I worked about 15 years in the automotive aftermarket industry. I used to deal with Beck/Arnley, they are an odd company. Sometimes you’ll get a reboxed OEM part, sometimes an aftermarket part; but very rarely a part they make themselves. Like for instance if you buy an ABS sensor for a Toyota, you might get an OEM Toyota part, might get a Denso, or something else.
I was going to point out the same thing, it's kind of like NAPA/Balkamp. I think Big A was like that too. I have bought parts like that before that were re-boxed OEM for less than 1/2 the cost. I bought a brand new Chrysler starter once (old style) with the part number stamped on it but no star from a company boxing parts in Indiana for about $35. I think they were the original suppliers to Chrysler under contract.
The spring in the filter is actually called a "pressure differential regulator" per 'Uncle Tony's Garage' YT channel per April 23, 2023 video at about 4:55 into the video. "Uncle Tony" is an interesting guy.
@@WhipCityWrencher Understood. He was actually correcting himself from the previous video he made. I also found the Oberg filter to be interesting as it can be loaded with two 28 micron filters.
Recently, I've been seeing a significant amount of what I consider unreliable and/or second hand information there. If it's such a great filter why not publish the efficiency information on the box or elsewhere for all to read? It's done on the Super Tech MP series made by the same company, Champ Labs. Personally, I don't trust word of mouth only information.
@@WhipCityWrencher Honestly Whip, I think if it's not published somewhere, defaulting to other similar Champ Labs made filters, the correct thing to do. Even the M1 previously made by Champ was the rating you gave.
Thanks, Pete and Roberto. Champ for the win. It's not bad for a lower price point filter. l really liked the base plate with all those inlet holes on the Champ.
I give this one to the champ XL it has more and better media and a silicon anti-drain back valve, I used a Mahle filter on my Tacoma 4 liters previously, and I had to remove it because the anti-drain back valve was leaking so they won't sell me another one.
Champ looks like it's own version of the ST. Be fine for 1 year, 4-6K .Not a fan of these long life filters over 20-25 microns. Less filtering for more miles is a garbage idea.
Little disappointed in the Mahle filter. They always had a really good reputation for delivering high-quality products. In fact, a lot of Land Rover guys use these filters.
I like the under microscope part. I like to see amsoil and oem mazda , Toyota and Honda oil filters under microscope. Thank you for all these hard work man 👍
Jeah no more marketing over engineering with this detective work. I would take the Mahle in the first place but after this video.... Its not terrible but the other is definitiv better.
The made in China Mahle information seems all over the place, and the link no help. Despite what it says in link, I don't believe the Mahle media is full synthetic, "(synthetic layers, no cellulose"). At the very most maybe a blended cellulose with some synthetic fibers. Also, I don't trust the word of mouth efficiency information either. Why not publish it if legit. Beyond that, the Mahle does look to be a decently made filter. The Champ XL seems like a gloried version of the Super Tech MP series filter, maybe media slightly better or more of it. Should compare it to the MP4967 to see what the difference is. If choosing between the two, choose the XL for made in US, more media and guessing price much less than Mahle. Thanks for vid.
Hi faxmen09, I would take the Champ also, but check out this website, talks about Mahle filters going from cellulose to synthetic but gives no micron rating. www.mahle-aftermarket.com/na/en/products-and-services/filters/oil-filters/#spin-onoilfilterswelllubricated
@@WhipCityWrencher Thanks for the link Whip and sure enough it says, "polyester". So I stand corrected. Tha said, it's not the full synthetic glass depth media found on Royal Purple/Amsoil and the new Fram Endurance. Also Puro Boss, Wix XP/Napa Platinum. And can't forget the OG media Ultra XP was full synthetic too. Note, all those require some type of backing, wire or polymer mesh. Gues I'll conclude, more durable than cellulose media but not as good as the micro-glass depth media filters. As for efficiency, info seems unreliable, not published. But what was found, not that good anyway.
Champion Labs has always made good filters and offered them at very competitive prices. I've used them on various vehicles over decades without incident. Truth be known I can't say that I've ever had a bad oil filter experience even with the orange can of death! Made in USA used to mean something. Not sure it does anymore, but they're still great filters. Keep these wonderful videos coming!
Only about 50 sq. in of media for both of these! I think that's a record for some of the least filter media in a filter? Even other "small" filters are usually between 100 sq. in to 150 sq. in. I guess it's due to the large centre tubes on both of these filter elements, even though Toyota use a 3/4" (~19mm) boss which is smaller than the M20 boss on other filters.
@@WhipCityWrencher LOL...all this is very funny...hard to know who makes what these days. The name on the product seems to mean nothing...thanks for all your effort doing these analyses...
The Champ looks pretty good. More and more Mann+Hummel and Mahle are calling themselves 'global brands' and sourcing the filters from all over the planet, mostly 3rd World countries, if you're still allowed to say that. I believe Fram has the most consistent 'US Made' coverage, but they even supply some of their catalog of numbers from the import market. The Mahle doesn't look bad but I wouldn't use it for reasons other than country of origin. You can get a better version for the same or a little bit more money.
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With the information available, I would take the ChampXL over the Mahle.
I worked about 15 years in the automotive aftermarket industry. I used to deal with Beck/Arnley, they are an odd company. Sometimes you’ll get a reboxed OEM part, sometimes an aftermarket part; but very rarely a part they make themselves. Like for instance if you buy an ABS sensor for a Toyota, you might get an OEM Toyota part, might get a Denso, or something else.
Yep. Denso makes alot of OEM parts also.. Usually the non OEM is identical and cheaper.
Thanks for Sharing Eric👍
I was going to point out the same thing, it's kind of like NAPA/Balkamp. I think Big A was like that too. I have bought parts like that before that were re-boxed OEM for less than 1/2 the cost. I bought a brand new Chrysler starter once (old style) with the part number stamped on it but no star from a company boxing parts in Indiana for about $35. I think they were the original suppliers to Chrysler under contract.
I know what you mean. I used to get B/A parts for my Simca and Opel during the Seventies and most of the time they were really Bosch parts in the box.
I would choose the ChampXL. More filter media and the silicone drainback valve.
The spring in the filter is actually called a "pressure differential regulator" per 'Uncle Tony's Garage' YT channel per April 23, 2023 video at about 4:55 into the video. "Uncle Tony" is an interesting guy.
Hi Jim,
I watched the video but it really doesn't matter what you call it it does the same thing. LOL
@@WhipCityWrencher Understood. He was actually correcting himself from the previous video he made. I also found the Oberg filter to be interesting as it can be loaded with two 28 micron filters.
Good morning Pete, another cool video my friend. I always look forward to them. Have a great weekend.
Good morning and Thank You!
Have a great weekend also👍
I like the Champ better ...better filtering media and silicone anti drain back valve.
Great job Pete as usual 👍
Thanks, Dwayne👍
When someone at BITOG emailed Champ Labs in the past about the micron rating of Champ XL filters they said it was 99% at 20 microns.
Recently, I've been seeing a significant amount of what I consider unreliable and/or second hand information there. If it's such a great filter why not publish the efficiency information on the box or elsewhere for all to read? It's done on the Super Tech MP series made by the same company, Champ Labs. Personally, I don't trust word of mouth only information.
It could be, but I went with the micron ratings of the other filters they make. Namely, the Supertechs because the filters are so much alike.
@@WhipCityWrencher Honestly Whip, I think if it's not published somewhere, defaulting to other similar Champ Labs made filters, the correct thing to do. Even the M1 previously made by Champ was the rating you gave.
@@faxmen09 True, and the K&N Select filters also
Happy weekend friend thanks for your imformative channel 👍
Hi Christina,
Have a great weekend as well👍
The concern is that the Mahle Filter was from 2018.Are they still made the same in 2023?
i would take the champ. silicone anti drainback, the filter media is way better on the champ
The Champs seems better; I also like the fact it's from the "Good USA". Another awesome video/review Pete! TFS Have an awesome weekend! Merri :)
Hi Merri, I like the Made in USA also👍
Have a Great Weekend👍
Great video..
Thank You👍
Happy Friday!! A
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Excellent video Pete. Champ all the way. This just proves why I would never ever use a Chinese critical part. Doesn't matter who's name is on it...
Thanks👍
Champ is the champ!
Thanks, Pete and Roberto.
Champ for the win. It's not bad for a lower price point filter. l really liked the base plate with all those inlet holes on the Champ.
You're Welcome Jonathan👍
They both do the same job, the desiding factor is the price.
Wow..I've heard of Champ brand filters..I'm interested..they both seem like great filters
I give this one to the champ XL it has more and better media and a silicon anti-drain back valve, I used a Mahle filter on my Tacoma 4 liters previously, and I had to remove it because the anti-drain back valve was leaking so they won't sell me another one.
Definitely the champ it does look alot like a supertech which are good low price filters ! thanks for reminding me its friday ! Lol ! 👍👍👍
Hi Scotty,
Saturday now, have a great weekend😊👍
Champ looks like it's own version of the ST. Be fine for 1 year, 4-6K .Not a fan of these long life filters over 20-25 microns. Less filtering for more miles is a garbage idea.
Come on Whipper.. you are supposed to say.. "This is THE sticker".. Not "This is sticker" LOL
Little disappointed in the Mahle filter. They always had a really good reputation for delivering high-quality products. In fact, a lot of Land Rover guys use these filters.
I like the under microscope part. I like to see amsoil and oem mazda , Toyota and Honda oil filters under microscope. Thank you for all these hard work man 👍
You're Welcome👍
Keep watching, eventually, you'll see your filter. Thanks!
Jay the Florida pool pump motor repair guy. When Service Calls Longwood approved ! that was good info 2 see& know👨🔧good job !! Whip City Wrencer 😃
Thanks Jay👍
Jeah no more marketing over engineering with this detective work.
I would take the Mahle in the first place but after this video....
Its not terrible but the other is definitiv better.
The made in China Mahle information seems all over the place, and the link no help. Despite what it says in link, I don't believe the Mahle media is full synthetic, "(synthetic layers, no cellulose"). At the very most maybe a blended cellulose with some synthetic fibers. Also, I don't trust the word of mouth efficiency information either. Why not publish it if legit. Beyond that, the Mahle does look to be a decently made filter. The Champ XL seems like a gloried version of the Super Tech MP series filter, maybe media slightly better or more of it. Should compare it to the MP4967 to see what the difference is. If choosing between the two, choose the XL for made in US, more media and guessing price much less than Mahle. Thanks for vid.
You're Welcome faxmen09👍
Hi faxmen09,
I would take the Champ also, but check out this website, talks about Mahle filters going from cellulose to synthetic but gives no micron rating. www.mahle-aftermarket.com/na/en/products-and-services/filters/oil-filters/#spin-onoilfilterswelllubricated
@@WhipCityWrencher Thanks for the link Whip and sure enough it says, "polyester". So I stand corrected. Tha said, it's not the full synthetic glass depth media found on Royal Purple/Amsoil and the new Fram Endurance. Also Puro Boss, Wix XP/Napa Platinum. And can't forget the OG media Ultra XP was full synthetic too. Note, all those require some type of backing, wire or polymer mesh. Gues I'll conclude, more durable than cellulose media but not as good as the micro-glass depth media filters. As for efficiency, info seems unreliable, not published. But what was found, not that good anyway.
Champion Labs has always made good filters and offered them at very competitive prices. I've used them on various vehicles over decades without incident. Truth be known I can't say that I've ever had a bad oil filter experience even with the orange can of death! Made in USA used to mean something. Not sure it does anymore, but they're still great filters. Keep these wonderful videos coming!
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I like champ labs filters. But I wish they would use a metal crimp on the seam instead of glue
I prefer the metal crimped seams also.👍
Champ!
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Only about 50 sq. in of media for both of these! I think that's a record for some of the least filter media in a filter? Even other "small" filters are usually between 100 sq. in to 150 sq. in. I guess it's due to the large centre tubes on both of these filter elements, even though Toyota use a 3/4" (~19mm) boss which is smaller than the M20 boss on other filters.
Yep, these are baby oil filters.🤣
The Champ looks remarkably similar (less the orange drawback valve) to the ACDelco PF1233
Hi Larry,
The ACDelco oil filters are made by Champ Labs.
@@WhipCityWrencher LOL...all this is very funny...hard to know who makes what these days. The name on the product seems to mean nothing...thanks for all your effort doing these analyses...
@@VE8HL 😊👍
Ott whah
Seem like pretty small filters for a 2.5L in an SUV, especially the Mahle.
Yes, they are small oil filters, but that's what the Toyota in the video calls for.
Thanks!
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Thanks, Roberto, and Thanks for the oil filter👍
The Champ looks pretty good. More and more Mann+Hummel and Mahle are calling themselves 'global brands' and sourcing the filters from all over the planet, mostly 3rd World countries, if you're still allowed to say that. I believe Fram has the most consistent 'US Made' coverage, but they even supply some of their catalog of numbers from the import market. The Mahle doesn't look bad but I wouldn't use it for reasons other than country of origin. You can get a better version for the same or a little bit more money.
Hi Vince,
Thanks for your feedback👍