Hello Future Me Doesn't Understand Plot Armor | EFAP Highlights
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- The guys check out Hello Future Me's video about plot armor. He doesn't seem to understand it too well.
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I love that EFAP is a podcast where a 2 and a half hour video is still just a "Highlight", like... wow.
It clearly highlights that the entire 2 and a half hour video is a masterpiece, duh
I mean, in fairness, *most* of this video is tangential jokes and Rags' patented stupid hyperbolic hypotheticals that take up 10-20mins.
If that happens *just* 6 times, that's an extra *HOUR* of talking that is mostly divorced from the actual topic. One of the more egregious ones is the "Would you Kill Efap to Save Star Wars" hypotheticals? Which was spawned from a 5 second clip of Luke's death in TLJ in a video about plot armor.
Rather than discussing if Luke should be considered to have plot armor in TLJ, or the circumstances surrounding the assertion that characters in Star Wars in *general* have plot armor, the crew goes "EWWWWWWW NOOOOO TLJ *BAD!"* and then Rags goes "TLJ was so bad, it BIRTHED Efap, it's why we're all here." which, in a subversion of expectations, led to someone *ELSE* starting the tangent, which goes on, then springs off on an equally unrelated tangent about Rian Johnson and Star Wars and film making, all *TOTALLY* unrelated to the video being discussed, and it goes on for roughly 10 minutes.
This happens *A LOT* on Efap, there's a reason the "hyperlight" series of efap shorts are able to cut even "highlights" like these down to half their length -- they cut out all the tangents unrelated to the content and they save 2-8hrs depending on the thing being covered.
You'll notice the EFAPs where the tangents arent taken as often, are also the shorter EFAPs.
@@nananamamana3591
Congratulations, or I’m sorry this has happened.
I ain’t reading all that
First time!? 😅
@@nananamamana3591I'd say a good example can be found in this channel itself. The Star Wars shill video. Wolf made a "tangent only" cut and that was about 80-90% of the total video.
Hello future me has gone full clown mode recently when he decided to call out the little platoon and random film talk as being ChUdS… then deleted that section from the video 😂
I actually liked his content up until then. His breakdown of the Shyamalan Last Airbender disaster is still one of my favorite videos out there.
Well, we love a good redemption arc
@@RikkaisLaw
That’s not a redemption
@@tanner201x8 maybe he's hoping for one?
@@RikkaisLawIt’s a start. You have any idea how many dipshits would keep that section in with genuine pride?
I love the idea of MauLer rubbing his hands together thinking he stumbled upon a fantastic excuse to bully E;R with bad Korra takes from a real goober.
HFM already called ER a "regarded" for his Legend of K(Wh)orra
May I ask who ER is?
He's the third fellow from the left, just before Fringy.
They lock him in a chair, giving him the Clockwork Orange treatment
@@T-Bone_SSteak infamous nazi joke pewdiepie got cancelled for was from watching ER video, thats how most know of him
I'm convinced that liking Star Wars excessively marks you for death by the Norwood Reaper. I have yet to see one of these Star Wars influencers with a full hairline
Ironically George Lucas has one of the best hairlines out there, especially for his age
@@thedripkaiser574"I guide myself to a treasure that others cannot possess." -Giorgio Von Peterson
@@thedripkaiser574 Every time a Star Wars shill loses his hairline, George gets another year of quality growth.
You just don’t understand how stressful it is to pretend Star Wars is good. That shit will make your hair disappear.
Moment for when you have so many guests that they break the boundaries of the side bar.
*cries in no friends*
@@trygveplaustrum4634 terrible videos brings ppl together ❤
And they talk over each other so you can't understand half of what they're saying.
Saitama doesn’t have plot armor… he doesn’t magically gain some new unexplained abilities whenever he faces a new powerful opponent… he is simply so strong that nothing can hurt him and he beats everyone by punching them.
Even his super move is just a series of serious punches.
But King has plot armor… I would even say that plot armor is his super power.
He is just a normal guy and every opponent would defeat him effortlessly… but whenever he is in danger he gets saved by pure coincidence or by Saitama who arrives just in time to save King, sometimes without even noticing it.
Usually enemies don’t even try to attack him because they somehow mistake his fear and insecurity for confidence.😅
For the most part yeah, funny thing is it's also not really "plot armor" because fighting is not the plot of the series. Saitama is never in danger because that is not the point of the show. The point is growing boredom with life, making friends and learning to enjoy life again even if he's too strong to enjoy fights. Simply put his fighting ability is given the same level of attention as a Hero going the bathroom.
It's just something that happens, you don't build entire episodes around it.
@@JustaGuy_Gaming
Sure, constantly defeating new and even stronger enemies definitely isn’t the point of the story.
We only realize how strong an opponent is when he fights against side characters… but when Saitama shows up the fights are usually over pretty quick and very anticlimactic.
So you are correct that plot armor would be a very silly criticism… because the point of the show is that being too powerful can also be miserable.
I suppose the other way of looking at it is that he’s one of those unfortunate background characters who always gets caught in the crossfire yet survives (like Bulk and Skull), but somehow always seems to be assumed to be the hero, despite being too traumatised to answer questions.
The fact everyone assumes his lack of communication is grim stoicism is hilarious.
I’m wondering if there’s going to be a reveal that he has some sort of semi-sentient reputation that’s actively protecting him or something like that. Again, hilarious.
I wouldnt say King has plot armor, his superpower is just Domino from Marvel, he has exceptional luck and he is always in the right place at the right time, which leads to him being given credit for things he didnt do.
@@Shiirow
Plot armor is basically the same as being ridiculously lucky.
There was a short story about King where 6 assassins were sent after him in a diner and when he talked with the waitress about his order the assassins ran away because they thought that King noticed them and just spared their lives.
Stuff like that happens a lot… usually King is smart and purposely tries to buy time by talking with his enemies… but apparently it also happens unconsciously.
*I’m sure “Future Me” will look upon “Past Me” with shame.*
Nah he’s doubled down since then.
His Big 2hr video where he criticizes The Rings of Power he dedicates 30mins to basically call everyone else critical of ROP as being le racist.
But he’s totally not like those other ppl he’s not like Nerdrotic, or Random Film Talks, or The Critical Drinker.
He’s since reuploaded the video with that section removed but the fact that he had made a 30min smear section just to distance himself from others he views as “problematic” is very telling that he is only getting worse.
lets be fair. anyone looks at their past self with shame.
@@samdurfee6093 Is it still possible to find the unedited version somewhere?
@@SavageStarlight42 not the full video, but I'm pretty sure RFT has a vid on his 2nd channel where he reacts to it
You should be ashamed of your past self to some degree. That's how you know you're growing and getting better as a person@@melonetankberry5211
Historical figures in historical fiction have the ultimate plot armor unless it happens to take place specifically in the time when they died. I cackle every time a director or storyteller tries to drum up drama of putting them in dangerous situations for tension when you as the audience already know they’re going to survive.
Real life plot armor is sometimes.... hilarious. (Used as meaning a person surviving something they should have almost definitely died in)
Hitler in Inglorious Bastards: What plot armor?
Manfredi's trilogy about Aleksandros the Great destroyed me. Ofc I knew the history already, but I wasn't ready to see it go down like this.
General Vasily Chuikov had some serious plot armor.
@@donovandelozier7156 Fidel Castro had the most plot armor of any antagonist in history, even the overpowered Mary Sue-esque US Government failed to take him out like a hundred times
About this whole "burning the Viking boat" analogy, Ryan Johnson forgot to say that this time , there was a live person screaming and pleading for their life inside the boat while he burned it down, only to barely survive and end up scarred and deformed, that would be the correct analogy of what he did to Star Wars.
Just your opinion many enjoyed the movie I swear everyone on this channel thinks their opinion is the be all and end all they can't fathom people watch movies differently or enjoy different things
@@leecameron9226 Opinions are one thing. However TLJ contradicts itself over and over, so it is objectively a poor story. If you enjoy it that is one thing. But your enjoyment of something does NOT make it good.
@@witchking2063 that doesn't make anything sense because many people watch movies and don't delve deep into the problems or accept them if the movie earns it or is executed well or the characters are likeable. Your take is so arrogant you don't get too tell anyone if a movie is actually good or not because you think it is doesn't mean shit
@@witchking2063 I think the last jedi was incredibly boring on first viewing nothing compel me to watch it again but some might but I don't care if someone thinks it's good their point of view is different through different life experiences
@@witchking2063 if someone says the last jedi is good they aren't wrong you just don't understand where their coming from because you are so confident and arrogant that you are never strong
Hello my Sith words
What's good my Vader?
@@nananamamana3591 Damn dirty Vaders.
@nananamamana3591 Yoooo, it's Vada, watch that hard r brother 😂
I wish I could say I was surprised to hear they tried to spin that saying Sith was a slur
😅
"Hello Future Me Doesn't Understand Plot Armor". Hello Future Me doesn't understand fiction writing.
The only thing he understands is Avatar the Last Airbender
@@marcogenovesi8570 He's good at making RUclips videos.
But I was assured he was a Media Literate person. Look at all the books on writing he has so casually placed behind him with his YA fiction! How could he not be a True Media Understander?
"We like the Act guy here" didn't age well
Sadly.
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I think it’s more of not trusting him anymore rather than not liking him. Idk though
@@johnnyjay6959not liking someone because they're untrustworthy
@@TobyLerone76bro never getting on EFAP again
Hearing Act Man in these recaps is surreal. Shame.
What do you mean? Is it about the AZ stuff a few months ago?
@SinderSoyl all his content is now trash, you know this to be true.
@@SinderSoylit’s the stuff that happened with him and AZ plus only months later he basically said the same thing that he told Az off for!!!?!? An I’ve seen one or two videos of his that’s about it though so I dunno
You can hear him? I see his icon light up like he's talking but I don't hear much lol
@@SinderSoyl His feud with Az is of no real consequence. It was when he decided to leak private DMs between himself and Mauler that he burned the bridge behind him. Disputes between people come and go, but when you betray the trust of your friends in the pursuit of self-vindication, you show a glimpse of your inner most self. It's not a pretty sight.
Plot armour is when the audience believes a character has no business of surviving but they do. It is more obvious when said character continues to survive multiple times when they were supposed to die each time. One Punch does not have plot armour because we the audience are never in a position where we expect him to die ever. Jon, Dany and Arya all have plot armour.
This is the reason why the Fridge scene in Indiana Jones is hated. He wouldn't survive for a multitude of reasons. If the scene was restructured. Where if Indy had time to dig a hole. and put the fridge on top of the hole. And the fridge flies past the camera, destroyed. Than seeing Indy climb out of that hole. That would be a better way of survival.
@cf-yg4bd But if I remember they did pick a gun that jammed a lot. And it continued to jam for the rest of the car chase. So they care to keep the problem going.
From one side I like his writing advice... From the other he is very bad at noticing when it's not applied or when someone makes a horrendous mistake.
Also very much refuses to notice mistakes in stuff he is excited about.
I have my issues, as I do with most writing advice channels that don't explain the *_situations_* where the advice is useful & act like the advice is universally applicable. One thing I always hate which I saw at least implied by him is the claim that evil villains are simple & that's bad writing. It is infuriating. Evil itself is an extremely complex idea to explore with countless facets & argumentations within it. Evil is not at all necessarily simple, there are many expressions & explorations for it. Further simple villains are not bad, they're just not the main focus. There are countless reasons to use simple villains.
@@pubcle Yeh simple villains have to be used in many stories, sometimes simply down to the story structure. For example a monster of the week show can not write a complex backstory, motive and everything else for each and every one of them when you have to pump out content each week and focus on other things required. For instance the monster abilities, personality and design would be infinitely more important than making them complex. There also just isn't enough time to fully delve into a certain monster. A show, book, comic only has a certain amount of space and it's often better to focus the story on key parts. A monster of the week may every well focus all the character work on the heroes or on the evil organisation leader behind the monsters rather than the monsters themselves. That would work perfectly fine as a story. There is no need to make villains complex merely for the sake of complexity as other parts of the story that are more important will suffer because of it.
The quality whiplash you get from his channel is insane.
I've watched a couple of his vids
I don't know which of his "writing advice" is sound and not nonsensical
They are either extremely basic or just outright fundamentally wrong and bad.
His channel and other big channels who talk about writing and have no idea about writing is what made me make my own channel because there is so much garbage advice out there.
@@pubcle Blood Meridian is a book with a very simple villain. He is also the focus of the book. He is one of the most memorable villains ever written. (The book is not for everyone)
My grandfather was one of those guys who was saved by a Bible in his pocket.
While sometimes it might be plot armour, you wouldn't be following a story of someone who's just gonna die.
@@mryellow6918 Well not if I knew it.
President got plot armor today
Oh he understands. He just flat-lined from ODing on Copium. It is his Only Fan. Though with Lewis as a pusher, and Joel as the supplier, he never really had a chance. Unlike the Orphans.
Arguably, Master Chief in Halo has canonical plot armor. His 'luck' is almost like an in universe explanation for what the players know as respawning until you get it right.
There’s also the fact that most Halo players weren’t raised from the time they were six years old to be tactically genius super soldiers, and also Heroic is the canon difficulty, not legendary. If a teenager has a reasonable chance to get through without dying, I feel like canon Master Chief can as well.
True, he is after all a super soldier trained from infancy, the cream of the crop amongst his peers with an augmented body meant to control a suit of armor that enhances their already op attributes and guided by the smartest AI.
Im not a big fan of the whole "john is lucky". It makes all his accomplissement come off as chance instead of skill and experience
@@Hanoua2 I mean, you can take the word luck literally but imo it's more a case of him just getting things right every single time, at least in a gameplay setting.
As the player, we know we can't fail, but in canon Jon reflects that by simply being so good that he never does.
@@Hanoua2 think of it like this, the master chief even with all of his skills and training couldn't face down 1,000 Scarabs all surrounding him at once.
His "luck" is that he would never be in that hopeless of a situation. There's always some way out of whatever horrific situation he finds himself in- in part due to being a super soldier, in part because he was never unlucky enough to say, be trapped on a planet being glassed with no way out- he always found his way out.
All this reminded me was the HeelsvsBabyface v Act man fiasco. A sad reminder.
When did that happen? What happened? If you don't mind my asking.
@@1GreatEntity It occured 4 months ago while the podcast this video is based on was 10 months.
Search the two and you can get caught up with the 6 month ordeal, but essentially the two got into a Twitter feud and the Act man put up Mauler's private DM's without his consent for his defense.
@@1GreatEntity Act MAAM decided to go after AZ and break pretty much all rules, AZ tells him to go pound sand
@@1GreatEntity AZ went on his Starfield rant about pronouns and current day california stuff being put in a sci fi game ruining his escapism. Act man called him a pathatic gorilla shaped man, which AZ was annoyed about but mostly shrugged off, joking that he took being gorilla shaped as a complement. Months later, Act man started noticing DEI companies like Sweet Baby Inc connected to games like Starfield and was like "Hmm, this is weird." To which AZ and his audience started saying, "I'll accept an apology, any day now." He instead doubled down in his shots at AZ, Mauler tried to step in and mediate between the two, but gave up when Act Man started tweeting out his dm's with Mauler on the subject without Mauler's consent.
I'm probably missing some stuff, but that's most of what I remember.
@@franklythewurstMauler gets treated like the devil incarnate, yet he’s always the most chill, normal dude in these situations. XD
For Phantom Menace, nobody said No to Lucas because he was seen as a movie God at that point
For Last Jedi, nobody said No to Rian because they didn't want to be fired by Disney
The prequels had their own problems but they nowhere near as the sequels problems
The myth that Lucas was surrounded by yes men while making the Prequels needs to die already.
@@nopenope2550 Evidence against this narrative?
@@nopenope2550watch the bonus materials from the prequels DVDs
@@nopenope2550 The worst part of that myth is that people then take that as proof that such a thing exists and use that to believe it happens everywhere, when its often unlikely the case.
Every time we get a "Lucas moment" with a movie or game, usually the truth reveals it wasn't the sole fault of a egotistical director with no pushback. Even in TLJ you had Kathleen propping him up and contributing her own stuff to the mess, while having actors fight back against the ideas.
In other cases, its actually the OPPOSITE and the director themselves was likely the yes man and just let others make changes. the Infamous Metroid Other M is likely the case of this, despite everyone putting the blame on the Director, Sakamoto, as being a deranged "Lucas type". But a lot of the problems of the game are the result of many things that were talked about behind the scenes that were other's ideas. Such as the depiction of the Main character, like her being out of her armor a lot, often being the result of the prerendered cutscenes animators asking for it and Sakamoto agreeing despite wanting the opposite. And of course the horrendous translation which is one of the main reasons its so heavily hated, despite being relatively successful in Japan. Ironically if the director had been so uptight about keeping it exactly to his vision, it would have been better off, even if it still wouldn't have been great.
Correction for people wondering. There are North Islanders, and then there's Kiwis. Never trust a North Islander.
I'm from Europe, what's wrong with the Northern NZ?
@@Ocelot835 They're... strange. I guess you have to be a Kiwi to understand. It's hard to explain.
Hearing Act man breaks me every time
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_Incorrect,_ Rags! Otto von Bismarck got shot five times at close range and only suffered minor injuries as a result. Plot armor _does_ exist in real life!
Fiction has to be believable, real life doesn't.
@@PeregrinTintenfish Absolutely correct! I'm not trying to make any kind of statement about fiction here, just messing with the dog is all.
@@selly-ssrb I think you made a good point and wanted to expand on it.
Wow, did Bismarck just fall to his knees for a while like a plot-important _Skyrim_ character and then get back up?
TLOU2 has insane plot armour for its characters especially Abby
Starting with creators like him to ending with creators like this is simply poetry.
A journey indeed.
Hey its the act man can’t wait for his next efap appearance
It's a bad omen when someone who writes books on world-building doesn't know how to structure a ten-minute video.
Oh yesss. i have been waiting for someone 2 critique this fool.
It sucks how Actman is just too damn proud to patch things up with the efap guys, but I'm starting to doubt that future is even possible now. I agree with him that Az was cringe but leaking DMs is not cool, definitely lost a lot of respect after that.
"Its Sean Bean they're not killing him" is an amazing line
1:00:08
Fringy: “I will say…”
*Ad plays that explains how good a college is*
God damn it RUclips
Imagine not using adblock
@@Masteroftheweb to be fair I was watching on my phone while vacuuming. I have Adblock while watching on my computer lol
@@The_Jimmy_Turner Get Adblock on your phone. :D
Man, remember when EFAP crew and Act Man got along?
HFM has two good vids: the one about robot characters and the one about mentally ill characters. The rest of his stuff are trojan horse topics to fanboy about Avatar. Really frustrating youtuber.
His vid on mental illness in media is genuinely good. I can’t believe the same person made that video and this one…
@@Falzelo A good video!? That's... surprisingly actually; considering a certain current 'in-group'
@@Falzelo he works in the field so he has training and experience about mental illness
@@marcogenovesi8570 He works?
@@Falzelo I wouldn't call it it good. It's good video to make people aware about problems (which is nice), but it's terrible writing advice. I genuinely can't remember any of his points except "If you are writing about mental illness you have to be careful and respectful". Which is yea, no shit bro.
In order to seamlessly cut through things the way a lightsaber does, it needs to be SO HOT that a person would basically explode if you hit them with it (IRL plasma cutter is 45,000°F).
Your flesh, blood and bones would all get instantly vaporized and the resulting steam/smoke/flames would blow your bits apart.
I've always thought of it as more of a really fast 360 degree energy chainsaw.
@@KingKayro87 In Episode 1, Qui Gon melts a hole through a 3 foot thick security door.
Whatever it's doing, it's so hot you should burst into flames just by holding it.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor Well, if you look closely during that scene, you can see that he's actually twisting the blade, as if to try and generate more heat than usual. The weapon itself is hot, but not hot enough to make you explode, rather the heat is generated from the movement of the blade, thus the ability to cut through things is actually based on the blade moving really rapidly in a confined space, hence why, at least in the original trilogy and the prequels, the lightsaber blades kind of have a flickering effect and aren't just entirely solid beams of light.
@@KingKayro87 Bro it's melting through 3 feet of steel! Even if the blade doesn't burn you alive, THE MOLTEN STEEL DOOR WILL!
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor You're not being stabbed with a 3-foot-thick steel door, now are you?
In OPM, it's implied people turn into superhumans/monsters by repeating obsessive behaviors with a goal in mind. At first it is the explanation for like 90% of the monsters but when you find out how Darkshine got his power (lifted weights obsessively) it becomes apparent that Saitama's faithfully doing the same workout with the goal of becoming an invincible hero is what caused him to become invincible.
Also the whole premise of the show is him being stronger than everyone.
The people who get plot armor is any villain fighting Genos😂
Act Man being here makes the video cursed 💀
I'm several months behind, what happened?
@@liliesaregoodfortheliver2954 Act Man was feuding with HeelsVsBabyface. Mauler was mediating between them and Act Man leaked DMs from MauLer to try and "expose" HvsBF. Understandably, MauLer did not like the betrayal.
@@RadicallyMilkToastdidn’t act man then also basically say the exact same thing AZ had said only a few months later?
@@ComradeCommissarYuri and then completely refused to learn or apologize for anything he said or did.
You have to respect Ryan Johnson.. CuckMan 2023
The term he's looking for isn't "plot armour", it's "Narrative Consistency", with regards to the Game of Thrones example.
I think he is actually taking about different things with how he defines plot armour and his examples. I think realism consistency is important. I think that in a superhero movie, people will expect everyone to be less affected by wounds. In a gritty fantasy, one expects someone to die from being stabbed.
Ah yes. Mr. Woke Bros himself
at 1:54:50 , he wasn't talking about Joffrey having a character arc, he was talking about Joffrey feeding into the arc of his characters, then after that, he pivots into talking about how at that point the question about whether characters will survive or not doesn't end up mattering, this was still in reference to the protagonists rather than the antagonists. Bad points from HFM still but I would have prefferred if the crew had actually responded to that rather than them thinking the point of arcs was about Joffrey. I think this is an actual example of the pausing having caused the thread to be lost and a miscommunication to be had
Everytime I see act man in one of these I get a bit sad
dude blew it all for petty twitter drama
Az is insufferable but yeah…Act man screwed up.
Wa seattle rot finally got him
@@senoka4638 az really is insufferable calling act man a gorrila, then doubling down when it was decisively proved he was wrong... wait reverse that.
@@Gannoh Act Man still gets half a million views every video he posts. He definitely hasn’t blown it all away.
"He doesn't have to write anything to have valid perspectives on writing."
No, not technically. But I'll take writing advice from someone with writing success over someone with no writing portfolio at all.
Actually Tim has write several short stories, got publish in a magazine and he even has put out an anthology.
Holding to that principle can be a double edged sword though, since a lot of writing composing the deluge that is the modern publishing industry is mediocre at best. Don’t have to be good to be successful.
@@theemeraldingot6327 Prime example being Twilight, or really almost every successful book that’s been published in the romance genre for years now.
The talk about why Reverse Flash is called that made me think of a good explanation: When you have two forces with equal velocity going against each other, they cancel out. Reverse Flash doesn't care about his life, he just wants to ruin Flash's life.
Berry: it was me thrawn...i was the one who incepted the idea for you to call yourself reverse flash!
Echo Chamberlain made a response video to some bad takes from this guy. Kiwi on kiwi violence.
i am so baffled that Brandon Sanderson had this guy on.
F that advice guru. In several of his other vids he tried to portray galadriel in rop a solid character, lol
With the Act Man here, all we need left is Heelvsbabyface.
Godspeed is a good name for a speedster character. Idk what Rags is on about
nothing to do with him being an atheist, of course
'the Creature of Act'
Monty Python and the Holy Grail had the most abrupt ending in cinematic history haha
A literal cop out ending.
@@GraniteShaker hahaha
Wait, I know that name...
Is it plot armor when the Libyan fires an AK-47 at Marty McFly and he ducks for cover behind the Doc's truck and doesn't get hit by any of the bullets? It doesn't feel like it. Is it plot armor 5 seconds later when he starts to try to run, the VW pulls up close to him and the AK just so happens to jam right then? YES. Very much so.
I guess it's all a matter of degree of likelihood. It's not a stretch to believe that he could dive a few feet over in less than the time that it took the Libyan to get a bead on him. It _IS_ a stretch to believe that the gun would choose that very plot-crucial instant to start malfunctioning.
I'm fairly sure ak-47 are notorious for jamming in general?
@@donovandelozier7156 Not an expert, but from what I understand, it's kinda the opposite of that. One of the reasons it's had such staying power for so many years around the world is that it's got a simpler design (fewer parts than the M-16) and is generally more reliable.
Then again, if we're gonna go that real with it... the Doc's "bulletproof vest" really should not have been enough to save his life from an AK-47 round (let alone several), especially from that range.
@@zardox78 I thought the staying power was because it was cheaper? Not necessarily more reliable?
@@donovandelozier7156 There's all kinds of cheap guns out there. Most of them don't endure for over half a century. My sources are all shows I watched on The History Channel 15 to 20 years ago. Take that for whatever it's worth.
@@zardox78 fair enough
Another act man isntance I doubt they will ever bring him back
That's like burning the viking boat while people are still on it, and it's in the middle of a storm, and there's no land in sight.
It was a good movie so was glass onion you just have awful taste the original trilogy was all nostalgia plot armour in every scene truly awful movies the first two Spiderman movies are inspiring star wars isn't it's cringe fantasy incest.
“When he robbed my house he forced me to sh!t myself”
- JJ Abrams on TLJ & TROS
Legends of Chima hoards characters that the writers don't want to kill them. Plot armor or not, I believe the Chima writing team hasn't broke their shell since 2013.
I totally thought you were talking about that one Lego brand that tried to replace Ninjago for a moment
@@WaddelingProductions Not that. That Chima writing in a nutshell. Quality goes to all visual departments and nothing else like writing and character development. As for Ninjago, it's still up to this day while Chima has no popularity and no demand for a reboot (note; fan outrage doesn't count under LEGO's perspective).
So at 10:00 ish mark about plot armour. Yes technically speaking writers all write so that characters that they want to be alive will survive a certain situation because they haven't finished X plot point or arc HOWEVER I'd not describe a good character in a good story surviving a situation they shouldn't be able to as "plot armour". I would rather describe it as the character building their own luck. What I mean is if a character goes through situation after situation and constantly does their best, using all their wits, tools and skills they have learned AND than encounter a super bad situation and just barely manage to survive or something out of their control saves them than that's not plot armour but a lucky break. It happens in real life, a veteran esports pro will have zero control over bad RNG but if they constantly played at their best even with some bad RNG and still win. You wouldn't claim they didn't deserve that win. But if the reverse happened and the worst player imaginable played and made every bad possible decision, died a lot, got teammates killed but they got constant good RNG and got the win thanks to that than it's fair to claim they didn't deserve that win over the arguably better team.
Plot armour is best described as a character getting "constant" lucky breaks that haven't been earned whilst also not having the skills, intelligence, tools for the audience to believe they would ever survive X situation. That is where the immersion breaks and topples off a cliff and what I would refer to as Plot Armour. A lucky break isn't plot armour if the writer has done everything to build up that it could possibly happen and given enough leeway that the audience won't notice it because your story and character have built up their luck stat basically.
Okay, but if for instance in the case of a series like Star Wars, hypothetically you knew the OT first and you know Obi-Wan as the old man, watching then the prequel trilogy and Clone Wars, the feeling/concept of "well, Obi-Wan will always survive in one piece in the end because he ends up being the old man in New Hope", isn't that plot armor irrelevant on how he survives? If not, what would you call it?
For me "plot armor" has two usages in discussions. One is like what you said, the immersion being broken about the danger for the character because of overblown lucky breaks. The other is the "meta" of the narrative, the reality that the author has decided that a character survives and is just setting up things for that to happen in a particular way.
That's semantics.
If you have to say "I wouldn't call good plot armor plot armor"
Then it's still plot armor, you're just embarrassed about it, so you wanna call it something else. You can't just change the name and have it not mean that thing anymore. It's still plot armor, just applied correctly.
@@haku8135 No it's not. There is a clear distinction to made between could this lucky event happen versus this character is relying on the writer to save them because the writer couldn't find a way to make even some luck believable. Writing a lucky event is just as crafted as an unlucky one. I define plot armour the way I do because otherwise objectively speaking everything is plot armour. The character has X skill at X time because the writer wanted them to have it. The character dodged that punch or deathblow because writer wanted them to. The character has X trauma because the writer wanted them to. Everything is the writers choice and so every character in every world is protected by the hand of their god. The way a piece of grass sways in the wind was all the writers choice. We have to draw the line somewhere and so at least I define plot armour at the point where immersion shatters where even with luck that character should not survived.
This is obviously all context dependant and how well a story is crafted. It's up to the audience when they feel their immersion breaking.
@@MajorSmurf You are not correct.
The writer does not have ultimate power.
Writers that think everything is 100% in their control, are the bad writers that just do whatever they want.
No, you do NOT have control over how the grass sways in the wind. It's grass in wind, it'll bend in the direction of the wind. If it does anything other than that, you need to explain it properly.
If a character dodges a punch, you need to explain why they could do that. If you have luck stop the punch from connecting, that is plot armor, no matter how "believable" the luck is. It's still luck that you've imposed upon the story. That doesn't mean it's BADLY WRITTEN, but that's literally the point of this video. Plot armor doesn't instantly mean bad writing, people just get bitchy and decide that plot armor is bad by definition, so if it's still plot armor but it's not badly done, it's not plot armor, even though it's still every other aspect OF plot armor.
Someone dodging a punch because "they're lucky" is plot armor. Period. It can be done well, it can be done poorly. Doesn't change the fact it's still the writer using pretend random chance to save a character from something.
It's NOT plot armor if a martial artist blocks a punch. Blocking is a skill, and the author established this character has such a skill, they should be capable of blocking a basic punch. It would become PLOT armor, if that same character then blocked a punch they could not even see coming because randomly they just decided to block, and blocking is a skill they have so it's fine. No, that's clearly just bad plot armor.
Good plot armor would be if by chance that character's friend noticed the attack coming and blocked it instead, then you transition into a fight or something. Still plot armor, but not bad writing.
@@sugartoothYT I agree on your plot armour usages as for the prequel question. That is so much more complicated for me to think about. Honestly I've always had a problem with prequels not that I don't love some prequel stories but if given the choice I always prefer a story moving forwards than going back to the past to explore an existing character. Flashbacks are fine and can be amazingly powerful and sometimes there's simply no need for an entire story to focus on X characters past or for a prequel to develop them more.
In such cases where the prequel is doing amazing world building, character work and exploring something worthwhile and isn't just to clarify how X event happened. I would say "plot armour" as it were can be overlooked for the most point, although I might still dislike them. I think the best prequels are those that have the existing character as a totally different character and has amazingly side characters POV's for the stakes of the story as it were. For example if the prequels only focused too much on Obi-wan and less on Anakin than I think I would have more issues with it.
Obviously the main thing to get right is how well the original story interested me in X character. I'm very much on Walt's level where I would 100% prefer a new story over a sequel, prequel or remake. Give me new characters in a new world to fall in love.
3:05 there's actually going to be a reveal... That's what garou is there for...
"The hero stops himself from destroying the villain" *shows luke and vader in rotj
Reminds me of watching Tale Foundry and while discussing "prophesized heroes", he showed Luke instead of Anakin. Started to wonder if that channel is AI generated, could be just a mistake I guess.
It also might just be a misunderstanding in universe Maul and Obi thought Luke was the chosen one as per rebels and his actions do indirectly lead to the destruction of the sith. I believe George has said it definitely is Anakin but unlike a certain someones comments about who blew up the death star, it's quite a bit more forgivable being mixed up about who's the real chosen one.
@@mattparsons2045 It's kinda both. Anakin only succeeded because of Luke, and Luke only succeeded because of Anakin. Anakin was conceived with no father, so yeah, I guess he is the special one, but Luke really deserves a huge share of the credit. Even Yoda and Obi-Wan wanted him to just kill Vader, but Luke was better than even them.
"We like that Act guy."
"He's alright."
Lines that aged poorly
I have the audiobook of this guys writing and world building book. I’ve been meaning to return it for a credit because it’s not very good.
Saitama watched too much Baccano; then became the main character of his own life and hates it.... the world bends to his needs regardless of what he wants now.
No it doesn't, the world fucks Saitama over all the time.
The only thing he's better at than anyone else is beating the bad guy.
When it comes to like, every other aspect of life, he's kinda boned repeatedly. There's an ENTIRE CHARACTER dedicated to accidentally taking all his credit!
@@haku8135 how does any of that contradict what i said?
@@ShishouDzukiZaManako "the world bends to his needs regardless of what he wants now." This part.
The world does not bend to his needs at all.
Saitama's ACTUAL desires are routinely screwed over by "the world". Again, there's a whole character built to take credit for his actions, and Saitama EXPRESSLY wants people to know about him. He's literally jealous of Genos' fan club. This is actually the impetus for him going from a hero for fun to an actually recognized professional hero.
Then he flunked the written exam and got shoved in bottom tier, which impeded his goals even more.
Saitama even talks about how he's always late to everything as well.
Saitama is basically the main character with main character power, but the actual world itself treats him like a side character.
Honestly the series treats KING like a main character, but he's actually a side character.
It's fucking GENIUS, but saying the world bends to Saitama is just absurdly wrong.
@@haku8135 and it does.... if Saitama sets out for anything to be done, it will be done...
how does a glory hound taking credit influence this?
"he failed the written portion" and still became a hero... a thing he is doing "for fun" so it hardly effects him.
you even had to phrase King as "treated like" because he clearly is not the main character... after all we've followed king on so many adventures.... oh... we haven't.
King is a glorified Hercule.... are we really calling Hercule the main character and Goku the side character because of in-world credit? really?
the world treats Saitama as unestablished.... which is not the same as a side character... Saitama can accomplish fame with his fist and a camera if it pleases him.
be a contrarian if you must though...
have a fun misread... Main character is not a matter of strength nor perceived strength my dude.
likewise Saitama's wants and needs are 2 different things as well; i say "needs" and you list a bunch of self-phrased "desires".
@@ShishouDzukiZaManako Even if you distinguish between wants and needs like that, Saitama is poor due to his long term unemployment which is why he lives in the rundown Z city (it’s canonically cheaper housing) and keeps going on about food market sales and the like. He only orders cheap food at restaurants, has dine and dashed at least once, and he’s even tried saving money by eating monsters instead of buying food.
That’s not the mindset of someone whose needs are being met, especially not without effort as you’re insinuating.
Crazy listening to this just after the attempted trump assassination
especially the act mans comment about Teddy Roosevelt lol
I thought Joffery's "arc" was him continuously pushing the boundaries and discovering that he doesn't really have any? He starts out awful and gets worse and worse.
the Gramuglia guy made a new "people dont know how to" video and i wonder if Efap will get to that one, lol.
Ya know, if Rian made TLJ 200 years ago, they would've written a hundred Phantom of the Opera's.
There are way too many people in this call
And i thought that was Mauler on the thunb nail 😂
Great original EFAP episode and great highlight. only bad part is it being an episode with ActMan in it lol
I live for Mauler's shocked gasps😂😂
For One Punch Man I've only read some of the webcomics and watched the Anime so I am no great expert on it. But my general feeling for how he got his powers is he fought monsters. Constantly, by the skin of of his teeth in the early fights. His weak exercise routine is what he claims his power came from, but he and every one seems to ignore the sheer number of near death experiences he faced while doing that. Given the entire universe seems to run on Desire and Will Power it's not strange he got so strong. His only driving goal was to be strong and beat the villains while he was training.
If you consider the origins of most the other high ranked hero's like Metal bat, they honestly didn't do much different. The main thing Saitama had over them was he was alone. He wasn't part of the hero association so he didn't get stuck doing stupid missions to protect VIP's or other busy work. He lived along in the abandoned Monster district, with the highest encounter rate of monsters than any where else. Day in and day out he killed monsters with almost no other distractions or obligations.
I’m not sure his plot armor technically matters at least in the way presented here . Because, the story itself is meant to be a form of parody ( best description I can think of for OPM) the ide Saitama is indestructible and unbeatable parodies other anime and superheroes who always win. And because of that you would take it less seriously then say plot armor in a more serious show like attack on titan or mission impossible. There is plot armor in those but you have to try to make it a lot more believable. I mean a great bad example of plot armor is when Batman spared superman in Batman vs superman because they shared mother names and super just happened to call his mom by her name instead of just mom which is less believable and comes off as overly bad plot armor.
@@Riseofziggy It is true that the Plot armor doesn't really matter in some cases like OPM. It's not really a conflict based story. There is no real tension in if Saitama will win a fight or not. The story is more about his emotions, friendships and all that.
It's honestly more like old superman comics. The idea if Superman would win or not barely mattered. The real point was about him inspiring others to be hero's and all that. How hard it was to be better than every one around you and so on. There is a reason most the best hero's in fiction have a secret identity.
At times the life of Clark Kent is just as interesting if not more so than Superman. Because you know at any moment he could rip his way through all his problems but he doesn't. Instead he does things as a normal person would.
The end of Fistful of Dollars is a good example of setting up armor
It took me weeks to find a way to word my thoughts on Hellofutureme but I finally figured it out. He thinks (and is arguing in this video) that key-jangling is what good writing is all about. He’s claiming that there is no such thing as a bad story and that if anyone notices a flaw it is only because the keys are not jangling hard enough and the viewer is bored.
Actman’s voice almost startled me 😂 Don’t miss him
Holy hell stop talking over eachother.
Yeah this was a disaster. I don't know who the girl is but they never let her speak.
I appreciate the promotion of Hells Paradise anime, one of my favorites of last year.
"Hello Future Me, I am sorry" - HelloPastMe in the future after he was HelloFutureMe and entered the future.
also....Why not 'HelloPresentMe' as he would be in the present at any given stage he referred to himself? fuck knows, I'm too high for this. GLORY BE TO WOLF!
Relative to the him that is recording it now, any version of him that watches it back will be the future version of himself.
Oh God: the moment I heard Sitch I had to opt out. The only worse guest is Dev at this point
This isn't a great clip. Too many guests, way too much time spent for every few seconds of the video they are responding to, etc. By the time they finish all taking their turns to talk, I've lost track of where they are in the video they are replying to, since it's so often mid-sentence.
I watched exactly one HFM video (the Azula one), found it rather pedestrian, and was confounded how everyone in the comments treated it like some huge, novel revelation when anyone who truly paid attention to ATLA could easily draw the same conclusions and probably devise a better analysis. Evidently, I give the fanbase too much credit.
Every story gets 1 mulligan of plot armor. The more egregious the use, the less likely you'll get away with it a 2nd time
YESS thanks Wolf, I was one of those that requested this to be clipped
"No Country For Old Men" is based on a book by Cormac McCarthy. So if anyone is being pretentious it's the author of the book not the director
how much of the book was actually adapted in the movie? Just pointing out that a lot of movies "based on a book" are barely skinsuits. Even LOTR movies had to take shortcuts so they are not book accurate
It's shockingly accurate, read it myself not long ago after seeing the movie for the first time. Lot of dialogue delivered verbatim from the novel.
I disagree entirely with the idea of it being pretentious, however.
Yeah I don't think it's pretentious either. One of the guys on EFAP was the one that called the ending pretentious. (I'm sure you are aware but maybe someone else reading this might not have gotten to that part yet)
@@EFAPHighlightsI agree with your opinion on no country for old men but the way you shit talk some movies that many love And it's meant to be treated like gospel is disgusting and bigoted.
@@EFAPHighlights McCarthy is a writer you either love or hate and there's not much in between. A lot of people, myself included, just find his work to be a bunch of pretentious garbage so I would imagine that's what's going on here.
(Seriously, Blood Meridian and The Road are awful on a level even Disney Wars hasn't managed to sink to yet... Yet).
so many director try to recreate what has come before without understanding why it works and forgetting that their is a fatigue with shocking moments (Efap living over starwars even though I miss what it once was)
We need an EFAP on last avatar the show then the movie the Legend of Korra!
I was edging a cringe when one of them started claiming Saitama being as powerful as he has been established to be from the beginning of the story as “plot armor”
Even without the later in lore explanation for his power, it isn’t plot armor if it’s completely consistent with what we realistically expect within the story.
Well yeah. The show specifically makes him that strong, for no real reason, in order to progress it's plot which parodies the superhero genre. I know OPM has hand wavy cartoonish explanations for many characters as well. But saying that would be like saying tom and jwrry or the road runner has plot armour. They kind of do, but it doesn't matter. Overly sarcastic production had a video on this specific brand of ploy armor, otherwise Known as tone armour. This is the reason why plot armor feels so egregious in the got canon, rather than say deadpool or opm
Don’t call E;R cringe
Saitama is literally the definition of plot armor.
There's NO lore explanation for his power, he says exactly what he did to get that strong and Genos says "You're full of shit".
He's that strong because he is. It just happened, and if someone stronger comes along, he'll just get stronger instantly to defeat that opponent.
There is no lore, Saitama doesn't make sense within his own universe.
The basis of One Punch Man is we start it at the END. Saitama is the overpowered shonen protagonist at the END of his story, but the story doesn't just stop.
@@haku8135 Did you watch beyond season 1? They allude pretty directly how Saitama achieved his strength. But even without that: That isn’t plot armor. Maybe we’re operating on different definitions of the term, but plot armor is when a character in a story avoids death and or serious injury when they obviously shouldn’t have within the established rules of the story (this is particularly noticeable in the protagonist because if they die or are permanently incapacitated, the story cannot go on without a major change.) so no, Saitama being extremely powerful is not “plot armor”, but an established fact of the lore.
@@JoeLikesBlue I've read the Manga, there is NO explanation to how Saitama achieved his strength.
It just happened inexplicably, I already explained this. WHY isn't explained. The WHAT is explained.
WHAT happened? He broke his limiter.
HOW did he do that? Uhhhhhhh, exercise?
What Genos considers to be a reasonable amount of it too, not even an extreme amount.
2:56 Yeah, it is later revealed that SOMEHOW Saitama broke trought the limit of reality during his training sessions and monster hunting to become the outright god he is today.
4:12 When it comes to on-screen deaths yes, game of thrones is darker. We just going to forget Dantooine being genocided in a new hope? What was that 100s of millions, billions?
You mean Alderaan...?
I feel like EFAP still could have eventually come about even if TLJ was good. Remember GOT season 8 happened... And I'm still waiting for that episode 6 unbridled rage.
"Well, well-written, and well directed" are entirely arbitrary.
What I despise about 'No Country for Old Men' is that Chigurh has Superpowers, but the film pretends he doesn't. Just like The Joker in 'The Dark Knight' nearly everything he does, like setting up a hospital's controlled demolition, it gives him time, foreknowledge and resources that he absolutely does not have. It also requires that they got a copy of the script. They are made dangerous, 'Just Because' exactly like modern-day Female Girlbosses.
The films are just far better made in other areas, and blind everyone with their ejaculate of style.
1:27:30 man that is so cheap, I know exactly where that is. That's the onramp linking horseshoe bay village to the sea to sky highway in west vancouver. Super quiet road, i bet they chose it just because it was the cheapest/easiest road to shut down in the entire vancouver area.
Plot armor is fine but as long as people can't see it.
The confidence to call Godspeed Zoom so matter of factly is bold.
He did define what plot armor is at the start of the video (1:05). It was on the screen but he didn't speak it out loud.
The directors of No Country for Old Men were not responsible for the ending. The author, Cormac McCarthy is. The movie is almost shot for shot the same as the book.
I know this was from an anniversary but Coming back to this reminds me why i dont watch FNT. Way too many people all talking over each other allll the time
Hello Future Me also defended to the death Rings of Power before it even came out.
Why are all these lefty types balding?
Due to todays events I feel like the chat of Plot armor seems very topical...
I stopped watching hello future me when i realized that he
1 only referenced avatar and korra. I realized hes seen like 6 movies or shows to reference. To the point where his opinion and advice is based on a very limited knowledge base.
2 made his money giving writing advice when he himself wasn't an author and only references LOTR, HP, SW, and Avatar for plot ideas.
I think he is an autor of some short stories, but his knowledge is terrible. He kinda reminds me of some other youtubers like Joseph Anderson or Critical Drinker (to a lesser extent) who write terribly because they engage a lot with visual media where you must show and not tell, while with books you must tell and not show. But he might be the worst one because he always goes back to Avatar, seriously, always. He can't grow if he can only worship one thing. I also love Avatar, but I like to analize it and think how I would do it better. He can just worship, like in the clip when he praises Korra for having good stakes and then E;R immediately corrects him. I wonder how good can he write.