@th3teacher705 💯💯
I actually think the thing that made voyager so hard to defeat (and also why the borg queen was so intrigued by Janeway) was that Captain Janeway sometimes has the demeanor of a borg queen. Cold, calculating, ruthless, and opportunistic
@@yevgenydodzin9849 Right, because Sisko wasn't all that and more.
What made Voyager unique was plot armour thicker than the writers' lob on for 7of9 🤣
I've always liked this scene. Good CGI for the time and I appreciated Janeway's empathy for Icheb's parents even though she refused to go along with their plan
You are supposed to feel sorry or bad for them. But honestly if their virus is strong enough to knock out a Borg vessel. Then why not use all their transports and infect their adults to have them be assimilated, send them on multiple vectors away from their planet but NEAR the conduit, and in intervals and get assimilated. I will admit their strategy if it can be called that is to use the maturation chambers to infect more ships.. but honestly it feels unlikely that one vessel can start a pandemic given how quick the borg are in sterilizing threats or compromised cubes. Honestly taking out several cubes in a coordinated volley and then hunkering down when more cubes come to see what’s going on. Wait a year or two to not have that conduit be flagged and not used and try again feels like a better strategy to put a dent in the borg.
Anyway, you are supposed to feel bad for them but Janeway went with Children are not implements of war full stop I feel bad for you but we brought you back the kid which we see as family and you yeet him back to Borg space to be painfully assimilated and his identity buried by the weight of the collective. Yea I feel sorry but the kid is family.
Loved whenever the Voyager crew went thug life on their enemies.
1:57 Look how the whole bridge gets darker when they go to red alert
I can't think of a logical in-universe reason why that would happen but it definitely makes dangerous situations more dramatic and tense
@@Sasha-sj4xe My guess is that by darkening the room, the lighting from the consoles becomes even more visible, making it easier to see the controls you are operating.
Reduce power to the lighting and transfer that extra power to shields and weapons.
@@jdb2002 it's a starship not a car
@@kfireven Yes, however they do "transfer power" quite often. It's a very common occurrence. Even seeing at least two battles involving the ships tells you that.
Janeway: Prevents sacrificing a humanoid life to deliver a deadly pathogen to the Borg.
Also Janeway: Sacrifices own life to deliver a deadly pathogen to the Borg.
She never asks of others what she can do herself.
That was her decision, though. Icheb was being used.
It's heroic to sacrifice yourself for the greater good. It's villainous to sacrifice others to save yourself.
Sacrifices the whole crew for the attempt to prevent the sacrifice (get him on board first, has not even a freaking idea how him and hers get away of the Borg)
What's ironic is that the pathogen future Janeway used was from icheb. He had one scene in the finale at the beginning and we never saw him after that yet he provided the means. I'm sure there was a scene cut or never shot where he comes back into play for their plan. Janeway shows up in the shuttle bay with the hypo spray but we never saw where she got it, for all we know there was a scene where perhaps Icheb and seven were talking about her future and Janeway calls him or both of them to sickbay but we don't know what for.
Voyager! Loved this series!
STAR TREK VOYAGER BORG EPISODES WERE THE BEST AND MY FAVORITES
This was one of the most AWESOME & HAIR-RAISING moments of the entire series! And there were many. I also absolutely love the intense theme music used in it’s scoring!
The great David Bell.
Resistance is futile.............perhaps not.
Lol xD
They could have asked someone with a terminal illness or very old to volunteer to be genetically altered and volunteer to be on that ship to infect the Borg. They used a child without consent. The children were on Voyager long enough to be part of their community so I'm not sure Janeway rescuing him was a violation of prime directive. They did destroy the sphere which should lead the Borg to think twice about traveling to this sector.
Naw, destroying a sphere is a sure sign there might be a civilization that has cool tech for the Borg to assimilate. That whole area is going to be searched looking for what did it
I'm not a big fan of action, but I love the second half of this scene, after Tuvok starts counting down. It's so tense.
a gutsy move by Janeway, she's almost as suicidal as captain sisko :)
Or Captain Kirk
or Commander Sheppard
It's only a show....... ha ha
Sisko isn't suicidal. He knows he's god godlike aliens defending his life at all times.
That's one of the best shots of voyager in the entire series!
I dont know why but I absolutely love the sound of the Borg's tractor beam lol
The Voyager crew should make a silver screen movie
I'm going to have to rewatch the series to catch the ones I missed.
Good stuff.
Can they be watched for free somewhere in tbe US? (Binged)
@@levondarratt787 not sure about free, one of the commercial streams could be had for a month to binge...even on free trial...
@@VonSpud what channel or website tho?
@@levondarratt787 Google says Netflix has Voyager until September 30th.
@@VonSpud nice..thanks
Voyager was my favorite of all the Treks.
Awesome Greg.
Mine too. Tied with Deep Space Nine.
Chills! This is great Star Trek.
"By sacrificing Icheb's future!"
Yeah, cause it's gonna be a rosy one. -_-
I don't have a problem with her decision either. Janeway did what she could for her crew at the time and did the best she could in the DQ. What I wished they could have done to maybe improve the show was maybe have Voyager trade with allies weekly for supplies or something like that? But this show was fantastic and a great Star Trek show and, in my book, my favorite series besides TOS. And to hear that people are STILL arguing over 20 years later about the rights and wrongs of Voyager-speaks volumes in my book!
I had my issues with the way some of the characters were written but overall I really enjoyed the show.
That last few seconds is some of the best Star Trek cgi ever
this is the star trek i want to watch over and over again.
Star Trek Voyager has more dominant approach to traveling the universe, Janeway is a captain who seems less uptight then Picard of next generation.
She is not afraid to break protocols and be offesnive if need be, i felt Next Generation which was great however lacked some aggression manly due to the picard character. Voyager feels more authentic.
TNG was happening mostly within the "safe and familiar" Alpha quadrant, with Starfleet support rarely very far away. Janeway is stranded 70 000 lightyears away from home, with no support available whatsoever. She can't afford to play by the book. I'm sure Picard would do the same in her situation.
WilfredIvanhoe somehow i feel that would not be the case.
Janeway character was cast to a lady who needed to prove herself to command the newest vessel at the time, she could not be shown as weak.
that is not authentic at all... who would risk his life so often? If it would not be an American movie they would all be dead assimilated etc....
skovecka that is true, but i do love next gen but voyager is more intensive.
+xc5647321 xc5647321 what episode was that? Equinox? I think that should have been more in line with what happened to Voyager. Them hitting the reset button for the next week got dull.
I want my very own Holodeck !
And then they killed icheb off unceremoniously in star trek picard
Oh my goodness. I don’t watch Picard but I hadn’t heard that.
I think they only killed him off because most in the industry don’t like the original actor. It’s petty.
The best star trek series there ever was .. Writing and acting top notch!
The best? You mean not TNG or DS9?
I agree
Crowley played Icheb's fathern no wonder lol
jj jack Yep.
jj jack nice supernatural reference. 😂
Gabriel Fields I still wonder how Dean Winchester would have dealt with Karen Ferris is ds9's "Valiant". 😂
jimbojackson2
"you're not in command, bitch." 😂😂😂😂😂😂
The difference is, Crowley actually cared for his own son.
Cool. So the Borg sphere will regenerate and go and attack the planet once more. Good job Janeway?
Ah, the humanoids on that planet kinda look like us so they won't be...... missed much.
Well, they would have anyway, right? The Icheb bomb was a failure the first time. Why did his parents think it would succeed on the second?
Then one of them should have volunteered.
One problem at a time.
The planet won't get assimilated, they "appear" primitive, The Borg don't go after primitive civilisations, nothing worth assimilating.
Wow, I love the sheer fury dripping from Janeway and Seven's voices during that exchange. Pure Mama Bear energy from both of them. you can tell it's taking Janeway everything she can to not blast Icheb's so-called parents to oblivion. They say never mess with Janeway in any circumstance, but heaven help you if you awaken her primal maternal protection instincts!
the coolest warpjump i ever seen thumbs up for that xD
RIP Icheb!
This is probably the single best battle Voyager had with the borg in the whole series..the borg were not made to look like weaklings here which is something Voyager writers did to them time and time again....Voyager's weapons had no impact on the sphere and the only reason they got away was because of good planning and excellent timing...and more than a little luck. Kudo's to the writers of this episode, it's a shame Voyager didn't have more moments like this one....it could have been a great series.
scooter1977 Erm, I don't think it really showed Borg as weaklings. Voyager fought Borg Cubes a few time, but with exception of End game, the Cube is always malfunctioning/Voyager has assistance. Again, with exception of End game, the only Borg vessel that Voyager destroyed In an one on one engagement is the Borg probe, which is a comparable vessel to voyager to start up.
Er, no. And I'd like to challenge this fashionable (and misguided) narrative. The Borg being all-powerful, unassailable, monolithic, impervious to any challenges made them dull and one-dimensional. Ain'tcha ever heard of David and Goliath? Everyone loves the small fry up against the big fish. And Janeway continuously snapping at their heels, f*8king them over every which way she can - to her eventual triumph - was one of the enduring pleasures of his series. You need to get that...
I listen this 5 times in row , thank , Voyager is my favorite
The absolute confidence of Janeway when she says 'I'm listening'!
Ahhh Janeway! A great Captain of a fantastic ship!!!!
Icheb was a member of Voyager's crew and it wasn't right what Icheb's parents did to him. They left him to be assimilated again. If Voyager hadn't interfered then they would have taken him. The Prime Directive was broken but it wasn't Voyager that brought the borg sphere there. It was the species itself. However I dont' think the sphere would bother the planet. It's too primitive, not to mention the Borg don't hold grudges so they wouldn't go after the planet out of spite.
+KasaiWolf07
That might not be true. I'm no expert on Star Trek, but at the very least, there's a repeatable mission in Star Trek Online that involves you and any nearby ships (regardless of faction) working together to stop a Borg fleet from reaching and assimilating an underdeveloped planet.
Think about it, what better target for the Borg to assimilate, than an underdeveloped planet that doesn't even have ships or weapons that would be effective at fighting them off? An underdeveloped planet would be a treasure trove of new drones for the Borg.
The prime directive refuses contact with under developed species because they gave a lot of technology to the Klingons and that turned into war for years. Just like when we give weapons to people in the middle east. The values are not shared so they don't use the technology/weapons as was intended. it just enables them to spread their violence. If were in the same place those people were in and fighting to survive the borg, we might have done the same thing just to save us and would not like having someone else telling us that we can't protect ourselves and doom us to the borg.
The Borg don't care about a species' defenses, they'd attack the most heavily defended of planets unless they outright knew they couldn't win. In fact, defenses that might hold them off would be a bigger lure. And you're right, once their population grew the Borg would attack again. The whole point in the ep was that the reason the Borg had been holding off was that their last few attacks had left them decimated, so they would wait until the population/technology grew back again
Yep, the Borg was tech-harvesting them.
"Think about it, what better target for the Borg to assimilate, than an underdeveloped planet..."
You'd think so, but the Borg themselves do not actually think this way. Usually. The Borg typically prefer to assimilate only peoples they think will contribute to the collective or the advancement of the collective. Seven explicitly mentions the Kazon as an example of a race that does not have to fear the Borg because the Borg find them utterly unworthy of assimilation.
The only reason I personally can think of why the Borg might break this rule is to recoup major losses, for example, to recover from the ludicrous loss of drones suffered in the war with 8472. That's only speculation, though. All we know for sure is under normal circumstances, the Borg completely ignore underdeveloped races.
Janeway is one of my favourite Captains because she was pragmatic. She was Starfleet, and tried her best to uphold the ideals, but she also realised the Voyager was out there on its own and trying to survive. Sometimes that meant doing the unpopular thing. Same with Seven of Nine. It wasn’t protocol to essentially adopt her and make her a member of the crew, but Janeway knew how valuable she could be to them.
1:41 And what a bright future it was! Good thing you gave it back to him.
'“What is the life of one bastard boy against an entire kingdom?“
“Everything,” said Davos, softly.'
To all of you saying Janeway violated the prime directive here and gave into her emotions to save a "child", how do you feel about Picard violating the Prime Directive to rescue Wesley from the Edo in the episode "Justice"? Both Wesley and Icheb serve in a capacity that wouldn't hurt the ship if they were lost. Picard felt that the laws of the Edo were unjust, and while he might have struggled the the decision, he violated the Prime Directive to save a non-essential member of the crew.
+Thom Janning The Edo weren't facing possible assimilation, genocide, geological calamity, or other extinction threat. Hatred of Wesley Crusher aside (as well as Roddenberry's idea of making him a "wunderkind"), I'd respectfully submit that Picard's violation of the Prime Directive in "Justice" didn't have nearly as disastrous potential consequences than this video's example did.
+MysticDestroyer13 Except that in "Justice" the Edo were being manipulated by their "God" who explained as much to the Enterprise that interference would throw the Edo into chaos, results of which no one could calculate with certainty.
But to the original point, it became not a violation because of the aforementioned manipulation. Because another force acted on the people, it became okay for the crew to take a stand.
+Thom Janning What people keep forgetting is that despite the fact that we're talking about humans a few centuries in the future, we're still talking about humans, and as long as we retain emotions as part of our brain chemistry, these types of emotionally charged decisions are pretty much unavoidable.
The Prime Directive serves as a relatively strict guideline on how members of Starfleet should interact with relatively primitive species.
Since, as I mentioned, Starfleet is primarily comprised of humans, (the same humans as us, as the writing reflects humans as we relate to them, rather than an imagining of humans who have evolved intellectually from us as they more likely will), most situations where the Prime Directive is to be considered will involve a human. So emotions will always play a potential role in the decisions these Starfleet captains make.
Furthermore, I would be surprised if well known and experienced Starfleet captains such as Picard and Janeway weren't given a fair amount of leeway to use their own discretion.
Picard was just as wrong as Janeway. It was his professional carelessness to put a non crew member not even trained in the basic protocols in a First Contact situation. Wesley should never have been on the planet in the first place.
@@fmlazar Imagine being a crewmember who spent years in training and dedicated themselves on prior tours of duties to get an assignment on the Enterprise, finally getting a chance to be on an away mission only told, "nope, you're not going. some untrained kid the captain picked is taking your place"
The CGI in the latter seasons of DS9 and VOY still hold up even better than recent shows like DIS and PIC
Would have loved to see the Voyager franchise do a movie or two.
This episode broke my heart ... poor Icheb ❤ not as much as he broke my heart in Picard obvs 😭
Janeway saved a member of her crew. A crew that ex-drones included, by this point, were part of her family. Janeway is not in the wrong Icheb's despicable parents are for turning their innocent son into a bioweapon.
Societies have sent their children to fight since the beginning. This is no different. They fought with the only weapon at their disposal. The alternative was the loss of their society. Janeway was wrong and she sucked
@@ksbs2036 Infecting Icheb with a virus and sending him to get assimilated didn't work cos the Borg would cut the infected cube off from the collective, just like they did the first time (pisses me off that Janeway doesn't tell them this). One cube out of 1000s that they have. Essentially an irrelevance for the Borg. The Brunali are sending him to die for nothing. Janeway was right, and Icheb's parents sucked.
I still rewatch some episodes
She is my second-favorite spaceship captain ever and I haven't seen this whole episode or anything but I'm really not sure if I fully support all the details of her spaceship-captaining over the course of these four minutes, I really don't know.
One of my favorite sf-series. Hot Seven of Nine made it even better.......
One of my favorite Voyager scenes. Although, they could've performed the Picard maneuver and got him out of there before the sphere emerged. That would've been cool too
3:58 is one of the best rubber band snaps to warp speed from the entire TNG-DS9-VOY era.
Admiral Janeway, "Maybe it was something you assimilated."
Unfortunately, that day wasn't at this earlier time.
I like all Star Trek series. the best was the next Generation but I love most of Voyager.
In Unimatrix 01 there is a Borg Queen cursing Janeway.
Holy cow that's Mark Shepard. It's so weird seeing Voyager again and recognizing people that are now famous for different things.
That music when the sphere appears is legendary
All that effort to rescue him... just so he could get tastelessly vivisected to death two decades later.
Well, they didn't know that and couldn't predict it; the only far-flung future he was ever glimpsed in, during all of Voyager's temporal misadventures, he was alive and well, alongside adult Naomi.
@@xheralt I'm just salty and hateful about it. Picard and Disco will never be a part of my canon. Trek died with Enterprise.
They did everything they could to save him and get him to the alpha quadrant only to have them butchered buy some vulture. Rip Icheb
Janeway was able to think faster on her feet than Kirk ever was.
This was the only Star Trek I watched from start to finish
Then Icheb is later carved up for Borg parts and forced to be mercy killed in the Beta Quadrant in the series Star Trek Picard.
I still can't believe they did that. Terrible.
@@he-manworld6140 it was funny as hell
Flash forward years later he's butchered for his implants & mercy killed by seven
You know for such an advanced race, the Borg sure to announce their arrival far in advance.
Holy Hell! They were able to get through that maneuver without shedding a tear! How did they manage?!
Now that Icheb is dead, this is even more of a messed up story. I wish we saw more of his starfleet career.
Considering that happens to Icheb later--maybe they should have left him to wreak havoc on the Borg.
@Kiss my axe Stuff...happens on "Picard." Won't spoil it if you plan on watching the show.
@Kiss my axe SPOILER WARNING----------Seven of Nine is introduced in the series on a rescue mission to save a former Borg drone being tortured brutally (specifically getting his eye torn out). When she gets to him it's revealed it's Icheb and he dies in her arms. :, (
@Kiss my axe That scene in particular was pretty disturbing, however the series as a whole was well done (even though it does stray away from traditional Trek storytelling). Definitely can't wait for the second season!
"One problem at a time."
I say this ALL the time to myself and others.