I bought this book from Andrew Loomis and he’s also clearly a copycat of Ethan. This has to stop. All art belongs to Ethan. Let’s stop pretending otherwise
It's Ethan who's copying his art method you idiot, Andrew Loomis came way way before ethan, stop comparing a childish you tuber "teacher (ahaha)" to an actual professional with useful tips
there’s literally an art book called Steal Like an Artist the describes how it’s nearly impossible to have a 100% original idea in an over saturated market and the only way to keep creating at a profitable pace is to borrow enough good ideas from other people but tie them all together with what makes your creation unique. very insightful book beyond just art
i started learning how to produce my own music and I was so stressed because I didn't want to make a song that was similar to another one out there. then I remembered music genres exist.
i would highly recommend you watching kesh's video about this controversy and his video about steal like an artist.It has everything you will ever need
I just saw this book today at fed ex LOL. Yes exactly! If you study art history you can see how each movement was built upon one another or even evolved from another. Every aspect of design is like that.
As someone who is new to seeing your content, the handling of the knife and enthusiastic slapping/ head bobbing while it is pointing at your face has me alarmed but no one else is freaking out so I assume this is a regular thing.
How idiotic and frail are you to be scared of a you tuber pointing knife at a camera? I truly will never understand how your brains fonction on this channel
@@antares3030 not original kid I've already heard that 532 times by now, not surprised when you open your big mouth nothing logical comes out of it Edit: when slander becomes the tool of a loser, you know you've lost the argument before even stepping in the discussion so avoid humiliating yourselves any further, I'm being worried about your social reputation
People have mentioned how you can discover the same idea and not realize that its been done before. I just wanted to mention a little story of mine. When I was younger, the how to draw books I had were of anime and a couple of watercolor books about fairies and dragons. So, nothing really about actual fundamentals, or books for drawing with graphite or charcoal, nothing like that. But I drew this really bad pegasus drawing, and I wanted it to be black. So, I ended up using my fingers to smudge and blend and make the pegasus all dark. And as a little kid, I thought I was this genius, discovering that you can smudge and blend with your fingers. Obviously, as I grew older, I discovered that this is a technique done before countless times. I know that its not much, but I just wanted to further add to this idea, that you can discover something yourself, but its already been done before.
Little story from my side. Im studying design and we had to do a tean Project. We came up with this really good idea but changed our mind along the way. The next semester this exact idea is being used by another team ( in combination with something else). So we thought that someone stole our idea or listened to us when we talked about it in the planning phase. We had some wild theories about this. Turns out not only did they start at the same time with this project as we did, we talked with the Professor about this ( not snitching we just talked about it on accident) and he said he is hearing this exact idea every year from new people.
Yeah, I've had this happen too. When I was little I was really into the idea that 'oh i'm gonna make countries into characters and make them interact like real countries do, except ppl!1!1!1!' and then i grew up a little and found out hetalia existed
Yeah so basically it's a more complicated story of 90% of cases "discovering" masturbation. It exists but you can find out about it without being told.
Same here 😂 I thought using tooth brush to create speckled dust effect was something I discovered back in 1997. But, later in life I realised that it’s been done. 😂😂😂
When Alphonse started to claim the SIX SHADED BOXES as his I literally laughed. I was taught the box thing in art class in elementary school. Fundamentals are fundamentals and cannot be copied.
@@BeautifulEarthJa Nope six boxes was showed at school. He might of taken a lot of time deciding on 6 just how I took a lot of time discovering certain color theory rules. I made up a new method that no other teacher taught then I saw someone post a video about it. Here is the thing, art as been build on for generations. Alphonse is just a crybaby mad that his ideas are not original. The reality is, being original is impossible. To answer his question, Why do simple things no get invented if they are so obvious to us. Its because the inventions have a start. They cant be in existence forever especially since inventions rely on other inventions. And lets not forget that many people can invent the same thing while being across the globe without realizing it
Pretty sure your art professors are working on teaching, not just selling you books. If all they do is selling you ink drawing books that match the books discussed to a T, yes, drop out of school and just order them from amazon.
I don't know... From the sounds of things, your professors might be onto something if they're teaching about fuzzy balls... SO take that into consideration first. K? ;o)
Go borrow a brain while you're at it, sad when today's children can't think for themselves and always have to copy/follow what they are being told like little obedient kids, no wonder why most college students are idiotic liberals and mostly rioting in blm, they can't think for themselves like you, you controlled brat
skellyaart Instagram - I am the truth: I do not understand what you’re getting pressed for. For someone who claims to be the truth (are you the way and life too?), you didn’t even bother to verify why I made that comment and went ahead to judge and form your imagined truth. Your hasty generalizations are really something :) My comment was simply lauding the commentary of this RUclipsr on how we shouldn’t simply cancel a whole entire person as if there is no room for penance and reformation. That we should understand the full context and not be quick to judge. The “might borrow” bit is an allusion to the likelihood of me quoting Ethan and cannot be equated to having no brain nor the faculty to discern/think. But you know, if you apply that blanket statement of yours on borrowed knowledge, all our thoughts and actions are just borrowed/nurtured from what we were exposed to and/or have learned overtime. Anyway, I hope you will have better days :)
cielogy bro what was that person on about... all you did is say i like the way you said that it made sense to me and aligns with my beliefs 😭😭 how is this political?.????
The way the art community handled this situation just reminds me of the way people in politics handle drama/controversy. It's all a combination of rash assumptions, over generalizations, destroying people's careers with mob mentality, lack of research, lack of evidence, no objective information, biases, emotionally charged opinions, etc.
Tbh the art community being kind of toxic is why I hesitate to put my work out there. I really can't be bothered dealing with people with ego's bigger than Texas.
@@whatteamwildcats4033 it's toxic in general, I'm pretty sure every existing community is toxic, and that's just fucking sad. (That's why I only have a small group of art friends online.) I'm in uni rn so I don't really spend a lot of time online nowadays anyway Also, don't be scared about putting your works out there if you don't intend to plagiarize without credit, also be careful about people tracing over your works xD
@@8ri1 ew how low must your standard be for this guy to even be close to being remotely beautiful, let alone on Disney actors level ? Fanboys truly are blinded
"If you've thought of it, somebody else probably did too." That was the first thing I heard about art. Which makes it easier to find references. Thank you collective humanity.
I enjoy Inktober a lot, but when this started blowing up, I pulled away because of the community's reaction. I don't know a lot about Alphonso but I do agree that the information in his book isn't unique. I do however think that the way Parker's book is organized has way too many coincidences with Alphonso's especially compared to the other art books. But like Ethan says though, the community response is concerning. This year especially has had a lot of polarizing events involving people from all walks of life. The internet has become the court of public opinion. It's a lot like a modern day witch hunt. People are unforgiving and jump to accusations without proof, and anyone's career or life can be destroyed by mob mentality. It's nearly impossible to have any sort of civil conversation on serious topics, and pray you never make a mistake because people will attack you for it. I guess the only thing we can do is stick to "innocent until proven guilty" and try to reach out with intending to understand, instead of creating more conflict.
Jesus fucking Christ. You all are fucking plagiarising fucking EVERYTHING. At this point in the history and all brought up "rULeS": ALL. OF. YOU. ARE. FUCKING. THIEVES. And you can't change my mind, bye.
Nice story bro, I couldn't give a Damm about a irrelevant person such as yourself without even a profile pic to represent themselves, guess you really are nothing...
I’m not even in the art community but I keep getting recommended art drama among the art community 😂 Like I get recommend more from the art community then the beauty community, and I’m into the beauty community . The stuff I get recommended from them art community is wild 😂
It’s interesting that he equated his hard work with originality. 2 people in the same field learned, practiced and relayed the same information. Not shocked
Whites can't ever merge with blacks sorry, their bodies just aren't Compatible for each other, it hardly even happens in stupid fictional movies yet alone in real life
As a granny😂, a techie and an artist who draws digitally I want to let you know that your video was funny and entertaining but mostly very intelligent. It gives me hope for the future when I see younger people taking the time to assess the possible consequences of online actions. Good job! I will be watching more of your content for sure! (This is the first time I watch)
I noticed right away, and wonder if he ever cuts himself. What if he falls asleep while filming? I'm worried for him. I also noticed this video has more views than the original Dun accusation video
Dunn goes on about how long it took him to come up with 2, 3, and 6 step scales. Then blasts Parker for using them. Dunn totally glosses over the 9 step scale on the same page right under the 6 step. Then throughout Dunn's book he uses 4 and 5 step scales to draw. So does he lay claim to all these value scales, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 9? Its ridiculous.
@@livetochange974 to my knowledge, there's no speech condition that precludes one from speaking just one word, "idiot," or any other. Generally disabilities will affect the pronunciation of more words, not just one.
Except Tom DeLonge was right about UFOs so...pertaining to his general POV of course. Alphonso wasn't looking for a pattern, he was looking for a good read which happened to have word-for-word, page-to-page same layout. He feels it was a slap in his face.
Exactly, I can’t believe people in 2020 are claiming techniques and tools when everything’s been invented already and we are just copying every artist ever... that’s literally part of the artistic process... see, copy and repeat
another part of this is that people who have gone to art school in any form often teach these concepts with no text book or books only found in art libraries and if that knowledge is solely taught through oral and physical practice then you cant point to where you learned a technique. I would love to see if there are any people in art school now that can show examples of this.
they build onto each other tho, and conspiracy theory makes a better picture than confirmation bias, being that the first is more recognizable, understandable and commonly used than the latter. Sometime you gotta murder a bit of non damaging sense and reason to be a better spokesperson/entertainer. Its like swiftly breaking limbs to make a dynamic drawing, it does look better and the common person enjoying it will not perceive the "mistake", nor other artists who understand the thought process. Unless they're nitpickers, like you ;), no shame on it im annoying bout these things too.
But he's right that's a defining factor of conspiracy. Like the table analogy. If you're dead set that there's a table top you're gonna find anything to act as the legs to being that table into existence.
Not to mention Argument From Ignorance, just because he cant find a common source that they both could have drawn inspiration from or some other alternate explanation does not make his explanation the correct one.
Although I understand Dunn's frustration, I only wish he had confronted Jake with this first before going public, now they both have to deal with the backfire. Although Jake made a statement on instagram, I think he needs to address it on video too n state his opinions n then we can hear what he has to say n see if there's something there's some kind of logical explanation on his part. That being said, inktober is a community-based project and challenge, and people should still have the right to decide whether they want to participate or not. For anyone who wishes to skip inktober, that's fine but don't think that gives you the right to ostracize those who still enjoy it n wish to continue. Don't force your own agenda on others, you can state your opinions n act on them sure, but I'd prefer you not go on a witch hunt this upcoming October and patronize those who decide to still partake in it but as much as it dislike the thought, I can see that happening for sure.
How would they have settled it privately? Alphonso: "Hey JP, I see you have the same stuff in your book that I have in mine. Please stop publishing your book, thanks"??
@@popesuavecitoxii2379 it may have not been as straightforward as u describe it, but I still think direct communication is key. Even if there was a possibility that Jake disrespected n didn't agree to cooperate with Dunn to solve the problem, at least we can say that he tried to keep things private and professional like what Peter Han suggested he'd done. Granted, I can understand Dunn was frustrated n was seeking validation, but involving social media that has a toxic mentality of cancel culture is very risky n is often a messy situation for both sides whether you are at the right or wrong.
@@ishda1250 Ethan already addressed how there is really no "right way" to accuse someone of stealing, so save your condescending bullshit response for someone else, hun
@@syrusangi8743 Again, there is no way to accuse someone of stealing without negative repercussions. Jake, as a businessman, would've referred Alphonso to his lawyers or some legal department at the publishing company. It would make a hostile relationship between them regardless if it were public or private. Alphonso isn't responsible for the behavior of people online. Nowhere in his video did he say for people to attack Jake and "cancel" him. Jake already had a shaky reputation on social media to begin with. Had he not caused controversy before, there would be less vitriol towards him in the online community.
Alphonso should just sue every art school on Earth. Everything he's complaining about being his intellectual property is taught in every single intro to drawing courses in high schools and colleges all over the planet. I bet he invented cross-hatching too.
the thing is the book had way too many similarities. It's like seeing a someone copying 50 shades of grey or something and while the original author is complaining say that she didn't invented romance.
@@megan7788 i put a large half-satirical half-serious, at-times facetious reply here, with tons of very valid points, but i dont feel like giving naive people ammunition to go and apply to other situations. cancel culture is *redacted*, social justice warriors r *censored*, and most ppl lack the perspective that famous ppl r just in a different, very hard-earned career path that involves a mechanic of working towards socializing with large communities of people, and leading a personal brand. ppl used to think that heavy metal music was satanic because music sounds spooky when u play it backwards. ppl used to think gta did columbine. south park was dragged so hard for so long that it started satirically telling the network and viewers to cancel it. at the same time *theres a good chance* none of that applies to the inktober issue but no one wants to even risk inspiring naively-immoral cancel-hungry white knights. cancel culture might just fuck itself which most of us desperately want. but it might happen at the cost of staying away from other issues because no one wants to stir up an ignorant lynch mob. so basically, cancel culture is hopefully cancelling cancel culture but cancel culture is so belligerently stupid that its directly impeding the possibility of addressing actual injustices.
@@megan7788 I wouldn't agree. This process of learning (the order in which those topics are described) I have in like 3 or 4 other books one even older than me (I'm 22) so I guess both of them plagiarized... also looking at the wording part - in how many ways can you say a word "line"? It's very difficult to just look at those books in a video and say if that is plagiarism or not. From what I understand based on my knowledge from my university - no Jake is clear since all he uses is a common knowledge. The only thing that can be against him is the wording but not only on chapter names but generally in text. If there is no more similarities in wording other than titles of chapters then me and my lecturers see this as a clean no. (Yes we like taking this type of stories and analyse them)
@@KiMiRi4you exist thousands of books describing the same thing, historical, academical and none of them have pages, after pages that look almost identical WITH iqual paragraphs on top, written by someone who' apparently owns the book he "allegedly" copied from. Don't try to minimize the subject, and even the word line can be worded in a way that is your own. Nobody is arguing that what is being teached came before, the details in the way you approach those subjects make them personal or ripped off. Otherwise there wouldn't be any lawsuits with similar reports
Andrew Loomis books are out of print since a long time, and he past away in 1959 but one can get the free PDF here: www.alexhays.com/loomis/ your welcome ;-)
@@tymphiearts He doesn't care so much that his books are full of wildly complex and nearly incomprehensible diagrams. I had to find a blog post to explain one of them to me, because he does such a bad job teaching it on the page. I read one review of one of his books who said he was obviously just showing off that he could draw, since there were so few instructions in the book itself, then I find out he wrote a (by now long outdated) book on career illustration that's nearly 300 pages long, and most of that is text.
Sadly, if Alphonso wants to sue Jack over plagiarism. He will needs to sue every art school. All the similarities that Alphonso talked about I learn in 101 art class.
I'm a layout designer, so here is my take into his claims on the layout, and some highlight on how I usually work. Let's make it clear, it usually doesn't take a team to decide on the sizes of the fonts, I usually can do a layout design in a day, yes that would vary with experience and the amount of visual work, BUT, it's not the hardest thing ever, and he's using that as a way to be like, he stole layout because no one can replicate this. So, my other take on this is, if someone comes to me wanting to layout something, first I would ask them if they had a preference, and in this case as he showed earlier he was influenced with his work so he would have sent me or the designer that. Also, I would have researched other art books, which means there will be influences, and with that in mind, from an eye of layout designer, these look nothing alike, and I mean nothing. And I think the guy you referenced regarding the layout had the same line of thought, so anything layout related to me doesn't make sense. In general, I don't think this should have been made as a big deal, They both cover super basics, which are things I've seen over and over as an artist and a designer, and I've seen the 6 scale shading method before as well, and I'm going to research more. But even if he thought that him covering the same scopes and using the same examples is plagiarism, it's just what he did as well probably, saying probably because I'm about to compare it to newer ones. In general, people shouldn't attack anyway even with proof, honestly, not many of us are judges or meant to be judges, judging is such a hard job, so yeah. Edit: And I found the 6 steps hatching here, a 15 minutes search: www.flickr.com/photos/24009972@N08/2311913965/ Also, after looking at his cube texture examples, I remembered these in some architecture texture examples and exercises I saw other architecture design students make when we were in college. I mean I'm going to sit down and do a full on research, not to actually prove he stole, but to prove neither of them at this point can come up with something "new", especially when it comes to the basics.
Dan Nelson has an amazing video on crosshatching where he describes what is essentially a 6 step scale... that he uploaded 10 years ago to RUclips. super relaxing to watch. ruclips.net/video/AHoqh27vQRw/видео.html
When it comes to things like layout its really hard in my mind to prove plagiarism. We already have legal precedent in the US that pose and composition are not legally copyrightable, even in such cases where it can be said that the original artists work obviously influenced the work of the second. I cant take a picture of a basketball in a forrest and then turn around and claim that I now own all possible compositions of that particular idea. Even if I can prove without a shadow of doubt that no basketball in forest pictures existed before my photo, it would be blatantly absurd to suppose that something so simple can be invented and owned by one person in current year and for all time henceforth (thankfully the law agrees with this view). Of course my original photograph is my owned copyright still. My point is that firstly: if we take this guys claim of plagiarism as one hundred percent legal truth then we have just written precedent that would destroy copyright law in its entirety. For example there are only a finite number of ways one can (sensibly) make a Thanksgiving cookbook. If this became law then publishers would be doing absurd things like basically organizing their pages and the information on them in completely random order to try to avoid infringing on each others copyright. It would (with no exaggeration) quickly devolve into total collapse of the publishing industry. I think its been pointed out a hundred times already but this guy hardly invented 6 tone scales. People in his defense say that the books are for more similar in style and layout to each other than they should be. But that's legally a moot point as I've already pointed out as composition is not legally copyrightable. This guy as I see it has no leg to stand on and is either stupid or being malicious on purpose. I mean an easy example in art history is the entire impressionist movement in Paris France, where hundreds of artist by this guys definition where infringing on each others original ideas and layouts and compositions and so on for years on end. I get that he feels upset that the book on how to draw with pen has similar ideas to his, but he is clearly not thinking this whole situation through very carefully.
@@MaudMargretheRex Yep, I found everything they both covered everywhere before them. So I think him just claiming that this plagiarism is out of question. The problem now is that the online art community just shut off an art event and an artist for so reason at all.
@@ivan_says_hi I totally agree, and I think the same too. And as someone that layouts all the time, there aren't many ways to layout books in general, having the same elements aligned differently in all the books in the world is just impossible. So yeah, I agree, he's just using it to get at the guy, and he succeeded sadly. I think at one point he tried to peruse legal actions and his lawyer probably told him it won't work, so he went ahead and decided to just destroy the person using his influence and the internet.
I'm personally offended that every single illustration of a pen drawing a line is leaning to the right and at the same angle. That angle is copyrighted. And I'm a lefty.
Thank you! My god this is how I feel about this....it’s like dude I’ve seen the same “steps and processes” my ENTIRE LIFE through school and books and no one can own a damn pen swipe......
Hate to tell Alphonso; but, everything he was indignant about, I learned in art school using the same verbage. He is taking basic art principles and claiming them as his own. The line work part made me laugh out loud because I took architectural drawing in high school and the way to hold a pen when you are inking is absolutely basic. And the tools? Hello? Every one of them has been in use forever. His "complex block forms" is laughable since yet again that is a very basic drawing technique which has been taught for ages. Also, the material is presented in a logical way... Gee. What are the odds? But, I agree. The most valuable take away here is how we as a community react to such accusations. I once had some friends come to me indignant that another artist had posted a drawing which was extremely similar to a painting I had done. Turned out, we had used the same free reference photo for our pieces. And yet my friends were ready to go after him with pitchforks. We have to be less reactive and more responsible.
@@BeautifulEarthJa i wrote this along time ago and 100% honest i have no idea what you guys are mad about lol art is art art is expression art is collaborative art is communication doesnt matter if you're a nobody from a small town or a hot shot on youtube, imo, i find it a little funny when people try to copyright art fundamentals and video game mechanics because it goes against everything art is. but what do i know, i dont have any subscribers so my opinion isn't worth anything.
@@xPancakes4lyf art is art lol. that does not mean you go around copying people's work and calling it yours. and this is not even about a piece of artwork, its basically about a textbook produced by one person that was copied by another to be sold for money.
if you watched Dunn's video it was not the concepts that he said were plagiarized but actually the textual explanations and the layout. The basics of art can be explained by everybody but the sequence and wording of how Jake did it is blatant plagiarism.
Man, I can't believe Alphonso was the one who invented using spheres to demonstrate art techniques. Ig he's gotta make a callout for all those tumblr blogs and art tutorials that do the same thing
Not standing up for either party. But I suspect Alfonso is not just upset about the content, that most can agree have always existed in other books. Rather, I think the layout and order is what Alfonso feels have been plagiarized. I do agree on the team thing, and perhaps there are also trends on how visual layouts are designed by designers at moment. Like a textbook from 1995 will have different layout to a book from 2020, but 2015 and 2020 styles might be same due to trends in layout.
I was thinking the same! Like the pens in a similar position almost look like bullets for the words on the page. And are we getting mad that people used squares and circles? Those are our favorite basic shape to use as humans. We love circles and squares. How many art books use triangles or hexagons?
Ethan makes the point in the video that you can see how different artists creatively convey information. It shows how simpleminded people are that their first thought is "how else are you supposed to do it"?
People who say ‘don’t reference my art’ rlly bug me. Like do they not ref other people’s art? Do they not understand that it can help others find their style
"Then I'm thinking, why am I doing all this work? I got all of you to do the work for me" One day, I wanna be as powerful as Ethan to have my fans, underlings, and subs, to do some in depth investigative work over certain things.
and you know how crazy he can rally his follower to do something. thank god his doing it for good even tho he act like he doesn't care to all of us. His a like a father to all of us lol.
Alphonso saying that 'he copied the format' when they are both following the natural flow of learning and expanding on pen techniques... it's like saying someone plagiarised you for writing 1 2 3 4
i think it's the art community being so hell-bent on "you copied this you copied that" for things that doesn't make sense to say was stolen. I'm talking about people screaming composition/pose stealing and thinking everything they do is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo original it's so annoying.
Agreed. All those morons were willing to destroy a man's professional reputation over something that is clearly bullshit. Pretty much all books about art fundamentals are basically the same. Anyone who has ever taken an art class or read an art book should already know that
This is basic art skills. I’ve seen 20 books explaining the same ways to shade and cross hatch. It isn’t a new concept...scales are BASIC art knowledge. People who didn’t know were NEW to learning this.
I just dug through my homework from art class in high school and found pages of work that matches everything in this video. They’re obviously plagiarizing my art teacher, how dare they!! Mrs. P you deserve better!!!
No it's not. This is not about colors, shades or techniques. The argument is someone ripped off my book, with the same wording, illustrations, layout, content structure ++++
I understand he's upset about the layout and stuff, but like.... I swear I've seen this same general book layout in all my art books from school. Like this is a logical layout. It's like saying someone stole a crochet pattern of a sphere when there's only a limited amount of ways to crochet a sphere and if you make one, the pattern will be the exact same pattern has hundreds of other peoples' original sphere patterns. I'm not mad about it or anything. I just... -shrug- it's weird that people are freaking out and not just being like "nah I don't think so" and moving on with their lives or saying "yeah I agree - I'll just not do Inktober or buy the book" and moving on with their lives. Like this isn't a straight-up obvious tracing stealing making millions of dollars off something he didn't do any work on himself except rewording a few things. Just take it to court and let them decide how close it has to be to count. Jeez.
You can find all his earth shattering discoveries that he took months to figure out right here...over 600 examples www.pinterest.co.uk/penwiz404/alphonso-dunn-is-full-of-it/
The Internet in general has serious issues when it comes to thinking twice about accusations; People are not only unforgiving, but alarmingly easy to convince. It's literally guilty until proven innocent. What's worse, however, is that people believe that just because someone is guilty of something, it gives them the right to treat the "culprit" like shit. It doesn't. We're all still people, we all have feelings. Don't hurt others simply because you think you're in the right.
Yes, I have been hating how people are just so angry and unforgiven in the internet and, if or when they are proven wrong, they never backtrack. And these accusations last even if they are wrong.
agreed, people can act so shitty to the dumbest stuff, but it's important to remember the court of public opinion should not be held to the same standard of the court of law. innocent until proven guilty is only applicable to the latter, the side taking in the former gets annoying.
I’m from Italy and my teachers (so we are talking about people that studied i the 70s/80s) have been using that scale system to make us learn shading since forever 😂 everybody in the first/second year of art school had to replicate those squares. It’s literally the most basic stuff to do to learn how to do proper shading like great artists such as Michelangelo, Leonardo (people from the Renaissance lmao) , etc.. it’s like learning how the color wheel works...
The reason the pages align is because they are the first stages/ the basice to starting Art. I have a few books I brought 15 years ago and a few from 2 weeks ago and they are all similar the way they start and similar to these two books. Yes they are very similar but all art books are when discussing basics! It's all the other content I.e how they prefer to draw body parts, animals in a different style to others that may be of interest etc. that adds value to a book. We live in a age where almost everything has been done before it's not about copying its about making it better or easier than the person before with the new resources we have now that they didn't have then. And if you do find a niche that is brand spanking new well done to you!!! Now copyright it and don't tell anyone until you have done so!
I was sure I had seen a six level value scale in my art instructional books, but I have most of them packed ready for moving house, however one of the last ones I have out on my night stand is The Art of Chinese Brush Painting by Lucy Wang, first published in 2004, and right there on page 9 it has a six level value scale. It also has a materials list laid out a very similar format as Alphonse does in his book, how to hold and handle the brush, different brush strokes along with ink drawn pictures of a hand holding a brush and on page twelve the subject heading is "using basic strokes". I know it's a different medium, but these are all things I have seen in other art books or have heard from other artists long before RUclips even existed. Especially classes and books on the fundamentals of any sort of art they tend to follow the same progression and talk about pretty similar things within the same topic. Even some of the terms he seems to believe he coined are just the way I have heard artists describe the same fundamental techniques and topics always. I do think that it should be looked into and it could well be that Jake has done the wrong thing and should pay up, but to me it isn't an open and shut case based on the evidence so far.
I guess that the main point is not so much "6-value scale is my patented technology," but how it's another detail in a presentation that's more similar than average to other books showing the same things, as this video here has shown. If his assistants/editors really "studied" structures of other books, it seems not unlikely that the case can be made (maybe even in court) that Dunn's books were significantly more "inspiring" than most others, possibly legally problematically so.
@@petitio_principii I totally agree with that, and because Dunn has legitimate concern it definitely should be investigated. I just feel like even though Dunn said he isn't claiming to owning IP on basic techniques and theory he does spend an awful lot of time talking about how much time and effort he put into coming up with basic concepts like value scales, graded scales, contour lines and certain terms like those things are secrets nobody ever discovered before. I definitely think there are a few pages in Parker's book that definitely look like they were identical to the pages in Dunn's book, but some of them he would point and say "see, exactly the same" and I thought to myself uh, not really. Or he would say "I know that if I read the text it would contain the exact same content as mine" or "we can't see those pages but I know those are probably all my work too" and I just think that's disingenuous because he is presenting as fact something he has no way of knowing one way or the other. I don't think overstating his case is very wise, or going public without at least some legal advice and given how big it's blown up there is no way this is ever going to end in a handshake. If Parker is in fact caught out stealing he will face hefty consequences, if they find that there is no problem or that Dunn greatly exaggerated the there is no way he can just back down and say "oops, my bad" because he immediately chose to go public to a very large fan base with the most serious accusation you can throw at an artist and they aggressively ran to his defence. I think it would cost him very dearly. At the end of the day none of us are experts, we only have seen one very biased side of the story and have not even the ability to compare either book side by side. We don't even have the evidence at this point of Jake Parker's notes or past teaching plans/ resources etc. I wouldn't be willing to make a call either way based on anything so far, but given how big it has blown up I guess the truth will eventually come out.
Oh and your beauty dosent change the fact that how stupid your comment was, I'm still getting your insta though, gotta put your natural body in use and make you useful for once
It took me so long to decide on the number six! Me at 6 in school: Haha, six values go brrrr I still have that freaking drawing, funny enough I decided on six values because it was easy to divide shadows an light tones into 2 groups. He's talking like it was the most complex work of his life. Not saying he didn't have a point, just that he plagiarized my 6 y/o self.
@@anonymph4570 I should make a vid on how he plagiarized my work! It was really hard for a 6 year old to come up with the number 6! Is not like I had two groups, or that I don't like Asymmetry, or that 6 was my age. Not at all, I had to come out with that number using a super complex and hard way of thinking that funneled into... Fuck it, it's just a number xD
I get what you are saying. But on a serious note, the complexity is in finding that understanding of why it works. I don't know if the two artists have done so or not, but when he said he put in a lot of work, I imagine it being this. Get this: everything goes from being simple to complex and then back to being simple. The understanding has changed between the two simples (this is why art is so easy to make fun of by ignorant people when simple paintings of 3 blocks of paint are sold for millions of dollars - I am one of them). It is like einstein or newton (I don't remember or know if they even said it, I just read it somewhere that they did) that if you cannot explain a concept in very simple terms then you have not understood the concept enough.
@@vkjd4818 as far as I remember... It was Einstein who said it. While I agree, is not as you portrait it. While it might seem that you have to be stupid to not understand why a gross painting is worthy of a billion dollars, it's not that complex: It's simply not worthy. There's an entire enterprise behind that, and their business works better if we keep on thinking that if you're not going to afford a billion in something that looks weird, you're stupid. But... That's not the point. If you wanna know about it, there's a lot of people who already explained that scam. While, you're right by saying that something simple needs a lot of refining to do... It's not that weird to see people come up with it by pure accident. For example, the kind of motors used in jet engines were develop by a boy playing in his backyard, and the design changed so little that you can replicate a jet engine in your kitchen. For me is not that impressive to come up with that number, since I've seen that book he's referring to, and I can say that it was harder to me to use his value table than using the standard 7. Or even the standard 5. Overall, he's talking about it like it's the best method and took him a lot of work to come up with it, while from my perspective (And as far as I know, most books too) it basically ads nothing. It actually takes out one value xD
i remember a youtuber doing six value shading, basically cross-hatching and you add a direction for each step, so: white, vertical, previous + horizontal, previous + diagonal, previous + other diagonal, black
@@TheUbernuck Not quite the case. "Tribalism" as it's portrayed now in the media and common discourse isn't the normal, but it's the counter reaction to the artificial enforcement of "diversity". Tribalism when it's not inflamed is completely harmless. How you treat your family versus how you treat your friend's family is different. Is it evil or bad? Of course not, it's just different, it's normal. They are different people with different meanings to you and you to them. Sure you can expand tribalism to bigger groups and try to make it a "racist" thing, but it's still functionally the same. Minor reservations and reasonable assumptions which then change according to personal experiences (aka living life). Why it's gotten so bad is that people (generally unthinking masses of automatons) feel like they're being influenced, dislike it and respond in the opposite, but equal force to the manipulation. The really sad and depressing part is that too many of the automatons in vocal positions will think the solution is "more diversity" and more enforcement and it will inevitably result in unimaginable violence. The great human tragedy is that as a whole we are always just a little too dumb to know what's good for us (includes the intellectuals who came up with all of the forced diversity to begin with / Kalergi etc).
alphonso really makes himself sound like spongebob in the one episode where he had to write an essay, like "I need this to be absolutely genius, what should I say?" *hours later* "I got it!" *scribble* " 'The'! Now what else should I write?"
Then all the books with food recipes are plagiarism of each other. They use the same layout. You made a very correct and terrifying point. Public opinion (the opinion of those who were not asked) is like an asphalt paver rolling down the road.
No the books with food recipes would not be plagiarism of each other unless they looked exactly the same and used. This is not about the techniques per se, but how the book was copied almost page by page. Same wording, illustrations, layouts, exact same content. Rewatch this video please.
@@waxmaster-c M8 its hard to say that when Dunn is 1. Going off a video where it's difficult to properly parse through the other book and 2. The nature of fundamentals means that... its really hard to deviate the layout. A book with food recipes is a poor comparison to this instance because recipes are self-contained, while art fundamentals are linked concepts. You can learn to bake a strawberry cake and cook a turkey in whichever order you want but you still have to learn what tools you need and how to sketch before you move on to coloring and lighting
this makes no damn sense. even if they have the same layout they are different recipes therefore not copied and not plagiarized. same layout is not plagiarism; same ideas and teachings are.
@@strangerdaysss but basic concepts like genre tropes in books are not possible to have copyright, they are basic and tropes for a reason, that reason being that will exist in most or all material talking about the subject.
@@bluester7177 if same LAYOUT is plagiarism then so many movie/films/poster/covers/etc. would be plagiarizing right and left as they almost all have the same exact layout with different characters/people/sceneries/objects in the same exact "layout". this is comment thread starters logic, which makes no damn sense.
Honestly when I watched Alphonso’s video I was thinking “how can you try and claim that you created basic shading and texturing” .. like the spheres and whatnot are what you learn in high school.
You are using one example to throw down the garbage a 50 minute video...like come on, either sides, Jake Parker's and Alfonso Dunn's have been super sus. Give credit to the guy, he has obviously done a great job since Jake Parker praises him, it's not easy to create impactful images and put words on something that feels so spontaneous to a lots of drawer, so props to him. And yes I have seen furry ball or something somewhere at my art classes, so it's not new.
really? thats all you got from that entire video?? so the similarities in the step by step contents didnt strike a chord for you, its something that he didnt even claim that struck a chord. just...wow
Jagielski Gaming See that is where you are wrong. The Inktober cave paintings were, just like any other cave painting, inspired by the daily life. That means they got inktober from aliens
I was thinking exactly the same 🤷 all art schools teach the same techniques, my drawing exercises from when I studied look the same as this books pages. Nobody invented anything.
I have that one old book Peter Han showed and many others, with the same stuff inside... even an old "how to draw manga" with the SAME stuff in it, because.... thats what you learn, when you draw with pen and pencil... its no witchcraft XD I teach that stuff since 10 years... Fuzzy balls... I have old data of that stuff on pinterest FOR YEARS xD 3 steps value... like that stuff we learn in art school? There was nothing new in this books... I knew all that stuff from dA, pinterest, youtube, school. For a manga "person", this stuff is not new. xD You can see the technices in every manga comic book.
@@lien-san3347 yes but the thing is it's dumb to begin with if all artist learn things the same way there will be similar techniques shown throughout time of the same ideas ESPECIALLY something as simple as shading and line work hell this Dunn dude has drawings similar to others in this very video am i saying he plagiarized them? no i am not but what i am saying is it doesn't take a genius to figure this shit out it's fricking basic drawing techniques. i don't know either of these artist and i don't care but this whole situation is just stupid and i think they need to squash it for both their sakes as it just makes them both look bad
@@theninjamaster67 Dude Jake EXPLAINS the same things in the same ORDER with somewhat the same WORDS(synonyms) and even the same concept IMAGES! Coincidence? NO cause it's a fact that he bought Dunn's books so.....Why not just say he was inspired by Dunn? because he is a Thief! remember the Inktober's Lawyers attacking people last year, do you really think he is a good person? lol
@@lien-san3347 as I said I have no clue who either of these artist are and I don't care because this whole situation is stupid you can't just say you own such simple concepts so personally I hope if they take this to court that they both get nothing as there is nothing groundbreaking or new in either of their books also generally the book layout is usually up to the publisher so even if the dude read the other artist book blame should also fall mostly on the publisher
Honestly, considering they both are inspired by people before them, and people before them through people before them and so on... there is no winning on this whole 'plagiarism' thing beside shutting down everyone ability to make tutorial.
everything mentioned in both books and in almost the exact order was taught to me and many others in school. It's ludicrous to say that Alphonso invented these. he thinks he did because he haven't seen someone else do them before. if an art teacher on the other side of the world knew about the 6 scale 16 years ago then i doubt he invented anything. Plagiarism is to make an exact copy of something not have something similar
plagiarism is much more than making an exact copy of something. it can be as simple as not giving credit to the original creator (i.e. taking credit for someone else's work) even if you've reworded/repackaged it
The "6" step one is basically the 5 steps from the other books with an added white square to it XD and he made it sound like he invented it. If I had with me all my notes and sheets from my art school days (in the 90's) I could have found all of those examples.
To be fair tho, that wasn't found in any other book, tho I get your point it seems trivial. I wonder tho, to a teacher maybe some other technicalities are also kept in mind? yeah but idrk
I agree, I did quite a few of those exercises when I was at school, let's not pretend like these aren't all well known exercises that have been passed from artist to artist since the times of Leonardo and Michelangelo..
@@projectnaiad4534 Agreed, but as it's been said 6 wasn't in any other book. Alphonso points out how insignificant this seems as well, but the fact remains nobody else did it. Combine this with everything else and it's looking pretty rough for Jake =/
Let's sum this drama up: "OMG I made a book about art, you made one too and you dared to show basic art stuff in it that I showed too beacuse its BASIC art stuff! You must have stole it from me!" I love the art community, it can be so dumb and petty.
I mean, even before drama this petty is common in the art circle. Although back then it's more about who has the superior drawing style or art medium, but yeah the same thought.
I have received threats because I did fan art...they claimed I plagiarized the art even though I captioned the character's name and the show it came from...true the art community is filled with idiots.
Went to an art hs then studied art in college, everything Alphonso is teaching is stuff taught in school and almost in the same way. Boxes of gradients, boxes of different types of textures, etc is stuff you had to do for hw and stuff. Nothing he showed was truly original. Thats with almost every "how to draw book". The ONLY problem i see is the layout of the book.
It’s less about the information but rather the way it’s being delivered. Jake literally took the exact image/info Alphonso delivered and swapped a few words. That’s why Alphonso has such an issue with it
This is exactly, yes. I absolutely agree with this. How can something be plagiarism if it's common knowledge. The way it's delivered could be similar but we're people, people can have the same friggin idea. It's the same as writing an essay from a book you read, the info is the same and so might be the delivery, it doesn't mean you copied anything.
Thank you!! I agree with this 100% And while I agree the order is rather similar and suspicous, obviously the layouts between the two would end up more similar than the older books as the older books are seemingly more written work than illustrated and going into more detail while their books seem more centered on a quick read with basic (again highschool level) tips and heavy on illustration. And as mentioned I have seen at least 90% of these tips on instagram/tumblr and school work sheets. At the end of the day none of this is original thought, its common knowledge
@@seirierialk502 the whole video kind of showed that most other books delivered the same kind of stuff but in different arrangements and often using different wordings. By your line of argument, one could just pretty much pick, say, Scott Robertson's book, just rephrase and redraw everything, but keep the same structure, everything, and it wouldn't be plagiarism. _"How to Draw: drawing and sketching objects and environments from your imagination"_ becomes _"Drawing: how to draw and sketch environments and items that you have imagined."_ The imagined vehicle on the cover has an extra pair of wheels and is more rounded or squarier, so it's okay. Having said that, I'm not on any "bandwagon," or yet, I'm on the "I'm not sure how I'd handle that myself, to be honest, both the plagiarism and the denunciation seem somewhat troublesome to different degrees" -bandwagon.
The points you made in the video, in particular the main point of the video at the very end, speaks volumes about one of the ongoing issue that's honestly at the forefront of what's holding humanity back in this modern age from utilizing it's collective consciousness to its fullest. I'm thankful that someone went out of their way to speak on it.
@Mara Bumbuc Not just this video either, but a majority of RUclips videos in general have comments on them where people seem to only be able to resort to joking or teasing one another. I'm not saying we shouldn't allow ourselves to not take things so seriously all of the time but it seems it's a go to for a large portion of reactions I've seen to detach themselves from directly reacting to topics if it's too serious and demands from them a version of themselves that they're not comfortable consulting. This could be from a number of reasons though and I don't necessarily blame the individual for it. Still, it means standing up for your inner and most sincere thoughts may be too much trouble than it feels worth for a lot of people when they're not the ones with a stake in the matter.
@@esmerillia You're right in that there's a lot of factors at play, but I think one of the biggest ones for most people is that it's unfortunately just too much work to get involved for something that doesn't directly involve them. That can be said for any issue and not just this incident, sadly.
@Mara Bumbuc Yeah that's why I said that and it sucks to see because a lot of people only see at surface level or just see it as art community drama and brush it off.
It could be argued Dunn plagiarized Emilio Freixás "Lecciones de dibujo artístico" ("Lessons on Artistic Drawing") first published in 1947. It shows the same learning structure and eerily similar example drawings.
I think he is more pissed that basically all the layout of the book is the same, but yeah both books just go to Basic stuff that if you go to art school everyone will tell you the same stuff...
@@bepinkfloyd814 the chapter names, pacing, page layouts, the example illustrations and style of drawings are completely different between both books. What's similar are the fundamentals of drawing which will look similar. They are similar in these books as well. When teaching the basic fundamentals there cannot be really any deviation on how they are taught. These are a few books and artists that follow the same structure of teaching with similar concepts. Drawing with pen and ink by Arthur L. Guptil published 1930 How to draw in Pen and Ink by Susan Meyer and Martim Avillez published in 1985 Pen and pencil techniques by Harry Bergman published 1989 Drawing pencil techniques by David Lewis published 1984 The Art and Technique of pen drawing by G. Montague Ellwood published in 1927, reissued 2003 Drawing in pen and ink by Claudia Nice published in 1997 Creative pen and ink techniques by Ian Sidaway published in 2001 Pen and Ink Techniques by Paulette Fedard published in 1992. Complete book of drawing and painting by Mike Chaplin published 2004. Dynamic bible by Peter Han 2016
We’ve gotten to the point in art theft where we’re “stealing fundamentals”. Did DaVinci and Picasso not have a six-step scale? Or other pen and ink artists? What did artists do centuries before this book was written?
people jumping on Parker cannot even agree on what they think he did wrong. Some say Parker's book is a 1 to 1 copy of Dunn's. Which is absolutely false and impossible. When the full pages are compared next to each other they are completely different. Then some believe Parker copied Dunn's techniques and structure of teaching. These accusations show a lack of art understanding, academic teaching, and history. A technique is not unique to anyone. Realism, impressionism, abstract, cartoony, etc are techniques. Within Dunn's own book the techniques switch up between very basic to more detailled. The structure of both Dunn's and Parker's book follow the same logical progression as the majority of art instructional books. There are basically two kinds of art instruction books. The more academic style of following the progression of skills and then the kind where artists do a personal take. They show their method skipping over the basics and do a more paint/draw by the numbers/steps. Dunn and Parker go the more academic route. So of course the progression will be similar. They are going over the basic fundamentals. The thing is Dunn's whole book is lessons. While only a small section of Parker's goes over the fundamentals. The beginning of Parker's book goes over the history of inking and great inkists of the past. Then goes over the fundamentals of drawing/inking, using new illustrations and some from past inktobers. Then it talks about inktober and art. How is that a copy of Dunn's book? When faced with these indispensable facts people still want to claim Parker copied. They don't want to have an actual conversation and be intellectually honest.
You don't get it. It's not a about the techniques themselves, but how he created the book. He has copied the same words, illustrations, layout, content structure and so on.
@@waxmaster-c Welp, I guess my professor copied all of this then. She's been teaching the same way for fourty years, but she definitely copied this mans work given that I learned basically all of this in exactly the same order and content structure with 'eerily similar' illustrations and descriptions. The structure is literally just the logical way to teach. Her hand drawn and photocopied explanations/worksheets all have a similar layout. But no, she definitely copied this man.
@@waxmaster-c The words we use depend heavily on the era we live. If you look at titles in artbook from hundreds of years ago it will not be the same as now. At the time they spent so much time to describe and explain every little things, now we need to summarize everything. The mindset, vocabulary and trend are not the same. It's the same with drawings, at the time they'd do very detailed drawings to explain anatomy for example with ink and sepia pencils (now there are more pencils), the drawing styles were the same too. But does it mean they plagiarized each other? I don't think so
Nah, now his thing is 40-30 min deep dives into drama. He got it right lol (Dk why, but I think my comment sounded kinda rude? Lol, just to clarify, I love d'angelo's old and new format, so ye)
@@Trebinhas well on his MAIN CHANNEL ( although I think he said that his second is now his main... ) he does the 10 min videos (when is say main channel I mean og one) on the second channel he does the documentary expose style videos that are really long
I'm not usually a fan of your persona (that doesn't matter, it's just not my style.) But I dig when you get real and minimize the intensity of the persona. Good work, good message. Keep doin' you man!
The 6 box thing doesn't surprise me because in advanced art at my school, when we learned hatching, we actually used the 6 box scale. It's not like he invented it, it's a real thing 😂
almost every single example given by alphonso in terms of illustrations and descriptions to accuse jake of plagiarism, i have found in art books i checked out from the library as a kid. this situation baffled me when i first heard about it, i couldn't believe he was really trying to accuse him of plagiarism over an illustration of how to hold a pencil properly. like, cmon dude. TONS of books that teach you to draw have a section on how to properly hold your pen/pencil.
When i first heard about it , I could only remember a chapter in the book of Hellen Keller where she accidentally plagiarized something thinking that she wrote it for herself. The condition is called cryptomnesia in which a forgotten memory returns in a way the person thinks it's new. That's most probably the case here.
Maybe We shouldn't forget that a book like that has plenty of people working on it Everything from the layout to the words used must have gone through several stages of development worked on by several people, which makes it way easier to come to a point that it's hard to pin point where sth went wrong
His point was specifically to reiterate '30 seconds' and what a short amount of time that is. And in less than a minute, to still catch multiple instances of glaring similarities. See: Angry Joe '4 HOURS'
the gist of this situation imo is: neither person is 100% "innocent", people on the internet are stupid and can't form their own opinions on things nor can they stay out of it, people love to hate on products that haven't even come out yet, and even popular artists can act immaturely sometimes. as much as i think the plagiarism claims are a reach, it's also disappointing to see everyone turning on alphonso now that someone expresses a different opinion on the situation. like that's exactly what you're NOT supposed to do - switch sides drastically based on other people's perspective. people should just mind their own business if they can't bother to look at something objectively and do their own research. and the james charles comparison is perfect in this case. oh also, i love how people are like "you can't own inktober, it's a community thing" and then contradict themselves by saying "you shouldn't participate in inktober because you're supporting JP". i understand not participating because you don't feel comfortable and can't separate JP from inktober, but telling people two contradicting statements and making a huge drama out of something like this is not the way to go. maybe I'm just not a drama person, but i think this kind of stupid sudden backlash encourages people not to think for themselves and to keep hurting artists(or any victim of james-type drama) until it crosses the line and it's too late to save said victim. also also, 80% of the comments are about people thinking you look like pewdiepie and I'm loving it
I agree with the people not thinking for themselves thing. They don’t come up with their own conclusion. They hear what they wanna hear and ignore what they don’t. Then they try and cancel someone.
Meanwhile i don't neccessaryly done inktober every year because i get lazy lol... So i never done inktober at all Yeah, outside of the drama... But yeah it's petty
I unironically thought Alphonso's video was sarcastic especially with the fundamental techniques claim. Turns out it was not. Don't know if people are indeed so gullible or get a hard on when they can push someone into the mud
What is scary af to me is that normally I wouldn't give a damn about this sort of thing. I have been taught similar things by various art teachers throughout my life... and here I am, feeling the pressure to have AN OPINION, like it even matters? Like wft? Go... draw... have fun... get a life... isn't that what it supposed to be about?
@@tasya_nabila I should've been harsher tbh. People like OP love to sit on the sidelines, watch a conflict and complain as though they're "being forced" to pick a side. You are not out in the streets, you are on the internet. Grow up.
@@tasya_nabila I accept that. But why not just honour your feelings and gtfo? He can't cope with his conscience so he resorts to being a disingenuous crybaby all while trying to diminish someone else's situation. Very annoying but typical.
Hear me out here: After you mentioned that Jake might have a team behind the book, it made me think about movies. When a person is presenting their movie idea to the group of people who are going to help them make it, sometimes the company will ask “what kind of movie do you want this movie to remind people of”. Take for example, Broke Back Mountain took good influence from Titanic. From the poster to the story (somewhat). Do you think that the team that helped Jake make his book asked this question? Since Jake liked Alphonse’s book, maybe he said that he wanted his book to resemble Al’s. Now, you can get away with that sort of stuff in Hollywood, but literature is another thing and that’s important to note. It’s up to you whether you believe that concept in itself is plagiarism or just good advertisement. The problem with the possibility that Jake did say this is that the team took it too far and pretty much straight copied some stuff. This is just a theory based off of what I know, it’s probably not right, but I felt like this needed to be said. Edit: I just saw the end of the video, yeah the idea of the team choosing mode books sounds reasonable.
"Guys, guys, guys, it took me SO LONG to come up with the number 6. People will say 'that's so simple I could do it' yeah but you didn't" is this guy serious? 😒😑😑
Don't! I can't even believe he said that. 'it's ingenious' 'The hundreds of hours put into coming up with the number 6' If you didn't know the situation you would think this is some kinda parody/satire rant 😂 Guy seriously has some narcissistic/god complex 🙄
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The James Charles comments did not age well...
they DEFINITELY did not.
Glad I am not the only one watching this recently
lmao trueee
quick rundown?
So true dude, so true
I bought this book from Andrew Loomis and he’s also clearly a copycat of Ethan. This has to stop. All art belongs to Ethan. Let’s stop pretending otherwise
DON'T YOU EVER THINK ABOUT DOING ART! 🔪🚬
@@cmd0113 NEVER EVER!
hahaha i like how these two stickers are enough 😂🔪🚬
PREACH!!!
It's Ethan who's copying his art method you idiot, Andrew Loomis came way way before ethan, stop comparing a childish you tuber "teacher (ahaha)" to an actual professional with useful tips
there’s literally an art book called Steal Like an Artist the describes how it’s nearly impossible to have a 100% original idea in an over saturated market and the only way to keep creating at a profitable pace is to borrow enough good ideas from other people but tie them all together with what makes your creation unique. very insightful book beyond just art
i started learning how to produce my own music and I was so stressed because I didn't want to make a song that was similar to another one out there. then I remembered music genres exist.
i would highly recommend you watching kesh's video about this controversy and his video about steal like an artist.It has everything you will ever need
I just saw this book today at fed ex LOL. Yes exactly! If you study art history you can see how each movement was built upon one another or even evolved from another. Every aspect of design is like that.
right, even the students of masters used to paint like the master, but nobody got flogged for plagiarism.
"When you steal art from one guy you're a thief, steal it from 10 people and you're an artist."
As someone who is new to seeing your content, the handling of the knife and enthusiastic slapping/ head bobbing while it is pointing at your face has me alarmed but no one else is freaking out so I assume this is a regular thing.
He usually also has a broken cigarette in his mouth lolol
How idiotic and frail are you to be scared of a you tuber pointing knife at a camera? I truly will never understand how your brains fonction on this channel
Yes, pretty normal for this channel.
@@livetochange974 quote me for where I said I was scared and for where I said I was scared of them pointing a knife at the camera?
skellyaart Instagram - I am the truth and there’s no need to be that rude dude lol
Ethan Becker - "cancel the product, counsil the individual"
Christians - "Hate the sin not the sinner"
Look who's plagiarizing now Ethan!
*gasp*
Preposterous!
Furthermore, alot that is in the holy book comes from pagan religions anyways.
lmaooooo
Even your parent plagiarismed the idea of having child from Adam and Eve lmfao :D
d'angelo wallace and ethan becker will merge into the ultimate person: d'ethan wallecker
and ethan's emotions and d'angelo's lack thereof cancel each other out
why is this so funny to me damn u got me
YASS
This name is beyond cursed, I love it
But it will be too powerful for this world. It will destroy it.
“Cancel the product, council the person” is SUCH a perfect way to describe how cancel culture should be handled
Should we cancel the cancel culture?
@@antares3030 not original kid I've already heard that 532 times by now, not surprised when you open your big mouth nothing logical comes out of it
Edit: when slander becomes the tool of a loser, you know you've lost the argument before even stepping in the discussion so avoid humiliating yourselves any further, I'm being worried about your social reputation
@@antares3030 Don't listen to them, their a troll. I like your comment
Cancelling cancel culture is just cancel culture with extra steps
What's "cancel culture"?
People have mentioned how you can discover the same idea and not realize that its been done before. I just wanted to mention a little story of mine. When I was younger, the how to draw books I had were of anime and a couple of watercolor books about fairies and dragons. So, nothing really about actual fundamentals, or books for drawing with graphite or charcoal, nothing like that. But I drew this really bad pegasus drawing, and I wanted it to be black. So, I ended up using my fingers to smudge and blend and make the pegasus all dark. And as a little kid, I thought I was this genius, discovering that you can smudge and blend with your fingers. Obviously, as I grew older, I discovered that this is a technique done before countless times. I know that its not much, but I just wanted to further add to this idea, that you can discover something yourself, but its already been done before.
Little story from my side. Im studying design and we had to do a tean Project. We came up with this really good idea but changed our mind along the way. The next semester this exact idea is being used by another team ( in combination with something else). So we thought that someone stole our idea or listened to us when we talked about it in the planning phase. We had some wild theories about this. Turns out not only did they start at the same time with this project as we did, we talked with the Professor about this ( not snitching we just talked about it on accident) and he said he is hearing this exact idea every year from new people.
Yeah, I've had this happen too. When I was little I was really into the idea that 'oh i'm gonna make countries into characters and make them interact like real countries do, except ppl!1!1!1!'
and then i grew up a little and found out hetalia existed
Yeah so basically it's a more complicated story of 90% of cases "discovering" masturbation. It exists but you can find out about it without being told.
Truee
Same here 😂 I thought using tooth brush to create speckled dust effect was something I discovered back in 1997. But, later in life I realised that it’s been done. 😂😂😂
When Alphonse started to claim the SIX SHADED BOXES as his I literally laughed. I was taught the box thing in art class in elementary school. Fundamentals are fundamentals and cannot be copied.
I said he decided to use six, not that he was the first to use shade boxes. ugh.
@@BeautifulEarthJa Nope six boxes was showed at school. He might of taken a lot of time deciding on 6 just how I took a lot of time discovering certain color theory rules. I made up a new method that no other teacher taught then I saw someone post a video about it. Here is the thing, art as been build on for generations. Alphonse is just a crybaby mad that his ideas are not original. The reality is, being original is impossible. To answer his question, Why do simple things no get invented if they are so obvious to us. Its because the inventions have a start. They cant be in existence forever especially since inventions rely on other inventions. And lets not forget that many people can invent the same thing while being across the globe without realizing it
@@bobsteven2363 lol. so cause your school used 6 boxes means that's the standard? gtfoh
@@BeautifulEarthJa no, but it does mean that the 6 boxes shit isn't wholly Alphonse's original idea
@@BeautifulEarthJa A lot of ppl ALL AROUND THE WORLD use 6 shaded boxes, so yes, it is the "standard"
I clicked on this vid thinking "why is PewDiePie talking abt inktober"
i thought it was pewds too
Same >
me too lol
Me too
I thought it was just mee
I cannot believe my art professors plagiarized all of these, dropping out of school ASAP
WHAT?
WOAAAAAH! MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT IT!
Pretty sure your art professors are working on teaching, not just selling you books. If all they do is selling you ink drawing books that match the books discussed to a T, yes, drop out of school and just order them from amazon.
@@verybarebones it was a joke. 😑😒
I don't know... From the sounds of things, your professors might be onto something if they're teaching about fuzzy balls... SO take that into consideration first. K? ;o)
My opinion on the matter is that James Charles definitely, 100% plagiarized Jake Parker's Inktober palette.
This is the real tea
Ajajajaj the best xD
Thought you were gonna say Jake Paul's. XD
🤣🤣
😆
What i've learned from this video:
Andrew Loomis doesn't care
too much of a legend to care
@@conradpierce8994 his art balls are too big to be phased
ME: Wait, it's all fuzzy balls?
ETHAN *aiming pistol*: Always has been.
And you people call this funny? Ethan becker comment section is really the peak of childish entertainment
@@livetochange974 this is bizarre. You're hanging out in the channel more than any of his actual fans lol
@@livetochange974 I'm not gonna sit here and let you insult ME and MY ORIGINAL joke that I came up with ALL BY MYSELF!!!
@@angelbabytanner how long it took you for that fucking naked sherlock ?
skellyaart Instagram - I am the truth
Ah, you must be a fan of his.
TLDW/Lesson of the video: "Just because you can't see the answers to a problem does not mean the answer doesn't exist." 34:51
I read this comment while he said that. Spooky 👻
@Mara Bumbuc ok smart ass , you want me to thank for your perspective on his answer?
skellyaart Instagram - I am the truth
oh god its you again
I like this bit: “cancel the product, counsel the individual” 👌 nicely put that I might borrow this. 😅
Go borrow a brain while you're at it, sad when today's children can't think for themselves and always have to copy/follow what they are being told like little obedient kids, no wonder why most college students are idiotic liberals and mostly rioting in blm, they can't think for themselves like you, you controlled brat
@@livetochange974 lmao I hope you're doing good today
skellyaart Instagram - I am the truth:
I do not understand what you’re getting pressed for.
For someone who claims to be the truth (are you the way and life too?), you didn’t even bother to verify why I made that comment and went ahead to judge and form your imagined truth. Your hasty generalizations are really something :)
My comment was simply lauding the commentary of this RUclipsr on how we shouldn’t simply cancel a whole entire person as if there is no room for penance and reformation. That we should understand the full context and not be quick to judge.
The “might borrow” bit is an allusion to the likelihood of me quoting Ethan and cannot be equated to having no brain nor the faculty to discern/think. But you know, if you apply that blanket statement of yours on borrowed knowledge, all our thoughts and actions are just borrowed/nurtured from what we were exposed to and/or have learned overtime.
Anyway, I hope you will have better days :)
Dude, we can sell statement shirts with this quote. ;)
cielogy bro what was that person on about... all you did is say i like the way you said that it made sense to me and aligns with my beliefs 😭😭 how is this political?.????
The way the art community handled this situation just reminds me of the way people in politics handle drama/controversy. It's all a combination of rash assumptions, over generalizations, destroying people's careers with mob mentality, lack of research, lack of evidence, no objective information, biases, emotionally charged opinions, etc.
Yeah it really reminds of the beauty community too.
Tbh the art community being kind of toxic is why I hesitate to put my work out there. I really can't be bothered dealing with people with ego's bigger than Texas.
@@whatteamwildcats4033 it's toxic in general, I'm pretty sure every existing community is toxic, and that's just fucking sad. (That's why I only have a small group of art friends online.)
I'm in uni rn so I don't really spend a lot of time online nowadays anyway
Also, don't be scared about putting your works out there if you don't intend to plagiarize without credit, also be careful about people tracing over your works xD
dude u just explained the human society, its not exclusive to the art community
I came all over myself to this comment thank you
ethan im sorry you're too expressive you could never be d'angelo wallace
Ikr he’s such a Disney princess 🤢
Ethan isn’t nearly ridiculously handsome enough to be D’Angelo. Have you seen that man’s glowing, angelic skin?
@@8ri1 ew how low must your standard be for this guy to even be close to being remotely beautiful, let alone on Disney actors level ? Fanboys truly are blinded
@@livetochange974 EEEWWWWWWWW ITS A ROACH!!
@@aaronhamric7679 period
The confidence to call himself ART is the power play of the art community
He's worst than a average artist, let alone a professional
@@livetochange974 maam what
@Lil RE perfect retort for a (not gonna stoop down on your level with a poorly written insult, bye)
agreed XD But I don't even question it.
Dionysian energy
"If you've thought of it, somebody else probably did too."
That was the first thing I heard about art.
Which makes it easier to find references.
Thank you collective humanity.
Things to take away from this: -Andrew Loomis does NOT care!!!
-Layouts are creepy
-stop wearing Tshirts (boring)
-hide the children
Hide your wives, and hide your husbands...
@@naomivillachica9503 🤣🤣🤣
What about black hats? Im no longer wearing mine... BOOOORING
Andrew Loomis really wrote an art techniques book that doesn’t teach art techniques 😳
@@mink5251 not really, you can have a look at he out of print books for free here: www.alexhays.com/loomis/
Your welcome ;-)
I enjoy Inktober a lot, but when this started blowing up, I pulled away because of the community's reaction. I don't know a lot about Alphonso but I do agree that the information in his book isn't unique. I do however think that the way Parker's book is organized has way too many coincidences with Alphonso's especially compared to the other art books.
But like Ethan says though, the community response is concerning. This year especially has had a lot of polarizing events involving people from all walks of life. The internet has become the court of public opinion. It's a lot like a modern day witch hunt. People are unforgiving and jump to accusations without proof, and anyone's career or life can be destroyed by mob mentality. It's nearly impossible to have any sort of civil conversation on serious topics, and pray you never make a mistake because people will attack you for it.
I guess the only thing we can do is stick to "innocent until proven guilty" and try to reach out with intending to understand, instead of creating more conflict.
Jesus fucking Christ. You all are fucking plagiarising fucking EVERYTHING. At this point in the history and all brought up "rULeS": ALL. OF. YOU. ARE. FUCKING. THIEVES. And you can't change my mind, bye.
Nice story bro, I couldn't give a Damm about a irrelevant person such as yourself without even a profile pic to represent themselves, guess you really are nothing...
The information obviously isn't unique. The way it's presented on the other hand...
@@antares3030 what information? Care to elaborate
I’ll probably still do inktober, maybe I won’t post it though.
I thought only the beauty community was into drama, glad to know it exists in art as well
Yo man, how you doin in this quarantine?
I'm surprised that I'm surprised seeing you here.
@@lily9652 me too
But i am here too so thats ehhh😂
Just Some Guy without a Mustache Bro you better believe the art community has drama
I’m not even in the art community but I keep getting recommended art drama among the art community 😂 Like I get recommend more from the art community then the beauty community, and I’m into the beauty community . The stuff I get recommended from them art community is wild 😂
It’s interesting that he equated his hard work with originality. 2 people in the same field learned, practiced and relayed the same information. Not shocked
The monochrome aesthetic? The glasses? The segmented points??? He's merging with d'angelo! Watch out Mr. Art youre being consumed!
Whites can't ever merge with blacks sorry, their bodies just aren't Compatible for each other, it hardly even happens in stupid fictional movies yet alone in real life
@@livetochange974 *wat*
@@actualgarbage8549 they're trolling on Ethan's videos regularly. just ignore them
That's some big gymnastics leaps of logic. I'm very impressed.
@@ball_annihilator die I lie? Can you point out the lie please Im confused , or maybe you know more about me?
As a granny😂, a techie and an artist who draws digitally I want to let you know that your video was funny and entertaining but mostly very intelligent. It gives me hope for the future when I see younger people taking the time to assess the possible consequences of online actions. Good job! I will be watching more of your content for sure! (This is the first time I watch)
Oh you are gonna love this guy😂😂😂 don’t forget to tap the bell so you don’t miss his notifications! He’s a gem!
The current generation isnt like this
You’re really cool!
It took me an embarrassing amount of time to figure out that his knife had a mic on it.
shite I didn't even notice he was holding a knife 😂😂
Did you feel threatened?
Didn't notice till I read this💀💀💀 I kept asking what is the black thing on it😂😂😂
I noticed right away, and wonder if he ever cuts himself. What if he falls asleep while filming? I'm worried for him.
I also noticed this video has more views than the original Dun accusation video
Oh my god! I've been subbed for so long 😩😂 i was wondering what that was. (Aside from like a cigerette)
Literally EVERY art book that covers basics has 6 step scales
Ikr?!
Dunn goes on about how long it took him to come up with 2, 3, and 6 step scales. Then blasts Parker for using them. Dunn totally glosses over the 9 step scale on the same page right under the 6 step. Then throughout Dunn's book he uses 4 and 5 step scales to draw. So does he lay claim to all these value scales, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 9? Its ridiculous.
Exactlyyy like I knew that guy was full of shit when I heard that. What's next, man made color theory?
yeah thanks for backing up
Even just the pencil ones have 6 step shading
Reader: “what tools should I use?”
Andrew Loomis: “no 💜”
Andrew Loomis: I'm not like other girls!.
His books are actually really popular, and methods highly revered, believe it or not.
Andrew Loomis can't speak idiot
@@livetochange974 not you again
@@livetochange974 to my knowledge, there's no speech condition that precludes one from speaking just one word, "idiot," or any other. Generally disabilities will affect the pronunciation of more words, not just one.
Finally, Art community drama
Yeah it, like, never happens
D'angelo talked about art community drama long ago (when he still was an Art channel)
What was once thought impossible.
My favorite kind of drama
It’s 2020... nothing is sacred
Finding a pattern because you are looking for one is actually called “confirmation Bias”
But it is a big part of what makes people buy into conspiracy theories.
line step You are Right .
Except Tom DeLonge was right about UFOs so...pertaining to his general POV of course. Alphonso wasn't looking for a pattern, he was looking for a good read which happened to have word-for-word, page-to-page same layout. He feels it was a slap in his face.
Is that the same as Apophenia?
Hey! I suspected that might be the case. And I was right!
This drama is nonsense. Every artist plagiarized from the first caveman who learned to draw.
Inspiration and plagiarism is two very different things
@@waxmaster-c They were joking, the point they were trying to make was how petty the drama is and that there is no "winner" here
Exactly, I can’t believe people in 2020 are claiming techniques and tools when everything’s been invented already and we are just copying every artist ever... that’s literally part of the artistic process... see, copy and repeat
And cavemen plagiarized God
@@PossibleBat but it’s not about the techniques...?
another part of this is that people who have gone to art school in any form often teach these concepts with no text book or books only found in art libraries and if that knowledge is solely taught through oral and physical practice then you cant point to where you learned a technique. I would love to see if there are any people in art school now that can show examples of this.
Yea it looks identical to what we practiced when I was in art class, the gradients, the shading, the fuzzy balls etc
I was taught a lot of what is in all these videos. We even did all theory learned exercises with all the geometric figures
@@britanycsantana hey britty brat you look pretty dam hot, can I have your insta please? Do you have beautiful soles?
This is literally drawabox.com
@@livetochange974 I'm sorry WTF
"If you are searching for a pattern in anything, you will most likely find that pattern." That's confirmation bias, not conspiracy. lol
@Darth Desec Thank you Captain Obvious, as I wasn't aware.
they build onto each other tho, and conspiracy theory makes a better picture than confirmation bias, being that the first is more recognizable, understandable and commonly used than the latter.
Sometime you gotta murder a bit of non damaging sense and reason to be a better spokesperson/entertainer.
Its like swiftly breaking limbs to make a dynamic drawing, it does look better and the common person enjoying it will not perceive the "mistake", nor other artists who understand the thought process.
Unless they're nitpickers, like you ;), no shame on it im annoying bout these things too.
Mmm yes nice toxic
But he's right that's a defining factor of conspiracy. Like the table analogy. If you're dead set that there's a table top you're gonna find anything to act as the legs to being that table into existence.
Not to mention Argument From Ignorance, just because he cant find a common source that they both could have drawn inspiration from or some other alternate explanation does not make his explanation the correct one.
Where are the bodies Ethan?
:0
When verified you tubers can't make well thought comments, just because your privileged dosent mean I'll give you a like without earning it fool
@@livetochange974 I see you a lot in this comment section. I won't say you're bitter, but are you okay? Something happened? Need someone to talk to?
@@CalamitySpica8 It's a troll. Move along.
@@sourpuss5951 I know. I just wanted ask, knowing they would probably answer me with a smart-ass reply.
*can't stop thinking about deviantart tutorials*
Plus hundreds of books and online tutorials published before Dunn's that cover the same techniques using the exact or similar examples.
@@inkwell9651 Are you Parker?
In a twist ending, Ethan unzips his disguise to reveal that he is actually dozens of fuzzy balls. It is all a conspiracy against fuzzy ball plagiarism
I knew it. How did I never notice?
For some reason I pictured a ton of those fuzzy balls with eyes from Totoro bursting out of an "Ethan" disguise and for some reason it makes sense xD
The only thing I got from this is that Loomis does not care.
Facts #loomisisoverparty
DAMMIT LOOMIS THIS IS YOUR FAULT CANCEL LOOMIS!!!!
Lol
I don’t understand cancel culture 💀
@@e_jiuu It's okay. You just need to understand that Loomis doesn't care.
Although I understand Dunn's frustration, I only wish he had confronted Jake with this first before going public, now they both have to deal with the backfire. Although Jake made a statement on instagram, I think he needs to address it on video too n state his opinions n then we can hear what he has to say n see if there's something there's some kind of logical explanation on his part.
That being said, inktober is a community-based project and challenge, and people should still have the right to decide whether they want to participate or not. For anyone who wishes to skip inktober, that's fine but don't think that gives you the right to ostracize those who still enjoy it n wish to continue. Don't force your own agenda on others, you can state your opinions n act on them sure, but I'd prefer you not go on a witch hunt this upcoming October and patronize those who decide to still partake in it but as much as it dislike the thought, I can see that happening for sure.
How would they have settled it privately? Alphonso: "Hey JP, I see you have the same stuff in your book that I have in mine. Please stop publishing your book, thanks"??
@@popesuavecitoxii2379 it's called professionalism hun
@@popesuavecitoxii2379 it may have not been as straightforward as u describe it, but I still think direct communication is key. Even if there was a possibility that Jake disrespected n didn't agree to cooperate with Dunn to solve the problem, at least we can say that he tried to keep things private and professional like what Peter Han suggested he'd done.
Granted, I can understand Dunn was frustrated n was seeking validation, but involving social media that has a toxic mentality of cancel culture is very risky n is often a messy situation for both sides whether you are at the right or wrong.
@@ishda1250 Ethan already addressed how there is really no "right way" to accuse someone of stealing, so save your condescending bullshit response for someone else, hun
@@syrusangi8743 Again, there is no way to accuse someone of stealing without negative repercussions. Jake, as a businessman, would've referred Alphonso to his lawyers or some legal department at the publishing company. It would make a hostile relationship between them regardless if it were public or private. Alphonso isn't responsible for the behavior of people online. Nowhere in his video did he say for people to attack Jake and "cancel" him. Jake already had a shaky reputation on social media to begin with. Had he not caused controversy before, there would be less vitriol towards him in the online community.
"We're getting smarter, but we're not quite there yet." - human history in a nutshell
Why did that quote reminded me of kurzgesagt
I read this right before he said it. Spooky
Alphonso should just sue every art school on Earth. Everything he's complaining about being his intellectual property is taught in every single intro to drawing courses in high schools and colleges all over the planet. I bet he invented cross-hatching too.
And what tools to use, and FURRY BALLS! What's next? A color wheel?
the thing is the book had way too many similarities. It's like seeing a someone copying 50 shades of grey or something and while the original author is complaining say that she didn't invented romance.
@@megan7788 i put a large half-satirical half-serious, at-times facetious reply here, with tons of very valid points, but i dont feel like giving naive people ammunition to go and apply to other situations.
cancel culture is *redacted*, social justice warriors r *censored*, and most ppl lack the perspective that famous ppl r just in a different, very hard-earned career path that involves a mechanic of working towards socializing with large communities of people, and leading a personal brand.
ppl used to think that heavy metal music was satanic because music sounds spooky when u play it backwards. ppl used to think gta did columbine. south park was dragged so hard for so long that it started satirically telling the network and viewers to cancel it.
at the same time *theres a good chance* none of that applies to the inktober issue but no one wants to even risk inspiring naively-immoral cancel-hungry white knights. cancel culture might just fuck itself which most of us desperately want. but it might happen at the cost of staying away from other issues because no one wants to stir up an ignorant lynch mob.
so basically, cancel culture is hopefully cancelling cancel culture but cancel culture is so belligerently stupid that its directly impeding the possibility of addressing actual injustices.
@@megan7788 I wouldn't agree. This process of learning (the order in which those topics are described) I have in like 3 or 4 other books one even older than me (I'm 22) so I guess both of them plagiarized... also looking at the wording part - in how many ways can you say a word "line"? It's very difficult to just look at those books in a video and say if that is plagiarism or not. From what I understand based on my knowledge from my university - no Jake is clear since all he uses is a common knowledge. The only thing that can be against him is the wording but not only on chapter names but generally in text. If there is no more similarities in wording other than titles of chapters then me and my lecturers see this as a clean no.
(Yes we like taking this type of stories and analyse them)
@@KiMiRi4you exist thousands of books describing the same thing, historical, academical and none of them have pages, after pages that look almost identical WITH iqual paragraphs on top, written by someone who' apparently owns the book he "allegedly" copied from. Don't try to minimize the subject, and even the word line can be worded in a way that is your own. Nobody is arguing that what is being teached came before, the details in the way you approach those subjects make them personal or ripped off. Otherwise there wouldn't be any lawsuits with similar reports
After all that controversy, I came to my conclusion. I will buy Andrew's Loomis book because he just doesn't care. XD
After seeing how much he doesn’t care I’m really tempted to buy the book too lmaoo
Andrew Loomis books are out of print since a long time, and he past away in 1959 but one can get the free PDF here: www.alexhays.com/loomis/
your welcome ;-)
@@eb8247 thank you! 🙏 I hope you have an amazing day my friend! 💜
@@tymphiearts He doesn't care so much that his books are full of wildly complex and nearly incomprehensible diagrams. I had to find a blog post to explain one of them to me, because he does such a bad job teaching it on the page.
I read one review of one of his books who said he was obviously just showing off that he could draw, since there were so few instructions in the book itself, then I find out he wrote a (by now long outdated) book on career illustration that's nearly 300 pages long, and most of that is text.
futurestoryteller seems like my kinda guy, bragging in the art world is sadly rare
This is the first video where I actually had to stop and think: "Has Ethan ever pricked his face with that knife-mic?!"
That's my concern for the whole video
Lol
have you not seen his eyebrow?
Maybe he did but off camera you idiot ? He dosent have to hurt himself to please a random child on the Internet
@@livetochange974 bro are you ok?
@@livetochange974 lmao why are you so angry, get a life
Sadly, if Alphonso wants to sue Jack over plagiarism. He will needs to sue every art school. All the similarities that Alphonso talked about I learn in 101 art class.
I'm a layout designer, so here is my take into his claims on the layout, and some highlight on how I usually work. Let's make it clear, it usually doesn't take a team to decide on the sizes of the fonts, I usually can do a layout design in a day, yes that would vary with experience and the amount of visual work, BUT, it's not the hardest thing ever, and he's using that as a way to be like, he stole layout because no one can replicate this. So, my other take on this is, if someone comes to me wanting to layout something, first I would ask them if they had a preference, and in this case as he showed earlier he was influenced with his work so he would have sent me or the designer that. Also, I would have researched other art books, which means there will be influences, and with that in mind, from an eye of layout designer, these look nothing alike, and I mean nothing. And I think the guy you referenced regarding the layout had the same line of thought, so anything layout related to me doesn't make sense.
In general, I don't think this should have been made as a big deal, They both cover super basics, which are things I've seen over and over as an artist and a designer, and I've seen the 6 scale shading method before as well, and I'm going to research more. But even if he thought that him covering the same scopes and using the same examples is plagiarism, it's just what he did as well probably, saying probably because I'm about to compare it to newer ones. In general, people shouldn't attack anyway even with proof, honestly, not many of us are judges or meant to be judges, judging is such a hard job, so yeah.
Edit: And I found the 6 steps hatching here, a 15 minutes search:
www.flickr.com/photos/24009972@N08/2311913965/
Also, after looking at his cube texture examples, I remembered these in some architecture texture examples and exercises I saw other architecture design students make when we were in college. I mean I'm going to sit down and do a full on research, not to actually prove he stole, but to prove neither of them at this point can come up with something "new", especially when it comes to the basics.
Dan Nelson has an amazing video on crosshatching where he describes what is essentially a 6 step scale... that he uploaded 10 years ago to RUclips. super relaxing to watch.
ruclips.net/video/AHoqh27vQRw/видео.html
When it comes to things like layout its really hard in my mind to prove plagiarism. We already have legal precedent in the US that pose and composition are not legally copyrightable, even in such cases where it can be said that the original artists work obviously influenced the work of the second. I cant take a picture of a basketball in a forrest and then turn around and claim that I now own all possible compositions of that particular idea. Even if I can prove without a shadow of doubt that no basketball in forest pictures existed before my photo, it would be blatantly absurd to suppose that something so simple can be invented and owned by one person in current year and for all time henceforth (thankfully the law agrees with this view). Of course my original photograph is my owned copyright still.
My point is that firstly: if we take this guys claim of plagiarism as one hundred percent legal truth then we have just written precedent that would destroy copyright law in its entirety. For example there are only a finite number of ways one can (sensibly) make a Thanksgiving cookbook. If this became law then publishers would be doing absurd things like basically organizing their pages and the information on them in completely random order to try to avoid infringing on each others copyright. It would (with no exaggeration) quickly devolve into total collapse of the publishing industry.
I think its been pointed out a hundred times already but this guy hardly invented 6 tone scales. People in his defense say that the books are for more similar in style and layout to each other than they should be. But that's legally a moot point as I've already pointed out as composition is not legally copyrightable. This guy as I see it has no leg to stand on and is either stupid or being malicious on purpose.
I mean an easy example in art history is the entire impressionist movement in Paris France, where hundreds of artist by this guys definition where infringing on each others original ideas and layouts and compositions and so on for years on end.
I get that he feels upset that the book on how to draw with pen has similar ideas to his, but he is clearly not thinking this whole situation through very carefully.
And youll find it all for sure. And Big thsnks 🤘🏼🤘🏼
@@MaudMargretheRex Yep, I found everything they both covered everywhere before them. So I think him just claiming that this plagiarism is out of question. The problem now is that the online art community just shut off an art event and an artist for so reason at all.
@@ivan_says_hi I totally agree, and I think the same too. And as someone that layouts all the time, there aren't many ways to layout books in general, having the same elements aligned differently in all the books in the world is just impossible. So yeah, I agree, he's just using it to get at the guy, and he succeeded sadly. I think at one point he tried to peruse legal actions and his lawyer probably told him it won't work, so he went ahead and decided to just destroy the person using his influence and the internet.
The one dislike is Ethan himself
IG Art account: @CursedmoonX
I cant believe he made 4 more accounts
I wouldn’t be surprised if Ethan dislikes all his videos for the lols
hes never satisfied, that poor baby-man.
He made 8 accounts lol
there are 8 now.
I'm personally offended that every single illustration of a pen drawing a line is leaning to the right and at the same angle. That angle is copyrighted. And I'm a lefty.
Everything is copywrited
*breathing is copywrited*
@@virpixyt2145 existing is *copyrighted*
Preach 😤
Probably a freaking liberal
Thank you! My god this is how I feel about this....it’s like dude I’ve seen the same “steps and processes” my ENTIRE LIFE through school and books and no one can own a damn pen swipe......
Hate to tell Alphonso; but, everything he was indignant about, I learned in art school using the same verbage. He is taking basic art principles and claiming them as his own. The line work part made me laugh out loud because I took architectural drawing in high school and the way to hold a pen when you are inking is absolutely basic. And the tools? Hello? Every one of them has been in use forever. His "complex block forms" is laughable since yet again that is a very basic drawing technique which has been taught for ages. Also, the material is presented in a logical way... Gee. What are the odds?
But, I agree. The most valuable take away here is how we as a community react to such accusations. I once had some friends come to me indignant that another artist had posted a drawing which was extremely similar to a painting I had done. Turned out, we had used the same free reference photo for our pieces. And yet my friends were ready to go after him with pitchforks. We have to be less reactive and more responsible.
as an artist i firmly believe there are no original ideas, just distorted ones that feel new.
and?
@@BeautifulEarthJa my point is copyright is outdated and abused
@@xPancakes4lyf lol! by a small individual creator? come now, you have no point.
@@BeautifulEarthJa i wrote this along time ago and 100% honest i have no idea what you guys are mad about lol
art is art
art is expression
art is collaborative
art is communication
doesnt matter if you're a nobody from a small town or a hot shot on youtube,
imo, i find it a little funny when people try to copyright art fundamentals and video game mechanics because it goes against everything art is.
but what do i know, i dont have any subscribers so my opinion isn't worth anything.
@@xPancakes4lyf art is art lol. that does not mean you go around copying people's work and calling it yours. and this is not even about a piece of artwork, its basically about a textbook produced by one person that was copied by another to be sold for money.
Too bad Ethan didn't end the video with: "But honestly who cares."
Yesss!🤣🤣
he outed himself. the top of the art, art itself cares :P
Only his childish underage Fanboys care, not the grownups
@@livetochange974 it's a phrase D'angelo says at the end of his videos...
True
I don't see any plagiarism. I see similarities. I'm old, so I did gray scale studies before either of them were born! Did they both plagiarize me? NO!
Yeah totally! You cannot claim that someone plagiarized you when you are talking about the basics of a field.
@@haebienpak5701 true
if you watched Dunn's video it was not the concepts that he said were plagiarized but actually the textual explanations and the layout. The basics of art can be explained by everybody but the sequence and wording of how Jake did it is blatant plagiarism.
Absolutely!
They should also sue Da Vinci and Michelangelo.
@@bunnyskiddadle1477 hmmmm in that case I could see why but I might need a bit more context. Thx for the explanation tho!
Man, I can't believe Alphonso was the one who invented using spheres to demonstrate art techniques. Ig he's gotta make a callout for all those tumblr blogs and art tutorials that do the same thing
Not standing up for either party. But I suspect Alfonso is not just upset about the content, that most can agree have always existed in other books. Rather, I think the layout and order is what Alfonso feels have been plagiarized. I do agree on the team thing, and perhaps there are also trends on how visual layouts are designed by designers at moment. Like a textbook from 1995 will have different layout to a book from 2020, but 2015 and 2020 styles might be same due to trends in layout.
Yeah I agree. It's like all the how to draw books for anime from the 2000's. They all have the same layout and say the exact same things.
I was thinking the same! Like the pens in a similar position almost look like bullets for the words on the page. And are we getting mad that people used squares and circles? Those are our favorite basic shape to use as humans. We love circles and squares. How many art books use triangles or hexagons?
Exactly my thoughts, I think the layouts are the ones at fault here.
It’s a very simplistic basic way of layout, so I could also see why they are similar and how you get a sense of “hey I seen that!”
Ethan makes the point in the video that you can see how different artists creatively convey information. It shows how simpleminded people are that their first thought is "how else are you supposed to do it"?
I saw someone on deviantart put 'DO NOT reference my art' with caps and all on a drawing --- It was anime fan art.
My fav was one of a basic wolf running and 'do NOT copy my pose' on the description
Kino username by the way
i drew luffy from one piece. you are not allowed to also draw luffy from one piece because it's my property now.
God, DeviantArt users always put up these insane, unenforceable rules on literally everything. It's like an alternate universe.
People who say ‘don’t reference my art’ rlly bug me. Like do they not ref other people’s art? Do they not understand that it can help others find their style
"Then I'm thinking, why am I doing all this work? I got all of you to do the work for me" One day, I wanna be as powerful as Ethan to have my fans, underlings, and subs, to do some in depth investigative work over certain things.
On top of that, I also want to have enough facial hair to strap a lav mic onto the little strands.
Beware he's STRONGER THAN SHAGGY
and you know how crazy he can rally his follower to do something. thank god his doing it for good even tho he act like he doesn't care to all of us. His a like a father to all of us lol.
@@Jonathonson kids like you will have a balded scalp before you even grow 1 facial hair, hope you stress until you get alopecia
@@livetochange974 man, I'm really glad I don't have to deal with people like you irl.
Alphonso saying that 'he copied the format' when they are both following the natural flow of learning and expanding on pen techniques... it's like saying someone plagiarised you for writing 1 2 3 4
It's like Dunn doesn't know what format means.
The community reaction was far more terrifying to me than the possibility of one of my art heroes stealing from someone else.
witch trials
i think it's the art community being so hell-bent on "you copied this you copied that" for things that doesn't make sense to say was stolen. I'm talking about people screaming composition/pose stealing and thinking everything they do is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo original it's so annoying.
the community is a bunch of babies that will soon see using lines as stealing.
I honestly don't listen to their shit anymore.
u need better art heroes and that is a fact
Agreed. All those morons were willing to destroy a man's professional reputation over something that is clearly bullshit.
Pretty much all books about art fundamentals are basically the same. Anyone who has ever taken an art class or read an art book should already know that
Man what the hell I was doing the “6 step scale” when I was in highschool 7 years ago 👁👄👁 didn’t know my teacher was a PLAGIARIZER (I kid, I kid)
same lol i literally learned this in art school aswell. We forget that people can have the same idea without faking each other
I got even to difuminatition in highschool graphite drawing Wich was most of our art class
Maybe he read the book too.
@@everuby4787 Alphonso's first book was published in 2015 tho , that's less than 7 yrs ago
This is basic art skills. I’ve seen 20 books explaining the same ways to shade and cross hatch. It isn’t a new concept...scales are BASIC art knowledge. People who didn’t know were NEW to learning this.
I just dug through my homework from art class in high school and found pages of work that matches everything in this video. They’re obviously plagiarizing my art teacher, how dare they!! Mrs. P you deserve better!!!
Their argument is like:
"Noooo, you can't just use my color palette. I just thought long hard enough to combine what color go with what"
No it's not. This is not about colors, shades or techniques. The argument is someone ripped off my book, with the same wording, illustrations, layout, content structure ++++
@@waxmaster-c I think people on both sides of this issue need to take a step back an reevaluate the environment first...
yeah that is just stupid alphonso is like he invented the number6
I understand he's upset about the layout and stuff, but like.... I swear I've seen this same general book layout in all my art books from school. Like this is a logical layout. It's like saying someone stole a crochet pattern of a sphere when there's only a limited amount of ways to crochet a sphere and if you make one, the pattern will be the exact same pattern has hundreds of other peoples' original sphere patterns. I'm not mad about it or anything. I just... -shrug- it's weird that people are freaking out and not just being like "nah I don't think so" and moving on with their lives or saying "yeah I agree - I'll just not do Inktober or buy the book" and moving on with their lives. Like this isn't a straight-up obvious tracing stealing making millions of dollars off something he didn't do any work on himself except rewording a few things. Just take it to court and let them decide how close it has to be to count. Jeez.
You can find all his earth shattering discoveries that he took months to figure out right here...over 600 examples
www.pinterest.co.uk/penwiz404/alphonso-dunn-is-full-of-it/
Which books?
The Internet in general has serious issues when it comes to thinking twice about accusations; People are not only unforgiving, but alarmingly easy to convince.
It's literally guilty until proven innocent.
What's worse, however, is that people believe that just because someone is guilty of something, it gives them the right to treat the "culprit" like shit.
It doesn't.
We're all still people, we all have feelings.
Don't hurt others simply because you think you're in the right.
Yes, I have been hating how people are just so angry and unforgiven in the internet and, if or when they are proven wrong, they never backtrack.
And these accusations last even if they are wrong.
Wish everyone had that type of mindset on the internet. Everything would be so much better
agreed, people can act so shitty to the dumbest stuff, but it's important to remember the court of public opinion should not be held to the same standard of the court of law. innocent until proven guilty is only applicable to the latter, the side taking in the former gets annoying.
Preach! 👏
Drama. People are living for the drama.... Even at someone else's expense.
I’m from Italy and my teachers (so we are talking about people that studied i the 70s/80s) have been using that scale system to make us learn shading since forever 😂 everybody in the first/second year of art school had to replicate those squares. It’s literally the most basic stuff to do to learn how to do proper shading like great artists such as Michelangelo, Leonardo (people from the Renaissance lmao) , etc.. it’s like learning how the color wheel works...
The reason the pages align is because they are the first stages/ the basice to starting Art. I have a few books I brought 15 years ago and a few from 2 weeks ago and they are all similar the way they start and similar to these two books. Yes they are very similar but all art books are when discussing basics! It's all the other content I.e how they prefer to draw body parts, animals in a different style to others that may be of interest etc. that adds value to a book. We live in a age where almost everything has been done before it's not about copying its about making it better or easier than the person before with the new resources we have now that they didn't have then. And if you do find a niche that is brand spanking new well done to you!!! Now copyright it and don't tell anyone until you have done so!
I was sure I had seen a six level value scale in my art instructional books, but I have most of them packed ready for moving house, however one of the last ones I have out on my night stand is The Art of Chinese Brush Painting by Lucy Wang, first published in 2004, and right there on page 9 it has a six level value scale. It also has a materials list laid out a very similar format as Alphonse does in his book, how to hold and handle the brush, different brush strokes along with ink drawn pictures of a hand holding a brush and on page twelve the subject heading is "using basic strokes". I know it's a different medium, but these are all things I have seen in other art books or have heard from other artists long before RUclips even existed. Especially classes and books on the fundamentals of any sort of art they tend to follow the same progression and talk about pretty similar things within the same topic. Even some of the terms he seems to believe he coined are just the way I have heard artists describe the same fundamental techniques and topics always.
I do think that it should be looked into and it could well be that Jake has done the wrong thing and should pay up, but to me it isn't an open and shut case based on the evidence so far.
I guess that the main point is not so much "6-value scale is my patented technology," but how it's another detail in a presentation that's more similar than average to other books showing the same things, as this video here has shown. If his assistants/editors really "studied" structures of other books, it seems not unlikely that the case can be made (maybe even in court) that Dunn's books were significantly more "inspiring" than most others, possibly legally problematically so.
@@petitio_principii I totally agree with that, and because Dunn has legitimate concern it definitely should be investigated. I just feel like even though Dunn said he isn't claiming to owning IP on basic techniques and theory he does spend an awful lot of time talking about how much time and effort he put into coming up with basic concepts like value scales, graded scales, contour lines and certain terms like those things are secrets nobody ever discovered before. I definitely think there are a few pages in Parker's book that definitely look like they were identical to the pages in Dunn's book, but some of them he would point and say "see, exactly the same" and I thought to myself uh, not really. Or he would say "I know that if I read the text it would contain the exact same content as mine" or "we can't see those pages but I know those are probably all my work too" and I just think that's disingenuous because he is presenting as fact something he has no way of knowing one way or the other. I don't think overstating his case is very wise, or going public without at least some legal advice and given how big it's blown up there is no way this is ever going to end in a handshake. If Parker is in fact caught out stealing he will face hefty consequences, if they find that there is no problem or that Dunn greatly exaggerated the there is no way he can just back down and say "oops, my bad" because he immediately chose to go public to a very large fan base with the most serious accusation you can throw at an artist and they aggressively ran to his defence. I think it would cost him very dearly.
At the end of the day none of us are experts, we only have seen one very biased side of the story and have not even the ability to compare either book side by side. We don't even have the evidence at this point of Jake Parker's notes or past teaching plans/ resources etc. I wouldn't be willing to make a call either way based on anything so far, but given how big it has blown up I guess the truth will eventually come out.
"i did not make this video to have a positive impact on your life"
well i mean you're already holding us at knife-point
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@@livetochange974 oh sweetie... ): it's time for a snickers bar.
@@livetochange974 Wtf?
So we reporting that right
The tittle should be: An Art Documental with Ethan Becker: Inktober episode jsjsjs
Edit: OMG SO many likes!!! Thanku!!! (≧▽≦)💖
Mhm
but the actual title made me click faster that this title would lol
gotta get that coin
nobody rips Arthur off
Arthur: fine Ill do it myself
It took me so long to decide on the number six!
Me at 6 in school: Haha, six values go brrrr
I still have that freaking drawing, funny enough I decided on six values because it was easy to divide shadows an light tones into 2 groups. He's talking like it was the most complex work of his life. Not saying he didn't have a point, just that he plagiarized my 6 y/o self.
Watch out he may make a vid about u XD
@@anonymph4570 I should make a vid on how he plagiarized my work! It was really hard for a 6 year old to come up with the number 6! Is not like I had two groups, or that I don't like Asymmetry, or that 6 was my age. Not at all, I had to come out with that number using a super complex and hard way of thinking that funneled into... Fuck it, it's just a number xD
I get what you are saying. But on a serious note, the complexity is in finding that understanding of why it works. I don't know if the two artists have done so or not, but when he said he put in a lot of work, I imagine it being this. Get this: everything goes from being simple to complex and then back to being simple. The understanding has changed between the two simples (this is why art is so easy to make fun of by ignorant people when simple paintings of 3 blocks of paint are sold for millions of dollars - I am one of them). It is like einstein or newton (I don't remember or know if they even said it, I just read it somewhere that they did) that if you cannot explain a concept in very simple terms then you have not understood the concept enough.
@@vkjd4818 as far as I remember... It was Einstein who said it.
While I agree, is not as you portrait it. While it might seem that you have to be stupid to not understand why a gross painting is worthy of a billion dollars, it's not that complex: It's simply not worthy. There's an entire enterprise behind that, and their business works better if we keep on thinking that if you're not going to afford a billion in something that looks weird, you're stupid. But... That's not the point. If you wanna know about it, there's a lot of people who already explained that scam.
While, you're right by saying that something simple needs a lot of refining to do... It's not that weird to see people come up with it by pure accident. For example, the kind of motors used in jet engines were develop by a boy playing in his backyard, and the design changed so little that you can replicate a jet engine in your kitchen. For me is not that impressive to come up with that number, since I've seen that book he's referring to, and I can say that it was harder to me to use his value table than using the standard 7. Or even the standard 5.
Overall, he's talking about it like it's the best method and took him a lot of work to come up with it, while from my perspective (And as far as I know, most books too) it basically ads nothing. It actually takes out one value xD
i remember a youtuber doing six value shading, basically cross-hatching and you add a direction for each step, so: white, vertical, previous + horizontal, previous + diagonal, previous + other diagonal, black
Imagine if everyone just calmed the f*k down and thought about this stuff before jumping onto bandwagons. Hate is so infectious man-
Tribalism is just all the rage right now. If you’re not with them you’re against them, and there’s nothing you can do to change it.
Red Jester Productions same with cancel culture 😔
@@cardshark38 Tribalism has always been popular this is nothing new
I think a lot.of it is if they don't jump on the bandwagon, they're shown to not care and they want to be seen in a good light.
@@TheUbernuck Not quite the case. "Tribalism" as it's portrayed now in the media and common discourse isn't the normal, but it's the counter reaction to the artificial enforcement of "diversity". Tribalism when it's not inflamed is completely harmless. How you treat your family versus how you treat your friend's family is different. Is it evil or bad? Of course not, it's just different, it's normal. They are different people with different meanings to you and you to them. Sure you can expand tribalism to bigger groups and try to make it a "racist" thing, but it's still functionally the same. Minor reservations and reasonable assumptions which then change according to personal experiences (aka living life).
Why it's gotten so bad is that people (generally unthinking masses of automatons) feel like they're being influenced, dislike it and respond in the opposite, but equal force to the manipulation.
The really sad and depressing part is that too many of the automatons in vocal positions will think the solution is "more diversity" and more enforcement and it will inevitably result in unimaginable violence. The great human tragedy is that as a whole we are always just a little too dumb to know what's good for us (includes the intellectuals who came up with all of the forced diversity to begin with / Kalergi etc).
THE D'ANGELO WALLACE FORMAT IM-
Aleth Lumba, you’re what?
@@simplyrhino_ ded
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@@simplyrhino_ i am winning son
I'm cryin
alphonso really makes himself sound like spongebob in the one episode where he had to write an essay, like "I need this to be absolutely genius, what should I say?" *hours later* "I got it!" *scribble* " 'The'! Now what else should I write?"
Then all the books with food recipes are plagiarism of each other. They use the same layout.
You made a very correct and terrifying point. Public opinion (the opinion of those who were not asked) is like an asphalt paver rolling down the road.
No the books with food recipes would not be plagiarism of each other unless they looked exactly the same and used. This is not about the techniques per se, but how the book was copied almost page by page. Same wording, illustrations, layouts, exact same content. Rewatch this video please.
@@waxmaster-c M8 its hard to say that when Dunn is 1. Going off a video where it's difficult to properly parse through the other book and 2. The nature of fundamentals means that... its really hard to deviate the layout. A book with food recipes is a poor comparison to this instance because recipes are self-contained, while art fundamentals are linked concepts. You can learn to bake a strawberry cake and cook a turkey in whichever order you want but you still have to learn what tools you need and how to sketch before you move on to coloring and lighting
this makes no damn sense. even if they have the same layout they are different recipes therefore not copied and not plagiarized. same layout is not plagiarism; same ideas and teachings are.
@@strangerdaysss but basic concepts like genre tropes in books are not possible to have copyright, they are basic and tropes for a reason, that reason being that will exist in most or all material talking about the subject.
@@bluester7177 if same LAYOUT is plagiarism then so many movie/films/poster/covers/etc. would be plagiarizing right and left as they almost all have the same exact layout with different characters/people/sceneries/objects in the same exact "layout". this is comment thread starters logic, which makes no damn sense.
Honestly when I watched Alphonso’s video I was thinking “how can you try and claim that you created basic shading and texturing” .. like the spheres and whatnot are what you learn in high school.
You are using one example to throw down the garbage a 50 minute video...like come on, either sides, Jake Parker's and Alfonso Dunn's have been super sus. Give credit to the guy, he has obviously done a great job since Jake Parker praises him, it's not easy to create impactful images and put words on something that feels so spontaneous to a lots of drawer, so props to him. And yes I have seen furry ball or something somewhere at my art classes, so it's not new.
Lol I was saying to my self
Guess you also invented that shape
He never really claimed to invent these ideas, only that the images used and the layout of the pages, along with their titles, were very similar
really? thats all you got from that entire video?? so the similarities in the step by step contents didnt strike a chord for you, its something that he didnt even claim that struck a chord. just...wow
Did you watch the whole thing? It started off like that but then it changes quite dramatically.
My art teacher taught me the same things, and she’s older than both of them combined! Plagerism!
Agreed! Lol. I’m pretty sure my elementary art teacher made all this stuff up.
I agree. I learnt all this stuff in a very similar manner. Yeah he clearly ripped off bits and pieces but it's pieces that already exists
Nope, seen "inktobery" cave paintings. Your teacher plagiarized cave painters.
Jagielski Gaming See that is where you are wrong. The Inktober cave paintings were, just like any other cave painting, inspired by the daily life. That means they got inktober from aliens
I was thinking exactly the same 🤷 all art schools teach the same techniques, my drawing exercises from when I studied look the same as this books pages. Nobody invented anything.
This is the first time I'm even hearing about Inktober drama, but this was a great ad for Andrew Loomis, I'm into the amount he doesn't care.
I have that one old book Peter Han showed and many others, with the same stuff inside... even an old "how to draw manga" with the SAME stuff in it, because.... thats what you learn, when you draw with pen and pencil... its no witchcraft XD I teach that stuff since 10 years... Fuzzy balls... I have old data of that stuff on pinterest FOR YEARS xD
3 steps value... like that stuff we learn in art school? There was nothing new in this books... I knew all that stuff from dA, pinterest, youtube, school. For a manga "person", this stuff is not new. xD You can see the technices in every manga comic book.
Lmao you didn't even see Dunn's video if you think that way...when u see the same things in the same ORDER, that is not just "similar work" hahahhaha
@@lien-san3347 yes but the thing is it's dumb to begin with if all artist learn things the same way there will be similar techniques shown throughout time of the same ideas ESPECIALLY something as simple as shading and line work hell this Dunn dude has drawings similar to others in this very video am i saying he plagiarized them? no i am not but what i am saying is it doesn't take a genius to figure this shit out it's fricking basic drawing techniques. i don't know either of these artist and i don't care but this whole situation is just stupid and i think they need to squash it for both their sakes as it just makes them both look bad
@@theninjamaster67 Dude Jake EXPLAINS the same things in the same ORDER with somewhat the same WORDS(synonyms) and even the same concept IMAGES! Coincidence? NO cause it's a fact that he bought Dunn's books so.....Why not just say he was inspired by Dunn? because he is a Thief! remember the Inktober's Lawyers attacking people last year, do you really think he is a good person? lol
@@lien-san3347 as I said I have no clue who either of these artist are and I don't care because this whole situation is stupid you can't just say you own such simple concepts so personally I hope if they take this to court that they both get nothing as there is nothing groundbreaking or new in either of their books also generally the book layout is usually up to the publisher so even if the dude read the other artist book blame should also fall mostly on the publisher
Honestly, considering they both are inspired by people before them, and people before them through people before them and so on... there is no winning on this whole 'plagiarism' thing beside shutting down everyone ability to make tutorial.
everything mentioned in both books and in almost the exact order was taught to me and many others in school. It's ludicrous to say that Alphonso invented these. he thinks he did because he haven't seen someone else do them before. if an art teacher on the other side of the world knew about the 6 scale 16 years ago then i doubt he invented anything.
Plagiarism is to make an exact copy of something not have something similar
plagiarism is much more than making an exact copy of something. it can be as simple as not giving credit to the original creator (i.e. taking credit for someone else's work) even if you've reworded/repackaged it
@@thesoapmasterful So everything in art is plagiarism, I don't often give credit to Andrew loomis for using his proportions.
Actually it can go to the extent of something being similar. At least my school teachers said that and gave ppl failing grades because of it.
The "6" step one is basically the 5 steps from the other books with an added white square to it XD and he made it sound like he invented it.
If I had with me all my notes and sheets from my art school days (in the 90's) I could have found all of those examples.
it's like the 11 volume amp from Spinal Tap
Hahaha true.
To be fair tho, that wasn't found in any other book, tho I get your point it seems trivial. I wonder tho, to a teacher maybe some other technicalities are also kept in mind? yeah but idrk
I agree, I did quite a few of those exercises when I was at school, let's not pretend like these aren't all well known exercises that have been passed from artist to artist since the times of Leonardo and Michelangelo..
@@projectnaiad4534 Agreed, but as it's been said 6 wasn't in any other book. Alphonso points out how insignificant this seems as well, but the fact remains nobody else did it. Combine this with everything else and it's looking pretty rough for Jake =/
Let's sum this drama up: "OMG I made a book about art, you made one too and you dared to show basic art stuff in it that I showed too beacuse its BASIC art stuff! You must have stole it from me!"
I love the art community, it can be so dumb and petty.
I mean, even before drama this petty is common in the art circle. Although back then it's more about who has the superior drawing style or art medium, but yeah the same thought.
Did you even watch the video. There is plenty of evidence that he basically copied the whole layout, titles, structure and illustrations.
@@CromeLF2 krumplika :)
I have received threats because I did fan art...they claimed I plagiarized the art even though I captioned the character's name and the show it came from...true the art community is filled with idiots.
Went to an art hs then studied art in college, everything Alphonso is teaching is stuff taught in school and almost in the same way. Boxes of gradients, boxes of different types of textures, etc is stuff you had to do for hw and stuff. Nothing he showed was truly original. Thats with almost every "how to draw book". The ONLY problem i see is the layout of the book.
It’s less about the information but rather the way it’s being delivered. Jake literally took the exact image/info Alphonso delivered and swapped a few words. That’s why Alphonso has such an issue with it
This is exactly, yes. I absolutely agree with this. How can something be plagiarism if it's common knowledge. The way it's delivered could be similar but we're people, people can have the same friggin idea.
It's the same as writing an essay from a book you read, the info is the same and so might be the delivery, it doesn't mean you copied anything.
Thank you!! I agree with this 100% And while I agree the order is rather similar and suspicous, obviously the layouts between the two would end up more similar than the older books as the older books are seemingly more written work than illustrated and going into more detail while their books seem more centered on a quick read with basic (again highschool level) tips and heavy on illustration. And as mentioned I have seen at least 90% of these tips on instagram/tumblr and school work sheets. At the end of the day none of this is original thought, its common knowledge
@@seirierialk502 the whole video kind of showed that most other books delivered the same kind of stuff but in different arrangements and often using different wordings. By your line of argument, one could just pretty much pick, say, Scott Robertson's book, just rephrase and redraw everything, but keep the same structure, everything, and it wouldn't be plagiarism. _"How to Draw: drawing and sketching objects and environments from your imagination"_ becomes _"Drawing: how to draw and sketch environments and items that you have imagined."_ The imagined vehicle on the cover has an extra pair of wheels and is more rounded or squarier, so it's okay.
Having said that, I'm not on any "bandwagon," or yet, I'm on the "I'm not sure how I'd handle that myself, to be honest, both the plagiarism and the denunciation seem somewhat troublesome to different degrees" -bandwagon.
The layout IS the only problem and that problem is enough. Not saying he should be cancelled, but supporting this book would be VERY questionable
The points you made in the video, in particular the main point of the video at the very end, speaks volumes about one of the ongoing issue that's honestly at the forefront of what's holding humanity back in this modern age from utilizing it's collective consciousness to its fullest. I'm thankful that someone went out of their way to speak on it.
I'm glad he made the video, but also sad too many people will miss the point.
@Mara Bumbuc Not just this video either, but a majority of RUclips videos in general have comments on them where people seem to only be able to resort to joking or teasing one another. I'm not saying we shouldn't allow ourselves to not take things so seriously all of the time but it seems it's a go to for a large portion of reactions I've seen to detach themselves from directly reacting to topics if it's too serious and demands from them a version of themselves that they're not comfortable consulting. This could be from a number of reasons though and I don't necessarily blame the individual for it. Still, it means standing up for your inner and most sincere thoughts may be too much trouble than it feels worth for a lot of people when they're not the ones with a stake in the matter.
@@esmerillia You're right in that there's a lot of factors at play, but I think one of the biggest ones for most people is that it's unfortunately just too much work to get involved for something that doesn't directly involve them. That can be said for any issue and not just this incident, sadly.
@Mara Bumbuc Yeah that's why I said that and it sucks to see because a lot of people only see at surface level or just see it as art community drama and brush it off.
It could be argued Dunn plagiarized Emilio Freixás "Lecciones de dibujo artístico" ("Lessons on Artistic Drawing") first published in 1947. It shows the same learning structure and eerily similar example drawings.
Thaaaaaaat's the name I couldn't remember. I remember seeing this before but I couldn't remember the book or the author. 👍🏻 Thank you.
I think he is more pissed that basically all the layout of the book is the same, but yeah both books just go to Basic stuff that if you go to art school everyone will tell you the same stuff...
@@bepinkfloyd814 what do you define as layout?
@@bepinkfloyd814 the chapter names, pacing, page layouts, the example illustrations and style of drawings are completely different between both books.
What's similar are the fundamentals of drawing which will look similar. They are similar in these books as well.
When teaching the basic fundamentals there cannot be really any deviation on how they are taught. These are a few books and artists that follow the same structure of teaching with similar concepts.
Drawing with pen and ink by Arthur L. Guptil published 1930
How to draw in Pen and Ink by Susan Meyer and Martim Avillez published in 1985
Pen and pencil techniques by Harry Bergman published 1989
Drawing pencil techniques by David Lewis published 1984
The Art and Technique of pen drawing
by G. Montague Ellwood published in 1927, reissued 2003
Drawing in pen and ink by Claudia Nice published in 1997
Creative pen and ink techniques by Ian Sidaway published in 2001
Pen and Ink Techniques by Paulette Fedard published in 1992.
Complete book of drawing and painting by Mike Chaplin published 2004.
Dynamic bible by Peter Han 2016
We’ve gotten to the point in art theft where we’re “stealing fundamentals”. Did DaVinci and Picasso not have a six-step scale? Or other pen and ink artists? What did artists do centuries before this book was written?
people jumping on Parker cannot even agree on what they think he did wrong. Some say Parker's book is a 1 to 1 copy of Dunn's. Which is absolutely false and impossible. When the full pages are compared next to each other they are completely different.
Then some believe Parker copied Dunn's techniques and structure of teaching.
These accusations show a lack of art understanding, academic teaching, and history. A technique is not unique to anyone. Realism, impressionism, abstract, cartoony, etc are techniques. Within Dunn's own book the techniques switch up between very basic to more detailled.
The structure of both Dunn's and Parker's book follow the same logical progression as the majority of art instructional books. There are basically two kinds of art instruction books. The more academic style of following the progression of skills and then the kind where artists do a personal take. They show their method skipping over the basics and do a more paint/draw by the numbers/steps.
Dunn and Parker go the more academic route. So of course the progression will be similar. They are going over the basic fundamentals. The thing is Dunn's whole book is lessons. While only a small section of Parker's goes over the fundamentals. The beginning of Parker's book goes over the history of inking and great inkists of the past. Then goes over the fundamentals of drawing/inking, using new illustrations and some from past inktobers. Then it talks about inktober and art. How is that a copy of Dunn's book? When faced with these indispensable facts people still want to claim Parker copied. They don't want to have an actual conversation and be intellectually honest.
Dude acting like he invented the number 6. “It took me SO long to think of that.”
Yea I really don’t think it’s that hard to make a title about some lines 😂
He also thinks he's the first artist to discover gradient scales. I can't believe so many people got behind that jackass!
You don't get it. It's not a about the techniques themselves, but how he created the book. He has copied the same words, illustrations, layout, content structure and so on.
@@waxmaster-c Welp, I guess my professor copied all of this then. She's been teaching the same way for fourty years, but she definitely copied this mans work given that I learned basically all of this in exactly the same order and content structure with 'eerily similar' illustrations and descriptions. The structure is literally just the logical way to teach. Her hand drawn and photocopied explanations/worksheets all have a similar layout. But no, she definitely copied this man.
@@waxmaster-c The words we use depend heavily on the era we live. If you look at titles in artbook from hundreds of years ago it will not be the same as now.
At the time they spent so much time to describe and explain every little things, now we need to summarize everything. The mindset, vocabulary and trend are not the same. It's the same with drawings, at the time they'd do very detailed drawings to explain anatomy for example with ink and sepia pencils (now there are more pencils), the drawing styles were the same too. But does it mean they plagiarized each other? I don't think so
the only thing you didn’t copy from d’angelo: the exact 10 minute mark for that extra ad revenue.
Nah, now his thing is 40-30 min deep dives into drama. He got it right lol
(Dk why, but I think my comment sounded kinda rude? Lol, just to clarify, I love d'angelo's old and new format, so ye)
@@Trebinhas THIS. hahaha
@@Trebinhas well on his MAIN CHANNEL ( although I think he said that his second is now his main... ) he does the 10 min videos (when is say main channel I mean og one)
on the second channel he does the documentary expose style videos that are really long
I'm not usually a fan of your persona (that doesn't matter, it's just not my style.) But I dig when you get real and minimize the intensity of the persona. Good work, good message. Keep doin' you man!
The 6 box thing doesn't surprise me because in advanced art at my school, when we learned hatching, we actually used the 6 box scale. It's not like he invented it, it's a real thing 😂
almost every single example given by alphonso in terms of illustrations and descriptions to accuse jake of plagiarism, i have found in art books i checked out from the library as a kid. this situation baffled me when i first heard about it, i couldn't believe he was really trying to accuse him of plagiarism over an illustration of how to hold a pencil properly. like, cmon dude. TONS of books that teach you to draw have a section on how to properly hold your pen/pencil.
When i first heard about it , I could only remember a chapter in the book of Hellen Keller where she accidentally plagiarized something thinking that she wrote it for herself. The condition is called cryptomnesia in which a forgotten memory returns in a way the person thinks it's new. That's most probably the case here.
Maybe
We shouldn't forget that a book like that has plenty of people working on it
Everything from the layout to the words used must have gone through several stages of development worked on by several people, which makes it way easier to come to a point that it's hard to pin point where sth went wrong
I once wrote a short story completely ripping off the plot of Blade Runner and noticed a year later lol
The only winner here is Ethan: _He gained my sub._
Right!
Yeah 😁
Just realized you're holding your mic with a whole knife, I have to subscribe immediately
"i swear i've seen fuzzy balls on the internet" i mean, me too ethan, but there's no need to brag about it
"He did a 30 second flip through the book."
"Guys, That flip through was 30 seconds."
Every in 60 seconds in Africa a minute passes
His point was specifically to reiterate '30 seconds' and what a short amount of time that is. And in less than a minute, to still catch multiple instances of glaring similarities.
See: Angry Joe '4 HOURS'
Ah yes, the floor is made out of floor-
i chugged a whole cup of coffee and the caffeine kickebd in and idk how to think and read my hand r shanking htis is my first tiem hdjhdej
oh im ok now i can read again
the gist of this situation imo is: neither person is 100% "innocent", people on the internet are stupid and can't form their own opinions on things nor can they stay out of it, people love to hate on products that haven't even come out yet, and even popular artists can act immaturely sometimes. as much as i think the plagiarism claims are a reach, it's also disappointing to see everyone turning on alphonso now that someone expresses a different opinion on the situation. like that's exactly what you're NOT supposed to do - switch sides drastically based on other people's perspective. people should just mind their own business if they can't bother to look at something objectively and do their own research. and the james charles comparison is perfect in this case.
oh also, i love how people are like "you can't own inktober, it's a community thing" and then contradict themselves by saying "you shouldn't participate in inktober because you're supporting JP". i understand not participating because you don't feel comfortable and can't separate JP from inktober, but telling people two contradicting statements and making a huge drama out of something like this is not the way to go. maybe I'm just not a drama person, but i think this kind of stupid sudden backlash encourages people not to think for themselves and to keep hurting artists(or any victim of james-type drama) until it crosses the line and it's too late to save said victim.
also also, 80% of the comments are about people thinking you look like pewdiepie and I'm loving it
I agree with the people not thinking for themselves thing. They don’t come up with their own conclusion. They hear what they wanna hear and ignore what they don’t. Then they try and cancel someone.
Meanwhile i don't neccessaryly done inktober every year because i get lazy lol... So i never done inktober at all
Yeah, outside of the drama... But yeah it's petty
I still think Jake is a ~shady~ person outside of Inktober....
Don’t care. Jake Parker is still a shitty person.
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I unironically thought Alphonso's video was sarcastic especially with the fundamental techniques claim. Turns out it was not. Don't know if people are indeed so gullible or get a hard on when they can push someone into the mud
Both. Definitely both
People are both and believe these youtube gurus without question.
I lost it, when you said "Where is the brush? ...spooky."
What is scary af to me is that normally I wouldn't give a damn about this sort of thing. I have been taught similar things by various art teachers throughout my life... and here I am, feeling the pressure to have AN OPINION, like it even matters? Like wft? Go... draw... have fun... get a life... isn't that what it supposed to be about?
Just say you don't have an opinion and stop being a p*ssy
@@MrKelz419 wow that's harsh
@@tasya_nabila I should've been harsher tbh. People like OP love to sit on the sidelines, watch a conflict and complain as though they're "being forced" to pick a side. You are not out in the streets, you are on the internet. Grow up.
@@MrKelz419 you got the point tho. But maybe people don't like to feel bad by picking side
@@tasya_nabila I accept that. But why not just honour your feelings and gtfo? He can't cope with his conscience so he resorts to being a disingenuous crybaby all while trying to diminish someone else's situation. Very annoying but typical.
Hear me out here:
After you mentioned that Jake might have a team behind the book, it made me think about movies. When a person is presenting their movie idea to the group of people who are going to help them make it, sometimes the company will ask “what kind of movie do you want this movie to remind people of”. Take for example, Broke Back Mountain took good influence from Titanic. From the poster to the story (somewhat). Do you think that the team that helped Jake make his book asked this question? Since Jake liked Alphonse’s book, maybe he said that he wanted his book to resemble Al’s. Now, you can get away with that sort of stuff in Hollywood, but literature is another thing and that’s important to note. It’s up to you whether you believe that concept in itself is plagiarism or just good advertisement. The problem with the possibility that Jake did say this is that the team took it too far and pretty much straight copied some stuff.
This is just a theory based off of what I know, it’s probably not right, but I felt like this needed to be said.
Edit: I just saw the end of the video, yeah the idea of the team choosing mode books sounds reasonable.
"Guys, guys, guys, it took me SO LONG to come up with the number 6. People will say 'that's so simple I could do it' yeah but you didn't" is this guy serious? 😒😑😑
granted, he gave it some thought. but i just can't stand the crybaby approach
Don't! I can't even believe he said that.
'it's ingenious'
'The hundreds of hours put into coming up with the number 6'
If you didn't know the situation you would think this is some kinda parody/satire rant 😂
Guy seriously has some narcissistic/god complex 🙄