Brainless Champions: Outdated or Essential? | League of Legends
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- A week or so back I made a video on Manaless champions and their impact on League of Legends. So I decided to talk about another category of champions that also draw some attention: Brainless Champions! The topic of discussion for today will be whether or not they are outdated and need to be reworked, or are essential to the game just as much as complex champions.
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Vars: Leaves out Master Yi by accident
Viewers: *So you have chosen... death.*
I was about to tell that you forgot yi
Lmao
Exactly what I was thinking
Well, you forgot also Malzahar and his kit which includes 1 button
YES
Yi sqishy stun him or burst him
rammus main here, i like going fast, killing pirate gun lady by pressing 2 buttons and buying ice fist thing to become big turtle
life is ok
Ok
Yeah
Alright
Hmm..
I appreciate you killing pirate lady. Her ult is the most brainless one
We’re all brainless for subjecting ourselves to this torturous game
nicage funni
And we're soulless for continuing to play, despite it being torture
Very based and very real
While me here, waiting for even a more brainless mode -- URF 🤣
Cry more...
Nasus in lore: *incredible tactician who worked his way up the army through skill and good judgement*
Nasus in game: _bonk smol men to bonk bigger men later_
"Bonk small men to bonk bigger men later" sounds like a troll proverb
in conclusion, bonk your way to enemy nexus and don't look at map
Nah, he has good judgement. He's investing in his Q to get more *Stonks* later
@@olsenfernandes3634 *More bonks
@@apollyon1311 more bonks is separate.
*The more the Stonks, the harder the Bonks*
Hopefully this video comes out before Garen mains are done spinning and Nasus mains are done farming...I think you're safe.
I used to one trick garen for years. I'll be the first to say that I don't want him to be as brainless as he is, because if he's more skill expressive, then I can be rewarded more for being good at him. It's never very reassuring to know that you main a champion which can't even sustain a decent winrate in challenger because the abilities of said champion are too simple.
@@abcdefgh-kt9fx Both Camille and Nasus are braindead. It's easier to snowball as Camille, but it's easier for Nasus to stay passive and progressively get stronger as long as his team doesn't int.
@@abcdefgh-kt9fx if you've played the game for a while your perception of champion difficulty is completely different from that of someone who hasn't even figured out what turret plates are. To a complete newbie Camille is harder than Nasus
Done farming??? What's that supposed to mean?
The grind for stonks dont stop
Nasus 1000 stacks Bonks adc : "Wow Riot added new type of minion"
As a Veigar main
I can say, farming AP and then pressing R on the 0/20 khazix in the enemy team requires a lot of skill and microplay.
To be fair he teaches you a lot about wave management and warding (since that's pretty much the only thing that can save you from a gank)
Veigar is a infinite scaling champ, part of the "weak early, but ticking bombs late" champs. Playing a safe early is a skill most players lack due to the agressive meta league have nowadays, also.... U have a "execution" without a indicator, so u have to KNOW the thresholds by instict... that's another skill.
What R? Isnt it called the "outplay button"?
@@Dingdong2730 I like to see it as the "win fight" botton
As a fellow Veigar player his main "skill" you need is to deal with 90% of your enemies having a dash. Meaning your W and E are hard to land and if they dodge those you have no real way of fighting back or escaping unless it's really late and you can 2-shot them with Q and have like 2 sec CD on your abilitys.
The only reason Viego is dynamic is because of his passive. His entire kit is like morde level simplicity.
And the fact that he can spam his ult free with his passive... God please what the fuck is that
Well I mean the dynamics is really his variable stun time on his W and his Mist his Q is spam sure but that's like saying GP Q or Yasuo Q is spam it's made to be spammed.
It's a good thing a passive ability is part of a kit
@@Xeno-Wrath so basically:
Blitzkrang gets a shield when low, but its pretty weak, and only happens every 90 seconds.
While viego, on top of normal kill bemefits, gets 3 new abilities he can use with no cd, a recast of his ult, becomes untargetable and heals half his health.
only big difference is that viego isn't as cool
Well, I think simple champions are good for the game so long as they have playstyles that encourage interaction. Malphite I think is in dire need of something that forces him to do ANYTHING in the landing phase besides spam his targeted Q and run away until you’re 30% HP and then he can point blank R you. Nasus (other than E max Comet) has at least a win condition that puts him at some sort of risk and Garen’s passive has CLEAR counterplay in the landing phase.
malphite struggles against non-mana lane opponents. his q cost is really high. plus he cant do anything much if any other top lane all-in him because his dueling damage is very bad
@@hqhuy931 except he has really good self peel tools? His Q steals MS and his E nukes attack speed, I’m not saying he doesn’t have BAD matchups, I think it’s fine playing Renekton into him or some one else with both sustain and mobility, but realistically you only ever have Kill pressure before he gets an armor item or two. Most of the time once he has tabis bramble, good luck ever killing him in lane+ the utility on his Ult combined with the fact that he’s an immovable rock in lane means he simultaneously prevents you from getting off the ground and carrying and is still extremely useful while on low resources himself. I’m just not a big fan of the champ in it’s current state, I think it’s GOOD that there’s simple champions, especially ones designed for autofill, I just don’t think his play style is very healthy for the game.
@@Poxyquotl i think simple champs are a great way to learn aspects such as itemization, macro, map awareness, warding and such and not have to worry about mechanics. I think mal is an example of what a tank really is: explosive engage, strong mid game, bulky and tough and able to stand his own. I hate mal matchup up top as well, but he's more commonly found support and most top laners prefer fighters rather than tanks anyways
@Paris Hart You can poke him a little bit if your champ can do and if the Garen stands too far back he misses gold and exp, there is the counterplay .
@Paris Hart Constantly trading into him? Garen is lowkey pretty weak early on, at least compared to his peers. Garen's sustain early on is the only thing he has got going for him along with waveclear.
The passive is pretty shit in the earlygame, Darius with the highest base health regen in the game basically has the same regen as Garen with his passive, so it isnt like its massively unfair to play against, at least I dont feel that way.
The worst lanes in top I think are champions that you cant interact with as a melee champion, that would be stuff like Malphite, Tahm Kench, Akali and Urgot, where Malphite and Akali interact with you like they are ranged champions, but they are not. Tahm Kench and Urgot are just massively unfair to play against for all melee champs since if they hit you with 1 ability in the early levels, your lane is over pretty much done and only if you play some hyper scaling splitpusher like Jax, Nasus or Fiora do you ever have light at the end of the tunnel of actually winning a 1v1 if you wait till 20 minutes.
In higher elo champions like Gangplank and Jayce also become uninteractive laners, but at least they are absolutely useless champions if you set them behind early and dont have to respect their poke.
This is why I like TF. His kit is extremely simple yet has lots of skill expression regardless through macro play alone.
the main champion belonging to arguably the best solo queue player of all time, dopa
Average TF main after shoving wave, ulting bot lane and point and click stunning someone: "I'm like, so good at macro, my dude."
@@adrianbunea2006 shen does that better this season since tf hasn’t been alive meta for long tome lol
@@goldenmemes51 Shen doesn't have a guaranteed stun, his ganks are not as offensive, and most times he needs to react to someone about to die, TF decides he wants to go bot, he doesn't have to react and pay attention to the HP of teammates 24/7.
oh you mean shove mid wave then ult to bot & then catch Adc with a point &click stun? yeah really macro plays
We call champs like Nasus or Garen brainless but we gotta look at the true problem in league
Its league
Based EBF fan
EBFFFFF
No no no we have to dig deeper...
*Its the Items*
These s11 items make me mixer feelings. Some of them are good, and feel nice. But some of them make me feel like I got outplayed by 3k gold :/ (stride, shieldbow, galeforce,...)
@@soul_bolt eclipse
I wonder why people talk about how there's little counterplay to a fed 'brainless' champion... How do you counterplay those 'skilled' champs (let's take akali) when she's fed? or kat? I think it's the same argument.
When a champion can do so much, it's not on you to counterplay... it is on them to mess up. I don't think that's any better.
Imo overloaded champions are worse than "braindead" for that exact reason
You can dodge literally all of akalis abilities, you can dodge all of katas daggers and then they are useless because they didnt deal damage You cannot dodge garen q or malphites q or Annie's q or so many others.
@@Fableruin well if the problem is a champ that must face bonk all your skillshots in order to deal you damage, i think the problem is on you.
I can understand that it's impossible to run from a tryndamere, but otherwise you can just play around any mundo/garen/malphite/cho/nasus/trundle etc.
Moreover, the next time you dodge an akali ult just post the video, i wanna see it.
@@Fableruin you telling me it's easy to dodge akalis skillshots all the time without scripting?
Also, akalis ult is a point and click. 🤡
Overloaded champs are bad if their kit is too broad. Kaisa is overloaded but she still has to run to your face and unloading her CDs and right click you she just has more methods to do that than the average adc and all of them are weaker then adc with 1 strong tool but combined are good meanwhile yone is overloaded and bad because not only he has the best trade tool in the game(his e) but not only that he has a shield, aoe cc and massive mixed damage. If a garen gets ahead you can quit toplane because he can't fuck up he will literally run you down but being a simple champ you can avoid getting stomped because he can do one thing meanwhile kat has a lot of ways to stomp you but she can fuck up really hard even when ahead. A fed Kata that jumps into 3 people that have at least 1 hard cc has to avoid it or even she dies no matter how fed she is if you see a fed garen running towards the same 3 people they just have to run.
You gotta love when the master yi runs at the speed of fucking light to demote me to bronze.
*laughs in Untargetable*
Gotta love when a yi runs at me at the speed of light and I fiddle fear him back to his base xD
while be in alpha strike 8=% of the Time and Insible 10% of the Time thanks to Draktarr.
pick something with target CC (Leona Q, Fiddle fear, etc). CC'd yi = dead yi
@@TheCowai Fiddle fear can be dodged, my Lulu Polymorph too.
Leona Q is Melee, so it's not that easy to come in range before next alpha strike.
I think Soraka is misunderstood. Her Q isn't used as "chip damage" (I mean - it's not it's main use). It's actually used to gain the benefits of Rejuvenation and heal both yourself and your allies a lot better. Soraka's healing from W becomes A LOT stronger if she just hits her Q first. I feel like a lot of people don't know that, but it's actually a huge part of her kit that makes her a little harder that people think she is.
Soraka is not brainless. She has a simple kit but requires a LOT of positioning and split second decisions. She's always dancing at the edge of life and death. Everyone will focus the Soraka and she has to still be in range of her Q or lose out a lot of health to heal people.
Her only defence is the movespeed she gets from hitting Q.
Not to mention GW makes her work much harder.
I have no idea why he chose to Soraka as a brainless support instead of Sona. I have mastery 7 on both of them, and Soraka has a really high skill ceiling, needs constant map awareness, needs to stay safe but still land Q, a lot of different factors. With Sona you literally mash your Q and still do half of the enemy's health bar with one ability, and mash all your other keys alongside that.
@@emotional_st0rm Sona is a lot easier but she doesn't do that much dmg lol. She is literally a minion now with all the nerfs she got. No damage whatsoever.
@@sharp_iodine2737 Sona has low skill floor, but high skill ceiling, in regards to her power cords among other things.
As far as Soraka goes... she started out as the healing enchanter, but was reworked into a counterintuitive mess, which does poorly into both engage and poke lanes. The latter of which she is meant to counter.
@@sighman9209 it's just grievous wounds. It completely ruined her and deleted her from the game. It shouldn't be so accessible and so oppressive.
I think brainless or simple champions should exist, for beginners to learn the game with and for people who aren't gifted with good mechanics but still like to play the game.
Ye, but it kinda sucks loving to play a champion and knowing you are being placed in lower ranks by your champion pick and not your skill expression...
@@lazarblanusa6622 then if rank really matters to you, choose a different champion
nasus is busted do not lie
Agreed. Brainless champs have very simple kits which makes it easy to learn, but they're not broken because their simple kit makes them predictable to play against aswell.
@@markossmith8895 how does that fix anything? I ask a legit question and you just say choose a different champion, this should be a game about players skill, not champions skill, imagine if that was the case, in top ranks you would see like 5 champs per role, of which 2 would be banned and 2 would be played, does that sound like good game balance and design?
People hate Garen because they’re jealous that he press q e w and then r and kills them whereas they have to flash, dash, smash their head into the keyboard, go untargetable, flash mastery, ignite you to kill you. Why go through all that work to achieve the same thing?
People is not jealous about that. People know that a full AS Garen, or Full Crit Garen does that, but at the same time he builds full tank and the results are the same, so actually people is complaining about his W which makes him extremely tanky just for existing and dealing damages that he shouldn't be doing.
And is not only Garen, is all the tanks and Bruisers.
Based and redpilled
That's exactly the point. It makes people feel shit.
Why would you bother investing time and effort learning a mechanical champ when Garen can 100-0 you in one rotation using only your mouse? Not everyone wants to be a monkey playing Garen all day. He's honestly not exciting to play as nor against.
I don't think garen can do that unless he has a good early game, so clearly he did something right if he is able to 100-0 you late game, I mean with irelia you can still carry using your abilities late game even if you aren't fed, but at some point one e and q and 2 autos do the same thing late game, the only difference is how fed irelia, same for garen, like every champ he can't do anything unless he is fed.
@@Geheimnis-c2e wdym not exciting to play?
I love internally screaming
"DEMACIAAA"
"FOR THE CAUSE!!"
"JUSTICE!"
Every time I spin on them or R them, I can easily focus on macro because you can easily execute "Garen combos"
Garen is cool yo. He has a second passive where people forget he has an execute in his kit and get angry for dying to it
I feel that
It's funnier when tank players forget that it's based off of missing health too.
@@bakamitai3462 Its an execute if you are under 2k health tho
450+30% missing health kills most adcs after a single q
What frustrates me about Garen is the union of many tilting things that you can include in a champion, the Q is a silence, and while you're in the silence you watch your bar quickly go down with his E and then boom, without being able to cast any of your abilities he Rs your ass, and its really not necessary to be fed with him to be able to do that
Mundo is straightup the only brainless champion which u wont get flamed for playing cause mundo goes where he pleases
Mundo is brainless.
Literally
@@IronMan-mj1kx yes
I mean I feel like many “brainless” champs have to have good macro because they have low skill expression and low outplay potential.
every champ needs good macro lol
TF is a perfect exemple of a braindead champion in term of mechanics but that requier a lot of macro knowledge.
@@augustomegalindo But not every champ has a low skill ceiling and low outplay potential.
@@carnivorze1052 yeah but that’s the whole point of TF, macro. That’s the main diff between a good one and a bad one. A brain dead garen can just keep rushing at people or towers and kill them. TF changes the whole micro thing to macro that’s why he isn’t as brain dead as you think.
@@augustomegalindo Yeah but each champ has a different amount of reliance on macro. Generally the more tools you have the more you can outplay a poorly positioned team-fight.
An impressive feat in it's own right, but it means you can let your macro game slide a bit on outplay champs.
I am a garen main
Mommy just picked me up from elementary school
I go home and walk to my computer
Should League of legends or Roblox?
I see the funny yelling spinny man
league of legends I decide
I go click on the icon with the big L
I love playing Garen I said with an enthusiastic voice
I click the big blue button
I start queing for top my favorite role
I lock in my favorite champ Garen
I am loaded in and ready to spin
I managed to get a solokill at level 3 because skill
Enemy get very mad at me for playing garen
I sad 😦
I click the letter E on my keyboard and the funny man spins yells DEMACIA
I happy again 🙂
I love garen
Lmao
i can’t tell if this comment is meant to be anti garen or pro garen lol
@@sammartin6914 why not both!?
@@sammartin6914 Pro Garen of course
Better than playing Akali
"Harder Champions are easier to balance." Riot trying to balance Aphelios...
the reason why he said it's easier to balance because there's a lot of things that needs to be changed to get him to borderline op, while champs like garen you only need to change his Q's recharge or base damage and you got yourself a top tier champ
Patch 99.9 Aphelios Changes:
Passive - Weapons of The Faithful:
Attack Damage: 5-30 -> Removed
Attack Speed: 6%-30% -> Removed
Lethality: 10-60 -> 10-180
"Why not?"
Azir crying in the corner
Azir, Kalista, Aphelios, etc. The amount of overloaded champions Riot gave up on balancing is much higher than the simple ones(only really old Yorick)
He s wr is low bc people suck , not bc the champ is bad...
They are absolutely needed. Both for new players and for more experienced players who are lacking in the motor skills and combo department. By playing a champion like Garen you get to focus simply on the objectives and not on the specific combos and tiny bits of expertise and instead play the actual game. People are seeking different things.
I just don't want to play a champ with a small book that pops up on screen anytime I hover the ability.
I disagree with not reworking Annie, she's just too outdated and doesn't reflect the modern state of mages, she honestly plays more like an assassin jumping in at the right moment and oneshoting someone, I think Lux is more fitting for a beginner mage since her skillshots are pretty big and long range and her ultimate is not that punishing due to its low cd.
Mmm there's a lot of mages that play like assassin's though. Ahri, Syndra are good examples but most mages can play like assassin's. Assassin's are a bit different in that they go in at right timing and jump out or have some form of getting in ability which Annie doesn't have. Zeds shadows, Talons Jump, Akali R and W to name a few.
she has a lot of noob friendly mechanics and she is in between a mage and a battle mage because of her low range.
if you would rework her what would you do? she seems perfectly fine to me
@@naser3000x Her general kit seems nice, but her E does feel quite out of place. I don't know what I would add to it myself, but it begs the question of what is the point of the shield on a burst mage.
@@儀水鏡の妖怪霊 speaking from experience, maybe as a light gap closer (ms) while making engages barely less dangerous. Honestly though, I just use it to either stack the stun passive or if I'm playing support to put it on the adc (jhin works quite well with it, actually)
Mainly just make her Q a skillshot with more reward but still easy to land, maybe letting it pass through targets and having more range, and making her E explode like Ivern but with more damage instead of a slow to synergize with Tibbers or other teammates, and also making Tibbers's ai automatically target whoever champion Annie is attacking instead of manually having to control him if you don't want him to randomly start slapping minions, which is too hard for a new player to comprehend.
I don’t think Vladimir should be on this list. He’s a lot harder to play than his kit seems at first glance.
This; I saw the list and was immensely confused why one of the highest skillcap champs in the game is on the list. Because Q is PnC ? Okay but Vlad's E and R are much more difficult to understand and optimize; if you dont read the tooltips and practice, you wont be playing Vlad well.
The reason a 1s buff on his Q has a major impact on playrate/power is because the cooldown is already extremely low.
Kai'sa E cooldown is no lower than 10, and she doesn't build a ton of CDR. Vlad Q gets as low as 4, and he stacks TONS of CDR, hitting 40%/60-70+ AH very early, bringing the CD down to like 2.4s; compounded by the fact that the ability has a "stack" mechanic, so its more like lowering the CD from 10s (6) to 8s (4.8).
Look at what happened to Kassadin when his R CD was reduced by *HALF* a second.
@@Nazuiko Honestly I feel that Q being point and click is somewhat of a drawback as much as it is a benefit. So many times have people walked into bush for 0.1 second and cancel cast time. So many times has akali gone into shroud and all you can do is E.
Unpopular opinion:
Brainless champ should be given new, still simple, mechanics Instead of buffing their numbers and making them become statsticks
Giving that Riot doesn't give a F about old champs, it gonna be a long time until all of them get a rework/mini rework.
I've been saying the same thing for years. No one listens.
The thing is if a simple champ becomes op then it will be put into pro play because in pro play a lot of the players prefer simpler or comfortable picks go play so kinda hard to balance sometimes.
It wont work, because Riot would just give then dashes and some gimmick to play around.
@@evilerroryt8448 I thought not a long ago... What if Annie i.e. would get work range of 700 instead of 600? Would she become a pro pick/ban champ because of her boosted base damage numbers and VERY reliable CC with damage like Udyr?
The paradox of mechanically branless champions is that most of them require higher skill in other areas. Nasus needs to have perfect wave management and good macro or else he ultrafeeds, and those are a tough learning curve to get over. Tryndamere needs to have a nuanced understanding of split pushing or he's useless mid and late game.
I'd argue that the skill floor on these champions is harder to overcome than many champs who can bring value through mechanical competence alone.
for the brainless kit vlad has he has a pretty steep learning curve, most people feed on him for their first games... i think that the thing with him is that all his statcheckiness comes later in the game compared to most of the other stupid champs
Exactly
On tryndamere too
He is definetly not brainless
@@hanshysher6266 i mained vlad for 3 seasons
@@osiris3676 mained him since season 6
I love brainless champions, I think too many players focus on their champs specific kit when they should be thinking about the team's win conditions and macro. If your spending so much time learning you champion you wont spend alot of time understanding the game. Its cool to be a fed riven 12/1 in lane but if you never show up for baron or spread your lead, what was it for?
My friend is a 520k point garen main. He is 10+ kill every game litelary but he has no macro skills. He just go ugabuga spin
@@tediop1330 lmao i cant wait till he learns about roaming
@@prod.arcsyne2990 i told him. Thats he has no macro. But he just never helps :l
That is why I am an otp Warwick JG main.
@@tediop1330 dude same
It’s the reason I went into top lane
13:19 the vladimir Q cooldown buff was also really huge because lategame with all the haste you get Vlad's q is on a 2.5 second cooldown but thanks to this buff it went to 2 seconds. keeping in mind this is his main damage tool that's a huge change. basically makes him deal 20% more damage.
well, much less than 20% damage, like 5-7%. but damage not the main buff, its healing that matters more.
I think brainless champs sometimes have to have big brain people piloting them for them to really shine. Seeing as they are so linear, they sometimes have to go above and beyond masking what they want or need to do so they can bait people into a trap. That or have a bunch of build diversity.
Well, they are necessary. Not everyone has the time to learn how to play effectively a high skill champion like Akali, so it is fine that those noob friendly champions like Garen, Talon, Malzahar, etc exist. It gives a wellcome to the game for the begginers
Also, I added Talon here (even tho his difficulty is 2/3 according to League client) he is easily the most brainless assassin in the game, his four abilities are very straight forward, and his identity is set as a Slayer who likes to roam around the map. Talon is begginer friendly, and we can say he teaches the newcomers how to roam effectively (said by a Talon Main)
EDIT: I should've clarify: he is the easiest and straight forward of the midlane assassins
seems kind of biased coming from a talon main, i would say something similar about rengar because i main rengar too and used him to climb to plat.
i think all assassin champs other than master yi shouldn't be considered brainless because they are very punishing if you mess up and force you learn a lot about the game and the champ to be able to play them somewhat fine. (i suck at playing talon)
compared to "brainless champs" you dont even need to read your ability to understand what they mostly do and can be used by a guy playing for the first time
My first main was Talon and he really does teach a lot about roaming and map awareness
3 months later I switched to Camille and learned her mechanics and game mechanics at the same time. Learned to flank, splitpush, engage, TP bot, locking down high priority targets, and win lane.
League diffeculty grade is bullshit. They say things like master yi being harder than kindred.😂
They need to be less effective though
>noob friendly
>talon
I don't think any assassin is noob friendly. Too much room for error.
This is almost like telling someone to play Azir instead of Ahri as their first midlaner.
For every Aphelios, there has to be a Sett.
But seriously though. One thing that made old school League so appealing way back when was the fact that all of the champions were so basic. Each champion was easy to pick up and use, and their kits were so simple it came down to the players to be creative with them. Old school League was exhilarating not because the champions were 200 years, but because the players were. So yeah, not only should we keep the brainless champs, but hell, I'd argue Riot needs to dial it back moving forward. Creativity and fluidity should be the exception, not the norm.
Giving nearly every champ a turn speed like in dota would be hilarious for the reactions alone.
They're essential and healthy for the game until you get wrecked by them in lane then they're bullshit unhealthy design failures and are 100% nothing but a mistake
Then we have to go and complain on reddit because a guy playing a brain dead champion destroyed us who are playing "Hard Champions".
Like, why is that even allowed to happen? We should just win automatically!
Were playing a champion that's _HARD TO PLAY_ and _REWARDS YOU FOR MASTERING THE CHAMPION_ right? So I should definately automatically win without trying right?
if you get stomped by a braindead champion that mean u made a mistake cause of their braindead design they can't do other thing than hope u made a mistake to capitalize on on the other side if u made a mistake the champion is really good a punishing them like a garen urgot or vlad
@@olsenfernandes3634 REEE DARIUS KILLED ME AT LVL1 BRAINDEAD CHAMP UNBALANCED I LET HIM AA ME 5 TIMES WITH HIS 0.6 ATTACK SPEED HOW IS THAT FAIR FUCKING SHIT COMPANY SHIT GAME
@@Tarik. It is a bit unfair that champions like Darius and Urgot have such strong lvl 1s that they can zone you off farming the first wave if you have no ranged abilities to deter them from standing between your melees and casters.
@@Dingdong2730 But isnt that part if their gimmick, they make early levels hell for you and force you to play it safety, you may be behind 12~ cs but its much better than giving em 400g advantage. Plus an experienced player will know how to get the most from a trade even when the majority of the time its in their favor.
I think easy champs are essential, I've introduced a few new people to the game and the simple champs made it easier to teach them. I learned the game on Twitch and Senna so it took me a bit extra time to understand how to play, but once I got into Leona, it was a lot less to worry about all at once. She has a consistent combo and a consistent goal of engaging and locking down then taking damage and not dying.
You're not gonna get any new players of the easiest champion ends up being something like Syndra
sea bottom segue hitting like 😩👌
Soraka main here, She not as brainless as people think she is. There is more the hitting your R and W at the right times. You have to manage everything with her from her mana to her health. Miss managing anything that leads to a lost team fight. I sick of top mains crying when we don't use our R for their solo death. Yeah you died, but that is one less tool for me to use in the gank that our team is doing or repelling. If it was a gank that our jungle was wanting you to bait that is another story. I will blow my R for that. Not a 1v1. Jungles don't think you off the hook. I'm not going to blow my R just because you invaded enemy's red or blue without setting up deep wards.
i think the point here is that soraka's kit is just simple in nature. her q is a poke tool, w a heal, e light cc and her r another heal. tbh i hate the term brainless no champ is brainless everyone of them takes some skill to play well but there diffidently are more simple champs. also good on you for being a soraka main i could never get a hang of her lol lulu and sona are more go to enchantresses
@@tonguepop9453 Honestly i don't think Brainless was the right word the content creator should have sued here as brainless has too many negative connotations to it. Though he does say Darius is not on the list of Brainless champions while Garen is despite Darius being simple in nature. A word he could have used to describe the champions in the same light but less negative is beginner friendly however Soraka is not and just picking a Enchanter as a starting point of learning Enchanters is not a good idea since they are mostly diverse in of themselves with them excelling in one area or another
Example: Soraka excels at Healing and Janna excels as Shielding while Lulu excels at buffing allies in general and Sona excels at being Thicc while applying AOE buff's to allies and Nami teedering at being borderline mage excelling at being poke heavy to the enemies more so than Soraka with really good ap ratios
And thats just a small example and basic description on why Soraka is not a good starting point for Enchanters as honestly there is none its just like Specialists too diverse to pick a starting point however unlike Specialists Enchanters actually have 1 thing in common they grant beneficial buffs to allies ranging from healing, shielding, to augmentation of stats themselves however a champion needs in combination of all those factors of at least two to be considered a Enchanter while again Specialists only have the fact that you can not classify them easily in common. Probably sounding like a broken record at this point but again Enchanters have no gateway champion even Yuumi is vastly different in what she does than the other ones
But you can't really expect people to actually go in depth about the classes otherwise they will find that Enchanters are actually harder than Tank and Engage supports
@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena Janna I'd more poke then shield but I just don't think soraka is a good starting enchantress and was a poor example, sona would have been good here as she gets you use to knowing when to heal, how to engage as a support, when to disengage, etc. Without being incredibly difficult.
@@tonguepop9453 to be fair Janna is one of the ones that gives a shield and a big shield as well plus she is mostly known for shielding and can shield towers.
So you are telling me master yi ain't a brainless champion. The q guy. Ok
TRUE
Great Yi's use Q and W to not get bursted down and dodge CC and follow enemies through their dashes and Flashes.
For me yi isn t skillfull but needs a thinking brain or you will fed in no time
He did say it’s not a full list
@@cicchio5128 bruh I can give my nephew who's 2 years old to play master yi.
I think it is essential to have these champs for beginners as well as for people who enjoy straightforward gameplay. There are all types of video gamers that each like a style, and understandable and straightforward does it for some. I think if anything, some of the champs simply need a visual update rather than a rework, and the visuals will make them more pleasing to the audience who enjoys them
As a jax tryndamere and vladimir player i feel personally attac..
No i dont i dont like having to practice my champs for 200 years to get a 50% winrate
I would encourage you to try picking up a high skill ceiling champion and actively try to get better with them for atleast a little while (encourage, not demand, you shouldn’t if you don’t want ofc). I decided i would learn lee sin when s11 started, and honestly nothing in league has been as satisfying as when he ”clicked” for me and i started being able to pull off insecs and ward-jump combos regularly, it didn’t even take that long either, maybe a few days or so. can understand playing simple champions, heck Mordekaiser, Sett and Darius are three of my favourite champions, but going outside your comfort zone here and there can be really rewarding sometimes!
@@throg4657 pretty coincidental you comment this because two days ago or so i started playing lee sin top in normals for fun
Im still horrible but the times i manage to combo correctly and get the kill is indeed very satisfying
@@throg4657 i agree with u , i started playing akali the last week , even tho i m potato rank , after 10h of gameplay and training i always get a good kda x then i realize my bot is 5 12 6 and 4 12 4 with samira and seraphine and i lose
@@ottoback5375 yeah im so happy lee is viable as a laner the champ is so fun but having to play jungle to get value out of him was kinda annoying
@@mistywww3199 i still prefer to play him as a jungler personaly, but then again i haven’t played him in lane much.
Great video as always, but i have to disagree at the statement at 13:42.
The excample u took is like comparing apples with bananas. If you dont change the main thing of their kits the impact changes have are marginal. For Vladimir his Q is THE thing since he spams it on cd, while the Kaisa one is whatever.
If i wanted to rly nerf Kaisa there are multiple single things u can tackle. For example make her ult have a minimum range so she can only use it to go in. Which would be more interesting than nerfing her Q dmg. I bet both of these thing would impact her performance significantly.
well- easy to play doesn't mean easy to win with. (keep that in mind) I would argue that some seeming simplistic champions make even more use out of certain concepts. Like a twisted fate vs Syndra matchup where both players (including the tf here) has to understand how to tether in and out of range play around key cooldowns-(trying to abuse syndras mana costs) and also play around wave clear advantages - when to last hit a minion - punishing mistakes calling a bluff when tf walks up with gold card if syndra thinks the jungler isn't nearby (as some champions with point-click abilities can also make use of input buffering- thus extending the threat range where normally syndra would have the range advantage) and champions like Vladimir or yi has to be patient with when they choose to dive into the enemy team- they can easily die if the get stunned -silenced etc. (yes they have the ability to go untargetable but that's exactly the reason why can dive) Because unlike (say zed) (I'm using vlad as an example here) your engage range is short and you don't move in and out of a fight quick enough to punish a single miss positioned target. Instead, a vlad player will look to dive into multiple targets and deal as much damage as possible while trying to avoid cc- the vlad will most likely start the combo off with R and that is when he's vulnerable. If he doesn't do enough- he would have wasted his flash for the engage and his opportunities to make a play again becomes significantly smaller. (the key difference being windows of opportunity when comparing vlad to Zed) I'm strictly talking about the champion's design and the philosophies they follow. I would argue that a champion like vlad - making a mistake is easier but your rewards are much greater. Therefore - i wouldn't say he's mechanically harder to play at all- but there's a skill you learn when playing both of these champions- seeing windows of opportunity to punish a player or team's mistakes and how often you get to do so. I just think that in certain levels of play - certain playstyles don't get enough respect or recognition.
I wrote a whole essay here but I Iove your vids and I think anybody who plays the game talks about it.
You call that an essay? please thats a long paragraph if any. I do agree with your points however i would like to add that Soraka is actually seemingly simplistic but people are usually playing her wrong as you are supposed to land Q before using W since it gives you more out of the healing and options to reposition. Sure she is simple but people do not give her much credit at all and just call her brainless
they are definitely needed. especially for harder roles, the amount of people ive had try out jungle with someone like kindred is ridiculous. but i think the problem with them is how do you make a simple champ relevant in all aspects of the game without making them overpowered?
By giving them some qualities that build towards skill expression without throwing in mechanics, a prime example of this being Poppy: she has a very streamlined kit with no remarkable combo potential whatsoever, however since her E is conditional, her ult is a playmaking skillshot and her W is partially a "parry", Poppy still has a degree of skill, most specifically, knowledge expression and decision making. Besides, people who complain about Nasus forget how railroaded (and thus predictable, hence counterable) his playstyle is, they're simply too much of a bunch of morons to figure out that rather than practicing SiCk KoMbOs on Riven, Irelia or whatever infinite dashes button spamming abomination they like to play they'd rather need to learn how to freeze a lane, because the skill in this game is all about having a good macro, not mashing buttons.
@@tehrik0020 I get what your saying but I meant more as the game progressess and the champs get more and more ridiculous it's hard to keep simplistic champs interesting, balanced, and competitive when compared to champs like samira or Viego. Look at Mundo for example his kit is still relevantly the same but they had to add SO MUCH stuff to it for him to be relavent in a game where everyone has 6 dashes.
@@tonguepop9453 simple answer you don't and Mundo actually sucks in fact he is actually weaker than before the rework as riot likes to make reworks underpowered at start and they just suck at reworking simple champions
@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena I mean I'd completely disagree lol as long as you can hit skillshots new Mundo is hella oppressive. They just made him into a laner rather then a laner/jungle
@@tonguepop9453 ok 1 who the fuck played old mundo jungle? and 2 you forget that the majority of league players can not hit skill shots plus it is pretty easy to dodge and early gw fucks him over in lane
I really like Garen. The utter lack of mechanics makes it a perfect champ to just get in the flow. No need to preplan 10 moves ahead, just splitpush and spin. And after few minutes of that you just vibe. It's almost meditative state, very relaxing and god damn league players sure can use something to relax to
I started playing league like yesterday and I got to say that it is satisfying to just Q everything and still be useful. League has *a lot* of things to keep track of and it is overwhelming, so having to not think about how to play your champion was a big plus. I feel that because it was so easy it got me hooked to want to put the time and effort into developing a play style, learning the specifics of the champions, etc. etc.
I once sarcastically said: I respect the skill in yuumi as garen
they said: YOU ARE GAREN LOL
I said: I can die
Them: IRL hopefully
So that was fun
Don't even try to engage in conversation with Yuumi. It's like talking to a real life cat. At best you are talking to yourself. At worst you incite their rage and they launch into a scratching frenzy.
not a vlad main or player, but how is vlad brainless? He is a high intensity champ to play, he can demolish entire teams by himself if played correctly even if he doesnt have any skillshot he's not hard but definitely not brainless either.
Same as tryndamere and Jax
@@brainsmasher3903 true nice example
Someone earlier today who was a 16/2 sett attempted to convince my team that he wasn’t a brainless champ because he had skill shots
Welll.... he's not wrong xD
His E takes positional skill and has a few weird quirks like aiming it slightly to the side to get a tiny bit more range. His ult is hard to use to absolute maximum effect. His autos are different than every other champion in the game so his q auto resets he makes a choice on. His w is knowing how long you should hold it and who you need to hit the true damage one.
New sett players are always decent at the champ because he has a pretty simple kit but there's plenty to optimize efficiency on him, and he has enough skill expression to be mastered.
@@darkship585 cringe champ doe
@@hanckk2546 compared to who?
Sett is not a brainless champion though. There is a big difference between a good and a great Sett player whereas there are hardly any difference between good and meh Garen/Nasus players
garen was OP af because of stride breaker. The one weakness he(and juggernauts in general) was supposed to have was completely counteracted by an item so there was literally no counter play to him. if he wants to engage there's basically nothing you can do to stop or avoid it. Thank god riot was smart enough to remove the dash from it.
Nope removing the dash made the item very weak, it was the only mythic to build when ur against à team of full range champ, bet ur an adc main
As someone in low elo, I love these bastards (unless they're on the enemy team)
Seeing Vladimir here and not teemo irritated the fuck outta me
Believe it or not, teemo is not a braindead champion
Teemo is hard i suck at him
You have to see this on the game design side, you need a base line to be able to compare. Most of the brainless champions here are indeed the core baseline of what their class is supposed to do, to teach the ropes to the new players.
that "small" buff to vlads q wasn't small. Its a short cooldown ability that makes his sustain in lane and damage late game a lot better because he can get off multiple empowered qs, comparing it to kai'sa e doesn't make any sense because that's a longer cooldown ability that isn't apart of her core dmg.
They nerfed kai'sa's q's cooldown 2 times this season and she's still ok . Small compared to other balancements i guess
That's exactly what he is saying.
Riot thought it would be a "small change" and it turned out to be not.
Also I wouldn't say Kaisa's E is not comparable to Vlad's Q
Vlad doesn't oneshot you with his Q, but deals dmg and heals him, which is what he needs
Kaisa's E doesn't oneshot you, but it gives her attack speed, movement speed (can dodge skillshots with it) and later an invisibility, but she has so many other things, that noone would notice
Empowered Q should be removed.
The thing is that I prefer if brainless champions could be reworked into half a brain champions. Of course, warwick runs at you, presses q and ults you melee, but he also can use e and lauch ult from distance to neutralize a target and fear the rest of the team. Sett can pull you in, bonk you and ult to keep bonking, but he can also use q to get near the frontlane and ult into the team to use e and stun as much people as posible. Champions with low skill floor but high sky cealing are great, because you pick them up as you start in the game and as you improve as a player so does your champ because now you can think of new ways to use the same tools.
having vlad and not malz is crazy
The argument "brainless champion" comes usually as an excuse from the noobs playing difficult champions, chasing all the time for useless fights and ending 0/18.
Being fair some champions are just very hard to deal with when they get even slightly ahead.
Master Yi for example.
@@ZED_117 anyone with a untargetable ability plus anivia is rlly hard to deal with
Really? Master yi is one of the shittiest champions if it hasn't got any early game lead.
@@IronMan-mj1kx yeah he is a 100 or 0, either he gets a lead early and becomes a unkillable monster, or he doesn't and becomes an annoying super minion. That still doesn't change the fact that a Yi who got ahead is an ass to deal with.
@@ZED_117 Downside to Yi is that your jungle pathing has to be top of the line on point. Especially if you want to influence lanes.(And 1 stun can literally shut him down)
Definition of brainless: only does one thing, is a stat check, useless when behind.
That is the literal definition of every single ADC...
Sorry guys, but Rift Herald Dog is too much fun for me to play anything else.
It’s so funny to see Tryndamere on the rework list. I honestly don’t want him to be reworked because I worry about the classic “the champion you love is gone” type of rework for him. But at the same time I fully acknowledge just how badly he needs one.
It’s fun and all but when tanks start doing a 1000+ true damage I get a little annoyed. Seriously have a grudge against Olaf, I’m a tank support main and he’s immune to cc, so I can’t peel him and I can’t just try to get him to attack me either because he’ll chunk my health, especially when he is ahead. Which presents the problem of how do a deal with a cc immune, true damage dealing tank from killing my adc? I just have to hit exhaust and pray my adc can out play a little because there are not a lot of adcs that can stat check him. Like with nasus at least I can stun him, knock him backwards, root, slow, charm, transform etc etc to keep him off of my adc. But Olaf just moves forward and there is very little counter play besides having better stats. Which I don’t like because if you have one lane that’s having a rough game he can just farm gold from them and get the stats necessary to just steam roll the other lanes. I just think since adcs have a natural weakness to melee champions that maybe they or their supporters would have so kind of counter play, but all I can think of is playing lulu and dumping all of my abilities on my adc to boost their stats as high as possible while using exhaust on the enemy stat checker so they have a chance of winning the stat check. But as a tank main, I normally don’t play lulu, how is an Alistar or Leona suppose to keep him from just walking up to my adc and killing them. You need such good vision control in order to have an noticeable impact on that matchup and you and your adc needs to keep an eye on that vision. And when playing from behind in the mid-late game sometimes makes it kind of an int to face check so much jungle, even as a tank support.
With other stat checkers like nasus or garen I can cc like I’m supposed to and it makes it more of a team game again where I feel like I can help out in a fight. But a cc immune, true damage dealing tanky fighter is just to much to deal with if they get ahead but at the same Time, playing jungle is a nightmare, I have been autofilled jungler a couple of times and those games are always brutal because when you’re a support main get auto fill in the jungle, you know that’s going to be a hard game and having a champ where I can theoretically just stat check is kinda nice.
Yup. I play both engage and enchanters and the only ones who can stop an Olaf are Lulu and Janna. When he goes CC immune I don't even think either of them can stop him.
I don't feel helpless against Olaf at all. As a thresh main I can just Q him and if he's smart enought to go into me, then I'll lantern and flash away, if not I can still fly to him :3
And um.... I learnt a lot of other lanes past few months and I feel comfortable being autofilled anywhere now. But still, support is my home ;)
@@TheAzorg I also play Thresh but haven't played into an Olaf yet. Does your Q still land when he goes CC immune? Because that's the only problem I have, otherwise he can be CC'd by many other supports.
@@sharp_iodine2737 it have you ever landed Q onto blackshielded enemy? Basically the same effect. It's cool to fly over huge distances to them :3
And when he activates R after being hit by Q, it disappears
@@TheAzorg I have tried it on spellshielded Sivir but the hook disconnects very quickly, can you press it within that short time to fly to them?
Did not see that SAO abridged reference coming, nice one vars
Essential yes if the things you learn on them are transferrable to other champions in their class or role
Example: Ashe, imo she's the best marksman to learn adc on. You'll learn that you are squishy, that distance is your advantage, tanks are your best friends, that you get better with items and to keep the edgy Talon away from you at all costs. If you then wish to go further and improve with her she has a macro tool and a teamfighting ultimate, if she bored you to tears you can pick up any other marksmen and all the stuff you learned on Ashe applies to them (even Samira)
For mages: Annie and Neeko
For fighters: Pantheon and Vi
For tanks: Sejuani and Amumu
For supports: Leona and Soraka/Sona
For assassins: None in LoL I learnt the assassin playstyle in Smite through Bastet (in summary she's an ultbot) and that experience was transferrable across games (she still needs a rework though)
If a "brainless" champ leaves you having to start from square one on another champ in their class or role then they're a failure and need to be looked at (Udyr, Tryndamere, Garen...my bias is showing isn't it, also curious that these three have a tendency to have unhealthy levels of bloated stats I know the reason why but hmm)
Some champions require absolutely fucking nothing to be effective and imo that’s a good bracket to decide if they’re brainless. Most obvious ones are Yuumi, Garen, Nasus and Master Yi. And Talon for example is a great contender for a brainless assassin compared to Qiyana or Zed.
@@klausgoldfisch3231 let's put it this way, as a newer player after playing either annie or neeko for a few games then you pick up let's say Zyra I'm pretty sure that outside of Zyra's plant shenanigans you can pilot her comfortably based of off your experience on the prior mage you played
I like to look at simple champs as the class specific tutorial imparting the necessary knowledge, positioning, damage output expectation that applies to most others in their class
@@ldalexandrite Talon teaches you bad laning habits resulting in talon players crashing face first if they were to try out Qiyana,Zed, Ekko, Akali you know the suspects. On top of that his assassination execution is "too easy" to the point where you'll feel every other option is too unreliable or "does no damage" in the iron sense. Might just be me I love every assassin except him specifically. Basically I'm saying there is no good entry level assassin in LoL, the closest is Kha'zix
Braindead champs have a place as long as they're not Duskblade Yi, good grief. IMO Yuumi is ok as long as the player actually wants to help people and not sit on a fed teammates back all game which is unfortunately super rare but I've faced one or two of that type very selfless, active and quite chipper they'll block anything for you even a Lux ult xD
@@Hellothere-ss4jq zed is a good first assassin champ he's a jack of all trade assassin, have a lots of skill ceiling and expression but his basic combo are pretty simple to pick up
Hello there There is no lie. I agree with everything you just said. And yeah, easy champions should and must exist, telling otherwise is pretty elitist imo, as long as cheesy and unhealty gameplay isn’t present like Duskblade Yi or afk farming Nasus.
I love you for including the SAO abridged refence.
Low skill needed champs should defenetly exist but Riot shouldn't buff them in higher elos. These champs are clearly for starters not for pros.
*Me looks at pros who don't play Yoric Top* : _SUUURE_
master yi is perfect example
@@KUDERS65530 Master Yi mains: *Carefully piolets the Early and Mid game so they could be strong late game, Engages at the perfect moment when supports just wiff their CC, Presses Q and W at the perfect time to dodge life threatening Abilities*
Other Players: Look at brain dead champion just runs in and kills our whole team!!!
Fiora mains: *Pokes with her Q and runs away dealing percent HP damage with more speed and health, Blocks Life threatening abilities with W, Runs and attacks you with high MS ult that also heals her during and after the enemy dies, Split pushes most of the game*
Also other Players: Oh my god, look at her outplay those noobs! She's a God!!!
@@olsenfernandes3634 It's more like "WHY THE FUCK THIS CHAMP HAS THAT MANY HEALING" or .. while fighting 3+ people "DIE ALREADY YOU FRENCH SWORDWOMAN"
I know she need timings but basically that's it Riot should nerf her healing and she should be fine.
Every champ should have the chance if you're skilled enough to get you to challenger, no exception
Idea for how to make Jax's empower more interesting but not super complicated: make it incerease his vision. This means he can see ganks and enemies from further away. Either that, or incerease his leap range while Empowered.
That makes a lot of sense, good suggestion
Nasus mains be like:
*UNLIMITED BONK WORKS*
You can out muscle any situation if you are strong enough
Im glad you gave me and the other 2 shiek mains a shoutout!
*See SAO Abridged*
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
gotta love the SAO abridged reference
i miss old taric where he was easy to play, i wrecked so many players with him
And he isnt easy now?
@@men-zh2jo You dont have a point n click stun anymore
@@lolmanboss Thank god for that
@@men-zh2jo he was still underplayed though.
The funny thing is that because macro is really hard and important, the "brainless" champions are harder than the "true skill-champs" (most of the time). If you look at the change between a champion's overall winrate and their winrate if we only count games with 50+ prior games played on the champion, then the top of the list is mostly "brainless" or "easy" champions.
The specific champions change every patch because their winrates are really susceptible to meta changes (when the one thing you do is worse this patch or your counterpicks get more popular you just lose more, you don't have 1000 other tools to win) but the overall trend is true
"Surely we've all played at least one of the beginner easy champs"
Me, who literally learned on Evelynn just bc i love her, and then went on to Kindred and Aphelios bc "oh they look cool": o-o
In my opinion they are needed even if they are outdated compared to newer champions. They are needed for new players to have something easy to play while trying to understand the game as you said but for those casuals who play randomly a match or two, I have a friend who doesn't really like mobas but likes playing with me and other friends and he often plays Nasus and Annie because they are easy to understand, I really don't see him playing something like Kai sa or Irelia.
As a Tryndamere main, i think that slowing enemy with W and then pressing E on them and then autoattacking them to death requires alot of macro and mechanics
As a new league player i am thankful for Sett's existence because he allowed me to do stuff even if i didn't play mobas before. He definetly isn't as brainless as other champions but he is not on the hard side either.
Idk how much Jax counts, he's got alot more depth than Mr spin to win and Mr rice farm
he can ward hop, that's about it.
@@eVill420 but to win a trade against most champs he has to outplay with e and kite properly, and he actually has a high skill ceiling because his gameplay is actually variant, compared to garen where if you know what all of your buttons do you know how to play the champ just as much as highj elo garens, i really cant agree with calling jax a brainless champion because of that
I hope they never chenge Blitzcrank, yes he only does 1 thing, this entire move pool is around his Q, but here's the thing about blitz, he is a simple champion with an AMAZING skill ceiling, because he is really hit or miss, you either grab someone, or you don't, so it makes playing blitz well really hard but super rewarding if you do it well.
Landing hooks with blitz, if the other team is good, is extremelly hard because if the other team knows what they are doing they WON'T let you hook them so easily
Honestly I think they should make his hook range either a smaller or his hook slower, cus in the early game that is almost impossible to dodge. Same goes for Morgana's Q, that thing, it's too thiccc and goes too far.
@@ZED_117 morgana Q is small and blitzcrank you are either far enough away to sidestep it (which isnt that far) or you have to have something in between you; I think his extended Q range (they once buffed it by 100 units or so) is fine
@@ZED_117 Just stay behind a minion, is not hard
@@9-VoltGaming not untill the blitz moves and you have to choose between retreating and losing farm and exp or staying in a position where the enemy ADC can shoot at you.
@@minutenreis on the early game you have to be on the very edge of the Q range to be able to dodge it, and as for the having something in between you part, most blitz move to stay in front of the minions because they know that by doing so you can't get close and will lose farm and exp as a result, because if you get close he pulls you. Your only hope is to get a gank and we all know how unreliable they are.
Also how the hell is Morgana's Q small?
Ever since the recent divine sunderer buff me and my friends have hated fighting nasus because every. Single. Fucking. game would be a loss if we didn't permanently zone him off of farm, even under tower, then he would get 2 mop up kills and be unstoppable to the point me a mid lane main that usually bans sylas, yone, that stuff, would ban him if he wasn't
And as a mage main, playing annie gave me absolutely nothing, I learned more as inting first time fiddle mid, but I'm biased because I hate every burst mage except veigar
the divine sunderer buff made me perma ban yorick
@@Nielsper Ezreal is also very fucking bad to deal with. 1 Q, not even with W, and half of the mages health is gone
That's one of the distinguishing factors for a good Nasus tho. Having excellent macro to live through the lane, while stacking up the passive as much as possible. IF you don't contest him on macro level he is inevitable.
@@sighman9209 the problem is we cant contest him so it's not an if it's an ff 15
@@katgut The answer is wave management. Freeze if you can so he has to overextend and then it's easy gank and easy money. Or build up a huge wave and dive him. Nothing he can really do pre6, without help from jg, which he certainly won't get because of the srigma around Nasus.
Love the simple champions. They are a nice break from more complicated ones. Game needs variety in its intensity of play.
As someone who mains mages, particularly ahri and syndra I cannot disagree more with your statement on Annie helping people learn other mages like those 2, quite the contrary, Annie teaches you that pushing nonstop and farming with your abilities is OK, you try to farm the first 3 waves with abilities with ahri or syndra and you can say goodbye to all your mana and will probably die to a gank because now you are at the enemy tower with no mana... I think a better comparison would be malzahar, Annie does have a similar playstayle to him
The bgm feels so nostalgic, but I can't recall from which game it is(maybe sonic), nice video as always!
Based on title: YES, I want my free LP
Great video and all plus good taste in music(sonic) 10/10 content
I just wanna say that reading that list, feels like every champ belongs there except for Vlad. Idk I might be biased but there is so much skill expression on Vlad I just don't think he feels right to have here. Just watch Elite500, no challenger OTP on Nasus or Malphite or Udyr (champs who really are braindead) could really make any outplays, or most definitely not on the magnitude he does.
Edit: Rewatched, just gotta say that regardless of my opinion on Vlad, Darius 100% belongs here. To take Vlad as an example, he has outplay potential on a baseline level with his pool and quick combos. Darius has outplay potential literally only by flashing his Q in. For crying out loud, the champ can literally only play the laning phase one way and use every single ability in the same order every single time he goes for a trade. This video just feels very biased to me after thinking this through.
Vlad can be surprisingly difficult. But he probably lands on the list because his W makes him nearly invulnerable for a few seconds and his Q can easily heal about 1k hp per cast late game (while having about 2 sec CD).
@@remito7839 I play Vlad. Don't forget his Q is also a literal point and click nuke
@@remito7839 @Remito Yeah but does being a hypercarry omega late game battle mage automatically make a champ braindead? Because if that is the case Cassiopeia is braindead and pisseasy. Or is it because his mechanics don't come in landing skillshots and instead come in extremely quick and hard to perform combos? If that is the case, Ryze can go on this list and while Riven might not be a battlemage, she should also be considered easy and braindead. Sure, you might say a champ that has mobility automatically has skill expression, outplay potential and a multitude of ways to approach situations, but I don't think that it is fair to say that having a really, *really* low range kit with 0 mobility is "braindead". You're still going to have to find the flanks or not play the game for 5 minutes every time you make a play and finding a flank means you have to use your brain no? To recognize front to back is not the forte of your champ and find a workaround for that? I like Vars, a lot, I think he makes very high quality content but I feel this video missed the mark on a multitude of levels.
Also to specifically reply to this: "and his Q can easily heal about 1k hp per cast late game" Not quite. Crimson Rush Q can very easily heal for 1K+, especially when on low HP and even more likely with Spirit Visage. Crimson Rush is on a 5-7 second cooldown for the part of the game where Vlad is strong. Think that puts it more honest and fair. He can still heal 400-600 (depending on items and Visage, which is kinda shitty to buy on mages nowadays due to lackluster AP in mage legendaries) but consider how easy and reliable it is to reduce that by 40-60% and it doesn't look all that daunting. He still deals crazy damage lategame which is why it feels so annoying to play against him, because you want MR so he doesn't oneshot you, damage so you can have a shot at oneshotting him and healing reduction to salvage the game in case he doesn't die to the oneshot. Nevertheless, for reasons I explained and more, I don't think he belongs on this list and I think Vars made a mistake (probably due to personal bias as Vlad is notoriously good on top against certain melee champs especially with jungle assistance) including him on this video. It happens, it just feels wrong.
@@tylerg8314 I play Vlad too. Doesn't make a champ braindead that they have a single target, targeted nuke. Don't think you can argue that Camille for example is a braindead champion, even though she has a higher damage autoattack reset, movement speed giving point and click nuke. Having spells of this nature doesn't make champs braindead, or overpowered. Or take a look at Anivia and Syndra. Granted, Syndra's is an ultimate ability, but they both also have point and click nukes and there's no argument for any of them being braindead.
@@patrikhigl1032 Cassiopea and Ryze are easy, until you realise to really play them well you need Starcraft 2 levels of APM, on top of perfectly precise positioning xD
I agree with you on Vars missing the point on the subject of this video being a huge macromechanical skill floor on majority of the champions he listed.
That Sword Art Online Abridge line Hit so unexpectedly. XD
I guess time to give it ANOTHER rewatch after this.
Never forget the hidden brainless champ that nobody talks about: Press Q on champ under turret, press W, press E on dagger, press R, press E on dagger, escape with double kill bot
that shogath walking a perfectly timed with the music at 11:03
I wouldn't say Ashe is brainless as she is forced to get into close range to actually deal damage, and despite her high auto range, it's still not high enough to be out of instakill range of most tank/bruisers/assassins. Positioning and kiting is incredibly important. Unless you are playing poke imperial mandate Ashe, in which case just alter your Master Yi Q spam macro to press W instead.
Ashe's damage being Backloaded doesn't mean she isn't brainless just slow everyone and keep hitting, longer time, higher damage
@@arielmatiauda5110 By that logic Kalista is brainless, just keep hopping and hitting longer for more damage before rending. I wouldn't say she is back loaded, yes she has to stack Q but you can start a fight with it ready and it's not like she has an execute or missing hp damage. It's just sustained damage. I'd say MF is more brainless than Ashe, you just press R. Can argue Aphelios is brainless as you kinda just press Q and W and pray you make a cool play as there is no way you know what his guns actually do.
@@dawidlol1337 Bad faith comparison. Kalista has other mechanics in her kit which make her very difficult; mechanics which Ashe doesn't have
@@dawidlol1337 Kallista requires having Mastered Kiting in order to be played at the bare minimum has a lower attack range than most adc and needs coordination with his Soul bound to actually damage, Ashe needs none of that in order to outperform other adc's as her passive adds damage to each attack after the first has a long range stun and a 50% slow that almost can't be missed
@@1kozar At the core, they are both marksmen that heavily rely on kiting and staying in auto range to deal their damage.
Is it weird that even after I finally uninstalled League (with the intent to come back eventually) I still consistently watch content by Vars, Exil, and Whyguy? I dunno, something about informational content and the Lord of Whydra's content is just exceptionally entertaining.
Yeah u are right some classes just aint compatible for example assasin and support
Wait...
Pyke's fun
@@carbonbeaker409 as a otp pyke i can agree
@@red_freeman9499 i'm a rakan main, so ye
Never thought I would see an SAO Abridge Clip in Vars' vid
WHERE IS SETT ? He is also 1 dimentional, better add him if you are reluctant in adding Moredekaiser
All Sett Abilities except Q can be failed and has to be aimed, require timing, he isn't brainless as you can only play aggressive but can't escape fights only start them, he's easy tho but not as brainless as Garen or Mundo
@@arielmatiauda5110 he is so brainless just his true damage punch that give him shield and his regen make no sense this thing is maybe not brainless just really dumb
@@6ber721 i think he's simple, but not completely brainless as any moment you can fail an ability and not kill your target
@@arielmatiauda5110 that's what i said at the end not brainless but really dumb
@@arielmatiauda5110 omfg sett has soo much damage and sustains there is no way you can lose to that
I think that "brainless" champs must meet a revork, even if it is not big. Personally, I think that heroes with higher skill sealing is better for new players, because they can master their main and not have to learn again on new character just to compete on higher level. Nautilus, Ahri, Nunu, Jinx are great, because they are effective everywhere, while Garen or Yi are just stuck at low elo without chance
Are they brainless though? I mean Riven is suppoused to be "skill expressive" yet she is giga broken and easy to win with on the other hand Nasus has to have impecable macro and farm or else he is useless in the current meta.
Yep pretty sure that’s what he’s gonna go about in this video. People like Jax, Nasus and yi need good macro to get to their broken state.
To play riven is to auto cancel if you can't learn it move on
@@stevekargbo5539 The mechanic that literally every other champion does... got you
I assume it’ll be addressed in the video but if I had to guess “brainless” probably means high levels of predictability aka that champion has basically 1 way of playing the game (not counting cheese builds)
Riven is super strong bc of his item and you still need to be really good to make plays and just control her plus you still need macro to not just be a '' wanna 1v1 '' guy
I would argue that soraka does not belong to that list. While her skills are very simple and hard to miss, her high healing output makes her a priority target in team fights. And with her having little range and being so glassy, she requires very good positioning to be decent.
she kind of feel like a reverse adc (canceling damage taken instead of dishing it), but with the difference she does not have a support peeling for her and trying to keep her alive(and she can't even heal herself with her spammable heal)
Master yi is the most brain dead champion. You can't change my mind.
Yi has some mechanics to his w. Its an ato attack reset did you know that? Doing stuff like diving then pressing w to survive the tower shot also takes a lot more brains than something like garen or amumu imo.
Feels good to watch this video as a cho'gath/trundle 2-trick, love making people rage
Tbh, I'd have put Jinx up for brainless ADCs. I love her, but once you get items the game is pretty much just about positioning properly and clicking on the right thing.
Kindred: "We've got him now, Cho just walked right past this bush and now, while his back is turned... Oh crap, the arrows, they do nothing!"
I think brainless champions are essential, but they should NEVER EVER be stronger than someone who is playing a hard champion and has mastered her. A noob garen should never win against a MR7 fiora.
then there is the scenario where even if you are a better player, old champs get shit on because they are not overloaded/have some broken mechanic.
@@ags8507 but thats the thing tho, brainless champs have no skill cap. You cant be a good or bad garen. You are just a garen. And the only way you can win fights is by outplaying people with stats. I think its stupid and it should never trump another players skill.
@@kereal2591 there is a huge difference between good and bad players, knowing your limits, its like saying a good and a bad twisted fate are the same, quite flawed logic there.
@@ags8507 Thats because twisted fate has a skill cap. You have to time your ultimate, be good at skillshots with q, know what card to pick for the right situation etc. With garen u can rub your dog against the keyboard and you will probably win.
@@kereal2591 learning kill potential and when to use W makes a huge difference, but im done wasting time here
Vlad definitely isn’t brainless. He is one of the hardest champions in the entire game to learn. Ask any high elo player if they view vlad as ‘easy’ and they would tell you he takes a lot of effort to learn.
Probably not one of the hardest, his combos are very simple but hard to pull off in game, but I do agree he is not brainless and requires a lot of practice to master