The Most BROKEN ASH OF WAR in Shadow of the Erdtree - Elden Ring
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Swift Slash is the MOST BROKEN Ash of War in Elden Ring history and it's not even close. It's amazing for PvE and ABSOLUTELY BROKEN in PvP. This Ash of War needs an URGENT nerf... and we're not even kidding. Ranni tells you all about it.
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Now I'm a little motivated... To report this to Bandai so it can get nerfed. Will you try the Ash of War though?
You probably don't need to. They'll see this soon. Great work on this one
THE MYSTERY THINGY IS THE DEVIL SWORD SPARDA
You show us a broken ash of war and you ask us if we will try it? You already know the answer
Just nerf it in pvp leave it be for pve
I hope they keep it as it is, because it's funny to see people whine about it.
LOOKS LIKE WATERFOWL IS BACK ON THE MENU BOYS!
wAHOOOOOO
Thes DMC
Fromsoft shouldn’t have nerf the BH’s step because it may counter the swift slash 🧐
@@aoiminasethey should make a pvp specific game, i feel like elden ring is getting a little ridiculous with the balancing compared to their old games
@@sagenebula7120lol have fun with that
"Foolishness, ranni. Foolishness. Might controls everything. And without strength you can not protect anything. Let alone yourself."
―Vergil expressing his disappointment to Ranni
"Shcum."
You left out the MOST fun part!
Almost everyone has a pair of these sitting in their back pocket. They're super light, so you don't even need to hardswap. You can soft swap almost for free.
So now, everyone in arena has a phase 2, where when they get to low hp, they'll just whip this badboy out and start spamming swift slash until the phantom hits bleed you to death.
Truely this is Miyazakis vision for pvp.
You are exactly right everytime I am about to win in a duel these fuckers pull out this bull shit to win the duel
Tbh phase 2 was a thing for a long time already, and not only in arena. If I got a nickel for every time I saw someone pull out RoB or moonveil the moment they start losing, I would have a lotta nickels.
@@l.o.v.e-sick5330 Those are not nearly as broken though
@@sethdemirjian6259 Yes, but still. People suddenly going into "phase 2" the moment they start losing was a thing long before swift slash was even created.
anyone remember when pvp wasnt about winning and just enjoying combat?
like i genuinely dont get the point? is it fun to spam one move?
Vergil: Im unkillable.
Kevin with 1000 hiper armor: Cool
*Kevin wins*
I saw Steelovsky's video on him using it and talking about it in pvp. One of the funniest commentaries Ive seen, I couldn't stop laughing. Awesome vid
Miyazaki: This will be fine. Also him: Wait theres a pvp mode in this game?
dont forget blind spot aow, same bullshit
PvP has been in every SoulsBorne game and is something they shit on for the casuals in ER. They catered way too heavily to casuals and gankers.
@@HumanInstrumentalityProject most players won't be playing pvp
Lol Armored Core 6 would like a word
@@2Tune2 because most players a chumps. I’ve always looked at invasions and fight clubs the true end game to any of their games. It keeps people wanting to come back and try new things.
Anymore invasions are just a host with two overleveled spammers, afk farming or a dc. Yeah there’s an arena but that’s not the same as tracking someone down to kill before they get to the boss.
This looks like one of those combat mods people add in elden ring to feel like an anime character
or virgil
elden ring is already more anime than anime
Vergil: "Where is your motivation, Ranni?" ⚔
Dont worry. Remember Bloodhound Step? It was awesome. Some goons abused other players with it. Then it got nerfed down to 10% of its original effectiveness.
Same thing is gonna happen here.
I'm just glad they gave us yet another stylish tool to take on Malenia and other bosses with.
If you pair this tool with the deflect mixed physick then you'll actually have fun fighting her.
"I felt a great disturbance in PVP, as if millions of invaders suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly Swift Slashed" - A Traumatized Souls Vet
That'll teach you to invade, ruffian.
Elden May Cry
More like tarnished May cry.
Godfrey May Cry or Godfrey May Make Mariks Cry
@@lasth903marikas tits
@@izzymosley1970 No no, it is Tarnished WILL Cry.
Now I'm motivated
First, the Virgil stick, now we have Virgil's middle finger as a spamable
-Chargeable (unlimited mixup potential)
-Unreactable
-MASSIVE hit boxes with no visible indicator
-Multi-hit, including a delayed hit box
-isn't poiseable
-Level 3 stun
-Combos into itself
-hits around shields
-high status buildup
-moves very far, difficult to punish and space
-Medium damage
-Probably enhanced by Godfrey's icon as well as Shard of Alexander and Rotten Winged Sword Insignia
I absolutely cannot
Godfrey's Icon does indeed work in conjunction with Shard of Alexander on these :) Also the new talisman that improves dash damage (Lacerating Crossed-Tree) stacks on top of it
Like Blood Hound Step Pre Nerf but on Attack Mode.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615atleast BHS was mainly for movement and only used as utility for attacking. This one is just pain, pure unadulterated pain.
@@LeHarmacist
True
You forgot "costs almost no fp"
"Did they forget the game has PVP"
Wait. Elden Ring has PVP? Huh.
"That day, if our builds were switched, would I have your overpowered strats, and you mine? **Summons plastic chair, sits down.** Let's settle this, Ranni." - Vergil
This DLC is making me question the recent nerfs to the base game weapons, ashes, and spells. Was it really necessary if the DLC had this many broken aspects?
Gotta make players wanna buy it
Wasn't it obvious that they nerfed the base game stuff to sell you the DLC stuff?Blasphemous Blade was untouched for how long?And then, right before the DLC, From suddenly start giving a shit about balance and cheesy builds and nerf a few most popular of them. Seems a little too convenient to me.
Fromsoft has always had problems with new DLC content being extremely OP in PVP on release in all of their prior games. They always nerfed the most OP things but some things dont get the nerfs they deserve
@@polonium9921not even just pvp, i took the dragon hunter great katana back to the base game and melted plasidusax with it
I mean, think of the timing what you will, but pretty much the entirety of the changes that came with 1.12 was welcomed with open arms. I'd rather have these now than when they finally figure out how to balance the DLC stuff, which could take a long time and some back and forth over multiple patches. Now we just need to wait for said balancing and experiment however we can in the meantime.
Oh fuck! Thats a faster and spamable version of waterfowldance! They just nerfed some of the best weapons just to bring out this unbalanced shit?
Powercreep, buddy, powercreep. 😅
Hi, this must be your first souls game. To answer your question, yes! That's exactly what they do. Look at the Dark Souls 3 DLC weapons, they're the best weapons in the game. Looking at you Splitleaf Greatsword👀
@@joshuakyle9494 Not my first souls game but it is weird that they nerf some of the best builds and weapons just to bring out weapons and builds that are even stronger than some of the nerfed builds in their prime and that like one day after the Update.
@@Numeronius it's not weird. They've done this with every game. They want you to buy that $40 DLC. Let's say you're a casual player, you summon a guy using backhand blades. You want those? That'll be $40😁
@joshuakyle9494 I mean not really, you can get weapons dropped by people who have the dlc even if you don't have it
Give it the Bloodhound treatment. Make subsequent uses weaker, less range or longer charge time.
Remove the stagger from the after slash.
Nah man something like this is basically the Oppresor mk 2 of gtao, it would have to be removed/deactivated to ever make it right, but it won't happen
@@REAL_SSC I mean.. no?
Since the damage is not the problem with it, we can easily adjust other things. Problem is the AoW is only passable in PvE, so taking anything away from it would make it even more obsolete then it already is.
Thankfully there are things that can be adjusted to make it only weaker in PvP, such as stagger potential, or they can even make it, so the afterslash happens in a time where you can dodge it as well.
@@REAL_SSCnah comparing it the the mark 2 is crazy😂😂
@@archieakira4237 it's the scene I came from originally, comparing it to pre nerf mk 2 is what makes sense to me
@botondnyitrai3128 it's not a damage issue, it's free. Even if it did no damage, it would be a free stun/ Mega bhs dodge.
You should do a video on Heal from afar, because that healing spell, you can aim it down at yourself for basically 1000 HP. It is also ridiculously fast, about 0.6 seconds, if you can do that, I’d appreciate it! Love your content!
I hate that it's almost impossible to use for its intended purpose.
@LordShrub Yeah, you’ll aim it at a Co-op or summon and it completely misses them by 10 miles. 🙄
Tested it with my friend. Cannot be counterplayed. We tried literally everything. Nothing works. It needs a huge nerf: like 10 recovery frames and its damage halved. Then it will be a little bit close to fair.
Ah yes the good ole teleport slash. Used this a lot in rise of the ronin
This is quite literally 1 million times worse than rivers of blood and Moon Vale back at their prime
Plus, there is a claw build that allows invaders to nuke, regardless of how much health you have or what armory have slapped on, you WILL get one killed with one hit and if not, they have enough time to stun-lock you and then kill you.
They ruined the pvp completely with many things I deleted it ds3 here I come
@@Silas465you know you….dont have to do pvp…
@Monke15329 this game relies on pvp for its long Jevity once you beat this game n done everything there is nothing else to do that's why there's pvp and they ruined it completely
@@Silas465 who tf is Long Jevity and why does his existence rely on ER pvp?
@JudgeNicodemus long jevity means how long ppl can play the game and still have fun doing it its the life span of the game and if theirs no pvp the games dies
"Ash of War: [teleports behind you] "Nothing Personnel, Kid""
miayazaki: plays dmc3 once
also miyazaki: "hear me out"
Thanks for the tip, will use this info to ruin invaders’ pathetic incel power fantasies of PWNING me and my gf’s silly lil unoptimized PvE builds until seamless coop releases at the end of the week.
I'll just Hyper armor into and pancake. Get fucked Casual.
Pretty much summarizes the entire dlc experience. Everything looks cool, but balance was thrown straight into a blender.
To be fair PVP is only an afterthought. Not really what the game is mainly about.
@@Bifgiexactly the game is single player first multiplayer is added on so no nerfing this to cater to pvp is stupid, pvp is not what the game is about and never was so ruining this slick move because pvp people whine and cry is pathetic. The game is not for pvp it’s just in there that’s it.
@@akiraangelfire2127u saying pvp in ER is there just to be there is very funny to me😂
@@Bifgi I agree balancing must be a nightmare whether you’re talking about PvP or PvE.
You can’t really design something in this game without it effecting something else.
I know PvP has been around since Demon Souls, but the benefits and drawbacks of certain builds was fairly straightforward in older games. ER has too much to account for.
IMO it’s no where near as bad as DS2 but, DS3 and Bloodborne were better balanced.
@@akiraangelfire2127 absolutely wrong. Back in 2009~2014 there wasn’t any game on the market that had multiplayer like the souls games, and it’s a major reason a lot of people during that time picked up the series.
ER without multiplayer is just a mediocre Skyrim or Dragon’s Dogma.
With the dlc released theres so many weapons that are completley busted. I got 2 shot by dual great katanas at 60 vig wearing full armour even after the suposed powerstanced nerf. They fully knew how broken pvp was gonna be so now we have to wait like 6 months for an actual patch. Ofc things are gonna be broken but it's the fact that gta6 might come out before they fix everything
It was obvious in the first place, how unbalanced it would be. At the inital game release, pvp was a mess too. Sometimes you also got invaded by mages that rushed through the game, and oneshot you even with the lightest spells. And let's not forget the infamous rivers of blood and the moonveil. Both of these were broken for ages. Their ash of war deleted both other players and bosses and yet the ash of war was so easily spammable.
other stuff feels like it needs a buff though aswell. I'm not a massive PvP guy, but the smithscript daggers aren't amazing at all. They have very poor status buildup and range, and I'm hoping they get atleast a PvE buff in another update
How many months?
No one tell her about the Perfumer Bottles thingy.
You mean the 30k dps thing?
@@Father303 yup
Don’t forget impenetrable thorns that’s insanely nutty
@@smithy1578 Saw one guy, who spammed thorns on boss and proc the bleed for 13k multiple times.
Yeah but they don't work as good in pvp, their animation is extremely predictable and the have a fuckload of startup and recovery on each attack. They only people i killed while trying them out in arena where braindead spammers that didn't see the massive cloud of lightning about to nuke them.
I Hope so much that they Nerf it. This bullshit can destroy pvp completely. I‘ll definetly report this to bandai. But also the new Frenzy Flame greatsword ash of war has a broken hitbox and infinite hyper armor…
Dumb
Considering they nerfed Endure in 5 days when it went from 3 seconds to 5 seconds, to back down to 3 I'm hopeful. As always jar cannon and other fire arms are probably your best tool.
I am Vietnamese and the joke at 0:54 made me spit my drink. 10/10
giải thích tôi được không, t không hiểu nó joke cái gì ))
Started a new character to see the low-level experience. Went to get the Jar talisman. The NPC champions have this AoW. At 60 Vigor, you get one-shot if it all connects. Have fun getting that talisman now!
offline mode
Ahh...Giant Hunt maybe?These are NPCs after all, they have no brains. So far Giant Hunt stunlock into oblivion always worked perfectly for any NPC that doesn't has Lion's Claw to hyperarmor through it. Or you can just temporarily go offline and not deal with other players' builds.
@@l.o.v.e-sick5330 halberd and hand axe. Peasant's specialty.
I’m suddenly happy that up until the dlc dropped I stayed in offline mode lmao
Bruh you can get them to jump off like why are you so upset?
I’m glad that there is a way we can submit bug reports, buddy and I were trying to deal with some bosses in the DLC yesterday and somehow, people kept invading mid boss fight and were able to get into the arena. Every time, without fail. It didn’t even feel like the 20 minute timer between each invasion ran through
I definitely have been getting invaded more often than the timer as well.
That's been an issue for awhile, I've invaded the fire giant fight several times.
Does no one in Fromsoft offices like...play? Do they have dead monkeys as testers? Did they not at least have the fuxkin interns play some one vs one with the new weapons or ashes? Seriously, wtf is happening over there? How does this keep happening? Its been almost 20 years of game development with these titles...how do they keep making the same mistakes?
Based on that question, no, they don't learn from their mistakes. PvE is PvE, it's gonna be fine no matter what. It's PvP that really matters. There are so many weapons and ashes of war that's out there in the game WAITING to be collected and used. But no, instead, we have to constantly deal with crap like this.
I don't mind it when they use it sparingly. It's just the LT/L2 spammers is what really hurt the game. I still firmly believe that FromSoft's devs don't realize that there are a lot of people who spam L2/LT, and it gets very annoying.
It's like dealing with RoB and Bloodhound Step users, just now with more speed.
Swift Slash is the equivalent of RoB, zero brain cells, zero skills, and maidenless cause they keep slicing them in half with the ash of war.
This IS TRUE POWER RANNI...
THE STORM WILL APPROCH TO U HOME RANNI..WTTACH THE SKY AND THE HITBOXES
DAMN STRAIGHT, Vergil! Also true! 🤣
I dont know man i think someone at fromsoft has a hard on for reverse blades. Its one thing if they created a broken ash but to make two broken ashes and for them to be exclusive to reverse blades. What are the odds
What's broken about it?
@@TheMeanArena ._.
It's crazy that this was an oversight when, in 1.12, many weapons and Ash of Wars were nerfed in PVP specifically and only some in PVE to a lesser extent. This thing from the video looks good in PVE, but it's beyond broken stupid in PVP that needs a fix ASAP.
Just like how they nerfed my boi Bloodhound's Step and Moonveil.
Your asking how this AOE made it. The same way all visual clutter made it into the Final DLC bossfight.
Lore accurate vergil powers
I found this day 2, and ive been romping all over invasions since then. This doesn't need a nerf, it needs to be removed from the game. period. Its Absolutely game breaking and I don't think nerfing it will make it any better unless you make it completely unusable.
I smoked a guy 20+negdiff & his whole party yesterday & today I can’t do anything the moment L2 spam starts😒
Oh cool my concern for blind spot was recognized but Holy crap swift slash needs a nerf like badly
Blindspot isn't as bad with how it works, since it's purpose is to counter against shields, but swift slash? sheesh what were they drinking while making it.
@@xanthiusdrake2775 Blindspot, also....because I've been running it, and I love it, works great if you use it as a counter-dodge sort of deal. The enemy attacks, and you use it to juke and hit them at the same time. Works great on big slow fuckers or predictable foes.
Blindspot better not get nerfed, I love it, I want that to remain intact. I fucked with swift slash a little, but it's only OK in PVE, so.... eh, I can take or leave it.
@@TheZombieburnerBlindspot is also very broken, any ash that you can just simply use on reaction to get free damage off at no cost to yourself in pvp is broken. It's like old storm stomp but it has i-frames.
@@TheZombieburnerI agree, I really enjoy using blindspot in pve it makes the game so much more fun and it’s awesome. It would piss me off if they nerfed it hard just because of pvp. Like I get that pvp is an element of elden ring but pve is the main gameplay element and hurting pve for the sake of pvp is a bad move. I wonder what percentage of players actually engage in pvp on a regular basis compared to how many play only pve. I think they should just disable it in pvp, like certain ashes just can’t be used in the coliseum. That way serious pvp players have a place to compete against each other in a more balanced setting, casual pvp players can still use it in invasions and play around with all the crazy broken (fun) combos possible with invasions, and pve players don’t get kneecapped because of a small group of loud pvp players.
it is a single player game with online PVP. If it was a PVP game first it would be very different.
The perks of playing fighting games, I have no issues with this but have a bad habit of instantly dying after one screw up.
Edit: Also using weird builds helps. No one expects vow of the indomitable or scarlet fucking aeonia. Or rolling in a different direction most times, and I'm now realizing that my opinion does not matter because too many people struggle but hey I can help the algorithm I guess.
Oh it fits perfectly, just as Miasaki said, he wanted to see how far be could push the player base with this DLC, and given the Gaius and Messmer fights, and now this ash of war? Yup, he meant every word of it.
Both of them are nothing compared to Redahn lol
Messmer was fun but fuck Gaius. And I'm the one person who uses vow of the indomitable mixed with rolls, still fuck Gaius. Only boss I have cheesed.
@@Fulgorariancoltagree, worst Remembrance boss in the dlc
Messmer was not hard at all. I struggeld 10 times more with the putrescent knight (aka. Ludwig+Orphan of Kos abomination)
@@Father303 Thats wild bro, i had no issue with Putrescent Knight what so ever, his moveset was easy to follow, to me Messmer moves way too fast and has long winded combos thats hard to avoid for me.
Waiting for the neckbeards who defend it by saying "its not op just roll into it" because they dont want their crutch to be nerfed
Has anyone tried shielding it? I geuniunely would like to know for research. I kinda carry shields for most scenarios.
that wouldn't even work cause it of how the aoes spawn.
....... if i were to change/nerf it myself i would probably make it that the 'slash explosions' spawn when you make contact with the enemy, not dropped behind them like compressed farts. spawns at the enemy area. punishes peeps who try to block it.
this wouldn't nerf tis effect in pve as you'd still have the wind exlposions. could code it that it can only 'mark' 3 enemies with the explosions.
@@taddad2641 oh ik it doesnt work but ive seen so many people say it that Im starting to think its my imagination, they dont have to deal with it so they assume how it works and dont want it nerfed coz it carries them 😂
I wouldn't want it to be nerfed because I'm not a PVP player I do PVE and this is a similar problem to the Hoarfrost Stomp ash of war so a nerf would likely not just be PVP side but also just make it completely worthless in PVE like the frost stomp is. It's 1000% getting the frost stomp treatment though so I guess it will be more dung in my ash of war inventory.
@@enoenthehero steel is using a shield in the footage
I stayed of elden ring pvp because i knew it was gonna be busted and gimmicky with ash of war swapping, im not suprised this still holds true this far in.
This is why I miss Dark Souls 3 Dark Souls 3 had a good balance there were no weapons that applied status in like two or three hits in order to apply status viably you need it to have a very fast weapon and you need it to be able to be good at putting pressure on your opponent also the ashes of War were tied to specific weapons so you didn't have to worry about Annoying s*** like quickstep being attached to a spear. But of course it's a problem now since Miyazaki is the only game director I know that gets worse with every game he makes
The thing is, it IS a PVE game first and foremost, so it is reflected in the game design.
Of course the DLC is gonna have OP stuff, every FromSoft's game had until now. And that is expected and needed, the way they go around it to make the player want to use the new stuff is that the player has an end game character, so they have to account for that in level design and new weapons, spells, skills and whatnot. If it's not better, then why would they bother creating new stuff you know?!
I just find it funny how there are players complaining about the DLC being to hard (which is ironic to say the least), and then there's the PVP players complaining it's broken! Whilst I'm just happy to be back in Elden Ring.
The tl;dr is: The new stuff NEEDS to feel better than the old stuff. Will it continue to be this way? Of course not, we all know that they will balance everything out eventually, now how long will it take? Well, who knows...
You my friend are wrong fromsoft games are pvp games
@@Jammermt99 There are so many ways that I can prove my point, so let's name a few:
- The subgenre created from FromSoftware's games is called "Soulsborne" right? And that subgenre have nothing to do with PVP for a reason.
- They went out of their way to hire a famous author just to write their background story.
- The creators they recognize and sent gifts to, as far as I know, are either lore related like Miss Chalice, or Let me solo her because he became iconic for helping other people. No PVP related stuff.
I could go on, but let's end it with this: Imagine that a new Stree Fighter game releasese with a killer sotry mode, sure enough there will be people who enjoy it so much that some of them just play it for the story. Now even if that happens that does not make SF a story driven franchise, even if they choose to do so moving forward, Fighting games are PVP oriented. That's just the nature of the genre.
*I'm not trying to say you are wrong for enjoying that part of the game, what I'm saying is that their type of games is primarily PVE.
@@williamfugimoto8526 its quite obviously both a pvp and pve game, they're woven together
Pvp in ER sucks ass. RIP DkS3 pvp, it was amazing for years until glitchers ruined it
Had an invader spam this on the host while I was a cooperator. The only reason we survived is because I spammed erd tree heal on the side. After he failed he alt-f4'ed out of the match.
Vergil: Omae wa mou shindeiru
Player: NANI!?
Your already dead
WHAT!?
theres no way Miyazaki just designs this shit and goes “this wont be broken at all”
He doesn't even play the damn games. For all we know he was probably asleep in his office while an intern designed this s***
@@MightGuy15 He stated he plays everything fully pre-release. But someone else is in charge of battle balance stuff for PVP, yes.
@@realQuestion you are making that up lol he actually said the exact opposite in interviews
@@kotzer71You’re both making stuff up
@@tuba3000 no im right only takes a quick google search it's not that hard
Finally something to counter sweaty invaders always hard swapping
Finally, something to counter the clueless pvers always spamming.
Having pvp exclusive balance doesnt mean its a pvp game. Its still primarily a pve game, just with *some* pvp elements.
It'd be like saying league of legends is a pve game because you can fight bots. Its a primarily pvp game, with *some* pve.
Should this ash of war be nerfed in pvp? Absolutely. Pvp-ers deserve better. Pvp-ers deserve proper pvp, not something haphazardly tacked on to a primarily pve experience.
I'll still maintain my position that the invasion system is ass though. For all parties involved. Always has been, no matter how many bandages get put on it. It needs to be entirely reconceptualized.
Good take
This is basically a Nioh 2 skill in a game that has Dark Souls 3 levels of speed and character control with added jumping and crouching.
Who the f*ck let this thing go through a designer room, testing room and then the early playtests AND THEN the actual early press releases.
And I wish I was kidding... Nioh games actually have some skills that kinda look similar to this shite... minus the incredible forward momentum.
Honestly 80% of this game's problem is the fact that it plays like Dark Souls if would have Incorporated elements from all of the past games like sekiro and bloodborne this game would have truly been a masterpiece I imagine this ash of War wouldn't have been problematic if you could just Parry it or even do the fast Dodge like you could in bloodborne which to this day I have no idea where that's the only game where they put that type of Dodge in. ,
@@MightGuy15 The problem is slightly more complex IMHO.
The weapon balance was always shit in Elden Ring, but animations play a big role in this as well. Some weapons were just too fast or too slow. Same with ashes.
If this ash of war would be slower, it would not be such a massive issue. But it is absurdly fast. And does decent damage, and comboes into itself, and transfers status effects, and has level 3 stun... It's just too f*cking much. It is so obviously an issue with power creep and ignorance of the game mechanics.
Furthermore I find it digusting for a completely different reason as well: it is a REALLY op Ash of War, that is from a BRAND NEW DLC, which is not cheap.
It is a dirty FOMO/power bait marketing tactic.
Want all the new and OP stuff? Buy the DLC!
Want anime slashes, charges and swords? Buy the DLC you muppet, what are you waiting for? And if you don't buy the dlc you miss all the new shiny OP stuff, too bad get bent... like come on at least be subtle about this shit.
@zwidowca1 yeah fair points I hope this isn't the sign of how from software plans to operate in the future. I also find it odd that this is the first time they locked the dragon form behind the DLC. In every other game that wasn't the issue but of course now it has to be an issue
@@MightGuy15 That's one of the other things that sort of leads me to believe this FOMO shit. Some important and powerful stuff seems to be locked away in that DLC...
Meanwhile in Dark Souls 3: LKSS and PKCS available in base game and to this day one of the most borked options for PVP alongside some DLC choices such as Murky. Oh and all my favourite DS3 weapons for both PVP and PVE somehow ended up being from the base game : |. There are some REALLY good options in the DLCs but it's nothing that breaks the game in half aside from above mentioned Murky
Cause it’s cool
i don't think they play tested this dlc at all they were to busy making everything look cool and flashy with to many particle effects
They did but they didnt playtest it for pvp
@@Elden-Bear i doubt that
My personal tips to “counter” this abomination is to always roll in the direction that will get you further away from the opponent and if you have enough distance throw a lightning spear so that by the time it leaves your hand your enemy has finished his animation. Aside from that, hyperarmor and hope for the best
I add mohgs spear AoW into the mix while my girl hurls non stop spears while using bloodhound step. We run high faith & arcane builds.
Me, who is doing a Level 500, NG+7 Vergil Build/No Mods (PS5, lol!), right now in the DLC, saw THIS vid:' Oh, F%#@ YEAH!' I'm at the Final Boss, Phase 1, I've been getting past, quite a bit, NOW, this vid, has got me a few ideas! Vergil is the COOLEST one in all of Devil May Cry! My NG+6 and 7 runs, as HIM, DESTROYED Malenia! OMFG, it was SO badass! I know this Ash of War, just got nerfed, BUT, still cool AF! I'm going to try it on said Final Boss! Thank You for another Vergil vid!
They just nerfed Swift Slash and its STILL not fixed. They reduced PVP damage. Hooray. Now it'll just take longer for it to kill you, lmao. As long as it still stuns, makes you invulnerable, and has the speed and range of a sniper bullet, it will stay broken. I hope to god they arent done patching it and this was just an emergency band aid.
It's the Bloodfowl Step Dance.
Never thought I would see something WORSE than pre nerf BHS. Unfortunately from a design perspective this entire ash would need to be completely gutted at least in PVP. Triple FP cost, huge dmg reduction, probably a range reduction, hitbox size reduction and a much longer recovery and maybe it would be acceptable.
Bro I faced it in arena it's like being in a blender absolutely awful
think a possible way to nerf it is largely to have the 'slash bombs' spawn when you make contact with an enemy, not leaving them on the ground like compressed fart bombs.
@@taddad2641even then, it's unreactable damage
@@higguma if all damage is reactable the game boils down to a boring slog of whos gonna give up first
I think it’s salvageable for PvP without gutting the vibe. If I were the dev;
- Reduce the damage of the initial slash greatly in PvP. Like by 90%, if not removed.
- Eliminate the poise impact and hitstun of the initial slash.
- Reduce the poise impact/hitstun of the cloud to about that of an uncharged R2. Allow it to be guarded against.
- Extend the endlag slightly.
That way, the slash isn’t the core of the damage and can’t lock people into getting hit by the full blast, instead it’s the tell for the actual attack: the cloud of slashes coming a predictable moment later. You could roll it, guard it, or wind up a R2 to trade aiming behind themselves.
Saw this for the first time in an invasion and I knew we have a new, terrifying meta.
4:15 FromSoft pvp has *always* been trash. Like the tacky little arena battle add-on in Champions of Norrath 2 (I forget the name), it’s strictly there as a side note. “Invasions by npc’s add to the lore” sure, and I’d still take that lore and put it on an item to discover.
Point being, pvp might be a big part of this series, but it’s not a good one.
That’s funny how players like Waifu and steelovsky yipping about cheaters, glitchers and other shit and.. and do same things, but even hiding this. Just for a content, of course, just for a viewers. But that is bad example for people who watch such channels. That video about cheat engine.. bruh that was so unexpected, I couldn’t believe he make a tutorial of how to cheat and game, and before that he make video about cheaters and how suck they are.. yikes
I hope they find a way to fix this for pvp without ruining it for pve. It is a really cool ability to have in pve. Definitely understand why it needs to die in a fire for pvp though.
I would honestly rather they just leave it alone then gut it to the extent where it becomes useless like they did with the rivers of blood
@@MightGuy15 leaving it alone will just kill the multiplayer scene outside of people using seamless coop. everyone will be running this.
Like what? Hell I can't think of any way that can modify PvP stuff without touching pve, if only we had something like exclusive PvP changes
I see it no different from the Deathblight glitch thing with eclipse shotel and fire's deadly sin. Its not a feature, its a bug
I doubt it's a bug, this isn't the first time they added something overpowered through DLC.
This is an oversight not bug, that one new colossal having free true combo with 2 R1s (or worse) is an actual bug.
Well, there we have it... New rivers of blood.
Rivers of blood is joke compared to this night mare. Bro I faced in arena and I'm telling you it's like being in a blender
You can dodge rivers of blood with the right movements - this thing is a lose-lose no matter WHAT you do
@@ALUCARDTWILLIGHT😂, looks like
What about roaring sparks and golden Crux? Those are broken AF also. Although golden crux for some ungodly reason has enough hyper armor to withstand the aow and can for some reason hit players with high latency no matter what? I used golden crux on someone that didn't take damage even if I hit and stagger them but golden Crux aow for some reason can hit thru? Also no one has been able to roll golden Crux either? Its so easy to chain the aow together unless your in a light roll setup
Thanks for the Vergil Clip in the beginning, it is indeed a perfect rapid slash, id just wish I could put it on a katana
Honestly I feel like nearly every weapon from the DLC is like this, its like as if the devs were more focused on making their new weapons look so fancy and fast that they straight up forgot about how it would do in PVP
The flashy weapons actually aren’t that good in pvp though, this on the other hand
I think it should be greatly nerfed in pvp. Should stay in pve, super fun
Op vs op no nerfs needed
most of them sort of suck. .the game is pve focused with pvp as a secondary that is just reality so I doubt as much went into pvp testing
@@cwapisme I've seen things man.. An AoW that has the character constantly jumping around and spinning, keeping constant pressure on me. I think Mesmer's spear or whatever it is has this really annoying AoW which has the character flying around with all these fancy particles, and deals like ~1000 damage each time the AoW is spammed
IF anyone cares: The hard counter to this is using Endure on a great weapon and then just poising into the guy when he L2s
To balance, instead of random spheres used as a hitbox, its a thin narrow rectangle from your waist height down that travels across. The initial hitbox of the attacker as they warp, does no stagger damage, allowing the opponent to simply jump and negate the rest of the damage.
So this is strong if you catch someone unaware, but the moment they jump, its very ineffective.
You can tell this is broken specifically because any time I fight someone in duels, they immediately switch to it the second they start losing. Followed by teabagging and pointing down, it's a shitter weapon. Rivers of blood all over again.
Make it so that there is more time between the after slashes, no stagger, and a longer animation cooldown after use so it can’t be spammed as easily
I've already fought with these spammers in the arena several times and finally today, by some sick luck, I managed to win, I rolled backwards and tried to counter in time with a crouch attack with two katanas and when we dealt the last blow to each other for the first time I saw 1hp on my bar. This victory is one of the most satisfying I've achieved in a fromsoftware game!
Rolling backwards seems to be the only fighting chance
Why don’t they get rid of the serpant hunter glitch
it's a feature
To counter shit like this
@@leonardo9259 ya sure. Imagine the meeting. Sir thats like BHS and everyone complained about it, now we gave this ash attacks on top. Ah thats no problem we have other bugged items to counter it.... And people call this good game design.
I love the faint Devil trigger in the background
the DLC is not very replayable to begin with, but now pvp isn't going to retain many either. If something doesn't change soon, Elden Ring will be on life support faster that From Soft anticipated.
That ash of war is not broken.
THIS
IS
POWER
Edit: Seriously, the problem is the ash of wars itself. Now it's impossible to change that mechanic but in the next game, they have to "limit the ash of wars utilisation", like in Lies of P.
And I fukin missed it! Because i fought messmer before getting summoned
Fuck PvP, where can I find this beauty!?😅
@@Whitemale112can u drop one for me bro
Breaks PvP? Good. Screw PvP and everyone that does it.
I agree with EVERYTHING said in this video. With that said, I LOVED seeing Steelovsky getting cooked the way he did by that L2 spammer! Dude deserved it!
funny how the people that argue that elden is a pve/PVP game are both wrong, on the one side, it is pve at it's core, pvp updates are just because the pvp playerbase is thirsty for content, while the pvp players use an argument they forced into existence.
Huge respect from me on this one. Thank you for calling out froms jank bs. My favorite games by far, but we have to call out the dumb stuff. Ty waifu
I've said this before, but it bears repeating. Fromsoft makes single player games, that they then tack multiplayer on to. Which is why even 5 games in, they still can't seem to understand how to design weapons and armor, that don't break the multiplayer, and put it in rails.
I think the solution can be: this ash require the 100% of your stamina and can’t be activate whiteout a full bar
Never cook again
Brain dead solution
Close to a good idea, id say... 70% stamina. Give them some to roll away from.
Heh heh heh, gotta love anything that makes invaders cry. You guys like to invade us, well now we have back-pocket shank to send you home. Oh no, you might have to go fight in the arena with people prepared and ready for pvp instead of harassing people who just want to play with a friend? The horror...😏
Least braindead only waifu viewer:
This game is 100% pve game idc what you say. I mean they ruined good weapons due to the literal 10% of pvp players due to invaders which make up the like 90% of pvp
Cool , can't wait to use it on pvp
I really don't care what happens in pvp.
I want them to leave pve content separate.
It's unfair that I can't get to use ashes and weapons in their prime because pvp abuses them.
Just make the nerfs that only hit pvp duels and invaders.
This ash of war and backhand blades made me consider quitting souls games i really dont want to do that bc outside of a few setups like this one the pvp is God tier
Well maybe some of you don't like to hear this. But the game is mainly pve game and pvp is just an afterthought. I think this is the root of the problem and lack of testing in pvp scenarios.
Damn, that’s terrible. …so where do I get it and how can I make the most broken build with it?
So I know not to do that. Obviously.
Blind spot ash of war is just as disgusting, no dodging, no visible point to parry, massive damage output both ash of wars don’t even take 2 second to go off.
Wait, not even Bloodhound’s Step can’t get out of it? This is as bad as Waterfowl Dance but it’s even faster and reaches further.
NGL, had some amazing laughs and fun in invasions fighting against some turbo vergils with this, I don't use it but in a way... I am Motivated.
Dark times for pvp. brace yourself to have your multiplayer experience with friends even more ruined by no-life invaders aow spammers mfs
I love this ash in pve, but I bet it will get nerfed due to PvP. I’ll be sad but I’ll enjoy the other backhand blade ash of war.