McClellan’s explanation of chistos-anointing is childish in the extreme. Look, a king is anointed at his coronation. King Charles was anointed with oil last year. The oil came from Jerusalem, so he was anointed as King and Christ. Just as Mary Magdalene anointed Jesus at the House of Simon (Boethus). Yes, Charlie-boy is King Charles the Christ, just as Jesus was a real monarch called King Jesus the Christ. See my books “The King Jesus Trilogy” Ralph
Christ means anointed one not someone who anoints people to anoint someone historically for the most part just means ceremonially purifying someone with a liquid baptism could be viewed in this way. The only places you see drugs be administered in this way is in mystery groups. He could have been a special person in a mystery group. But to say he’s the designated lsd dropper for people’s eyes is a stretch
Exodus 30:23 (ESV) reads: Take the finest spices: of liquid myrrh 500 shekels, and of sweet-smelling cinnamon half as much, that is, 250, and 250 of aromatic cane (qənêh-bōśem) Kaneh Bosm = cannabis ingredient of anointing oils.
@@AscendtheMatter yes people get anointed but there is no eye drug of anointment at this time. Xrios definitely doesn’t mean that. I don’t think Jesus was in a huge mystery cult but just a small group with who knows was all involved but the word messiah is more prevalent than anything indicating he was a revolutionary
@@maxsrandomvideos- Do Americans READ their Bible? "He took the blind man by the hand and led him outside the village. When he had spit on the man’s eyes and put his hands on him, Jesus asked, 'Do you see anything?'" - Mark 8:23. Pretty clear example, huh?
@@scottmcloughlin4371 I’m talking about historical possibilities not biblical accounts because most of those accounts are recycled stories or stories to make a false narrative. We have to take these stories and ask what are they really trying to say or what are they trying to hide or where have we seen this before. Historically spit never helped anyone’s eyes however there have been healers known to do so. Historically there weren’t ceremonial compounds for this that is commonly known. As for what Ammon says I don’t entirely disagree but a mystic revolutionary is more of what seems plausible.
Not so. Messiah means anointed on. Christ means anointed, and more often than not (in texts outside the Bible), christ was simply anointing bandages, rags, wounds...with drugs. Christ just so happened to be the word the Greek writers chose to use as a translation of messiah. 11:00
🐶 I love my puppy. I make love to my partner. If you can understand that Love means something very different in those sentences, then you can see why Ammon’s argument is so bad.
Literally makes the point that the word correlates to “annointing” which is a huge theme in the OT as well. Anyone with half a brain reading the OT can see this instead of “ApPlyiNg DrUgs To eYeZ”
i think they are both correct. just depends how one reads the text. just because one reads it differently.. doesnt make it wrong. and NONE of us were around back then to truly know and anyone saying they 1000% have the answers are clowning. That's why i like and respect Ammon. He really isnt giving you his belief. He's giving us the actual info.. it's really up to you or i to decide what we believe to be true if that even matters in the end.
@@GetnBrainsThis is whats wrong with the world today. No offense to you but this sort of philosophy is tainting every one of our institutions. There is indeed a right answer and a wrong answer to things. Theres zero accountability when someones wrong, people just chalk it up to their interpretation. You cannot build or sustain a civilization if everyone is right. Take the time to determine what is true and reject what is false.
How can you be a bible scholar and not know the Greek?! You don’t know the language so you’re already at a disadvantage bruh. Also, Mormon? Incredible! You cannot be serious.
It seems to want to always use the modern biblical use and meaning of words as the actual meaning back then INSTEAD of understanding the true definition of a word as it was used back then.
Ammon is 10000% telling the truth. But the next layer of it is.. is the text or reading he is telling us about factual or was it some b.s. someone wrote down. that's where my issue comes up with it on both sides of the argument. Just because something is original or written, doesnt make it true or factual. imagine 4000 years from now someone finding news articles about Trump from the last few years. That person would have NO idea what was legit/true or b.s. ya know. Strange world we live in. The more we learn, the less we know.
Ammon is honest and competent. All we know about you is that truth offends you and you think a human is a fictional non-corporal creature.. thus is what Ammon is up against: vile, uneducated, people who's best arguments are name calling. I would really like to see Ammon start up some civil suits for slander of his good name
It's crazy how someone can believe a myth so deeply that they blind themselves from actually seeing the truth.... Nobody cares that the word GOD originally comes from the Germanic Nord Vikings as a title for Oden and has absolutely no reason being in a collection of books written by Hebrews and Greeks. . Nobody cares that no one named Jesus Christ lived 2023 years ago and it's impossible because the name didn't exist yet.... People will absolutely ignore historical facts and move forward with myths and legends
McClellan’s explanation of chistos-anointing is childish in the extreme. Look, a king is anointed at his coronation. King Charles was anointed with oil last year. The oil came from Jerusalem, so he was anointed as King and Christ. Just as Mary Magdalene anointed Jesus at the House of Simon (Boethus). Yes, Charlie-boy is King Charles the Christ, just as Jesus was a real monarch called King Jesus the Christ. See my books “The King Jesus Trilogy” Ralph
I think both are believers, so one should be cautious taking one or the other as truth, because both are biased. But both make a point and have interesting ideas about something that never will clear fully.
@@vicvic2081 this guest was incorrect when he said 80,000. Danny and Hillman did a podcast and looked it up. The correct number was 8,000 and Hillman was correct and this gentleman is incorrect
@@vicvic2081 Modern Hebrew doesn't even have 80k unique words unless you count compound words LOL "The number of distinct words in the Hebrew Bible is 8,679, of which 1,480 are hapax legomena,[61]: 112 words or expressions that occur only once. The number of distinct Semitic roots, on which many of these biblical words are based, is roughly 2000.[61]: 112 " - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_Bible
I've also listened to Rabbi Tovia Singer and HE is on record in one of his vids as stating that ancient Hebrew has only 8 or 9,000 words which is why to him it's a sacred language.
Your dogmas are made by a bunch of old rich guys who get to choose who is anointed and who isnt. Which is nuts right now an old man could stand up and tell you that the end is near and you would have to believe him as they have re done your dogma like 4 times in the past 80 years or something. I just think its wild that you are that smart about the bible but give it all up to shady dudes that have a doomsday clock right now. I am not trying to put you down i am just trying to rap my mind around your wealth of knowledge that you choose to lock off from your current religious views. Like do you really think Bob is anointed by god? What about Greg? Or Tammy?
Is it me or is his explanation of the king james version on how it translated words poorly because when first used it ment something else. Isn't that his rebuttal of what Ammon is saying. Am i bugging?
The Annointed. The Annointer. The opener of the eye to the reality of existence. The Great Healer. The One to cling to. It's astonishing how limited an English speaking brain can be. ❤️🔥🍻
tryna to sound smart has become a artform. How come no1 here is tlkn about the original story the Bible comes from... Ausar etc... read Walter Williams book the origins of Christianity 😂😂😂
Dan is “stuck” on understanding the word in context. Neither Ammon nor Jones has shown how “Christ” has anything to do with drugs in the context of the Christian writings. It is a translation of “messiah” and has a long tradition related to making kings.
@@scienceexplains302 revelation 3:18 if you read it in English you will kind of see it, if you read it in greek you will see the christ root word in final sentence. It's unmistakable that to Christ in revelation means to put an ointment in the eyes.
@@BLG80 Yes, the root word for Christ and anoint (Rev 3:18) have always been the same. What is translated as Jesus Christ means Jesus the anointed, as in king, because it is the context of a Jewish messiah (anointed). In Rev 3:18, they are not talking about anointing a king, but about healing blindness (at least literally), so they mention salve and eyes. If _enchrisai_ alone meant to apply salve to eyes, they wouldn’t need to mention salve or eyes.
It wouldn't make sense if you don't speak ancient Greek, would it? Now I have to wonder how someone who speaks ancient Hebrew doesn't know if there's 8,000 or 80,000 words? That's not a small margin of error! Shameless...
Same! Well said and i applaud ya. Seems like in todays world everyone immediately picks a side and then never want to change from it or admit they picked the wrong side. this type of knowledge is legit impossible to truly know the facts on. Just because texts,papers,books, scrolls etc said something.. doesnt make it factual or true. they could be lying or they could be interpreting their experience the wrong way thru their writings! who the hell knows but i also am very interested in learning all of it, from all sides!
Folks, remember context is a very hard thing to know especially for ancient texts/stories. The context everyone nowadays is using, is just a consensus, something they "think" is the context. These are all just guesses, understand that anyone can be right, including crazy ol' Dr. Ammon. Be rationally open-minded and stay away from dogma, it inhibits real progression.
This isn't something unique to Mormonism. This goes back to ancient Jewish practices. To meshech was to smear or pour oil upon the head in order to inaugurate.
Don’t they have anointing tubs and officially baptize the dead to claim as their own? Last I heard they had anointed Anne Frank no less than four times
0 (zero) rebuttal. He very nearly affirms Hillman's claims. Dan's explanation is pretty much: "Ammon is correct except when he's referring to the Hebrew scripture. These words are used exactly the way Ammon states they do,... except when talking about the Jewish messiah. Just everywhere else."
His point was very clearly that the word was used in multiple ways, but in the context of the Biblical writings it is being used with the older meaning. He is saying that Ammon lacks the evidence necessary to back the claim that Christ, as written by the gospel authors and Paul, was being used with that meaning in mind.
McClellan’s explanation of chistos-anointing is childish in the extreme. Look, a king is anointed at his coronation. King Charles was anointed with oil last year. The oil came from Jerusalem, so he was anointed as King and Christ. Just as Mary Magdalene anointed Jesus at the House of Simon (Boethus). Yes, Charlie-boy is King Charles the Christ, just as Jesus was a real monarch called King Jesus the Christ. Ralph
If you don’t agree with Dan then you didn’t listen at all. You were searching for a tickling of your ear, something that already agrees with you, and that’s auditory masturbation. He made the point that the way it’s used in the NT matches how it was used in the OT and Greek OT (Septuagint). The Greek OT was translated from the Hebrew, and the Hebrew word for messiah has the same connotation used in the NT… For Dan to be wrong you have to prove that the OT Hebrew meant Messiah in the same was as Ammon claims. It’s such a blatantly fallacious premise.
😂 Nothing burger 🍔 he doesn’t read or speak Attic Greek yet he’s certain that Ammon is wrong because, “ I’m a Bible Scholar & I know that’s not true “ No facts, just his idea of how things went down 2,000 yrs ago . He just refuses to accept the truth of the word, because he “Knows “ they would not use Christ in that context for Jesus. Its a faith based statement in the end…
Mostly true, he does attempt to bolster his arguments but it's always pertaining to Jewish and Christian sources, which he admits later are often perverted older sources to keep the cults in power
The Bible was not written in Attic Greek. And if you actually watched the video, he does actually read and speak Koine Greek, which is what the Bible was written in.
Now from this word, where does he get the drug? The Greek word we have for drug or sorcery ipharnaki which is where we get pharmaceuticals. Where is this word? The context of drug use has to do with sorcery where is he getting this connection because the pouring out of oil or the wiping on Oil does not imply drugs
Growing up Mormon we were indoctrinated to never doubt faith, which is just obsurd. Just as a surgeon can not operate from faith or belief, same goes if you are seeking truth. There are things that are for certain and where that ends faith and belief fill in the blanks, but those blanks are not for certain. Knowledge and skill will always overcome superstition and luck. If you seek truth you can eventually find it but if you become lazy or complacent you can become dogmatic and dogma is the tyranny of conformity.
This guy isn't like any Mormon I've seen before tbf. He seems like a Mormon version of "liberal Christians". He seems to fully acknowledge the fact that the Bible is a flawed compilation of literature created by humans, and doesn't approach his work through a theistic framework.
@jeremims9044 I was raised LDS. Once I developed critical thinking, I realised it was nonsense. This guy follows a blatantly untrue religion while schooling people on how another person's perception of the Bible is wrong.
@@gerardmooney9912 To be fair, he seems to also tell 99.9% of Mormons that their understanding of the Bible is wrong. He seems to have more in common with atheist scholars than religious apologists.
👁️ *Revelation 3:18* helps prove Dan‘s point. There the _chris_ root word *is* about putting salve on eyes, so it mentions salve and eyes. If _chris_ itself meant to put salve on eyes, they wouldn’t need to mention salve or eyes in Rev 3:18, especially because they have mentioned blindness in 3:17.
the word just means to apply or annoint..whether it's oil or soap or medicines which are "drugs" ..so oil was applied/annoint/ or rubbed on jesus...just like the book says...it's just word games
🙄 INCORRECT. You are making sht up. The word is CRISTI. Which means Christ. There is no other translation. And in Hebrew "מָשִׁיחַ" (Mashiach) which means Messiah. You are making crap up.
So according to dan we should read mark in a Christian context which developed in the 3rd and 4th centuries, and not read the greek as stylistically similar to greek sources floating around at that time 🤔. No i think rather mark is before the Christian context, he is shaping the context which would develop but he is a greek in the greek world and that kind of matters.
Ya, I thought the same thing. His point makes no sense to me. If you live in this Hellenistic world, and you’re educated in a Hellenistic world, it seems to me that you’ll use the language in the same way as your contemporaries.
@@GetnBrains well the English translation is much much later after centuries of this Christian context so the English is very far removed from the context it was written in. Inherent in all translations is the cultural milue of the translator. Which translation are you referring to btw?
@@BLG80 after this response and rereading ur original post. i 100% read the message in the wrong way. i apoligize sir, you are correct in ur thoughts. I do think we should put some stock into the later translations but the original work will always hold more value 1000%. Not saying you but ive come across some people who think reading something in text or a book means it's factual or something ya know lol. The original text could be wrong for all we know. I dont think anyone truly has a damn clue about anything anymore to be honest. Just as an example.. We all saw what happen to Mr Trump yesterday.. but some original postings said he fell, some said he was shot, some said it was fake, some said staged etc and that happened YESTERDAY with video. So only God knows the true meaning. Hope this made any type of sense lol im tired
i would need to see evidence that they were invaded, colonized, ect. I dont know why Hillman gets so much shit when this guy exists, with no basis. Hillman does give sources, he drops them occasionally. His subredditers have them, no one looks.
Bro so becoming the christ would literally mean you are the potent one, already anointed, I guess that's why he said be like him and unlock our right hemisphere (walking on water) not with drugs but through our shakra, one wouldn't need enhancements because we would also become christs. It seems as tho people were probably taking topical drugs to attain enlightenment perhaps, drugs do have a connection with other dimensions... Connecting the dots here ...
Ammon is correct. This is an indoctrinated man trying to grasp onto his indoctrinations. I too am a scholar who freaked out just before getting my title as a classist
@enemyofthethrone the one way to make certain that you don't change someone's mind is by insulting them, instead of just giving the correct info and source. What use is it to call someone unintelligent and not enlighten them? Unless of course you don't actually know, for certain, that what you were taught is correct...
@@MistaBaZ It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. I have no intention of of wasting my energy trying to convince the drones that they are stupid. They simply earned the derision and mockery.
Dan McClellan I have a lot of respect for you coming to the table to talk. You didn't have to do that. I don't care that you differ in your thoughts. It does matter to have diverse dialogue. I don't believe anyone should be trashing or writing you off.
correct. ❤ No hate, just different opinions. Ammon has gone deeper into the studies of greek. Dan has merged hebrew with greek. The importance has to be taken from what John the Baptist was speaking and what John the Baptist meant when he told Jeshua before He went to those 40 days in the desert that He is the Hristos. From my knowledge this is the point in history when Jeshua was referred to for the first time as Hristos. Hristos was a title. This is what John meant: he is THE ONE, like Morpheus told Neo = the anointed one. John the Baptist gave Jeshua a title. That means that both are right, but, in different contexts. What is curious is that only the priests were anointed to be in touch with the divinity in that time, and only by giving Jeshua this title brought the attention of the Hebrew priests. Practically Jeshua from Nazareth was judged by the community for being called Hristos. Back in the day it was blasphemy, as only the priests could do, through rituals, through applying drugs to virgins to get to be stung by the gadfly so their eyes could be open. Later on, after the use of that drug, the virgins, through rituals would become oracles. It could not be something natural - just by pure nature. This brought curiosity and attention upon Jeshua. John the Baptist knew this and this action only brought them both, in the end their death.
@@ExperienceFamilyGodEducation The Hebrew texts that have been found and translated are NOT translations. John makes it CRYSTAL CLEAR that Yeshua IS THE CREATOR in the Hebrew gospel of John which again IS NOT a translation from the Greek to Hebrew. It is a copy of a scroll that was ORIGINALLY written in HEBREW. That may seem like a minor detail but IT IS NOT.
@@robschaller9061have u been to that part of the world, or studied the names of ppl in that region 2000 years ago, bc finding ppl with names like Peter Paul and Mary, Matt Luke John Mark Joe etc would be like hitting the lotto 8 times in a row... That would be like finding ppl with those names in China or India at that time...do u know any Chinese or Indian ppl, go ask them their birth names and let me know how many are called Matthew Mark Luke and John LMAO
its fascinating to think that humans are not only subject to physical addictive substances at a chemical level but also a meme at a more abstract level - perhaps the neurological pathways are ultimately the same creating ' addiction'
2:03 the way i think about it is if the word 'xristos' was used originally in the context of a drug/antidote, then why would early christians use it as the title for their lord?
Except he is claiming that isn't the original use. He seems to be saying that it was used in multiple ways depending on context during certain time periods. Sort of like how the word "bark" can be used to refer to the exterior of a tree or the sound a dog makes.
because those who use christos (think dmt drops in eye) can speak to god, and can probably channel many other "gods" and beings. some say these are jester spirits, aliens, future us. theres a whole book on speaking to nostradamus by dolores cannon. i would look into her stuff, she used hypnosis to speak to your past self in past life regressions, nostradamus came through and told her of his prophecys, and the subconscious can come in to heal the body. some practitioners like alba weinman on youtube, use similar techniques to speak to past lives of ourselves, as far back as ancient greece. many "gods" come through on her channel. so lords being called gods because they controlled that stuff or it allowed them to speak to god makes sense. but hillman explains women were of spiritual power, not men. thats why men got so physically large, to compensate. and why witches in modern day would eventually be killed off
The dictionary translation of Greek defined xristos- as a NOUN or a VERB, so an ointment or salve (to be rubbed on), OR the act of applying that ointment, no? It seems Mr. McClellan is looking for some irrelevant controversy that doesn't hold much significance related to the messages brought down through the ages, of Jesus.
We've been here for over 50,000 years. The Abrahamic religions are very new in that time line. All 3 are if you are not with us, and if you say anything against us, you die. For hundreds of years. It's the foundation for never ending war on earth. If you leave the 66 and research where Jesus studied from 12 to 33 it gives you a better idea of what he must likely taught. Did ye not see in the text that ye are gods.
Isho the healer (Aramaic), Iesous (Koine Greek), Pati (Sanskrit) is successful at achieving Khristos. The ancienne attempt to bring about Osho or Khristos first referenced in Sanskrit and Cuneiform. Rule one in translation do not translate a name. If the name is translated question what you are reading.
"It is the Divine word of God" when it suits Christianity's purpose but when called out to explain it becomes a terrible "Novel Translation". Such hypocrites and liars. And we need to start calling them out everywhere on the streets and in our home town grocery stores for the liars they are.
He's a former professor of classics and one of the most highly regarded greek scholars of this age. If you think he's a nobody then your in for a rude awakening. All the truth is going to come out and we shall see what is left standing.
@BLG80 he fails at connecting the dots. His whole argument lands on the term being used for something else therefore it cant be anything else instead of word evolution. Its like saying homosexuals are all pedophiles because the term means a older man grooming a little boy. Eat the fish and spit out the bones for ammon ive seen him hiss twice for a split second while listening to other speak in a few intros. Ive watched half his videos he know whats he talking about in terms of classisics and older religion but he has failed to get me to leave gnosticism. Dont blindly believe anybody put the pieces together instead of having somebody build it for you. Hes teaching greek now so you can find out for yourself and thats what i plan to do and so should you.
@@linktv7979 I get that could be the case, emphasis on could be. In Christianity they eat the body of god and drink the blood a theophagy, that is a greek cultic act and may well inform how we should see the gospels in context, we know already that reading the gospels and trying to force a rabbinic Judaism context doesn't work, Because it's anachronistic. Jesus is a magician, doing miracles and sermons and it ends in a theophagy. It's totally Greco roman cult stuff. Even Nazareth the archeology their all orphic mystery mosaics everywhere, no Hebrew or old testament stuff anywhere. Even when he (jesus) quotes from the old testament a number of them verses are absent in older manuscripts, and the ones we have are kind of late anyway, so even that is in doubt. It's a giant mess and Dr Hillman's ideas are not that far fetched. This is a cult that actually thinks they eat the body of Jesus.
Brave attempt to bolster the consensus, but Dr Hillman is clearly more adept at translating Ancient Greek and determining context based on multiple cultural references of the time. Points for Dr Hillman on this argument.
Ammon Hillman and his Baloney :) One has to re-watch at the host's video with Ammon and the transcript copying EXACTLY what he said and post it here! :) Jesus was "anointed" by God NOT men , as David was by Saul!
Part 01: The transcript of what was asked AND said by Ammon Hillman! 0:01 Host: If you had a time machine and you could go to any place in history where would where was the first place you would go? 0:06 yeah I would go back to the Garden of Gethsemane The Garden of Gethsemane it's 0:13 The public park ==>where Jesus was arrested this moment when Jesus was arrested yeah yeah it's== 0:59 ==>And that's that's what I brought some examples of okay and this is in the garden actually that I brought these these slides for um okay and this is the Garden of Gethsemane we're with Jesus in the first and he's being arrested Jesus is a guy who walked around with 12 1:31 children okay yeah 1451 is that first slide I can pull up the passages and show different 3:16 ==> the the different versions and how it translates as well uh what passage is it
Him saying that his religios affiliation doesnt influence his interpretations is like a fox saying he can gaurd the henhouse but not have chicken for dinner
No. Just no. Heard of cultural christians? My guess is he converted for love, to become part of his wife's culture and community. There's no way in hell he doesn't see through the Mormon crap
At 16:08 Danny Jones makes the comment that it "perplexes him that so many scholars subscribe to the thing that they're studying"...Dan McLellan says that it seems "convenient" that it always lines up with what they want it to say. However, this seems to be the case with anyone that comes from a specific starting point, like in Matt Dillahunty's case. He wasn't an agnostic that just didn't know but really wanted to know. He came from the starting position that there is no God, and I find it so convenient that he continues to find "eveidence" that keeps him in this belief system. Same with you Dan, you're a Mormon that was probably taught growing up that God has a Father...Of course Dan still believes this because of the DSS textual variant of Deut. 32:8 that reads "sons of God" instead of "children of Israel". I find it convenient...why? Dan is choosing to accept the sugar packet sized textual variant of Deut:32:8 instead of the Masoretic reading, which is also attested in the Dead Sea Scrolls! He has both options but conveniently chooses the one that agrees with his initial starting point.
Most correct translation of Genesis 10:8 Cush brought forth rebellion himself to break the Covenant and became Tyrant on earth 10:9 He became Tyrant hunting faces turned to God, beyond true to say, Tyrants rebel when hunting faces turned to God
We know exactly what they meant in the bible!! Im not sure what you guys are talking about. We have all the earliest versions of the bible. We have the Dead Sea scrolls which are written in mostly Hebrew, with some Aramaic & Greek. We know exactly what every word means, and because we started as Hebrew Jews that broke off into Christianity, we know that the same customs were kept. The Jews have been very strict with keeping records, and keeping the knowledge of the cultures, rituals, and customs. Then we have all the evidence from second hand witnesses who wrote down what they witnessed the Jews & Christians say & do. The bible, both Old Testament - which is the part of the bible we study & give acknowledgment of our Jewish Hebrew lineage. Which is the Tanak-or five books of Moses from the Torah. Then we have the New Testament which describes the history of how Yeshua came to be the Messiah. How he was tortured, crucified, died, and rose from the dead on the 3rd day. Where over 500 people saw him alive again and witnessed him speak. All of it, both Old & New are 100% historical in nature, not allegorical. We know by the thousands of different writtings by non-Jewish & Non-Christian historians from that time, who wrote down what they witnessed. We also have massive amounts of evidence in archeology. It is proven true more & more every single year by modern archeological finds all over the Middle East.
Ask this guy what language works with changing claiming " I", to now claiming they are Watch out that no one deceives you.j 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. In my language anyone claiming he's the Christ is a deceiver. He is a deceiver
I would suggest you check out the Egyptian word Karast = Krst from which the Hebrew word Messiah and Greek word Christos comes even as the word Israel which is also the origin of ISRAEL meaning Isis- Ra- EL or Isis Amun Ra is God from the Egyptian Language. Christ is a State of Divine Consciousness. The origin of the Egyptian word Karast is from Kemet before it became Egypt and means some one who is Anointed as a Hero in there life time and is derived from the ancient Kemet word Heru a reborn mummy. Check Gerald Massey's work and research about the subject. The bible contains the Phase Anti Christ 5 times only: 4 times in 1st John and Once in 2nd John and they all have reference to any one who does not have Christ Consciousness which is the Divine promise of being born from Above in a New Covenant Creation thru the Renewing of the fallen Soul = Mind. Just something to consider as you move forward in you Soul journey.
Christ is the Son of Man and Son of God. He rules in heaven, incarnated in the flesh at will for the petfect shot to lock this physical realm from reaching the higher planes until all evil is destroyed. We are close, my brother's and sister's in Christ. Seek and you will find. Knock, and HE will answer. No amount of physical or chemical stimulation compares to the trip that is a relationship with your CHRIST and CREATOR. The written law is death, but the spirit giveth life!
Christ= Anointed one it is literally the Greek version of the Hebrew for Messiah, a chosen savior that was for told to come. It means exactly the same in Greek as it means in English. You can’t just dig your context out of ancient text, which are not really ancient text, their interpretations of ancient text for which we don’t really understand those languages by modern scholars. This is true with Homer. This is not true with the Bible. We absolutely understand. The Greek of the Bible and context has to be the Jewish context starting with the old Testament. Otherwise you would be judging , one can of symbolism against another, which would make no sense. You cannot equate the rainbow which in the Hebrew context is the promise of God not to flood the world again with a bridge to the other world, which is the context or symbology Nordic mythology. This is exactly what the guy is trying to pull , the scripture is written in Greek as it was told by the Hebrews and Zachariah 9 The fact that it is written half in Greek was predicted in the Old Testament here. The context you used to interpret scripture has to be scripture itself.
People confuse how words change over time… F A G used to be a pile of sticks and G A Y used to be synonymous for happy. Nowadays we use terms like “ its F I R E” = awesome or “ C O O L” = classy/good. Both those changed just in the past two decades. To take one fact to argue against the the entire narrative of the story doesnt help his point. It actually hurts it.
Christos is the fluid that travels down the spine and back to the seat of God the Pineal gland. Jacob said I have seen the face of the lord and you will find him in the place of Pineal. Coincidence I think not. Thank you William Donahue
Christ means the anointed one, which also means King, because Hebrew kings were anointed from the time of David (also meant that they were descendants of David and rightfully the line that can produce Kings). Today's English crown maintains a version of this tradition. Before doing random podcasts, it is better to rely on better sources. I'm not even Christian, but I'm looking so much because I study the Bible. After all, I found that it is interesting and presents some solutions to old problems. It is a literal translation of mashiach in the Old Testament (messiah in modern times). It is a recognition that he was the promised King that was prophetised. It is an affirmation that he was the fulfilment of the prophecy and he is the Truth. This interpretation is too farfetched. You may not understand the meaning, but you study the uses in the context they use to understand how it was used. It is mentioned enough times (530 times) to get the meaning. In all contexts of the Bible, it is used for prophetical purposes, for kings and prophets that have been anointed.
I agree and disagree, sure it can be to far to see but what drives you across the desert is not the details but what it means (you’re identity) with in, the spirit. A person can be easily identified but a group of persons create a spirit by definition a new meta person, How? Each individual group member has a perspective or imitation but together form the meaning or title, a virgin birth, from a metaphorical seed made into flesh but then people misinterpret and make a human centipede 😂sorry😢 dark humor 😅. William sacrificed his life and was destroyed by the church before he can finish but, King James got a crap load of scholars to finish the New Testament and kept William Old Testament translation. We don’t need the details to that degree, the spirit is there, it’s personal as your Father is to you, do you need specific details to know your Father? Your parent’s spirit is testimonial and you build a relationship with them and it transcends beyond flesh, becomes truth as the Word. If your parents lose body parts are they no longer worthy of your honor? In the beginning was the word and the word is God, the word made flesh, the alpha and omega, this transcends space and time. We’re the ones who are outdated, take a look around and compare minds not ruler sticks. Dr Ammond is a familiar, nothing new nor his satanic worship as Cain was introduced to Dracula and its fangs, Cain couldn’t bear being castaway from the Spirit. Medicine and advanced technology came from his bloodline and so Greek mythology. Eve and the snake bite caused hallucinations and communication with the snake therefore accepted the Anti-Christ as the antidote…she lost the word and became flesh, surely she died, Death is a transition, and she bite the apple and the audacity to think she could flip the hierarchy by convincing Adam to eat but her external influence couldn’t touch his heart and therefore his relationship with the Father couldn’t be shook. I guess the first domestic dispute 😊 Genesis and other books are the book of life, we are recorded now as we live and judge by its works, linage! Understand that and time no longer has a hold of you, it is you!❤ Of course my opinion and theory, only because of my personal relationship with the Trinity. In the name of Jesus Christ praise Yahweh!
He’s applying oil which represents the spirit to the head of the anointed. Christ means anointed one which is a reference to the Messiah. All has to do with context from the old Testament you can’t just bring in for an elements if you had a basic understanding of Greek, you would understand why it can’t be used this way. It is determined by the context in the language, it’s not like English. This is just like sin telling you that an ancient text that only 10 people can read is talking about aliens but none of the other people who can read it even remotely agree with him. They know he is a bullshitter. he understands the language and is lying to Mass because he can get away with and sell books.
Your example at 10:24 simply proved your guest's point. Euripides was plainly asking if it was an ointment or a consumable. An ointment is a topical application of something and only the specific context can you determine what the topical application is. For example if I apply a fragrant oil to my skin I have anointed myself. If I apply axel grease to an axel to decrease friction I have anointed it. If I apply a healing salve to my dog's wound, I have anointed the wound. In all three cases the substance used was different but the physical act of application was the same. As a further example, I am an herbalist and I make medicinal ointments but ointments need not be medicinal as I pointed out above. You lost the debate my friend and in the process I'm sorry to say you looked ignorant.
According to the originals text, the heavens and earth shall pass away but not the word of God.. “the gates of hell shall not prevail”… neither of you know Greek. ✌🏼
Let’s be honest, we shouldn’t be saying Jesus Christ, the Greek translators added that word, the true title of Jesus is The Messiah. Jesus The Messiah is the correct Biblical title of our savior.
Also, what other word would have been better used in greek to describe the verb “anointing”? Christ seems to fit perfectly. I.e. Jesus is the balm to sin and anointed like the kings of old. Makes perfect sense why this word was used.
A Mormon that believes that the king james is inferior… didn’t see that coming lol “Here look at Jude 22 the end of the Bible” These are the same beliefs that we will all become Gods and be eternal and create our own earth and become our own God the Father. Dangerous…
Bro… not a good rebuttal… sum it up to: a rock is defined as a stone but The Rock is obviously Dwayne the Rock Johnson
This is brilliant. Did you hear this from someone or did you come up with it yourself?
I couldn't agree with you more
McClellan’s explanation of chistos-anointing is childish in the extreme.
Look, a king is anointed at his coronation.
King Charles was anointed with oil last year.
The oil came from Jerusalem, so he was anointed as King and Christ.
Just as Mary Magdalene anointed Jesus at the House of Simon (Boethus).
Yes, Charlie-boy is King Charles the Christ, just as Jesus was a real monarch called King Jesus the Christ.
See my books “The King Jesus Trilogy”
Ralph
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nailed it!
Christ means anointed one not someone who anoints people to anoint someone historically for the most part just means ceremonially purifying someone with a liquid baptism could be viewed in this way. The only places you see drugs be administered in this way is in mystery groups. He could have been a special person in a mystery group. But to say he’s the designated lsd dropper for people’s eyes is a stretch
Exodus 30:23 (ESV) reads:
Take the finest spices: of liquid myrrh 500 shekels, and of sweet-smelling cinnamon half as much, that is, 250, and 250 of aromatic cane (qənêh-bōśem)
Kaneh Bosm = cannabis ingredient of anointing oils.
@@AscendtheMatter yes people get anointed but there is no eye drug of anointment at this time. Xrios definitely doesn’t mean that. I don’t think Jesus was in a huge mystery cult but just a small group with who knows was all involved but the word messiah is more prevalent than anything indicating he was a revolutionary
@@maxsrandomvideos- Do Americans READ their Bible? "He took the blind man by the hand and led him outside the village. When he had spit on the man’s eyes and put his hands on him, Jesus asked, 'Do you see anything?'" - Mark 8:23. Pretty clear example, huh?
@@scottmcloughlin4371 I’m talking about historical possibilities not biblical accounts because most of those accounts are recycled stories or stories to make a false narrative. We have to take these stories and ask what are they really trying to say or what are they trying to hide or where have we seen this before. Historically spit never helped anyone’s eyes however there have been healers known to do so. Historically there weren’t ceremonial compounds for this that is commonly known. As for what Ammon says I don’t entirely disagree but a mystic revolutionary is more of what seems plausible.
Not so.
Messiah means anointed on. Christ means anointed, and more often than not (in texts outside the Bible), christ was simply anointing bandages, rags, wounds...with drugs.
Christ just so happened to be the word the Greek writers chose to use as a translation of messiah.
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So is this the Latter Day Saints History of Jesus?
🐶 I love my puppy.
I make love to my partner.
If you can understand that Love means something very different in those sentences, then you can see why Ammon’s argument is so bad.
This makes me believe Ammon is correct even more....
Why????. That guy is total mental case liar fool
Why?
Literally makes the point that the word correlates to “annointing” which is a huge theme in the OT as well. Anyone with half a brain reading the OT can see this instead of “ApPlyiNg DrUgs To eYeZ”
i think they are both correct. just depends how one reads the text. just because one reads it differently.. doesnt make it wrong. and NONE of us were around back then to truly know and anyone saying they 1000% have the answers are clowning. That's why i like and respect Ammon. He really isnt giving you his belief. He's giving us the actual info.. it's really up to you or i to decide what we believe to be true if that even matters in the end.
@@GetnBrainsThis is whats wrong with the world today. No offense to you but this sort of philosophy is tainting every one of our institutions. There is indeed a right answer and a wrong answer to things. Theres zero accountability when someones wrong, people just chalk it up to their interpretation. You cannot build or sustain a civilization if everyone is right. Take the time to determine what is true and reject what is false.
Danny, why don't you get both in the same room and have them discuss the language and usages
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I got the impression that this guy doesn't know linguistics.
@@gavinjames1145he knows enough to get by. He hasn't immersed truly
I thought the same thing
Cause duck tales dan won't!
Or cage fight..
Thank you for proving "scholars" are just building upon the failures of the previous scholars.
How can you be a bible scholar and not know the Greek?! You don’t know the language so you’re already at a disadvantage bruh. Also, Mormon? Incredible! You cannot be serious.
He doesn't know modern greek.
Well theres the planet stuff
Greek version was made to deceive the world by the devil
How can you define what the Christ means in an ancient judeo-christian context without knowing biblical hebrew (Hillman)?
I don't think one needs to be full fluent to study the texts.
It seems to want to always use the modern biblical use and meaning of words as the actual meaning back then INSTEAD of understanding the true definition of a word as it was used back then.
I believe Ammon is telling the truth
Look how often Dan says he is.
Ammon is 10000% telling the truth. But the next layer of it is.. is the text or reading he is telling us about factual or was it some b.s. someone wrote down. that's where my issue comes up with it on both sides of the argument. Just because something is original or written, doesnt make it true or factual. imagine 4000 years from now someone finding news articles about Trump from the last few years. That person would have NO idea what was legit/true or b.s. ya know. Strange world we live in. The more we learn, the less we know.
Team Ammon for the win! 😈
He is 100% a Demon. 😈
Ammon is honest and competent. All we know about you is that truth offends you and you think a human is a fictional non-corporal creature.. thus is what Ammon is up against: vile, uneducated, people who's best arguments are name calling. I would really like to see Ammon start up some civil suits for slander of his good name
It's crazy how someone can believe a myth so deeply that they blind themselves from actually seeing the truth.... Nobody cares that the word GOD originally comes from the Germanic Nord Vikings as a title for Oden and has absolutely no reason being in a collection of books written by Hebrews and Greeks. . Nobody cares that no one named Jesus Christ lived 2023 years ago and it's impossible because the name didn't exist yet.... People will absolutely ignore historical facts and move forward with myths and legends
How if they have different talking points. One is a religious discussion and the other is how language was used.
McClellan’s explanation of chistos-anointing is childish in the extreme.
Look, a king is anointed at his coronation.
King Charles was anointed with oil last year.
The oil came from Jerusalem, so he was anointed as King and Christ.
Just as Mary Magdalene anointed Jesus at the House of Simon (Boethus).
Yes, Charlie-boy is King Charles the Christ, just as Jesus was a real monarch called King Jesus the Christ.
See my books “The King Jesus Trilogy”
Ralph
I think both are believers, so one should be cautious taking one or the other as truth, because both are biased.
But both make a point and have interesting ideas about something that never will clear fully.
dan is spouting pure bullshit lol
Danny needs to add a caption to say he was wrong about the 80k words.
He was incorrect. Hebrew only had 8,000 words as pointed out in Danny's podcast on lady Babylon
80,000
@@vicvic2081 this guest was incorrect when he said 80,000. Danny and Hillman did a podcast and looked it up. The correct number was 8,000 and Hillman was correct and this gentleman is incorrect
@@vicvic2081 Modern Hebrew doesn't even have 80k unique words unless you count compound words LOL
"The number of distinct words in the Hebrew Bible is 8,679, of which 1,480 are hapax legomena,[61]: 112 words or expressions that occur only once. The number of distinct Semitic roots, on which many of these biblical words are based, is roughly 2000.[61]: 112 " - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_Bible
I've also listened to Rabbi Tovia Singer and HE is on record in one of his vids as stating that ancient Hebrew has only 8 or 9,000 words which is why to him it's a sacred language.
Ok and your point?? If you are trying to imply that 8,000 words isn't enough to clearly convey sophisticated concepts and ideas, you are loony toons
Sorry Danny. This feels like a trip to the dentist. Ive got a flyswatter you can borrow when youve had enough of this nerd
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@@TXMagiDude yup
Your dogmas are made by a bunch of old rich guys who get to choose who is anointed and who isnt. Which is nuts right now an old man could stand up and tell you that the end is near and you would have to believe him as they have re done your dogma like 4 times in the past 80 years or something. I just think its wild that you are that smart about the bible but give it all up to shady dudes that have a doomsday clock right now. I am not trying to put you down i am just trying to rap my mind around your wealth of knowledge that you choose to lock off from your current religious views. Like do you really think Bob is anointed by god? What about Greg? Or Tammy?
Is it me or is his explanation of the king james version on how it translated words poorly because when first used it ment something else. Isn't that his rebuttal of what Ammon is saying. Am i bugging?
My Latin teacher taught me that a “dead language” is one where the verb forms no longer change. This guy gives a really good explanation.
The Annointed. The Annointer. The opener of the eye to the reality of existence. The Great Healer. The One to cling to. It's astonishing how limited an English speaking brain can be. ❤️🔥🍻
This guy is hilarious 😂
tryna to sound smart has become a artform. How come no1 here is tlkn about the original story the Bible comes from... Ausar etc... read Walter Williams book the origins of Christianity 😂😂😂
Because Walter Williams didn't read Greek. There's no way he could have known this information.
Yeah this guy is really stuck on attributing the anointing part to the modern understanding of Jesus. He’s not understanding.
By modern do you mean the understanding going back 2000 years?
@@Vitamin.Z Exactly
Dan is “stuck” on understanding the word in context. Neither Ammon nor Jones has shown how “Christ” has anything to do with drugs in the context of the Christian writings. It is a translation of “messiah” and has a long tradition related to making kings.
@@scienceexplains302 revelation 3:18 if you read it in English you will kind of see it, if you read it in greek you will see the christ root word in final sentence. It's unmistakable that to Christ in revelation means to put an ointment in the eyes.
@@BLG80 Yes, the root word for Christ and anoint (Rev 3:18) have always been the same. What is translated as Jesus Christ means Jesus the anointed, as in king, because it is the context of a Jewish messiah (anointed).
In Rev 3:18, they are not talking about anointing a king, but about healing blindness (at least literally), so they mention salve and eyes.
If _enchrisai_ alone meant to apply salve to eyes, they wouldn’t need to mention salve or eyes.
It wouldn't make sense if you don't speak ancient Greek, would it?
Now I have to wonder how someone who speaks ancient Hebrew doesn't know if there's 8,000 or
80,000 words? That's not a small margin of error!
Shameless...
I’m not taking sides. I’m interested in learning from scholars.
Same! Well said and i applaud ya. Seems like in todays world everyone immediately picks a side and then never want to change from it or admit they picked the wrong side. this type of knowledge is legit impossible to truly know the facts on. Just because texts,papers,books, scrolls etc said something.. doesnt make it factual or true. they could be lying or they could be interpreting their experience the wrong way thru their writings! who the hell knows but i also am very interested in learning all of it, from all sides!
@@GetnBrainsIndependent search for Truth!
He is making it up as he goes along ....Ammon is using source texts this guy is just saying nnnaaahhhhh
Misrepresenting what the texts say isn't scholarship. Dan is a legitimate scholar.
@@enemyofthethrone Ammon is also a scholar
@@enemyofthethronewhat Ammon has a doctorate and a PhD you are off your meds or vaxxed
He says it's just not true with no references or who knows maybe Simba is born and beeepppp how can you take this idiot seriously
Yeah it's called lying to save face. Which is what Christians do.
1:25 lol So Ammon is right but not right at the same time, yo the haterade is strong
Folks, remember context is a very hard thing to know especially for ancient texts/stories.
The context everyone nowadays is using, is just a consensus, something they "think" is the context.
These are all just guesses, understand that anyone can be right, including crazy ol' Dr. Ammon.
Be rationally open-minded and stay away from dogma, it inhibits real progression.
He is lame but job
His Mormon is showing through his position on anointing. Anointing in the mormon church is a fundamental practice
This isn't something unique to Mormonism. This goes back to ancient Jewish practices. To meshech was to smear or pour oil upon the head in order to inaugurate.
Don’t they have anointing tubs and officially baptize the dead to claim as their own? Last I heard they had anointed Anne Frank no less than four times
Apologists are not seeking truth.
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Yes, but Dan is not one
0 (zero) rebuttal. He very nearly affirms Hillman's claims.
Dan's explanation is pretty much: "Ammon is correct except when he's referring to the Hebrew scripture. These words are used exactly the way Ammon states they do,... except when talking about the Jewish messiah. Just everywhere else."
But he gets that wrong to some extent as well.
His point was very clearly that the word was used in multiple ways, but in the context of the Biblical writings it is being used with the older meaning. He is saying that Ammon lacks the evidence necessary to back the claim that Christ, as written by the gospel authors and Paul, was being used with that meaning in mind.
You can refer to someone who disrupts the status quo as a gadfly
Like Socrates
Hebrew was a dead language, no one spoke this as a primary language (during the Hellenistic period). Hebrew was only used liturgically.
McClellan’s explanation of chistos-anointing is childish in the extreme.
Look, a king is anointed at his coronation.
King Charles was anointed with oil last year.
The oil came from Jerusalem, so he was anointed as King and Christ.
Just as Mary Magdalene anointed Jesus at the House of Simon (Boethus).
Yes, Charlie-boy is King Charles the Christ, just as Jesus was a real monarch called King Jesus the Christ.
Ralph
If you don’t agree with Dan then you didn’t listen at all. You were searching for a tickling of your ear, something that already agrees with you, and that’s auditory masturbation.
He made the point that the way it’s used in the NT matches how it was used in the OT and Greek OT (Septuagint). The Greek OT was translated from the Hebrew, and the Hebrew word for messiah has the same connotation used in the NT…
For Dan to be wrong you have to prove that the OT Hebrew meant Messiah in the same was as Ammon claims.
It’s such a blatantly fallacious premise.
😂 Nothing burger 🍔 he doesn’t read or speak Attic Greek yet he’s certain that Ammon is wrong because, “ I’m a Bible Scholar & I know that’s not true “ No facts, just his idea of how things went down 2,000 yrs ago . He just refuses to accept the truth of the word, because he “Knows “ they would not use Christ in that context for Jesus. Its a faith based statement in the end…
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Mostly true, he does attempt to bolster his arguments but it's always pertaining to Jewish and Christian sources, which he admits later are often perverted older sources to keep the cults in power
@@beyondtheillusion333 Jesus is real and it happened.
@@BabyOfTheLord oookie
The Bible was not written in Attic Greek. And if you actually watched the video, he does actually read and speak Koine Greek, which is what the Bible was written in.
This entire interview boils down to McClellan admitting that Hillman's statements could essentially be true
Now from this word, where does he get the drug?
The Greek word we have for drug or sorcery ipharnaki which is where we get pharmaceuticals. Where is this word? The context of drug use has to do with sorcery where is he getting this connection because the pouring out of oil or the wiping on Oil does not imply drugs
Nah, I believe Ammon. How can I believe a guy that wears Disney t shirts. He might have fit right in with the christ.
Dudes talking about myths what's wrong with humans, it's all nonexistent nonsense
Jesus doesn't care much for the name given to him by religion. Jesus is also Greek " Hail Zeus".
You mean Emmanuel?
@@Jonathan-yr3so no
Growing up Mormon we were indoctrinated to never doubt faith, which is just obsurd. Just as a surgeon can not operate from faith or belief, same goes if you are seeking truth. There are things that are for certain and where that ends faith and belief fill in the blanks, but those blanks are not for certain. Knowledge and skill will always overcome superstition and luck. If you seek truth you can eventually find it but if you become lazy or complacent you can become dogmatic and dogma is the tyranny of conformity.
Oh and the reason Im not mormon anymore, is because i grew up mormon.
Congratulations I left fundamentalist Baptist/evangelical
@@AB-tg5mxinteresting. Can you explain that? I grew up mormon and still am. So that doesn't make sense.
@@jeremims9044 Watch the South Park episode about Mormons 😂😂😂
This guy isn't like any Mormon I've seen before tbf. He seems like a Mormon version of "liberal Christians". He seems to fully acknowledge the fact that the Bible is a flawed compilation of literature created by humans, and doesn't approach his work through a theistic framework.
This guy's creditably is gone the moment I heard LDS
Facts, the absence of understanding Greek and the DuckTales shirt is a cherry on top
Why is that exactly?
@jeremims9044 I was raised LDS. Once I developed critical thinking, I realised it was nonsense. This guy follows a blatantly untrue religion while schooling people on how another person's perception of the Bible is wrong.
@@gerardmooney9912 To be fair, he seems to also tell 99.9% of Mormons that their understanding of the Bible is wrong. He seems to have more in common with atheist scholars than religious apologists.
👁️ *Revelation 3:18* helps prove Dan‘s point. There the _chris_ root word *is* about putting salve on eyes, so it mentions salve and eyes.
If _chris_ itself meant to put salve on eyes, they wouldn’t need to mention salve or eyes in Rev 3:18, especially because they have mentioned blindness in 3:17.
“Apply the ointment,” must mean to want to be part of the ointment, because I know what “apply for a job” means.
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Sorry Danny. Love your show, but can’t watch this guy talk any longer. Hope it goes quick and isn’t too much of a torture for ya. 😂😂
What side makes you a better person? Go with that…
I’m convinced he just wanted to flex his target tees
the word just means to apply or annoint..whether it's oil or soap or medicines which are "drugs" ..so oil was applied/annoint/ or rubbed on jesus...just like the book says...it's just word games
But what kind of oil? Did it have something a little extra in it? Cause people at the time were absolutely doing that
Drugs like Tyrean purple in liquid form or snake venom.
🙄 INCORRECT. You are making sht up. The word is CRISTI. Which means Christ. There is no other translation. And in Hebrew "מָשִׁיחַ" (Mashiach) which means Messiah. You are making crap up.
So according to dan we should read mark in a Christian context which developed in the 3rd and 4th centuries, and not read the greek as stylistically similar to greek sources floating around at that time 🤔. No i think rather mark is before the Christian context, he is shaping the context which would develop but he is a greek in the greek world and that kind of matters.
Ya, I thought the same thing. His point makes no sense to me. If you live in this Hellenistic world, and you’re educated in a Hellenistic world, it seems to me that you’ll use the language in the same way as your contemporaries.
but wouldnt that make sense? a translation would come after the original unless i read ur message wrong.
@@GetnBrains well the English translation is much much later after centuries of this Christian context so the English is very far removed from the context it was written in. Inherent in all translations is the cultural milue of the translator. Which translation are you referring to btw?
@@BLG80 after this response and rereading ur original post. i 100% read the message in the wrong way. i apoligize sir, you are correct in ur thoughts. I do think we should put some stock into the later translations but the original work will always hold more value 1000%. Not saying you but ive come across some people who think reading something in text or a book means it's factual or something ya know lol. The original text could be wrong for all we know. I dont think anyone truly has a damn clue about anything anymore to be honest. Just as an example.. We all saw what happen to Mr Trump yesterday.. but some original postings said he fell, some said he was shot, some said it was fake, some said staged etc and that happened YESTERDAY with video. So only God knows the true meaning. Hope this made any type of sense lol im tired
i would need to see evidence that they were invaded, colonized, ect. I dont know why Hillman gets so much shit when this guy exists, with no basis. Hillman does give sources, he drops them occasionally. His subredditers have them, no one looks.
Bro so becoming the christ would literally mean you are the potent one, already anointed, I guess that's why he said be like him and unlock our right hemisphere (walking on water) not with drugs but through our shakra, one wouldn't need enhancements because we would also become christs. It seems as tho people were probably taking topical drugs to attain enlightenment perhaps, drugs do have a connection with other dimensions... Connecting the dots here ...
That is the lie Satan told Eve... "you will be just like God"
Ammon is correct. This is an indoctrinated man trying to grasp onto his indoctrinations. I too am a scholar who freaked out just before getting my title as a classist
This is why I freaked out
Read the Tynsdale version ok
Love his DuckTales shirt was my jam n looks like old authentic one
It looks smelly
isn’t the mormon church based on a guy who claimed he could read hieroglyphics and it the future was proved to be full of shit
That's probably the most ridiculous comment I've read today
Ammon goes undefeated
Then you are either not paying attention or too unintelligent to know the difference.
@@enemyofthethrone What is difference? Pls explain. I try to understand.
@enemyofthethrone the one way to make certain that you don't change someone's mind is by insulting them, instead of just giving the correct info and source. What use is it to call someone unintelligent and not enlighten them? Unless of course you don't actually know, for certain, that what you were taught is correct...
@@MistaBaZ It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. I have no intention of of wasting my energy trying to convince the drones that they are stupid. They simply earned the derision and mockery.
@@saltybits9954 the difference is one came with receipts and facts and one did not. It really is that easy.
Dude isnt a classist so how is this a rebuttal
Dan McClellan I have a lot of respect for you coming to the table to talk. You didn't have to do that. I don't care that you differ in your thoughts. It does matter to have diverse dialogue. I don't believe anyone should be trashing or writing you off.
correct. ❤ No hate, just different opinions.
Ammon has gone deeper into the studies of greek.
Dan has merged hebrew with greek.
The importance has to be taken from what John the Baptist was speaking and what John the Baptist meant when he told Jeshua before He went to those 40 days in the desert that He is the Hristos.
From my knowledge this is the point in history when Jeshua was referred to for the first time as Hristos.
Hristos was a title. This is what John meant: he is THE ONE, like Morpheus told Neo = the anointed one. John the Baptist gave Jeshua a title.
That means that both are right, but, in different contexts.
What is curious is that only the priests were anointed to be in touch with the divinity in that time, and only by giving Jeshua this title brought the attention of the Hebrew priests.
Practically Jeshua from Nazareth was judged by the community for being called Hristos. Back in the day it was blasphemy, as only the priests could do, through rituals, through applying drugs to virgins to get to be stung by the gadfly so their eyes could be open. Later on, after the use of that drug, the virgins, through rituals would become oracles. It could not be something natural - just by pure nature.
This brought curiosity and attention upon Jeshua.
John the Baptist knew this and this action only brought them both, in the end their death.
@@ExperienceFamilyGodEducation The Hebrew texts that have been found and translated are NOT translations. John makes it CRYSTAL CLEAR that Yeshua IS THE CREATOR in the Hebrew gospel of John which again IS NOT a translation from the Greek to Hebrew. It is a copy of a scroll that was ORIGINALLY written in HEBREW. That may seem like a minor detail but IT IS NOT.
@@robschaller9061have u been to that part of the world, or studied the names of ppl in that region 2000 years ago, bc finding ppl with names like Peter Paul and Mary, Matt Luke John Mark Joe etc would be like hitting the lotto 8 times in a row...
That would be like finding ppl with those names in China or India at that time...do u know any Chinese or Indian ppl, go ask them their birth names and let me know how many are called Matthew Mark Luke and John
LMAO
He's a straight up liar.
its fascinating to think that humans are not only subject to physical addictive substances at a chemical level but also a meme at a more abstract level - perhaps the neurological pathways are ultimately the same creating ' addiction'
This guys is trying soooo hard to debunk everything
Danny is?
2:03 the way i think about it is if the word 'xristos' was used originally in the context of a drug/antidote, then why would early christians use it as the title for their lord?
what if he was known for using said drug? He was the christos. get it?
Except he is claiming that isn't the original use. He seems to be saying that it was used in multiple ways depending on context during certain time periods. Sort of like how the word "bark" can be used to refer to the exterior of a tree or the sound a dog makes.
because those who use christos (think dmt drops in eye) can speak to god, and can probably channel many other "gods" and beings. some say these are jester spirits, aliens, future us. theres a whole book on speaking to nostradamus by dolores cannon. i would look into her stuff, she used hypnosis to speak to your past self in past life regressions, nostradamus came through and told her of his prophecys, and the subconscious can come in to heal the body. some practitioners like alba weinman on youtube, use similar techniques to speak to past lives of ourselves, as far back as ancient greece. many "gods" come through on her channel. so lords being called gods because they controlled that stuff or it allowed them to speak to god makes sense. but hillman explains women were of spiritual power, not men. thats why men got so physically large, to compensate. and why witches in modern day would eventually be killed off
Was this really the whole thing?? Get Ammon and this dude to actually debate. It's interesting...
This guy is not competent enough to ascertain such matters... HE is way behind the curve....
How come nobody debunks Buddah or Shiva? Jesus must be threatening😂Beeeeeta!!
This made my day. JP is awesom
😂 of course he's not. If you go to where Buddha (learn to spell) or Shiva are worshipped there will be people addressing it.
@@thetruest7497 how come I can't FIND anything you say on INTERNET...it is because YOUR FULL OF Shit🤣
It's cause the eastern traditions are more open about their symbolic nature and not so autistic about having to believe it literally
Probably because they are losers.....Buddha and Shiva are a joke
This was interesting.
Remeber when "j" was invented
The dictionary translation of Greek defined xristos- as a NOUN or a VERB, so an ointment or salve (to be rubbed on), OR the act of applying that ointment, no?
It seems Mr. McClellan is looking for some irrelevant controversy that doesn't hold much significance related to the messages brought down through the ages, of Jesus.
word salad
6:05 The Christ should mean The ointment, lol, its not that hard to understand.
The rock is the third eye, or what Jesus called the single eye, egypt called it the eye of rah.
We've been here for over 50,000 years. The Abrahamic religions are very new in that time line. All 3 are if you are not with us, and if you say anything against us, you die. For hundreds of years. It's the foundation for never ending war on earth. If you leave the 66 and research where Jesus studied from 12 to 33 it gives you a better idea of what he must likely taught. Did ye not see in the text that ye are gods.
Isho the healer (Aramaic), Iesous (Koine Greek), Pati (Sanskrit) is successful at achieving Khristos. The ancienne attempt to bring about Osho or Khristos first referenced in Sanskrit and Cuneiform. Rule one in translation do not translate a name. If the name is translated question what you are reading.
@@CaseTrick Great information. Thank you. I'll look all this up.
"It is the Divine word of God" when it suits Christianity's purpose but when called out to explain it becomes a terrible "Novel Translation". Such hypocrites and liars. And we need to start calling them out everywhere on the streets and in our home town grocery stores for the liars they are.
Not sure who this Ammon guy is people keep referencing but Dan crushes him decisively.
He looks demon possessed
He's a former professor of classics and one of the most highly regarded greek scholars of this age. If you think he's a nobody then your in for a rude awakening. All the truth is going to come out and we shall see what is left standing.
@BLG80 he fails at connecting the dots. His whole argument lands on the term being used for something else therefore it cant be anything else instead of word evolution. Its like saying homosexuals are all pedophiles because the term means a older man grooming a little boy. Eat the fish and spit out the bones for ammon ive seen him hiss twice for a split second while listening to other speak in a few intros. Ive watched half his videos he know whats he talking about in terms of classisics and older religion but he has failed to get me to leave gnosticism. Dont blindly believe anybody put the pieces together instead of having somebody build it for you. Hes teaching greek now so you can find out for yourself and thats what i plan to do and so should you.
@@linktv7979 I get that could be the case, emphasis on could be. In Christianity they eat the body of god and drink the blood a theophagy, that is a greek cultic act and may well inform how we should see the gospels in context, we know already that reading the gospels and trying to force a rabbinic Judaism context doesn't work, Because it's anachronistic. Jesus is a magician, doing miracles and sermons and it ends in a theophagy. It's totally Greco roman cult stuff. Even Nazareth the archeology their all orphic mystery mosaics everywhere, no Hebrew or old testament stuff anywhere. Even when he (jesus) quotes from the old testament a number of them verses are absent in older manuscripts, and the ones we have are kind of late anyway, so even that is in doubt. It's a giant mess and Dr Hillman's ideas are not that far fetched. This is a cult that actually thinks they eat the body of Jesus.
@@BLG80 heard him. He's a clown.
Brave attempt to bolster the consensus, but Dr Hillman is clearly more adept at translating Ancient Greek and determining context based on multiple cultural references of the time. Points for Dr Hillman on this argument.
I’m with God!
Which one?
16:48 So you also mean Physics and medical Dr's as well then? The entire world runs on the principle you find so baffling.
OR…OR…maybe Jesus was just a glistening great smelling guy walking around what really fragrant perfumes and oils.
Ammon Hillman and his Baloney :)
One has to re-watch at the host's video with Ammon and the transcript copying EXACTLY
what he said and post it here! :)
Jesus was "anointed" by God NOT men , as David was by Saul!
Part 01:
The transcript of what was asked AND said by Ammon Hillman!
0:01 Host: If you had a time machine and you could go to any place in history
where would where was the first place you would go?
0:06
yeah I would go back to the Garden of Gethsemane
The Garden of Gethsemane it's
0:13
The public park
==>where Jesus was arrested this moment when Jesus was arrested yeah yeah it's==
0:59
==>And that's that's what I brought some examples of okay and this is in the garden actually that I brought these these slides for um okay and this is the Garden of Gethsemane we're with Jesus in the first and he's being arrested Jesus is a guy who walked around with 12
1:31
children okay yeah 1451 is that first slide I can pull up the passages and show different
3:16
==> the the different versions and how it translates as well uh what passage is it
Him saying that his religios affiliation doesnt influence his interpretations is like a fox saying he can gaurd the henhouse but not have chicken for dinner
No. Just no. Heard of cultural christians? My guess is he converted for love, to become part of his wife's culture and community. There's no way in hell he doesn't see through the Mormon crap
Ah man, come on! Homeboy is a Mormon! 🤦♂️
Talk about an ad hominem fallacy
And?
At 16:08 Danny Jones makes the comment that it "perplexes him that so many scholars subscribe to the thing that they're studying"...Dan McLellan says that it seems "convenient" that it always lines up with what they want it to say.
However, this seems to be the case with anyone that comes from a specific starting point, like in Matt Dillahunty's case. He wasn't an agnostic that just didn't know but really wanted to know. He came from the starting position that there is no God, and I find it so convenient that he continues to find "eveidence" that keeps him in this belief system.
Same with you Dan, you're a Mormon that was probably taught growing up that God has a Father...Of course Dan still believes this because of the DSS textual variant of Deut. 32:8 that reads "sons of God" instead of "children of Israel". I find it convenient...why? Dan is choosing to accept the sugar packet sized textual variant of Deut:32:8 instead of the Masoretic reading, which is also attested in the Dead Sea Scrolls! He has both options but conveniently chooses the one that agrees with his initial starting point.
Most correct translation of Genesis 10:8 Cush brought forth rebellion himself to break the Covenant and became Tyrant on earth
10:9 He became Tyrant hunting faces turned to God, beyond true to say, Tyrants rebel when hunting faces turned to God
His kimg james explanation.....is exactly the same arguement w hebrew and greek. Jaded fellow
We know exactly what they meant in the bible!! Im not sure what you guys are talking about. We have all the earliest versions of the bible. We have the Dead Sea scrolls which are written in mostly Hebrew, with some Aramaic & Greek. We know exactly what every word means, and because we started as Hebrew Jews that broke off into Christianity, we know that the same customs were kept. The Jews have been very strict with keeping records, and keeping the knowledge of the cultures, rituals, and customs. Then we have all the evidence from second hand witnesses who wrote down what they witnessed the Jews & Christians say & do. The bible, both Old Testament - which is the part of the bible we study & give acknowledgment of our Jewish Hebrew lineage. Which is the Tanak-or five books of Moses from the Torah. Then we have the New Testament which describes the history of how Yeshua came to be the Messiah. How he was tortured, crucified, died, and rose from the dead on the 3rd day. Where over 500 people saw him alive again and witnessed him speak. All of it, both Old & New are 100% historical in nature, not allegorical. We know by the thousands of different writtings by non-Jewish & Non-Christian historians from that time, who wrote down what they witnessed. We also have massive amounts of evidence in archeology. It is proven true more & more every single year by modern archeological finds all over the Middle East.
Ask this guy what language works with changing claiming " I", to now claiming they are
Watch out that no one deceives you.j 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many.
In my language anyone claiming he's the Christ is a deceiver. He is a deceiver
I would suggest you check out the Egyptian word Karast = Krst from which the Hebrew word Messiah and Greek word Christos comes even as the word Israel which is also the origin of ISRAEL meaning Isis- Ra- EL or Isis Amun Ra is God from the Egyptian Language. Christ is a State of Divine Consciousness. The origin of the Egyptian word Karast is from Kemet before it became Egypt and means some one who is Anointed as a Hero in there life time and is derived from the ancient Kemet word Heru a reborn mummy. Check Gerald Massey's work and research about the subject. The bible contains the Phase Anti Christ 5 times only: 4 times in 1st John and Once in 2nd John and they all have reference to any one who does not have Christ Consciousness which is the Divine promise of being born from Above in a New Covenant Creation thru the Renewing of the fallen Soul = Mind. Just something to consider as you move forward in you Soul journey.
Christ is the Son of Man and Son of God. He rules in heaven, incarnated in the flesh at will for the petfect shot to lock this physical realm from reaching the higher planes until all evil is destroyed.
We are close, my brother's and sister's in Christ.
Seek and you will find.
Knock, and HE will answer.
No amount of physical or chemical stimulation compares to the trip that is a relationship with your CHRIST and CREATOR.
The written law is death, but the spirit giveth life!
Christ= Anointed one it is literally the Greek version of the Hebrew for Messiah, a chosen savior that was for told to come. It means exactly the same in Greek as it means in English. You can’t just dig your context out of ancient text, which are not really ancient text, their interpretations of ancient text for which we don’t really understand those languages by modern scholars. This is true with Homer. This is not true with the Bible. We absolutely understand. The Greek of the Bible and context has to be the Jewish context starting with the old Testament. Otherwise you would be judging , one can of symbolism against another, which would make no sense. You cannot equate the rainbow which in the Hebrew context is the promise of God not to flood the world again with a bridge to the other world, which is the context or symbology Nordic mythology. This is exactly what the guy is trying to pull , the scripture is written in Greek as it was told by the Hebrews and Zachariah 9 The fact that it is written half in Greek was predicted in the Old Testament here. The context you used to interpret scripture has to be scripture itself.
People confuse how words change over time… F A G used to be a pile of sticks and G A Y used to be synonymous for happy. Nowadays we use terms like “ its F I R E” = awesome or “ C O O L” = classy/good. Both those changed just in the past two decades.
To take one fact to argue against the the entire narrative of the story doesnt help his point. It actually hurts it.
Christos is the fluid that travels down the spine and back to the seat of God the Pineal gland. Jacob said I have seen the face of the lord and you will find him in the place of Pineal. Coincidence I think not. Thank you William Donahue
Christ means the anointed one, which also means King, because Hebrew kings were anointed from the time of David (also meant that they were descendants of David and rightfully the line that can produce Kings). Today's English crown maintains a version of this tradition. Before doing random podcasts, it is better to rely on better sources. I'm not even Christian, but I'm looking so much because I study the Bible. After all, I found that it is interesting and presents some solutions to old problems. It is a literal translation of mashiach in the Old Testament (messiah in modern times). It is a recognition that he was the promised King that was prophetised. It is an affirmation that he was the fulfilment of the prophecy and he is the Truth. This interpretation is too farfetched. You may not understand the meaning, but you study the uses in the context they use to understand how it was used. It is mentioned enough times (530 times) to get the meaning. In all contexts of the Bible, it is used for prophetical purposes, for kings and prophets that have been anointed.
I agree and disagree, sure it can be to far to see but what drives you across the desert is not the details but what it means (you’re identity) with in, the spirit. A person can be easily identified but a group of persons create a spirit by definition a new meta person, How? Each individual group member has a perspective or imitation but together form the meaning or title, a virgin birth, from a metaphorical seed made into flesh but then people misinterpret and make a human centipede 😂sorry😢 dark humor 😅. William sacrificed his life and was destroyed by the church before he can finish but, King James got a crap load of scholars to finish the New Testament and kept William Old Testament translation. We don’t need the details to that degree, the spirit is there, it’s personal as your Father is to you, do you need specific details to know your Father? Your parent’s spirit is testimonial and you build a relationship with them and it transcends beyond flesh, becomes truth as the Word. If your parents lose body parts are they no longer worthy of your honor?
In the beginning was the word and the word is God, the word made flesh, the alpha and omega, this transcends space and time. We’re the ones who are outdated, take a look around and compare minds not ruler sticks. Dr Ammond is a familiar, nothing new nor his satanic worship as Cain was introduced to Dracula and its fangs, Cain couldn’t bear being castaway from the Spirit. Medicine and advanced technology came from his bloodline and so Greek mythology. Eve and the snake bite caused hallucinations and communication with the snake therefore accepted the Anti-Christ as the antidote…she lost the word and became flesh, surely she died, Death is a transition, and she bite the apple and the audacity to think she could flip the hierarchy by convincing Adam to eat but her external influence couldn’t touch his heart and therefore his relationship with the Father couldn’t be shook. I guess the first domestic dispute 😊 Genesis and other books are the book of life, we are recorded now as we live and judge by its works, linage! Understand that and time no longer has a hold of you, it is you!❤
Of course my opinion and theory, only because of my personal relationship with the Trinity.
In the name of Jesus Christ praise Yahweh!
He’s applying oil which represents the spirit to the head of the anointed. Christ means anointed one which is a reference to the Messiah. All has to do with context from the old Testament you can’t just bring in for an elements if you had a basic understanding of Greek, you would understand why it can’t be used this way. It is determined by the context in the language, it’s not like English. This is just like sin telling you that an ancient text that only 10 people can read is talking about aliens but none of the other people who can read it even remotely agree with him. They know he is a bullshitter. he understands the language and is lying to Mass because he can get away with and sell books.
Your example at 10:24 simply proved your guest's point. Euripides was plainly asking if it was an ointment or a consumable. An ointment is a topical application of something and only the specific context can you determine what the topical application is. For example if I apply a fragrant oil to my skin I have anointed myself. If I apply axel grease to an axel to decrease friction I have anointed it. If I apply a healing salve to my dog's wound, I have anointed the wound. In all three cases the substance used was different but the physical act of application was the same.
As a further example, I am an herbalist and I make medicinal ointments but ointments need not be medicinal as I pointed out above.
You lost the debate my friend and in the process I'm sorry to say you looked ignorant.
According to the originals text, the heavens and earth shall pass away but not the word of God.. “the gates of hell shall not prevail”… neither of you know Greek. ✌🏼
Let’s be honest, we shouldn’t be saying Jesus Christ, the Greek translators added that word, the true title of Jesus is The Messiah.
Jesus The Messiah is the correct Biblical title of our savior.
Also, what other word would have been better used in greek to describe the verb “anointing”? Christ seems to fit perfectly. I.e. Jesus is the balm to sin and anointed like the kings of old. Makes perfect sense why this word was used.
Lewis Harrison. OH YOU BECAME A YOU TUBE EVANGELICALIST?
You can't be a believing Mormon and engage in this topic objectively. You can appear to, but you can't.
A Mormon that believes that the king james is inferior… didn’t see that coming lol
“Here look at Jude 22 the end of the Bible”
These are the same beliefs that we will all become Gods and be eternal and create our own earth and become our own God the Father.
Dangerous…