GOLF | Is focusing on IMPACT BAD for your golf game???
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- Опубликовано: 22 сен 2024
- Former Tour Pro Bertie Cordle flew from UK to California to tell Be Better Golfers some things about impact.
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Brendan I was using this technique on the driving range tonight. Hit the ball extremely solid. Johnny Miller said it the best, " get your PhD in Impact position". 30 is absolutely on target with this concept because it works. This is some of your best work yet!!!!TY
Trust Brendon to unearth the secrets. Truth teller!
Bertie has broken down the golf swing to its essence. Like many intellectual leaps, his analysis reduces a seemingly complex motion to a simple one. Any golfer will feel that thrilling Aha! moment when they see the swing the way he sees it. Many thanks.
Great video...I’m practicing this proper impact and lag tension after watching your previous video about your lag curtain. I simulate the lag curtain with my hitting net in my basement. The pivot through impact like you suggest is exactly what I needed to do. My ball mark on my club is now a complete circle in the center of my face starting about one groove up....after 15 balls it looked the same.....I din not have to think about timing at all....never happened before...not even close as I used to try and release manually through impact....super stoked I could repeat this impact position 15 times in a row using this proper impact method! I did notice I had to continue my pivot more around and not turn my chest up so quickly through impact....felt like I never touched the ball with the club...what a nice feeling.
Thanks again Bertie...and thanks to be better golf! Keep it up!!
Cheers
Don FromCanada BERTIE SAYS he wishes he could send a message to himself when he was on tour that says “hit the impact curtain 50x a day”
Lol....no doubt!...well I’m a bit old for the tour..maybe not the champions tour as I’d be a rookie minus two years....but I’ll settle for a lack of frustration and more enjoyment of the best and most humbling game in the world. Enjoy all your videos and your adventure...wish it was me!
Cheers
Great stuff Don. Keep going with the drills
Sorry but focus on positions in the golf swing is a recipe for frustration. The true focus in the golf swing should be delivering to the target. That's why the best players reach what was referenced in this video as "full extension" past the ball is because they are delivering to a target beyond the ball and they allowing the ball to get in the way. Positions in the swing are a by-product of target focus.
I've been struggling to get the right impact position and this video really helps!
How do I like these videos twice?! I'm striking the ball the best I ever have thanks to this advice. It makes so much sense and stops me focusing on things that don't matter to me like perfecting backswing positions. I have literally NEVER hit my irons as crisply as i do now and the ball flight is so much stronger. I was worried I'd start driving the ball badly but that's improved too. I can't wait to go out and hit more solid shots. I hit 8 greens of the 9 holes i played on Sunday and it was quite windy on there links. I'm going to get one of those funky looking bent irons for my birthday this year. Thanks so much guys, I don't feel like I need to work on my swing chasing positions any more, i just rehearse impact then go. Well done!! It's so simple.
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Sounds fantastic! Does it make a difference to your clubhead speed?
Been working back from impact for the past week it's improved my ball Strickling no end thanks keep up the great work
Rob Rhodes Exactly
Good work Rob
He is as are you onto pure gold, this is your best video ever. Demonstration excellent straight shaft with club head behind. I got to 9 with my arm straight right at impact, working on getting hands forward is my demon task...
this is a key part of the golf jigsaw. thanks for producing such a useful training tool.
We should focus on the dynamic movement. Interested in process, not result.
Absolutely Amazing. This guy is really good.
The idea of hitting the impact curtain with the whole shaft at the same time is a great feel and visual cue for how to time the swinging of the club thru. What if you reverse engineer that feeling at impact!? So, if you get into the optimum impact position with your hands ahead of the club head and the shaft leaning forward compressing the ball forward. what if you imagine an impact curtain tilted on the same angle as your shaft is leaning forward and you are trying to hit that tilted impact curtain with the whole shaft. That way you would not just be releasing the clubhead with a wrist flip or dragging the handle thru just to have forward shaft lean. KInd of like whacking an impact bag with a stick, you would swing the whole stick at the bag hitting it with forward shaft lean, not just flicking the end of the stick or just dragging the handle of the stick.
"what if you imagine an impact curtain tilted on the same angle as your shaft is leaning forward "
doesn't work. if your swing has not Lag Tenision, your swing has to be directed at a spot past the ball or it will always be flipped. Any target at the ball regardless of angle, etc will result in a flip. There are a few reasons for this.
This all makes the most incredible sense! It is the best I have come across in almost 30 years of searching! I know what we need to stress for our new Club Juniors!
Makes full sense, in partucular "reengineering" the swing. If you look at the body and rigth knee position I wonder how all this relates to Mike Austin swing I recently I discovered on youtube.
He talks about this working with the other Mike. Would be great to have some comment on that.....
Would b
GREAT VIDEO, IVE BEEN TOLD BY MANY MANY GOLFERS THAT MY SWINGS LOOKS PRETTY BUT MY RESULTS ARENT. BACKSWING IS PRETTY BUT DELIVERY IS NOT. AWESOME VIDEO.
Sometimes golfers get fooled by rhythm/tempo and the finish and think a swing is 'pretty' when it's really a complete mess. I get compliments on my swing and I do have a nice rhythm/tempo (although it feels like I'm swinging hard), but I have numerous mechanical issues. with my swing that really show up on video.
Go through the whole swing with the compressor in slow motion. When you get to impact you can really sense how to trap the ball and send it on the target line with the proper hand pressure.
Spot on!
DSTGolf Thanks! And thanks for the information
I have been working on this very thing. Trying to learn how to pivot in golf swing rather than standing up and thrusting hips forward ie. humping the goat? I am finding that if I can pivot (turn) at impact maintaining spine angle you automatically will have more forward shaft lean at impact. Drill I am working on is making backswing with left arm parallel to ground then pivot (turn) through turning body with club lagging at impact. I guess you would call this abbreviated punch shots which feel very powerful when struck solid. My fault in this drill is hitting many shanks but uncertain if my path is too inside or a little over the top or leaning too far forward causing this? Great video fellas!
Good video. I’m glad he explained that “lag tension” is a result of body rotation instead of pulling with the arms. People see Cameron Champ at impact and try to get their arms forward and then get the shanks. From a sequence perspective, his belt buckle is well in front of his hands at impact, but he has good arm structure so his arms don’t have that “arms behind” look even though they are on the right side of the body and not 2d “forward.”
'' I’m glad he explained that “lag tension” is a result of body rotation instead of pulling with the arms. ''..... good point Patrick, I nearly missed that
interesting video, have to call bertie out on saying all great players maintain lag tension, luke donald, lee slattery and brian gay just a few examples of multiple tour winners whose continuation of their lead forearms are not ahead of the club shaft at impact.
I think like you showed on some of your other videos from AJ Golf. If concentrate on using the tool correct you will have lag tension. Bertie has said as much.
Awesome stuff...just my 2c...to fixate on the Top Ten in the World is not really relevant IMO. I'm going to contradict myself a little bit, in that Bertie plainly states that you don't need HUGE amounts of Lag Tension...just having it is enough. I think that's an important point because lots and lots of absolutely awesome players, like Jack and Watson appear to have only some of that; and it may be that huge amounts of Lag Tension is a very athletic move that comes with years of training...while just having the lag tension of a typical 1 handicapper might be a realistic goal for most of us to achieve. 2c more. Thanks for posting. Love all this stuff.
Yes, you are correct. Having lag tension through impact is enough. It was purely an observation that it seems to be a sliding scale from best to beginner. Impact awareness is something that ALL golfers irrespective of ability should be focus on.
The only thing that matters in golf is IMPACT.
Traditional instruction ,even from the best pros involves teaching golf from a chain reaction philosophy, so Bertie's video is very different and very interesting.
When Bertie demonstrated progressively better impact positions,it is pretty obvious that the angle of the right wrist (extension) becomes increasingly larger as the impact improves .
3 questions
Should golfers try to overemphasize maintaining as much of the angle of this right wrist through impact?
I have seen some videos of the Hackmotion wrist sensor which measures the amount of flexion/extension of the wrists.How much extension of the right wrist /flexion of the left wrist do better payers have and what are realistic goals for serious amateur golfers.
One of the criticism of the DST irons is that the golfer is forced to start his hands so far ahead that it is difficult to make a good backswing.Any suggestions to overcome this problem.
100% Agreed. You don't hit the ball in the back swing. Jim Furyk & Ray Floyd are just 2 perfect examples of how much a back swing matters at impact.
Impact (Strike) is everything.
Spot on!
Great stuff B, The real question is how do you do it at full speed. I apply this (I think) in my chipping and pitching. Add swing speed and it gradually breaks down the faster I get. The only way I can seem to keep my hands in front of the shaft is by Channel locking it and playing the ball off the back foot.
Even though playing the ball off of your back foot will deloft the club and will place your hands in front of the clubhead,it will ALSO result in a steeper AOA and MORE SPIN and be self defeating.
No don't put the ball back, that is counter intuitive. That will force you to throw lag away to shallow the Angle of attack in order not to take salmon sized divots. Focus on doing the split hand grip drill and hitting a curtain with the full length of the shaft opposite the outside of your lead foot. Its all about keeping your pivot (body rotation going through impact. Good luck
Whenever I want to fix anything going wrong with my golf swing I go back to the Impact position and work backwards - exactly as this video suggests - it is absolutely the best approach. I have stopped worrying about almost everything else in the golf swing and for further simplicity reasons remove my left hand off the club and now only practice my positions concentrating only on my right wrist positions at Impact, at club parallel to the ground coming into impact and at the top of the backswing - that's it. If you start at Impact and drill into your brain your right wrist angle and then back up one step to where the right wrist is at parallel to the ground coming into impact and then finally where that right wrist needs to be 1 stop before that at the top of the backswing, you can basically teach almost anyone to hit a golf ball well in 15 minutes.
Follow up : I have purchased and used the DST 8 iron and measurably improved my impact and iron ball striking. I just want to translate it to the driver.
Do the curtain drill
@Ricky7D Using a slow motion camera shot from a Face On perspective must be 500fps. pause impact position and draw a line down lead forearm to the ground. Measure how far infront or behind the club shaft it is.
@Ricky7D Didn't use a camera as suggested below. Learn't how to hit the compressor on the range. Built up from small swings then switched to my 8 iron then longer clubs. Strike, divot position, launch angle, and control all improved measurably on the range and on the course. I have a lesson booked in early March and will use the pro's high speed camera to check impact out of curiosity, but the on course results are enough for me. Man I had DST compressor shipped to Australia.
@@Dstgolf Didn't use a camera as suggested above. Learn't how to hit the compressor on the range. Built up from small swings then switched to my 8 iron then longer clubs. Strike, divot position, launch angle, and control all improved measurably on the range and on the course. I have a lesson booked in early March and will use the pro's high speed camera to check impact out of curiosity but the on course results are enough for me. Man I had DST compressor shipped to Australia.
Brilliant 👏
Good stuff! Can you place a camera from down target view towards golfer. But, close enough that the camera shows the right shoulder and chest at optimum impact. (Opposite camera view of down the line). Thanks.
it was pointed out to me that i already have this position at impact relative to an average golfer. i was trying to create a position i do on my own without my knowledge as it is an effect and not a cause. for me....it's easier to do this with body rotation than using hands and arms to do the job. and one must understand wrist position in the impact zone. jack said he wanted to his left wrist to control the club path. it had to be bowed. so, to square the club face the body has to be rotated left.
Brendan , Ive played golf for more than 30 years, im 52 this year and just a tad under 6foot 3 , I've played all sorts sports all my life and I come from a medical/sports career background. I know for sure that I release lag tension too early (I've seen it in videos) resulting in shanks, slices, pull hooks you name it and a very high ball flight. Most instructors I've delt with want to improve my swing by getting me to stop early extending. I always felt intuitively that the early extension was a symptom of the poor impact mechanics, not the other way around.
My thoughts are also that my driver max swing speed of about 103mph would improve significantly (as would smash factor ) if that impact position could improve and I could create more lag tension.
Ange Gooner u are right they r wrong. Email me. Contactbebettergolf@gmail.com
@@BEBETTERGOLF is that email corrct Brendan?
Guys any advice for the driver or woods? Does this impact position work for driver and woods also.?
Your videos along with watching everything on DST golf website has already helped my iron play a 1000 times for better, I am now hitting my 8 iron over 150 yards. I am over 50 years old and had never done done even when I was in my 20s or 30s.
Bertie sir your videos on your web site are a miracle for my golf game.
Now I just need to understand if your advice works with driver and woods thanks again guys!!!
Until you understand and know how to work certain forces and pressures you'll never get into a natural impact position. In particular you need the feeling of force down your right side and foot into the ground as a major part of your downswing transition. This will naturally counterbalance your left leg/side (think Sam Sneed squat as an extreme example). That counterbalance effect along with torso rotation shortly thereafter will naturally shallow and slot the club and will never give up lag pressure unless you stall your rotation too soon. If the DST club can help someone understand how to achieve the needed downward forces and pressures then great!
Love it!!!! I know you want full extension after the ball so Is it a good feeling for someone who has thrown away the angle almost immediately to feel like their not creating speed until well after the ball I assume?
Eric King 👑 might work. I think moving the sensation of where the “hit” is to past the ball works better. Just thinking that can help some people a lot, others need to do specific drills and training to ingrain that new strange feel
BE BETTER GOLF these videos with Bertie are gold man. I absolutely love the way he teaches/explains the swing. My body rotation is much better without trying to do anything specific and doing the drills with the curtain and just practice swings with no ball feel so much different but so much better. Excited to work on noting but this until spring time!
What I do after impact with my hands and where the club goes is a big problem for me. I assume I’m like a lot of people and in the past have watched videos on how to swing and it’s just plain wrong, so now I’m on a journey to learn how to actually swing and this channel has helped me tremendously!!!
@@gamertg9747 What the hands do post impact is determined by the path of the club. If the club is on an in-to-out path you may find it difficult to reach a full follow through. Don't worry about this, this is normal. On the other hand if the club path is more out-to-in you will be able to rotate the heck out of the pivot and finish normally. But the sensation is that you have a full body release. Good luck
Thanks both. So what type of divot pattern would be acceptable ?
I think the hands ahead of the ball at impact is fine if you've got any sort of speed with the wedges and 9-7 irons as the spin will always launch it into the air... i personally feel if i had my hands where that far forward with long the longer irons, wood or driver it would feel like i was de-lofting these clubs and would get no distance from it. Always nice to work on technique though.
Peter Butler Hmm iron strikes 5 deg downward - Driver 5 deg upward strikes are desirable for distance and smash factor. Agree with you on some clubs will be around zero angle of attack 3iron to 3wood depending on trajectory desired.
Yes. 100%.
He knows what he’s talking about.
Trying to hold lag angle causes stalling and dumping. Using still position's is totally dismissing momentum of the clubhead.
Superb!
so would addressing the ball at the impact position be the way to go, ive been trying my utmost to take divots after the ball and im improving but i find the hardest part of the game is consistency a good hole followed by silly errors, will try working backwards from the impact position and see where it takes me
Sorry. One more question. Allowing for your - to me indisputable - thoughts on extension at impact, to what extent do you feel hands have worked 'inside' - compared with address position - at impact? If this occurs, does it vary with club? Thank you.
The ball position looks forward of center about halfway center to lead foot (Jack Nicklaus iron position) maybe its the camera angle but for me having the ball in the center of my stance seems to promote fat shots/early release. Any suggestions or comments on the ball position in relation to the impact postion?
Apologies if this is a repeat comment, not showing up. Great video! How much, if at all, does Bertie think this concept should apply to short game?
For all stock shots this remains the case. There are a few specific instances where i would chose to reduce lag tension to zero. One instance maybe when playing off a wet muddy lie and needing to play a flop shot. In this instance i would choose to shallow the angle of attack and aim to strike the mud before the ball using the bounce.
Thanks Bertie. Concise and informative reply. Much appreciated!
I would like to see a detailed difference between dragging the handle vs not.
Does swinging the handle help?
Great stuff! Now I just need to figure out how to make a DST swing without throwing out my back.
*MORE IMPRESSIVE is how you figured out how you can post on something that literally just came up 3 days ago!!!!*
@@Tigersmundo Yeah, just like my golf swing, I have serious problems with timing.
Seriously, I saw this video three days ago, posted and then it all disappeared. My guess is it was taken down and reposted complete with my comment.
Michael, don't feel like you need to extend much past impact with your body release. You can achieve very solid results by allowing your body to rotate better in the back swing and back down into impact by pulling your trail foot back from the target line and swinging normally. Good luck
Is it the same system set up and swing with the Driver
Great video.
if i take couple of practice swings to find my low point, is that low point where i should be at impact?with the ball just a couple of inches behind this low point?
thanks
john
saw a study by a chap in Texas who measured thousands of golfers at all ability levels. He found one major commonality in the pro golfers that was absent by degrees depending on handicap including scratch golfers; rate of closure. This would seem to be what Bertie is saying.
Robert Logan u have a link?
Do you have any drills to help us to reach the correct impact position??
Hockey/ split hand grip is good one.
How do you maintain lag tension and hit driver with a positive angle of attack? I understand that hitting driver on the up is recommended to optimise distance.
Good question. Watch the other videos i did with Brendon. They explain this exact thing. However to give you an answer here. You need to recognise that in the club head arc the head starts to work in a positive or upward direction after the club is approximately opposite the inside of your lead foot. If you practice hitting the impact curtain with the curtain opposite the outside of your lead foot then you will have retained lag tension while also having an upward angle of attack.
@@Dstgolf Thanks just to be clear, should I use the driver against the curtain? I understand that the DST compressor should not / doesn't need to be used against the curtain. Is that correct?
1:15 Not necessarily true because if you have a bad backswing and a bad downswing then that will not enable you to reach a good impact. You can try and train impact but without a decent backswing and downswing you can train impact for a hundred years and still never get there.
Fascinating.
This is golf right here...if you can grasp this concept then you energize the ball...then you can teach yourself how to aim it and control it. Impact is boss.
Bang on!
Is it ok to feel the shaft of the club remain close to my trail shoulder in the downswing? Tough for me to achieve LT so far. Will focus more on working backwards from impact!
Judge a feel by it’s effects.
Answered at 2:35.
Bill, start small get good at pivoting and releasing with half swings first. Do lots of split hand grip practice swings. Good luck
Hey Brendon, if you get a negative angle of attack number on a launch monitor is that indicative of having lag tension at impact? For example -3.0 on GC2.
No, you can certainly flip and have a down attack angle.
You have to have lag tension and be relatively shallow through the ball for most control
boogiebear2112 look at dynamic loft. That’s all this is. He’s just branded it as “lag tension.” You should have less loft at impact than your club has statically. That is forward shaft lean.
@@Somefatdude Ah thanks, I'll check it out next time
@@BEBETTERGOLF I see, thanks BBG
@@Somefatdude That is true most of the time, but it isn't unknown for a golfer to reduce dynamic loft just by placing the ball back in their stance and still flipping a little. In this instance they will have thrown away lag tension but reduced dynamic loft. So lag tension is the true test of this issue
Awesome vid
Hey Bertie, do you have any recommendations on how to shallow out the club in transition?
A good tip to allow your body to initiate the swing in the most efficient kinematic sequence is to "feel like" you pause at the top and allow gravity to act for a fraction of a second. This will allow your lower body to start moving while the club falls.
Would it make sense to set up in the impact position and start back swing from there?
Francis Gavin Bertie does. He used to think everyone should swing like that but has softened on that issue a bit but he does like people to do what u suggest.
Fantastic series with Bertie. Similar feeling to AJ's top over bottom which I have had successful with. Almost a feeling of a punch shot
Like a forward press like the old timers
@@Moishe555 ya definitely, makes sense as setup and impact are so different. I tend to forward pressure because if I don't i hit it thin
Francis, Jack Nicklaus did and so does every pro who have a forward press to trigger their take away.
If you look at the bad impact position vs the good impact position its the intent of the golfer of scooping or flinging the clubhead at the ball vs compressing the ball by swinging the whole club past the ball. The key word is compress. you compress the ball forward where the club is ahead of the ball at impact(except for the trailing club head). Its the same on a chip shot or a driver you are still trying to compress the ball so it goes straight forward as opposed to trying to lift it or scoop it. If your intent is to compress the ball straight forward, than you will reach the proper impact position.
the secret is in the right arm ; it works in a strange way....ooops
Choco thanks for showing me!
Impact bag
in a nutshell if your hands are in front of the ball at impact then you have lag tension?
a2fitness no. Your hands can be way in front of the ball and still not have tension
@@BEBETTERGOLF ok like if you handle drag?
email me if you want further explanation
@@BEBETTERGOLF ok thanks. It actually makes sense to me now. I just viewed Ricky Barnes swing and Im understanding this concept much better. This is some amazing stuff.
Where is your lag tension now B ?
We’ve had like a month of constant rain. Later this week I’ll get out w the canera
so strange in fact it requires a LOT of trial and error to figure it out by yourself. you need to find a pro and X amount of money so he can whisper in your ear...
U mean a playing pro, like a tour pro?
Seems you are emphasizing the lead arm and shaft should not be in line at impact but after impact. That doesn't fit with current or past great players. I've watch many videos face on and looked at pictures at impact and the lead arm and shaft are almost exactly in line at impact. The trail arms of great ball strikers are slightly bent at impact and their lead arm is in line with the shaft.
All your videos stop talking about swing just past the ball how about the rest the finishing swing
Does he really think that poor golfers are actually getting into a bad impact position because they've taken a poorly educated guess at what the shaft angle should be when they strike the ball? That may have been just some video filler, but I actually laughed when he said that.
So the question was, "Is it bad to chase an impact position," and the answer was, "no, here's how you chase an impact position," lol.