Best money IV ever spent, DST compressor 8 iron plus impact line on my irons. Went from struggling to break 90 to shooting 78 twice and 79 and multiple 80s (socially) handicap came down 4 shots. Will be more after end of year review. Won my divisional knockout too 👍still perfecting it but only had a few really poor rounds all year but beauty of the training club, I can just go back to it hitting balls with it and I get that feeling back..
I think the major challenge of golf teaching and equipment is that the industry has been trying to sell golfers on a mechanical (swing positions, etc.) and technological approach to the game of golf, abandoning the notion that golf is about swinging the club, not manipulating it. The profit motive has given us great equipment but perhaps has ruined the golf swing of many players who have forgotten or never learned about the natural rhythm of the body, momentum, and the swing. I"m thinking of Bob Toski, whose teaching has been overwhelmed by modern methods emphasizing technique over feel. Is this why golfers have not improved perhaps? Unless the "average" golfer can begin to feel the momentum of a real swing, he or she will never find the ideal, repeatable impact position so described in the video. Is "lag tension" a swing thought that promotes a free-flowing swing? I'd like to see BBG explore these ideas.
Rhythm & balance are by-products of reaching full extension after impact. That's the reason why PGA Tour players look like they have so much more time through impact. The look graceful because the kinematic chain or sequencing of their downswing movement allows them to unfold the main lever in such a way that they swing through the impact area. When you compare this to most club golfers their rhythm and balance are lost because their weight transfer and body rotation stalls as a result of the hit tendency. Where they essentially hit at the ball, this means they reach full extension prior to impact. Bob Toski is a legend!
I'd love to be a guinea pig at a dst clinic. I've plateaued at a 15 handicap after golfing for 10 years, and it's because of my ball striking, and lack of distance. I'm in San Diego, and I love this channel, it's where I get new cool ideas to work on. Let me know if I could be a part of this experiment.
Love this content and cant wait to see the up coming videos. Asking for one of these for Christmas. I been studying and watching your videos with all the different coaches and working my swing. I have learn so much from Mike Malaska and Bobby Lopez especially his videos about being offsides. Between these two guys and then seeing the impact positions from Impact snap and Marty and Bertie from DST I have improved from a 18 to a 10 handicap over the last 4 months
I like this discussion in that it seems more promising than talking about wrist conditions at impact. Hogan sometimes suffered from a left wrist injury (no big surprise). I wonder how much the desired angles are a product of wide shoulders and left shoulder movement through the ball.
This is great stuff. Basically it breaks it down to... you are hitting a ball with a stick. If you swing a baseball bat, or an ax, or a stick at a volley ball you would always hit it with this lag tension position. You would try to hit the ball, you wouldn't just try to make the club head bottom out at the same place and hope that it hits the ball. Good players can hit a ball decently even if its behind their right foot or in front of their left foot if they have to, without even a practice swing, that's because every swing is different and they are trying to hit the ball with lag tension. Things that can throw the golfer off of this hit the ball with a stick thought is looking at the angles of the shaft and clubhead and clubface and thinking about how exact everything has to be at impact, and also thinking about generating clubhead speed. It may seem logical that you can make the club woosh by flicking it with your wrists, but if you commit to it you can swing very fast with control by going thru impact in this lag tension position, you just have to trust the concept. Think of a golfer hitting straight and solid shots but being out hit by another golfer by 50 yards every shot. After a while the golfer tries to swing faster by flicking at it and starts to mishit and spray the ball all over the place. keep it simple, hit the ball with a stick (with lag tension).
The club is an extension of the left shoulder and is trying to line up with it...if you want shaft lean, get your left shoulder DOWN and FORWARD. Just look at Charles Howell, Alex Noren (ton of shaft lean) etc. and look at where their left shoulder is relative to their left foot and the ball...and then look at yours. They don't lose left shoulder tilt until around p6. You lose the tilt on the backswing, when you stand up. Golfers tilts determine so much about the shape of the swing...which is why you can't simply push the club traveling at full speed into a forward leaning position with just your forearms (yet you can with a stick or shaft, which makes you erroneously think it's possible with a golf club).
Hi Duke, very good point. The purpose of the DST impact drills are to allow golfers to develop a movement where they can support the delivery of the club into impact with lag tension. Naturally, that means the body position supporting the club correctly. We use shafts, weighted shafts and clubs in our drills. With juniors its best to allow them to develop desirable movements with something light, until they understand the concept before adding the weight of the club head. But we completely agree.
I do know that in other sports, like throwing a baseball or football, attempts to control lead to slower speeds and terrible results. When I throw a ball I don't think about aim. I let my body do what it needs to do. I feel a balance point between my hand, arm and ball and then I fling it. I let go without conscious thought or effort. The full extension after impact is the result of a flinging action. Trying to get there with the controlling part of the mind is counterproductive. The try part is left- hand awareness on the shaft and feeling the still point at the top. Once the mind is aware of this stillness the body will fling the club to and through the ball at tremendous speed.
Shaft lean by itself is irrelevant. Lag is the same. It's the momentum through the shaft at the right angle of approach that matters. Momentum at the wrong place on the shaft is the problem that most golfers suffer from I fear. If you set up to the ball in a neutral position and get the club up and back in a reasonable place all the good stuff happens naturally when you recognize that gravity is your best friend not. 2 dimensional video images of this or that pro
duke cienda this is exactly right. Brendon has no left side bend in the backswing. You don’t see that in any even halfway decent ballstrikers. This lag tension concept is a sign of being deep down the rabbit hole.
@@PMiller3425 Full extension after impact is a RESULT of physical forces that are far more powerful than any human can control. The best a golfer can do is to quit thinking "control" and body positions and get out of the way in order to allow these forces to work. The acceleration that results from letting go is quite awesome and the most wonderful feeling a golfer can have. I've finally come to the conclusion that watching a video of pro golfers tells you virtually nothing about the dynamics of the golf swing because the video reveals a series of fixed-frame outcomes that can bear no relationship to the actual causes of raw power.
I think we all know that lag tension is key to solid impact. The big question for me is whether you can achieve this consciously. I don't understand how you can control this. The second you insert control, you lose speed. Please comment.
Why do you think you lose speed when you add control? This is not the case. If you look at almost all PGA Tour players swings, they all reach full extension after impact. So essentially their main lever unfolds and reaches full extension after impact. When you perform drills to consciously reach full extension after impact and those drills and movements become second nature then they become sub-conscious. So higher MOI and control is the result of lag tension at impact.
I'm 65. My 8 iron swing speed is probably 70-80 MPH. There's no way my iron would be curved like that in the downswing. Does that make any sense? I understand the impact position and extension, but my swing speed is so slow, I don't know, I don't think it would help. If you'd like a test dummy, I'd be happy to come by and you could have a look. I live close to LB. This is of seminal importance in the golf swing. I've googled and youtubed this and I can't find anything like this anywhere else. Amazing something of this importance in the golf swing and no one is talking about it, yet this is what all the pros do. Just to add an update: Since I've first seen this video last week, I went to the driving range and worked on it. The swing did feel awkward, but after awhile (and actually sooner than later) it was all working out quite nicely. So today I took to the course (Skylinks) and shot 76. For me, that's a big deal. Lowest score I've shot in years. I wrote Bertie to thank him, hope he gets my message.
This is exactly what I've been working on myself with my own swing, has improved my ability to strike the ball. It's hard to keep it going for a full round as I really need to focus on what trying to do. l have found that the feeling for me is completely different when using a driver versus, say using a wedge when trying to maintain a consistent " lag tension" , didn't have a word for it before this video! Anything going on in UK for us viewer's over the pond? Keep up the great work Brendon :)
I would be interested in getting with you guys. I have a DST since it came out. I got a bunch of weird comments from friends, but after watching a lot of your videos, I am now convinced. I would be happy to come out.
While I agree generally that the best ball strikers have some lag tension it is simply not true to say ALL of them have it. I could name several but perhaps the most prevalent example being Jose Maria Olazabal, who is unequivocally regarded as one of the best ball strikers especially iron players of all time, who does not exhibit any lag tension at impact in any of the footage I have viewed.
Ppl like lee Westwood or JMO that have a bent left arm at impact arm measured a different way. Draw a line from shoulder thru the wrist and you’d see it points past the ball. This is also a good resource. Dr Sasho MacKensie did a review of the mechanical advantage a golfer with a lag impact has over a golfer with a flip impact. Check it out. www.dstgolf.com/upload/Assessment-of-DST-Impact-Line.pdf
Live in Southern California and would love to Join you and Bernie's group lesson. Can't wait to achieve break through with your help. Thanks for all the great info on your Channel.
Thank you for sharing information 👍 Most tour players use body rotation to get less clubface rotation and more control. What if you want use less body and more hand crossing to get easy speed. Then clubface have to offcource rotate more. How is DST club balanced? Is it preventing or helping clubface rotation?
The shaft is curved away from the target on the plane line. It stays perfectly in balance if the club is swung along the plane line. However, should the golfer swing the club from in to out the club face will under rotate producing a shank or block. If it's swung from out to in it produces a pull hook. So the DST Compressor improves 2 things. Lag tension and awareness of optimal impact (flat lead wrist) and an improved club path into impact. (straight plane line)
it's not a question of a choice between body and hands. The hands should never cross over or release until after impact. The clubface should gradually square with the ball as downward momentum accelerates. I am in complete disagreement that the body leads the swing. The body reacts perfectly to accelerating arms and shaft through the ball. That is why the obsession with body positions is wrecking golf, making poor players worse and better players constantly chasing perfection. It's not happening.
Yes, main focus is at the target and i dont mean flipping the hands. However there are different styles to release. You can let the body turn trough impact and club goes more around your body low and left. You can "stop" your body and let the club roll over through impact. Club goes more right off target. Anyway anything that works is just fine and there is no wrong or right...
i'm a little confused with the message around 16:00. As long as you have lag tension why does it matter if its in the trail hand or lead hand? Sorry if i misunderstood the message. Funny what Ulster said about Westwood. I watched Defransesco's swing analysis on Westwood last night. Im rewatching now. B I will volunteer to come come out from Vegas.
We hold the club with both hands. If lag tension is lost before the main lever (lead arm and club shaft) reaches full extension before impact lag tension is lost. That means the golfer loses the ability to control the club with the lead wrist, elbow and shoulder. Essentially, you're losing 50% control. Hugh, you might enjoy watching the first video in our gallery. www.dstgolf.com/video-gallery i hope that helps.
Hi there, The impact snap is a very good tool too. They work on the same concept. DST Clubs allow you to swing the club and hit balls while working on lag tension through impact and keeping the club working on a straight plane line. If it's not swung down a straight plane line, due to the curve in the shaft the club face will be subjected to a twisting/torque and the club face will either be left wide open or shut very quickly.
Peter Sacks thanks Peter, lay tension is when the clubhead is trailing an extension of the left arm. (When the clubhead and left arm are in line from a face on view, that is full extension) 95 percent of golfers let the clubhead come into line with the left arm BEFORE impact where as pros hit the ball BEFORE the clubhead comes in line with the left forearm.
There are two components to tension in the main lever, one working directly away from the axis point (lets call that "FTx") and the other component of tension is a lateral (FTy) which is drag/lag. When the club shaft catches up with an extension of the lead forearm the lateral component of tension (lag) falls to zero. Peter have a browse of this video ruclips.net/video/nQLl081k4FU/видео.html (it's very dry but it answers your question.
if you decide to do a clinic in the UK I'd be very interested. I have been stuck on an 8 handicap for 3 years I can get my hands ahead of the clubhead but only just and it feels very manipulated
@@swisstrader Single plane swing. Look up Todd Graves channel. He knew Norman pretty well. Has been teaching this swing for 20 years I think it's been. I started using it a few months ago.
I'm based in Los Angeles and would love to come check out what you both are doing as lag tension is something I'm always trying to get more consistently and fight with. Do you have an already public email address I could send my info to? :)
I have owned the 8i compressor club. When I address the ball in order to get the lines lined up I feel as though my hands are pressed forward more than what makes a comfortable setup. Could you show us a setup and how the lines look in that position. I also own the car wedge and I don’t have this problem at address.
BE BETTER GOLF thanks for the quick response. I look forward to seeing the videos Bertie sends. I like the clubs and what they are supposed to do and always try to incorporate a few swings in my swing practice sessions.
Hi guys, the purpose of the impact line is to allow the golfer to familiarise themselves with the optimal impact position. To understand and feel the difference between the address position and impact. This essentially is the golfers prerogative, they can choose to start w=their swing from a shaft in a neutral address position or with a distinct forward press. But the overriding goal is to reach a position at impact where the impact line points up to your eyes. This will produce lag tension at impact with weight transfer and body rotation.
Cannot deny better golfers have a better impact position. AJ also believes in moment arm. The experiment you want was undertaken in 1969. This debunked the moment arm length concept. They had two identical clubs made but one had a hinge just above the hosel. The pro hit the clubs virtually the same distance the difference being accounted for the inefficiency of the hinge. This proved that the clubhead acts a a free object in space during the downswing. To my knowledge no one has challenged this experiment since. He also mentioned centrifugal force. Basic physics states this is a fictitious force but for some reason in golf it turns up and helps. Ask him did he believe in the old ball flight laws prior to trackman disproving them. Again this information was available in 1969 but like most golf professionals they taught perceptions. I don’t doubt the use of the club but when I hear perceptions quoted as facts I had to state some facts.
Impact is an effect not a cause. If top players have a superior impact position it's all due to something that (or some swing ruining move they eliminated) came before. For instance if our channel host Brendon is successful in the shortening of his back swing(which in many of his video's he claims to be working on) then this will be reflected in an improved impact position
Very interesting, can you direct us to the experiment? The fact remains that in the main lever, if the moment arm is reduced in length the axis point moves from the lead shoulder to the lead wrist. When this happens it, stalls weight transfer and in the majority of cases body rotation. This means the low point in the club head arc is before the ball, This increases the speed of club face closure and adds loft. This results in a high ball flight with more spin. In trackman terms a lower Smash Factor.
DSTGolf . The experiment you will find in “ the search for the perfect swing” where they also pointed out that face angle was uppermost in determining start direction not club path. This was in 1969. The pga taught the opposite for over 40 years. Another little gem buried within they had two identical 5 irons made one with grooves one without. They both gave similar backspin numbers. Grooves do not produce backspin they channel away foreign matter that would reduce backspin. Just as an aside I know of three excellent players now teachers who “perceive “ the golf swing as a throw of the clubhead at the golf ball. This they feel is from the top with their dominant trail hand. When you see them at impact they have hands ahead and lag tension. The best and most sensible quote I can find from a golf professional (Fred Shoemaker) is “ No one really knows what makes a golf swing but most people can make one”
@@ulster7717 You are very astute, Lee is arguably the only player who reaches impact with a concave lead wrist. Rickie Fowler gets close to it sometimes. Essentially, Lee has no Lag Tension in his lead wrist at impact, but because he covers the ball with his chest so well he gets his lead shoulder into a position where the Lag tension is still present in the lead shoulder (despite his bent lead elbow). You'll notice he has the same shaft angles as the other pros at impact, (forward lean). So the DST Impact Line still provides the correct impact geometry. If you send me your email address i'll send a pic over describing Lee's impact.
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Best money IV ever spent, DST compressor 8 iron plus impact line on my irons. Went from struggling to break 90 to shooting 78 twice and 79 and multiple 80s (socially) handicap came down 4 shots. Will be more after end of year review. Won my divisional knockout too 👍still perfecting it but only had a few really poor rounds all year but beauty of the training club, I can just go back to it hitting balls with it and I get that feeling back..
I think the major challenge of golf teaching and equipment is that the industry has been trying to sell golfers on a mechanical (swing positions, etc.) and technological approach to the game of golf, abandoning the notion that golf is about swinging the club, not manipulating it. The profit motive has given us great equipment but perhaps has ruined the golf swing of many players who have forgotten or never learned about the natural rhythm of the body, momentum, and the swing. I"m thinking of Bob Toski, whose teaching has been overwhelmed by modern methods emphasizing technique over feel. Is this why golfers have not improved perhaps? Unless the "average" golfer can begin to feel the momentum of a real swing, he or she will never find the ideal, repeatable impact position so described in the video. Is "lag tension" a swing thought that promotes a free-flowing swing? I'd like to see BBG explore these ideas.
Rhythm & balance are by-products of reaching full extension after impact. That's the reason why PGA Tour players look like they have so much more time through impact. The look graceful because the kinematic chain or sequencing of their downswing movement allows them to unfold the main lever in such a way that they swing through the impact area. When you compare this to most club golfers their rhythm and balance are lost because their weight transfer and body rotation stalls as a result of the hit tendency. Where they essentially hit at the ball, this means they reach full extension prior to impact. Bob Toski is a legend!
I'd love to be a guinea pig at a dst clinic. I've plateaued at a 15 handicap after golfing for 10 years, and it's because of my ball striking, and lack of distance. I'm in San Diego, and I love this channel, it's where I get new cool ideas to work on. Let me know if I could be a part of this experiment.
Love this content and cant wait to see the up coming videos. Asking for one of these for Christmas. I been studying and watching your videos with all the different coaches and working my swing. I have learn so much from Mike Malaska and Bobby Lopez especially his videos about being offsides. Between these two guys and then seeing the impact positions from Impact snap and Marty and Bertie from DST I have improved from a 18 to a 10 handicap over the last 4 months
Well done Steven, glad to hear your enjoying the game. keep at it
I like this discussion in that it seems more promising than talking about wrist conditions at impact. Hogan sometimes suffered from a left wrist injury (no big surprise). I wonder how much the desired angles are a product of wide shoulders and left shoulder movement through the ball.
This is great stuff. Basically it breaks it down to... you are hitting a ball with a stick. If you swing a baseball bat, or an ax, or a stick at a volley ball you would always hit it with this lag tension position. You would try to hit the ball, you wouldn't just try to make the club head bottom out at the same place and hope that it hits the ball. Good players can hit a ball decently even if its behind their right foot or in front of their left foot if they have to, without even a practice swing, that's because every swing is different and they are trying to hit the ball with lag tension. Things that can throw the golfer off of this hit the ball with a stick thought is looking at the angles of the shaft and clubhead and clubface and thinking about how exact everything has to be at impact, and also thinking about generating clubhead speed. It may seem logical that you can make the club woosh by flicking it with your wrists, but if you commit to it you can swing very fast with control by going thru impact in this lag tension position, you just have to trust the concept. Think of a golfer hitting straight and solid shots but being out hit by another golfer by 50 yards every shot. After a while the golfer tries to swing faster by flicking at it and starts to mishit and spray the ball all over the place. keep it simple, hit the ball with a stick (with lag tension).
The club is an extension of the left shoulder and is trying to line up with it...if you want shaft lean, get your left shoulder DOWN and FORWARD. Just look at Charles Howell, Alex Noren (ton of shaft lean) etc. and look at where their left shoulder is relative to their left foot and the ball...and then look at yours. They don't lose left shoulder tilt until around p6. You lose the tilt on the backswing, when you stand up. Golfers tilts determine so much about the shape of the swing...which is why you can't simply push the club traveling at full speed into a forward leaning position with just your forearms (yet you can with a stick or shaft, which makes you erroneously think it's possible with a golf club).
Hi Duke, very good point. The purpose of the DST impact drills are to allow golfers to develop a movement where they can support the delivery of the club into impact with lag tension. Naturally, that means the body position supporting the club correctly. We use shafts, weighted shafts and clubs in our drills. With juniors its best to allow them to develop desirable movements with something light, until they understand the concept before adding the weight of the club head. But we completely agree.
I do know that in other sports, like throwing a baseball or football, attempts to control lead to slower speeds and terrible results. When I throw a ball I don't think about aim. I let my body do what it needs to do. I feel a balance point between my hand, arm and ball and then I fling it. I let go without conscious thought or effort. The full extension after impact is the result of a flinging action. Trying to get there with the controlling part of the mind is counterproductive. The try part is left- hand awareness on the shaft and feeling the still point at the top. Once the mind is aware of this stillness the body will fling the club to and through the ball at tremendous speed.
Shaft lean by itself is irrelevant. Lag is the same. It's the momentum through the shaft at the right angle of approach that matters. Momentum at the wrong place on the shaft is the problem that most golfers suffer from I fear. If you set up to the ball in a neutral position and get the club up and back in a reasonable place all the good stuff happens naturally when you recognize that gravity is your best friend not. 2 dimensional video images of this or that pro
duke cienda this is exactly right. Brendon has no left side bend in the backswing. You don’t see that in any even halfway decent ballstrikers. This lag tension concept is a sign of being deep down the rabbit hole.
@@PMiller3425 Full extension after impact is a RESULT of physical forces that are far more powerful than any human can control. The best a golfer can do is to quit thinking "control" and body positions and get out of the way in order to allow these forces to work. The acceleration that results from letting go is quite awesome and the most wonderful feeling a golfer can have. I've finally come to the conclusion that watching a video of pro golfers tells you virtually nothing about the dynamics of the golf swing because the video reveals a series of fixed-frame outcomes that can bear no relationship to the actual causes of raw power.
I think we all know that lag tension is key to solid impact. The big question for me is whether you can achieve this consciously. I don't understand how you can control this. The second you insert control, you lose speed. Please comment.
Why do you think you lose speed when you add control? This is not the case. If you look at almost all PGA Tour players swings, they all reach full extension after impact. So essentially their main lever unfolds and reaches full extension after impact. When you perform drills to consciously reach full extension after impact and those drills and movements become second nature then they become sub-conscious. So higher MOI and control is the result of lag tension at impact.
DSTGolf check out my explanation of this concept. I’d love your feedback
ruclips.net/video/x_nKpqeiLHk/видео.html
I'm 65. My 8 iron swing speed is probably 70-80 MPH. There's no way my iron would be curved like that in the downswing. Does that make any sense? I understand the impact position and extension, but my swing speed is so slow, I don't know, I don't think it would help. If you'd like a test dummy, I'd be happy to come by and you could have a look. I live close to LB.
This is of seminal importance in the golf swing. I've googled and youtubed this and I can't find anything like this anywhere else. Amazing something of this importance in the golf swing and no one is talking about it, yet this is what all the pros do.
Just to add an update: Since I've first seen this video last week, I went to the driving range and worked on it. The swing did feel awkward, but after awhile (and actually sooner than later) it was all working out quite nicely.
So today I took to the course (Skylinks) and shot 76. For me, that's a big deal. Lowest score I've shot in years. I wrote Bertie to thank him, hope he gets my message.
This is exactly what I've been working on myself with my own swing, has improved my ability to strike the ball.
It's hard to keep it going for a full round as I really need to focus on what trying to do.
l have found that the feeling for me is completely different when using a driver versus, say using a wedge when trying to maintain a consistent " lag tension" , didn't have a word for it before this video!
Anything going on in UK for us viewer's over the pond?
Keep up the great work Brendon :)
Phil Where are you based in the UK? If there's a few of you guys interested I'm sure I can run a DST day.
Thanks for the reply, I'm based in Essex.
Very interesting. If you're doing a session in a wet n' cold blighty on a January afternoon, I'm game.
I would be interested in getting with you guys. I have a DST since it came out. I got a bunch of weird comments from friends, but after watching a lot of your videos, I am now convinced. I would be happy to come out.
It has been sitting in my garage for years, collecting dust. No more!
Jesse Russell come to California and we’ll work on it. Email contactbebettergolf@gmail.com
Absolutely fascinating....never seen this discussed before in such depth.
Thx John
While I agree generally that the best ball strikers have some lag tension it is simply not true to say ALL of them have it. I could name several but perhaps the most prevalent example being Jose Maria Olazabal, who is unequivocally regarded as one of the best ball strikers especially iron players of all time, who does not exhibit any lag tension at impact in any of the footage I have viewed.
Ppl like lee Westwood or JMO that have a bent left arm at impact arm measured a different way. Draw a line from shoulder thru the wrist and you’d see it points past the ball.
This is also a good resource. Dr Sasho MacKensie did a review of the mechanical advantage a golfer with a lag impact has over a golfer with a flip impact. Check it out.
www.dstgolf.com/upload/Assessment-of-DST-Impact-Line.pdf
Live in Southern California and would love to Join you and Bernie's group lesson. Can't wait to achieve break through with your help.
Thanks for all the great info on your Channel.
Thank you for sharing information 👍 Most tour players use body rotation to get less clubface rotation and more control. What if you want use less body and more hand crossing to get easy speed. Then clubface have to offcource rotate more. How is DST club balanced? Is it preventing or helping clubface rotation?
The shaft is curved away from the target on the plane line. It stays perfectly in balance if the club is swung along the plane line. However, should the golfer swing the club from in to out the club face will under rotate producing a shank or block. If it's swung from out to in it produces a pull hook. So the DST Compressor improves 2 things. Lag tension and awareness of optimal impact (flat lead wrist) and an improved club path into impact. (straight plane line)
@@Dstgolf Thank you very much foor good answer. It's important to know how to use it. 👍
it's not a question of a choice between body and hands. The hands should never cross over or release until after impact. The clubface should gradually square with the ball as downward momentum accelerates. I am in complete disagreement that the body leads the swing. The body reacts perfectly to accelerating arms and shaft through the ball. That is why the obsession with body positions is wrecking golf, making poor players worse and better players constantly chasing perfection. It's not happening.
Yes, main focus is at the target and i dont mean flipping the hands. However there are different styles to release. You can let the body turn trough impact and club goes more around your body low and left. You can "stop" your body and let the club roll over through impact. Club goes more right off target. Anyway anything that works is just fine and there is no wrong or right...
i'm a little confused with the message around 16:00. As long as you have lag tension why does it matter if its in the trail hand or lead hand? Sorry if i misunderstood the message. Funny what Ulster said about Westwood. I watched Defransesco's swing analysis on Westwood last night. Im rewatching now. B I will volunteer to come come out from Vegas.
We hold the club with both hands. If lag tension is lost before the main lever (lead arm and club shaft) reaches full extension before impact lag tension is lost. That means the golfer loses the ability to control the club with the lead wrist, elbow and shoulder. Essentially, you're losing 50% control. Hugh, you might enjoy watching the first video in our gallery. www.dstgolf.com/video-gallery i hope that helps.
How do you compare this to the impact snap device
Hi there, The impact snap is a very good tool too. They work on the same concept. DST Clubs allow you to swing the club and hit balls while working on lag tension through impact and keeping the club working on a straight plane line. If it's not swung down a straight plane line, due to the curve in the shaft the club face will be subjected to a twisting/torque and the club face will either be left wide open or shut very quickly.
Depending when it is, I’d be interested in participating. This is Jon from your other clinics.
i guess it is kinda randomly asking but does anybody know of a good website to watch new series online?
@Maximiliano Rowan i use FlixZone. You can find it by googling :)
@Phoenix Chaim Definitely, I've been watching on FlixZone for since april myself =)
@Phoenix Chaim Thank you, signed up and it seems like they got a lot of movies there =) Appreciate it!
@Maximiliano Rowan No problem xD
Interested
Before anything, you need to define your key term. What exactly do you mean by lag "tension?"
Peter Sacks thanks Peter, lay tension is when the clubhead is trailing an extension of the left arm. (When the clubhead and left arm are in line from a face on view, that is full extension)
95 percent of golfers let the clubhead come into line with the left arm BEFORE impact where as pros hit the ball BEFORE the clubhead comes in line with the left forearm.
There are two components to tension in the main lever, one working directly away from the axis point (lets call that "FTx") and the other component of tension is a lateral (FTy) which is drag/lag. When the club shaft catches up with an extension of the lead forearm the lateral component of tension (lag) falls to zero. Peter have a browse of this video ruclips.net/video/nQLl081k4FU/видео.html (it's very dry but it answers your question.
Excellent reply Brandon. Simple & Precise!
if you decide to do a clinic in the UK I'd be very interested. I have been stuck on an 8 handicap for 3 years I can get my hands ahead of the clubhead but only just and it feels very manipulated
Antony where are you based in the UK?
Try to get a hold of You Tuber Mark Rober, he does science based videos and he could make a video about the moment arm theory.
Cool. Thx
That would be a great video
If you want to get better at golf be an expert on the golfing machine by Homer Kelley and adhere to its principles.
When I first started watching Be Better Golf Monte seemed to convince you to stop chasing positions. It seems you've come full circle.
Michael Schmidt Monte retains “lag tension” as Bertie calls it better than any player I’ve played with, Danny Wax very good as well
He's describing Moe Norman's swing to a tee (so to speak).
How so? Norman for me had a very complex swing and very much in line w his body type.
@@swisstrader Single plane swing. Look up Todd Graves channel. He knew Norman pretty well. Has been teaching this swing for 20 years I think it's been. I started using it a few months ago.
I'm based in Los Angeles and would love to come check out what you both are doing as lag tension is something I'm always trying to get more consistently and fight with. Do you have an already public email address I could send my info to? :)
Contactbebettergolf@gmail.com
@@BEBETTERGOLF Thanks! Sent you an email with my info :)
Dont get how a longer moment arm can create more ball speed all other factors being equal. He ducked this like a politician.
What is lag tension
rey sison see peters response above, thx rey
rey sison watch 15:35 forward when BC talks about full extension
BE BETTER GOLF I remember that discussion but there was no mention of lag tension at 15:35
I have owned the 8i compressor club. When I address the ball in order to get the lines lined up I feel as though my hands are pressed forward more than what makes a comfortable setup. Could you show us a setup and how the lines look in that position. I also own the car wedge and I don’t have this problem at address.
hakirk1 ok. I asked Bertie this same thing and he showed me DJ and Stenson’s forward press, I’ll ask him to show it in a video
BE BETTER GOLF thanks for the quick response. I look forward to seeing the videos Bertie sends. I like the clubs and what they are supposed to do and always try to incorporate a few swings in my swing practice sessions.
Isn't the line supposed to be 'lined up' at impact? It isn't supposed to be lined up at setup.
Kley De Jong that’s what I thought but the set up with the curve shaft feels more comfortable the more it is presssed forward.
Hi guys, the purpose of the impact line is to allow the golfer to familiarise themselves with the optimal impact position. To understand and feel the difference between the address position and impact. This essentially is the golfers prerogative, they can choose to start w=their swing from a shaft in a neutral address position or with a distinct forward press. But the overriding goal is to reach a position at impact where the impact line points up to your eyes. This will produce lag tension at impact with weight transfer and body rotation.
shotgun!
Cannot deny better golfers have a better impact position. AJ also believes in moment arm. The experiment you want was undertaken in 1969.
This debunked the moment arm length concept. They had two identical clubs made but one had a hinge just above the hosel.
The pro hit the clubs virtually the same distance the difference being accounted for the inefficiency of the hinge.
This proved that the clubhead acts a a free object in space during the downswing.
To my knowledge no one has challenged this experiment since. He also mentioned centrifugal force.
Basic physics states this is a fictitious force but for some reason in golf it turns up and helps.
Ask him did he believe in the old ball flight laws prior to trackman disproving them.
Again this information was available in 1969 but like most golf professionals they taught perceptions.
I don’t doubt the use of the club but when I hear perceptions quoted as facts I had to state some facts.
Forgot to mention Lee Westwood has bent lead elbow at impact. Does that mean he has short moment arm and is using
His right hand to compensate.
Impact is an effect not a cause. If top players have a superior impact position it's all due to something that (or some swing ruining move they eliminated) came before. For instance if our channel host Brendon is successful in the shortening of his back swing(which in many of his video's he claims to be working on) then this will be reflected in an improved impact position
Very interesting, can you direct us to the experiment? The fact remains that in the main lever, if the moment arm is reduced in length the axis point moves from the lead shoulder to the lead wrist. When this happens it, stalls weight transfer and in the majority of cases body rotation. This means the low point in the club head arc is before the ball, This increases the speed of club face closure and adds loft. This results in a high ball flight with more spin. In trackman terms a lower Smash Factor.
DSTGolf . The experiment you will find in “ the search for the perfect swing” where they also pointed out that face angle was uppermost in determining start direction not club path.
This was in 1969. The pga taught the opposite for over 40 years. Another little gem buried within they had two identical 5 irons made one with grooves one without. They both gave similar backspin numbers. Grooves do not produce backspin they channel away foreign matter that would reduce backspin.
Just as an aside I know of three excellent players now teachers who “perceive “ the golf swing as a throw of the clubhead at the golf ball. This they feel is from the top with their dominant trail hand. When you see them at impact they have hands ahead and lag tension. The best and most sensible quote I can find from a golf professional (Fred Shoemaker) is
“ No one really knows what makes a golf swing but most people can make one”
@@ulster7717 You are very astute, Lee is arguably the only player who reaches impact with a concave lead wrist. Rickie Fowler gets close to it sometimes. Essentially, Lee has no Lag Tension in his lead wrist at impact, but because he covers the ball with his chest so well he gets his lead shoulder into a position where the Lag tension is still present in the lead shoulder (despite his bent lead elbow). You'll notice he has the same shaft angles as the other pros at impact, (forward lean). So the DST Impact Line still provides the correct impact geometry. If you send me your email address i'll send a pic over describing Lee's impact.