I think this is the first time watching your videos that glue has actually separated. Very interesting. Although I hope the chunks were caught in the filter, I wonder how many engines have been ruined by glue coming undone and getting into the VVT system.
Been using Motorcraft on my 2014 F150 for most of it's life but switched last year due to multiple videos of poor quality control issues. Used Carquest Prem. the past two oil changes and has done a good job, but i think i'll pay the extra cash and try the Wix XP next time. Great video!
Another very good video. Looks like both filters did their job very well. As I have mentioned in past comments, I have been a motorcraft filter user and fan for years with no issues. Keep up the great work!
@@kenj.8897 KenJ The glue discussion happened at the end of the video and I had already posted my comment. To that point, all looked okay. I believe that is a turbo motor, so the soot was expected and did not concern me. Maybe heat caused by the turbo caused the glue issue?
@@kbeg132 yeah who knows on the glue . My truck takes the Motorcraft 820 s , I cut it open because I had to see. 800 miles and it was deformed with wide pleat spacing. With only 80% at 20 micron I said never again Motorcraft.
@@kenj.8897 Makes sense. I used motorcraft filters exclusively on my Ford 500 that I owned for 11 years with no issues. That said, this video makes me think twice.
I use the motorcraft 910 in my Ford Focus, was great two years ago when they were $3.97 new, but inflation has since more than doubled the price currently $8.44 on amz and walmart
The price actually changed because Ford is using a new supplier for the filters is what I've seen on the internet. They used Purolator for a long time and now Champion is making the filters, and thus the glue issue.
I try not to miss any of these videos for this reason ! glad the oil filters did there job ! these newer engines with direct injection need more attention than most ! Forbid anything greater than 500 + microns blocking an essential passageway ! great choice of engine oils ! I use them both with great results !
I have hundreds of thousands of miles using exclusively FL910S filters. I like cheap synthetic oil and cheap motorcraft filters and change every 5k. Oil and filters are not expensive and the quality is great.
Wife’s escape at 160K on the 2.0 EB with FL 910 filters. The key is not to extend past 5-6k on these direct injection engines. The fuel dilution is so bad at 8-10k if you try to extend it out. 5w-30 for EB not 5w-20
I'm a bonafied gearhead, always have been and something I'm really big on is protection and preservation of my vehicles. I've got a 2016 F150 5.0 and used Motorcraft filters only in the beginning. After many youtube videos and a bunch of reading, I only use WIX oil filters now. Motorcraft filters are made by Purolator, which aren't bad, but WIX beat them out every time. Great video! Short sweet and to the point! I like it!😎
It used to be that you could buy any Wix oil filter and be guaranteed that it was made in Gastonia, NC and was a well made product but with Mann Hummel’s purchase of the company it’s not that way anymore.
Wife’s escape at 160K on the 2.0 EB with FL 910 filters. The key is not to extend past 5-6k on these direct injection engines. The fuel dilution is so bad at 8-10k if you try to extend it out.
Good vid. That glue problem with the Motorcraft is one of the reasons I stopped using them. I'm glad I'm not the only one to see this now, and I've seen it on the 910S, 400S, and 500S. I've used them exclusively for years because of the base-end bypass but every single one I've cut open over the past couple of years had that glue separation from the end cap. Clean separation just like that and it's not springy and pliable. Makes me wonder how good of a job it's doing sealing. Outside of that, the Wix media had some larger gaps in it under the microscope. Understandable since it's one of those long-life filters but that media was pretty inconsistent.
For the two Ford vehicles I owned in the past, I always used Motorcraft oil filters. For both applications, I never saw another brand filter that had the base end bypass and silicone anti-drainback valve. In both cases, the filters were always less than $4 at Walmart. Not the best filtration number I see though. Wix used to have a base end bypass but recently moved away from it - probably a cost saving measure.
In my opinion unless you live in an extremely cold environment or you abuse your engine by not changing the oil at decent intervals the chances of it ever having to bypass is probably zero.
@@Brandon57871 Agreed Brandon. Best information says bypass events are rare and of short duration when they do occur. Fact is vast majority of oil filters use dome end bypass. And in the case of Wix/Napa Gold (same filters) that bypass piece occupied a lot of space that could be used for increased media area. Especially noticeable in small application filters.
A roughly 3500 mil interval is to short for me and my Escape 1.5L EcoBoost. I verify mine with UOA and have almost a perfect driving cycle. At 7500 miles, there is still plenty of life remaining on the Penz Platinum. The Platinum SP GF6A rating is the best service rating you can do for a DI EcoBoost right now and Platinum has a industry beatingly low NOACK and low Calcium, both of which help with LSPI and deposits. Couple mine with a Fram Ultra filter but I wouldn't hesitate to used a Wix XP. Wouldn't touch the Motorcraft with a 10 footer. Nowhere near a high enough efficiency rating IMO. Par for the course with MC, who make a nicely built filter overall but saddle it with mediocre media. Like the base end bypass feature of the MC but the difference between the locations doesn't amount to much overall if you never allow the filter to bypass (the driver can control that by using the right viscosity and getting the oil good and warm before putting the hammer down).
That's disappointing on the Motorcraft. At one time I used them on all of my mowers and home back up generator. I think I'm going to switch over to the Wix or the SuperTech 3614 (can't remember the exact number) blue can. Thank you for all you do!!
My guess is the black stuff caught in the filter media is glue from the Motorcraft filter. The wix was still cleaning it out since it was used after the Motorcraft.
@@GT-mn3bx do you mean Purolator one is half the price of Royal Purple or AMS oil filters? You are absolutely correct it is. Purolator one is also synthetic media and not micro glass media. You want the best filter media (micro glass) you will pay for it. From the limited research I have done Royal Purple and AMS oil filters are the only ones that state their media is micro glass. That is the difference and that is why those oil filter cost more.
The royal purple filters have notably less oil flow in response to the filter media. In an f150 like mine, oil flow is more important than being below 35 microns. You cannot have your cake and eat it too, everything is a trade off.
Great job, Pete, I really like that upper bypass valve that Ford has on their filters. However, I’m not too keen on the fact that the glue broke up and went all over the place when you cut it open.
@Davido50 the motorcraft is better and cheaper than the wix xp. That glue is a 1 out of a million chance. The sludge in the motorcraft is because pennzoil ultra platinum has a lot more detergent than the valvoline.
I use wix for non synthetic oil and the XP for synthetic oil. I have no issues. I am rebuilding a 5.7 vortec. I need to get a filter cutter to check for metal through out my break in time. Oil change at 500 miles and 1000 miles. Thanks for the vid.
Indeed depending on the orientation of the oilfilter, the location of the bypass valve can be crucial. Most screwed on oil filter are mounted from underneath. The bypass valve near the mounting threads like the motorcraft is than way safer as the debri stays down on the bottom of the filter. Quite bad that the glue came off of the motorcraft and crumbled. Seen it also with a mobil 1 extended filter you opened up. The endcaps came both loose. Rainman Ray's Repairs had an failed engine with such a mobil 1 filter were both endcaps came loose. Makes you wonder whether it contributed to the engine failure.
The best way to check for metal contamination is to cut off the end caps and remove the crimp or glue from the media ends. Fold the media like a accordion and put in the jaws of a vice. Squeeze it until no oil comes out. Unfold the media. If you do it right it will be as dry as a new filter. The metal particles will stand out from the media in a bright light. The normal used engine oil film on the media will have a tendency to hide some contamination.
Motorcraft filter was disappointing ,I always use car company recommended filters ,but this is disturbing to me as I change my own oil ,I can not put up with my oil filter failing on my expensive engine ,thanks ,Ford needs to step up on quality control on their oil filters ,this a very important part of an engine for this to happen this is unacceptable to me ,very informative
I like the silicone ADB, the base-end bypass valve, and the price of the FL910S. I have two of them on two of my non-Ford vehicles now. I have used them on other vehicles previously. I have cut them open after service and was satisfied with what residual I saw in the can. I never observed loose glue like this. Now, seeing the loose glue in this can and suspecting more came loose inside the filter and circulated through the engine, I cannot trust them for my vehicles from now on. What a shame.
I removed a 910S from one of my vehicles two weeks ago -- 3700 miles of use. Most of it looked good. However, there was a spot on one end of the filter media at which there was no potting adhesive holding the pleats to the end cap, about 3-4 pleats. So oil could flow through this unsealed location without being filtered. But there were no flecks and no loose chunks of adhesive as observed in this video, which was really good.
Interesting. Every time I purchase an oil filter I peak down to see if there looks like excess glue used during assembly. It is something I have wondered about, if the glue would come apart during operation. I'll admit I like the FoMo filters because of the bypass valve design but what you presented here will make me think twice.
Super video. I look at the pleats from both makers and W looks more every gray (meaning that soot is trapped in substrate as well as folds) whereas M looks like mostly black along the folds. Highly unscientific, obviously.
I don't know if you will see this on an old video but I cut open 4 motorcraft filters and 3 of them the end caps came off and one of them the glue was split on one side. Also on 2 of them the filter media was torn in the same spot by the metal crimp and it was where the pleats were the widest. All filters had at minimum 5k miles on them from customer vehicles. Also I know this video is old but I noticed the end cap came loose at 7:48 where you was measuring the width of the filter.
@WhipCityWrencher oh sorry I currently don't have any videos, I just meant that I cut up some at work. If I had some way to share the pictures with you I would but could always throw together a short clip. I also meant older video because your this video I commented on was a year old.
@WhipCityWrencher yeah I recently picked up a few wix xp filters but noticed between the two filters 51348 and 57502 the media appeared to be different color. And on the box they don't show or mention wire backing anymore. Not sure if there still is or they just don't mention it anymore because it doesn't have it. Alot of them seem to be cheaping out and removing features that made them good. Especially with the now cheaper champ made motorcraft filters.
@@motorhead45102 The Wix XP should have a Polymer screen backing similar to the Purolator Boss oil filters. I opened one up on Friday 3-22-24 and another one on Friday 3-29-24 also I open up a New Motorcraft on Friday 4-5-24.
That's a thorough video there! All the parts that go into a disposable oil filter! Why did the industry move away from the days where engines had a canister with a replaceable paper element like a air filter that would be changed out instead of all that wasted steel that just goes to a landfill, or needs to be recycled which uses more energy! Yes, there may be a few car engines using just an element these days, two of which I owned: 2008 Caddy SRX V-6 and a VW diesel TDi. Any comments?
I'm trying to find a larger oil filter for a 2021 Ford EcoSport 2.0 AWD. An FL400S equivalent....I think. Maybe a Mobil 1. I can't find what I need. A bit leery about the Purolator Boss. Afraid it will go into bypass too easily running 5W-30 synthetic. I refuse to use 5W-20.
@Thomas-fj8ol Hey, thanks. I did end up using the Purolator Boss 400S equivalent. It's working fine with 5W-30. Meijer brand synthetic. Highline Warren LLC. Good stuff. Same as Super Tech. Runs quieter. Much smoother than 5W-20. Did my own recent oil change and am happy with it. Gonna go 6 months on it seeing as how I don't put a lot of miles on my machine.
20 micron is what matters. Any cheap filter does 30 no problem that's why motorcraft test theirs down to 20. Its what gets by after 30 that scratches the cylinder walls so motorcraft is honest about their Filters ability
I quoted an old micron rating on the Motorcraft filter from the O'Reilly website, some of these places dont update their specs. This is what the Motorcraft (95% particles greater than 30 microns) is claiming their micron rating is these days, go to the 1:40 mark in the video.ruclips.net/video/4at4X8TZOlw/видео.html&ab_channel=FordandMotorcraftParts
Pennzoil was purchased by Shell Oil in 2011. Totally reformulated. The waxy sludge issue is an issue from way back (80's, maybe 90's). The Natural gas derived Pennzoil Platinum is a great oil. Wins many competitions/comparisons.
What they said was correct. The old Pennsoil oil was known for building waxy sludge in the 70s and 80s. The Pennsoil Synthetic Platinum oil of today is completely different. Look up Project Farm's U tube testing of engine oils. It was either #1 oe 2 best!. Its (kinda like the old Fram orange oil filters) I always considered garbage after I cut one open 30 yrs ago. But today their gold synthetic filter is one of the best. Swore I'd never use a Fram for decades, but I am using the Gold ones now.
If I'm not mistaken, both of these filters are made by Purolator, which is under Mann & Hummel. It's interesting that the glue curing defect was only showing on one of them. Have you seen glue defects like this appear at a higher rate on M&H filters? I might consider just getting a Microgard Select instead!
Hi John, I think this is the only used filter that did a lousy job. The black glue is soft most of the time while the off-white glue on some of the oil filters is very hard. In my opinion (off-white) is a better glue.
@@WhipCityWrencher thanks for your insight, Whip. I can't recall, but did that Vietnam made Microgard Select have the white glue or the black? I might have to check that video again.
Hi Christina, If you bring it to a quick lube, one has to wonder if they even change the oil at some of these places. If you have a knowledgeable automotive friend that could do a before and after check would be a good idea.
Nonsense. I own ecoboost engines (2.0 and 2.7) with no issues using Motorcraft filters and oil with 5k mile oil changes. The 2.0 has 145k miles and the inside of the engine looks brand new under the oil fill cap. Never had one issue. the 2.7 has 90k and is clean as well. Change your oil at 5k and use the manufacturer recommended oil and filter.
I’ve always changed my Escape Ecoboost 2.0 at 5,000 miles with full synthetic. I have 166,500 miles (2013). I just started changing the oil at 4,000 miles. Way too much fuel dilution at even 4,000 miles and the oil looks like crap. I mainly drive around town in the Chicago burbs. 10% highway driving.
WIX XP all the way, manufacturers also recommend 10k oil changes, why do they do that. Because they do not want your car to last, they want you to buy a new one.
No. No. No. Just look at Kia & Hyundai. Their engines have issues, and they had to extend the warranty to 150k miles. Manufacturers want your engine to last. The fact is, oil lasts 10k-20k miles. @MrACP
Hello sir! I own an EU model Volvo V40 2017… will you be interested in cartridge filters as well? If you like, i can send two different filters I just replaced. It’s a Mann and a Bosch made filter.
I would lean towards engine operation is why you see soot . Usually that's a sign of poor timing or too much idling could be as simple as an air filter plugged up. But if that's also filter material then it could be a problem. I've seen napa filter failures on a certain brand of diesel engine. If memory serves our motorcraft made by purolator? The only other thing I've ever seen was with rotella products having a sludge issue.
I'd have a hard time paying $16 for a 3 month OCI filter. I mostly used $4 MC filters for 200k every 5k on syn blend QS without hesitation. I've never seen any particular matter in my old oil either. I pour through a screened funnel when recycling old oil. Wonder if the glue just stays in the filter or if the MC filter examined was a fluke?
On my wife’s 2018 Escape with 2.2 Ecoboost, the filter mounts hanging vertically. Doesn’t really even need an antidrainback valve. Car takes this same filter.
Dirty oil and dirty filters tell you how well the oil is cleaning your engine. Clean oil might just be not very well at removing carbon from the engine internals
Nice presentation. Its too bad that your filter donor had not run the same oil thru BOTH filters for a more balanced exam of the filter contents. The two oils are different and therefore will yield two different results / debris. Valvoline is a much better oil and yields less debris inside the filter than Pennzoil will. This is also why the Motorcraft oil filter is considered better than the WIX and other's because their pressure relief and bypass valves are located in the top of the canister by the threads instead of down inside the bottom if debris gets thru the media and settles down where the others' valves are! This comparison only applies to the original basic oils offered by these companies and does NOT apply to the specialty oils they now offer with varying additives and synthetic properties. Thanks 😊
The 3 cyl ecoboost family uses a wet timing belt (rubber belt that is exposed to oil), and they can fail prematurely as soon as 50k miles. Hopefully, that is indeed glue and not the start of belt failure!
Have you ever thought, my dear friend, that in the Motorcraft filter ALL the dirt has remained once and forever in the "dirty part" of the filter, having no way to penetrate through the filter, while in the Wix filter the dirt is washed off from the dirty outer surfaces of the filter and through the bypass valve - constantly gets, for example, when the oil is thick - again into the "clean zone" ??? Oh my god: do you all lack a little imagination is to understand this simple thing???
they both seem to be doing their jobs well.i hope ford keeps the bypass valve at the entrance.i could never see the logic in having your oil wash dirt off the media on the way to be bypassed, & sending it straight to the bearings.NOT SMART. basically it just holds the dirt until it recirculates under bypass conditions.just plain dumb in my oppinion.its not much of a filter to function like that.
never hav i seen anything like this before... glue failure like that should never happen... while they look the same, bet they were made in 2 entirely different factories...
WIX All that glue all over the place inside the MotorCraft filter looked like coffee grounds. What a mess that can't be good for a car's engine. Also the micron rating WIX 99% (35 microns) vs MotorCraft 80% (20 microns). Also preferred the ADBV on the WIX brighter and smoother. MotorCraft had those nubs on its ADBV protruding outwards unlike the smoothness of the WIX. Overall build quality as well leaned me towards the WIX I'd pick the WIX here 👍
the Motorcraft is a Purolator and it is a typical Purolator poor quality! more glue should be better! right? more glue the better 😀 I choose Wix even if I was a bit disappointed by the media quality.
Fram gettin' better but still not good enough I'll stick to the higher flow rate and 98.7 efficiency @ 20 micron not greater than Amsoil Eao line oil filter however that Fram Endurance oil filter media is way better than the ultra because it's 100% Synthetic fiber the Ultra isn't it's a paper cellulouse Synthetic blend. Old tech.
It can also be the gasoline going into the engine, Like oil gasoline in always made different, so if you buy gas a different source, and the gasoline is made poor or from a cheap company. The oil will be dirty from the cheap gas.
I think its the oil choice. My Dad would never use Pennzoil. His famous quote was I would never put Pennzoil in a lawnmower. Pennzoil is a paraffin based oil which leaves paraffin behind. It's the same material that is used in candle making. Castrol is an asphalt based oil which in my opinion much better.
It may have been bad years ago, but I think it's a very good oil now. I use the Pennzoil Platinum In my vehicle and it seems to run quieter. UOA's look fine also.
@@WhipCityWrencher The EcoBoost engines blow up here in Europe. A rubber timing belt, soluble in oil but running itself in oil, is the most stupid idea in the history of internal combustion engines. 🤭🤣
@@WhipCityWrencher A timing belt doesn't need to be bad. If it's well-made, wide and thick enough - no problem! But you shouldn't let it soak 24/7/365 with hot engine oil. 🤭 Volkswagen/Audi/Seat/Skoda had their (homemade) problems with timing chains aswell. Tiny chains that you wouldn't want to have on your bicycle, they squeezed the price for the manufacturer more and more, and then oil-change intervals of over 30,000 km or 20,000 mi with the thinnest fuel-saving oils possible - that was too much for the chains! And for adding insult to injury they had faulty tensioners, too. And pistons. And pison rings. And journals. And oil pumps. And oil-pressure regulating software. And valves for the oil-operated cam-adjusters. And cams. ... 🤪
They are using the wrong type of oil for the Ford they need to be using mobile 1 plus it's the gas also cheap gas can cause problems premium is a better choice
something people don't think about is when you use like a wicks or a K&N filter yes they may filter better however the thing is is with the more filtration cleats that they have the more likely the bypass valve is going to open up on it and then it's just gonna be backwashing the filter and not even filtering your oil so the reality is is the "better" oil filters are actually causing more damage and shortening the life of your engine. Just stick with OEM and change them every 3000 to 6000 miles.
Poke a wire, nail,skewer stick thru one or two inlet holes and set a day on filter drip on drain pan folks. Drains very well.
I use a Q-Tip now, less likely to tear or poke a hole in the anti-drain back valve.
Qtipit kidders. Lol I be busted using a bulldozer to landscape the lil missz pottery garden hoho 000h yes dear uhuh I got it. ...... been there! Lol
I think this is the first time watching your videos that glue has actually separated. Very interesting. Although I hope the chunks were caught in the filter, I wonder how many engines have been ruined by glue coming undone and getting into the VVT system.
Been using Motorcraft on my 2014 F150 for most of it's life but switched last year due to multiple videos of poor quality control issues. Used Carquest Prem. the past two oil changes and has done a good job, but i think i'll pay the extra cash and try the Wix XP next time. Great video!
Thanks👍
Another very good video. Looks like both filters did their job very well. As I have mentioned in past comments, I have been a motorcraft filter user and fan for years with no issues. Keep up the great work!
Hi Kevin,
Thanks!
How can you say the Motorcraft did well ? The glue failed
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KenJ
The glue discussion happened at the end of the video and I had already posted my comment. To that point, all looked okay. I believe that is a turbo motor, so the soot was expected and did not concern me. Maybe heat caused by the turbo caused the glue issue?
@@kbeg132 yeah who knows on the glue . My truck takes the Motorcraft 820 s , I cut it open because I had to see. 800 miles and it was deformed with wide pleat spacing. With only 80% at 20 micron I said never again Motorcraft.
@@kenj.8897
Makes sense. I used motorcraft filters exclusively on my Ford 500 that I owned for 11 years with no issues. That said, this video makes me think twice.
I use the motorcraft 910 in my Ford Focus, was great two years ago when they were $3.97 new, but inflation has since more than doubled the price currently $8.44 on amz and walmart
The price actually changed because Ford is using a new supplier for the filters is what I've seen on the internet. They used Purolator for a long time and now Champion is making the filters, and thus the glue issue.
I have been running WIX for the last 15 years. Good stuff!
I try not to miss any of these videos for this reason ! glad the oil filters did there job ! these newer engines with direct injection need more attention than most ! Forbid anything greater than 500 + microns blocking an essential passageway ! great choice of engine oils ! I use them both with great results !
Hi Scotty
Thanks for Sharing!
I have hundreds of thousands of miles using exclusively FL910S filters. I like cheap synthetic oil and cheap motorcraft filters and change every 5k. Oil and filters are not expensive and the quality is great.
Thanks for your feedback👍
Thanks, interesting way oci,
Problem is motorcraft has cheapened their filters by recently changing distributors. Not happy as that’s what I usually use
Wife’s escape at 160K on the 2.0 EB with FL 910 filters. The key is not to extend past 5-6k on these direct injection engines. The fuel dilution is so bad at 8-10k if you try to extend it out. 5w-30 for EB not 5w-20
Motorcraft filters cannot be trusted. Time and time again they fail. Another great video by The mighty WHIP . 👍
Thank Ken!😊
Love the upper bypass of the Motorcraft, but I like the filter media of the Wix XP better. Nice job Pete.
Thanks, Robert.
I'm a bonafied gearhead, always have been and something I'm really big on is protection and preservation of my vehicles. I've got a 2016 F150 5.0 and used Motorcraft filters only in the beginning. After many youtube videos and a bunch of reading, I only use WIX oil filters now. Motorcraft filters are made by Purolator, which aren't bad, but WIX beat them out every time. Great video! Short sweet and to the point! I like it!😎
Thank You and Thanks for Sharing👍
The 5.0 is solid along with the 6.2. You made a wise choice. The ecoboosts are trash. You have a steel pan, not plastic or leaking turbos & pan.
The motocraft's glue breaking down is kind of disturbing to me. That is the kind of garbage that can clog a piston oil squirter.
I always use Wix filters.
Wix xp synthetic wire backed media and metal end caps instead of the crappy fram cellulose media cardboard end caps
It used to be that you could buy any Wix oil filter and be guaranteed that it was made in Gastonia, NC and was a well made product but with Mann Hummel’s purchase of the company it’s not that way anymore.
Wife’s escape at 160K on the 2.0 EB with FL 910 filters. The key is not to extend past 5-6k on these direct injection engines. The fuel dilution is so bad at 8-10k if you try to extend it out.
Good vid. That glue problem with the Motorcraft is one of the reasons I stopped using them. I'm glad I'm not the only one to see this now, and I've seen it on the 910S, 400S, and 500S. I've used them exclusively for years because of the base-end bypass but every single one I've cut open over the past couple of years had that glue separation from the end cap. Clean separation just like that and it's not springy and pliable. Makes me wonder how good of a job it's doing sealing. Outside of that, the Wix media had some larger gaps in it under the microscope. Understandable since it's one of those long-life filters but that media was pretty inconsistent.
Thanks! and
Thanks for Sharing!👍
So nice of Dwayne to send you these two filters! Another detailed inspection! Thanks for sharing! Have a great week! 👍
Hi Ella, Thanks!
Have a great week also!👍
@@WhipCityWrencher Thanks! 😊
For the two Ford vehicles I owned in the past, I always used Motorcraft oil filters. For both applications, I never saw another brand filter that had the base end bypass and silicone anti-drainback valve. In both cases, the filters were always less than $4 at Walmart. Not the best filtration number I see though. Wix used to have a base end bypass but recently moved away from it - probably a cost saving measure.
Hi Jeff,
In my opinion, Wix should have kept those bypass valves.
@@WhipCityWrencher You mean Wix should have kept *Base-end* bypass valves type?
@@Andrew__Smith Yes, i like the Base end bypass valves.
In my opinion unless you live in an extremely cold environment or you abuse your engine by not changing the oil at decent intervals the chances of it ever having to bypass is probably zero.
@@Brandon57871 Agreed Brandon. Best information says bypass events are rare and of short duration when they do occur. Fact is vast majority of oil filters use dome end bypass. And in the case of Wix/Napa Gold (same filters) that bypass piece occupied a lot of space that could be used for increased media area. Especially noticeable in small application filters.
A roughly 3500 mil interval is to short for me and my Escape 1.5L EcoBoost. I verify mine with UOA and have almost a perfect driving cycle. At 7500 miles, there is still plenty of life remaining on the Penz Platinum. The Platinum SP GF6A rating is the best service rating you can do for a DI EcoBoost right now and Platinum has a industry beatingly low NOACK and low Calcium, both of which help with LSPI and deposits. Couple mine with a Fram Ultra filter but I wouldn't hesitate to used a Wix XP. Wouldn't touch the Motorcraft with a 10 footer. Nowhere near a high enough efficiency rating IMO. Par for the course with MC, who make a nicely built filter overall but saddle it with mediocre media. Like the base end bypass feature of the MC but the difference between the locations doesn't amount to much overall if you never allow the filter to bypass (the driver can control that by using the right viscosity and getting the oil good and warm before putting the hammer down).
That's disappointing on the Motorcraft. At one time I used them on all of my mowers and home back up generator. I think I'm going to switch over to the Wix or the SuperTech 3614 (can't remember the exact number) blue can. Thank you for all you do!!
Hi Jeff,
That could be the 3614 here's a comparison video I did on them.ruclips.net/video/ehpiU1cJUs0/видео.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
My guess is the black stuff caught in the filter media is glue from the Motorcraft filter. The wix was still cleaning it out since it was used after the Motorcraft.
You did a great job Pete! Great video. No more motorcraft filters for me. Still looking for a good filter. I want 99% @ 20 microns.
Royal purple or AMS oil are probably the two best on the market currently. They both have micro glass filter media.
Glad you liked the video Dwayne, Thanks for the filters!👍
@@robshaw2990 Purolator One is half price.
@@GT-mn3bx do you mean Purolator one is half the price of Royal Purple or AMS oil filters? You are absolutely correct it is.
Purolator one is also synthetic media and not micro glass media. You want the best filter media (micro glass) you will pay for it. From the limited research I have done Royal Purple and AMS oil filters are the only ones that state their media is micro glass. That is the difference and that is why those oil filter cost more.
The royal purple filters have notably less oil flow in response to the filter media. In an f150 like mine, oil flow is more important than being below 35 microns.
You cannot have your cake and eat it too, everything is a trade off.
Great job, Pete, I really like that upper bypass valve that Ford has on their filters. However, I’m not too keen on the fact that the glue broke up and went all over the place when you cut it open.
Hi Jim,
Yep, me neither.
Overall Motorcraft OEM filters are some of if not the best OEM filters out there esp for price pt!
If I remember correctly Wix makes the motorcraft filters
@@wanderer418 It's Wix or Purolator to Fords stringent specs.
@Davido50 the motorcraft is better and cheaper than the wix xp. That glue is a 1 out of a million chance. The sludge in the motorcraft is because pennzoil ultra platinum has a lot more detergent than the valvoline.
I use wix for non synthetic oil and the XP for synthetic oil. I have no issues. I am rebuilding a 5.7 vortec. I need to get a filter cutter to check for metal through out my break in time. Oil change at 500 miles and 1000 miles. Thanks for the vid.
Indeed depending on the orientation of the oilfilter, the location of the bypass valve can be crucial. Most screwed on oil filter are mounted from underneath. The bypass valve near the mounting threads like the motorcraft is than way safer as the debri stays down on the bottom of the filter.
Quite bad that the glue came off of the motorcraft and crumbled. Seen it also with a mobil 1 extended filter you opened up. The endcaps came both loose. Rainman Ray's Repairs had an failed engine with such a mobil 1 filter were both endcaps came loose. Makes you wonder whether it contributed to the engine failure.
Thanksto your videos we would never know about oil filters .
Thanks, David👍
Glad you like the videos, I appreciate it.😊
The best way to check for metal contamination is to cut off the end caps and remove the crimp or glue from the media ends. Fold the media like a accordion and put in the jaws of a vice. Squeeze it until no oil comes out. Unfold the media. If you do it right it will be as dry as a new filter. The metal particles will stand out from the media in a bright light. The normal used engine oil film on the media will have a tendency to hide some contamination.
That's what I do, check out this video I made about 7 months ago, ruclips.net/video/Ph0E9flmKuY/видео.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
► Thanks For Watching! and Watch an oil filter inspection video every Friday on this RUclips Channel, Thank You!
Another great job Pete! I'm always learning from your channel. TFS Merri :)
Thanks Merri!
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Motorcraft filter was disappointing ,I always use car company recommended filters ,but this is disturbing to me as I change my own oil ,I can not put up with my oil filter failing on my expensive engine ,thanks ,Ford needs to step up on quality control on their oil filters ,this a very important part of an engine for this to happen this is unacceptable to me ,very informative
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I like the silicone ADB, the base-end bypass valve, and the price of the FL910S. I have two of them on two of my non-Ford vehicles now. I have used them on other vehicles previously. I have cut them open after service and was satisfied with what residual I saw in the can. I never observed loose glue like this. Now, seeing the loose glue in this can and suspecting more came loose inside the filter and circulated through the engine, I cannot trust them for my vehicles from now on. What a shame.
@righthandreaper562 ruclips.net/video/7wxEuQf4ol0/видео.html
I removed a 910S from one of my vehicles two weeks ago -- 3700 miles of use. Most of it looked good. However, there was a spot on one end of the filter media at which there was no potting adhesive holding the pleats to the end cap, about 3-4 pleats. So oil could flow through this unsealed location without being filtered. But there were no flecks and no loose chunks of adhesive as observed in this video, which was really good.
Interesting. Every time I purchase an oil filter I peak down to see if there looks like excess glue used during assembly. It is something I have wondered about, if the glue would come apart during operation. I'll admit I like the FoMo filters because of the bypass valve design but what you presented here will make me think twice.
Super video. I look at the pleats from both makers and W looks more every gray (meaning that soot is trapped in substrate as well as folds) whereas M looks like mostly black along the folds. Highly unscientific, obviously.
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I don't know if you will see this on an old video but I cut open 4 motorcraft filters and 3 of them the end caps came off and one of them the glue was split on one side. Also on 2 of them the filter media was torn in the same spot by the metal crimp and it was where the pleats were the widest. All filters had at minimum 5k miles on them from customer vehicles. Also I know this video is old but I noticed the end cap came loose at 7:48 where you was measuring the width of the filter.
I dont see your video? Yes, the end cap moved a little when I was measuring the width.
@WhipCityWrencher oh sorry I currently don't have any videos, I just meant that I cut up some at work. If I had some way to share the pictures with you I would but could always throw together a short clip. I also meant older video because your this video I commented on was a year old.
@@motorhead45102 No problem, I believe you. I've seen a few media tears, that's why I prefer filters with a Polymer or metal screen backing.
@WhipCityWrencher yeah I recently picked up a few wix xp filters but noticed between the two filters 51348 and 57502 the media appeared to be different color. And on the box they don't show or mention wire backing anymore. Not sure if there still is or they just don't mention it anymore because it doesn't have it. Alot of them seem to be cheaping out and removing features that made them good. Especially with the now cheaper champ made motorcraft filters.
@@motorhead45102 The Wix XP should have a Polymer screen backing similar to the Purolator Boss oil filters. I opened one up on Friday 3-22-24 and another one on Friday 3-29-24 also I open up a New Motorcraft on Friday 4-5-24.
That's a thorough video there! All the parts that go into a disposable oil filter! Why did the industry move away from the days where engines had a canister with a replaceable paper element like a air filter that would be changed out instead of all that wasted steel that just goes to a landfill, or needs to be recycled which uses more energy! Yes, there may be a few car engines using just an element these days, two of which I owned: 2008 Caddy SRX V-6 and a VW diesel TDi. Any comments?
Chrysler Pentastar 6s use a cartridge, and it's on the top of the motor. Easy access.
I just opened a toughguard fram. End paper offset enough to leak around bypass leaf spring.1/8 inch opening at core. Yikes.
I'm trying to find a larger oil filter for a 2021 Ford EcoSport 2.0 AWD. An FL400S equivalent....I think. Maybe a Mobil 1. I can't find what I need. A bit leery about the Purolator Boss. Afraid it will go into bypass too easily running 5W-30 synthetic. I refuse to use 5W-20.
Iv'e heard a wix xp 51516 may work
@Thomas-fj8ol Hey, thanks. I did end up using the Purolator Boss 400S equivalent. It's working fine with 5W-30. Meijer brand synthetic. Highline Warren LLC. Good stuff. Same as Super Tech. Runs quieter. Much smoother than 5W-20. Did my own recent oil change and am happy with it. Gonna go 6 months on it seeing as how I don't put a lot of miles on my machine.
20 micron is what matters. Any cheap filter does 30 no problem that's why motorcraft test theirs down to 20. Its what gets by after 30 that scratches the cylinder walls so motorcraft is honest about their Filters ability
I quoted an old micron rating on the Motorcraft filter from the O'Reilly website, some of these places dont update their specs. This is what the Motorcraft (95% particles greater than 30 microns) is claiming their micron rating is these days, go to the 1:40 mark in the video.ruclips.net/video/4at4X8TZOlw/видео.html&ab_channel=FordandMotorcraftParts
Got it! Thanks. Love your channel!
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Loving the content very good stuff!
Two great filters and 👍 for Valvoline oil. Not a Pennzoil guy I've heard waxy film sludge stories.
Hi Dennis,
The Waxy Pennzoil was a past problem they had. I think there oil is pretty good stuff.
I do like shell and Quaker state.
Pennzoil was purchased by Shell Oil in 2011. Totally reformulated. The waxy sludge issue is an issue from way back (80's, maybe 90's). The Natural gas derived Pennzoil Platinum is a great oil. Wins many competitions/comparisons.
What they said was correct. The old Pennsoil oil was known for building waxy sludge in the 70s and 80s. The Pennsoil Synthetic Platinum oil of today is completely different. Look up Project Farm's U tube testing of engine oils. It was either #1 oe 2 best!. Its (kinda like the old Fram orange oil filters) I always considered garbage after I cut one open 30 yrs ago. But today their gold synthetic filter is one of the best. Swore I'd never use a Fram for decades, but I am using the Gold ones now.
Jay the Florida pool pump motor repair guy. When Service Calls Longwood approved ! that was good info 2 see & know👨🔧good job !! WCW
Thanks, Jay.
the WIX plant is just down the road from me here in N.C.
They look to be pretty close the same..👍
Thanks, Dan!
Good video. Do you have a video of recommended filters?
Thank You!
Sorry, no I don't.
If I'm not mistaken, both of these filters are made by Purolator, which is under Mann & Hummel. It's interesting that the glue curing defect was only showing on one of them. Have you seen glue defects like this appear at a higher rate on M&H filters? I might consider just getting a Microgard Select instead!
Hi John,
I think this is the only used filter that did a lousy job. The black glue is soft most of the time while the off-white glue on some of the oil filters is very hard. In my opinion (off-white) is a better glue.
@@WhipCityWrencher thanks for your insight, Whip. I can't recall, but did that Vietnam made Microgard Select have the white glue or the black? I might have to check that video again.
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It has white glue here's a video of one of them. ruclips.net/video/jHxJPzuu_V8/видео.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
I thought the motorcraft was a champ filter or one of the other makes that plugs a spacer in where an upper bypass valve belongs.
Thanks for sharing. I’m wondering if when they change my filter everytime they change oil. Thanks for all your hard work 😊
Hi Christina,
If you bring it to a quick lube, one has to wonder if they even change the oil at some of these places. If you have a knowledgeable automotive friend that could do a before and after check would be a good idea.
@@WhipCityWrencher good idea. I go to Valvoline I sure hope they are reputable. Thanks for the tip
I wonder if the Pennzoil being natural gas-based has anything to do with glue coming loose?
I don't know but some of these oil filters have too much glue in places where it shouldn't be.
Smart guy, it’s critical for those eco boost engines to have frequent oil changes.
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thanks for sharing brotha
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Nonsense. I own ecoboost engines (2.0 and 2.7) with no issues using Motorcraft filters and oil with 5k mile oil changes. The 2.0 has 145k miles and the inside of the engine looks brand new under the oil fill cap. Never had one issue. the 2.7 has 90k and is clean as well. Change your oil at 5k and use the manufacturer recommended oil and filter.
I've opened used Motorcraft filter before, this one happens to be a bad one.
It’s good that the deposit is mostly glue and not just sludge
I’ve always changed my Escape Ecoboost 2.0 at 5,000 miles with full synthetic. I have 166,500 miles (2013). I just started changing the oil at 4,000 miles. Way too much fuel dilution at even 4,000 miles and the oil looks like crap. I mainly drive around town in the Chicago burbs. 10% highway driving.
WIX XP all the way, manufacturers also recommend 10k oil changes, why do they do that. Because they do not want your car to last, they want you to buy a new one.
No. No. No. Just look at Kia & Hyundai. Their engines have issues, and they had to extend the warranty to 150k miles. Manufacturers want your engine to last. The fact is, oil lasts 10k-20k miles. @MrACP
The tight louvers are for when the glue breaks up. Hehe. 😅
That glue could clog and engine real quick
Would the oil get hot enough t to melt the glue🤔
Great video. Where can I send my filter for you to open up?
Send me an email to, Poker4me007@gmail.com
Thanks whip full watch 👍
Thanks, Cassy👍
Another Glue Problem This time the Motorcraft..I will avoid as a result
How do we send you filters? I eould like to send you a Mopar oem filter to compair with the matching mobile 1
Sure, send me an email and let me know what you have to, Poker4me007@gmail.com
Hello sir! I own an EU model Volvo V40 2017… will you be interested in cartridge filters as well? If you like, i can send two different filters I just replaced. It’s a Mann and a Bosch made filter.
Sure send me an email at, Poker4me007@gmail.com
I would lean towards engine operation is why you see soot . Usually that's a sign of poor timing or too much idling could be as simple as an air filter plugged up. But if that's also filter material then it could be a problem. I've seen napa filter failures on a certain brand of diesel engine. If memory serves our motorcraft made by purolator? The only other thing I've ever seen was with rotella products having a sludge issue.
Glue floating around is bad. Wix for the win
The ford filter is not for extended drains and looks like it was left in too long.
Thanks,
But I dont think 3 months, 3,772 miles is too long.
I'd have a hard time paying $16 for a 3 month OCI filter. I mostly used $4 MC filters for 200k every 5k on syn blend QS without hesitation. I've never seen any particular matter in my old oil either. I pour through a screened funnel when recycling old oil. Wonder if the glue just stays in the filter or if the MC filter examined was a fluke?
On my wife’s 2018 Escape with 2.2 Ecoboost, the filter mounts hanging vertically. Doesn’t really even need an antidrainback valve. Car takes this same filter.
Motocraft continually indicates glue coming loose inside the filter - I will not use this brand, as quality control seems poor.
Dirty oil and dirty filters tell you how well the oil is cleaning your engine. Clean oil might just be not very well at removing carbon from the engine internals
I thought that WIX oil filters had coil springs, not stampes leaf springs
They used too.
Nice presentation. Its too bad that your filter donor had not run the same oil thru BOTH filters for a more balanced exam of the filter contents. The two oils are different and therefore will yield two different results / debris. Valvoline is a much better oil and yields less debris inside the filter than Pennzoil will. This is also why the Motorcraft oil filter is considered better than the WIX and other's because their pressure relief and bypass valves are located in the top of the canister by the threads instead of down inside the bottom if debris gets thru the media and settles down where the others' valves are!
This comparison only applies to the original basic oils offered by these companies and does NOT apply to the specialty oils they now offer with varying additives and synthetic properties.
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How do they taste?
was this ford escape a ecoboost?
Hi Mike,
I think it is.
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The 3 cyl ecoboost family uses a wet timing belt (rubber belt that is exposed to oil), and they can fail prematurely as soon as 50k miles. Hopefully, that is indeed glue and not the start of belt failure!
I'll stick with the WIX, as the glue job & sludge on the MotorCraft looks more like MotorCrap
Those little Ford GDI engines are soot monsters
Thanks, Mark!
Have you ever thought, my dear friend, that in the Motorcraft filter ALL the dirt has remained once and forever in the "dirty part" of the filter, having no way to penetrate through the filter, while in the Wix filter the dirt is washed off from the dirty outer surfaces of the filter and through the bypass valve - constantly gets, for example, when the oil is thick - again into the "clean zone" ??? Oh my god: do you all lack a little imagination is to understand this simple thing???
😂😂😂 1.5 Eco Boom time bomb! Even Ford has admitted it!😮
they both seem to be doing their jobs well.i hope ford keeps the bypass valve at the entrance.i could never see the logic in having your oil wash dirt off the media on the way to be bypassed, & sending it straight to the bearings.NOT SMART. basically it just holds the dirt until it recirculates under bypass conditions.just plain dumb in my oppinion.its not much of a filter to function like that.
Looks like Wix is the real deal you broke this down to a science 🧪 NICELY DONE 👍
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never hav i seen anything like this before... glue failure like that should never happen... while they look the same, bet they were made in 2 entirely different factories...
Motorcraft needs to up their game -- they should at least be Mobil One quality.
WIX
All that glue all over the place inside the MotorCraft filter looked like coffee grounds. What a mess that can't be good for a car's engine.
Also the micron rating WIX 99% (35 microns) vs MotorCraft 80% (20 microns).
Also preferred the ADBV on the WIX brighter and smoother. MotorCraft had those nubs on its ADBV protruding outwards unlike the smoothness of the WIX.
Overall build quality as well leaned me towards the WIX
I'd pick the WIX here 👍
the Motorcraft is a Purolator and it is a typical Purolator poor quality! more glue should be better! right? more glue the better 😀 I choose Wix even if I was a bit disappointed by the media quality.
just so you know, Mann hummel makes wix and purolator, and motor craft.
Thanks, bud!
@@lukeWiz44 yes I know but Wix seems to have kept some of their old QA personnel and generally does a better job at quality control.
Beware of Motorcraft filters. Not what it was before. Glue damaging everything.
Fram gettin' better but still not good enough I'll stick to the higher flow rate and 98.7 efficiency @ 20 micron not greater than Amsoil Eao line oil filter however that Fram Endurance oil filter media is way better than the ultra because it's 100% Synthetic fiber the Ultra isn't it's a paper cellulouse Synthetic blend. Old tech.
It can also be the gasoline going into the engine,
Like oil gasoline in always made different, so if you buy gas a different source, and the gasoline is made poor or from a cheap company.
The oil will be dirty from the cheap gas.
Did some cleaning :)
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I think its the oil choice. My Dad would never use Pennzoil. His famous quote was I would never put Pennzoil in a lawnmower. Pennzoil is a paraffin based oil which leaves paraffin behind. It's the same material that is used in candle making. Castrol is an asphalt based oil which in my opinion much better.
It may have been bad years ago, but I think it's a very good oil now. I use the Pennzoil Platinum In my vehicle and it seems to run quieter. UOA's look fine also.
Negative you are absolutely wrong
I'm calling BS send that into a lab for proper testing on "sludge". That dude put something in it.
5:21 Let's hope it's solved sludge and not solved rubber timing belt. 🤭😵💫
I think that's excess glue
@@WhipCityWrencher The EcoBoost engines blow up here in Europe.
A rubber timing belt, soluble in oil but running itself in oil, is the most stupid idea in the history of internal combustion engines. 🤭🤣
@@u.e.u.e. Another $$ cost-saving idea when maufacturing I guess.👎
I agree, a chain is much better.👍
@@WhipCityWrencher A timing belt doesn't need to be bad. If it's well-made, wide and thick enough - no problem! But you shouldn't let it soak 24/7/365 with hot engine oil. 🤭
Volkswagen/Audi/Seat/Skoda had their (homemade) problems with timing chains aswell. Tiny chains that you wouldn't want to have on your bicycle, they squeezed the price for the manufacturer more and more, and then oil-change intervals of over 30,000 km or 20,000 mi with the thinnest fuel-saving oils possible - that was too much for the chains!
And for adding insult to injury they had faulty tensioners, too. And pistons. And pison rings. And journals. And oil pumps. And oil-pressure regulating software. And valves for the oil-operated cam-adjusters. And cams. ... 🤪
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IMO that looks like a lot of sludge in oil filter besides the other gunk glue crap on the ford filter!
Look like 3,700 miles or so miles didn’t really challenge either oil or the Wix XP filter. Can't say the same thing for the Motorcraft filter.
Wix 99% @ 35 micron um that's not good. So much light passing thru under microscope.
Never use pennzoil !
Why do you say that?
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dude is living in 1964. they fixed the issue with the sludging additive pack like 20 years ago.
@@lukeWiz44 True that. Similar urban legend for Quaker State oil.
@@lukeWiz44 I only use Pennzoil UP or Valvoline Ext Pro or the High milage Maxlife.
Filter is a filter is a filter, with regular oil change intervals. Fram not included
Clown comment. Black silicone chunks and loose glue in the motorcrafts these days.
They are using the wrong type of oil for the Ford they need to be using mobile 1 plus it's the gas also cheap gas can cause problems premium is a better choice
something people don't think about is when you use like a wicks or a K&N filter yes they may filter better however the thing is is with the more filtration cleats that they have the more likely the bypass valve is going to open up on it and then it's just gonna be backwashing the filter and not even filtering your oil so the reality is is the "better" oil filters are actually causing more damage and shortening the life of your engine. Just stick with OEM and change them every 3000 to 6000 miles.
Always. A great job!
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