2:00 in roughly you speak about how company's remastered a load of content on blu ray but there's less financial insensitive to do so for 4k. I would check out the remastering of jaws in 4k mini documentary or the remastering of dracula in 4k mini documentary it should change your mind
It's a valid point. Jaws is a big, successful film by Universal. That's something people will buy again and again. Therefore it is worth it for them to remaster and release it. Most movies cannot say the same. Especially a lot of obscure or foreign films. And even then, these films already look fantastic on standard Blu-ray. Plus you're getting to a point now where most movies are shot and mastered digitally and there is very little benefit to releasing it in 4K just because the resolution increase isn't noticeable.
@LordDementus1987 my friend it's not the resolution bump that's important for a 4k release, it's the bitrate and finally being able to see all the detail that was locked away in the film negatives that standard blu ray cannot show due to file size limitations. Go look at the 4k collections by arrow, criterion, 151 or BFI to know there IS a dedicated and real market for 4k releases of obscure and fan loved media, so this will of course extend into the mainstream space where the profits are larger for many of the greats like universal, warner bros, Sony, disney etc etc.. True cinema fans will watch it a film however they can, but for those who want that little bit extra there IS a market for it.
The difference from VHS to DVD is Noteable. The diferrence from DVD to BD .. most of the times is also Notebale. The diferrence from BD to 4K .. not so much Noteable. At least my damaged eyes after spending my half life in front of a TV screen lol
It depends entirely on the quality of the native image. Look for what's called "reference quality" 4k films and then come back to this. Not all 4k releases are equal.
DVDs look GREAT on CRTs, especially when with an RGB SCART connection, but when LCDs took over, I was disappointed by how they were displayed on them. So I grudgingly upgraded from DVD to Blu-ray, and, in fact, for anything, I will no longer go beyond 1080p50, ever.
I just want to start off by saying I love your content, man. I'm currently binge watching some of your videos, haha. I am watching this on a LG c1 OLED 4k tv and most of the content I watch is on physical media through my dedicated 4k player the panasonic ub-820 as it does an excellent job at upscaling 1080p blu ray content to 4k and even dvd 480p to 4k which is something video game consoles can't do.
I still stick with standard Blu-ray and I'm perfectly happy with it. The quality of the restoration matters far more to me than an unnoticeable increase in resolution.
My rule of thumb is that if you can't count the pixels with your eyes during normal use, then it's good enough resolution. A 4K phone means wayyy less than a 4K tablet for example.
I would say the content is way more important than the resolution. This is the case with still photography too. Most of the classic images we all love an admire were shot on with Black & white or colour film. For Video, 1080p is a sweet spot for me
It depends on the transfer from the native image. Something released by Christopher Nolan soo oppenheimer or the dark Knight trilogy you will see a reasonable bump in quality going from 1080p to 4k so it's worth paying for the 4k discs.
Alot of the 35mm remaster prints for classic films were done in 4k then downscaled to 1080p for blu ray release and now alot of 4k releases are happening for classic film stocks. I'm happy that Criteron, for example is restoring alot of soon to be lost media in beautiful ultra high definition most of the time with help from the original artists if they are still out there and available. There is no 1 to 1 ratio from film to pixel but it's generally accepted that 35mm film prints can be digitally mastered between 4k-6k to keep all the details from the orginal. I'm personally an artist pureist that wants to see everything the way the artist made it. If its filmed in 4k i want to see the detail the film maker saw and see it in 4k. If it was shot in standard or HD i would rather see it in its original format and not upscaled. The fact you need a 4k screen/player/subscription to watch most UHD is the main factor i think regular HD has stuck around for so long. Mirrorless and digital cameras are becoming 8k beasts now, no longer only the realm of RED $30,000+ dollar cameras but more in the realm of a few thousand dollar 'pro-sumer' camera range. Still the arri digital cameras still have the best dynamic range of any digital camera and i expect will stay the top sensor (4k) for a long time coming. Im watching this vid on a 2k OLED android phone. I have high fps HD screens and a 60fps 4k screen and a HD surround sound system at home. As someone who does media content for a living i need to view said media on alot of different spec'd equipment. But for normal people watching your fav film on dvd vs 4k blu ray probably doesnt matter as much. This topic is endlessly interesting to me, the stats you showed on 4k vs blu ray vs dvd was a very good reminder that I'm definitely an outlier compared to the general public.
While I mostly agree on the visual side, the major differences are that 4k is region free and/or have atmos soundtracks. For example, as someone in the US, I could only buy Westworld as a complete series 4k release from the UK. Since it’s region free, I don’t have to worry about importing. That being said, I tend not to upgrade to 4k if I have a Blu-ray.
If you’re using a mirrorless camera, Sony for example you HAVE to record in 4K because the camera can’t downsampled the video properly and the 1080 is really bad!
I always wanted to make a horror film in 480p. We're being attuned to high definition images and horror as a genre doesn't tend to be helped by high definition, same way with films like Toy Story, try watching that in high definition it looks terrible, you see all the flaws in the mid-90s CGI, but in 480p it's beautiful. Main thing that benefits from higher and higher resolutions are documentaries or your giant epics. Lawrence of Arabia I first watched on VHS and it looked fucking awful! But watching it in 1080p it looked great.
2:00 in roughly you speak about how company's remastered a load of content on blu ray but there's less financial insensitive to do so for 4k. I would check out the remastering of jaws in 4k mini documentary or the remastering of dracula in 4k mini documentary it should change your mind
It's a valid point. Jaws is a big, successful film by Universal. That's something people will buy again and again. Therefore it is worth it for them to remaster and release it. Most movies cannot say the same. Especially a lot of obscure or foreign films. And even then, these films already look fantastic on standard Blu-ray. Plus you're getting to a point now where most movies are shot and mastered digitally and there is very little benefit to releasing it in 4K just because the resolution increase isn't noticeable.
@LordDementus1987 my friend it's not the resolution bump that's important for a 4k release, it's the bitrate and finally being able to see all the detail that was locked away in the film negatives that standard blu ray cannot show due to file size limitations. Go look at the 4k collections by arrow, criterion, 151 or BFI to know there IS a dedicated and real market for 4k releases of obscure and fan loved media, so this will of course extend into the mainstream space where the profits are larger for many of the greats like universal, warner bros, Sony, disney etc etc.. True cinema fans will watch it a film however they can, but for those who want that little bit extra there IS a market for it.
I think it’s pretty simple…the difference in quality between 1080 and 4k is only noticeable in screens at least 65” and above…
Not true. Its just 1080p on a 65 inch display would have ridiculously low PPI.
...I think you picked too many inches here for your example
maby not on phones but at least on mackbooks and other laptops you really see the difference
The difference from VHS to DVD is Noteable.
The diferrence from DVD to BD .. most of the times is also Notebale.
The diferrence from BD to 4K .. not so much Noteable.
At least my damaged eyes after spending my half life in front of a TV screen lol
It depends entirely on the quality of the native image. Look for what's called "reference quality" 4k films and then come back to this. Not all 4k releases are equal.
DVDs look GREAT on CRTs, especially when with an RGB SCART connection, but when LCDs took over, I was disappointed by how they were displayed on them. So I grudgingly upgraded from DVD to Blu-ray, and, in fact, for anything, I will no longer go beyond 1080p50, ever.
I just want to start off by saying I love your content, man. I'm currently binge watching some of your videos, haha. I am watching this on a LG c1 OLED 4k tv and most of the content I watch is on physical media through my dedicated 4k player the panasonic ub-820 as it does an excellent job at upscaling 1080p blu ray content to 4k and even dvd 480p to 4k which is something video game consoles can't do.
I still stick with standard Blu-ray and I'm perfectly happy with it. The quality of the restoration matters far more to me than an unnoticeable increase in resolution.
My rule of thumb is that if you can't count the pixels with your eyes during normal use, then it's good enough resolution. A 4K phone means wayyy less than a 4K tablet for example.
I would say the content is way more important than the resolution. This is the case with still photography too. Most of the classic images we all love an admire were shot on with Black & white or colour film. For Video, 1080p is a sweet spot for me
It depends on the transfer from the native image. Something released by Christopher Nolan soo oppenheimer or the dark Knight trilogy you will see a reasonable bump in quality going from 1080p to 4k so it's worth paying for the 4k discs.
Did it really go missing 😉 Im guessing non one is actually watching in 4K
I am.
Alot of the 35mm remaster prints for classic films were done in 4k then downscaled to 1080p for blu ray release and now alot of 4k releases are happening for classic film stocks. I'm happy that Criteron, for example is restoring alot of soon to be lost media in beautiful ultra high definition most of the time with help from the original artists if they are still out there and available.
There is no 1 to 1 ratio from film to pixel but it's generally accepted that 35mm film prints can be digitally mastered between 4k-6k to keep all the details from the orginal.
I'm personally an artist pureist that wants to see everything the way the artist made it. If its filmed in 4k i want to see the detail the film maker saw and see it in 4k. If it was shot in standard or HD i would rather see it in its original format and not upscaled.
The fact you need a 4k screen/player/subscription to watch most UHD is the main factor i think regular HD has stuck around for so long. Mirrorless and digital cameras are becoming 8k beasts now, no longer only the realm of RED $30,000+ dollar cameras but more in the realm of a few thousand dollar 'pro-sumer' camera range.
Still the arri digital cameras still have the best dynamic range of any digital camera and i expect will stay the top sensor (4k) for a long time coming.
Im watching this vid on a 2k OLED android phone. I have high fps HD screens and a 60fps 4k screen and a HD surround sound system at home.
As someone who does media content for a living i need to view said media on alot of different spec'd equipment.
But for normal people watching your fav film on dvd vs 4k blu ray probably doesnt matter as much.
This topic is endlessly interesting to me, the stats you showed on 4k vs blu ray vs dvd was a very good reminder that I'm definitely an outlier compared to the general public.
While I mostly agree on the visual side, the major differences are that 4k is region free and/or have atmos soundtracks. For example, as someone in the US, I could only buy Westworld as a complete series 4k release from the UK. Since it’s region free, I don’t have to worry about importing.
That being said, I tend not to upgrade to 4k if I have a Blu-ray.
720p automatic on iPad 😊
If you’re using a mirrorless camera, Sony for example you HAVE to record in 4K because the camera can’t downsampled the video properly and the 1080 is really bad!
I always wanted to make a horror film in 480p. We're being attuned to high definition images and horror as a genre doesn't tend to be helped by high definition, same way with films like Toy Story, try watching that in high definition it looks terrible, you see all the flaws in the mid-90s CGI, but in 480p it's beautiful. Main thing that benefits from higher and higher resolutions are documentaries or your giant epics. Lawrence of Arabia I first watched on VHS and it looked fucking awful! But watching it in 1080p it looked great.