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#Ignorance #Censorship
the owl's name was Simba and he was a sweetie!
was?
We finally get to see the owl from this owlman I've been hearing about
Ey, spoilers!
"Have you ever seen a wolf in the wild eating its brother?
Have you ever seen a dog bite a hand caring for it?
Have you ever seen a lying elephant, stealing, witnessing falsity, denying a truth, revealing a secret, walking proud of his mischief
Simba
Simba
Simba
Simba
Simba is coming, Simba came
Seven in the hill between the hyena strip
Simba is coming, Simba is coming
Seven in the hill between the hyena strip
Have you seen a wolf in the wild eating its brother?
Have you ever seen a dog bite a hand caring for it?
Have you ever seen a lying elephant, stealing, witnessing falsity, denying a truth, revealing a secret, walking proud of his mischief
Simba
Simba
Simba
Simba
Simba is coming, Simba came
Seven in the hill between the hyena strip
Simba is coming, Simba is coming
Seven in the hill between the hyena strip
Simba is coming, Simba came
Seven in the hill between the hyena strip
Simba is coming, Simba came
Seven in the hill between the hyena strip
Simba"
What "simba" reminded me of😭
If there's an owl named Simba, there should be a lion called Bundi. For balance
>saying three
>putting up four fingers
>listing two things
>calling them 1) and b)
brilliant
And they're both the same as well.
And the fact that I only noticed two of those things is shameful. Back to Khan Academy for all of us.
That got a good giggle out of me for sure
I love the little things like that.
Please timestamp for those of us who listen while we are otherwise occupied.
Abby you're going to isolate yourself from the trans community by coming out against cat girl manga
oh. i'm seething.
canceled tbh
Lord Occulon sees everything, including through the eyes of cat manga characters?!😳
heaven forefend!
Hi Matt
"Three of my previous girlfriends turned out to be lesbians and I still didn't realise I was trans" As a lesbian who was strangely attracted to Abby even before her coming out and transition, this is hilarious
Yea yea, I have a good suggestion for you
Oh my god, same. I was so happy when she came out. This actually happened to me with another person in my life who was living as a man at the time, and it was such a crazy experience of relief to learn way after the fact that she was a trans woman. much love from another lezi ❤️
@@slhpproductions6707 aww, did it work out between you two? Much love back ❤
@@Eva-el4lr unfortunately no, but she is a lovely person
Ya that is hilarious
Can we just take a moment to acknowledge that she got *the* two stereotypically useless degrees (philosophy & theatre) and is absolutely CRUSHING IT WITH BOTH OF THEM!?
You could do worse than philosophy, for sure.
I know right! She’s inspiring me a little too much with her success, I’m afraid that she’s undoing all of my self-convincing to not get two useless degrees.
those “useless degrees” are actually perfect for application to the current YT environment is all
@Michelle Sanders elaborate
@@aguyithink4119 that person *opened* with transphobia, you really want to waste your time with them?
If you're really curious, they're referencing a Greyzone hitpiece that took the information that Abby either is or at some point was working in a project with public funding as "ABSOLUTE PROOOF that she and ALL OF BREADTUBE are STATE DEPARTMENT ASSETS!!!!!!1!11!!!!11!!!1!"
Utter rubbish, but eh, if you're really into red fash crap, it can be somewhat compelling.
"it translates to '3 of my past girlfriends turned out to be lesbians and i didn't know i was trans'" i am DYING
That one got me so much I was too busy cackling to catch the bit right after it, so I'm gonna need to go back and rewatch it 😂😂That whole running joke in general was *chef's kiss* perfection! Though the whole video was, really
Wait, is this a sign? Is this why every woman I'm attracted to is gay?
My ex often questioned if I were gay. And my BFF called me her gay best friend even though I presented as a straight cis male then... They weren't completely right but mad how they knew more than I did!!
Too fucking relatable!
LMFAOOOOOOOOOO THIS IS SO GOOD 🤣🤣
As someone that needs subtitles, I would like to thank you for yours. Nobody seems to think that deaf folks like to laugh.
Just FYI the censored swearing text was also censored in the audio. Sadly it's often the case that the text gets censored even if the audio is not.
Yes the musical descriptions were very lolsome.
I leave them on for all videos, and really appreciate them here. It's like there are private jokes and sometimes a whole separate show for those of us with the captions going!
Shout-out to the owl!
her captions are brilliant, i usually have them on because of difficulty processing images & voices at the same time & i love that someone actually PLAYS in that space
@@thomasmurphyohara2145 Sometimes on television you'll see captions that don't match the dialog at all and you realize that you're seeing a parallel universe where a different joke got told or something. Star Trek The Next Generation would sometimes have different star dates going on.
"What kind of death comes from bliss"
"la petite mort"
"Lung cancer"
"oh..."
Thought the same thing.
Same here! 😂
“What kind of explosion makes no sound”
“The Cambrian explosion?”
“The truth”
“Oh…”
@@wyatttibbitts8603 I thought “space explosion”😂
@@wyatttibbitts8603 a nuclear explosion is silent if one is close enough.
As an English major, I can confirm Abigail's math checks out.
Professor, you are here? Lovely to know.
not the crossover I was expecting, but an enjoyable one nonetheless.
Icons supporting icons
omg hi prof
Everywhere I go, I see your face.
"Three of my previous girlfriends turned out to be lesbians and I still didn't realise I was trans" -- This is a personal attack and I can't stop laughing
Reading this comment while also re-watching 28:09 over and over is making me laugh so hard I might legit piss myself, LOL
I chuckled loudly at that and I hardly ever laugh.
After that sentence, I realise I need to do some serious introspection.
Fucking right?! I lost it. Like... Girl. You don't have to call me out like that. Damn I thought we were friends.
@@primotef8863 Good luck. It isn't really easy. It is worth it tho.
The good thing about Athena's list of your romantic failures is that you know which ones were failures and which ones weren't
I'm still giggling about how each one appearing in place of a definition of a philosophical term is a low- key burn each time.
"Lesbian Avengers" is probably the coolest name for a progressive activist group ever
Somebody please contact Marvel
@@puikepuck but, but…how would they peddle it to China?!
@@RozWBrazel "Avengers Who Love The Revolution More Than Men So Have Chosen to Remain Unmarried"
ngl it does have a better ring to it than Guerilla Girls
@@user-tg2li5ll2e Roommates-that-are-all-women Avengers
the fact that since she came out as trans she is beautifully smiling in every single thumbnail makes me really happy
she seems so comfortable and confident in her body! It's heartwarming to see
Oh, I know. I saw that thumbnail and just felt so warm inside.
Why not speak to her directly in your comments? Most people in here type about "she" but not "you"... I'm just curious.
@@SiergiejW because she has a big channel and can't read all the comments so most of them are too other viewers
@@Coop_Boop That's so weird. It's like, the channel is bigger than the author of the channel in some way. I think the author can sometimes read the comments though.
"three of my ex girlfriends turned out to be lesbians and I still didn't realize I was trans"
My neighbours heard me shriek in hysteria.
mine too
thats such a moood XDDDD
Me three...
see, my lesbian ex-girlfriend didn't come out as not-bi until well AFTER I came out as a girl.
LOL sameee
I feel you, I spent many years worrying if I was really straight...or if I was actually gay...or what...because I was attracted to more than one gender. Nobody had ever told me that being bisexual was an option.
I came out as bi to my parents almost 10 years ago (I think) and I still doubt that I’m bi/pan because I’ve never been involved with anyone of any gender. I think that I’m more attracted to men than women, but how can I know? Maybe I only think that way because of heterosexual normalization and a desire to be “normal”.
It doesn’t help that I was probably around 13 by the time I had my first crush on a girl that felt the same as previous crushes on boys.
Mood. I had like 15 years of "I don't like dudes because I like women too"
Whatever it is that you are, just know that it's perfect ;).
Yeah that's option C in the sexuality file.
@@gingergamergirl98 youre a mammal... heterosexuality is in fact the norm, you woudlnt be here if it werent. All human ever were born from a man who likes women and a women who likes men
Personal experience here: I live in Italy, where neuronormativity is INCREDIBLY strong. There's loads of metaphysical and epistemological scepticism towards mental health issues, which are still largely taboo; psychologists are seen as some sort of witch doctors, and, until recently, available information was scarce. It wasn't until about 4-5 years ago that I realised I have been suffering from anxiety and occasional depression since I was at least 14. It wasn't until less than a year ago that I had the economic resources to actually go to therapy, and deep-seated issues keep coming up at each and every appointment. I also have a history of feeling inadequate and rejected due to being forgetful, frequently zoning out during conversations, lectures, etc., often speaking out of turn, having a hellish time with deadlines and being very easily distracted. So one day, I read up by chance on inattentive ADHD, and the realisation hit me like a truck. My abysmal university records, my inability of keeping a job that requires deadlines, my extreme forgetfulness... suddenly, everything made sense. Before that, I often thought of ADHD as "being annoying and hyperactive", a perspective given by media and ableist discourse all around me. So many years of my life wasted in misery and self-hatred, and I will never get them back. Had there been more ADHD awareness when I was a child or even a teenager, my life would probably have been a lot more different. I might have learned some life hacks from people with the condition instead of being constantly told I was just lazy, or I might have got professional help. But really, at the end it was liberating, because now I can find out what I need to do in order to make my life less of a living hell and, most of all, I'm not lazy or stupid.
kid named finger:
I feel for you, until two years ago I didn't even know women can have ADHD. When I learned that, and learned about actual symptoms, it all made sense
Yeah... inattentive subtype do be like that
Welcome to the fam
btw... neuronormativity is not a real word, it was just made up like a few years ago (in the way people are defining it today) just thought I would let you know incase you put that on a CV or are applying for a job or something. :) have a good day.
I remember when there was just a white wall as background. She's come a long way!
Wait, Jim Groth?? Jim, you were my first subscriber! You left years ago when I "became a feminist," I still remember it - are you back??? Jim do you realise that the day you left this comment, the 31st of May, is the 7 year anniversary of me starting this show???
@@PhilosophyTube I think my reaction to feminism was a bit coloured by bad experiences. I have learned a lot since.
I had no clue it was that long ago!
@@PhilosophyTube btw, I have been back a while, but not kept up to date fully with your videos. I have little time for RUclips these days.
@@iamjimgroth Holy shit, Jim! WELCOME BACK! This is amazing hahahaha, welcome welcome welcome! It's so good to see you again!
@@PhilosophyTube thank you. Was not expecting to be remembered, let alone welcomed back. ☺️
the story about tobacco companies saying “doubt is our product” reallyyyyyyyy reminds me of how oil companies have convinced consumers that they are the real problem
And the sugary/junk/fast food industry. Why so many people, even children, suffer from obesity and related diseases such as type 2 diabetes surely has systemic factors worth considering but noooooo it's entirely our fault if we fall for marketing tactics and become addicted.
I'm so pissed at this industry right now. We are in a lockdown in my area (Ontario, Canada) due to COVID-19. I can't even go out to buy some socks. But alcohol, fast food, chips, candy? Oh boy, my grocery store has doubled the amount it had on display. Thought you could avoid the chips and candy aisles while you're lonely and frustrated? Think again, Bucko!
@@patrickdallaire5972 ever heard of a food desert?
And plastic companies funding adverts to reframe not dealing with plastic waste as the consumers failing decades ago.
Ignorance is strength
Freedom is slavery
Climate change isn't real
Legit suprised Abby didn't bring up climate change, but I suppose she might have been trying to reach people outside of her political tribe with this one.
“years of my life i’ve wasted in ignorance that i can never get back” hit home too hard..
Section 28 went beyond the harms you mentioned. It didn't just leave people who really would have benefited from knowing ignorant. Section 28 promoted homophobic bullying in schools. I qualified as a teacher a couple of years after it was repealed. When I got a job, I openly challenged pupils homophobic language and bullying based on sexuality and gender, but teachers warned me that I could get in trouble. I had to point out that the law never prevented tackling bullying only promotion, two very different things, and that the law no longer existed. While most of the staff were obviously distressed by the law, they were still terrified of becoming a victim of it, and it didn't even exist at that point, so I can only imagine it had been much worse when it did.
Me: *tries to ingest complex philosophical concepts*
Also me: Holy sh*t, that's a real f**king owl!
I spent the whole video trying to figure out if it was real or animatronic.
the first few head turns looked almost mechanical.
But naaah that's a real owl boi.
Right!?!
I'm an idiot. I was so enthralled by the actual piece that I didn't even comprehend there was an owl until I looked at the comments
@@stratospheric37 I noticed by was too engrossed in her diatribe, only now do I think it might be real
Same, you could be talking about the most *profound, important, life-changing things in the UNIVERSE* - If there is a living owl next to you, I know where my attention is going...
Before Abigail came out i used her as my one tentative connection to heterosexuality and then she came out and I was like “shit, I’ve never liked a man ever in my life”
I KNOW RIGHT
All I know is I’ve had a massive crush on her both before and since her coming out. She’s stunningly beautiful, elegant, clever, funny, charming, &, &, &. . .
🏳️🌈🤔
28:08
SAMEEEEEEE
Similar to the woman's description of learning she had postpartum depression, I had the same reaction to being diagnosed avoidant personality disorder.
Many people hear that and their response is to treat me like a victim who needs advice, who needs help out of a situation. People tell me I have to "get over it" when in reality, I get over it every day to do the things I have to do, and to even remain alive.
The reality is that the diagnosis is entirely liberating. Far from making me feel victimized, it makes me feel proud of myself for having made it this far at all. It's no longer a personal deficiency, but a combination of physiological things, and in my case, circumstance.
I blame myself for everything all the time, but at least now I don't blame myself for blaming myself.
That last sentence really is a gem
More like psychological discrimination and discriminatory treatment, behavior, viewpoint, perspective and biases.
before i got my adhd diagnosis i was so worried i didn’t have it because it would mean that i really was just “lazy” and “annoying” and my personality was just like that and there’s nothing i could do but try to manually change myself, which was proving to be exceptionally difficult. that diagnosis gave me hope that there was therapy i could go to, medicine i could take, and advice from others like me that i could follow to make my symptoms better. most relieved i’ve ever felt in my life.
From a young age it was drilled into me, that I could only love one person and that's all. I always thought somethings wrong with me because I loved more than one person. Than I found out about polyamory. And suddenly everything clicked. Living a much more fullfilling life now with a lot less shame and ignorance.
"Three of my previous girlfriends turned out to be lesbians and I still didn't realise I was trans." is, hands down, one of the best lines I've heard!
I feel 'literally' attacked by this line, and I also cannot stop laughing.
It's a mood.
@@katdootmov how?
@@mikeoxsmal8022 It’s an expression of speech people use when something accurately describes themselves or how they see themselves :)
I felt called out by that joke.
*has three lesbian exes* "Am I the trans?
... no, it's everyone else that is trans."
I mean... it's perhaps improbable, but certainly not impossible...
Maybe the real trans is the friends we made along the way
Maybe everyone is trans because we're ALL performing roles, changing constantly, and hiding our real faces and the term has no meaning at all and will be passé in 50 years @.@
@@quartetmaxwell hot take
The moment i realized the owl in the background was real, i was completely hooked. Also the way the romantic failures bit kept popping up every time i almost forgot about them was hilarious
watching my younger sister going through her teens knowing what trans means (and that she isnt broken for being how she is) is such a healing experience for me. I'm there to guide her through the stuff I had to learn the hard way, and seeing her flourish and be confident in herself truly truly makes me happy. ♥ thankyou for the thoughtful video!
homestuck username :>>
@@theredproxy you are the first person to ever notice... thankyou...
When I was 14 I was obsessed by another boy in my year but while I had learned that men could be sexually attracted to one another (mainly through homophobic jokes) I had no concept that they could be *romantically* attracted to one another. That fact was entirely absent from the social, cultural or educational information I had access to. All I knew was that I thought about him endlessly and obsessively. He was fascinating. I explained it to myself by reasoning that he was destined to be a great figure from world history like Napoleon or Mozart because that was the only context in which I heard men describe other men as “fascinating”. It took me a few years to figure out I was in a state of unrequited love and that this was a normal experience for most LGBT youth. I wish someone had told me.
I had a similar experience. It took me 25 years to figure out that the fact that I only crushed on women meant I was a lesbian. I thought that since I didn't necessarily want to fuck them, I was "basically straight" even though I had absolutely no interest in any man, ever.
Similarish experience: It took me a long time realize that I was experiencing romantic attraction but not sexual attraction (I'm a Biromantic Asexual) because most people just take for granted that sexual attraction and romantic attraction go together. I used to stess out over the thought of having sex in a relationship because it never occured to me that I could just say no to sex.
Ah. I drifted apart with my best friend from teenage years, and I never understood why I could never find a connection I had with her in any other friend I didn't have romantic interest in. And then I was like... Oh. Oh, I didn't know.
@@Rainbowthewindsage me too... But slightly different... I'm actually aromantic and asexual, but I tend to have intense and emotionally intimate friendships... Mostly with bisexual women but sometimes with bisexual men (how am I managing to only make friends with bisexual people? I only just realized I do that). I didn't realize that these "bestie" friendships were my brain's way of forming pseudo-romantic relationships until very recently when I noticed that these friendships were far more loving and emotionally intimate than any of my relationships were with actual boyfriends.
Tbh, my lack of experiencing this at all is why I’ve been so confused. Cause while I’m not fundamentally opposed to the idea of sexual or romantic relations with men or women, I’ve yet to have this theoretical idea ever be put into practice naturally. Which is why I think I’m ace and if I’m aro, refuse to acknowledge.
Abigail with red hair and dressed as the riddler, is something I never knew I needed
👀
As a physics grad, Abigail with red hair dressed as the riddler, talking about neutron modulators, is something I am so glad to have received
@@Ben10man2 riddle me this, riddle me that
the fact that you disn't know you need is an exemple of information not being held from you, the subject of the video
Yes!
I feel terrible for when I was roughly aged 9 and knew a person on a caravan site, who I shall call Daisy. Before being Daisy, she was Richard. I met them as Richard and they were a teenager who I played with despite age differences. Richard became Daisy during the time I had not been to the caravan, and I met Daisy in the 6 weeks holidays.
I had no idea what being transgender was like. In fact, I didn't know that it was a thing because I was denied that knowledge-never provided that knowledge. I thought it was a joke that they were calling themselves Daisy and, though my memory is foggy, I remember mocking Daisy for trying to trick me or whatever dumb excuse. I did this in front of people who, at the time, I called my friends. I looked at them for backup and clearly, they knew more than me. The older ones even sided with Daisy (which was good).
I've never said sorry to Daisy because I could never speak to Daisy again. I was a dumb child and I thought I was right. I wish I had said sorry, and should I meet her now-I will do more than say sorry; I will beg for forgiveness.
I remember telling my parents what happened because I wanted to know that I was in the right. It was awkward on the ride home (from the caravan site) when I brought it up. While I was told I was wrong, I wasn't *told* I was wrong. I wasn't told why I was wrong and I wasn't told about what being transgender is. It was never explained.
Watching this video doesn't make me feel better but it opens up my eyes. I can see the problem and I can see how I arrived at the conclusion that Daisy was having me on. I was ignorant.
I really enjoy these videos. They make you think. And they have reminded me of the above little story. I love this channel already and I am off to watch more. Sorry to anyone upset by what I've said, it wasn't the intended effect.
We've all got to learn at some point, and some how. I'm glad that you've learned and made attempts at correcting those past wrongs. I've made similar mistakes myself, though I feel I had less excuses going for myself. I hope that I can say sorry one day as well. Cheers ❤️
@choweb, For what it's worth, i hope you are able to forgive yourself. You were a child, and you just didn't understand. You've learned and grown since and you don't deserve to feel bad for the rest of your life because of some dumb things you said when you were young enough to need a booster seat.
@@Kfroguar Well, I wasn't actually that young. I was 18 at that time. I knew about trans people even then but I was too immature to take it very seriously. I know better now, at least.
@@MiroredImage oh! Um, with all due respect, i was meaning to reply to choweb. I should have put an @ in my comment to make that clear, sorry.
(Though I don't think you should beat yourself up either, of course!)
@@Kfroguar OH lmaoo it's okay my bad haha
In regards to hermeneutical injustice, I definitely feel it in terms of my queerness (along with a lot of people in the comments), but where it resonates with me in a major way is in regards to my ADHD. Throughout the entirety of my schooling, I always did well, but I often struggled to get things in on time, fidgeted by drawing in the margins of my books, and seemingly "procrastinated" because I often couldn't seem to make myself focus on things. Every parent-teacher interview of my life was "she's a great student, love having her in class, asks interesting questions, but needs to work on getting assignments submitted on time". The first time I heard the term ADHD and heard it described (by Markiplier, of all places lol) when I was 17 and in my second last year of school, it was a revelation. Oh my god, is there a reason I'm like this? The more I looked into it, the more quizzes and checklists from every source I could find that I did, the more things clicked. When I went to my doctor to ask about it, I was so nervous. To his credit, he took me seriously, but he didn't really know what to do, and after talking to a colleague, the eventual conclusion was "you're a teenager, it's just hormones. If you're struggling talk to the school counselor", never mind the fact that I'm not sure if we even technically had a school counselor. Certainly not ones who had any idea what to do about this. I am now 21, and I started ADHD medication about a month ago, and I have never felt better mentally. Every day, I wonder what I could've done if I had been diagnosed when I first suspected I had ADHD. I wonder, if I had been a boy would I have been diagnosed earlier? If I was more "disruptive", or had had "lower quality" work, would I have been taken seriously? How many breakdowns could've been avoided if I just knew what was happening in my brain and how to handle it? The lack of mental health knowledge and support, especially when it comes to things other than depression, anxiety, and boys with autism, in rural areas is absolutely abysmal. It's especially heinous among doctors and teachers, not because they're any more ignorant than other adults, but because they are the ones who need to know about this stuff the most. Doctors because they're medicals professionals, and teachers because of how mental health issues often first manifest or are most noticeable in schools and during adolescence. I told my teachers I thought I had ADHD and I was trying to manage it, and they tried to help however they could, but the vast majority just didn't know how to handle it. I, and every single student before and after me with mental illnesses, deserve to know about our own brains and have that support.
I got diagnosed at 28. Meds have helped me tremendously, I even no longer have passive suicidal thoughts, which were stemming from how incredibly hard everything was for me to do, although I was doing the bare minimum expected of adults. Anyway, since being diagnosed it strikes me as truly mad that we write school reports for children, which are often used as evidence to later support a diagnosis of ADHD in an adult, yet we don't have a simply system in place that uses those reports to flag kids who may have ADHD (or other mental conditions). It would be so simple and could save lives, because that's what is at stake, lives! It's that serious.
@@kirbyweller2870 oooh, that's a brilliant idea!
Absolutely straining my mind to consider what a theater company that’s NOT considered “too gay” would look like.
They'd look like an SAS Unit... and typically storm the audience some time in the third act.
Really gay
@@freddymarcel-marcum6831
Don't forget the rare and uber serious, "Just a little Gay" theatre company.
I mean, they've got theatres in Russia, so there must be a way to make it not gay.
Abigail: ‘...a list of my romantic failures... in alphabetical order.’
My initial reaction: ‘but it should clearly be in *chronological* order, why isn’t it in chronological order?’
Once I stopped dating, I realized I had no way of categorizing the phases of my life. In the absence of those chronological signposts, time has become an amorphous blur.
Which is why my aromantic butt uses degrees/hospitalizations/deaths
@@StayGreenBDifferent That's a fantastic autocorrect.
@@cf453 my phone is aphobic, apparently. Or, thinks I smell good.
Chronological *date*ing
I keep thinking about how much time in my life I spent trying to figure out what was wrong with me for not having crushes on anyone, until I attended a class in college about the psychoanalysis of asexuality, and honestly, I can relate to that feeling of all finally coming together all too well!
I love how this episode has that true crime, conspiracy theory, Gravity Falls type atmosphere. I’m out for an evening run alone and i’m getting chills all over listening to this video
Hey so this is very exciting! I am Jack Rear, the journalist mentioned at 22.45 - I actually had a huge paragraph about Section 28 in my piece and I cut it to fit my word limit, sort of wish I had kept it in now...
Wow, that's wild!
It would be awesome if you can to show it here. If you wish
Seconded - could you share the paragraph???
If legally possible I'd be interested in reading the full unedited piece. I didn't even know that section existed but it would explain a lot about my schooling (being born in 90s after all it would've played a factor).
@@Usernameneverseen Honestly doubt you'd find much to enjoy in the unedited version. That paragraph was really the only bit of consequence that I chopped. The only other things were some lame jokes, a few more personal details, and a slightly different discussion of internet porn. As far as I'm concerned, aside for losing this paragraph on Section 28, the printed version is the definitive one.
For me, part of being a good journalist, especially when I'm writing first-person lifestyle, is really knowing what serves the story and what doesn't. There's a lot of killing your darlings!
I love when Abigail says "if you're very clever, you've noticed..." and I did notice it and I spend a few seconds preening "that's me, I'm clever, Abby said I'm clever"
I just briefly turn into a pigeon whenever that happens.
@@DragonWinter36 Thank you for that image. :)
I was 27 when I first built up the courage to defy the society standards I grew up with and go see a therapist to talk about being uncomfortable with my gender. This hits close to home.
I love that this video implies that not only does Abby have enough romantic failures to fill a book, but enough to fill multiple books, and also that there's enough of them to be accidentally picked out in an entire library.
If my philosophy teacher is waiting for me when I die, I'm most certainly not in the good place
Well if I see mine then I owe god a huge apology. Cause clearly he answered my prayers. (Abigail is my philosophy teacher. 😉)
Same. At least if I see them in the afterlife they get to catch these hands.
I'm trying to remember who any of my philosophy teachers were. I only remember the ones who were cross-listed in media studies or comparative literature. I'm not even 100% sure which classes I took. There was definitely a lot of symbolic logic and ethics in there. I shared an apartment with a philosophy PhD student and I read some of her books. Read critical theory, anarchist stuff, relativist stuff, back in high school.
Joke's on you, Abby is my philosophy teacher.
@@excrubulent oh thats what god meant when was saying id 'be at the edge of Excrubulence". Thought it was the magic shrooms hitting hard.
Every time Abigail says "If you're very clever" she awakens another sleeper agent
In the before times I thought it was my teachers pet complex but as of the identity episode it once again turns out I'm just gay
The "realisation of ignorance" prat really hit home for me. Until two years ago I didn't even know that women can have ADHD, and when I learned that, and learned what ADHD *really* is like, then it all came to me in one massive swoop. Now I know, who I am and why I am the way I am. And I finally know that I'm not broken, worse than others or "not right". I am different. It was liberating, and while I still mourn the time and life lost in not knowing, getting to know was the best thing that happened to me my whole life. Better even than getting accepted into a music university in UK, when I was still living in Poland. And while I'm not officially diagnosed or medicated yet (neurodiversity diagnostic in UK sucks almost as bad as trans diagnostic) I am still better off knowing than living in ignorance.
From one who owns and maintains a library, when she pulled that lighter I felt terror.
Can you please confirm if Pratchet was correct about the existence of N-space?
Okay didn't realize that Athena was also the goddess of vintage synthesizers.
Who else?
Goddess of educational music and poetry, among other things. Of course she dοes vintage synthesisers! :p
Didn't become part of her mythos until they were invented.
Athena put out some bangers with that MPC
Athena confirmed trans
Abby - "I don't really know all that much about owls."
*turns to Simba*
- No offence.
Simba - *casts ruthless shade by turning away*
Simba was a fantastic costar
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Wow, another very good episode. So interesting and so relatable. For me, another example of ignorance creating significant forms of discrimination and injustice has to be the ableism present when dealing with neurodivergence, such as ASD/C. This is particularly the case for those with high-functioning autism.
Autism is a developmental condition that is most commonly picked up in childhood, but now we are seeing more and more awareness being raised about autism in adults. This is not just because autistic children are growing up to be adults, but because many cases of autism in children were never picked up, and now those people are adults themselves.
Many adults with ASD/C end up seeking a diagnosis after coming across societal difficulties - such as issues with the law or employment disciplinary processes. For decades such processes have been based on the concept that perception implies intent, and that behaviour is not only objectively observable but has innate, universal interpretations which mean that you can learn about intentions from behaviour. This meant criminal behaviour means criminal intent, offensive behaviour means offensive intent, and so forth.
As we learn more about ASD/C, we are learning the fallacy behind such principles, but the concept of perception equalling intent has been standardised within most of our law enforcement, justice systems, and social structures, which are now disproportionately discriminatory against those who are neurodivergent, to the point of many implicitly breaking Equality Law because of their discrimination.
With a diagnosis of ASD/C, we can see people being treated differently, because that can make the difference between deciding whether issues are based on malice or on misunderstanding, based on preconceptions of expected behaviour, responsibility, and intent.
What's saddest though has to be looking and seeing just how many people have been affected because of a lack of awareness regarding neurodivergence such as ASD/C. How many people could have had significantly different lives if they had been diagnosed in childhood, and been treated differently - with more tolerance and support - instead of being blamed, punished, and worse because of the preconceptions of others, and this notion that perception means intent.
Like the mother realising that they are not to blame for their post-natal depression, children, teens, and adults alike could have avoided being written off as simply bad people, and their lives gone in very different directions.
For me, I won't get the decades back following my ASD/C diagnosis. Years of tackling, fighting, and internalising the prejudices and preconceptions of others weren't just erased with a simple do over because of this diagnosis.
But being resentful for the ignorance of the past only brings more madness and misery. I can only go forwards with better understanding and awareness of myself and others, and help those around me do likewise.
Keep up the good work, Abigail!
Just had the “ignorance” conversation with a friend last month. Everyone on earth is ignorant to something 🌈 ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️
I went to a Catholic school and around the time I started to ricochet wildy between "oh god am I gay??" and "oh phew no its fine I must be straight" because I didn't yet know bisexuality was a thing, I asked my English teacher if she thought being gay was wrong, and she looked so so sad and conflicted for a moment, then she said, "My main hobby is musical theatre." With a really kind 'I hope you know what I'm getting at' smile.
I LOVE THAT RESPONSE
@@digestivecookie7026 She was such a good egg.
i didn't get it, what did she say?
@@lacanian1500 she was trying to tell OP that she's also gay, but wasn't allowed to say so out loud for fear of losing her job
@@lacanian1500 Basically "a lot of my friends are gay".
"Owh that's feckin' geeeey" right at the end just broke me. I'm in pain from this much laughter
Given my own similar behavior at the time, it looks like being a grade school kid in the American South and a primary school kid in the English North are not so different. Not trans like Abby is, at least I don't think so, but I am having a bit of doxological anxiety about related issues.
Abigail almost having a ring of keys moment 😅
I about died, laughing my ass off as hard as I did. Jesus, that timing and that North English accent just does me in, LOL
@@SixtySecondYoga I'm glad someone else appreciated the Ring of Keys-ness of that moment
I thought she said "gear"...
It's easy for me to write off willful ignorance as an "other people" problem but you've got me there on why I'm not vegetarian. I still try to minimize meat eating but I could educate myself on the details at any time and choose not to.
"How might my life have been different, if someone had just _told_ me?" Hits like a gut punch
Neat little parallel in that she really is talking about cigarettes this time, but the Arsonist's sister is also a great example of doxastic anxiety.
OMGoddess!!! That’s so true!!!
Good catch!
I'm so glad she included that disclaimer at the top or I probably would have Pepe Silvia'd myself into figuring out how the segment fits into the Arsonist Extended Universe canon
@@mycterism 'pepe silvia' is my favourite verb
Me in High School, Reading Yuri Manga: "I wish I was a girl"
Me, 10 years later: "OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH"
elden ring
Wow, i guess it can help people. :)
Same, but with yaoi/BL manga.
i feel attacked ;w;
I read both, Yuri and Yaoi Manga. Welcome to the chaotic world of being nonbinary and pansexual XD
You had me really tearing up at the end.
Also, I was so jazzed you cited Miranda Fricker at the end! Epistemic Injustice was a foundational concept in my masters thesis. Thank you so much for making these concepts accessible to the wider public! Your ability to break these concepts down pushes me to be a better educator.
As someone from a scientific background the concept of ignorance is a rather complex one. Without ignorance there can be no discovery. At the same time ignorance was, and in many cases still is, used to styme scientific discovery. For countless centuries what 'should' be known by the general populous has been controlled and was shaped by selfish, powerful individuals for their own gain. I both cherish ignorance as a means to continue exploring the unknown while also despising it when it is willfully indulged or enforced. The phrase "Ignorance is bliss" has far more layers of complexity than I ever realised when I first heard it and scoffed at it's ridiculous premise.
Ignorance in science also has a more complicated subtext in many situations. For one, do we NEED to discover this thing? In this limited time we have on earth, with its limited resources, is it worth studying if rats like wearing clothes? And secondly, do the ends of this discovery justify the means? From a certain perspective, you could call scientific ethics a form of censorship. Which if you think about it, many times things are censored merely because people believe that the knowledge will lead to greater harm to society. Is it ethical to allow people to know how to build an atomic bomb?
"The Marxism is Already Inside of You"
Abby I need that on a t shirt
With Sexy Riddler please
I’m a white enough tart that I’ve had a lot of things inside me. Marxism, Elitism, Sexism, Brian, that guy whose name I can’t remember.....
Thankfully many of those aren’t inside me so often.
Agreed!! I need this
My proposal for an alternative edition of the same shirt:
"The Marxism is stored in the balls"
Perhaps with the original quote on the sleeve or near the neck of the shirt
Yup, that one hit a very interesting chord somewhere in my subconscious... ahem and conscious.
"I just don't know very much about owls"
*Athena did not like that and will remember it*
One reason why Athena kept replacing every book Abigail wanted with a journal of her romantic failures.
I like how when Abigail said that, the owl turned its head away
@@owltn I guess we're lucky Athena didn't repeat one of her previous tantrums and turn Abigail into a Medusa. Though, I reckon if anyone can rock the snake hair look, it'd be Abby.
@@SA-mo3hq This is Ovidian revisionism and I will not stand for it!
I've played this video in the background about half a dozen times now, and I JUST realized there's a whole-ass, live owl on set.
That brown tartan pattern blouse thing looks sooo cozy and I WANT!
Doxastic anxiety
"Not much goin on around here, what's behind this door?"
-opens door and immediately closes it
"Oh, nope, is there a different door around here maybe?"
LMAO
doorxastic anxiety
"What door? And more importantly what's a door?"
"Doxastic anxiety about one's own identity" is a surprisingly insightful way of talking about repression. If all you know about being gay, bi, trans, etc. is "that's bad; people don't like that, whatever it is", anxiety about whether you might be "that" really is a barrier to seeking out information in the first place.
Most of my life in one comment.
Spent several years of my life scared that I might be anything close to gay, let alone researching anything lgbtq+ related
This happened to me with learning I was autistic, I only knew autistic people as targets of cyberbullying, it made me so scared to know more in case I was like them, when my psychologist suggested getting me tested for it all I could do was cry, I thought my life was over. I wish I had known sooner. I didn't deserve to grow up without help and thinking I was born broken. The autism helped me not notice any queerphobia I was experiencing until I was in my 20s though, so that's kinda good 😹
@Why are you here?
Yup. Me. XO 💔❤
@@noomi627 Also me - Autistic (with ptsd, tourettes, & dysautonomia for a lovely mix‐em‐up), Gay(&Not‐brave/healthy/rich enoughToTransitionToMale)•MixedJewishAtheist•& with Loads of Catholic Guilt.
The more I learn, the stupider I know I am.
XO💔❤💔❤
"just so long as the debate never stops, and the matter is never settled" This.
Your subtitles are what I'm here for, the fact that you're funny, informative, creative and clearly passionate is just gravy. 🤗
I remember sitting in language philosophy class listening to my professor talk about how having a name for something can be really powerful, and it hit me then that the "thing wrong with me" that I'd been trying to understand really was clinical depression, and it didn't have to look like my high school health textbook described it for it to be depression. A few years later, I would be reading about bisexuality online in the middle of the night, and realize, "Oh, that's me..." and the feeling of liberation that came with that was incredible.
I often hear people talk about labels being bad because you should see people as complex individuals rather than a collection of labels. I agree that people should be treated complexly, but I don't agree that labels are the issue. Labels can be an incredibly powerful tool to help people understand and accept themselves. Maybe not everyone needs that, but I know my ADHD label really did help me, and I'm glad you had the same experience with the 'clinical depression' and 'bisexual' labels.
@@Huntracony yeah I completely agree!
Some people don't find them useful, but many many people do. In my own experience, it's simply useful as a tool to describe myself, and can often be an aid to communicating the full complexity of a person.
Ultimately it's up to the individual to decide for themselves.
I realized at 8 or 9 that I liked girls AND boys, but I had only heard of gay and straight people, so I thought I was weird and broken until my friend came out to me as bisexual when we were 13. She explained to me what it was, and I finally had the words to express how I felt, and knew the language to be able to find people like me. Fast forward 8 years, and the exact same thing happened to me AGAIN when I learned about non-binary people.
I remember a friend telling me they were depressed and describing it and feeling "oh, so the fact that I've been holding back tears for eighteen months isn't just how life is"
@@chrissipumpkin interesting. Would you feel the same way if those labels didn't necessarily exist, but you were taught that both sexuality and gender were a spectrum?
I have a friend that's asked me multiple times if she should be considered bi bc she's also attracted to women but much less than men.
My argument is usually that it would depend on the conversation and what she'd be trying to convey with the label. If it were a discussion about LGBT oppression for instance, then I'd discourage broadcasting that if it's not her reality.
And regarding personal identification I'd just say that sexuality and attraction are in spectrums. Even amongst heterossexuals there are no rules. Some like feet, some like fluids, some like tall, short, skinny, fat, etc.
But ain't nobody got time to list all characteristics they're attracted to, so labels come in handy.
As a long time anorexic who failed treatment, the part about taking any excuse to not thinking about it, even if it means death gave me chills.
❤❤❤
whose treatment failed*
Don't make it sound like you failed to live up to the treatment. The treatment is/was there to help you, not the other way around.
Live healthy
I hope you get better soon, goodluck with recovery whenever u try next. Take care :)
As someone who worked at a library before, the way you put that book back on the shelf at the beginning of the vid... made me die a little inside... Anyways awesome content you're making Abby, I found your channel a few days ago and I became a huge fan... the style of these videos is so amazing and hella authentic, we don't deserve to watch this for free... so much effort
That ending is painfully relatable
When i was about 16 i went to a schoolmate and called her by her deadname, i then heard "its now" and i just, couldnt process it. I had never heard of transgender before.
Since 18 years old (about a year ago) im trans too now. I wish i learned this was an option earlier
I didn't even hear the word "transgender" until I was a sophomore in high school, and by that point my mother had already drilled into my head about how almost every kind of body modification is a sin against God. I remember reading an article in a magazine about a trans man with a mix of horror and fascination. On one hand, I was like "this is something people can do? I'm allowed to be a boy if I want to?" and on the other, I was like "this goes against God's design for humanity. If everyone decided to choose their gender, then everyone would be a boy. Some of us have to be girls." It wasn't until much later that I learned that most girls /like/ being girls.
Ok that last part is tooooo real man I felt that
My first experience was a father at our school with six kids (the mom died so they said) he thought his kids needed a dad more than a mom (so he said) he was about 6’4 thin he honestly horrified most of the kids because well we just knew that one of these things just didn’t belong here, it was very unsettling, the kids were tortured by everyone I felt nothing but sadness for them, they seriously got picked on so mercilessly. Personally I don’t care what you do but you can’t ask me to pretend I am not seeing what I am seeing and as a woman, I’m not ok with Woman being something you can just change into. It isn’t right or fair to take what is ours as if it is just a thing. And I’m not ok being called a CIS woman, no you can keep your moniker of trans woman as is because that is what is the truth no matter what how you feel, it is as silly as saying a black man is a white man because he says so. I love Abby because she is smart and puts on a good show, not because she is trans, I do miss the dead guy though.
@@pinchebruha405 To start off gender is a different thing than race so that's a false equivicocy.
What's more disturbing is a) how you seem ok with justifying abusing children because a parent may or may not be trans (I've met some skinny tall dudes so your initial anecdote comes off as you projecting insecurities just saying), b) that you're somehow threatened by trans women, and c) your selfish and controlling attitude that trans women must be silenced en masse to cater to your own whims and protect your feelings. Trans women are just trying to live their lives while dealing with bigots like you. You are the problem here.
I laughed a little bit, and while that’s terrible, bless your young little heart
@@pinchebruha405 You come across as a horrible person.
I understand that Abby is going for that "Batman's Riddler" vibe and all... but honestly, my first thought was "Oh no is Abby going to make us re-experience Tumblr's Once-ler"
Ditto
my mom just passed by while i was watching the video and asked "why is she dressed like a leprechaun?"
I wonder if the Riddler would be offended by being referred to as "Batman's Riddler." No one ever says "Superman's Lex Luthor."
@@MMallon425 I'm imagining him flipping out like Bela Lugosi in the Ed Wood biopic.
"Batman does not deserve to smell my shit!"
@@nawirodrigues
Because "She's Magically delicious!"
For long time I only had a vague idea of transgender, and I only ever saw or heard about it in regards to trans women. Then I stumbled on a Jammiedoger video back in 2015 and all of the pieces smashed into place. I had never even considered the possibility of trans men existing, and yet I knew that was who I was. And that realization was so traumatizing that it took nearly another 5 years for me to come out.
Bad ignorance! Go sit in the corner!
Totally the same. When I saw Samantha Lux for the first time and heard how she described being trans I was like "Wait wtf?! That checks out!". I got really panicked, because I knew that is me and that's what I want, but that I didn't want to go through that. I didn't want to think about it. So I tried to put aside, which didn't work.
Two and a half years later and I am still getting myself together one by one and allowing myself to be more, who I want to be.
@@sugonmad2402 You got this. It's super hard coming out, but it really is worth it to live as your authentic self. No pressure, though. Be safe and do things at your own pace.
This is great, I can tell I will be rewatching this a lot. Especially made me think about how my life would have been so different if anyone at any point ever during my childhood mentioned that asexuality and aromanticism were things. Like, even just alluding to the concepts would have been kinda neat!
“3 of my previous girlfriends turned out to be lesbians, and I still didn’t realize that I was trans”, I just gotta say: all of my male crushes that kept me “interested in straight men” turned out to be trans or non-binary and I still was surprised every single time it happened
I'm a straight man who's never dated a straight woman, and it makes me wonder if I might be trans or non-binary subconsciously or something. I could also just be an extremely feminine man, but who knows?
@@thegamesthief eh, just do what feels right to you. Ive had to change labels for my sexually multiple times and now i dont know why i bothered with them to start with.
@@thegamesthief don't stress about it. I've never dated either and labels only need to work an feel good for you. there is no right or wrong and you don't have a time limit for when you have to have anything figured out♡
@@thegamesthief all of this gentle encouragement aside, working out a label for yourself can be really helpful for finding people who you get on with, and remove a lot of anxiety around socialising with people who don’t get “you”
Sometimes finding words for yourself that make sense to you can be life changing, simply because it helps you find words that other people will identify with, and you’re much more likely to share a common bond with them,
Making significant and important relationships way way easier!
If you’re curious and questioning about being non binary, I’d really recommend finding someone who openly identifies as non binary and introducing yourself as questioning gender, and seeing if their experience of gender has some parallels with yours!
That’s what I did, and it really really helped me work myself out,
Having open conversations with people who identify using similar labels was really life changing for me.
Non-binary?
11011 0011
Doxastic anxiety is when I deliberately avoid learning about how much studying I have to do for a test for the longest possible period of time to avoid getting a mental breakdown for the longest possible period of time also because breakdowns are inevitable
Oh shit... uh... me too I guess. Hey there, I guess we put ourselves in the same sinking boat.
@@awildnuisanceappears2784 sinking boat is a great way to describe the situation yes. I hope things get better for you soon.
a similar thing happened to me, but it was for my final year project during university. i had my whole final year to do the project, but doxastic anxiety made me procrastinate till literally the last month because i didn't want to go through the same kind of mental breakdowns and all-nighters i got during my third year.
@@madeofcastiron Cramming the work of a whole year in one month is impressive
@@D9992. i mean i ended up getting a 2-week extension, but still, thank you for acknowledging my efforts. that means a lot to me ;-;
Pretty much every video by philosophy tube I find myself wishing it wouldn’t end, just the ideas and the thinking and how I feel my whole view of the whole shifting is so addicting. So glad I found this channel ❤
It gives me hope that something hateful like section 28, that was passed into law in my own lifetime, has so quickly (in relative terms) become something unthinkable in today's society. I wasn't given what I needed in order to understand my own bisexuality, or to be a trans ally, but I'm getting there anyway. By removing S28, my kid's generation are getting a huge head-start, which should lead to more tolerance and understanding in future society.
The flip side is that, because it has happened so fast, many of the people who supported it at the time are still in power now. Maybe they pretend they weren't partly responsible for it, maybe they are still unashamed. I don't know which is worse.
I mean, it's no shirtless Abby in a Devil costume holding a snake, but that Riddler outfit certainly made me Feel Things.
Hell to the Yeah!
No snake, but still we got an owl as animal sidekick!
What episode of PhilosophyTube was her half nude ft: snake and devil costume?
It's her first video on Jordan Peterson
I know that this comment is going to be buried, but as a young trans person, these videos mean the world to me.
We are living in very different times now, compared to when she was growing up, but these videos still really affect me, more than most other content out there.
I’m not even sure quite why they hit so hard in comparison to everything else, maybe it’s just that the topic of trans isn’t totally isolated from any other discussion. Whatever it is, every video that she’s made- especially the recent ones- really do hit me like nothing else. I feel so lucky that I’m able to access this, it seriously means the world.
I'm an older trans guy although new on HRT and I feel the same way. I love how Abigail makes transgender issues part of the conversation, but not the whole of the conversation. It's very... normal feeling. Being trans doesn't need to be ALL of my life and who I am, but it can be PART of my life and who I am. Your comment (and you) has been seen.
Makes you feel real, doesn’t it?
Hugs, little trans sibling.
I'm having trouble with my mental health and your videos really help me, your presence calms me down and I also learn a lot. I'm so happy I found this. Your narration also helps me to relax and fall asleep when insomnia is kicking me. Luv
This episode made me think so much. Specifically the Hermeneutical injustice. I was recently watching a interview by Dr. Mike where he alluded to not wanting to give diagnosis to patients for fear of labeling their condition. Waxing about how labels may feed into how a patient sees themselves Even at times inferring that it may be a public danger to disperse information about disorders. As someone with a few medical acronyms to my name It outraged me and I couldn't find the words to explain why until today. How dare they even contemplate denying information and paint it as some sort of caring for the patient.
more hermeneutic violence: me not being informed about the concept of hermeneutic violence until this video, and thus never having gotten the opportunity to realize that "not being told gay people exist" and "never meeting a gay person until i was an adult" was in fact a form of harm (in the form of hermeneutic violence) being done to me as a child and as an adolescent. thanks for the video by the way i cried xoxo
Segregation is a form of hermeneutic violence as well. I grew up in a neighborhood that wasn't legally segregated in any way, but it was extremely white (I think there was only one black kid in the school I went to) until I moved when I was about 12 and that really harmed me. To this day my brain still acts as if black people are something strange, even though I see a lot more black people nowadays. I hope I hide it well enough and don't let it affect my (re)actions, I certainly try, but it's not ideal to say the least. Exposure, especially to children, is incredibly important.
i didn’t know gay people existed until i was already in middle school, because even though i have a lesbian cousin who started dating her now-wife when i was little, my parents only ever referred to her as my cousin’s “special friend”. ostensibly this was to 1) not upset my great grandmother and 2) give me a “foundation of what a good christian family looks like” or some shit like that. my parents have changed over the years, but i still feel angry. hell they never even told me about trans people, a classmate had to explain that to me in 7th or 8th grade. i’m still angry about it.
@@freckledginger Why U mad bro? Be glad you now get it instead? Although I can't really judge, being from a single mom household I basically learned about gay the same time I learned about straight... "Wait, don't fret about two dads... what you mean people have two parents?" lol!
"I only know 3 things about mathematics:
1. I'm not very good at it.
B. I'm not very good at it."
Lmao didnt even notice how intuitively comical
She also held up 4 fingers while saying “3 things”
@@elisecode2212 Nice, totally missed that.
While she was holding up 4 fingers
I noticed that and was like wait what 🤣
By far, this is the most personally significant episode of PT yet. Thank you for giving me the vocabulary to share my experience with loved ones and to educate myself and others.
1:45
The “I’m not very good at it joke” had me repeating that short joke because of the LAYERS.
1. “I only know 3 things about maths”
2. (Holds up 4 fingers)
3. “1. I’m not very good at it” (same)
4. “B. I’m also not very good at it” (1->B, love it)
5. End of joke. A two item list, indicated by 4 fingers and said as “3 things”
The perfect joke about being bad at maths as far as I care
"ignorance is when the conversation never stops" - jackie jackson from the freedom report has entered the chat
"Welcome to the Freedom Report, where the debate never stops." (mildly threatening)
*”except for when my show is over “GET OUT!!!”
I was raised in an extremely rural area of the US - a real case study in agnotology. I didn't know trans was a thing until my college years in the mid 2000s. Abi's coming out video (and the convo I had with my sibs after watching it) made me realise I'm trans. Now I'm in my mid-30s and transitioning - so that "better late than never" line really hit me in the feels.
I'm really happy for you! And like, same.
Mazel tov. Solidarity, sibling.
I'm nearly 40, and am just now transitioning as well.
White suburbia upbringing, not rural, but that social class has its own flavors of agnotology to study lol.
Congratulations!! I grew up in an Evangelical family and thought my attraction to women was something all straight women experienced, because otherwise what did "choosing to be gay" even mean?
Took me until my mid 20s to figure out for sure I was bi, only been open about it too everybody in the last year. Early 30s now. So, yeah. Different circumstances, but I definitely relate to how ignorance can keep you from understanding yourself... Sigh.
I'm old, so my late mother's youth was long ago. In rural Texas.
After being exposed to the wider world, partly through media, she remembered a guy from her home town. A fine fellow, really interesting but unusual.
Was he really gay? Did he ever figure it out?
This channel is absolutely phenomenal. I just discovered Abigail and her amazing presentations this morning. The production values, the content, and the expertise of the presenter make it a joy to watch and learn in way that is engaging and fun. Bravo!!!
I feel like active ignorance is practiced heavily at my place of work.
The old "if we don't ask the scary question, we won't have to worry that the answer is what we don't want to hear" thing. Same, same, same.
You nailed it, @@adm1nspotter
I was diagnosed as autistic when I was 26, it is the single most liberating and life changing experience I've ever had.
I can't understate this enough. I hate when parents don't tell kids about a diagnosis. They think they're protecting their kids but the kids knows. We know we're different we just didn't know why and there is soooooooo much shame and guilt.
Getting diagnosed set me free
Say it louder for the people in the back!
Yes. And yes.
When I first figured out, I laid down on my bed and just breathed for 30 minutes.
I was savoring the air 'cause it was so sweet and I wanted to remember it.
I was diagnosed in november at 31, after almost a decade in specialist psychiatry going through different diagnosis, the diagnosis has saved my life.
Same here, I felt like an alien all my life but my parents didn't want to "label" me with stuff. Well, I'm 29 now. I'm autistic and asexual and I just cannot even explain how much those labels helped me feel like I wasn't a broken failure of a person.
"Three of my ex girl friends turned out to be lesbians and I still didn't realize I was trans"
So, like, is this a common experience or what? Because the same exact thing happened with me
@Jake Sargeras I mean it's not necessarily as uncommon as you might think. LGBT people tend to clump together even before they realize they're LGBT; there are plenty of stories of entire friend groups going from cishet to all flavors of the acroynm in a couple years.
youtuber dylan burns had the opposite experience where someone he was dating later turned out to be a trans man and he came out as gay a while later.
@@static_actual Yup. Had best friends for years, while every other friend fell off. The ones that still clung together? Raging bisexuals if not a few being trans.
all my relationships with straight guys and lesbians were kinda weird, turns out i'm a guy, oops :D
As a lesbian I was confused as to why I thought Abby was cute before she came out , it made me question myself a little , now it just validates my lesbianism even more ! I’m attracted to female vibes more than anything , I guess I wasn’t the only lesbian who could see the female vibes in her before she came out
genuinely an incredible video, one of the platforms must watch channels.
I can relate to the end where you talked about meeting a trans person for the first time, our sex ed at school was basically nothing, I didn't know anything about the LGBT community until I moved to a city with more people and met some, I was hanging out with a friend and she asked if I liked anyone, and I thought about it and said I don't like anyone or find anyone attractive in the way other people describe attraction, she asked if I was Asexual, obviously I asked what the hell is that. after a very long conversation where she described it and it perfectly matched how I was experiencing life and realised I was Ace. I didn't know you could just not be attracted to people normally, I didn't know it was ok to not actively pursue any sexual relations, I felt guilty for so long because I wasn't attracted to anyone and people expected me to be, I finnally felt comfortable to not be attracted to people and tell relatives I wasn't looking for a relationship.
It's been years since I discovered your channel. I hold it close to my mind and heart in a way. You provide quality work, insights and information. Thank you for that ❤
As a Biology student its pisses me off entirley when people take the final line of a paper saying "more research is needed" then completely ignore anything in the body. More research is almost always needed.
...and, which is even more important, more research (by itself) would never hurt and would always be useful.
True. So far I've yet to read a paper that ends with "We think this is all there is to know about the topic so please go research something else."
Damn, you managed to spell out a point that I've been trying to put into proper words for over a year.
Im a trans guy and i first realized I was trans when i was 8 years old. I stood before my bathroom mirror and thought 'i am a boy'. But because no one had ever told me that trans people are a thing, i thought, 'i am a boy, but for that can't be, i am not'.
I knew all along that I wasn't a boy, but by the time I learned transition was a thing, I just wanted to die. To this day, anything involving transgender teens makes me cry for what I would give anything to have had.
“Sure, I want to be a boy, but I like dolls, I don’t spend every minute of my life in complete agony, and people think I’m good at being a girl, so there’s nothing to it clearly, let me just roleplay and write extensively as anyone but me, anywhere but here”
same thing like i very obviously had incongruence from a young age and just assumed i was a woman, and until transness was explained in a way that actually made sense i realized it was me
@@Alice-gr1kb The egg cracks at last. It’s for the best, even if it’s disorienting or painful at first. Solidarity.
same yo
You have a unique gift of creating "understanding" in a pleasant, intellectual way. Thanks for being there!
Watching your Comeing Out Video, and your newer Videos, one can really See the Progress you Made, keep Up the great Work! You got this!
Girl. Your production value. You have, like, a whole ass tv-show, the intro feels like one of those amazing British history shows. OI am so in love with your costumes and editing and sets lately; like you've been able to let your creativity lose and thrive, I'm so proud of you, and I hope you're immensely proud of yourself 🖤
@@chrisstoltz3648 Bare minimum all the creative thoughts don't have share head space with all of the anxiety and self doubt anymore. Probably makes, at least that aspect, of her life a lot simpler.
@Coom Lord cope and seethe loser. you don't acknowledge someones gender even after they tell you.
@@lazerizer6895 It's clearly a troll account. I've already reported the comment and I suggest you do the same.
This brings back so many memories. I grew up in Wales during the height of Section 28, and it did terrible harm to so many people.
Back when I was in primary school there was a boy who exhibited traditionally feminine characteristics. We knew nothing about being gay, or Trans, or anything that wasn't "normal" (i.e. cisgender heterosexuality), save for one thing: Being gay was bad, really, REALLY bad. So the kid got bullied for his mannerisms, his voice, his hair. The poor thing was ginger too, so that didn't help with the taunts. At one point another boy refused to sit next to him, tears streaming down his face. His reason? Someone - I'm guessing an adult in his family - had told him that if he sat next to a gay person, he'd get AIDS and die. A fucking adult human being told this to a 10 year old child. In the end the tormented kid was pulled from the school, and his mother packed up and took the family to another town. That was how bad the attitude was in my area. I think of that kid every day, because I should have sat with him more often. He was my friend, and I didn't give him enough support. I should have stood by him, not least of all because I was much the same. The difference is that I was autistic, and already masking to high heaven. I'd noticed that his "girliness" (apologies for the non-word) got negative responses from the other children, so I nerfed that aspect of myself. I repressed it and actively avoided anything that might "give the game away". I subjected myself to DIY conversion therapy for fuck's sake, and I didn't truly start to accept myself for who I really was until I hit my early 20s, and even then I was still repressing a whole lot. I've only recently starting to openly identify as non-binary and pansexual, just in time for my 35th birthday.
Apologies for the personal rant. Every time I'm reminded of Section 28 I go a bit crazy. The fact that the same old shit is being trotted out and aimed at Trans people makes me so angry, especially when they use the dreaded "think of the children". They weren't thinking of the children then, and they're not thinking of them now. Fascist pricks.
As always it's a pleasure to devour your content Abigail. My wife loves the videos too, though tonight she was especially impressed with your keyboards and Riddler outfit X
god the bit about masking and giving the game away was TOO real
"They weren't thinking of the children then, and they're not thinking of them now" I love that line in particular because it's so true. Bigots love to weaponize children- depersonifying them as an ideal of purity that must be protected and maintained rather than seeing them as a group of human beings with wants, needs, varying personalities, identities and ways of expressing themselves- to enforce whatever passes as "normal" to adults who are pathetically incapable of dealing with a world with different people in it.
@@bluesimon3356 Well, the ginger thing AFAIK is a holdover from anti-Irish racism that got divorced from its original context when it was no longer popular to hate the Irish (that would've been a bit after WW2, mind.)
So people now still culturally 'remember' that it's ok to make fun of gingers, but not that making fun of gingers was just another way of being shitty towards Irish people when that was still a thing.
@@bluesimon3356 The term as I understand it exclusively refers to discrimination based on skin colour. In fact, efforts to draw attention to discriminatory attitudes in relation to red hair have received an extremely lukewarm response in the UK. A petition to bring this issue before Parliament only managed to get 24 signatures before it was abandoned.
It is rather interesting to be honest. When I was growing up in the late 80s and early 90s, my school was almost exclusively white. After a while a couple of Chinese kids, an Indian boy, and two Nigerian girls joined our class. I have no recollection of any racist attitudes towards them, but I do remember a ginger kid named Ian being mercilessly tormented for his red hair. Of course that's not to say that the POC students weren't getting bullied behind the scenes. I just remember that the ginger hate seemed somehow more acceptable. We only later learned about racism based on skin colour. In fact I was talking about this to my wife a few days ago, that we had no notion of racism until adults told us about it. Up to that point they were just kids that looked a little different from us. My first experience of straight up racism was a particularly unpleasant relative making remarks about "Pakis". Before that we were all quite innocent, and I wish someone had put that guy in his place right at the start. Give a racist a little tolerance, and before you know it they're making "jokes" about gas chambers (yes, he actually did).
Sorry, bit of a tangent there. Some forms of discrimination aren't really acknowledged as they should be, and ginger mockery seems to be one of them.
@@bluesimon3356 Hi again. I referred to the children in question as "Chinese" because they were Cantonese-speaking immigrants from Hong Kong, and self-identified as Chinese. I tend to be quite particular when it comes to such things.
I fully agree with your thoughts on various forms of prejudice, though I can't respond at present in a properly eloquent manner. My apologies for that.
Wow - this was my first video of yours I’ve watched and it was so well done! Time to binge. And I really appreciate how slowly and quietly you speak! It was so easy to follow along and absorb even while I was doing something else. 💕
My journals are filling with notes from your videos. I have lists of quotes by Abigail Thorn. I’m late to the channel, but am quickly catching up. Thank you for devoting yourself to this work. I appreciate you so much!