This One Surprised Me...
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
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Time for another Flea Market amp test. Today we will look at the American Legacy LA3090D, the largest monoblock from Legacy's 2005 amplifier lineup. Although the amp states "3000W" on the plexi panel, the manual mentions 1200W RMS or 3000W max. It is not unusual for amps like this to have bloated ratings and usually they don't even state RMS numbers. Let's find out if it's legit or not...
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Can I send my amp to you for repair
Hey big d I scored a free amp on market place seem the remote input was lose so score for me it's a audison sr 1dk any good looked online and seems decent but cant find any tests on it
i guess I'm quite off topic but do anyone know of a good website to stream new movies online?
@Brentley Sullivan lately I have been using Flixzone. You can find it by googling =)
@Chaim Arlo definitely, have been watching on FlixZone for years myself =)
What in the flea market hell is going on here?!?! No way I expected that amp to do anywhere close to rated!! Great video as always my friend
Surprising, I know! She's almost legit!
Lmfaooooo that's funny
Remember when I was trying to give him 2 of the LA1490 amps a year ago. I expected them to preform this good. Just because I've had 4 of them and seen what damage they did to 6 SPLW 12" subs.
It might do numbers but won’t likely last long
@@bigal5190 its 2020 that amp has lasted a long time already bro
NO YOU DIDNT! Dude you just made me relive my childhood. I loved this amp.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
I know..... I had one on two Memphis fifteens.....
i have the LA1990 still do ROFL it is in my basement collecting dust. i am going to use it in my impala bridged to 1 12"
Hahaha
Had one of these for two old l7 12s I never got to run cuz I got it all off eBay before I could drive haha 🤣 I figured it was junk as hell so I sold it off for more than I paid for it and dude loved it ! Lol 😂
This amp always sounded good on 2 12's and even 15's... plus it never broke the bank, we always laughed at the 3000 on the front though, we always assumed it was about 1000 watts, glad to see it make closer to that.... classic amp there, it got many of my friends into car sound/audio
Pyramid was doing everything they could to sell amps. Good to see they went legit if only for a short period 🤔
@@wal their best line was SUPER PRO series amps .
Size of the subs dont matter
Trudeau Must go I got 4 10’s set up & still don’t hit as hard as when I had 2 15 with way less power. It he’ll sure does .
@@trudeaumustgo1920 there is no replacement for displacement
Nice, this was my first sub amp ever. Ebay for 120 bucks, purchased alongside 2 planet audio12s and for the money was perfect. Thanks Big d for that shot of nostalgia. Huge fan of the channel, you are always polite and humble as well as honest and knowledgeable. Appreciate you and thanks again.
Thank you do for bringing back old memories:-). I had one of these back in the day worked well. Still have my rockford fosgate 1000a just fixed some cracked soldering on the audio inputs side can't wait to try it back out😁
These amps have a market. I like seeing these vids. I'm an old schooler . I had the old Precision Power Art Series in my first car, bumping Techmaster PEB. I like watching the vids. From Focal to Audiopipe, from McIntosh to Pyle, I love it all. Keep up the good work,
Techmaster PEB, damn that takes me back
lousmith84 go back and listen to it now that we are older. You will realize how amazing techmaster, bass boy, and bass 305 were. Waaaay ahead of their time.
Techmaster PEB was pretty good I still have about 80-100 old-school bass songs. Blew my dad's 12" house speakers with PEB when I 12. Then I took the speaker out of box and seen the magnet and tiny voice coil and I was not was not surprised it went lol.
I remember these we had 2 of them each pushing 4 10s in the bed of a single cab s10 with a port through into the cab. We were less than a grand in on the build but she slammed.
There ya go!
Maybe it's just the camera angle but the output cap on the right hand side, second row looks like it is starting to bulge.
If it is that could explain the dirty power.
Either way I was impressed with the Amp, thanks for the great videos!
You guys miss nothing! Wow, could be part of the prob or it may just not like 1 ohm resistive
@@wal I used to do electronics repair for mostly hifi and televisions. Watching your gut shots always makes me happy looking at different amplifier designs.
I would be really curious if you were to replace that cap if it would make a difference.
You have no idea how happy it makes me that you replied to my comment! Thanks bigD!!
I saw the same thing.
@tyler amburg 2:48 right under the D. Kinda hard to see though
7:06 all the way to the right (big caps) 2nd down
I remember doing an install a while back for a customer that brought in a similar American Legacy amp and 2 Dr. Crankenstein 10" subs. That setup actually pounded beyond what I expected.
Enjoyed the video. Legacy was the first car audio amp that I owned as a young teenager back when I first began driving. Had my Legacy amp hooked up to a pair of 10" Infiniti Reference series subs. Surprisingly the sound quality from the subs was very nice, of course it was no ground pounder but for a teenager in his first vehicle it was good times.
*Note car audio was A LOT more expensive during those days too... Taramps, Banda, Stetsom, Timpano, full bridge Brazilian amps etc... None of that was around back then. So buying a 5k rms amp for $380, a 8k rms amp for $475 just didn't happen back then.
I remember in the early 2000's this amp being for sale all over the Internet, every lowball cheap site had it.
My dad had this amp back in the day, I loved the way it looked, he have it in square body crown Victoria
WOW that did a lot better than expected!
Agreed!
Thank you for putting a clip of this amp pushing a sub! Always love to see some excursion
Man this video takes me back. Reminded me of my first amps which were Boss and American Pro amps. They were great for the price but definitely flea market status.
Shit i remember rocking them urban purple amplifiers and them super pro subs and old school pioneer subs too.
Well dang !! That was impressive for an old school flea market amp.. better then some new ones .. awesome, thanks for another great video
Thanks for watching and commenting!
I miss the days of Pyramid and Legacy. I know they were off brand amps but sometimes you just want to put some sounds in your ride on the cheap ends.
They still going, still around
@@wal yeah I know they still around but barely. Nothing like they used to be. Pyramid got me into car audio. I made it work with them.
My first sub was a pyramid 10 inch wedged into rear deck and rear glass! Free air! No box! 🤣😂 To be young again!!
Can't believe this thing almost did rated power! I definitely remember seeing these amps back in the day, and I never, ever thought they did close to rated. That's crazy! Thanks for the surprise video Big D!
I like positive surprises 👌
Very surprising for a flea market amp! Great video Big D!
I thought the same!
My First amp was a Legacy. Had it powering a JL W4 D4 12 in an Omni in 1997. This thing actually ripped the spider from the cone. Rated at only like 320 rms. The JL dealer would only warranty it out if THEY installed the new woofer in the car and had their installer verify it wasn't user error. They were happy with the install , grounds wiring...o scope the gains. Turns out this thing had alot of head room. They couldnt believe it for a swap meet amp. I got an Alpine V12 Expert and a second w4 soon after.
Can't believe they still make these things. It was stupid cheap. Cheaper than BOSS.
I actually really like the design. Very cool looking :) Excellent video as always!!
I had 2 1600 watt American Legacy2 amps on 4 kicker l5 12s in highschool
Legacy red series 2 was my first amp back when I was 16 bought it new at the pawn shop in 05. Pretty decent little amps if your on a part time job budget just don't expect to be winning any db drag racing contest.
That's pretty great! I've always strayed from these amps 2nd hand because they just scream cheap. I see them at pawn shops all the time for cheap and if its putting out that much power this could definately be a score!
i had one of these back in the day and its actually did pretty dang good , tho i noticed when you pulled the cover off this amp looks to be repaired , the sleeves missing on the fets was the give away . makes me curious if the power was effected in any way by the parts / repair ?
You just drove the price of this amp up like the Orion. Before the amp test Orion hcca amps were at a very reasonable price, but after the amp dyno they damn near doubled the price of all of them. Lol
It sucks too because everyone is looking for that deal.
In 2011 when i was in highschool i knew a guy that ran one of these on 2 Alpine type R. 10" subs in a slot vented box. It bumped almost as good as my MMats D200HC and rockford t1d4 10" in a custom built vented box. I was impressed with how hard his setup hit for being almost half as much as mine was. Now i know why,that amp gets down considering.
Pyramid Gold / Superpro series old man Jim in the Raleigh Flea Market mall Back in the day
I’m sure I bought stuff from him!
There was a Pyramid Superpro amp back in the day early/mid 90's that had the exact same guts, heatsink, and everything as the PPI art series.
This was my first amp. It seemed like it was loud back then. Really did. Thanks for doing the vid bro
I'm a power electronics designer (mostly 3 phase motor drives), maximum power is always obtained at right around 50% efficiency. While it sucks from an efficiency standpoint, it's literally delivering the most power it's physically capable of. She's given you all she's got!
I remember the American legacy and power acoustic amps as a teenage .They were the only amps i could afford but they did the job,sometimes to good for my cheap ass speakers
Turns out some were better than others
I used to own this amp years ago it worked great and looked amazing
I had a red American Legacy amp for my first amp... It wasn't too bad either! It pushed my subs hard enough to be fun. Then I replaced it with an Xtreme 800w monoblock, which did even better... Ah, high school. Cheap no-name amps and horrible installs. But hey, it lead to a career for me!
IMO flea market for the win I bought one of these for $50 back in the day had it on a couple Fosgate Punch 12's in a ported box and it made me more than happy it pounded for over 2yrs in my work truck with absolutely NO problems Cheap power that just did it's job day in day out 👍🏾 Another top notch video from my guy BigD Wiz
Awesome feedback. See, not all flea market amps are junk 🤙
I recently got an American Legacy Series 2 LA690 4 Channel amp. I tried to find specs but they were vague. Some said 4 x 250 @ 4 ohms, but that doesn't sound possible. One guy said they used an o-scope to measure power and it did 690 watts total, 345 watts per bridged channel, but didn't specify impedance. I tested mine with a 12 volt battery and load resistors and got 33 watts per channel into 4 ohms, so I figured about 66 watts per channel into 2 ohms, and 132 watts per bridged channel into 4 ohms. When I bridged 2 channels I got 66 watts into 4 ohms, indicating 33 per channel into 2 ohms, so the amp is not doubling power by halving impedance.
I had one of those when I was like 17 on a pair of kove 12's my mirror and windshield got a divorce. Good video brought back some memories!
The red on the PCB is called solder mask. You can get solder mask in many different colors.
I think all the masks are sold out 👈🤣
I like the circuitry in this one, simple and well laid out and chose good components
Single sided PCB. Simple and effective
A late friend of mine had this amp for 7 years with the matching red 1200w (lol) 12inch subs. Flea market special. With our homemade enclosure, he hit high 130s and shake the pics off the wall at our apartment. R.I.P. TJ
--thanks for the video Big D
Bring back Gibraltar Trade Center!
When Jensen joined the "MOSFET" class of amplifiers, they were actually fantastic for the price, I used them in my boat and have had them completely under water and they still worked after they dried out! Needless to say, I was astonished by that. The subs however did not fare so well with the water... (there was a crack in the hull from river racing, it was a Wriedt Custom jet boat).
I love the Cylon look of the amp and the heatsinks contrasting against the chrome.
Thank you for explaining the current draw vs fuse rating deal. Didn’t know that at all till now.
Why's everyone writing about when they had one of these? Why not that you have one? I still have mine. Got it off eBay in maybe 2003, and am still using it today! Nice to see its living up to the power rating.
This was my very first bass amp in my Nova 1.3 back in 2001 running x2 jbl 300rms 12inch subs sounded so good and had it for 5 years . Used to pull up and have partys round the car lol , the Good old days lol .
2006 I had a small stereo shop at a Flea market . I sold about 5 of these I never had one brought back .
I Installed an l7 12” kicker in a sealed box IT WAS A BEAST CUSTOMER WAS VERY HAPPY .
Phase shift is Something I wish that more amplifiers come with because depending on the position of my speakers, I will need the phase shift to balance out the difference in wavelength.
Even though it did a good amount of watts, we still need to see how long it can last at rated power. And the efficiency on this one holds me back because I would need two times the batteries to run it.
This must have been the top of the line amp in JC Whitney catalog that year! For those folks who couldn't quite afford the Profile California and USAcoustics amps in Crutchfield!
I remember ALL THAT!!!
Dirty power that works lol 😂
Salutes for the great videos as always big d wiz.
I use to have a 2 channel legacy rebel 1200 watt amp and it would push 2 12 inch re audio stupid loud lol.
The re audio 12 s were the older version 600 rms rated each.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
The input capacitors can supply a large amount of energy during the burst sessions. That is how they don't blow fuses, and can reach burst power over rated.
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I had this amp back in the day. But i liked my old amp it beat that mess out 4 12” Sub’s! Loved the old amp!
I bought Lanzar 6 channel about a year ago. I finally made time on July 4th teach my son to install an amp. It’s BT. It’s the HTG669bt. I was very surprised how it pushed a pair of 2-ohm CDT-690sex. And a 6.5 Gately Resilient. I did have time to install my mono lock Rockford. How this heritage line bridged down to 1 ohm on the 6x9s. I realize they over rate their amps. But for $106 dollars on Amazon. It’s worth that. It’s seems Pyle has stopped producing most of the heritage line. I want the 8 channel now. However, inflation makes most equipment not worth the price.
180 degrees is all the degrees you needz lol. If you need more for whatever reason, you can flip the polarity of the speaker terminal and then use the phase adjustment from there :)
Looking forward to the next vid, as always. Hopefully you bring out the distortion detector soon, its been a while!
I have a new, fancy THD analyzer you’ll see soon 😬
I installed a smaller 2 channel version of this amp way back in the day. Against my advice the customer said bridge it to his 2 single 4ohm Memphis m class 12” subwoofers in a custom down firing ported box we built for his ext cab s10. I remember it sounding very clean and putting out decent power, not close to what it said but it never shut off and I know over a year later he was still running it at 1 ohm without issue.
Wow that’s cool! Thanks for the feedback 👌
Love this.. got a question.. big d , isn't this amp rated at 1.3 ohms for 1200w .. maybe 1ohm was too low and wasn't making the clean power.
I’m extremely surprised I never thought it would even do 600 watts.
Me too
Williston Audio Labs I remember seeing these for sale all the time back in early 2000’s and always wondering if it was just a looks gimmick. Now I’m wishing I would of bought a few back then lol!
Williston Audio Labs like to see the one that says 1600 watt on it tested now
Owned the 1200watts one to this way back in the day with 3 pioneers. Honestly that was one the loudest system I owned! Everyone stopped me and ask me what I got in the trunk.
I never expected a legacy to hit its rms figures. Every legacy I encountered was a piece. Very nice video!
Since you're on Flea Market amps, The best amps I found back in the mid-ninties was the old B-52. Specs blew away almost everything in old Precision Power and JL . Super Clean.
Oh man... I love flea market gear. Please test more!!!
I used to own that same amp , back in 05 , never thought it would come close to doing anywhere near rated power , but definitely knew it wasn't clean power , after all it's a maxxsonics brand, not bashing maxxsonics at all, just they are not known for clean power , I had it pushing a Power Acoustik Fubar dual 2 ohm 12 in a sealed box in a ford focus and it beat the back dash out and rear door panels off so I was very excited to see it on the dyno , always wondered what it was actually putting out , I have to say they were built pretty tough , I upgraded subs to a Punch hex dual 1 ohm and broke it in with this amp at half ohm , while saving up for a fosgate amp
not maxxsonics.
I had this amp in the year 2005 I loved the look of it. But after a couple of years it would get very hot very quick. Mine was class A/B, I didn’t even know they made class D
Would like to make a correction regarding the fuse explanation... musically the instantaneous current WILL exceed 80A but the RMS current will not typically exceed 80A. That is to say, as long as the RMS current stays below 80A, the fuse will not heat up enough to blow. This raises a question, in terms of the pulsed dynamic track, what is the duty cycle of the beat? I'd venture to say that you could measure accurately, you can get an even higher wattage if the duration of the beat was even shorter.
Finally IV been asking you to test that amp for a year
I had one of them the 1600watt version and it pounded my w7 12
There ya go 👌
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Very cool to see a cheapo do so well..nice find derek
I'm watching this in my bedroom on my PC which is hooked to a 3 piece sub/sat system. During the sub-woofer test my coffee cup walked across my desk.
I remember seeing these at Big Top Flea Market in Tampa Florida, but they were always out of my price range...WAY out of my price range. I ended up going to BestBuy and getting two chrome plated 600w Kenwood amps with the two meters on the top for the same price range as this amp. It ran my two JL Audio 15s in my Exploder and I could bounce a full Coke can 10 feet in the urr. After that setup I went with two Diamond Audio 12s with a 1500 watt Diamond amp.
kind of reminds me of the original Street Wire amps. Great price point for the budget minded. Thanks as always Big D!
Yes they do! Those were much nicer though
This flea market series rocks. I’ve always had this thing to see what could be done with cheap power. Not everything was as bad as it’s made out to be. I knew many a guys with good systems built from “flea market” brands. If that’s what you got to work with, work with it.
I'm so surprised. Wow. Thanks again for another great video.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Very impressive numbers. Especially for an old school Legacy amp👍👍
I had this amp back in the day! Never got it installed in my car though. I didn’t know how to do that back then and didn’t have any friends to help me. Eventually just sold the amp.
I had a Legacy LA590 2 channel amp back in the day. Worked great for what it was. Had it on a couple Audiobahn 10s (back before Audiobahn was junk). It hit harder than the Lanzar 1000 watt amp I swapped over two. Put the LA590 on a couple 4 way 6x9s. Worked amazing on those as well.
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I sold the hell out of these back in the day. We always did 4 free air pioneer 12s on a deck wall behind the rear wall of the car. Old school shit
I saw the picture and thought "Hey, I had that amp back in the day" It worked really well for my 2 Sony P5's in a sealed box.
*Commented before watching*
After watching and hearing it came out in 2005 is perfect! Senior year! lol
great video, reminded me of the good old days.
Excellent video as always. I believe you'll find irf3710 or rfp22n10 mosfets in this old boy. Something most probably don't know about amplifiers is the designs are usually done by the silicon manufacturer and not who builds one and puts there brand/logo on the cover. These amps were no exception. They're designed by Renesas/Intersil. Search an9525.pdf and you'll find the original design. Most amplifiers are either a derivative, or a straight datasheet copy from the silicon manufactures appnote or paper. Cheers
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Are you sure that's not a rebadged Autotek like those sneaky "Power Acoustik" cheater amps that had Autotek boards from the late 90s? It looks like one from what I see through the plexi. There were also a couple of other amps in the late 90s that had Autotek internals. A friend had one "fry" and I opened it up to find that the power lug had just unscrewed from the circuit board. I screwed them all snug and soldered it so they'd stay connected. The amp never had an issue after that, was a monster two channel. It was also white and the brand makes me think of Precision Audio or some other cheesy knockoff, it had the strip of red leds down the top middle of the amp but it definitely performed.
I had a legacy amp back in the day. Budget amp that pushed 2 12 jbl subs. Didn't sound bad at all
preforms well and Looks good! the god of flea market amps!
going to be doing anymore p.a amp vids... specifically behringer ep series amps ? thanks.. great vids bro
I remember these Amps, they hit hard! QUESTION... What is the difference between the certified and uncertified? I've been (will say) tinkering with car audio for 20 years but don't know why a lot of things work, I just know how to make it do what it it's supposed to.
great video! if possible i d love to see some testing with one of the car amplifiers made by avatar, from the tsunami series. they have 5 different amps iirc. the 0.5kw, 1kw, 1.5kw, 2kw and the 3.5kw.. keep doing what you re doing man! :)
Did way better than expected, very surprised 24db per octave x-over. Big bang for the buck. Sound quality? Musical?
I remember this amp brand from back in the day and I always wanted one. To me this is a great amp with great power especially for the price.
I liked it too 👌
Had that same amp years ago...is a workhorse for sure but gets REALLY hot but never gave up.
Have you considered picking up one of the old audio gods amplifiers? They are old school and made in the USA. Curious about them since they were largely overlooked as junk.
Man one of the best amps i ever owned hands down id say its better than any kicker mtx or any amp i ever owned id beat it all day everday no problems...hade them beating the old school audio pipes the ones with the lil mic under the words man i lv the amp
I’ve had one of these amps for about15 yrs it is used as my bedroom stereo amp. it’s been pounding my 2 12” kicker DVC speakers for years!! If it ain’t broken don’t fix it :-)
This is why I state that you can not count fuses to determine how many watts a amp can produce.
But I used a few of these amps back in the day with a good amount of success...but the price and performance made this a great choice for the street bangers.
And lets remember this ps competition? It handled its own😎
I had the 1400.2 and always bridged whatever I hook to it, it never blew and I actually sold it for $160 and it had a remote bass knob, that's what sold it so easy.. it sounded pretty good, had it on 4 kick solo barric 10s the ohm loud I'm not even sure, probably 1ohm
Had this amp. Kept catching on fire. But after putting it out it would still bump!! Love old pyramid! Lol
Heck this amp with 8- 8ohm 12's DAAAAM all in parallel BOOOM !!
With the exception of the open center and chrome cladding it looks to be shaped like their old Gold Series amps, which were surprisingly good sub amps given their price point and Pyramid's reputation 😄
Awe yeah!
Man this takes me back!!! Bought mine from "The Andersons" store for 120$... had it running 4 10 inch Crossfire subs.... Lol
Sure would've killed to have it when I was in high school. And at that price, I could've swung it easy.
I put an amp from this same maker on a customer's boat as a sub amp, customer supplied it. I didn't expect much from it but it slams & makes waves on the water. I don't expect it to last long tho in the salt.
Great test Big D
I owned one of these back in the day and ran it at .5 with no issues. I always figured it was putting out around 1000 rms. It impressed a few of my buddies who had hi end systems. I bought mine for $50 at a pawn shop. Not bad at all.
Wow that was a dealio
@@wal it was the typical stripped out screws and banged up. Cleaned it up nice and bought new screws.
Honestly if they were just rated at what they did, I think amps like this would have gotten a slightly better reputation, they weren't bad amps, just cheap budget amps that generally worked okay. I ran two of the smaller models of this series around 2001 or so, got about 200w RMS per amp which is what the RMS rating in the manual stated, never let me down, just not big power. We did not have internet in those days, so I way overpaid, I just wanted something to get a system going. I was running a Jensen A1000 amp prior, and the Legacy's made an improvement (one amp per sub).
That was fun, but as the old guy used to say, they’re lying to you, lying to you, lying to you! Hey BigD, I miss the quarter pipe lead ins!
They left behind a , Legacy !! I have always loved these amplifiers , they were called the , cylons , because of the chrome and sci fi looks , remember Battlestar galactica?? Yes the cylon amplifier , I have two Legacy ICE, Amplifiers still in the box new , the largest two channel that they ever made and the matching four channel ice amplifier , they sparkle and have the diamonds ,( artificial diamonds of course ) spelling out the LEGACY ,name on the amplifier , and yeah their rare as can be , almost impossible to find now , keep pulling for the under dog , because if you like it who cares what others say , LEGACY AMPLIFIERS !
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