“Harry, in the middle of this VERY hostile environment, you throw all of your attention into operating this computer console. Tuvok and I will keep exploring, leaving you all alone and not covered…” 🤦♂️
I remember being a teenager and I saw the promo. It had a Borg cube on the screen approaching and they said their normal tag line. My first reaction was, “oh looks like the voyager crew will have to deal with the Borg.” Then they said “We are the Borg, you will be assimilated. Resistance is…” And the Borg cube exploded. I was in total shock. There has NEVER been a bigger threat than the Borg by that time…Maybe the dominion but I wasn’t watching DS9 at the time. I couldn’t believe that an unseen enemy could do that to the Borg. Still a great core memory!
Any search and rescue team knows to always work in pairs - meaning the away team should be 4 or 8 people (if 1 gets injured, 1 stays with the injured and the team is still tactically-effective).
I was about to comment on the same thing. Budget for this episode must have been tight. No room for throw away security team members. And even when they teleported in, they weren't in a true 360 degree tactical firing position. All three guys facing the same way and nobody in a firing position. They literally come across as actors posing for a military poster. LOL
@@superdave8248 plus, they were not in space suits, or even basic hazsuits. Just wondering around a damaged spaceship, venting all sorts of gases and having malfunctioning Borg all over. Where are the combat, amoured spacesuits? And it does break the story a little, but wouldn't drones of some sort be much safer to send in first, or at least alongside the biologicals.
I love how Star Fleet is supposed to be completely professional, but Harry Kim failed to contact anyone else on the recon team that he heard something suspicious and the borg drone evacuated the area. That's a textbook mistake.
An even bigger mistake. Leaving crewmen alone in a dangerous situation like that. They should always be in pairs, one to work, the other to stand watch.
Um... If you see a Borg drone run away from the sound of whatever is coming, you should probably do the same. It tore the Borg ship to shreds. Whatever you think you're going to do to it alone, it is not going to end well for you.
"Who could have done this to the Borg?" After taking a look at the debris and damage to what used to be a Borg Cube, there is only one explanation: The Doctor's Photonic Cannon did this.
Ah, Paris, you naive fool. They've already come across half a dozen civilizations that could've done that in the Delta quadrant. Not to mention the handful in the Alpha that could as well. (The feds have blown up several.)
The scene right before this one, when the Borg cubes appear created (for me) one of the most powerful scenes in this show's history! When Janeway says, "Think good thoughts!" It's haunting that those might have been her last words had the Borg not been running for their lives!
@@Noobsaibot21 yep.. and they were deemed irrelevant. Else the cube would have gobbled em up. or so we think because this was the borg cubes first entry in voyager and we had NO IDEA how voyager could later tank even a Tac cube.
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I love this episode! Funny how that Borg trying to assimilate where Species 8472 came through the hull, decided to take a hike when the pilot is returning to his ship! lol
I always wondered why Starfleet didn't resort to projectile type weapons when fighting against the Borg. It worked in First Contact, and it worked for SG-1...
There was a Star Trek: Deep Space Nine novel that had a time bubble where a species with weapons that were effectively shotguns invaded DS9 and pretty much killed everyone with them...including civilians and children. The whole thing was particularly disturbing to read, and then correcting the time bubble made it like it never happened.
I don't see why projectile weaponry would be any more effective than energy weapons..if they can build a force field to stop energy attacks then it should be just as easy to stop projectile weapons..other wise then ships should just use projectile weapons to kill other ships
They had an episode on DS9 with a rifle projectile that even had a tiny transporter unit on it allowing for the bullet to go through walls without issues.
@@oldtwinsna8347 that weapon was bullshit, it would mean that objects being transported retain their inertia. Thats a can of gagh right there. Also, why beam bullets? Beam a grenade.
interestingly, it's what the alien species actually has been inspired upon. and yes, i thought the very same. it would have been amazing if they actually had like a alien-inspired theme when seeing that for the first time. however, star trek and alien lore are not realistically compatible due to the origins of FTL technology. In Star Trek, it's all warp stuff and the origin coming from what was put in the movie 'first contact' later on. In the Alien universe, it's not warp, but FTL technology coming from weyland-yutani, a corporation. The Nostromo was built in 2101, the Prometheus in 2091. that's about 30 years later since Star Trek's 1st contact. In prometheus lore, it was Dr. Weyland whom was responsible for inventing FTL technology, and the Weyland Corp. grew to a massive powerhouse, as did the Tyrrell company and Yutani. The Tyrrell company is from the Blade Runner movie franchise and has been semi-confirmed and i believe in a trailer of Romulus there was 'tyrrell' or something, confirming the shared universe. That means a commercial, money obsessed, military obsessed world. That's not the 'utopian' world Star Trek portrays. Even if prometheus origins would be retconned/ignored, it would still be the same greedy corp. Very basically put, there are also 'companies' outside of Starfleet, even human ones, as clearly seen in Star Trek TNG, aswell as a bit more clear in Star Trek Picard. However, events of Alien 1 take place in 2122 and alien 2 in 2179. In Alien 1, supposedly never contact with an alien has happened and in Alien 2 this sorta still exists as marines claim she once 'saw an alien'. They mentioned 'bug hunt' and 'arcturians'. Essentially this means alien creatures, and alien species, but most likely, are nothing but other human colonies or humanoid colonies, and the bugs simply insects, not really 'alien'. As odd as that seems. Yet in Star trek, by that time, the NX-01 was already commissioned and going through space, meeting the GORN and many other species. So that lore is incompatible with the Alien franchise. Nevertheless, it would be cool if there was some sort of connection possible though.
@@manoahvanderwolf3259 I wrote a fanfiction about this. It's called "The Prometheus Legend" and sends the Enterprise -D crew on a quest to prove or disprove a lingering legend.
i love species 8472, love that they eventually got a hold of the nanoprobe/voyager tech info so they could probably get a counter for it. Love that they destroyed so many borg and basically became the big bad the borg are afraid of I have always been a fan of biology over technology...and seeing a species with biology so powerful/fortified that it can beat borg tech..makes me glad
@@tomikexboii5403 it is....seems like our genetic code is a computer program. But something had to create that program and the biochemistry. I suppose it all depends on what one believes. John has a good point though...
Then they went and nerfed the hell out of them by making them take on human appearance, like that neutralizes the threat. Then they doubled down on the stupidity by making the groundskeeper Boothby the leader of the population. Stupid ass episode.
@Kervius Koshiba, UPN was waaay back in the day. One of the other shows I watched on that channel was “7 days” about the guy who went back in time each week to fix disasters.
I just wanted to say how much I like how the borg are just like, straight up chilling with the crew of voyager in this scene. They're so much more focused on trying to repair the ship.
They should have made them just go away and every now and then come back to attack Borg worlds and ships ... made them the Boogieman for the Borg... The story line could have had them as an old race who moved on into other dimensions but were attacked by the Borg by mistake, Or chance and we all know u never poke a sleeping dragon or bear. They wake up ANGRY.
I understand in the on-line series Species 8472 are more cunning, sending spies and infiltrated Klingon High Counsel and Starfleet Command. Appears some can shift change like Odo's people, the Founders.
I LOVE this concept. You could even have the Voyager crew picking up clues over a couple of seasons. Every time is an escalation from maybe one or 2 cubes, up to groups, fleets then whole worlds annihilated
@@joecolman1968 I just think that there technologies and difference could have made them an older race who have tried to stay out of contact with other species almost like they are Isolationist , they are a great species to add more depth too .. almost like the Vorlons or Shadows are in B5 .. ?..
@@SNATCHYDBS have you ever played Stellaris? There's a similar concept there with older races rather ignore you till you provoke them, then they stomp you. I like the idea of the borg being a younger race to be ignored for all their technological advantages over the UFP. Then they push their luck...
I’ll say this. As deeply flawed as this series is, this episode really nailed it in creating a creature worse than the borg. Unfortunately, in typical voyager fashion, they wrecked it shortly thereafter
Agreed, I'd be curious to see this show's ratings if there were scifi alternatives at the time. It often wasn't good scifi but it was about the only scifi s I watched it.
I was a fan of TOS (in reruns in the 1970's, when I was a child) and TNG when it originally aired. I never got into Voyager, or DS9. However I'm almost done re-watching all of TNG. Perhaps I'll give Voyager another chance. It never appealed to me but this scene is amazing. Real horror movie vibes.
I never understood, how Phasers used against the Borg did not also have a two-barrel shot-gun pistol; first shot being a magnetic alloy-powder to 'wipe' their shields, and, a second shot, one-thousandth of a second later with a Deer-shot round?
yes ST8 show that balistic weapons could work on borg... but he empty his full 50 Shoots .45 on just two of them... Borg have an implantet armorplates in the chest and some other regions. Allyoes that were far better then the stuff we have. also Borg have a masive reduce in pain reception. They pain understanding was only what region are damaged. not to avoid damage in the first place. if a knife stab there liver they will county there doing and simply go into medic bay or scrapyard until another drone get to the work... and the borg have fast addapting shileds. there Scand were fast enough to scan the weapon damage, spectrum wavelenge... even if the Drone fall in the first shoot. 2-3 moe shoots and all borg of this collective become resistance agains it. even if you have a randome modulator that change the frequence of your phasor at every shoot the borg would most liket still addapt and your gun become useless ( How long the collective remember a weaponclass/frequens is the question. basical the first standard Phasor of the federtion must already useless becaus most liket another of the tousend species the Borg assimilatet before have inventet exact the same typ of weapon) and for knife ,swords, blade, mace... Borg are most time stronger as humans. also intern armorplates... and even if borg are general slower... if needed the borg can make a drone faster by altering the body chemestry... chemical weapons like acid or million degree hot plasma in big ammount can work ( st ( sho it by the destroyed warpcore colling liquid) also if you firer a anti ship weapons on a single drone it also most liket have enough power to kill it...even if it hase addaptet to that frequence... but nobody run arround with a mobile photone torpedo launcher.
This series stretches one’s suspension of disbelief to the breaking point. One occasion after another when survival dictates they run away, and Fearless Leader goes right after it. And 7 seasons of this.
So you mean..... It's like a television show? Weird. To be serious, at one point in time we all didn't have a stick up our behinds, and where actually able to enjoy shows while suspending belief. Those were the good Ole days before the age of cynicism
They said this air would be breathable.. Get in and get out again, and no one gets hurt... You look at me and point up the hill... I look down at my red shirt; I look down at my red shirt......
Hahaha..good anology. But I think not many in this generation would get that joke..McEneroe Vs Borg was the most epic battle ever. My sentiments were for Borg and for him using wood rather than aluminium. Damn!! I am old for remembering that.. 😮
Voyager can be a very mixed bag, but DAMN if Scorpion 1 and 2 weren't good episodes. The cold opening alone, showing a group of Borg Cubes facing some unseen opponent and then getting absolutely wrecked in under a few seconds was enough to grab your attention. And it only got better from there as Janeway and Co are almost literary treading in the path of a kaiju fight trying to just figure out what the Hell is going on. Doesn't quite reach the level of Best of Both Worlds. But you can't fault it for making the effort.
Standard practice of a Starfleet also commonly known for having command crew being the first on away missions and beaming into highly suspicious situations..
I love this show but sometimes it strains the imagination. They transport over to the Borg ship with no suits, no armor or any type of protective gear. No oxygen. No eye protection. Not even rubber gloves! They are basically there in their pajamas. Would it have been too much to ask to spend a few bucks on a couple Haz-Mat suits?
I like how you question their attire but gloss entirely over "they transport over…" Because transportation - the conversion of an entire organism, including brain patterns, from matter into energy and then back into matter again, all ethical implications aside - is just another day at the office, but yeah how could this re-materialized person, with energy weapons, a universal translator, and coming from a ship with artificial gravity and warp drive POSSIBLY adapt to a subpar environment?
In previous encounters the Borg have ignored intruders aboard their ships unless they started inflicting significant damage. Compared to what just happened to them, the humans are no threat.
Y'know, I'd love to see an away team beam over to a Borg vessel in their pajamas, totally unarmed, drinks in hand. Enterprise Bingo #12: board Borg cube in said fashion. Enterprise Bingo #13: cheers with your drink on a Borg forehead *without* getting assimilated or requiring a rescue mission. Enterprise Bingo #14: dress a drone in your own pajamas and get it drunk…
I always found the whole thing where Starfleet can simply beam into a Borg vessel and walk around without being assimilated pretty dubious. They seem to be hyper-aggressive on a macro / strategic scale, but extremely passive at a squad / tactical scale. They follow the chocolate box approach to security - a hard, crunchy exterior with a soft, gooey centre. Anybody with ANY knowledge of how security works will tell you that's a bad idea - you need layers, as many as possible. They've assimilated thousands of species, including humans - you would think they would have picked up the hint SOMEWHERE.
Species 8472 had *the* Coldest introduction of any sci fi villain ever. The Borg still had their prestige at this point, so seeing them get absolutely Merked in this was a fantastic shock to the system.
Yeah, I remember watching this on something called a TV. I know. I am an old fart. Anyway, I loved the fact the Borg bit off more than they could chew. This scene had my butt puckered when I was a kid. I just knew one of those Borg was going to wig out and start assimilating the away team.
Scorpion I believe this episode was named blew me away with this new enemy....I'm glad voyager didn't over use species 8412 kept them mysterious.... voyager had great two part episodes
I remember watching this when it first aired. It was so bizarre and alarming to have a species more powerful than the Borg, especially such a vastly different one that used organic ships and was tripedal, and you could feel the anxiety build and build as Species 8472 kept getting closer to the away team.
@christhepk1407: My thoughts even back then. And since they are Cyborgs concocted from who knows how many different assimilated species from alien worlds, why would anyone assume that even a fully functional Borg vessel would be set up to sustain human life?
Species 8472 had so much potential in the Voyager story. But, the way they were watered down as victims of the Borg was a terribly weak heel turn IMO. The Borg storyline has been mined to death. A new enemy not only for Voyager but, the Federation to deal with would have been a step forward for the franchise. But, as usual the production took the easy way out.
Erm. Pretty sure that wasn't it. Borg invaded their realm in order to assimilate, as they do. Species 8472 took the fight to them. Borg spoiled their realm and where purged. I'm not sure you watched these episodes.
@@gregoryuk I have watched the 8472 episodes multiple times. My point was that the writers having the Borg invade fluidic space was a terrible decision. Should have stayed with the premise of an aggressive predatory race invading the Alpha quadrant. The Borg being who they are making the mistake of getting in the way. I just prefer that storyline over the one that was shown that made 8472 the victims of the Borg incursion/attempted assimilation.
@@godslayer1415 The weapons tech species 8472 had would scare just about any race in Babylon 5 senseless. They only needed 8 relatively small ships to blow up a planet. Vorlons and Shadows from B5 still relied on Death-star style planet-killer ships to get the same job done. Honestly, the only way to 'counter' species 8472 would be diplomacy, which I believe happened in an episode where species 8472 were preparing to go after Earth IIRC.
Someone other than Paris should have asked "Who could do this to the Borg?" Because Paris should have replied, "I don't know, but I'd like to buy them a drink...."
The music beginning at 2:11... did anyone else feel like that was an altered version of the suspense music from Wrath of Khan... about the time Khan went into his "I've done far worse than kill you... I've hurt you... and I wish to go on hurting you..."?
It always gets me that away teams don't wear protective armor or a space suit. Also, what's with the flash lights surely there's 24 century night vision
I have not played these new Star Trek online, which have been released, but I have notices for couples of years from another website that species 8472 have a proper name which is Undine. Species 8472 is a designation given to them by the Borg.
Remember how unstoppable and threatening Species 84721 was? Malevolent and conquest hungry. Then they put on human skin and wanted to have a tea party with cucumber sandwiches with everyone. FFS.
After seeing the inside of the bio-ship, I imagined that Species 8472 might have terrestrial versions of those bio-ships. Come across a planet they want, but with Borg they hate, deploy a ground version, but instead a vehicle reminiscent of a tank, its more giant monster, either tripedal, like them, or maybe even quadruped like some kind of huge predator.
Why was Harry Kim on the away team? I can see Chakotay, being the XO, and Tuvok, the head of Security, but why wouldn't they bring a Security detachment along, instead of a lowly Ensign responsible for Bridge operations?
Why am I getting the feeling when they are walking around the destroyed Borg vessel that it like walking around in a haunted house or House of Terror during Halloween.
Hey Harry, turn your back on that Borg who is trying to assimilate that invader. Voyager needs a good entry into this year's Starfleet "Darwin Awards."
on a borg ship which was attacked, has borg on it and possibly something even worse: "hey, Harry, why don't you stay here by yourself" not only that he was very much occupied trying to use the tricorder with a borg about 4 feet away, hears weird noises again and again starts to investigate on his own... makes no sense all around.
I watched this when it originally aired. I was so stoked to see the Borg running for their lives. Species 8472 kicked ass. 🖖🏻
Me too
Species 8472 needed a movie
I like the fluidic space idea as well. The borg pushed limits. It's nice to see limits push back.
@@TheTrueNateHustle this is where the frontier pushes back
Any news on the Blu ray version yet?
“Harry, in the middle of this VERY hostile environment, you throw all of your attention into operating this computer console. Tuvok and I will keep exploring, leaving you all alone and not covered…” 🤦♂️
😂😂😂
Obviously you know nothing about the borg 😂
exactly what I thought. also beam into a hostile environment all facing the same way.
Take 3 people so splitting up automatically means leaving someone alone. Harry must be considered expendable.
@@Plainview200 Well, he'll never be promoted... LOL!
First rule in dungeon exploration - *Never* split up the party!
And bring even number of people to cover each other....
Yeah, when I first watched this, I wondered if the actor wanted to leave the series and was going to get red shirted.
Good advice. If movie makers followed your suggestion no scary movies would ever be successful.
Same rule in horror movies
Isn’t it amazing? No matter how badly damaged a ship is, there’s always perfect atmosphere and artificial gravity.
The Voyager crew presumably chose the beam into an area of the Borg ship that still had gravity and life support.
That's the whole point of the cubes you dingus, they are a big lump of redundant systems
They have force fields that can hold out vacuum.
@@got2kittys aaaaaaachkchktually they hold in the pressure
It would be expensive otherwise... :)
I remember being a teenager and I saw the promo. It had a Borg cube on the screen approaching and they said their normal tag line. My first reaction was, “oh looks like the voyager crew will have to deal with the Borg.” Then they said
“We are the Borg, you will be assimilated. Resistance is…” And the Borg cube exploded.
I was in total shock. There has NEVER been a bigger threat than the Borg by that time…Maybe the dominion but I wasn’t watching DS9 at the time.
I couldn’t believe that an unseen enemy could do that to the Borg. Still a great core memory!
who did this to the Borg me and that's what happens when the Borg say resistance is futile I say bah BOOM die Borgy shmorgie
The enemy of my enemy is my… Ah, crap. They’re also my enemy.
Yeah, they are not necessarily your friends... The enemy you know is better than the enemy you don't!
"Hey, you guys hate the Borg too! Cool! Let's team up and--"
*"The weak shall perish."*
"Oh."
The enemy of my enemy just grouped up when they found a common enemy
“Who could do this to the Borg?”
Tuvok: An alternate version of Janeway who didn’t get her coffee in time.
“Ah that explains it”
nope this is what happens when you spike janways coffee with red bull🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣the Borg go BOOM
Any search and rescue team knows to always work in pairs - meaning the away team should be 4 or 8 people (if 1 gets injured, 1 stays with the injured and the team is still tactically-effective).
I was about to comment on the same thing. Budget for this episode must have been tight. No room for throw away security team members. And even when they teleported in, they weren't in a true 360 degree tactical firing position. All three guys facing the same way and nobody in a firing position. They literally come across as actors posing for a military poster. LOL
@@superdave8248 plus, they were not in space suits, or even basic hazsuits. Just wondering around a damaged spaceship, venting all sorts of gases and having malfunctioning Borg all over. Where are the combat, amoured spacesuits? And it does break the story a little, but wouldn't drones of some sort be much safer to send in first, or at least alongside the biologicals.
Ya with actual combat gear not slacks and a pull over😆
sounds awfully suspicious mr
or should i say seven of nine hmmm!?
It's okay, they had their cell phones with them.
I love how Star Fleet is supposed to be completely professional, but Harry Kim failed to contact anyone else on the recon team that he heard something suspicious and the borg drone evacuated the area. That's a textbook mistake.
Thats why he's still an ensign 😂
An even bigger mistake. Leaving crewmen alone in a dangerous situation like that. They should always be in pairs, one to work, the other to stand watch.
@@GaryCameron also a clear signal to the audience that something scary is just around the corner.
I mean he was about to contact them before the video cut off…
And he was taught at the academy that resistance is futile.
Um... If you see a Borg drone run away from the sound of whatever is coming, you should probably do the same. It tore the Borg ship to shreds. Whatever you think you're going to do to it alone, it is not going to end well for you.
Yeah, that is when you whisper in the comm, "Time to leave".
If this was Starship Troopers, it would be, "F$%^ this s#$%, I'm out."
Also if you hear something and it doesn't sound friendly it's time to leave.
gee thanks guys!
If ever there was a time to follow/assimilate to borg tactics, it's when they retreat.
You do realize this is actually fiction, sci-fi? And wipe that drool off you face.
"Who could have done this to the Borg?"
After taking a look at the debris and damage to what used to be a Borg Cube, there is only one explanation: The Doctor's Photonic Cannon did this.
Yes
That's because they could not assimilate The Message
The Pegasus.
Or, a Hadron enforcer...
Ah, Paris, you naive fool. They've already come across half a dozen civilizations that could've done that in the Delta quadrant. Not to mention the handful in the Alpha that could as well. (The feds have blown up several.)
The scene right before this one, when the Borg cubes appear created (for me) one of the most powerful scenes in this show's history! When Janeway says, "Think good thoughts!" It's haunting that those might have been her last words had the Borg not been running for their lives!
The borg did not run, they hurried toward their destruction. Voyager was utterly irrelevant to the cube troupe.
@@trazyntheinfinite9895 important enough for one of the cubes to stop and take a look at least
@@Noobsaibot21 yep.. and they were deemed irrelevant. Else the cube would have gobbled em up. or so we think because this was the borg cubes first entry in voyager and we had NO IDEA how voyager could later tank even a Tac cube.
BORG-CUBE!!
That scene was hilarious. It was the cube that needed repairs after voyaver attacked. A tactical cube. The big boi pants cube.
Does anyone else believe that every scene filmed inside a borg cube is actually inside of Spencer's gifts?
Well, I do NOW.
YES!
...is Spencer’s gifts still A Thing?
That store still exists?
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Wow. Even some of them here. Didn't know there were malls still in biz. Learn something new... two things even...
I'd only have to hear that shrieking noise once to know it's not a borg but species 8472 returning to its ship - beam us back, Voyager!
It's certainly what I like to call.. FTS moment. Translated: F*** that shit!
I love this episode! Funny how that Borg trying to assimilate where Species 8472 came through the hull, decided to take a hike when the pilot is returning to his ship! lol
the poor borg cant assimilate the bio-block! :O :(
Who could do this to the Borg?!? The McEnroe;-)
I see what you did there!
That’s great!😆
There were broken racquets and soggy sweatbands everywhere, man!
Film aside, that's an excellent use of a 42 year old reference.
Chupacabra
It was the Teletubbies! Those malicious bastards! 😠
Tinky winky is a right bastard
This episode feels like it could have been made in the 60's - it was in the spirit of TOS and a fun ride. Also nightmare fuel too!
I always wondered why Starfleet didn't resort to projectile type weapons when fighting against the Borg. It worked in First Contact, and it worked for SG-1...
There was a Star Trek: Deep Space Nine novel that had a time bubble where a species with weapons that were effectively shotguns invaded DS9 and pretty much killed everyone with them...including civilians and children. The whole thing was particularly disturbing to read, and then correcting the time bubble made it like it never happened.
I don't see why projectile weaponry would be any more effective than energy weapons..if they can build a force field to stop energy attacks then it should be just as easy to stop projectile weapons..other wise then ships should just use projectile weapons to kill other ships
Perhaps they simply hadn’t adapted yet, but First Contact showed that projectiles were highly effective against the Borg.
They had an episode on DS9 with a rifle projectile that even had a tiny transporter unit on it allowing for the bullet to go through walls without issues.
@@oldtwinsna8347 that weapon was bullshit, it would mean that objects being transported retain their inertia. Thats a can of gagh right there.
Also, why beam bullets? Beam a grenade.
Who did this to the BORG?
The DQTF (Delta Quadrant Tribble Force).
The big bullies, The Borg finally messed around with the wrong species.
They're not bullies! They say "We are trying to improve the quality of life for everyone" as I recall. And they seem to mean everyone, everywhere!
When I first saw the internal structure at 2:25 my first thought was that they've encountered a Xenomorph.
I was just thinking that too. 😂
I would've FLIPPED the FUCK OUT if that had been the case, holy shit.
interestingly, it's what the alien species actually has been inspired upon. and yes, i thought the very same. it would have been amazing if they actually had like a alien-inspired theme when seeing that for the first time.
however, star trek and alien lore are not realistically compatible due to the origins of FTL technology. In Star Trek, it's all warp stuff and the origin coming from what was put in the movie 'first contact' later on. In the Alien universe, it's not warp, but FTL technology coming from weyland-yutani, a corporation. The Nostromo was built in 2101, the Prometheus in 2091.
that's about 30 years later since Star Trek's 1st contact.
In prometheus lore, it was Dr. Weyland whom was responsible for inventing FTL technology, and the Weyland Corp. grew to a massive powerhouse, as did the Tyrrell company and Yutani. The Tyrrell company is from the Blade Runner movie franchise and has been semi-confirmed and i believe in a trailer of Romulus there was 'tyrrell' or something, confirming the shared universe.
That means a commercial, money obsessed, military obsessed world. That's not the 'utopian' world Star Trek portrays. Even if prometheus origins would be retconned/ignored, it would still be the same greedy corp.
Very basically put, there are also 'companies' outside of Starfleet, even human ones, as clearly seen in Star Trek TNG, aswell as a bit more clear in Star Trek Picard.
However, events of Alien 1 take place in 2122 and alien 2 in 2179.
In Alien 1, supposedly never contact with an alien has happened and in Alien 2 this sorta still exists as marines claim she once 'saw an alien'. They mentioned 'bug hunt' and 'arcturians'. Essentially this means alien creatures, and alien species, but most likely, are nothing but other human colonies or humanoid colonies, and the bugs simply insects, not really 'alien'. As odd as that seems.
Yet in Star trek, by that time, the NX-01 was already commissioned and going through space, meeting the GORN and many other species.
So that lore is incompatible with the Alien franchise.
Nevertheless, it would be cool if there was some sort of connection possible though.
@@manoahvanderwolf3259 I wrote a fanfiction about this. It's called "The Prometheus Legend" and sends the Enterprise -D crew on a quest to prove or disprove a lingering legend.
I’ve been to few nightclubs in the 80’s that looked like that destroyed Borg ship!
Cool. Did you get assimilated?
The Borg aesthetic was inspired by H.R. Giger, probably the inspiration for those clubs as well.
I've seen a few clubbers looked like species 8472 at chuck out time
i love species 8472, love that they eventually got a hold of the nanoprobe/voyager tech info so they could probably get a counter for it. Love that they destroyed so many borg and basically became the big bad the borg are afraid of
I have always been a fan of biology over technology...and seeing a species with biology so powerful/fortified that it can beat borg tech..makes me glad
Uh. Oh. Biology is just nanoscale technology...
@@tomikexboii5403 it is....seems like our genetic code is a computer program. But something had to create that program and the biochemistry. I suppose it all depends on what one believes. John has a good point though...
I'm a big believer in bio too. For the long-term . .
Its the Yuu Zan Vhong of Star Trek's universe
TY for sharing! Nostalgia feels from watching this on UPN!
Then they went and nerfed the hell out of them by making them take on human appearance, like that neutralizes the threat. Then they doubled down on the stupidity by making the groundskeeper Boothby the leader of the population. Stupid ass episode.
Now I must play Star Trek Online. Always wanted more species 8472
@Kervius Koshiba, UPN was waaay back in the day. One of the other shows I watched on that channel was “7 days” about the guy who went back in time each week to fix disasters.
Scorpion was one of my favourite episodes in Voyager
Welp, the Borg ship is in pieces but at least the fog machines are still working 😂😂😂
Inside a damaged battleship, and no hard helmets.
Future Health and Safety is in shambles.
Not to mention by the 24th century the concept of Starfleet Tactical Away Team Armor went by the wayside…
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Yes, and protocol allows each to wander around on their own 🤣, with no radio communication.
The inspectors are in the alpha quadrant. They know there’s no way they’re going to get fined.
Also, no masks. Could be toxins in the air.
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Plot device.
“Who could do this to the Borg?” Smash cut to them destroying dozens of Borg ships throughout the series listening to Blue Skies 🤣
I just wanted to say how much I like how the borg are just like, straight up chilling with the crew of voyager in this scene. They're so much more focused on trying to repair the ship.
Always cool when a sci-fi show goes full horror mode!
Who ever did that to the Borg are our new best friends.
Species 8472 (now called the Undine in Star Trek Online). They are an extra-dimensional race capable of fighting the Borg to a standstill.
Q introduced the Borg because they were the next tier up on the pyramid. They weren't the tip of the pyramid. Q probably considers his race the tip.
Yeah - The enemy of my enemy is my friend..
Probably been said before, but...
This was the Borg's Wolf 395.
They should have made them just go away and every now and then come back to attack Borg worlds and ships ... made them the Boogieman for the Borg... The story line could have had them as an old race who moved on into other dimensions but were attacked by the Borg by mistake, Or chance and we all know u never poke a sleeping dragon or bear. They wake up ANGRY.
Nah.. the main concept is that the Borg are who they are and that should not be taken away from Star Trek.. but that was a good episode.
I understand in the on-line series Species 8472 are more cunning, sending spies and infiltrated Klingon High Counsel and Starfleet Command. Appears some can shift change like Odo's people, the Founders.
I LOVE this concept. You could even have the Voyager crew picking up clues over a couple of seasons. Every time is an escalation from maybe one or 2 cubes, up to groups, fleets then whole worlds annihilated
@@joecolman1968 I just think that there technologies and difference could have made them an older race who have tried to stay out of contact with other species almost like they are Isolationist , they are a great species to add more depth too .. almost like the Vorlons or Shadows are in B5 .. ?..
@@SNATCHYDBS have you ever played Stellaris? There's a similar concept there with older races rather ignore you till you provoke them, then they stomp you. I like the idea of the borg being a younger race to be ignored for all their technological advantages over the UFP. Then they push their luck...
I’ll say this. As deeply flawed as this series is, this episode really nailed it in creating a creature worse than the borg. Unfortunately, in typical voyager fashion, they wrecked it shortly thereafter
I don't know what the criticism is. I always loved Voyager.
How they wreck it?
I hate to agree but yeah
Agreed, I'd be curious to see this show's ratings if there were scifi alternatives at the time. It often wasn't good scifi but it was about the only scifi s I watched it.
I was a fan of TOS (in reruns in the 1970's, when I was a child) and TNG when it originally aired. I never got into Voyager, or DS9. However I'm almost done re-watching all of TNG. Perhaps I'll give Voyager another chance. It never appealed to me but this scene is amazing. Real horror movie vibes.
I never understood, how Phasers used against the Borg did not also have a two-barrel shot-gun pistol; first shot being a magnetic alloy-powder to 'wipe' their shields, and, a second shot, one-thousandth of a second later with a Deer-shot round?
yes ST8 show that balistic weapons could work on borg... but he empty his full 50 Shoots .45 on just two of them...
Borg have an implantet armorplates in the chest and some other regions. Allyoes that were far better then the stuff we have.
also Borg have a masive reduce in pain reception. They pain understanding was only what region are damaged. not to avoid damage in the first place. if a knife stab there liver they will county there doing and simply go into medic bay or scrapyard until another drone get to the work...
and the borg have fast addapting shileds. there Scand were fast enough to scan the weapon damage, spectrum wavelenge... even if the Drone fall in the first shoot. 2-3 moe shoots and all borg of this collective become resistance agains it.
even if you have a randome modulator that change the frequence of your phasor at every shoot the borg would most liket still addapt and your gun become useless ( How long the collective remember a weaponclass/frequens is the question. basical the first standard Phasor of the federtion must already useless becaus most liket another of the tousend species the Borg assimilatet before have inventet exact the same typ of weapon)
and for knife ,swords, blade, mace... Borg are most time stronger as humans. also intern armorplates... and even if borg are general slower... if needed the borg can make a drone faster by altering the body chemestry...
chemical weapons like acid or million degree hot plasma in big ammount can work ( st ( sho it by the destroyed warpcore colling liquid)
also if you firer a anti ship weapons on a single drone it also most liket have enough power to kill it...even if it hase addaptet to that frequence...
but nobody run arround with a mobile photone torpedo launcher.
This series stretches one’s suspension of disbelief to the breaking point. One occasion after another when survival dictates they run away, and Fearless Leader goes right after it. And 7 seasons of this.
So you mean..... It's like a television show? Weird.
To be serious, at one point in time we all didn't have a stick up our behinds, and where actually able to enjoy shows while suspending belief. Those were the good Ole days before the age of cynicism
They said this air would be breathable..
Get in and get out again, and no one gets hurt...
You look at me and point up the hill...
I look down at my red shirt; I look down at my red shirt......
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@@k.t.1641 There is a cynicism in whining about modernity and harkening back to "the good ol' days" in its own right.
Jerry Ryan ripping my clothes off whispering Resistance is Fucking Futile! Oh yay!
In battle, the Borg and the McEnroe reached a stalemate (7-7) but the McEnroe angrily claimed victory and the Borg remained emotionless.
Hahaha..good anology. But I think not many in this generation would get that joke..McEneroe Vs Borg was the most epic battle ever. My sentiments were for Borg and for him using wood rather than aluminium. Damn!! I am old for remembering that.. 😮
I do recall that scanning the area did lead to the discovery of chalk dust...
Voyager can be a very mixed bag, but DAMN if Scorpion 1 and 2 weren't good episodes. The cold opening alone, showing a group of Borg Cubes facing some unseen opponent and then getting absolutely wrecked in under a few seconds was enough to grab your attention. And it only got better from there as Janeway and Co are almost literary treading in the path of a kaiju fight trying to just figure out what the Hell is going on.
Doesn't quite reach the level of Best of Both Worlds. But you can't fault it for making the effort.
"who would do this to the Borg?" A voice from the debris field... "Look Rimmer, ya smeghead, I was only trying to reheat me curry!"
I read that in Lister's voice!
Really should have stayed to watch Kim's back. Very poor tactical judgement.
Standard practice of a Starfleet also commonly known for having command crew being the first on away missions and beaming into highly suspicious situations..
bridge officers are not a tactical team - stupid script . . .
Agreed
They should have had a full squad of at least 12 heavily armed crew members in case the Borg fought back.
Yeah why wouldn’t they take an even number?
I loved this as a kid. now I am impressed by the use of culvert and plastic septic tanks used as sci fi props
When the borg first appeared in season 2 of picard asking for help, i was hoping that they were running from species 8472, would have been epic :D
I love this show but sometimes it strains the imagination. They transport over to the Borg ship with no suits, no armor or any type of protective gear. No oxygen. No eye protection. Not even rubber gloves! They are basically there in their pajamas. Would it have been too much to ask to spend a few bucks on a couple Haz-Mat suits?
There's really tons of other tech they should be using, something like AI drones to scout the area and do recon etc
I like how you question their attire but gloss entirely over "they transport over…" Because transportation - the conversion of an entire organism, including brain patterns, from matter into energy and then back into matter again, all ethical implications aside - is just another day at the office, but yeah how could this re-materialized person, with energy weapons, a universal translator, and coming from a ship with artificial gravity and warp drive POSSIBLY adapt to a subpar environment?
In previous encounters the Borg have ignored intruders aboard their ships unless they started inflicting significant damage. Compared to what just happened to them, the humans are no threat.
Y'know, I'd love to see an away team beam over to a Borg vessel in their pajamas, totally unarmed, drinks in hand.
Enterprise Bingo #12: board Borg cube in said fashion.
Enterprise Bingo #13: cheers with your drink on a Borg forehead *without* getting assimilated or requiring a rescue mission.
Enterprise Bingo #14: dress a drone in your own pajamas and get it drunk…
I always found the whole thing where Starfleet can simply beam into a Borg vessel and walk around without being assimilated pretty dubious. They seem to be hyper-aggressive on a macro / strategic scale, but extremely passive at a squad / tactical scale.
They follow the chocolate box approach to security - a hard, crunchy exterior with a soft, gooey centre. Anybody with ANY knowledge of how security works will tell you that's a bad idea - you need layers, as many as possible. They've assimilated thousands of species, including humans - you would think they would have picked up the hint SOMEWHERE.
A Captain is Born
Borg meet their own Wolf 359.
It's always energy weapons & other than Klingons, never carry any edged weapons or even things like pry tools. Always thought it was curious.
Combat with bladed weapons inside a spaceship makes more sense than blasting away with high powered energy weapons.
I love how the bridge crew takes part in every landing party.
Props to the original Star Trek, which always added a few new crew members when a landing party was required.
He's dead, Jim. @@aheroictaxidriver3180
@@aheroictaxidriver3180 ...temporarily.
Species 8472 had *the* Coldest introduction of any sci fi villain ever. The Borg still had their prestige at this point, so seeing them get absolutely Merked in this was a fantastic shock to the system.
Walking into that cavity with the spinal structures -- Alien anyone?
A xenomorph infiltrating a Borg cube -- wouldn't that be fun?
Does anyone think The Borg could assimilate a Xenomorph?
Considering the Xenomorphs have concentrated molecular acid for blood I'd be surprised if the Borg could assimilate them.@@ericdunn7352
@@ericdunn7352Since the xenomorph has acid for blood would the nanoprobes be resistant to that?
Yeah, I remember watching this on something called a TV. I know. I am an old fart. Anyway, I loved the fact the Borg bit off more than they could chew. This scene had my butt puckered when I was a kid. I just knew one of those Borg was going to wig out and start assimilating the away team.
Who did this to the Borg.... that little kid Anthony Fremont in the original The Twilight Zone episode, ,"It's a good life."
This clip is taken from S03 E26 and titled, "Scorpion, Part I". It is the final episode of season 3 and is concluded in S04 E01, "Scorpion, Part II".
26-episodes in a season! Wow, I remember those days.
@@fredfolson5355 me too, back when people had attention spans instead of mobile phones
I loved the whole Voyager thing, but especially species 8372!
Gotta love it. A potentially hazardous situation, and the senior bridge crew goes to investigate.
I always liked Voyager. I think the best series was DS9. It had a deeper storyline.
I'd be like hell no beam me back from this Borg ship wrecked by something even more scary!
It's a pity they didn't expand on species 8472. Any species that kicks Borg ass is good in my books.
I like the quick-draw at 3:29. Everyone in a tactical scenario needs to know this.
Scorpion I believe this episode was named blew me away with this new enemy....I'm glad voyager didn't over use species 8412 kept them mysterious.... voyager had great two part episodes
I remember watching this when it first aired. It was so bizarre and alarming to have a species more powerful than the Borg, especially such a vastly different one that used organic ships and was tripedal, and you could feel the anxiety build and build as Species 8472 kept getting closer to the away team.
love how they beam over with no life support suits. like a damaged borg ship would still have atmosphere much less hull integrity.
@christhepk1407: My thoughts even back then. And since they are Cyborgs concocted from who knows how many different assimilated species from alien worlds, why would anyone assume that even a fully functional Borg vessel would be set up to sustain human life?
They scanned the Borg vessel for life sustaining atmospheres
Species 8472 had so much potential in the Voyager story. But, the way they were watered down as victims of the Borg was a terribly weak heel turn IMO. The Borg storyline has been mined to death. A new enemy not only for Voyager but, the Federation to deal with would have been a step forward for the franchise.
But, as usual the production took the easy way out.
Erm. Pretty sure that wasn't it. Borg invaded their realm in order to assimilate, as they do. Species 8472 took the fight to them. Borg spoiled their realm and where purged. I'm not sure you watched these episodes.
@@gregoryuk I have watched the 8472 episodes multiple times. My point was that the writers having the Borg invade fluidic space was a terrible decision. Should have stayed with the premise of an aggressive predatory race invading the Alpha quadrant. The Borg being who they are making the mistake of getting in the way. I just prefer that storyline over the one that was shown that made 8472 the victims of the Borg incursion/attempted assimilation.
@@godslayer1415 The weapons tech species 8472 had would scare just about any race in Babylon 5 senseless. They only needed 8 relatively small ships to blow up a planet. Vorlons and Shadows from B5 still relied on Death-star style planet-killer ships to get the same job done. Honestly, the only way to 'counter' species 8472 would be diplomacy, which I believe happened in an episode where species 8472 were preparing to go after Earth IIRC.
@@msh6865Except the Borg are based in the Delta quadrant and that is where they began their predation.
Best 2 part Borg story. There is always a bigger baddie. Watch out Harry!!!
Three officers and no security team on an away mission to a known hostile ship? Since when?
hate to be a security guard an any star trek episode .Death sentence
"Who could do this to the Borg?"
"Our new best friends!"
Someone other than Paris should have asked "Who could do this to the Borg?"
Because Paris should have replied, "I don't know, but I'd like to buy them a drink...."
If you see a Borg running away, best advice is follow it!
Well,I couldn’t let the away with trying to assimilate my G Shock collection!😂😂😂😂😂
As a wise Jedi said...."There's always a bigger fish".
The music beginning at 2:11... did anyone else feel like that was an altered version of the suspense music from Wrath of Khan... about the time Khan went into his "I've done far worse than kill you... I've hurt you... and I wish to go on hurting you..."?
I saw this when I was 10 years old, and man, it was legitimately terrifying. I felt like I was watching a top notch horror movie.
“Well,that was Species 8471.We think that’s enough assimilation for now!
The Flood-I mean Species 8472!
Good one!!
Captain Janeway is EXTREMELY BEAUTIFUL and GORGEOUS ❤️❤️❤️
VOYAGER : the best series of the entire saga. For everything.
It always gets me that away teams don't wear protective armor or a space suit. Also, what's with the flash lights surely there's 24 century night vision
If ever there was a time to follow/assimilate borg tactics, it's when they retreat.
I have not played these new Star Trek online, which have been released, but I have notices for couples of years from another website that species 8472 have a proper name which is Undine. Species 8472 is a designation given to them by the Borg.
Some of the set designs on this show were next level
1.000.000 dollar per episode was alot that time!
It was gratifying to know the borg got their butt kicked
"The Kyushu. The Tolstoy. The Melbourne." Ooops! Different aftermath and series!
Well it was inevitable there would be something out there more powerful than the Borg
Remember how unstoppable and threatening Species 84721 was? Malevolent and conquest hungry. Then they put on human skin and wanted to have a tea party with cucumber sandwiches with everyone. FFS.
This would make for a awesome horror/ haunted house theme ride in a amusement park
That Kin never got past Lieutenant is the biggest injustice in Star Trek
I know the sound has been edited to counter the auto claim nots, but damn, Tom Paris has some base to that voice
After seeing the inside of the bio-ship, I imagined that Species 8472 might have terrestrial versions of those bio-ships. Come across a planet they want, but with Borg they hate, deploy a ground version, but instead a vehicle reminiscent of a tank, its more giant monster, either tripedal, like them, or maybe even quadruped like some kind of huge predator.
All of the B Grade Horror movie's cliches PLUS an upcoming kick in the ass. Yes, I used to watch this.
A,all powerful,feared enemy is running away from something,I’ll go see what it is!?
One of my favorite episode from Voyager 😀😀😀
with all their tech, they don't send a drone first ever. always the high commanding officers.
Why was Harry Kim on the away team? I can see Chakotay, being the XO, and Tuvok, the head of Security, but why wouldn't they bring a Security detachment along, instead of a lowly Ensign responsible for Bridge operations?
No spacesuits entering a badly damaged cube fragment?
Why am I getting the feeling when they are walking around the destroyed Borg vessel that it like walking around in a haunted house or House of Terror during Halloween.
I remember the chills of this episode
CHUCK NORRIS was showing them that resistance to him is futile.
Hey Harry, turn your back on that Borg who is trying to assimilate that invader. Voyager needs a good entry into this year's Starfleet "Darwin Awards."
on a borg ship which was attacked, has borg on it and possibly something even worse: "hey, Harry, why don't you stay here by yourself" not only that he was very much occupied trying to use the tricorder with a borg about 4 feet away, hears weird noises again and again starts to investigate on his own... makes no sense all around.