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  • Опубликовано: 21 дек 2024

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  • @Akmak
    @Akmak 8 лет назад +330

    8 years later the company doing really well even my school uses them

    • @tilzo_9752
      @tilzo_9752 7 лет назад +4

      yeah i think my teacher does too

    • @localshopkeeper6474
      @localshopkeeper6474 5 лет назад +10

      Going to some btec school loool

    • @emperorleachicus2199
      @emperorleachicus2199 5 лет назад +11

      @Local Shopkeeper I didn’t realise there were Business and Technology Education Council (BTEC) schools. Or maybe you’re falsely equivocating BTEC with Beta/Sub-tier because you don’t actually know what it means.

    • @reececrawford1688
      @reececrawford1688 5 лет назад +1

      @@emperorleachicus2199 whoosh

    • @Nova63_
      @Nova63_ 5 лет назад

      @@emperorleachicus2199 r/whooosh

  • @beastkaybyt2865
    @beastkaybyt2865 8 лет назад +24

    the market for this is massive , every student would want this

  • @user-no2uw4bn9b
    @user-no2uw4bn9b 10 лет назад +119

    They should sell these as post-it notes. That would be alot better. Post it that sticks anywhere and can be re-used.

    • @nhsneil
      @nhsneil  10 лет назад +85

      We do erasable magic sticky notes www.magicwhiteboard.co.uk/category/magic-sticky-notes/

    • @froggyoncrak
      @froggyoncrak 9 лет назад +39

      Neil Westwood Best comeback ever.

    • @whathefuzizthiz
      @whathefuzizthiz 9 лет назад +5

      Neil Westwood you should have negociated, 40% was too much. you should have said that if they got 40, you and your wife would only get 30% each, which would be less.

  • @S-rn6xn
    @S-rn6xn 8 лет назад +580

    Millionaires talking to people like dirt because they have a bit of money, what happened to basic manners

    • @aidenl7142
      @aidenl7142 8 лет назад +41

      arrogance.
      lack of humbility.
      being a dick sometimes is justified when the heart really means well (i.e. being a hard ass like Gordon Ramsay to toughen someone up for their own good), but i get the feeling most of these rich cunts just have attitude.

    • @asura6733
      @asura6733 8 лет назад +21

      Deborah is the worst. least the others earned their arrogance, she inherited hers. she's ironically the most cynical too.

    • @olbones4863
      @olbones4863 8 лет назад

      Sold those

    • @funnyshockingvideos7758
      @funnyshockingvideos7758 8 лет назад

      I agree although it makes some of them see sense I like the episodes that the dragons say there businesses will fail then 4 years later its succeeded.

    • @KateDoeFoe
      @KateDoeFoe 8 лет назад +7

      It's called business. they don't want to make a lose.

  • @gspvideo5543
    @gspvideo5543 4 года назад +13

    I'm a teacher who started in a new building teaching a speciality work course... and there was no whiteboard. And the portable whiteboard they had, someone had used permanent marker on it and was useless. This is brilliant, and will be purchasing one.

  • @Elite7555
    @Elite7555 8 лет назад +390

    Oh boy, oh boy. Why would I ever use a toilet, when I can piss straight into my sink?
    That question I would expect from Peter, when a toilet would be presented to him.
    Sometimes I ask myself how these guys got so rich with such limited understanding und view.

    • @dennis2129
      @dennis2129 8 лет назад +4

      Elite7555 😂

    • @howardsend6589
      @howardsend6589 8 лет назад +17

      You should see Peter's bathroom ... no WC fitted.

    • @ThePainkiller1982
      @ThePainkiller1982 6 лет назад

      That's the question.

    • @himself187
      @himself187 5 лет назад

      @King Brilliant lol

    • @sumvs5992
      @sumvs5992 3 года назад

      The point is to sell your idea to these investors, so if you can get through questions like that, they'll see you as a worthy investment

  • @intrepidtomato
    @intrepidtomato 4 года назад +34

    I work in IT, our UX designers love these. Peter was talking out of his arse as usual. I've done consulting work myself, can totally see how this is useful. It's all fun and games until you run a workshop for 10 people in a completely bare room, with a flaky HDMI adapter.

  • @crisrocas7924
    @crisrocas7924 3 года назад +15

    It's like a big slap to Peter to know how successful this product now.

  • @hcano91
    @hcano91 10 лет назад +419

    "Why would I use this?" what a stupid question! I'm a student and I only want to use it once a semester during final presentations. I would gladly pay for this product instead of paying for a whiteboard! also, this is much more portable!

    • @nhsneil
      @nhsneil  10 лет назад +11

      in the US you can order from www.magicwhiteboardproducts.com

    • @hcano91
      @hcano91 10 лет назад

      Good to know. Tx

    • @bradtorville5526
      @bradtorville5526 8 лет назад +6

      I've got a better question. Why exactly would you need a roll of the stuff since you can reuse the same sheet over and over again? It can easily wiped clean. It can have papers stuck to it. Wouldn't it be much more prudent to just sell it by the sheet or perhaps an office will get this idea too and just buy a single roll that the entire office can then use by the sheet, one sheet per department.
      Sorry, but it really isn't very well thought out. Most businesses already have some sort of whiteboard in play. The average person say a teacher or sports coach might need a single sheet at most. They'd have no need for an entire roll.

    • @VillaBoys123
      @VillaBoys123 8 лет назад +1

      +Brad Torville You really don't know how people with lives go about their business, do you? Maybe you are the kind of sad man that reuses everything. Most of the world is not. Go visit a landfill.

    • @TotalVikingPower
      @TotalVikingPower 8 лет назад

      are you saving your plastic bags or just throw them out ?

  • @rath6599
    @rath6599 5 лет назад +17

    Having used these in practice, Peter's concerns show lack of imagination. I've seen them used on the glass walls of a co-working space Meeting Room to protect sensitive presentations and provide writing space. I've seen them used in buildings where you can't install a whiteboard. During crunch-time we sometimes put them up all over the walls, to be taken down and tidied up when we're done.

  • @Garycarlyle
    @Garycarlyle 6 лет назад +163

    why only upload half of the thing?

    • @invalidtorture
      @invalidtorture 6 лет назад +33

      Because back in 2008 when this was uploaded there was a 10 minute restriction to videos. You'll notice lots of 10 minute videos from around that time.

    • @greghunt2069
      @greghunt2069 6 лет назад +53

      They could had cut 4.5mins of the beginning.

    • @jovanjanevski3747
      @jovanjanevski3747 6 лет назад +8

      We need to pay him for part two.

    • @stephanegoneau1
      @stephanegoneau1 6 лет назад +54

      I don’t think a video with no end will interest a lot of people. For that reason, I’m out!

    • @patrickjohngallagher
      @patrickjohngallagher 6 лет назад +10

      I'm out, too.

  • @coderoflife1687
    @coderoflife1687 8 лет назад +70

    I was screaming throughout the whole video for someone to just mention the use of it in schools. My school in Lancashire handed them out the only thing wrong was that I had to do work.

  • @spookstorm
    @spookstorm 7 лет назад +10

    I love the idea. My nephew loves to color. If I had one of These id stick it on the wall and he'd love it! So many different ways I could use it

    • @pokiplus9672
      @pokiplus9672 3 года назад

      You can get em on amazon love

  • @ZuvioxArts
    @ZuvioxArts 10 лет назад +65

    shit son... im actually using this right now for my uni project... holy shit cant believe this camee from these hahaha

  • @odin3842
    @odin3842 5 лет назад +13

    Duncan is my favorite dragon of all time. He tells people straight up what he thinks.

  • @JonasDygd
    @JonasDygd 5 лет назад +8

    I really don't understand why Peter Jones thought it was ridiculous... he must have been on a tight budget that day and just wanted to make TV

  • @Nocturnes1984
    @Nocturnes1984 5 лет назад +23

    1990 called, they want their pixels back

    • @Nocturnes1984
      @Nocturnes1984 5 лет назад +1

      Anon Wibble Her panties are out, just as Jenny

    • @prizma45
      @prizma45 5 лет назад

      @Ryan Hopkins lmao you're a bit of a twat yourself no wonder cringey guy

  • @Kevo216666
    @Kevo216666 9 лет назад +35

    We use it and it's genius. Wish I'd thought of it.

    • @NonsensicalSpudz
      @NonsensicalSpudz 9 лет назад +2

      K Russell yeah plastic is pretty impressive ain't it

    • @Kevo216666
      @Kevo216666 9 лет назад +5

      NonsensicalSpudz A roll of this is £7 cost - retails at £70... every ad agency and design company in the country get through reams of this stuff. the inventors are now multi millionaires. I think that's impressive.
      Why haven't we all heard of 'NonsensicalSpudz' and his genius ideas?
      ..because he's an internet cock.

    • @hinasakukimi
      @hinasakukimi 9 лет назад +1

      K Russell overreacted a tad don't you think

    • @Kevo216666
      @Kevo216666 9 лет назад +4

      ***** Was it the word cock? I can change it. Thoughts? We could brainstorm it using Magic Whiteboard.

    • @hinasakukimi
      @hinasakukimi 9 лет назад +12

      K Russell i'm starting to think you're working for them

  • @shellsbignumber2
    @shellsbignumber2 7 лет назад +113

    Lol @ Peter Jones, this went onto be one of the big successes on DD.

    • @neiljamison4865
      @neiljamison4865 6 лет назад +11

      Yup, and he thought he was smart writing "I'M OUT" on it.

    • @prizma45
      @prizma45 5 лет назад +2

      traida111 damn man he just wasn’t thinking properly but he’s a good guy to reasonable people

    • @intrepidtomato
      @intrepidtomato 4 года назад

      @Ryan Hopkins Are you Peter Jones' number one fan? You're really invested in his infallibility

  • @stefanjoden8311
    @stefanjoden8311 10 лет назад +18

    This is actually a really good product

  • @BenRangel
    @BenRangel 8 лет назад +24

    "A massive blow". The presenter must say that at least 10 times per episode

    • @nigelwilliams9307
      @nigelwilliams9307 9 месяцев назад

      He loves a massive blow from his boyfriend.

  • @DailyRuneScapeRandom
    @DailyRuneScapeRandom 2 года назад +6

    This is apparently the most successful item ever to have blown up from the den!

  • @robt3078
    @robt3078 8 лет назад +40

    Must be good in the army. Gather the soldiers, stick it to the side of a car/truck or tank and start the briefing or whatever in seconds.

    • @k0zzu21
      @k0zzu21 8 лет назад

      How is it better than paper?

    • @Herald_Of_War
      @Herald_Of_War 8 лет назад +1

      They would have to eat it or burn it after :P They can;t left the plans for the enemy to find it.

    • @UrkoWoW
      @UrkoWoW 8 лет назад +3

      you know whiteboards rub out correct

    • @ITmage
      @ITmage 8 лет назад +2

      When is the last time you saw soldiers having whiteboard on squad lvl in field in truck or APC? If lucky there is maybe one in batallion command.

    • @robt3078
      @robt3078 8 лет назад +4

      Lauri Koskinen paper becomes wet, you need to stick it to the surface with something. Can only be used once etc.With the mgic whiteboard you just roll it up after usage, throw back into the car and of you go.

  • @hopperthemarxist8533
    @hopperthemarxist8533 9 лет назад +7

    Brilliant product. I would use it for presentations and mind mapping concepts and ideas. Think of the possibilities!!

  • @dennis1662
    @dennis1662 2 года назад +1

    I'm glad I've heard of this. Yipee

  • @SteveFrenchWoodNStuff
    @SteveFrenchWoodNStuff 2 года назад +1

    Why didn't you show the ENTIRE video segment?

  • @Georgeous129
    @Georgeous129 13 лет назад +4

    i was a bit skeptical when i saw the title cos i thought it would be one of those 'very pc' or 'lights on a pole' pitch, but this is actually something i could find a very good use for. i'll have a look in Staples tomorrow as i am very...no, EXTREMELY...tempted to buy one

  • @moogdome2562
    @moogdome2562 5 лет назад +14

    Peter is so rude. No wonder Theo and Ballantine hate him.

  • @JackhammerJesus
    @JackhammerJesus 11 лет назад +23

    lol. I know this product and I know some people who use it (I work at a university in Germany) and EVERYBODY says what a great idea it is. BIG mistake of Peter here.

  • @SuperBlueboy61
    @SuperBlueboy61 9 лет назад +14

    What happened to the rest of the vid?

    • @JoshxIZ
      @JoshxIZ 8 лет назад

      +katie smith- art vlogs and more thx

  • @EdgyShooter
    @EdgyShooter 6 лет назад +1

    I'm a little confused if the patent covers all the actual material as my local council gives out these small statically charged plastic sheets with recycling information for sticking in houses

  • @samsheikh6764
    @samsheikh6764 10 лет назад +133

    Peter jones is so arrogant, just because he is successfull he thinks he can talk down to people and thinks he knows it all ... Watch his face he's gutted haha... Probably lost some of his height temporarily

    • @Romans8-9
      @Romans8-9 10 лет назад +5

      Peter Jones is one of the most polite dragons. Sometimes the truth hurts but he´s been pretty polite to some truly ordinary entrepreneurs.

    • @gulitzt5865
      @gulitzt5865 5 лет назад +3

      I have to disagree with your opinion. It is because its his money that he might be investing in, you would be annoyed to be pitched something that seem dodgy or not good enough for his money. Arrogance isn't what i would call it. If you ever listen to Peter he is the smartest one out of all of them.

  • @MrBarrynicholas
    @MrBarrynicholas 5 лет назад +2

    This has to be the biggest cock up Peter has ever made, backing out before they finished their pitch.

  • @lllllillllllllillll
    @lllllillllllllillll 8 лет назад +29

    100k for 40%? Fuck off love!

  • @eleenb
    @eleenb 12 лет назад +2

    Haha, they sent an order to Norway (where I live), and i have actually seen the magic whiteboard being used at my office!

  • @icedbannanas
    @icedbannanas 13 лет назад +6

    this is a friggin awesome idea. Imagine this out in some developed countries where they have to make makeshift classrooms. Or for the army when out in the field. Or in disaster areas where they have to make a plan for a small group of people....etc etc.

  • @shea42
    @shea42 4 года назад +5

    8:31 you can see the moment that Peter regrets going out

  • @Unbeginner
    @Unbeginner 13 лет назад +1

    I like it, I think could actually buy some. I'd love to have a whiteboard just about anywhere and do some equations on it.

  • @umarq-b8u
    @umarq-b8u 7 лет назад +10

    “So I go every day to the post offithhh”

    • @gman6055
      @gman6055 6 лет назад

      AbstractGaming best bit

  • @EdgyShooter
    @EdgyShooter 6 лет назад +7

    It seems like Peter Jones has mellowed a lot in recent years :')

  • @IHACKER316
    @IHACKER316 6 лет назад +1

    I WANT THIS - First time I ever wanted a Dragons den product

  • @HaydnRussell
    @HaydnRussell 11 лет назад +1

    Ironic how the top two comments are the same, yet are accusing someone of over-using a comment.

  • @robertroberts3rd265
    @robertroberts3rd265 3 года назад +1

    Why only half the episode?

  • @WATCHINGTHEWATCHERS
    @WATCHINGTHEWATCHERS 5 лет назад +2

    In the age of 4k pixels it's intresting to watch a video in just 100 pixels.

  • @nyagakarani4424
    @nyagakarani4424 6 лет назад +1

    This is great for those moving around with a projector.If it is white then it makes a great screen for a projector. Cause there are so many times that one walks into a place with a generator but there's no proper screen to project on

  • @bluelagoonuk8923
    @bluelagoonuk8923 4 года назад +3

    Cant believe how rude and arrogant the dragons were back then....glad they've mellowed with age!

  • @Jacno77
    @Jacno77 8 лет назад

    i rent a small room and i move around alot. I like writing and i was thinking the other day how the hell am i going to carry a white board to my place (i bought a nice white board before but again i moved and left it)? Mean while there was a cool white board rolls on the market

  • @Fingersofjoy
    @Fingersofjoy 6 лет назад

    You could put a couple of them together and make a screen to project movies onto

  • @mrsprincenelson5756
    @mrsprincenelson5756 6 лет назад +2

    I am in love with Theo! Think he is fascinating to watch x

  • @LukesEnglishPodcast
    @LukesEnglishPodcast 13 лет назад

    It's a good idea. It could replace those wasteful paper flip charts. It was just slightly underwhelmingly presented.

  • @Rizkiduwinanto
    @Rizkiduwinanto 10 лет назад

    Demands come from all over the world. please i need this thing!!

  • @mtcce
    @mtcce 10 лет назад

    "are you able to assure me today that there's nobody else worldwide manufacturing a similar product for that use?"
    i think i've seen something similar already when i was younger- my grandparents were in construction industry and those white 'stickers' were on surfaces everywhere, workers did always write/ doodle on them. i'm from taiwan.

  • @doctor1161
    @doctor1161 13 лет назад

    I've met Neil, not his wife and he demonstrated the magic whiteboard, blackboard and the first ever erasing sticky note. He is an amazing guy with a brilliant product which will sell on. Neil is a brilliant guy and some of us (including me) got to test out his product. We met him because he lives in Kingswinford (where I live) and he also went to the same school as I do currently(kingswinford school) and I guess he wanted to come back to see the new people who went to the same school as I do.

    • @Nickbaldeagle02
      @Nickbaldeagle02 2 года назад

      He's so brilliant he thought Brexshit was a good idea so he campaigned on twitter for it and now he can't export his magic whiteboards. D'OH!

  • @DJCRooK3D
    @DJCRooK3D 11 лет назад +1

    Where is the rest of this video???

  • @GarganoGambino
    @GarganoGambino 5 лет назад

    Where is the rest of that video? 🤣🤣🥊

  • @sharonb.7867
    @sharonb.7867 4 года назад

    How does it end?

  • @cybernautadventurer
    @cybernautadventurer 9 лет назад +5

    I don't quite get Peter Jones' reasoning for opting out.

    • @chrisr6950
      @chrisr6950 9 лет назад +6

      +The Real Mr J. He's short sighted without much imagination.

  • @ryanbrady4989
    @ryanbrady4989 11 лет назад

    The link to part 2 doesn't work. Still trying to find the second part of this vid.

  • @TekkenBones
    @TekkenBones 5 лет назад +2

    Peter Jones learned some lessons that day.

  • @Wrongback
    @Wrongback 11 лет назад +1

    Good youtube comeback.... We never meet....

  • @zhejiangzelda5309
    @zhejiangzelda5309 2 года назад +1

    Peter must be on some kush!

  • @guykruse6262
    @guykruse6262 7 лет назад

    Hi kids... been using your DD´s appearance to teach my students in Sonora, Mexico about speech, presentations , graphics and charts... most of them like your product, but find it expensive... What is your answer?

    • @nhsneil
      @nhsneil  7 лет назад

      We do an A4 Magic Whiteboard which is cheaper www.magicwhiteboard.co.uk/product/magic-whiteboard-a4-dry-erase-sheets/ and we do reusable whiteboard notebooks www.magicwhiteboard.co.uk/product/a4a-ruled-margin-reusable-whiteboard-notebook-8-pages/

  • @uzijn
    @uzijn 8 лет назад

    Where's the rest of the episode?

  • @jackcooper3307
    @jackcooper3307 8 лет назад

    00:41 anyone know where I can find this pitch??

  • @BigBrianStormer
    @BigBrianStormer 11 лет назад +3

    Starts at 2:20

  • @Crackpot_Astronaut
    @Crackpot_Astronaut 4 года назад +1

    This is brilliant.

  • @prithviappadoo476
    @prithviappadoo476 3 года назад

    What is the name of the business in the video please?

  • @alexoh4699
    @alexoh4699 11 лет назад +1

    I don't know if you still use youtube but Neil, you should try selling this to global NGOs and other organisations for use overseas in third world countries.

    • @Nickbaldeagle02
      @Nickbaldeagle02 2 года назад

      Or perhaps Neil could campaign for Brexshit and make it very difficult to export to anywhere. Oh, he has and now he's complaining about it. Oh dear. Got what he voted for. 😂

  • @meerkatandpug
    @meerkatandpug 8 лет назад +1

    What happens when there's no flat surface available?

    • @GherkmanProductions
      @GherkmanProductions 8 лет назад +16

      It falls off

    • @MrLeoHaslett
      @MrLeoHaslett 8 лет назад +1

      you've made my day

    • @emilyknight9627
      @emilyknight9627 8 лет назад +2

      that's the best refrence ive ever heard

    • @meerkatandpug
      @meerkatandpug 8 лет назад

      I guess there's always a wall..where there's a wall there's a way.

    • @8888EazyE
      @8888EazyE 8 лет назад

      +John Smith unless you're standing up, then it just falls off.

  • @supernewuser
    @supernewuser 10 лет назад +7

    Nice idea but come on man, you should at least have the full video! It's you in it!

  • @lunes-1
    @lunes-1 5 лет назад +2

    I guess the Dragons prefer classy green Teachers write board..?

  • @TytanTrollMiniatures
    @TytanTrollMiniatures 6 лет назад

    We meet again Mr. Anderson

  • @ukipwarrior
    @ukipwarrior 12 лет назад +1

    was very impressed with you guys

  • @AfridiZindabad
    @AfridiZindabad 8 лет назад

    I would get these can think of so many uses esp for home renovation

  • @mayamahmood7969
    @mayamahmood7969 7 лет назад

    Such a fantastic product,schools would find this so useful

  • @estheradebiyi6406
    @estheradebiyi6406 4 года назад +1

    Using it on uni room walls, makes sure I'll get back my deposit thank you!

  • @nhsneil
    @nhsneil  14 лет назад

    You can get from Rymans, Staples search Magic Whiteboard in google

  • @anibaldk
    @anibaldk 2 года назад

    Peter has never done any IT design at home, for example.
    I can hang it on my window, do all design work without having to worry about washing the glass (for example).

  • @ahmedsalim12
    @ahmedsalim12 13 лет назад

    wheres the rest?????

  • @Lauren72382
    @Lauren72382 5 лет назад

    Is there a part 2?

  • @liamfowley3658
    @liamfowley3658 6 лет назад

    where can i buy one

  • @Rizkiduwinanto
    @Rizkiduwinanto 11 лет назад

    Is this whiteboard available at indonesia?? i need this..

  • @shea42
    @shea42 4 года назад

    This looks like it's great for collaborative group work

  • @roygbiv3305
    @roygbiv3305 10 лет назад

    8:22-23 "currently selling 250 thousand rolls in japan." i like it. but ive never seen those wraps everywhere here in my country. after watching this, i searched the internet for the agent of it but i couldnt find it. without any agent, everyone can manufacture and sell it.

  • @jasminebower2305
    @jasminebower2305 5 лет назад +4

    Something's always bothering Peter!

  • @foofy3406
    @foofy3406 5 лет назад +8

    wow, the dragons really missed the mark with this one lol. love it when the little guy takes down the overgrown, arrogant aholes.

  • @aji08
    @aji08 13 лет назад

    He came to our school today.

  • @pokemongoofficial5999
    @pokemongoofficial5999 8 лет назад

    i´m from norway, and why did we buy this..?

  • @patrickbateman3944
    @patrickbateman3944 7 лет назад

    Video quality is astonishing. Crisp 144p.

  • @didikanttour
    @didikanttour 8 лет назад +1

    I REMEMBER WATCHING THIS EPISODE ABOUT 8 YEARS AGO AFTER AND SCREAMING WITH LAUGHTER AT PETER. LIKE CMON BRO, DID YOU NEED TO DESTROY HIS SELF-ESTEEM IS SUCH A MANOR😩

  • @sapiensproeliator
    @sapiensproeliator 12 лет назад

    seems like u havent uploaded part 2

  • @Mike8981
    @Mike8981 10 лет назад +1

    WHY cut it of there? lol

  • @jackcannon3511
    @jackcannon3511 6 лет назад

    why did it end without finishing

  • @djfriskyd1857
    @djfriskyd1857 6 лет назад

    How much is this business worth in 2018?

  • @Ihaaab
    @Ihaaab 8 лет назад +5

    Its not the dragons fault, its the couples fault for not explaining well what it could be used for

    • @nicedream1990
      @nicedream1990 5 лет назад +3

      They can think for themselves. They are supposed to be business people.

  • @rraannddoomm9389
    @rraannddoomm9389 6 лет назад

    I think this is a great idea! I would use this if I would be a student. If you cut them you can make post it thing out of it and you can use it for posters. Its really good.

    • @gh0510
      @gh0510 2 года назад

      They've made post it notes version of this

  • @ag.m.2280
    @ag.m.2280 5 лет назад

    144px??

  • @BigBrianStormer
    @BigBrianStormer 11 лет назад +1

    Thanks

  • @becton98
    @becton98 8 лет назад

    if these are just polypropylene sheets what exactly is patented

  • @10buffster
    @10buffster 5 лет назад +3

    Peter Jones: Bordering ridiculous why would I use this?
    Also Peter: Uses it just to say “I’m out”