Hornet name actually comes from the Hudson Hornet . Nash and Hudson merged to become American Motors and later on AMC used the Hornet name... then Chrysler bought AMC and now Stellantis owns Chrysler and the Hornet comes around for the third time.
It would seem the best way to describe the car "Not ready for prime time". These issues are common with Alfa Romeo's building of a car. At least it doesn't have a lot of glossy black.
I have this car and agree with the dead pedal being too close but found the controls to be easy after a month of ownership. The power delivery isn't that bad. A bit of boost lag but that makes sense given that it is making 20+ lbs of boost
I don't know why you had so many problems, I find the Hornet an excellent vehicle. The power is great, I find no turbo lag like you claim, the transmission is smooth not choppy. The handling is excellent, braking is very good. You guys seem to whine about everything. Shoulder belt location ????
I agree. I have one also and didn't have these issues. It's very enjoyable to drive. They also didn't get the track pack so they can't comment on the full driving experience without that.
Once you guys are done playing Steven Spielberg with the camera slider, can we get a good shot of the interior from the drivers pov vice all the angled shots from the passenger door
24:50 I imported a 2004 Mercury Grand Marquis from Florida to The Netherlands (see video on my channel). One of the reasons I wanted to import a panther platform car to Europe was because parts are so easy to come by and these cars are so cheap and easy to maintain! Even here in the Netherlands, I've been able to get parts from Rock Auto shipped here no problem!
The driving position described is a typical Italian set up which, as stated, was 'acceptable' in Italian sports cars of the past but not in a modern SUV. I'm guessing Dodge and its dealers aren't going to brag about its made-in-Italy origins, just like Mitsubishi didn't brag about its current (soon to be discontinued) Mirage being built in Thailand or BMW bragging its 3 series are built in Mexico.
Thanks for the podcast guys! I too thought there was some sort of federal law about supplying parts after a model is discontinued (or even if the model continues on, I thought there was a 10-year rolling period of time parts had to be available, e.g. my 2001 Suburban should have parts until 2011, and a 2002 should have parts until 2012, etc.) However, I asked ChatGPT and it too could not find any state or federal laws/regulations about this. I'm really surprised, because I've been telling people that there was a 10 year requirement for literally 50 years now. Oops! Thanks for bringing this up.
I feel like this is a question that can be answered. I'm a little surprised that the editors at CR couldn't call up someone at a manufacturer and get an actual answer to this one.
Being this is the first new Dodge/Chrysler product in years and years, it is disappointing that they didn't bother to cross the t's and dot the I's to make the Hornet as good as possible.
CR, I will take the AMC Hornet Sportabout wagon with the 258 inline 6 any day over this Fiat. Badge engineering is fine as long as the car is engineered by the superior automaker and the badge is engineered by the inferior partner. My 18 year old Pontiac Vibe runs as well as the day it rolled off the Toyota Corolla assembly line. 🤩
Parts for common models that manufacturers have sold a lot of should not be a worry for electrical and mechanical systems. There are lots of dealers with parts stock and many parts are used in common with other models in the manufacturers line-up and maybe even those of other manufacturers in the case of components made by third party suppliers. Even then, there is the used part market. Body panels, trim and interior pieces and accessories, however may be a concern if there is no enthusiast community creating a demand for aftermarket creation of the pieces. I have a 41 year your Chevrolet and even in 2023 mechanical and electrical parts are common, easily obtainable and cheap. With the exception of glass, which is still availble new or NOS, everything else has to be gotten from an auto parts recycler. An opposite example.: I had a 1989 Rover Sterling 827sli. Body, interior and trim pieces, as well as glass were unobtainable. The Honda powertrain components were still available new. Headlights and the braking system were unobtainable anywhere. The cars had long been scrapped in the UK and there were always very few sold here. The early ABS braking system was unique to the car, so when the master cylinder failed, there were no rebuild kits available and no new master cylinders were to be had. No brakes and no parts to fix them doomed the car.
I like Dodge and I like the all-new Dodge Hornet! It is plain to see that you guys aren't fond of the Hornet much at all! Consumer Reports I have never really relied on before anyway! Oh, by the way I love my 2014 Dodge Dart SXT in which it has been a very reliable & fun sedan to drive! Thanks, guys...
You guys missed out on the track pack. The damper changes are very distinct and the car feels much better in sport with the track pack. The brembo brakes are also very responsive.
This was on the short list of vehicles I was considering when I was looking for an AWD CUV earlier this year. Based off this video I'm glad I didn't get it.
“Hornet” comes from the Hudson Hornet . Nash and Hudson merged to become American Motors and later on AMC used the Hornet name... then Chrysler bought AMC and now Stellantis owns Chrysler and the Hornet comes around for the third time.
Don't understand why it needs to look like a jellybean. Considering its sporty drivetrain, why not make it lower, wider, and more aggressive in terms of looks
So how does the Hornet compare to the new 23 Jeep Compass? Compass has the same engine, but less power, has in my opinion a better dash layout and much better or larger Uconnect screen. It has a 8 speed transmission though, I heard sourced from Hyundai. I also read that the Compass is now based off the Alfa or same platform as the Hornet. Correct me if I'm wrong on that. BUT, and surprisingly, the Compass seems to be a lot more expensive before incentives. I tested this new Compass a few months ago, seemed nice. Although I still liked other SUV's more so and bought something different. ***Compass doesn't require premium fuel.
The compass is not on the same platform as the hornet but for 23 they so share an engine now. That's a good thing for the compass because the old engine was pretty gutless.
I recently spent a lot of time shopping for a new family vehicle and while the Buick TourX ticked a lot of the right boxes (styling, driving dynamics, cargo room), the fact that this was a "ghost" or "orphan" car ultimately made me walk away from what was in many ways my perfect car. (Also, dealer's out the door price was literally $10,000 more than advertised price) I ultimately bought the closest thing I could find to a modern station wagon because it was the most practical choice. It was also the most boring choice. A Subaru Outback.
Not sure why anyone will buy this. If you want one of the base power train versions, there are cheaper/better/more well equipped options. If you want the PHEV there actually isn't a huge delta between them in terms of starting price so just get that.
main stream italian auto manufacturers have known for decades they have infamous problems with the insides of their vehicles. they do great with exterior design but fall flat with interior layouts/controls and awful reliability regardlessthe components. I'm very curious why the italian auto manufacturing sector with said 'issues' still affect them to this day? why can't they seem to see and address these long standing shortcomings?
Terrible show ! Rambling all over the place. I could do better. I've actually done the test drive for both Hornet GT and Tonale Veloce PHEV and really liked them both !
Three versions of the Hornet historically. CR has disliked all of them. I am amazed that Nash, Hudson, AMC, Chrysler, and now Stellantis. They just never learned in over 50 years how to make a reliable car that people would like. It is amazing to me in any form they still exist in the USA. The old Mazda CX-5 is superior to this. Discontinued cars, if they sold enough, parts are enough around for awhile. Saab died in 2011. Now in 2023, parts are starting to run out for the 9-3 - 12 years later. Remanufactured parts are available, but they are getting harder to get. It does depend on the model and how many cars it shares parts with (some 9-3 parts are shared with Chevy for example, but not many).
Hornet name actually comes from the Hudson Hornet . Nash and Hudson merged to become American Motors and later on AMC used the Hornet name... then Chrysler bought AMC and now Stellantis owns Chrysler and the Hornet comes around for the third time.
The third time is definitelyy not the charm.
like the car from cars?
FWIW "Doc" from the movie Cars is a Hudson Hornet.
Amc made in Brampton Ontario back then
Stellantis IS Chrysler. PSA and FCA came together to form STELLANTIS there is no company called Stellantis that bought Chrysler.
I love my new dodge Hornet!🐝 it’s got me a ton of attention from strangers.
Don't forget The Hornet and the Tonale share a platform with the Jeep Compass
Reminds me of a Dodge Dart lifted
That is a nice compliment indeed! Thanks...
It would seem the best way to describe the car "Not ready for prime time". These issues are common with Alfa Romeo's building of a car. At least it doesn't have a lot of glossy black.
"It's Italian" is the best way to describe it.
I have this car and agree with the dead pedal being too close but found the controls to be easy after a month of ownership. The power delivery isn't that bad. A bit of boost lag but that makes sense given that it is making 20+ lbs of boost
So rebirth of the Dodge Journey ?
Ouch! You just triggered PTSD in Auburn Hills.
I don't know why you had so many problems, I find the Hornet an excellent vehicle. The power is great, I find no turbo lag like you claim, the transmission is smooth not choppy. The handling is excellent, braking is very good. You guys seem to whine about everything. Shoulder belt location ????
I agree. I have one also and didn't have these issues. It's very enjoyable to drive. They also didn't get the track pack so they can't comment on the full driving experience without that.
They somehow can't appreciate Mopar quality apparently!
Once you guys are done playing Steven Spielberg with the camera slider, can we get a good shot of the interior from the drivers pov vice all the angled shots from the passenger door
24:50 I imported a 2004 Mercury Grand Marquis from Florida to The Netherlands (see video on my channel). One of the reasons I wanted to import a panther platform car to Europe was because parts are so easy to come by and these cars are so cheap and easy to maintain! Even here in the Netherlands, I've been able to get parts from Rock Auto shipped here no problem!
Wow! Hard to imagine a Grand Marquis in Europe. Add pontoons and you have a house boat :)
This car doesnt require premium. The manual recommends it for best performance but says 87 is totally fine.
I like the comparison with other competitors in the market segment.
Hey guys, The Name Hornet appeared on the Hudson Hornet long before AMC used the name.
As anyone who's seen the movie "Cars" should know.
Ah the 1949 Hudson Hornet!
The driving position described is a typical Italian set up which, as stated, was 'acceptable' in Italian sports cars of the past but not in a modern SUV. I'm guessing Dodge and its dealers aren't going to brag about its made-in-Italy origins, just like Mitsubishi didn't brag about its current (soon to be discontinued) Mirage being built in Thailand or BMW bragging its 3 series are built in Mexico.
please dont compare made in Italy to the made in Japan , I mean the Japs have no design/fashion/ or swagg.
Premium gas in a dodge..😂😂
Yeah, I was disappointed they never got around to roasting it for that. 😂
It doesn't even require premium. Recommended but not required.
Thanks for the podcast guys! I too thought there was some sort of federal law about supplying parts after a model is discontinued (or even if the model continues on, I thought there was a 10-year rolling period of time parts had to be available, e.g. my 2001 Suburban should have parts until 2011, and a 2002 should have parts until 2012, etc.) However, I asked ChatGPT and it too could not find any state or federal laws/regulations about this. I'm really surprised, because I've been telling people that there was a 10 year requirement for literally 50 years now. Oops! Thanks for bringing this up.
I feel like this is a question that can be answered. I'm a little surprised that the editors at CR couldn't call up someone at a manufacturer and get an actual answer to this one.
Two cars that were revived from discontinued nameplates: Camaro and Dart. And then discontinued again. Which would you buy later? 😆
I love my 2014 Dodge Dart SXT as I have had NO problems whatsoever with it!
Being this is the first new Dodge/Chrysler product in years and years, it is disappointing that they didn't bother to cross the t's and dot the I's to make the Hornet as good as possible.
CR, I will take the AMC Hornet Sportabout wagon with the 258 inline 6 any day over this Fiat. Badge engineering is fine as long as the car is engineered by the superior automaker and the badge is engineered by the inferior partner. My 18 year old Pontiac Vibe runs as well as the day it rolled off the Toyota Corolla assembly line. 🤩
Goodbye Challenger and Charger! Hello Hornet! Great decision making at Stellantis.
Parts for common models that manufacturers have sold a lot of should not be a worry for electrical and mechanical systems. There are lots of dealers with parts stock and many parts are used in common with other models in the manufacturers line-up and maybe even those of other manufacturers in the case of components made by third party suppliers. Even then, there is the used part market. Body panels, trim and interior pieces and accessories, however may be a concern if there is no enthusiast community creating a demand for aftermarket creation of the pieces.
I have a 41 year your Chevrolet and even in 2023 mechanical and electrical parts are common, easily obtainable and cheap. With the exception of glass, which is still availble new or NOS, everything else has to be gotten from an auto parts recycler.
An opposite example.: I had a 1989 Rover Sterling 827sli. Body, interior and trim pieces, as well as glass were unobtainable. The Honda powertrain components were still available new. Headlights and the braking system were unobtainable anywhere. The cars had long been scrapped in the UK and there were always very few sold here. The early ABS braking system was unique to the car, so when the master cylinder failed, there were no rebuild kits available and no new master cylinders were to be had. No brakes and no parts to fix them doomed the car.
Stellantis practicing marketing via badge engineering.
I like Dodge and I like the all-new Dodge Hornet! It is plain to see that you guys aren't fond of the Hornet much at all! Consumer Reports I have never really relied on before anyway! Oh, by the way I love my 2014 Dodge Dart SXT in which it has been a very reliable & fun sedan to drive! Thanks, guys...
You guys missed out on the track pack. The damper changes are very distinct and the car feels much better in sport with the track pack. The brembo brakes are also very responsive.
All the little faults, marginal losses, add up to a big negative.
This was on the short list of vehicles I was considering when I was looking for an AWD CUV earlier this year. Based off this video I'm glad I didn't get it.
“Hornet” comes from the Hudson Hornet . Nash and Hudson merged to become American Motors and later on AMC used the Hornet name... then Chrysler bought AMC and now Stellantis owns Chrysler and the Hornet comes around for the third time.
The original 1949 is a magnificent legend. A spectacular design of a car.
Dissapointed CR didn't review BOTH the Dodge and Alpha in the save vid....
Isn't that the classic olde tyme Italian driver position?
Don't understand why it needs to look like a jellybean. Considering its sporty drivetrain, why not make it lower, wider, and more aggressive in terms of looks
11:07 to 11:30 that’s me in my 2018 mazda cx5! i’m only 5’7” and it doesn’t fit me as well as i thought it would 😮
So how does the Hornet compare to the new 23 Jeep Compass? Compass has the same engine, but less power, has in my opinion a better dash layout and much better or larger Uconnect screen. It has a 8 speed transmission though, I heard sourced from Hyundai. I also read that the Compass is now based off the Alfa or same platform as the Hornet. Correct me if I'm wrong on that. BUT, and surprisingly, the Compass seems to be a lot more expensive before incentives. I tested this new Compass a few months ago, seemed nice. Although I still liked other SUV's more so and bought something different. ***Compass doesn't require premium fuel.
The compass is not on the same platform as the hornet but for 23 they so share an engine now. That's a good thing for the compass because the old engine was pretty gutless.
Premium gas is an automatic no from me.
You can keep anything going, if you properly apply a hand sledge.
I recently spent a lot of time shopping for a new family vehicle and while the Buick TourX ticked a lot of the right boxes (styling, driving dynamics, cargo room), the fact that this was a "ghost" or "orphan" car ultimately made me walk away from what was in many ways my perfect car. (Also, dealer's out the door price was literally $10,000 more than advertised price) I ultimately bought the closest thing I could find to a modern station wagon because it was the most practical choice. It was also the most boring choice. A Subaru Outback.
The Outback has a taller interior and more cubic feet inside. You could have just bought the TourX and moved to Europe and call it an Opel.
Honestly I wish you could get cars without touchscreens, just more shit to fail and cost a crapload to fix.
C'mon guys, say it! The Hornet is a P.O.S. vehicle!
lol wouldn’t buy anything Chrysler related.
Good luck figuring out who that all is, thanks to all the recent mergers.
But this one is built by Alfa Romeo so it’s bound to be quality 😂
Not sure why anyone will buy this. If you want one of the base power train versions, there are cheaper/better/more well equipped options. If you want the PHEV there actually isn't a huge delta between them in terms of starting price so just get that.
Because you are a diehard Mopar fan!
Chrysler/Alfa….what could go wrong ? 😂
main stream italian auto manufacturers have known for decades they have infamous problems with the insides of their vehicles. they do great with exterior design but fall flat with interior layouts/controls and awful reliability regardlessthe components. I'm very curious why the italian auto manufacturing sector with said 'issues' still affect them to this day? why can't they seem to see and address these long standing shortcomings?
I dont want to even see a review of a car made by dodge, jeep took bailout money, they arent real to me anymore
Terrible show ! Rambling all over the place. I could do better. I've actually done the test drive for both Hornet GT and Tonale Veloce PHEV and really liked them both !
Tonale vs Dodge... maybe Stellantis wants to kill Alfa?
Peugeot already regrets its one-night stand with Fiat-Alfa-Dodge-Chrysler.
they dont even know how to put it in reverse or drive.. they are doing neutral drops and they dont even know it! :)
Another subprime loan vehicle from Stellantis.
$40 Grand for this garbage truck? Buy yourself a Toyota or Honda.I am sure it will be a good rental.
Three versions of the Hornet historically. CR has disliked all of them. I am amazed that Nash, Hudson, AMC, Chrysler, and now Stellantis. They just never learned in over 50 years how to make a reliable car that people would like. It is amazing to me in any form they still exist in the USA. The old Mazda CX-5 is superior to this. Discontinued cars, if they sold enough, parts are enough around for awhile. Saab died in 2011. Now in 2023, parts are starting to run out for the 9-3 - 12 years later. Remanufactured parts are available, but they are getting harder to get. It does depend on the model and how many cars it shares parts with (some 9-3 parts are shared with Chevy for example, but not many).
Jennifer Stockburger ❤love when she’s on the show.
🤮
Ewwww Stellantis
Hornet die