Star Trek Voyager: Ex Post Facto Battle Edit
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- Star Trek Voyager - Season 1, Episode 8. Ex Post Facto Battle scene edit. And it doesn't hurt to see some of it in slow motion at the end, with more bass added. :)
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You can tell this is early Voyager; they actually cared to put the effort in to recover one of their "limited" shuttles.
Limitless supply of shuttles you mean.
To be fair, they were able to rebuild them. Sadly no Start Trek ever showed the industrial replicators. Would have been nice to watch them build something from scratch.
@@peterkapunkt6783 they did definitely fix the industrial replicator: we can see an indirect proof of it. Their projectile ammo.
@@ДмитрийКаганер Delta flyer would be the other main example
@@peterkapunkt6783 we did see them build the flyer. They did some stories early on about getting supplies. Would have been nice if they kept that up. Even had damage that lasted more than an episode. But the studio mandated that shows should be made to be shown in any order, they didn’t want arcs on UPN.
Also B'Elanna's eyebrows
I miss those days. All this new Star Trek lately just isn't even close to the same.
Nothing beyond Enterprise is cannon. Rick Berman always tried to stay true to gene roddenberry's original vision.
Yeah. All of Kurtzman's stuff (STD, Strange New Worlds, Picard, and Lower Decks) is pretty much all flash and 'member berries, with none of the stuff that made classic Star Trek great. The Orville is more Trek-like than anything modern.
I've always loved phasers in 1990s Star Trek: the sounds, the power, the way they arc along the emitters.
and so different! every other scifi show was using lasershots like in starwars
I like the thud sound they had, really did seem like the other ship was being hit. Even though sound in space doesn't seem real, it's nice to have in Star Trek.
Except for the slow like molasses firing arch
Me too!! So much better than discovery which is like a firework display.
Darren Peet Discovery? Still a US spacecraft to me. As far as I‘m concerned there’s NO Trek show under that name. It’s an abomination. Not ST
All the old tricks become new again! I love that.
It would be better if it wasn't what the writers convinced themselves was true about Voyager in general.
Tucheh Stone
At least in the Delta Quadrant.
The phasers sound amazing when they have an explosion behind them gives them more of a impact like they actually do something
I agree, it's a stark contrast to the neutered sound of the "pew pew gun" pulsed phasers that the JJ-verse Enterprise had.
"Not to belittle Maquis tactics Commander but this is a very old trick."
Not sure why I like that line so much.
'Engage Impulse engines!'
Mate, you're at the helm! You engage the impulse engines.
Except he told B'elanna to cut engines, so he told her to engage them again.
Even though telling Delta Quadrant species that you’re Federation isn’t as striking, it still commands respect saying that name with dignity and pride when you are telling them who you are.
I like that they had a seat for Neelix
I love how they look through the view screen seeing what we the audience see, yet it's literally nothing they are staring at. Even if they have some camera angles, it would never give them the whole picture.
She is one of my all time favorite captains.
She’s awesome
Haven’t been that many
Paul Davis She’s the best!!!
She is the best captain and no one can change my mind.
Mine too.
Just because Voyager appeared disabled didn't mean its weapons were offline. The aliens should have realized this regardless of whether or not they recognized the trick.
Janeway could sure stare down the barrel of any enemy ship that came her way. No fear!
and then the writers constantly nerf their ability to think outside the box...such as when the Voth take Voyager into their city ship and take control of the computer....can't have computer-controlled self destruct capability but if they'd been thinking outside the box they'd've realized there's more than one way to skin a cat...or in this case scuttle a ship and probably take the city ship with it or at least blow a sizable hole in it....and that way is by using the fact that the sub-light impulse engines are fueled by nuclear reactors...just manually gain entry to the impulse control room and manually start removing the control rods for the nuclear fusion reactors one by one....the reactors will start running hotter and hotter until finally they overload and detonate with however many megatons equivalent to atomic bomb power....they also had no projectile weaponry as a back up in case the enemy could erect a dampening field that rendered their energy weapons inoperative...would've been a little messier perhaps (I imagine bits of pseudo-reptile gore would've been a pain in the backside to clean up) but that would've done the job of preventing being boarded I think....and with the threat of a thermonuclear detonation like I described above hanging over their heads like a sort of sword of Damocles I imagine the Voth theocrats could've been like "fine...we exile Gegen and his supporters to your vessel...leave us!"...would've been a more interesting ending to that ep I think
@@josephamendolea3431 haha
@@josephamendolea3431 Nuclear Fusion reactors would not be able to be put in a runaway mode the way that some types of fission reactors can be.
Plot armor
She was severely mentally ill. Crazy. How many of her crew did she get killed ? I'm amazed how they wrote her character.
I always found it fascinating how they talk on the bridge in terms of the enemy vessel being 4000, 2000, & 1500 Kilometers away, 1500 kilometers equates to 932 miles, then they show the battle scene, and you can clearly see the enemy vessel as though it is about a 1/4 to a 1/2 mile away. I understand that seeing the enemy vessel at that distance would be no problem for Voyagers sophisticated sensors, but for our naked eyes, it should present a bit of a challenge. Just sayin.
The distance is lessened via powerful optical sensors. Object in the viewscreen are farther away than they appear.
I am also amazed that they can fit 40 tons of anything into a tiny shuttle.
Ex Post Facto. One of those classic and iconic episode names. Just like The Schozoid Man or The Lcarus Factor!
Voyager is what I grew up on, but I think all of the captains were Great. 😊🌎💖
LOL commander was like, Captain let me handle this light work
"We are superior in every way"
"Time tor Riker Antics."
Kate Mulgrew was perfectly cast as female captain.
And she was not even first choice. They started with Genevieve Bujold as Janeway. Great, that they changed their decision.
No she wasn't, worst Captain ever
@@markdyas857 troll.
@@markdyas857 She made questionable choices at times yes, and often contridicted herself episode to episode, but worst ever ? I mean lets not forget Archer was somehow allowed to be a captain
Yeah I remember that, groundbreaking.
1:42 "All the old tricks are new again" could be a subtle reference back to the TV show Buck Rogers in the 25th Century, were the same line was first used.
Imagine if Voyager was a Galaxy Class stuck in the Delta Quadrant.
They'd own it.
Unless it was of the variety refitted for war that was better armed and could run on less crew I doubt it would last long, for that type of environment it was under gunned, over sized, and would have required vastly larger amounts of supplies to maintain than intrepid class. Indeed the standard galaxy class seems to get its arse handed to it with some alarming regularity.
I think Voyager was a much more advanced ship with better shields and speed where as the Galaxy Class was kind of the glass jaw of Starfleet, a absolute unit interms of fire power but once those shields go down it tended to fold pretty quickly. Now if it was a Soverign class yeah most of the encounters Voyager wouldnt have happened as a quick scan would have shown how outmatched most ships would be as the Soverign class was the closest to an actual warship Starfleet ever got
@@TheSilverPhoenix100
yea I think the Sov wouldve solo´d the Delta Quadrant...
I feel like generally the galaxy class would have fared much better as a generational ship if it came down to that, being so much larger with significantly more room. I get the impression it has stronger weapons and decent shields compared to voyager, but galaxy class can only go to warp 9.5 I think, so that 75 year trip voyager was supposed to have could have been like a 90 year trip to a galaxy class. Galaxy class probably whoops the Kazon pretty bad, with the rest of the delta quadrant it probably would have handled them similarly as well as voyager did. I wonder if a galaxy class could handle a cloaking device easier and avoid more conflict.
Don't mess with Voyager
Looks like Voyager could take out their entire fleet. Never saw the need for those extra fancy maneuvers there.
Also seeing Uncle Phill in Star Trek is nice
It wasn't too hard to know it was him under those prosthetics and make-up, especially once you heard the voice.
Cue Tom Paris being thrown out into space
I guess throwing jazz and fighting turtles was not good enough for him ?
Ain't no captain like Janeway!
He ordered them to engage impulse engines, but he was the one at the helm.
Most likely Engineering cut the power to the engines, having control of the ship's power grid. The Helm generally only control flight trajectory and speed, meaning that all the Helmsman could do from the Helm is slow the ship to a stop, leaving the impulse engines operational, and in this case, detectable by the Numeri's sensors. In all likelihood, Engineering cut the power to the Impulse Engines to further convince the Numeri that Voyager had sustained heavy damage, as no power to a system could insinuate the Numeri landed a direct hit on Voyager, which would be detectable on sensors, and further enforcing the false narrative that Chakotay's Maquis tactic would portray.
Voyager is a beautiful ship!!!
"Your ship looks like a spoon."
Janeway was definitely a scientific explorer but not the best military leader.
indeed
I wanted to get a model of Voyager when I was younger. But the closest I ever got was a car air freshener and I don't even have that anymore.
Andrew Chapman - a handheld vacuum cleaner can fill in for Voyager
People talk about Captain Sisko's Pimp hand and how really good he played in Battle scenarios specially against eddington. But the way Janeway stared down those baddies combined with her near psychotic rage againsts the Equinox. Boy oh boy. Janeway IS that woman. Sisko had help from the Malinche and had to hard bluff eddington into surrendering. By hard bluff i mean he was really ready to poison all maquis colonies in the DMZ. And made sure eddington knew it. Did HE think he would have to? Or was he counting on one or two colonies getting figuratively nuked and expect eddington to surrender? Maybe maybe not. Eddington pushed Sisko to the find out stage and sisko jerry rigged a cripple defiant and took care of business. NOW JANEWAY??? MY GOD HER FURY IS ASTOUNDING. No backup, no starfleet, no drydock. She meets a fellow starfleet ship an unlilkely as hell scenario. A moment for love and joy. But they doublecross voyager. And they found out that is fear and despair. They turned their back on 300 years of human progress. 200 plus years of humanitarian devotion to the Federation. Of which human are leaders if not the defactor leaders of said Federation their drive, curiosity and ambition a driving force for good in the galaxy and Federation. They turned their back on those more evolved sensibilities which Picard boasts of in First Contact. To became kidnappers and torturers. A sort of soft Genocide of an innocent alien species. All of these shock Janeway. Not just being double crossed and endangering Janeway. Two sins for which alone janeway would have blown Equinox out of the stars. Add that their heinous crimes against humanity? Sentience? JANEWAY IS PISSED. Voyager is sort of like a destroyer using WW2 Naval craft types. And Equinox would be a PT-Boat. Anyway yea Equinox has a bit. But Voyager crushes. And despite the limited range of Voyager sensor suite. Janeway hunts Equinox across multiple star systems. Flushes them out of many hidey holes. And Voyager batters down Equinox defenses. Till Janeway comes through to Braxton but not until she forces a Warp Core breach on Equinox. Janeways hunt is more epic than Siskos. Downright she single handedly hunted down another starship till the little fucker blew up.
she is such an excellent tactician i forget sometimes that first and foremost she is a scientist and explorer :)
She went from blue shirt to red.
She is a starfleet captain. Thus, she is an ultimate professional. Plus, sciences branch gives her some more expertise.
blue shirt captains are rare
3:20 "This Captain Kathryn Janeway of the federation starship Voyager. You have illegally ceased one of our shuttlecraft."
*seized
Very Good Episode Thank You for the Recap ;
Back when Chakotay was interesting.
I Love the phaser barrage in this.
40 tons, thats alot of explosive.
I expect its like a small nuke.
@@0011peace it would have to be since it must be something very dense, we don't see any kind of mission pod and nothing appears to be loaded in the rear so it would have to be hidden in a storage compartment.
in space... that weights... nothing
@@0011peace One Photon would have been enough then, one of those has the destructive yeild of a Tsar Bomba which is kind of terrifying as ships carry about 100 at any time
@@TheSilverPhoenix100 Or in Voyagers case..Plot Supply of photon torpedoes :D..IF they can replicate photon torpedoes,i wonder why they didn´t do it with tricobalt warheads...If i remember correctly those are more on Quantum torpedo level^^
Seems to me that the plot armor held well on those little Numeri ships. It seems to me a ship like Voyager could destroy them quite easily.
In the play dead part of the battle they shot one of them 4 times and the other a massive 9 times!
That wouldn't be smart on Voyager's part. Even if Voyager can easily destroy a single Numeri ship on its own, it wouldn't be wise to do so unless you had very good reason. By showing mercy to the Numeri and giving them peaceful options, Voyager is basically saying: We're only your enemy if you make us one. If they had just destroyed the Numeri ships, they might decide to bring an armada to attack Voyager and then what? Voyager is completely alone in this Quadrant. They don't have any back up or any allies, so they need to carefully consider who they piss off and for what reason. By disabling the Numeri ships, instead of destroying them they're showing their good intentions and willingness to act diplomatic rather then immediately resorting to warfare, which in turn gives the Numeri more reason to return the favor, should Voyager ever need it.
With some species, like the Kazon, violence is the only answer because they aren't willing to negotiate. With a species like the Borg, running is the best answer because they can't beat them in a fight and they definitely can't negotiate with them. But with a race like the Numeri, who can be reasoned with and brought to mutual understanding, diplomacy was the best course of action.
@@Xylarxcode
Wise words!
The Voyager being managed by a crew of five during battle despite its fifteen decks. A smaller battle ship with a single cabin and lots of shields could outgun the Voyager.
@@2adamast and the entire engineering crew, and the reapair teams, not to mention security teams to counter boarders
This is just the command crew.
Are those recolored bajoran cruisers?
Nothing has been recolored.
Actually, yes. You see, before they started to use CGI for the effects, they used a handful of physical models for different Alien Spaceships, they only remodeled them a bit each time. This particular model was used as a Bajoran Freighter, but its first appearance was as a Husnock Battleship back in TNG, Season 3. Here is an interesting Article: www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/husnock.htm
I did not know that, looking back it appears you are right. Thank you for your comment. :)
G.V.Serac I never knew the Bajorans even had cruisers. I figured the cardassians would have destroyed them all.
KingreX32 c
This show did have it's moments
You're lucky I wasn't commanding one if them! 😎
I think the Delta Quadrant Spezies were lucky that the Voyager is only a Science Ship. Imagine what would happen, if a Galaxy or a Sovereign Class would've stranded there
Not really a science ship, more like a destroyer or frigate sized vessel compared to other starships of that era. (much more powerful than the Oberth class and later Nova class dedicated science starships) But yeah, if a Galaxy Class or Sovereign Class was stuck in the Delta quadrant, alot of troubles Voyager had over the years would be more easily taken care of with the heavier firepower as well as larger compliment of shuttlecraft than an Intrepid class starship.
@@djargus Ok. Memory Alpha claimed, that the Intrepid Class is a Deep Space Science Ship. The Idea of a Ship stranding in a knew and unknown Region of the Galaxy was a interesting idea imo. But there were sometimes really big logic holes. For example: The Ocampa Species. I don't think, if this Species would've been a very smart evolutionary project. ^^
the Intrepid Class is a deep space exploration vessel (the Nova class Equinox is also a science vessel but not designed for deep space), the type Sisko might have used to explore the Gamma Quadrant. The Voyager is still armed as well as a ship of its size can be, and Starfleet vessels are mostly well armed ships that can fight with the best of them; an actual science vessel would be partly crewed by civilians, such as the Oberth class which had more labs than usual.
Voyager was not really a science ship in that sense, although the adaptations made to it by the Borg Drone as well as the Astrometrics lab and the Delta Flyer made it the ideal exploration ship. The Admiral Janeway upgrades made it even more powerful and versatile.
@The Specialist Excatly my thoughts. And if there is a Captain like Picard or Sisko on the Bridge, most of the fights against the Kazon wouldn't have dealt so much damage on the ship and his crew
I love how trekkies make up their own stupid lore, Voyager was a long range vessel designed for combat performance stated on the Show in the episode the Thaw. Stop making up shit, Voyager is way more advanced,faster, and more combat oriented than a Galaxy you TNG fanboy.
Ya’ know, B’Lana is kinda pretty when she has a smirk on her face. U can see the pride of her accomplishment.
Dual attack mode? First time I've heard that on Voyager...
Sounds like the ship is supposed to split in half or something
I wondered about that too, unless it means continuously firing on both (like the computer doing more work?), versus switching back and forth?
Super s. Thanks for the upload
Cool scene
Remember Janeway don't like bullies!
Low orbit, high orbit? What are they orbiting?
An orbit.
Janeway should have cut one of those ships in half and moved along.
Jekotay “There’s an old trick we used on the reservations” 😂
Nice upload.
Thank you very much. :)
'Engage impulse engines.'
Why did he have to announce that as if he was commanding them to do it? He was at the helm. That was his role.
He also has to report to the Captain everything he does
Voy and ds9 were the best
what sucked, is they always shoot to disable. No matter what the enemy has done, even killing crew, it's always a walk away at the end.
I wish I can see full shows of VOYAGER!
It is available on Netflix if you have it.
Get the DVD boxes and you certainly can! Should not be too hard!
Rusty S it’s on Netflix
It's also available on Amazon prime if you have that.
It's on every night at 10pm central time on h&I
If they could beam people out, why not just beam in a photon torpedo?
Two possible reasons:
1.) They didn't want to become involved in the war. Defending themselves by disabling attacking ships is one thing, destroying a vessel would be another.
2.) This was still back when they were playing with limited supplies as a plot point (before someone realized how that idea didn't really work).
That's how voyager should have hammered the vadwar quick an its over
Buddy Addis the vaadwar were about 39 ships and voyager was firing phasers all over plus trying to ascend into orbit to go to warp!!
@@amc6508 wouldn't've happened if the Turei weren't being such dickheads themselves and wouldn't let Voyager use the Underspace...I'm sure if they weren't being dicks they could've worked out some kind of trade for usage of the Underspace to get home...but i guess the series would've been short-lived had that happened
They would know they are still dangerous and keep firing because there ship would detect the phaser lock
There is nothing new under the 🌞
voyager is bigger, more heavily armed and armored. why would they need to resort to tricks?
because this was a stupid show.
Why put your own crew and ship at risk when you don't have to?
Good job I wasnt the Captain of a starship trapped in the Delta quadrant! For a start I would have wiped out the Kazon!
0:33
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3:40 40 tons? lol
She sent them prepared for the worst! Loved his face when she told him.
That compound must be incredibly dense because it looked like there was nothing in the shuttle. Where could they put 40 tons of the stuff unless if it wasn't?
Maybe it is the expression for 'Megatons' ( megatons is the explosion force)
Might be Janeway's version of the Corbomite maneuver...
4:00 slight hint of the TNG theme?
A little hint, like a sip of picard's bath water
Pretty much every species in the delta quadrant has shit technology (with the exception of 8472, hirogen and Borg)
And the Borg
Spacegoat92 voyager uses lots of recolored ships such as the numiri that's as u say a recolored bajoran cruiser, also in the episode in season 7 the steakth ship that Harry Kim takes charge of is a recolored version of chakotays maqui ship
delta quadrant, seems to have more advanced tech than alpha. KAZON is an exception, since they just stole the tech from the trabe, and the borg finds them unworthy. Krenim, devore, turei, voth, were very advanced compared to voyager, among numerous species.
lolaz wabby I know but your bog standard species is less advanced than voyager like the talaxians, Kazon, vadwar, numiri etc, but I do agree that the voth, krenim, Borg etc are advanced
lolaz wabby I don’t think the Kremim were ever more advanced than Voyager during the two Year of Hell timelines save possibly for the Timeship itself. Voyager managed to survive both timelines despite several months of Krenim torpedoes going through their shields, and it took relatively short period after finding the right frequency for Voyager to develop an effective defense.
I got to say, that 2-parter did show what a resilient ship she truly is.
Who you shootin at mofo?
Voyager was the last star trek I ever watched, captain janeway was a big favourite as was Tim Russ as Tuvok.
Although janeway played a powerful female lead, it was never done to denigrate men, she held a wonderful vulnerable but strong personality, the series seemed to end abruptly which was a little disappointing.
Since then everything became so woke it wasn't worth watching anymore, like star wars I just gave up on it.
I wish you could put your finger on just exactly when Voyager knew they could just put the show on autopilot and not worry about making a quality show. Maybe when 7:of. 9 came on with skin tight uniforms. Maybe when they stopped using Nelix as a scout and made him the fool cook and to poke at Touvak. Both characters could be killed off any nobody cared. The whole star fleet vs Makee never went anywhere, and okie somebody said, you never felt they were abandoned in the gamma quadrant with unlimited shuttle crafts
Boy Voyager actually disabled a couple small ships .. Amazing