Legend of Zelda: OOT is one of the most beloved games ever released. It's story is renowned, but the message it sends has more to it than meets the eye...
@@garrettstickel1189 fascism need not be socialists, though nationalist it almost always must be. You guys are equating what you think fascism is with Hollywood movies has caricature the German national socialists of being.
I disagree that Link thinks that violence is a good way to accomplish goals. Link only fights Ganon's monsters because he doesn't really have any other choice. He also doesn't kill any humans, instead choosing to sneak past them when they block his path (Hyrule Guards, Gerudo Guards). Link only fights other humans in self defense or to help other people (He only fights the Gerudo swordfighters to free the prisoners + they attacked him first. Anyway, interesting video. I appreciate the bold take!
Well for one... he's 10-12 years old mentally. He's not exactly firing on all neurons in the brain space yet. He's not comparing and contrasting philosophical concepts or what leading means or anything like that. For two, like... did you forget he has a genuine personal beef with Ganondorf? The guy literally laid a death curse on his wooden father figure, who told him to meet with the princess. A princess who; _need I remind you,_ has *no* political power as a child as her father completely ignores the warning she gives him from her prophetic dreams. Thirdly, the Divine Right of Kings bit has a lil' more credence in this universe, seeing that the princess he's aiding is _literally_ the reincarnation of a goddess and even just the _lullaby associated with her_ has the inherent magical properties to alter the flow of water and restore destroyed objects, among other things. Fourthly, Ganondorf himself is a divine king and a tyrant in his own right. Nobody in his own land likes him aside from his own Grammas. Fifth, he really doesn't use violence to solve problems. He literally wins a horse race to restore land ownership to the family that owns and maintained it after Ganondorf granted it to Ingo for being a fervent supporter of his. He spends like two hours running all over the place for people and filling out multiple prescriptions along the way, and is rewarded for his kindness. Every single instance of violence in the game is inflicted either on aggressive wild life or creatures that Ganondorf himself summoned specifically to stop you or to kill and harm people. Gohma is eating the Deku Tree alive. King Dodongo is starving the Gorons. Barrinade is the Gohma plan again with a side order of taking political prisoner. Phantom Ganon is a trap. Volvagia is literally eating Gorons. Morpha has frozen 90% of an entire race in ice. Bongo Bongo literally lit Kakariko Village on fire and attacked people. Twinrova is kidnapping people and brainwashing them to serve her son. Sixthly, I don't know how every people chooses their leaders in Ocarina of Time. Kokiri society seems to not have any real political structure and the Deku Tree is more of a guide than a leader. Darunia is the big brother of the Gorons but we don't really know anything about how their society is structured. Impa is maybe the only Sheikah we see in the game. Nabooru seems to have earned her place among her people. Ruto is a princess. In any case, Link helps all of these different people from different backgrounds without forcing them to swear fealty to Zelda or anything, he just goes in and does his best to resolve their problems if he can. And finally, the representatives of each of the peoples of Hyrule literally rally behind Zelda to kick Ganondorf, and that is Democracy if I've ever seen it. 😉
Clearly Link; after having witnessed the words of the departed beneath the well and in the shadow temple, becomes a royal guard with the intention of keeping the hyrulian royal family in line from the shadows. >:)
I appreciate the bravery inherent with the argument you're making here, but as someone who's probably put more analytical thought into this game than the average player (and has a post-graduate background in European History to boot), I have more than a few problems with this. First off: being a royalist in no way makes you a fascist. The royalists in the German government in particular were the conservatives, who were ousted by the NSDAP (I'm using this acronym so that RUclips doesn't hide this comment) following the death of Paul von Hindenburg. The NSDAP themselves were actually anti-monarchy, because they believed Emperor Wilhelm's bad diplomacy is what led to Germany's political isolation and eventual loss during WW1 (which is kind of true, actually). They therefore willingly dismissed any initiative to restore the Emperor, something that was actually quite popular amongst the German people before the NSDAP's rise to power. Italians did have a King, but his power was circumvented in order to provide more political control to the PNF. The moment the King turned on the Germans and sided with the Allies, the PNF staged a revolt and created the Italian Socialist Republic in the north - not very royalist, as you can see. Machiavelli was also not a fascist, primarily because... he died 400 years before fascism was invented. Did fascists use some of his writings as inspiration when creating their new political philosophy? Yes. But so did literally everyone else. Machiavelli has inspired every great European leader to some degree since the time of his death; The Prince is practically ubiquitous in European political philosophy, to the point where it almost appears infantile by today's standards - but it was revolutionary for its time. Most importantly: Machiavelli was not an advocate of endless militarism or state propaganda (again, these are modern concepts which he had no knowledge of). To inherently equate Machiavellian thought to fascism is, quite frankly, disingenuous. On the note of Ganondorf: Ganondorf is the bad guy not because he looks evil, or because he might do something evil later on, but because he actually has done something evil by the time the game starts. He kills Link's adoptive father at the beginning of the game, and he's already poisoned another guardian deity (Jabu-Jabu) and attempted to starve out the Gorons by blocking the way to Dodongo's Cavern. Ganon isn't the victim of extrajudicial discrimination - he's a turncoat and a murderer. That's very different than what real-life fascists did, where they decided to oppress groups who they merely thought might pose a threat to the regime. I also take issue with your point that Link uses violence to accomplish his goals. Link deliberately does not kill the guards of Hyrule Castle specifically because they have done nothing wrong, nor does he kill the women at Gerudo's Fortress despite their hostility towards him (likely out of pity for their plight). Everything else he kills is directly hostile towards him - Deku babas, stalfos, skulltulas, lizalfos, dodongos - none of these creatures can be reasoned with. Violence can absolutely be righteous, when wielded with purpose and tempered by mercy - two qualities that Link absolutely exhibits. And yes, he is a royalist, but there's nothing wrong with that - especially because Princess Zelda literally, verifiably, does have divine right to rule. This is where the fantasy aspect of the game clashes a bit with reality, but if royals in real life were actually the descendants of Gods, I think a lot more of us would be royalists. But even so: there's nothing separating a loyal royalist from a loyal republican, other than the system of government under which they were born; both are loyal to their country and are therefore both deserving of respect. I'm leaving you a like because I think this was a brave argument for you to make. However, I do think you should consider doing more in-depth research before putting out argumentative video essays - especially when the argument is bound to rile people up lol. Anyway, I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors, and I hope you have a very nice day.
What an amazing comment! Love this so much. I have a lot of thoughts regarding this, but firstly just wanna say what a polite way to disagree! This is exactly what this is all about!
@@dyneeoh I had you pegged as a troll who said controversial things on purpose, simply to stir the pot. What a refreshingly... what's the word? Humble? Way to accept criticism.
Well, he is a Royalist or at least he is pragmatic about it and you can make the argument that he is defending the royal family's capital, but even pacifists use violence or the threat of violence to protect themselves, but you could also make the argument that he is protecting the people and uses the monarchy for that mean, he also shows care for the little guy with no monetary incentive, nothing Fascist about that
My main point is that the best outcome is ganondorf never takes power and we get rid of him before he does all of the bad stuff, which is a very “ends justify the means” and “slippery slope” type argument. Imagine this: some dude from the desert comes out and wants a seat at the royal table - you’d think all the bad stuff that happens when he gets that seat would just be conspiratorial talking points if they never happened and we just banished him to the twilight zone
I'm glad youtube recommended this video to me. This kind of parody video essay that's just dry enough to seem believable to some people is very underappreciated.
On the one hand, Japan, Italy, and Germany were all on the same side in WWII; on the other time travel isn't just _thinking_ someone is going to do something bad. With time travel, you have definitive proof, beyond a shadow of a doubt... not tangible proof, mind you... so from King Hyrule's perspective, _he's_ probably a fascist. _Link,_ personally, is merely solving the paradox of tolerance ( which states that if a society's practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them). So, all together, the King and Ganon? Yes. Link and Zelda? No.
Welp screenshots of this are gonna get paraded around as an example of people who actually do overuse "fascist," and with actual fascists rearing their head it's a pretty bad time for that
Sort of. Machiavellianism definitely advocates for a classical republican type of government structure. His power politics did become the most famous part of his philosophy, but it's not the only thing his philosophy is about. A lot (most?) of what he says in The Prince can apply pretty universally, but it's definitely written with republican politics in mind.
It's like if a child is told that there's a guy named Hitler who is going to do a lot of bad things but doesn't do anything until after Hitler has serious power and killed millions. It's basically what Link did. He was told Ganon was evil, knew as a child that he was bad. Then once he already destroyed the castle then he decides "enough is enough" according to the Ocarina of Time Timeline with adult link. While I think you bring up a fun idea and an interesting concept, I just do not think this game is a defense for fascism, the timeline of the game just doesn't support it. Fun video, thought provoking for sure! Thanks for the upload!
This has to be a parody. It's like taking "you killed my father, prepare to die, bastard" and calling that fascism. Like the whole reason Link starts his adventure is not only was he orphaned by Ganondorf, but he also lost his adoptive father to Ganondorf's warfare. But the sad part is, if it's a parody, it's a believable one, in that one could believe someone is this stupid.
Home boy asking the hard hitting questions here. I'd say my main critique is these discussion vids are often too short regardless of the intent being for the laughs or not. Don't let the haters keep ya down, Dyneeoh. They ain't ready for the Hotep origins in Metroid.
ppl taking a silly little theory video THIS seriously is insane. did you guys know that there is no such thing as hyrule or the triforce? its all fiction surprisingly.
Monarchy isn't Fascism Violence isn't mutually exclusive to Fascism Believing in good and evil is not mutually exclusive to fascism Machiavelli predates fascism and was a classical republican and explicitly against autocracy. His politics were much more focused on civic liberty and individual freedom, which is antithetical to Fascism. Mussolini was not primarily influenced by Machiavelli. His political influence comes primarily from Giovanni Gentile, whose primary influence was Hegel, whose primary influence was Kant, who was overtly against Machiavellian philosophy. Neither Gentile, or Hegel liked Machiavelli's ideas of government structure (which is what we're referring to on the topic of Fascism), even though they saught wisdom in his power politics. Let me try to give credit where it's due: I think it's cool that you're looking at the politics and morality in a playful and recognizable world separate from our own. The hidden politics in media can be really interesting, especially in a fantasy world. I would also say you have a lot of wise insight into the world of Zelda and I don't really see much wrong with your moral analyses of the world and the characters - like Ganon = evil isn't enough for me, looking at his methodology was cool. My advice? Please be very careful with your assumptions on how this fits under political labels. This analyses would have been a million times more fruitful if you weren't trying to fit things into labels, or more specifically, if you weren't trying to fit things under the umbrella of Fascism. As far as the facts are concerned, much of what you got wrong could have been verified (or disproven) really quickly and easily, which isn't to throw shade at you, I'm just saying I'm not giving you an unreasonable pile of homework when I ask you to double check your facts lol.
@jessethomas9676 This is why they say that media literacy is dead. He's obviously saying something along the lines of "Are the good guys really so good?" Sort of like a "Who watches the watchmen?" kind of introspective thing... he _assumed_ he didn't need to say "fascism is bad" in the actual video for people to get it.
@@dyneeoh I think you're mocking idiots that believe everything is fascism. By the way fascism is syndicalism which derives from the word Fascismo which means syndicalism i.e. trade unionism. Mussolini was a lifelong socialist and his main goal was to topple the church and heit lur copied this model to a "T". I'd say fascism is more Marxist concept as Marx was all about the central banks running the universe and did fascists embrace monarchism? Absolutely not Heit Lur was absolutely against the old aristocratic classes and took Nietzsche's will to power as an excuse to become emperor.
Excuse me? Who is “we” when we refer to Machiavelli as “Italian fascism” because it certainly isn’t anyone who studies this subject. Machiavelli is a realist, not a fascist. If you read any of his other works, it’s obvious he is a republican that despairs at the political fragmentation of the Italian peninsula. This is a just another example of flawed reasoning. Grasping at straws that lacks substance.
Fascism is based, I think these ideologies were a bit conflated if I'm being honest. Still there are those consequentialists/utilitarianists out there for sure, why I'm a virtue ethicist
and what exactly makes ganondorf different from zelda? he seems more willing than she is to use coercive methods against the gorons to attempt to acquire their allegiance, blockading their source of meat in dodongos cavern and imprisoning them in the fire temple. if the game were trying to justify fascism, the guy with no limit on what he could do however unpopular with the people of his kingdom would be the protagonist. maybe hyrule was fascist once in the war that killed link's mother but by the time young link is playable it's clearly suffering from a lack of sufficient supply of soldiers who are up to the task. theyre taking bribes, acting in deriliction of duty, and corruption in general beplagues them. one of them even encourages vandalism out of boredom by hiding his personal funds inside objects he wants link to break. and there's even a black market for bombchus stolen from the bombchu bowling alley in the same hyrule castle town that said bowling alley they stole it from is also located in. i somehow doubt the princess is in control of this criminal underworld like palpatine was playing both sides of the clone wars.
Very bad take. Somehow, Link believing in Monarchy and trying to defeat Ganondorf before he comes to power whenever he has seen the proof firsthand of his evil makes him a fascist? I see point A, point C is Link allegedly being a fascist, and point B where it is reasonably explained is nowhere to be found. Also, Link is overly violent? What are you talking about? He only kills monsters and goes out of his way to only stun the Gerudo in their fortress. Did we play the same game?
Great title! Got my attention, I personally think Link is a pure monarchist, "to be a ruler is a divine right etc...." Miyamoto is a capitalist with a love of old-timey stories. Good take, opens up some fun discussion!
I watched to the end hoping this was a satire piece, but unfortunately since it is not, and you seem to have a small sub count, I’m going to take it you’re fairly new to this. So with that out of the way, problems… 1. Thinking that Machiavellian thought leads to fascism is outright wrong, in that Machiavellian mode of thought was also a direct inspiration for liberal REALPOLITIK and even Trotskyism. 2. Misrepresenting Machiavelli here not only causes problems for the “fascism” narrative, but it also ignores the issues that Machiavelli and his followers in the Italian Elitist school of though would dub as “the managerial state,” which would be completely counter to an absolutist monarch with divine right backing. 3. You are missing half of the story, whereas if you really wanted to make this as incendiary as possible, you would mention the christian imagery within older LoZ titles, thus making link not just a “fascist,” but a “Christofascist!” 😱 4. We are completely ignoring the simplicity of Link being a reflection of the Monomyth, so of course to claim link as problematic would be to call the entirety of the idea of the monomyth a problematic idea, which would be way too much to even address in a RUclips comment. I don’t want to harass you into rethinking your content, as even bad ideas deserve a place, and I’m also very open about my biases (very much an extreme right wing elitist), but there is a lot wrong with this video. Of course we are going to disagree just on principle, but I hope you take these words into consideration with your future content. At least try to steelman the opposition, that would at least make these more interesting.
nice try ganondorf
Monarchy and Fascism are two different ideologies
Closer than most others.
No, at at all close
@@alexanderscalzi9361you dopey.
@luc0002 no it's really not at all. monarchs arnt national socialists
@@garrettstickel1189 fascism need not be socialists, though nationalist it almost always must be.
You guys are equating what you think fascism is with Hollywood movies has caricature the German national socialists of being.
I'm ten seconds in and can already tell you it's a parody. Jesus people, lighten up.
Link found the 'final solution' for the 'moblin question'
medieval person that participates in a medieval monarchist society is a monarchist. very insightful video
I disagree that Link thinks that violence is a good way to accomplish goals. Link only fights Ganon's monsters because he doesn't really have any other choice. He also doesn't kill any humans, instead choosing to sneak past them when they block his path (Hyrule Guards, Gerudo Guards). Link only fights other humans in self defense or to help other people (He only fights the Gerudo swordfighters to free the prisoners + they attacked him first.
Anyway, interesting video. I appreciate the bold take!
The Gerudo bandits also fight Link to test his strength
this is dope. Fascist Link is a bop
This is a bad take
Love to hear why you think so :)
Well for one... he's 10-12 years old mentally. He's not exactly firing on all neurons in the brain space yet. He's not comparing and contrasting philosophical concepts or what leading means or anything like that.
For two, like... did you forget he has a genuine personal beef with Ganondorf?
The guy literally laid a death curse on his wooden father figure, who told him to meet with the princess.
A princess who; _need I remind you,_ has *no* political power as a child as her father completely ignores the warning she gives him from her prophetic dreams.
Thirdly, the Divine Right of Kings bit has a lil' more credence in this universe, seeing that the princess he's aiding is _literally_ the reincarnation of a goddess and even just the _lullaby associated with her_ has the inherent magical properties to alter the flow of water and restore destroyed objects, among other things.
Fourthly, Ganondorf himself is a divine king and a tyrant in his own right. Nobody in his own land likes him aside from his own Grammas.
Fifth, he really doesn't use violence to solve problems. He literally wins a horse race to restore land ownership to the family that owns and maintained it after Ganondorf granted it to Ingo for being a fervent supporter of his. He spends like two hours running all over the place for people and filling out multiple prescriptions along the way, and is rewarded for his kindness.
Every single instance of violence in the game is inflicted either on aggressive wild life or creatures that Ganondorf himself summoned specifically to stop you or to kill and harm people.
Gohma is eating the Deku Tree alive. King Dodongo is starving the Gorons. Barrinade is the Gohma plan again with a side order of taking political prisoner. Phantom Ganon is a trap. Volvagia is literally eating Gorons. Morpha has frozen 90% of an entire race in ice. Bongo Bongo literally lit Kakariko Village on fire and attacked people. Twinrova is kidnapping people and brainwashing them to serve her son.
Sixthly, I don't know how every people chooses their leaders in Ocarina of Time. Kokiri society seems to not have any real political structure and the Deku Tree is more of a guide than a leader. Darunia is the big brother of the Gorons but we don't really know anything about how their society is structured. Impa is maybe the only Sheikah we see in the game. Nabooru seems to have earned her place among her people. Ruto is a princess.
In any case, Link helps all of these different people from different backgrounds without forcing them to swear fealty to Zelda or anything, he just goes in and does his best to resolve their problems if he can.
And finally, the representatives of each of the peoples of Hyrule literally rally behind Zelda to kick Ganondorf, and that is Democracy if I've ever seen it. 😉
Clearly Link; after having witnessed the words of the departed beneath the well and in the shadow temple, becomes a royal guard with the intention of keeping the hyrulian royal family in line from the shadows. >:)
Its a parody of the “everything is fascist” crowd’s media takes
I appreciate the bravery inherent with the argument you're making here, but as someone who's probably put more analytical thought into this game than the average player (and has a post-graduate background in European History to boot), I have more than a few problems with this. First off: being a royalist in no way makes you a fascist. The royalists in the German government in particular were the conservatives, who were ousted by the NSDAP (I'm using this acronym so that RUclips doesn't hide this comment) following the death of Paul von Hindenburg. The NSDAP themselves were actually anti-monarchy, because they believed Emperor Wilhelm's bad diplomacy is what led to Germany's political isolation and eventual loss during WW1 (which is kind of true, actually). They therefore willingly dismissed any initiative to restore the Emperor, something that was actually quite popular amongst the German people before the NSDAP's rise to power. Italians did have a King, but his power was circumvented in order to provide more political control to the PNF. The moment the King turned on the Germans and sided with the Allies, the PNF staged a revolt and created the Italian Socialist Republic in the north - not very royalist, as you can see.
Machiavelli was also not a fascist, primarily because... he died 400 years before fascism was invented. Did fascists use some of his writings as inspiration when creating their new political philosophy? Yes. But so did literally everyone else. Machiavelli has inspired every great European leader to some degree since the time of his death; The Prince is practically ubiquitous in European political philosophy, to the point where it almost appears infantile by today's standards - but it was revolutionary for its time. Most importantly: Machiavelli was not an advocate of endless militarism or state propaganda (again, these are modern concepts which he had no knowledge of). To inherently equate Machiavellian thought to fascism is, quite frankly, disingenuous.
On the note of Ganondorf: Ganondorf is the bad guy not because he looks evil, or because he might do something evil later on, but because he actually has done something evil by the time the game starts. He kills Link's adoptive father at the beginning of the game, and he's already poisoned another guardian deity (Jabu-Jabu) and attempted to starve out the Gorons by blocking the way to Dodongo's Cavern. Ganon isn't the victim of extrajudicial discrimination - he's a turncoat and a murderer. That's very different than what real-life fascists did, where they decided to oppress groups who they merely thought might pose a threat to the regime.
I also take issue with your point that Link uses violence to accomplish his goals. Link deliberately does not kill the guards of Hyrule Castle specifically because they have done nothing wrong, nor does he kill the women at Gerudo's Fortress despite their hostility towards him (likely out of pity for their plight). Everything else he kills is directly hostile towards him - Deku babas, stalfos, skulltulas, lizalfos, dodongos - none of these creatures can be reasoned with. Violence can absolutely be righteous, when wielded with purpose and tempered by mercy - two qualities that Link absolutely exhibits. And yes, he is a royalist, but there's nothing wrong with that - especially because Princess Zelda literally, verifiably, does have divine right to rule. This is where the fantasy aspect of the game clashes a bit with reality, but if royals in real life were actually the descendants of Gods, I think a lot more of us would be royalists. But even so: there's nothing separating a loyal royalist from a loyal republican, other than the system of government under which they were born; both are loyal to their country and are therefore both deserving of respect.
I'm leaving you a like because I think this was a brave argument for you to make. However, I do think you should consider doing more in-depth research before putting out argumentative video essays - especially when the argument is bound to rile people up lol. Anyway, I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors, and I hope you have a very nice day.
What an amazing comment! Love this so much. I have a lot of thoughts regarding this, but firstly just wanna say what a polite way to disagree! This is exactly what this is all about!
@@dyneeoh I had you pegged as a troll who said controversial things on purpose, simply to stir the pot. What a refreshingly... what's the word? Humble? Way to accept criticism.
Well, he is a Royalist or at least he is pragmatic about it and you can make the argument that he is defending the royal family's capital, but even pacifists use violence or the threat of violence to protect themselves, but you could also make the argument that he is protecting the people and uses the monarchy for that mean, he also shows care for the little guy with no monetary incentive, nothing Fascist about that
My main point is that the best outcome is ganondorf never takes power and we get rid of him before he does all of the bad stuff, which is a very “ends justify the means” and “slippery slope” type argument.
Imagine this: some dude from the desert comes out and wants a seat at the royal table - you’d think all the bad stuff that happens when he gets that seat would just be conspiratorial talking points if they never happened and we just banished him to the twilight zone
I'm glad youtube recommended this video to me. This kind of parody video essay that's just dry enough to seem believable to some people is very underappreciated.
Glad you enjoyed it:)
At most he is a realist, he sees proof of that the goddesses do exist and he is a chosen piece of the legend so he rolls with it.
This is pretty fricking funny bro, thanks for taking the time to do the analysis and posting this
Glad you liked it!
On the one hand, Japan, Italy, and Germany were all on the same side in WWII; on the other time travel isn't just _thinking_ someone is going to do something bad. With time travel, you have definitive proof, beyond a shadow of a doubt... not tangible proof, mind you... so from King Hyrule's perspective, _he's_ probably a fascist. _Link,_ personally, is merely solving the paradox of tolerance ( which states that if a society's practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them). So, all together, the King and Ganon? Yes. Link and Zelda? No.
SOMEHOW YOUR VOICE FITS SO WELL TO THE TITLE
Shigeru Miyamoto once said "Link is the player" so if you look at him that way 👀...
you're in charge of OoT lore now.
OOT isn’t fascist-but my Zelda x Warhammer 40k fanfic definitely is. lol.
This needed to be said. Reactionary works like OOT have went unexamined for far too long!
I have a better chance of finding a green rupee cutting my lawn than the video maker has of touching grass
Welp screenshots of this are gonna get paraded around as an example of people who actually do overuse "fascist," and with actual fascists rearing their head it's a pretty bad time for that
Machiavellianism is just an approach to solving problems.
Sort of. Machiavellianism definitely advocates for a classical republican type of government structure. His power politics did become the most famous part of his philosophy, but it's not the only thing his philosophy is about. A lot (most?) of what he says in The Prince can apply pretty universally, but it's definitely written with republican politics in mind.
"Fascism is when you try to stop bad things before everything goes to complete shit", that's enough internet for today
It's like if a child is told that there's a guy named Hitler who is going to do a lot of bad things but doesn't do anything until after Hitler has serious power and killed millions. It's basically what Link did. He was told Ganon was evil, knew as a child that he was bad. Then once he already destroyed the castle then he decides "enough is enough" according to the Ocarina of Time Timeline with adult link. While I think you bring up a fun idea and an interesting concept, I just do not think this game is a defense for fascism, the timeline of the game just doesn't support it.
Fun video, thought provoking for sure! Thanks for the upload!
This is some of the best bait ever made and thank you for this satire.
1:06 Devine is actually spelled Divine
This has to be a parody.
It's like taking "you killed my father, prepare to die, bastard" and calling that fascism.
Like the whole reason Link starts his adventure is not only was he orphaned by Ganondorf, but he also lost his adoptive father to Ganondorf's warfare.
But the sad part is, if it's a parody, it's a believable one, in that one could believe someone is this stupid.
Home boy asking the hard hitting questions here. I'd say my main critique is these discussion vids are often too short regardless of the intent being for the laughs or not.
Don't let the haters keep ya down, Dyneeoh. They ain't ready for the Hotep origins in Metroid.
Thanks man, means a lot! With time I think they’ll get longer:) They’ll get more whether they like it or not 😂
Monarchy and Divine Right. I love it.
There’s still time to delete this
ppl taking a silly little theory video THIS seriously is insane. did you guys know that there is no such thing as hyrule or the triforce? its all fiction surprisingly.
Monarchy isn't Fascism
Violence isn't mutually exclusive to Fascism
Believing in good and evil is not mutually exclusive to fascism
Machiavelli predates fascism and was a classical republican and explicitly against autocracy. His politics were much more focused on civic liberty and individual freedom, which is antithetical to Fascism.
Mussolini was not primarily influenced by Machiavelli. His political influence comes primarily from Giovanni Gentile, whose primary influence was Hegel, whose primary influence was Kant, who was overtly against Machiavellian philosophy. Neither Gentile, or Hegel liked Machiavelli's ideas of government structure (which is what we're referring to on the topic of Fascism), even though they saught wisdom in his power politics.
Let me try to give credit where it's due: I think it's cool that you're looking at the politics and morality in a playful and recognizable world separate from our own. The hidden politics in media can be really interesting, especially in a fantasy world.
I would also say you have a lot of wise insight into the world of Zelda and I don't really see much wrong with your moral analyses of the world and the characters - like Ganon = evil isn't enough for me, looking at his methodology was cool.
My advice? Please be very careful with your assumptions on how this fits under political labels. This analyses would have been a million times more fruitful if you weren't trying to fit things into labels, or more specifically, if you weren't trying to fit things under the umbrella of Fascism. As far as the facts are concerned, much of what you got wrong could have been verified (or disproven) really quickly and easily, which isn't to throw shade at you, I'm just saying I'm not giving you an unreasonable pile of homework when I ask you to double check your facts lol.
Ackqchuallyyyyy
Get a load of this Link guy
Are you saying fascism is good? Because link is obviously the good guy.
I’m certainly not saying fascism is good 😂
@jessethomas9676 This is why they say that media literacy is dead. He's obviously saying something along the lines of "Are the good guys really so good?" Sort of like a "Who watches the watchmen?" kind of introspective thing... he _assumed_ he didn't need to say "fascism is bad" in the actual video for people to get it.
@@Wendy_O._Koopa He's not saying it, but clearly OOT is. Media literacy is understanding that Legend of Zelda is inherently a pro-facist series.
This was fun to watch, and I really hope you don't believe this
Glad you enjoyed, it’s all in good fun:)
@@dyneeoh I think you're mocking idiots that believe everything is fascism. By the way fascism is syndicalism which derives from the word Fascismo which means syndicalism i.e. trade unionism. Mussolini was a lifelong socialist and his main goal was to topple the church and heit lur copied this model to a "T". I'd say fascism is more Marxist concept as Marx was all about the central banks running the universe and did fascists embrace monarchism? Absolutely not Heit Lur was absolutely against the old aristocratic classes and took Nietzsche's will to power as an excuse to become emperor.
how did i get here
Ganondorf spreading fake news!
gods this video shows they need to put a block button back on so we don't have to see this non sense ever again
I think Plato's philosopher king is a closer representation to OOT than Italian Fascism
The Zelda universe is based off of medieval Catholic society.
You have the “Devine” ability to be completely wrong
Source: I made it the fuck up!
Kids from wealthy countries who have never lived under a real dictatorship or socialist communist regime are hilarious
I wonder where you think I’m from and where you think I’ve lived? 🤔
It’s divine btw
Excuse me? Who is “we” when we refer to Machiavelli as “Italian fascism” because it certainly isn’t anyone who studies this subject. Machiavelli is a realist, not a fascist. If you read any of his other works, it’s obvious he is a republican that despairs at the political fragmentation of the Italian peninsula.
This is a just another example of flawed reasoning. Grasping at straws that lacks substance.
fascism ≠ monarchism
Fascism is based, I think these ideologies were a bit conflated if I'm being honest. Still there are those consequentialists/utilitarianists out there for sure, why I'm a virtue ethicist
Fascism is dumb. Virtue ethics is based, but that’s because of Aristotle. Mussolini and Hitler were rambling morons without intellectual curiosity.
these days, fascist is a compliment anyways
goddammit I almost fell for the bait
and what exactly makes ganondorf different from zelda? he seems more willing than she is to use coercive methods against the gorons to attempt to acquire their allegiance, blockading their source of meat in dodongos cavern and imprisoning them in the fire temple. if the game were trying to justify fascism, the guy with no limit on what he could do however unpopular with the people of his kingdom would be the protagonist.
maybe hyrule was fascist once in the war that killed link's mother but by the time young link is playable it's clearly suffering from a lack of sufficient supply of soldiers who are up to the task. theyre taking bribes, acting in deriliction of duty, and corruption in general beplagues them. one of them even encourages vandalism out of boredom by hiding his personal funds inside objects he wants link to break.
and there's even a black market for bombchus stolen from the bombchu bowling alley in the same hyrule castle town that said bowling alley they stole it from is also located in. i somehow doubt the princess is in control of this criminal underworld like palpatine was playing both sides of the clone wars.
Very bad take. Somehow, Link believing in Monarchy and trying to defeat Ganondorf before he comes to power whenever he has seen the proof firsthand of his evil makes him a fascist? I see point A, point C is Link allegedly being a fascist, and point B where it is reasonably explained is nowhere to be found. Also, Link is overly violent? What are you talking about? He only kills monsters and goes out of his way to only stun the Gerudo in their fortress. Did we play the same game?
This is a parody right?
Great title! Got my attention, I personally think Link is a pure monarchist, "to be a ruler is a divine right etc...." Miyamoto is a capitalist with a love of old-timey stories. Good take, opens up some fun discussion!
Totally agree with this!
really interesting take
He was right.
Based.
Lank is my favorite character
I watched to the end hoping this was a satire piece, but unfortunately since it is not, and you seem to have a small sub count, I’m going to take it you’re fairly new to this. So with that out of the way, problems…
1. Thinking that Machiavellian thought leads to fascism is outright wrong, in that Machiavellian mode of thought was also a direct inspiration for liberal REALPOLITIK and even Trotskyism.
2. Misrepresenting Machiavelli here not only causes problems for the “fascism” narrative, but it also ignores the issues that Machiavelli and his followers in the Italian Elitist school of though would dub as “the managerial state,” which would be completely counter to an absolutist monarch with divine right backing.
3. You are missing half of the story, whereas if you really wanted to make this as incendiary as possible, you would mention the christian imagery within older LoZ titles, thus making link not just a “fascist,” but a “Christofascist!” 😱
4. We are completely ignoring the simplicity of Link being a reflection of the Monomyth, so of course to claim link as problematic would be to call the entirety of the idea of the monomyth a problematic idea, which would be way too much to even address in a RUclips comment.
I don’t want to harass you into rethinking your content, as even bad ideas deserve a place, and I’m also very open about my biases (very much an extreme right wing elitist), but there is a lot wrong with this video. Of course we are going to disagree just on principle, but I hope you take these words into consideration with your future content. At least try to steelman the opposition, that would at least make these more interesting.
Mega based actually.
This is good.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
This game is about zelda not this so stop and i am 30 so dont switch this on political stuff
nice try diddy
Nice video :) Keep it going!
Epic take!
Lol. Thats not fascism
Good
Wow. Reddit is gonna love this 🙄
LFG?
this is so dumb but still not even dumb enough to be funny
BASED
get out
🤓
Lame video.
Fascism is inherently goodn