@@Post2k69 Ofc, just keep going and you’re destined to be great if you make content like this (even if you’re risking getting backlash from casual fans)
Kobe is a top 5. You can't deny, when he was in the game that he was not the best player on the floor? And impact the game the most? 2002-06 Kobe was top 3! I witnessed it!
@@Sjsjssjjsjsj-wjdkyk Kobe was superior to Shaq in the western conference, admittedly by Phil Jackson, everyone knows the real finals were in the western conference finals. You can’t tell me the Spurs and Kings aren’t better than the Sixers and Nets. Just say you didn’t watch games back then
@@Sjsjssjjsjsj-wjdkykand how about his 3 peat to a finals from 2008 to 2010??? Wasn't he the best player not in his team, but in entire league? 😂😂😂He absolutely was. And btw 2000s were the toughest era of basketball. Many many great teams and many legendary players facing each other in same time. And to put things in perspective, Shaq couldn't win a single ring without Kobe in his career, his career is nothing without Kobe. Before Kobe he didn't have either title or MVP and I'm going to argue that Shaq needed Kobe more than Kobe needed Shaq. Because in 2000 in conference finals against Portoand, game 7, most important game of the series, finals or bust probably, Kobe had that game most points, most rebounds, most assists and most steals. You heard that right, he had more points and rebounds than Shaq that game and also more steals and assists than him... AT AGE OF 21. Than in finals again, the most important game of that series, game 5. Shaq was fouled out, Kobe played terrible games before, guess what??? When Shaq was out, Kobe told everybody not to panic and he hit clutch shot after clutch shot in both rehulation and overtime and won that game while scoring 28 points and I'm saying again, HE WAS 22 YEARS OLD. Next year in 2001, Kobe was the best player in entire western conference. He was the best player in first round, 2nd round and conference finals against team with the best record. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, LOOK AT THE NUMBERS. First team was 50+ winning team, Kobe averaged 27 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assists on 47% shooting. 2nd team was Sacramento and they actually had 55+ wins that season. Kobe averaged 35 points, 6 rebounds and 7 assists on 47% shooting. And than finally against team with the best record in the league, San Antonio Spurs who had 60+ wins that year, Kobe averaged 33 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assists on 51% shooting from the field. Those are not stats from a guy who is veteran or who soend a lot of years in the NBA, THOSE ARE STATS FROM 2W YEARS OLD ASSASIN WHO WAS ON HIS MISSION THAT SEASON. Shaq was onoy the best player in finals that year, but it's also important THE ROAD OF THE FINALS, not just finals because to win title, you have to win in first, 2nd and 3rd round to reavh the finals. And Kobe was the best player for entire play off run in first 3 rounds.
It’s either bron or mj 1 and 2. 3 is a hard one. Kareem and wilt are one to think of. But I think it should be kobe. Than kareem than shaq than wilt than curry. All debatable at the end but one and 2 is solidified
Kobe and Tim D. easily top 5 players. You can’t just ignore the 2 guys who reigned over the by far harfest decade of the game, yeah russel, chamberlain magic or kareem were great players for their era, but I am sure as hell they wouldn’t have nearly the same amount of accolades if they played in the 2000s
Tim is not top 5 for us, top 10? Absolutely, we have him 8 and Kobe 5. Magic is way better than Tim. The greatest PG ever ranked 6th on our list. With these soft a$$ rules today. He'd avg 18+ APG. Wilt is the most physically dominant player ever even by today's standards. Probably the strongest player ever. The man deadlift 600 lbs! ask Arnold. He was also a phenomenal triathlon! nobody in the NBA can do that. He is ranked 2nd all-time behind MJ. Wilt would avg 35 15 7 today with no threes. Lane is wide open. Mj would average 47-50 when he is not mad. The game is horrible today. Look at the ratings. Colorado has higher ratings than the NBA and they are rebuilding team. That's all you need to know.
@@hainavidotcom yeah I mostly agree with what you said but you forgot that I was talking about the 2000s decade, this decade is easy as hell to play, 2000-2010 we’re the epitomy of the game of basketball, it had almost the amount of talent of today, it had great storylines, it had great rivalries, and the western conference during that time was just the strongest it had ever been by a huge gap, and Kobe still managed to get 5 rings in this era, even though he had Shaq he still did it twice without him and he faced and beated the most 50 win teams ever with a Pau Gasol, who was by far his best teammate, who only got 1 nba allstar title before he joined Kobe. And 2004-2007 Kobe played with absolute bums, kn the pinnacle of his performance, he got robbed multiple times and was injured a lot, which made his accomplishments on paper just barely top 10, but if you put it into context and ask nba players who actually played him LeBron and MJ the answer is mostly the same, mj was the best ever and Kobe is the only one that came actually close, Kobe in my top 2 definitely but top 5 is also fine I guess, but I heard so much bs about him that’s crazy, apparently he is worse than DWade and Tracy mcgrady, not even top 10 and the most overrated player ever, and Tim Duncan is just forgotten somehow, people should put respect on their names but 5 and 8 is fine
@@TheOneAndOnlyJinglebi The NBA today is shit doo doo. super weak and soft! the softest era in the history of the league and the ratings do not lie. All the others are better. The best era was mid 80s, 90s, and early to mid 00's. Europe is way better. They are the new 90s. This is why all these euros are dominating the game over us born players. every single one of them.
@@hainavidotcom mostly agree but Europeans are just catching up because novadays there are just more people that play this game on a high level outside the us
@@TheOneAndOnlyJinglebi they're better because of the rules and fundamental training. Nba doesn't focus on fundamental. They focus on AAU. Nba has gone down. They don't play at the same level. I'ma former professional athlete that played basketball for the sonics in 2002. Trust me on this
The part where you used true shooting for different superstars, it’s better to show relative true shooting. Also, saying Kobe’s stats are very similar to Jordan is somewhat not accurate; a 2% difference in TS% over a sample size of hundreds of games is huge, and just goes to explain how Jordan really perfected the fundamentals to be so efficient.
MJ got a much bigger chunk of his points from inside of 8-feet than Kobe did thanks to his lethal first step, and leaping ability. MJ also didn't play for 20 seasons. 45% FG for a 20-year career, a perimeter player, and a guy who gets over half of his points from 10-feet or further from the basket is actually very efficient, especially for the lowest scoring era in NBA history, and that's with taking many tough shots at times. If you were an NBA coach, would you ever tell a defender to sag off against Kobe Bryant from anywhere on the court? Would you allow Kobe to get a clean look shooting the ball from any range? Would you rely on committing a single defender against Kobe? No, you wouldn't because Kobe was an all-time great shooter, and he was especially great at shooting through contact. Go and watch Kobe goat szn to see how great of a shooter he really was. He would make shots through contact, or off of movement, and draw fouls while getting the and-1s off of jump-shots consistently. In the occasion that Kobe got a clean look, or a single defender matched up with him, Kobe was money from any distance. Kobe also had the greatest pull-up jumper in NBA history. If Kobe wanted to shoot 50% FG for his career, he easily could have by reducing the amount of contested shots he took. Kobe did play a more controlled game at times, but when his team needed him to carry the scoring load, he would take more chances with more difficult looks, and creating his own shot more often, especially when the shot-clock was running down, his team was on a scoring drought, or when he needed to carry his team across the finish line late in games. During his most efficient seasons, he would hover around 46% to 48% FG, and that was when he had competent teammates around him, and he didn't have to take as many contested shots.
MJ had Pippen to play D, Kobe was MJ and Pippen in one so his efficiency is a little lower. First team all Defense while averaging 35 ppg is crazy and no MVP.
@@docallentv Kobe’s defensive peak was in 2000, after that lots of his all defense selections are more out of his reputation. Sure, he’s one of the best when he’s locked in, but he isn’t always in that mode
Got my sub 2 glad u showed the injuries his last years that's what held him back he was on pace 2 eclipse MJ but got 2 close 2 da sun. Even still he was right there with him
People akways try to leave Kobe off the lists by saying he wasn't efficient. Dude won three titles in a row with Shaq, and then built his team up instead of running somewhere else and won two more titles in a row without Shaq. You can say every player on the GOAT lists needed the other people to win titles because it is super rare for a team with just one star to win a title.
I agree Kobe won back to back with out a 75 player in a stack west with less help dident join a súper team Kobe the only player that three peat and back to back in the last 20 years
one important thing to note about kobe is his lack of ANY advanced stat success. some say advanced stats aren't a perfect indicator of how good a player is as basketball. but its a pretty good one. my goat is michael jordan. in a 7 year stretch, he led the league in PER, VORP, BPM, and winshares. for 7 years straight. the next closest thing is lebron from 2009-2013. who happens to be my #2 all time. lebron from 2009-2013 also led the league in PER, VORP, BPM, and winshares. in total, jordan has led advanced stats 60 times in his career. lebron has led the league 43 times. other greats like duncan, shaq, magic, bird, kareem, wilt, russell, even modern ones like curry and durant have led the league dozens of times throughout their careers. theres just one player missing, and i think you know who it is. kobe. kobe, not once in 20 years, led the league in a single advanced stat. out of all the "concensus top ten" players, kobe is the only player to have never done this. he is also the only player among the "top ten" that has a career negative defensive +/-. just some food for thought.
Brilliant Video man 👍. Kobe is in my Top 5 no question of Greatest Players of All Time - Top 5: MJ, Magic, Bird, Kareem and Kobe. Kobe gets in my Best Starting 5 aswell - Starting 5: MJ, Pippen, Rodman, AI & Kobe.
Fool. No way bird is top 5. Too many ppl better. And Kobe top 5 ? He’s not even top 10. You an oldhead lebron hater I can tell u had sum agaisnt him since the 2000s trust me ik
Excellent video, ur channel is gonna explode soon. Agree with ur points, I feel like Kobe fans just don’t want to admit the bias, he is top 10 for sure tho
I don’t understand stand bro, first we were arguing whether Kobe was better than Jordan. Now he is “worse” than Lebron and then people don’t place him top 10 all time anymore. Social media is a joke, Kobe is top 5 all time, if u don’t think Kobe is not top 5 all time then that’s ur opinion but if don’t put Kobe in top 10 ATLEAST then u are straight up delusional. Kobe did not get carried by Shaq it has been proven Kobe could have easily gotten the 3 fmvps if the offense ran through Kobe.
No serious fan ever argued that Kobe was better than Jordan. Kobe scored less, on worse efficiency, played worse defence, won less championship, and won way less MVPs and finals MVPs.
I agree also Shaq put up those numbers becuase the East had weak center or were past there prime while Kobe had to guard three hall of famers Miller IA Kidd in those three finals
Ya’ll are stupid to put Kareem, Magic and Bird not as 3, 4, 5. You can make the claim for Wilt and Bill that they can be further out for the eras they played in, but the other 3 definitely deserve top 5 over everyone else as they are legends in a provable era. Kareem was the Goat before Michael. Magic and Bird saved the NBA. Would put Tim as no.7, Kobe at 6 though. If there’s anyone close to peeking into the top 5- it is Kobe. Then Shaq at 8. Guy was so good his pure talents carried him to 4 championships with half the work drive of Kobe. At 9 is Curry, guy rightfully deserves his spot after revolutionising the game and building a dynasty prior to KD with no superstars and just all stars. 73-9 is an insane feat along with unanimous MVP.
@@CriticaLLout i know, i was talking about how this guy says someone said that if you cant be the best at your position then u cant be top 10 but if u have 5 positions and 5 best players how do you have 10 players for the top 10?
wouldn't say kobe dominated his whole career he was averaging like 5 ppg in his first few years and shaq carried him to 3 titles in his prime. i love kobe but he wasent dominant going into the nba like mj bron kareem wilt magic or shaq. don't hate on me for saying this but kobe isn't top 10 he just isn't he has 1 MVP thats it there are guys who have more mvps [jokic, giannis,] who i am not saying are better but beat him in categories that they shouldn't. kobe was great and will always be. but just not top 10 'rest in peace mamba'
3 total MVPs (2 FMVP+1MVP) TD got 5 Bird got 5 Magic got 6 Shaq got 4 Kareem got 8 MJ got 11 Wilt got 6 Bill got like 11 Bron got 8 Kobe's whole case is mamba mentality, all that bs. If we looking at career and not vibes, Kobe fans should be thankful he's top ten
@@codg3484 Its easy to pull up any accolade and compare who has more, I can use that to benefit Kobe more than you can use it against Kobe. 5 rings 2nd most all NBA 2nd most all NBA 1st team 2nd most all defense 1st most all defense Same amount of FMVPS as Kareem Same amount of MVPs as Shaq Most pts/reb/ast by position Be real
I think more people have kobe top5 then don't. That's the issue. Those that don't argue against him harder as a result. His skills were top5. But that lack of team attitude in a team game hurt him. Jordan was the same, but he was SO good it didn't matter. For kobe it did matter.
The thing that boggles my mind to this date is that there are other NBA greats who are in EVERYONE's the top 10, but have very similar careers/arguements as Kobe.... but Kobe gets overlooked : 1) Hakeem the dream - 2x NBA Champ, 2x FMVP, and is (argued by many) as the most skilled big man in history of the NBA.... Many ex-NBA players (like Jalen Rose, Pierce, Billups) allargue that Kobe was the MOST SKILLED nba player ever... Why does Hakeem get in the top 10 because of skill but Kobe doesnt? 2) Duncan has had a very similar career to Kobe: both 5x NBA Titles, both most defensive teams for their respective positions (Forward vs. Guard), had phenominal supporting casts.. And Kobe even dominates DUncna in head-to-head battles in the West Playoffs (out of 6 series, Kobe won 4 including 2 sweeps in 2002, and 2008). Why is Duncan in everyone's top 10 and Kobe is not in top 10? They should be ranked very close to each other. 3) The "inefficiency" fallacy.. Based on CAREER TRUE SHOOTING: Kobe shot better than other top 10 greats: Hakeem the Dream, Duncan, and Bill Russell. Kobe's career TS% is only 1% below MJ's at 55% vs 56%, respectively. Kobe, in basically any arguement, should be in everyone's top 10. I think what perhaps hurts his arguement are the journalist based votes of "MVP" since Kobe only has 1... issue is that from 2002-2013, Kobe finished top 5 in MVP voting from in 12 out of 13 seasons... Only season he didn't finish top 5 in was due to Kobe's court battle.
@@81superjay "very inefficient shooter"? Kobe's true shooting % in his career is 55%. TIm Duncan's is 55% Michael Jordan is 56% Hakeem The Dream's is 51% Biull Russell is 47.1% If Kobe is "inefficient".. then so is literally the 4 other GOAT's in the top 5.
Derek Fisher has more Championships, Kobe gets as much credit for the three- peat as Fisher does. Big shot shot Bob has more Championships than Kobe as well and he also got carried by Shaq!
Only players that played with or against Kobe, can judge him. Because they have the experience to do so. And did he need Shaq to win chips. Nope! and he proved it twice. He's also has 12 all defensive team honors. Yes more than MJ who had 9...
Bruh because of his passion alone I got Kobe Bryant in my top three ever since I was a kid. It was always Jordan Kobe and LeBron versing each other and who is better.
Another Kobe fan try to weasel out of Kobe WORST stats and intentionally not show them (we all know the "it was a defensive game guys" and "4th quarter tho" arguments). Another video going to ignore the FG and because Kobe is good at FT will just look at true shooting. Here are some FACTS about Kobe being "good" at the finals. Kobe was shooting BELOW 35 % FG in 12 out of his 37 games in the finals. You ask why he is called inefficient? This is why. Let's compare him to D Wade , Jordan and Lebron. D Wade shot below 35 % FG 3 times out of 29 games, MJ 3 times out of 35 games and LeBron 6 times out of 55 games. So JUST TO OPEN your Kobe fan eyes, I will summarize those numbers. Kobe SHOT BELOW 35 % FG in 12/37 (which is 32.4 % of all his games) while MJ, Lebron and Wade COMBINED shot below 35 % in 12 / 119 (10 % of their games). So Kobe alone had equal number of inefficient games at the finals compared to all the other 3 players combined while playing 3 times less games. But as a true "unbiased" Kobe fan you will ignore this and quickly mention some 4th quarter bull**** to paint the picture that somehow Kobe was amazing at the finals. And now let's go to True Shooting at the finals. Who had the most games with less than 45 % TS. MJ just had 1 / 35. Wade had 6/29 , LeBron had 7/55 (all 3 combine to 14) and Kobe had 11 !!!!! /37. Even if you try to escape to the TS it simply won't save your narrative how great Kobe was at the finals. So to answer your question - YES, Kobe is top 10 but he is out of top 5. And it is not even debatable. I would rank him somewhere between 7 and 10.
Cherrypicked stats without context are called narratives. Kobe played in a tough defensive era, was given the most defensive pressure out of anyone in NBA history during his last 3 finals, could affect the game outside of scoring and was injured during most of his finals runs.
@@d3adyoutubeaccount what if I show you the FG of other guards who literally played in Kobe era ??? What if Kobe FG is the worst among them? Will you have enough context? What would be the excuse then? Kobe just is bad in the finals (for an all time great). Facts. You can find excuses all day long . The facts will remain the same. Just for the record, Shaq played in 6 finals, in 3 of them he played Vs literally the 3 best defensive centers of all time: Hakeem, Mutombo, Wallace. Shaq is the player with the highest FG among all centers in the finals despite playing Vs those 3 great defenders. And Kobe...he needs more excuses.
@@MANDMK And Kobe faced Mutombo, Garnett and Wallace’s help defense alongside great perimeter defenders like Jason Kidd, Tony Allen, Tayshaun Prince and Rajon Rondo. He had to go through more defensively
He is def top 2-5. I'm going with my personal view of him and mainly WHAT HIS PEERS THINKS OF HIS STANDINGS. Kobes,peers, spoken this way before he'd passed, so let's not use the sympathy angle here to why they'll say he's top 2-5.
@@nathanwhyte9048 you must be some kind of slow. His peers n those with great vision says the same thing. If u don't like him.. fine but don't lie on him. I don't like Bron but he's def top 6-10. The disrespect of this man has to stop. An out top 10 player gotten all the cameras at his final tour is unheard of.
Why isn't Kobe considered a top 5 player of all time despite his incredible career? Kobe Bryant is often included in discussions about the greatest basketball players of all time, but opinions on his placement within the top five can vary based on several factors: Championships and Legacy: While Kobe won five NBA championships and was a key player in those successes, some argue that players like Michael Jordan (6 titles), LeBron James (4 titles and counting), and Bill Russell (11 titles) had more significant impacts on their teams' successes. The perception of a player's legacy is often tied to championships won. Efficiency and Stats: Critics often point to Kobe's shooting efficiency. His career field goal percentage is around 44.7%, which is lower than many other top players. This can lead to debates about his scoring style and whether it was as effective as it could have been. Era of Play: Kobe played in an era with significant competition, but some argue that players like Jordan and LeBron faced different challenges and had different impacts on the game. The evolution of the game, including changes in rules and playing styles, can also affect how players are evaluated across eras. Team Dynamics: Kobe’s career included periods of both individual brilliance and team success. His relationship with teammates and coaches, particularly during his early career, has been scrutinized. Some believe that players like Magic Johnson and Larry Bird had more transformative impacts on their teams. Subjectivity of Rankings: Personal biases and preferences play a significant role in how players are ranked. Fans often have different criteria for greatness, leading to varied opinions on who deserves a spot in the top five. Comparative Greatness: When comparing Kobe to other all-time greats, some players are often viewed as having more versatile skill sets or greater influence on the game. For example, the all-around skills of players like Magic Johnson or the dominance of Shaquille O'Neal can overshadow Kobe in certain discussions. In summary, while Kobe Bryant is undoubtedly one of the greatest players in NBA history, the combination of championship success, individual efficiency, and the subjective nature of greatness can lead to disagreements about his placement in the top five There are measures by which Kobe is Top 5 all-time. If you wanted to argue that Kobe is Top 5 in “Most Influential NBA Player Ever” I think there’s a strong argument. If we’re talking “Most Winning Players Since 1970 Who Scored a Ton of Points” then he’s definitely in that group. If we’re talking “Players Most Evocative of the Jordan Standard (wings with two-way impact who scored first and distributed second (but well) and were compulsive about taking the last shot no matter how difficult)” then Kobe’s definitely in that category L If we told you that you could get paid to watch videos on your computer, you’d probably laugh. It’s too good to be true, right? All you have to do is choose which videos you want to watch and answer a few quick questions about them afterward. No, InboxDollars won’t replace your full-time job, but it’s something easy you can do while you’re already on the couch tonight wasting time on your phone. Unlike other sites, InboxDollars pays you in Based on the facts, the answer would have to be some combination of disrespect, bias, and ignorance. Winning is the point of the game. When a player has only 2 seasons out of 20 with a Super Team (the ‘04 season with prime Shaq/Kobe, 40-year-old Karl Malone & 35-year-old Gary Payton, and the disastrous ‘13 season with 3 different coaches, 2 very old stars - Kobe & Nash - and a maelstrom of injuries and internal strife - to say nothing of the deleterious presence of 1-season-in-LAL-and-done, King Knucklehead Dwight Howard, a guy who even got Nicest Guy in the World Steve Nash to excoriate him on the court for being a very dumb, bad player, to say nothing of the wrath he incurred from Kobe Bryant) and plays in arguably the toughest conference in NBA history (‘00-‘10 Western Conference) and still manages to go 7-0 in the Western Conference Finals and 5-2 in the Finals, this matters. A lot. There seems to be an excessive penalty put on Kobe’s years with Shaq. An ignorant sort of, “Kobe just rode Shaq’s coattails” type of thing. Untrue and unfair. Shaq was the #1 guy ‘00-‘04 (although ‘03 & ‘04 was very close). Everybody knows that. However, for 4 of those 5 years (‘01-‘04, when Kobe was ages 22-25), combining regular season and playoff stats, Shaq and Kobe both averaged 27 PPG Shaq was the better scorer with a +12.5 advantage in FG%, but the volume was equal. In fact, because Kobe was more healthy and available, he scored 824 more total points during that span. During that 4-year span, while averaging equal PPG to Shaq and scoring more total points than Shaq, Kobe was also a) LAL’s best ball-handler/facilitator, b) LAL’s most decorated, most versatile, most fundamentally sound defender (All Defense every year, 1st Team in ‘03 & ‘04), c). LAL’s best perimeter scorer (by a gigantic margin), d) LAL’s best crunchtime closer, and, e) LAL’s best FT-shooter (84% on 8 ATT/G and a 30% advantage over Shaq) Of course, he also, at age 21, after missing most of Game 2 and all of Game 3 with “the worst sprained ankle of my career” (his words) came back in Game 4 and made 3 HUGE clutch plays in overtime with Shaq fouled out to put LAL up 3-2 in the ‘00 Finals. Given the facts, diminishing Kobe’s contributions to the early-‘00s Lakers on both ends of the court is a fool’s errand. With Shaq and role players, Kobe won 12 straight playoff series for 3 straight championships against 12 teams with an average of 54 wins apiece. In ‘01, at age 22, Kobe’s 1st Rd opponent had 50 wins. 2nd Rd: 55 wins. CF: 58 wins. Finals: 56 wins. Essentially, it is a playoff schedule against four 55-win teams. Kobe averaged in that 16-game playoff run: 29.5 PPG, 47 FG%, 32.5 3PT%, 82 FT% on 9.5 ATT/G. 7 RPG, 6 APG, 1.6 SPG, and 0.8 BPG. In his 69 straight playoff games from ‘01-‘04, Kobe averaged: 27.5 PPG, 43.5 FG%, 33 3PT%, 80.5 FT% on 8 ATT/G. 6 RPG, 5 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.5 BPG With Shaq, Kobe, any role players, LAL averaged 100 G/year for 5 straight years and won 70% of them. They won 12 straight playoff series against 12 teams with an average of 54 wins apiece for a 3-peat. Jordan’s ‘91-‘93 3-peat came against 12 teams with an average of 51 wins, and the Shaq/Kobe Lakers never had a #3 guy as good as ‘91-‘93 Horace Grant. The degree-of-difficulty in that early-‘00s playoff schedule, plus the fact that, while having the ultimate Dynamic Duo, it was only role players 3-8 constitutes a truly all-time-high playoff-degree-of-difficulty Kobe had. With Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom (Odom is in the ‘Horace Grant strata’ - too good to be a ‘role player’ and not great enough to be a ‘star’ - and no one would say Gasol was as great as, say, McHale, Worthy, or Pippen) Kobe won 70% of his games for 5 straight years ‘08-‘12. 3 straight NBA Finals appearances, back-to-back Championships. 11 playoff series wins against 11 teams with an average of 53 wins apiece. Finally, throwing in the ‘04 Western Conference Championship season (the only season in Kobe’s career with a Super Team - I suppose a 40-year-old Karl Malone + 35-year-old Gary Payton equals about 1 Superstar 😉), Kobe’s 7 NBA-Finals-reaching seasons, ultimately with a Finals record of 5-2, consisted of 26 playoff series victories against 26 teams averaging 53 wins apiece. Historically, elite winning. Not just in terms of raw numbers but also after putting under the scrutiny of contextualization. High degree-of-difficulty winning - both in terms of having almost 0 deep, loaded Super Teams over his career and having a consistently deep, tough playoff Strength of Schedule. This matters. A lot. When Kobe Bryant averages 28 PPG for 14 years (‘00-‘13) and makes 12 All-Defensive Teams along the way, he is a two-way player historically comparable only to Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and Michael Jordan. It is common to hear people cast doubts on that 12x number of Kobe’s, All-Defense-wise. “He didn’t deserve several of those,” they say. Even if we apply an “Overrated Penalty” to that number, reducing it to as few as 8x or even 7x, the fact remains: an 8x or 7x All-Defensive Team selection who simultaneously averages 28 PPG for 14 years, shooting 84% from the foul line on 8 ATT/G and averaging 5 APG is one of the 4 greatest two-way players in history. Ultimately, a 14-year run (‘00-‘13, ages 21-34) of: 28 PPG on 45.5 FG%, 33.5 3PT%, 84 FT%. 5.5 RPG, 5 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.5 BPG, 12x All-Defense. The quality of winning record, the flawless fundamentals, the top-4 all-time 2-way player status, and his elite intangibles (mental toughness, killer instinct, clutch dependability, basketball intelligence - the fact that the vast majority Kobe’s/Lebron’s peers choose Kobe over Lebron) makes Kobe an absolute shoe-in for Top 5 All-Time
Kobe's all-time ranking is so varied because most of the people who are judging his career didn't actually watch him play. After Kobe won his 5th championship, the conversation was about Kobe being a legitimate threat to MJ's GOAT status. That was the realistic conversation back in 2010-2013. Once Lebron won his first championship, and Kobe got hurt, the media started trying to devalue Kobe's legacy, and they somewhat succeeded on a shallow level with the younger generation of fans who started watching basketball towards the end of Kobe's career, or after Kobe had retired. There was a time when there was no question about Kobe's greatness, but Lemedia with their Legenda has went out of their way to reduce Kobe to the level of guys like Lebron, Steph Curry, or KD. Kobe was always beyond any of those guys in skill level, ability, talent, and championship pedigree. In a league with guys like Duncan, Dirk, Lebron, Shaq, Iverson, Kidd, Carmello, Wade, and so many others, Kobe was far beyond any of them, and they all knew it.
I watched Kobe's entire career, i was a few years out of high school when he was drafted. Kobe is not a top ten player all time and he shouldn't be anywhere near the GOAT conversation.
It’s the inefficiency He was efficient compared to the league and other volume scorers, but not compared to other all-time greats KD may love Kobe but he is a much better scorer than Kobe ever was, and that’s undeniable, there is literally no case to be made for Kobe in that comparison. If Kobe is primarily a ball-dominant scorer and KD (who is in nobody’s Top 5) is a better scorer than him, how does that work? Kobe made a lot of tough midrange shots, but this is not optimal scoring. I believe people confuse the amazing style & aesthetics of Kobe’s game for superior skill and value. I say this as someone who loves nothing more than watching players with an amazing midrange game, Kobe and Melo among them.
My thing is… whatever you value in players.. Kobe is easily top 10. Skill, peak, prime, accolades, championship, stats. I have him top 5. If ppl don’t that’s fine. But when ppl say “he has no case for top 5” that’s when ik they’re being biased. He’s top 10 easily and has a case for top 5
Kobe should be, no discussion, top 5 minimum. People like to discount him because 2002 on he had a feud with media fav Shaq. Then, around the Colorado incident, he stopped being friendly with the media which all hurt his media voted accolades (like mvp trophies). He played his first 7 years with Shaq, which despite being a larger part of the offense over there 2000-2004 contending years (1ppg less than Shaq but more Ast/gm), Kobe was unfairly viewed as a second option. His cumulative stats on paper don't look as nice due to coming off the bench his 1st 2 seasons and being injured for his last 3, plus playing in the dead ball era. If you look at his prime years from 2000-2013, he was the highest scoring player in both ppg and total points. But looking at a start sheet, people see 26ppg on 44% fg with no context and aren't impressed. I have said for years that Kobe, more than any other top 5 player needs context. Yes, on a start sheet, he seems like a 5-10 all time player. But you need the context. Kobe authored 3 of the 5 runs to the NBA finals where a team faced 50+ win opponents in every round (2001, 2008. 2010). Kobe was the only player to win consecutive championships with no other top 75 player on the roster (09 & 10). Kobe scored 81 points in a year when teams scored 95 points on average. Kobe was All NBA and All NBA defense 1st or 2nd team every year of his prime. Kobe played in, arguably, the toughest decade long division in the history of the NBA and still won half of the championships. This is not to take away from other players, but people like to disrespect Kobe and it's usually based on personal hate or ignorance. He was the definition of win at all costs (for those who think he padded stats, I'll remind you that Kobe pulled himself from a 62pt through 3 quarters game where HE was out-scoring an NBA finals team because "he'll do it when they need it." and his team didn't need more scoring that night). The man is a legend and easily a top 5 player.
Also, personally, to be considered in the GOAT convo you need to have been the best player of your era (generally a decade). So, in the convo for me is Russel (60's), Kareem (70's), Magic/Bird (80's and my one exception since they are generally considered about =), Jordan (90's), Kobe (00's), LeBron (10's). If you were second best in your own era, there's no debate for me.
@@idektbh18 Lebronze without Kobe: 2 bronze olympic medals. With Kobe saving his ass (after making him his bitch in the training...), he finally got a gold.
He's in the top 8-11 range. His passing moved him up higher for many. 1 regular season, MVP regardless of circumstances removes him from the top 5 conversation. Hes not even the best player in his era. This belongs to Duncan, who some don't have in their top 5. Which is crazy
Accept I just a video from 2010-11 season of a panel discussing if he had passed MJ as the GOAT they all said not yet but he right there with him his legacy has been under attack since he retired/died seems Kobe gets worse and worse every year
Duncan is not the best player of their era it was Kobe. Duncan isn’t the conversation for top 5 because he’s not better than Kobe, Jordan, Bird Wilt, Magic, and others.
@tylercanton3836 if you believe so. Duncan just was consistent, not flashy. He won every year. Never less than 50 wins in a full 82 game season. 3 FMVP, 2 Regular season MVPs, 15 all defense teams. For me it' was his era, but eh..
So Kobe shot worse than wade by quite a bit but that means he’s not an inefficient shot chucked. Also saying Kobe was taking more longer and contested shots doesn’t help him because he wasn’t making them so he is shot chucking
Kobe is top 5, or top 3 depending on who you ask. There is no way he isn't top 5. They can deny it all they want, but there aren't 5 guys in NBA history who were better than Kobe. Not Lebron, not Duncan, not Shaq, not Hakeem, not Bird, and not Magic. Outside of MJ, the only other guys I would even consider putting ahead of Kobe would be maybe Kareem, and Wilt. That's it!! Everyone else doesn't hold a candle to Kobe Bryant.
He's not better than MJ, Bird, Magic, Kareem, Duncan, Hakeem, Russell, Chamberlain, ShaQ or Bron. Consider this factoid: When Bron, Larry, ShaQ, MJ, Magic etc,. come to your team, your guaranteed to make the playoffs. Every one of the players that I listed would take Smush Parker & Kwame Brown to the PLAYOFFS!!! Without DOMINANT players[And Phil Jackson] he can't make the playoffs. The Blown 4-Peat against Detroit {Jacking up shots & not dumping it to ShaQ, going away from the 🔼 tryin to be like MJ} the blowout chip game 6 against Boston when he didn't show up! He's top 12-18 with Isaiah, Moses, The Big-O, Dr.J, Jerry West.
@ He borrowed from those before him like every player does but he shot more jump shots had better handles shot from further out and advanced the art of footwork
in my personal top 10 list i also take the consideration of how the player has affected my life or how inspiring he has been for me. kobe has been someone i've looked up to for years and that's one of my strongest reasons to keep him at 2nd in my top 10
Not a shot jacker, efficient for his era with the most assists by position too. Did not give up in game 7 vs Sun (24 points on 66% shooting) Made playoffs without Phil Jackson So you criticize Kobe for taking less efficient shots then you criticize him for taking more efficient shots, then you lie?
Lol, come on. That's nit even a question. For me it's not even a wuestion if he is top 5 player of all time. Top 5 spot is automatic for him. People just look at his career averages without understanding the context of these numbers. When Kobe was rookie, Lakers already had multiple all stars on the court and first 2 years he was coming off the bench and played very few minutes per game and averahing around 8-10 points per game. And of course, last 2 seasons he wasn't even 30% the player that he was before after toring his achillies, his prime was over in 2013 and he was never the same. If he take away all those seasons, he still had another 15 seasons and btw those are still more seasons than Larry Bird and Magic soo he has played much longer than them. In those 15 season Kobe is actually averaging above 27,5 points per game, that's literally Kobe Bryant, those are stats that we should consider about him because everyone who knows basketball would tell you that Kobe is one of the top 3 greatest scorers of all time. 2nd... The reason why he hasn't 2 or even 3 MVPs in his career is because he is the only top 10 player eho spent prime of his career with terrible supoorting cast. Kobe had insanee stats in both 2006 and 2007, but he didn't win MVP those seasons because Lakers were too famn trash. I see hoe people are critisizing Nuggets right now and yeah, they are bad, Jokic is pulling a miravke right now, but guess what??? They have at least Westbrook who had 29 points last game and Porter eho had like 24 points and their bench isn't soo trash like Lakers's bench in late 2000s. Literally from 2005 to 2007 that Lakers team was even weaker, even worse than these Nuggets, you could also fream some of those players to have 25+ point game... It was all about Kobe on offense AAND defense too. Soo I don't wamt to hear someone telling ne that Larry Bird and Magic are greater players than him because with all due respect to both of these legends... No, it's not even that close when you look at the proper context. Kobe has made 12 defensive teams in his career, 9 of them were first defensive teams, Kobe in his 15 "healthy" seasons averages 3 more points than Larry Bird and his rebounding and passing numbers are also all above 5 soo yeah, you can definitely argue that Larry is greater passer than Kobe, but offensively as a whole package... No, Kobe is bigger killer than Bird. Bird never ever won scoring title in his career, Bird never even averaged 30 points per game, Kobe averaged 30 points per game 3 seasons and he even averaged 35,4 points in one of the best defensive seasons of all time, he won 2 scoring titles and he has much better longevity than Bird. Everyone is comparing Kobe's "real stats per game" against Magic and Larry, but nobody talks about the fact that Kobe played much longer on a high level than both of them, nobody is talking about his longevity and all other things that matter. I can go further and further, but it would be too much for one comment. Anyway, Kobe is for ke clearly better than Magic and Bird. And not just him, I can even argue that Tim Duncan is better than these 2 guys.
heres my list, mj and bron 1 and 2 in no order. 3. kareem 4 and 5 would have to be kobe or tim duncan. but leaving magic out? its rough. magic if he didn’t get aids would might have been known as top 3 minimum.
I know Kobe had Shaq for the first 3, and that Pao was a great player, but he wasn't a superstar. Shaq had a Kobe, but Kobe didn't have a Shaq, or any other superstar. Plus, he had to beat the stacked Celtic one of those years. A super team. I also didn't hear anything about defense in the analysis. Love your channel though. It's top 5 no question!
I can tell you in one word... efficiency, of all the GOAT candidates, Kobe is the least efficient, and he is my all time favorite, but MJ, Kareem, Wilt, LeBron, Russell, Magic, Duncan, Shaq, Bird, Hakeem, KD, Steph, all get him on efficiency
Lebron n Steph are not in this they play in the Barbie era bron couldn't win till all the greats basically got 2 old n he jus steamrolled ppl. Not very impressive if u ask me. Ain't got nothing against any of the others u mentioned except of course the bigs are gonna have better efficiency they barely shot the ball everything was in the paint they had 2 earn it tho. MJ n Kobe both top of the pyramid love old skool ball
not top 5. It is crazy that you got guys like AI T Mac shaq kyrie Curry kd himself having kobe number 2 Kobe faced 12 50-win teams from 08 to 2010 playoffs. That's more than what lebron faced his entire playoff career. Kobe touched the finals 3 times straight without shaq and averaged 30 pts 5.5 rebounds 5.5 Assists 47% shooting. case closed only Player in nba history to have 600 points in 3 year playoff span In kobes, 5 championship runs. 85% of the teams he faced were 50 win teams, and now let's see some other players Mj:67% Lebron:50% Kareem:43% Magic:50% Bill:50% Larry:55% Tim:65% Big o:0% Kobe scored the most points in a single decade in nba history and that decade was the lowest scoring decade in nba history kobe in 2001 nba playoffs against tim duncan kobe was easily the best player on the floor averaging 33 7 rebounds 7 Assists 1.5 steals 51.4% fgs at 22 years old this was better then any of currys nba playoffs and sure shaq and duncan were really good but in that series kobe was the best Kobe in his prime, averaged 40 for a whole month 3 times 2 in 2006 January where he averaged 43.4ppg 5.5rb 4.1 ast 62.1TS-JAN and 2006 march where he averaged 41.6 5.5rb 3.6ast 62.1TS 2 scroing titles in a row dropped 81 in 06 and 65 in 07 dropped 50 in a playoff game most game winners 2006 2007 averaged 35.4 5 Rebounds and 4 Assist in 2006 and averaged 31 5 and 5 in 07 and in 2007 he had 4 games where he had 50 or more points which has only been done since wlit Multiple 50 60 point games in 07 06 won all star game mvp in 07 where he had 31 6 Assists and 6 steals 27.0 5.4 5.0 1.5 2009 to 2010 NBA Champion Finals MVP scoring leader All-NBA 1st Team Fourth in scoring All star game mvp 1st team all defense 2008-09 First 26.8 5.2 4.9 1.5 NBA Champion Finals MVP 61 points in NY (record for the Madison Square Garden) All-NBA 1st Team Third in scoring 1st team all defense 2007-08 First 28.3 6.3 5.4 1.8 Season MVP All-NBA 1st Team Second in scoring 1st Team all defense 2006-07 First 31.6 5.7 5.4 1.4 Scoring Champion All-NBA 1st Team All-Star Game MV 10 50-plus point games All star game mvp 1st team al defense 2005-06 First 35.4 5.3 4.5 1.8 Scoring Champion All-NBA 1st Team 81 points in one game 5 or more 50 60 point games 1st Team all defense He sits third on the list of NBA all-time scoring leaders, having amassed 33,643 points across his 20-season career. His most prolific season came in 2005-2006, when he scored an average of 35.4 regular season points per game across 80 games for the LA Lakers.
Kobe is a great player. One of the greatest. However we cannot over look the fact that he was the second greatest player on his own team for 8 years. No other “greatest” has that luxury.
@ lm not a hater. Kobe is one of my top 15 all time. But to say he wasn’t 2nd best on his own team is ridiculous. Look at the stats. Tell me what years did he play with Shaq where he was equal to Shaq. Kobe blossomed when Shaq was gone but Shaq casts a BIG shadow and Kobe was in it.
Era is the reason why some players are where they are LBJ shouldn’t be in anyone’s top 10 he has played in the weakest era’s most inflated era ridiculously low win percentage in playoffs his inability or none desire to play defense except for the occasional defense highlight play all throughout his career he has been a tool to get more people to watch the NBA and I quote the next MJ when he has failed at every single level along with many other players in this era who have the same issues with their careers
Nice analysis, but some advanced stats without context are not worth a penny. E.g. comparing LBJ and Kobe with clutch shots in the finals in my opinion are pointless - Kobe on arguably half of his finals wasn't the best player on the team, so it was much easier to score for him. In the meantime, LeBron often did not have any help like in the ridiculous 2007 or 2018 finals... And one more thing: it's easy to put Kobe in the top 10, the real struggle is who would land outside of it :) Fingers crossed for upcoming videos, great content!
It was easier for him to score because He wasn't the best player. What are you talking about? Shaq dominated the finals but kobe led them there look at those stats
@@michakisiel1635Yes, for that series but who was the best player in the Western conference that year? That was a more competitive a competitive series at that went 7 games, who led the comeback in game 7 when they were down 15 in the fourth quarter. Everybody knew who ever won that game was gonna win the championship
I thought you had at least 250K subscribers, when I saw 1K I thought I was bugging. I’m proud to be part of the journey, keep going.
thanks bro, means a lot :)
@@Post2k69 Ofc, just keep going and you’re destined to be great if you make content like this (even if you’re risking getting backlash from casual fans)
Kobe is a top 5. You can't deny, when he was in the game that he was not the best player on the floor? And impact the game the most? 2002-06 Kobe was top 3! I witnessed it!
Kobe was better when he was winning, that was just when he needed to put up stats
@@d3adyoutubeaccountnope lmao not even the best in their three peat”
No
@@Sjsjssjjsjsj-wjdkyk Kobe was superior to Shaq in the western conference, admittedly by Phil Jackson, everyone knows the real finals were in the western conference finals. You can’t tell me the Spurs and Kings aren’t better than the Sixers and Nets. Just say you didn’t watch games back then
@@Sjsjssjjsjsj-wjdkykand how about his 3 peat to a finals from 2008 to 2010??? Wasn't he the best player not in his team, but in entire league? 😂😂😂He absolutely was. And btw 2000s were the toughest era of basketball. Many many great teams and many legendary players facing each other in same time. And to put things in perspective, Shaq couldn't win a single ring without Kobe in his career, his career is nothing without Kobe. Before Kobe he didn't have either title or MVP and I'm going to argue that Shaq needed Kobe more than Kobe needed Shaq. Because in 2000 in conference finals against Portoand, game 7, most important game of the series, finals or bust probably, Kobe had that game most points, most rebounds, most assists and most steals. You heard that right, he had more points and rebounds than Shaq that game and also more steals and assists than him... AT AGE OF 21. Than in finals again, the most important game of that series, game 5. Shaq was fouled out, Kobe played terrible games before, guess what??? When Shaq was out, Kobe told everybody not to panic and he hit clutch shot after clutch shot in both rehulation and overtime and won that game while scoring 28 points and I'm saying again, HE WAS 22 YEARS OLD. Next year in 2001, Kobe was the best player in entire western conference. He was the best player in first round, 2nd round and conference finals against team with the best record. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, LOOK AT THE NUMBERS. First team was 50+ winning team, Kobe averaged 27 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assists on 47% shooting. 2nd team was Sacramento and they actually had 55+ wins that season. Kobe averaged 35 points, 6 rebounds and 7 assists on 47% shooting. And than finally against team with the best record in the league, San Antonio Spurs who had 60+ wins that year, Kobe averaged 33 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assists on 51% shooting from the field. Those are not stats from a guy who is veteran or who soend a lot of years in the NBA, THOSE ARE STATS FROM 2W YEARS OLD ASSASIN WHO WAS ON HIS MISSION THAT SEASON. Shaq was onoy the best player in finals that year, but it's also important THE ROAD OF THE FINALS, not just finals because to win title, you have to win in first, 2nd and 3rd round to reavh the finals. And Kobe was the best player for entire play off run in first 3 rounds.
He’s obviously top 5, haters just spun the narrative
Skillwize yes... but low basketball IQ, ego, shitty teammate, ballhog.
1 single regular season MVP keeps him way lower
@@VelaniTheOne his case kept him from being at least a 4 if not 5 time mvp facts
Hes not top 10 for me
It’s either bron or mj 1 and 2. 3 is a hard one. Kareem and wilt are one to think of. But I think it should be kobe. Than kareem than shaq than wilt than curry. All debatable at the end but one and 2 is solidified
Kobe and Tim D. easily top 5 players. You can’t just ignore the 2 guys who reigned over the by far harfest decade of the game, yeah russel, chamberlain magic or kareem were great players for their era, but I am sure as hell they wouldn’t have nearly the same amount of accolades if they played in the 2000s
Tim is not top 5 for us, top 10? Absolutely, we have him 8 and Kobe 5.
Magic is way better than Tim. The greatest PG ever ranked 6th on our list. With these soft a$$ rules today. He'd avg 18+ APG. Wilt is the most physically dominant player ever even by today's standards. Probably the strongest player ever. The man deadlift 600 lbs! ask Arnold. He was also a phenomenal triathlon! nobody in the NBA can do that. He is ranked 2nd all-time behind MJ. Wilt would avg 35 15 7 today with no threes. Lane is wide open. Mj would average 47-50 when he is not mad. The game is horrible today. Look at the ratings. Colorado has higher ratings than the NBA and they are rebuilding team. That's all you need to know.
@@hainavidotcom yeah I mostly agree with what you said but you forgot that I was talking about the 2000s decade, this decade is easy as hell to play, 2000-2010 we’re the epitomy of the game of basketball, it had almost the amount of talent of today, it had great storylines, it had great rivalries, and the western conference during that time was just the strongest it had ever been by a huge gap, and Kobe still managed to get 5 rings in this era, even though he had Shaq he still did it twice without him and he faced and beated the most 50 win teams ever with a Pau Gasol, who was by far his best teammate, who only got 1 nba allstar title before he joined Kobe. And 2004-2007 Kobe played with absolute bums, kn the pinnacle of his performance, he got robbed multiple times and was injured a lot, which made his accomplishments on paper just barely top 10, but if you put it into context and ask nba players who actually played him LeBron and MJ the answer is mostly the same, mj was the best ever and Kobe is the only one that came actually close, Kobe in my top 2 definitely but top 5 is also fine I guess, but I heard so much bs about him that’s crazy, apparently he is worse than DWade and Tracy mcgrady, not even top 10 and the most overrated player ever, and Tim Duncan is just forgotten somehow, people should put respect on their names but 5 and 8 is fine
@@TheOneAndOnlyJinglebi The NBA today is shit doo doo. super weak and soft! the softest era in the history of the league and the ratings do not lie. All the others are better. The best era was mid 80s, 90s, and early to mid 00's. Europe is way better. They are the new 90s. This is why all these euros are dominating the game over us born players. every single one of them.
@@hainavidotcom mostly agree but Europeans are just catching up because novadays there are just more people that play this game on a high level outside the us
@@TheOneAndOnlyJinglebi they're better because of the rules and fundamental training. Nba doesn't focus on fundamental. They focus on AAU. Nba has gone down. They don't play at the same level.
I'ma former professional athlete that played basketball for the sonics in 2002. Trust me on this
bro ur so underated wtf, awesome analysis!
The “Psychopaths” took me out 😂
The part where you used true shooting for different superstars, it’s better to show relative true shooting. Also, saying Kobe’s stats are very similar to Jordan is somewhat not accurate; a 2% difference in TS% over a sample size of hundreds of games is huge, and just goes to explain how Jordan really perfected the fundamentals to be so efficient.
word. appreciate the feedback
MJ got a much bigger chunk of his points from inside of 8-feet than Kobe did thanks to his lethal first step, and leaping ability. MJ also didn't play for 20 seasons. 45% FG for a 20-year career, a perimeter player, and a guy who gets over half of his points from 10-feet or further from the basket is actually very efficient, especially for the lowest scoring era in NBA history, and that's with taking many tough shots at times. If you were an NBA coach, would you ever tell a defender to sag off against Kobe Bryant from anywhere on the court? Would you allow Kobe to get a clean look shooting the ball from any range? Would you rely on committing a single defender against Kobe? No, you wouldn't because Kobe was an all-time great shooter, and he was especially great at shooting through contact. Go and watch Kobe goat szn to see how great of a shooter he really was. He would make shots through contact, or off of movement, and draw fouls while getting the and-1s off of jump-shots consistently. In the occasion that Kobe got a clean look, or a single defender matched up with him, Kobe was money from any distance. Kobe also had the greatest pull-up jumper in NBA history. If Kobe wanted to shoot 50% FG for his career, he easily could have by reducing the amount of contested shots he took. Kobe did play a more controlled game at times, but when his team needed him to carry the scoring load, he would take more chances with more difficult looks, and creating his own shot more often, especially when the shot-clock was running down, his team was on a scoring drought, or when he needed to carry his team across the finish line late in games. During his most efficient seasons, he would hover around 46% to 48% FG, and that was when he had competent teammates around him, and he didn't have to take as many contested shots.
MJ had Pippen to play D, Kobe was MJ and Pippen in one so his efficiency is a little lower. First team all Defense while averaging 35 ppg is crazy and no MVP.
@@docallentv Kobe’s defensive peak was in 2000, after that lots of his all defense selections are more out of his reputation. Sure, he’s one of the best when he’s locked in, but he isn’t always in that mode
@@joshuachang5210 Cap he locked up A.I. in 2001 holding him to 0 points in an entire half.
Really well made and researched video easily earned a sub
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Got my sub 2 glad u showed the injuries his last years that's what held him back he was on pace 2 eclipse MJ but got 2 close 2 da sun. Even still he was right there with him
People akways try to leave Kobe off the lists by saying he wasn't efficient. Dude won three titles in a row with Shaq, and then built his team up instead of running somewhere else and won two more titles in a row without Shaq. You can say every player on the GOAT lists needed the other people to win titles because it is super rare for a team with just one star to win a title.
I agree Kobe won back to back with out a 75 player in a stack west with less help dident join a súper team Kobe the only player that three peat and back to back in the last 20 years
Kobe is a cult of personality. That is why his ranking fluctuates so much.
Love how far you came now, would love to see you work your magic on another Kobe video with the recent style!
I'll get to him eventually - appreciate you bro :)
1:42 Shaq was clearly the best player on their three-peat, Kobe would be the robin to the batman.
Except he wasn’t . Young Kobe and prime shaq were equals . Shaq had mismatches in finals where there were no good bigs it was apart of the strategy .
Bron would’ve been Robin too. Now what..
@ both young Jordan and young lebron couldn’t dominate the paint with a prime shaq in it . Kobe had the mid range from the jump
Kobe The Goat
Kobe was the MJ of my era. Being born in 1994 and I started seeing the NBA since 2004 …rip black mamba
one important thing to note about kobe is his lack of ANY advanced stat success. some say advanced stats aren't a perfect indicator of how good a player is as basketball. but its a pretty good one. my goat is michael jordan. in a 7 year stretch, he led the league in PER, VORP, BPM, and winshares. for 7 years straight. the next closest thing is lebron from 2009-2013. who happens to be my #2 all time. lebron from 2009-2013 also led the league in PER, VORP, BPM, and winshares. in total, jordan has led advanced stats 60 times in his career. lebron has led the league 43 times. other greats like duncan, shaq, magic, bird, kareem, wilt, russell, even modern ones like curry and durant have led the league dozens of times throughout their careers. theres just one player missing, and i think you know who it is. kobe.
kobe, not once in 20 years, led the league in a single advanced stat. out of all the "concensus top ten" players, kobe is the only player to have never done this. he is also the only player among the "top ten" that has a career negative defensive +/-. just some food for thought.
Didn't Hakeem led the league in advanced stat in 1994 or 1995?
Kobe played in the toughest era of all time against the greatest wing players of all time
Brilliant Video man 👍.
Kobe is in my Top 5 no question of Greatest Players of All Time - Top 5: MJ, Magic, Bird, Kareem and Kobe.
Kobe gets in my Best Starting 5 aswell - Starting 5: MJ, Pippen, Rodman, AI & Kobe.
thanks bro. but that all-time starting 5 is craaaazy
@Post2k69 cheers man and defo 😀👌
Fool. No way bird is top 5. Too many ppl better. And Kobe top 5 ? He’s not even top 10. You an oldhead lebron hater I can tell u had sum agaisnt him since the 2000s trust me ik
3 ball hog Guards and 2 Forwards as a Starting Lineup? That starting lineup gon get cooked ngl
Not putting Bron in your top 5 is just plain hating
Excellent video, ur channel is gonna explode soon. Agree with ur points, I feel like Kobe fans just don’t want to admit the bias, he is top 10 for sure tho
The media tries to take off Kobe’s credit
I don’t understand stand bro, first we were arguing whether Kobe was better than Jordan. Now he is “worse” than Lebron and then people don’t place him top 10 all time anymore. Social media is a joke, Kobe is top 5 all time, if u don’t think Kobe is not top 5 all time then that’s ur opinion but if don’t put Kobe in top 10 ATLEAST then u are straight up delusional. Kobe did not get carried by Shaq it has been proven Kobe could have easily gotten the 3 fmvps if the offense ran through Kobe.
No serious fan ever argued that Kobe was better than Jordan. Kobe scored less, on worse efficiency, played worse defence, won less championship, and won way less MVPs and finals MVPs.
I agree also Shaq put up those numbers becuase the East had weak center or were past there prime while Kobe had to guard three hall of famers Miller IA Kidd in those three finals
Kobe ranges from 6-8
That's where I have home too!
5-8 seems reasonable. There's an argument for him being better than Tim Duncan, Curry, and Shaq
@@skol1004 Of course he's better than Tim Ducan...
He's number 4 for me
Number 2 for me
Ya’ll are stupid to put Kareem, Magic and Bird not as 3, 4, 5.
You can make the claim for Wilt and Bill that they can be further out for the eras they played in, but the other 3 definitely deserve top 5 over everyone else as they are legends in a provable era.
Kareem was the Goat before Michael. Magic and Bird saved the NBA.
Would put Tim as no.7, Kobe at 6 though. If there’s anyone close to peeking into the top 5- it is Kobe.
Then Shaq at 8. Guy was so good his pure talents carried him to 4 championships with half the work drive of Kobe. At 9 is Curry, guy rightfully deserves his spot after revolutionising the game and building a dynasty prior to KD with no superstars and just all stars. 73-9 is an insane feat along with unanimous MVP.
regular people don't really talk about this
Yes we do
People often underate Kobe due to him playing during Lebron's time as well as his prime years not having the best team surrounding him.
I’m a ko fan but one guy say you can’t be top 10 if your not the best at your position ever and I kinda agree honestly
Wait but you only got 5 positions... so cant top 2 in their position make it top 10 all time?
@@tanevzzo404 a lot of greats over the years. Even the ones that aren’t talked about
@@CriticaLLout i know, i was talking about how this guy says someone said that if you cant be the best at your position then u cant be top 10 but if u have 5 positions and 5 best players how do you have 10 players for the top 10?
So Larry Bird and Shaq are not top 10?
wouldn't say kobe dominated his whole career he was averaging like 5 ppg in his first few years and shaq carried him to 3 titles in his prime. i love kobe but he wasent dominant going into the nba like mj bron kareem wilt magic or shaq. don't hate on me for saying this but kobe isn't top 10 he just isn't he has 1 MVP thats it there are guys who have more mvps [jokic, giannis,] who i am not saying are better but beat him in categories that they shouldn't. kobe was great and will always be. but just not top 10
'rest in peace mamba'
Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Bron, Bird, Dream, Shaq, Wilt, Duncan/Kobe & Russell for my top10
3 total MVPs (2 FMVP+1MVP)
TD got 5
Bird got 5
Magic got 6
Shaq got 4
Kareem got 8
MJ got 11
Wilt got 6
Bill got like 11
Bron got 8
Kobe's whole case is mamba mentality, all that bs. If we looking at career and not vibes, Kobe fans should be thankful he's top ten
Kobe fans hate lebron James. Trust me they do. He’s better. They say 5>4 rings but lebron has 4 fmvps and Kobe has 1.
@@nathanwhyte9048 Kobe got 2 but your point still stands
26 total NBA (All NBA + all NBA 1st)
Bron got 33
No one else has more.
@@codg3484 Its easy to pull up any accolade and compare who has more, I can use that to benefit Kobe more than you can use it against Kobe.
5 rings
2nd most all NBA
2nd most all NBA 1st team
2nd most all defense
1st most all defense
Same amount of FMVPS as Kareem
Same amount of MVPs as Shaq
Most pts/reb/ast by position
Be real
@@nathanwhyte9048 Kobe earned those rings, LeBron ran to get them.
I think more people have kobe top5 then don't. That's the issue. Those that don't argue against him harder as a result. His skills were top5. But that lack of team attitude in a team game hurt him. Jordan was the same, but he was SO good it didn't matter. For kobe it did matter.
1. Jordan
2. Kobe
3.Kareem
4.Magic&Larry
5. Russell
The thing that boggles my mind to this date is that there are other NBA greats who are in EVERYONE's the top 10, but have very similar careers/arguements as Kobe.... but Kobe gets overlooked :
1) Hakeem the dream - 2x NBA Champ, 2x FMVP, and is (argued by many) as the most skilled big man in history of the NBA.... Many ex-NBA players (like Jalen Rose, Pierce, Billups) allargue that Kobe was the MOST SKILLED nba player ever... Why does Hakeem get in the top 10 because of skill but Kobe doesnt?
2) Duncan has had a very similar career to Kobe: both 5x NBA Titles, both most defensive teams for their respective positions (Forward vs. Guard), had phenominal supporting casts.. And Kobe even dominates DUncna in head-to-head battles in the West Playoffs (out of 6 series, Kobe won 4 including 2 sweeps in 2002, and 2008). Why is Duncan in everyone's top 10 and Kobe is not in top 10? They should be ranked very close to each other.
3) The "inefficiency" fallacy.. Based on CAREER TRUE SHOOTING: Kobe shot better than other top 10 greats: Hakeem the Dream, Duncan, and Bill Russell. Kobe's career TS% is only 1% below MJ's at 55% vs 56%, respectively.
Kobe, in basically any arguement, should be in everyone's top 10. I think what perhaps hurts his arguement are the journalist based votes of "MVP" since Kobe only has 1... issue is that from 2002-2013, Kobe finished top 5 in MVP voting from in 12 out of 13 seasons... Only season he didn't finish top 5 in was due to Kobe's court battle.
Kobe was a very inefficient shooter that put his team in bad situations to lose games.
@@81superjay "very inefficient shooter"?
Kobe's true shooting % in his career is 55%.
TIm Duncan's is 55%
Michael Jordan is 56%
Hakeem The Dream's is 51%
Biull Russell is 47.1%
If Kobe is "inefficient".. then so is literally the 4 other GOAT's in the top 5.
Derek Fisher has more Championships, Kobe gets as much credit for the three- peat as Fisher does. Big shot shot Bob has more Championships than Kobe as well and he also got carried by Shaq!
Your channel is like a younger version of jimmy highroller, your gonna be just like him one day man.
much love bro
Only players that played with or against Kobe, can judge him. Because they have the experience to do so.
And did he need Shaq to win chips. Nope! and he proved it twice.
He's also has 12 all defensive team honors.
Yes more than MJ who had 9...
He had Gasol,Odom, Bynum, Ariza or Artest he didn't need Shaq
@@melvynsngltn27 None of those players are top 75 players...
@@chandlerreid4500 who cares top 75 is a BS narrative used by fanboys
Well their gonna be biased since they might be friends with him or know him personally
This is a crazy take brother. You did well in research
appreciate that homie
Bruh because of his passion alone I got Kobe Bryant in my top three ever since I was a kid. It was always Jordan Kobe and LeBron versing each other and who is better.
Another Kobe fan try to weasel out of Kobe WORST stats and intentionally not show them (we all know the "it was a defensive game guys" and "4th quarter tho" arguments). Another video going to ignore the FG and because Kobe is good at FT will just look at true shooting. Here are some FACTS about Kobe being "good" at the finals. Kobe was shooting BELOW 35 % FG in 12 out of his 37 games in the finals. You ask why he is called inefficient? This is why. Let's compare him to D Wade , Jordan and Lebron. D Wade shot below 35 % FG 3 times out of 29 games, MJ 3 times out of 35 games and LeBron 6 times out of 55 games. So JUST TO OPEN your Kobe fan eyes, I will summarize those numbers. Kobe SHOT BELOW 35 % FG in 12/37 (which is 32.4 % of all his games) while MJ, Lebron and Wade COMBINED shot below 35 % in 12 / 119 (10 % of their games). So Kobe alone had equal number of inefficient games at the finals compared to all the other 3 players combined while playing 3 times less games. But as a true "unbiased" Kobe fan you will ignore this and quickly mention some 4th quarter bull**** to paint the picture that somehow Kobe was amazing at the finals.
And now let's go to True Shooting at the finals.
Who had the most games with less than 45 % TS. MJ just had 1 / 35. Wade had 6/29 , LeBron had 7/55 (all 3 combine to 14) and Kobe had 11 !!!!! /37. Even if you try to escape to the TS it simply won't save your narrative how great Kobe was at the finals.
So to answer your question - YES, Kobe is top 10 but he is out of top 5. And it is not even debatable. I would rank him somewhere between 7 and 10.
Cherrypicked stats without context are called narratives. Kobe played in a tough defensive era, was given the most defensive pressure out of anyone in NBA history during his last 3 finals, could affect the game outside of scoring and was injured during most of his finals runs.
@@d3adyoutubeaccount what if I show you the FG of other guards who literally played in Kobe era ??? What if Kobe FG is the worst among them? Will you have enough context? What would be the excuse then? Kobe just is bad in the finals (for an all time great). Facts. You can find excuses all day long . The facts will remain the same. Just for the record, Shaq played in 6 finals, in 3 of them he played Vs literally the 3 best defensive centers of all time: Hakeem, Mutombo, Wallace. Shaq is the player with the highest FG among all centers in the finals despite playing Vs those 3 great defenders. And Kobe...he needs more excuses.
@@MANDMK FG% does not measure efficiency LOL, TS% does. Name other guards in that era who averaged as much as Kobe on good efficiency
@@MANDMK And Kobe faced Mutombo, Garnett and Wallace’s help defense alongside great perimeter defenders like Jason Kidd, Tony Allen, Tayshaun Prince and Rajon Rondo. He had to go through more defensively
@@MANDMK Kobe finals MVP stats: 30 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists on 53% TS (+4.8)
Kobe Non-FMVP stats (where he actually played): 26 points, 7 rebounds, 6 assists on 55% TS (+7.2)
LeBron James finals stats: 28 points, 10 rebounds, 8 assists on 56% TS (-1.6)
Is LeBron not an all time great?
He's top 10 player of all time
My opinion: What hurts Kobe is the losing seasons without Shaq.
Great vid man, I just can't put Kobe on my top 10 just because of his "Mentality". He's for sure my favorite player tho.
thanks bro.
He is def top 2-5. I'm going with my personal view of him and mainly WHAT HIS PEERS THINKS OF HIS STANDINGS.
Kobes,peers, spoken this way before he'd passed, so let's not use the sympathy angle here to why they'll say he's top 2-5.
Cap. He’s not a top 10 player
@@nathanwhyte9048 you must be some kind of slow. His peers n those with great vision says the same thing.
If u don't like him.. fine but don't lie on him. I don't like Bron but he's def top 6-10.
The disrespect of this man has to stop. An out top 10 player gotten all the cameras at his final tour is unheard of.
why is this even a debate?
Dont worry... on my list is MJ first and Kobe second :) KObe wouldnt be KObe without Mj but thats true for every dominant player after Mj :)
you're spittin facts homie (other than kobe being top 2 all time)
Kobe is top 5 stop being disrespectful people who say kobe is not top 5
Why is hating on Lebron a go to thing? How come Kobe is always being defended
Kobe is top 2
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1 Jordan
2LBJ
3Kareem
4 Magic
5Kobe
6 Shaq
7Larry Bird
8 Wilt
9 Tim Duncan
10 Hakeem
Kobe vs anyone was going to bring it simply because he was going to push harder. For me, I'd put him at 2.
Why isn't Kobe considered a top 5 player of all time despite his incredible career?
Kobe Bryant is often included in discussions about the greatest basketball players of all time, but opinions on his placement within the top five can vary based on several factors:
Championships and Legacy: While Kobe won five NBA championships and was a key player in those successes, some argue that players like Michael Jordan (6 titles), LeBron James (4 titles and counting), and Bill Russell (11 titles) had more significant impacts on their teams' successes. The perception of a player's legacy is often tied to championships won.
Efficiency and Stats: Critics often point to Kobe's shooting efficiency. His career field goal percentage is around 44.7%, which is lower than many other top players. This can lead to debates about his scoring style and whether it was as effective as it could have been.
Era of Play: Kobe played in an era with significant competition, but some argue that players like Jordan and LeBron faced different challenges and had different impacts on the game. The evolution of the game, including changes in rules and playing styles, can also affect how players are evaluated across eras.
Team Dynamics: Kobe’s career included periods of both individual brilliance and team success. His relationship with teammates and coaches, particularly during his early career, has been scrutinized. Some believe that players like Magic Johnson and Larry Bird had more transformative impacts on their teams.
Subjectivity of Rankings: Personal biases and preferences play a significant role in how players are ranked. Fans often have different criteria for greatness, leading to varied opinions on who deserves a spot in the top five.
Comparative Greatness: When comparing Kobe to other all-time greats, some players are often viewed as having more versatile skill sets or greater influence on the game. For example, the all-around skills of players like Magic Johnson or the dominance of Shaquille O'Neal can overshadow Kobe in certain discussions.
In summary, while Kobe Bryant is undoubtedly one of the greatest players in NBA history, the combination of championship success, individual efficiency, and the subjective nature of greatness can lead to disagreements about his placement in the top five
There are measures by which Kobe is Top 5 all-time. If you wanted to argue that Kobe is Top 5 in “Most Influential NBA Player Ever” I think there’s a strong argument. If we’re talking “Most Winning Players Since 1970 Who Scored a Ton of Points” then he’s definitely in that group. If we’re talking “Players Most Evocative of the Jordan Standard (wings with two-way impact who scored first and distributed second (but well) and were compulsive about taking the last shot no matter how difficult)” then Kobe’s definitely in that category
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Based on the facts, the answer would have to be some combination of disrespect, bias, and ignorance.
Winning is the point of the game.
When a player has only 2 seasons out of 20 with a Super Team (the ‘04 season with prime Shaq/Kobe, 40-year-old Karl Malone & 35-year-old Gary Payton, and the disastrous ‘13 season with 3 different coaches, 2 very old stars - Kobe & Nash - and a maelstrom of injuries and internal strife - to say nothing of the deleterious presence of 1-season-in-LAL-and-done, King Knucklehead Dwight Howard, a guy who even got Nicest Guy in the World Steve Nash to excoriate him on the court for being a very dumb, bad player, to say nothing of the wrath he incurred from Kobe Bryant) and plays in arguably the toughest conference in NBA history (‘00-‘10 Western Conference) and still manages to go 7-0 in the Western Conference Finals and 5-2 in the Finals, this matters.
A lot.
There seems to be an excessive penalty put on Kobe’s years with Shaq. An ignorant sort of, “Kobe just rode Shaq’s coattails” type of thing.
Untrue and unfair.
Shaq was the #1 guy ‘00-‘04 (although ‘03 & ‘04 was very close). Everybody knows that.
However, for 4 of those 5 years (‘01-‘04, when Kobe was ages 22-25), combining regular season and playoff stats, Shaq and Kobe both averaged 27 PPG Shaq was the better scorer with a +12.5 advantage in FG%, but the volume was equal. In fact, because Kobe was more healthy and available, he scored 824 more total points during that span.
During that 4-year span, while averaging equal PPG to Shaq and scoring more total points than Shaq, Kobe was also
a) LAL’s best ball-handler/facilitator,
b) LAL’s most decorated, most versatile, most fundamentally sound defender (All Defense every year, 1st Team in ‘03 & ‘04),
c). LAL’s best perimeter scorer (by a gigantic margin),
d) LAL’s best crunchtime closer, and,
e) LAL’s best FT-shooter (84% on 8 ATT/G and a 30% advantage over Shaq)
Of course, he also, at age 21, after missing most of Game 2 and all of Game 3 with “the worst sprained ankle of my career” (his words) came back in Game 4 and made 3 HUGE clutch plays in overtime with Shaq fouled out to put LAL up 3-2 in the ‘00 Finals.
Given the facts, diminishing Kobe’s contributions to the early-‘00s Lakers on both ends of the court is a fool’s errand.
With Shaq and role players, Kobe won 12 straight playoff series for 3 straight championships against 12 teams with an average of 54 wins apiece.
In ‘01, at age 22, Kobe’s 1st Rd opponent had 50 wins.
2nd Rd: 55 wins.
CF: 58 wins.
Finals: 56 wins.
Essentially, it is a playoff schedule against four 55-win teams.
Kobe averaged in that 16-game playoff run:
29.5 PPG, 47 FG%, 32.5 3PT%, 82 FT% on 9.5 ATT/G.
7 RPG, 6 APG, 1.6 SPG, and 0.8 BPG.
In his 69 straight playoff games from ‘01-‘04, Kobe averaged:
27.5 PPG, 43.5 FG%, 33 3PT%, 80.5 FT% on 8 ATT/G.
6 RPG, 5 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.5 BPG
With Shaq, Kobe, any role players, LAL averaged 100 G/year for 5 straight years and won 70% of them.
They won 12 straight playoff series against 12 teams with an average of 54 wins apiece for a 3-peat.
Jordan’s ‘91-‘93 3-peat came against 12 teams with an average of 51 wins, and the Shaq/Kobe Lakers never had a #3 guy as good as ‘91-‘93 Horace Grant.
The degree-of-difficulty in that early-‘00s playoff schedule, plus the fact that, while having the ultimate Dynamic Duo, it was only role players 3-8 constitutes a truly all-time-high playoff-degree-of-difficulty Kobe had.
With Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom (Odom is in the ‘Horace Grant strata’ - too good to be a ‘role player’ and not great enough to be a ‘star’ - and no one would say Gasol was as great as, say, McHale, Worthy, or Pippen) Kobe won 70% of his games for 5 straight years ‘08-‘12.
3 straight NBA Finals appearances, back-to-back Championships. 11 playoff series wins against 11 teams with an average of 53 wins apiece.
Finally, throwing in the ‘04 Western Conference Championship season (the only season in Kobe’s career with a Super Team - I suppose a 40-year-old Karl Malone + 35-year-old Gary Payton equals about 1 Superstar 😉), Kobe’s 7 NBA-Finals-reaching seasons, ultimately with a Finals record of 5-2, consisted of 26 playoff series victories against 26 teams averaging 53 wins apiece.
Historically, elite winning. Not just in terms of raw numbers but also after putting under the scrutiny of contextualization.
High degree-of-difficulty winning - both in terms of having almost 0 deep, loaded Super Teams over his career and having a consistently deep, tough playoff Strength of Schedule.
This matters. A lot.
When Kobe Bryant averages 28 PPG for 14 years (‘00-‘13) and makes 12 All-Defensive Teams along the way, he is a two-way player historically comparable only to Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and Michael Jordan. It is common to hear people cast doubts on that 12x number of Kobe’s, All-Defense-wise. “He didn’t deserve several of those,” they say.
Even if we apply an “Overrated Penalty” to that number, reducing it to as few as 8x or even 7x, the fact remains: an 8x or 7x All-Defensive Team selection who simultaneously averages 28 PPG for 14 years, shooting 84% from the foul line on 8 ATT/G and averaging 5 APG is one of the 4 greatest two-way players in history.
Ultimately, a 14-year run (‘00-‘13, ages 21-34) of:
28 PPG on 45.5 FG%, 33.5 3PT%, 84 FT%.
5.5 RPG, 5 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.5 BPG, 12x All-Defense.
The quality of winning record, the flawless fundamentals, the top-4 all-time 2-way player status, and his elite intangibles (mental toughness, killer instinct, clutch dependability, basketball intelligence - the fact that the vast majority Kobe’s/Lebron’s peers choose Kobe over Lebron) makes Kobe an absolute shoe-in for Top 5 All-Time
Kobe's all-time ranking is so varied because most of the people who are judging his career didn't actually watch him play. After Kobe won his 5th championship, the conversation was about Kobe being a legitimate threat to MJ's GOAT status. That was the realistic conversation back in 2010-2013. Once Lebron won his first championship, and Kobe got hurt, the media started trying to devalue Kobe's legacy, and they somewhat succeeded on a shallow level with the younger generation of fans who started watching basketball towards the end of Kobe's career, or after Kobe had retired. There was a time when there was no question about Kobe's greatness, but Lemedia with their Legenda has went out of their way to reduce Kobe to the level of guys like Lebron, Steph Curry, or KD. Kobe was always beyond any of those guys in skill level, ability, talent, and championship pedigree. In a league with guys like Duncan, Dirk, Lebron, Shaq, Iverson, Kidd, Carmello, Wade, and so many others, Kobe was far beyond any of them, and they all knew it.
You are so right, bro. There trying to erase kobe's history
I watched Kobe's entire career, i was a few years out of high school when he was drafted. Kobe is not a top ten player all time and he shouldn't be anywhere near the GOAT conversation.
0:18 Allen Iverson said that Kobe is his 2nd greatest all time
It’s the inefficiency
He was efficient compared to the league and other volume scorers, but not compared to other all-time greats
KD may love Kobe but he is a much better scorer than Kobe ever was, and that’s undeniable, there is literally no case to be made for Kobe in that comparison.
If Kobe is primarily a ball-dominant scorer and KD (who is in nobody’s Top 5) is a better scorer than him, how does that work?
Kobe made a lot of tough midrange shots, but this is not optimal scoring. I believe people confuse the amazing style & aesthetics of Kobe’s game for superior skill and value.
I say this as someone who loves nothing more than watching players with an amazing midrange game, Kobe and Melo among them.
KDs not there because of accolades.
KD isn't in top 5 because he's a loser.
The only time he won was when he joined the team that beat him.
Nobody respects that.
He’s not top 5, he’s top 3 and if you say otherwise you jus not a hooper and it’s as simple as that 🤷🏾♂️
I guess I'm not a hooper 🤷🏾♂️
@@Post2k69 not at all 🫱🏾🫲🏽
Couch potato calling others not hoopers.
@@20_foot_burmese_pyth0n sure thing 20 ft Burmese python 🐍
I got him at #6
My thing is… whatever you value in players.. Kobe is easily top 10. Skill, peak, prime, accolades, championship, stats. I have him top 5. If ppl don’t that’s fine. But when ppl say “he has no case for top 5” that’s when ik they’re being biased. He’s top 10 easily and has a case for top 5
This some high roller shit good stuff
thanks bro
Kobe should be, no discussion, top 5 minimum. People like to discount him because 2002 on he had a feud with media fav Shaq. Then, around the Colorado incident, he stopped being friendly with the media which all hurt his media voted accolades (like mvp trophies).
He played his first 7 years with Shaq, which despite being a larger part of the offense over there 2000-2004 contending years (1ppg less than Shaq but more Ast/gm), Kobe was unfairly viewed as a second option.
His cumulative stats on paper don't look as nice due to coming off the bench his 1st 2 seasons and being injured for his last 3, plus playing in the dead ball era. If you look at his prime years from 2000-2013, he was the highest scoring player in both ppg and total points. But looking at a start sheet, people see 26ppg on 44% fg with no context and aren't impressed.
I have said for years that Kobe, more than any other top 5 player needs context. Yes, on a start sheet, he seems like a 5-10 all time player. But you need the context. Kobe authored 3 of the 5 runs to the NBA finals where a team faced 50+ win opponents in every round (2001, 2008. 2010). Kobe was the only player to win consecutive championships with no other top 75 player on the roster (09 & 10). Kobe scored 81 points in a year when teams scored 95 points on average. Kobe was All NBA and All NBA defense 1st or 2nd team every year of his prime. Kobe played in, arguably, the toughest decade long division in the history of the NBA and still won half of the championships. This is not to take away from other players, but people like to disrespect Kobe and it's usually based on personal hate or ignorance. He was the definition of win at all costs (for those who think he padded stats, I'll remind you that Kobe pulled himself from a 62pt through 3 quarters game where HE was out-scoring an NBA finals team because "he'll do it when they need it." and his team didn't need more scoring that night). The man is a legend and easily a top 5 player.
Also, personally, to be considered in the GOAT convo you need to have been the best player of your era (generally a decade). So, in the convo for me is Russel (60's), Kareem (70's), Magic/Bird (80's and my one exception since they are generally considered about =), Jordan (90's), Kobe (00's), LeBron (10's). If you were second best in your own era, there's no debate for me.
Put him and Shaq tied at 7.
YES
Kobe is 2nd (along with Larry Bird), behind only MJ.
The media needed to make room for Lebronze, whose ass Kobe totally owned.
Me when Lebron is 16-6 against kobe ☠☠
@@idektbh18 Lebronze without Kobe: 2 bronze olympic medals. With Kobe saving his ass (after making him his bitch in the training...), he finally got a gold.
Most insane take ever hahahahhha
@@idektbh18 Me when Lebron has 4 fmvps to kobes 2
@@ReallyJTT Not to mention 4 MVPs to 1
He's in the top 8-11 range. His passing moved him up higher for many. 1 regular season, MVP regardless of circumstances removes him from the top 5 conversation. Hes not even the best player in his era. This belongs to Duncan, who some don't have in their top 5. Which is crazy
Accept I just a video from 2010-11 season of a panel discussing if he had passed MJ as the GOAT they all said not yet but he right there with him his legacy has been under attack since he retired/died seems Kobe gets worse and worse every year
Duncan is not the best player of their era it was Kobe. Duncan isn’t the conversation for top 5 because he’s not better than Kobe, Jordan, Bird Wilt, Magic, and others.
@tylercanton3836 if you believe so. Duncan just was consistent, not flashy. He won every year. Never less than 50 wins in a full 82 game season. 3 FMVP, 2 Regular season MVPs, 15 all defense teams. For me it' was his era, but eh..
@@davis2k1234 or he gets more praises since he passed
@ The problem with that is Kobe owned Duncan/Spurs in the playoffs 4-2 head to head
So Kobe shot worse than wade by quite a bit but that means he’s not an inefficient shot chucked. Also saying Kobe was taking more longer and contested shots doesn’t help him because he wasn’t making them so he is shot chucking
He’s probably top 5 but definitely for sure not top 3
For modern NBA. I got MJ Kobe Steph then Lebron.
Add Shaq or Durant and that is an actual list of 5 greatest players.
Kobe is top 10. Kobe is probably #6
15:22 he is easily top 5 in my top 3
magic easily top 3 player of all time
Kobe is top 5, or top 3 depending on who you ask. There is no way he isn't top 5. They can deny it all they want, but there aren't 5 guys in NBA history who were better than Kobe. Not Lebron, not Duncan, not Shaq, not Hakeem, not Bird, and not Magic. Outside of MJ, the only other guys I would even consider putting ahead of Kobe would be maybe Kareem, and Wilt. That's it!! Everyone else doesn't hold a candle to Kobe Bryant.
Top 11-15
Kobe us my goat but I respect other opinions
He's not better than MJ, Bird, Magic, Kareem, Duncan, Hakeem, Russell, Chamberlain, ShaQ or Bron.
Consider this factoid: When Bron, Larry, ShaQ, MJ, Magic etc,. come to your team, your guaranteed to make the playoffs.
Every one of the players that I listed would take Smush Parker & Kwame Brown to the PLAYOFFS!!!
Without DOMINANT players[And Phil Jackson] he can't make the playoffs.
The Blown 4-Peat against Detroit {Jacking up shots & not dumping it to ShaQ, going away from the 🔼 tryin to be like MJ} the blowout chip game 6 against Boston when he didn't show up!
He's top 12-18 with Isaiah, Moses, The Big-O, Dr.J, Jerry West.
Kobe is top 10 at least! Come on dawg
I think it's _because_ he was so similar to Jordan. He wasn't mold-breaking, wasn't one-of-a-kind like others were, so he's seen as the second best MJ
He was def mold breaking
@amenx I disagree. He was phenomenal but definitely in the mold of MJ. A 6'6" sg bulk scorer/high flyer
@ He borrowed from those before him like every player does but he shot more jump shots had better handles shot from further out and advanced the art of footwork
in my personal top 10 list i also take the consideration of how the player has affected my life or how inspiring he has been for me. kobe has been someone i've looked up to for years and that's one of my strongest reasons to keep him at 2nd in my top 10
Kobe is the 19th best player of all time. All stats and eye test point to this spot specifically.
Why do you say Kobe is just Top 19?
I need what u smoking😂
he is top4
Shotjacking, gave up in Game 7 vs the Suns in the semis, and couldn’t get to the playoffs without Phil Jackson. That’s why.
Not a shot jacker, efficient for his era with the most assists by position too.
Did not give up in game 7 vs Sun (24 points on 66% shooting)
Made playoffs without Phil Jackson
So you criticize Kobe for taking less efficient shots then you criticize him for taking more efficient shots, then you lie?
my unranked top 5
mj, kb, ai, td, and the guy who had a kidney transplant and come back to play nba
Who was that Reggie Lewis?
He 's top 5 without a doubt.
1-MJ
2-Bill Russel
3-Kareem
4-Magic
5-Kobe
LeBron can't be top 5 when he has a negative record in the finals.
what kobe is 5-2 and Kareem is 5-3 wtf
Kobe can't be top 5 if he wasn't even the best player for majority of his chips.
I have him at 6 I don’t think that’s bad
I give him top 5-9
I’ve got Kobe locked in at 4. Lebron is at 6.
Maybe maybe not; opinions vary!
Lol, come on. That's nit even a question. For me it's not even a wuestion if he is top 5 player of all time. Top 5 spot is automatic for him. People just look at his career averages without understanding the context of these numbers. When Kobe was rookie, Lakers already had multiple all stars on the court and first 2 years he was coming off the bench and played very few minutes per game and averahing around 8-10 points per game. And of course, last 2 seasons he wasn't even 30% the player that he was before after toring his achillies, his prime was over in 2013 and he was never the same. If he take away all those seasons, he still had another 15 seasons and btw those are still more seasons than Larry Bird and Magic soo he has played much longer than them. In those 15 season Kobe is actually averaging above 27,5 points per game, that's literally Kobe Bryant, those are stats that we should consider about him because everyone who knows basketball would tell you that Kobe is one of the top 3 greatest scorers of all time. 2nd... The reason why he hasn't 2 or even 3 MVPs in his career is because he is the only top 10 player eho spent prime of his career with terrible supoorting cast. Kobe had insanee stats in both 2006 and 2007, but he didn't win MVP those seasons because Lakers were too famn trash. I see hoe people are critisizing Nuggets right now and yeah, they are bad, Jokic is pulling a miravke right now, but guess what??? They have at least Westbrook who had 29 points last game and Porter eho had like 24 points and their bench isn't soo trash like Lakers's bench in late 2000s. Literally from 2005 to 2007 that Lakers team was even weaker, even worse than these Nuggets, you could also fream some of those players to have 25+ point game... It was all about Kobe on offense AAND defense too. Soo I don't wamt to hear someone telling ne that Larry Bird and Magic are greater players than him because with all due respect to both of these legends... No, it's not even that close when you look at the proper context. Kobe has made 12 defensive teams in his career, 9 of them were first defensive teams, Kobe in his 15 "healthy" seasons averages 3 more points than Larry Bird and his rebounding and passing numbers are also all above 5 soo yeah, you can definitely argue that Larry is greater passer than Kobe, but offensively as a whole package... No, Kobe is bigger killer than Bird. Bird never ever won scoring title in his career, Bird never even averaged 30 points per game, Kobe averaged 30 points per game 3 seasons and he even averaged 35,4 points in one of the best defensive seasons of all time, he won 2 scoring titles and he has much better longevity than Bird. Everyone is comparing Kobe's "real stats per game" against Magic and Larry, but nobody talks about the fact that Kobe played much longer on a high level than both of them, nobody is talking about his longevity and all other things that matter. I can go further and further, but it would be too much for one comment. Anyway, Kobe is for ke clearly better than Magic and Bird. And not just him, I can even argue that Tim Duncan is better than these 2 guys.
heres my list, mj and bron 1 and 2 in no order.
3. kareem
4 and 5 would have to be kobe or tim duncan.
but leaving magic out? its rough. magic if he didn’t get aids would might have been known as top 3 minimum.
Becoz Kobe is Top 2
😂overrated ash
I know Kobe had Shaq for the first 3, and that Pao was a great player, but he wasn't a superstar. Shaq had a Kobe, but Kobe didn't have a Shaq, or any other superstar. Plus, he had to beat the stacked Celtic one of those years. A super team. I also didn't hear anything about defense in the analysis. Love your channel though. It's top 5 no question!
HES NUMBER 1
No question
KOBE is TOP TEN....LeBron is NOT
Both are top 10. Arguably top 5
Kobe fans b1+ch1ng about Brob in a Kobe video is pathetic.
Name the 10 you are putting ahead of lebron
I can tell you in one word... efficiency, of all the GOAT candidates, Kobe is the least efficient, and he is my all time favorite, but MJ, Kareem, Wilt, LeBron, Russell, Magic, Duncan, Shaq, Bird, Hakeem, KD, Steph, all get him on efficiency
Lebron n Steph are not in this they play in the Barbie era bron couldn't win till all the greats basically got 2 old n he jus steamrolled ppl. Not very impressive if u ask me. Ain't got nothing against any of the others u mentioned except of course the bigs are gonna have better efficiency they barely shot the ball everything was in the paint they had 2 earn it tho. MJ n Kobe both top of the pyramid love old skool ball
lol at kobe being least efficient when bill russell, a center, for his career had only 44% fg..😂
@@relicdad88stop b1+ch1ng bro. You're crying already.
Disrespectful question. MJ is 1. Kobe is 2 then everyone else. I have Lebron top 15
yes
Mj 1Kobe Top 2
Your smoking Crack
Hot take🔥: curry is top five😮
not top 5. It is crazy that you got guys like AI T Mac shaq kyrie Curry kd himself having kobe number 2
Kobe faced 12 50-win teams from 08 to 2010 playoffs. That's more than what lebron faced his entire playoff career. Kobe touched the finals 3 times straight without shaq and averaged 30 pts 5.5 rebounds 5.5 Assists 47% shooting. case closed only Player in nba history to have 600 points in 3 year playoff span
In kobes, 5 championship runs. 85% of the teams he faced were 50 win teams, and now let's see some other players
Mj:67%
Lebron:50%
Kareem:43%
Magic:50%
Bill:50%
Larry:55%
Tim:65%
Big o:0%
Kobe scored the most points in a single decade in nba history and that decade was the lowest scoring decade in nba history kobe in 2001 nba playoffs against tim duncan kobe was easily the best player on the floor averaging 33 7 rebounds 7 Assists 1.5 steals 51.4% fgs at 22 years old this was better then any of currys nba playoffs and sure shaq and duncan were really good but in that series kobe was the best
Kobe in his prime, averaged 40 for a whole month 3 times 2 in 2006 January where he averaged 43.4ppg 5.5rb 4.1 ast 62.1TS-JAN and 2006 march where he averaged 41.6 5.5rb 3.6ast 62.1TS 2 scroing titles in a row dropped 81 in 06 and 65 in 07 dropped 50 in a playoff game most game winners 2006 2007 averaged 35.4 5 Rebounds and 4 Assist in 2006 and averaged 31 5 and 5 in 07 and in 2007 he had 4 games where he had 50 or more points which has only been done since wlit Multiple 50 60 point games in 07 06 won all star game mvp in 07 where he had 31 6 Assists and 6 steals
27.0 5.4 5.0 1.5 2009 to 2010 NBA Champion
Finals MVP
scoring leader
All-NBA 1st Team
Fourth in scoring
All star game mvp
1st team all defense
2008-09 First 26.8 5.2 4.9 1.5 NBA Champion
Finals MVP
61 points in NY (record for the
Madison Square Garden)
All-NBA 1st Team
Third in scoring
1st team all defense
2007-08 First 28.3 6.3 5.4 1.8 Season MVP
All-NBA 1st Team
Second in scoring
1st Team all defense
2006-07 First 31.6 5.7 5.4 1.4 Scoring Champion
All-NBA 1st Team
All-Star Game MV
10 50-plus point games
All star game mvp
1st team al defense
2005-06 First 35.4 5.3 4.5 1.8 Scoring Champion
All-NBA 1st Team
81 points in one game
5 or more 50 60 point games
1st Team all defense
He sits third on the list of NBA all-time scoring leaders, having amassed 33,643 points across his 20-season career. His most prolific season came in 2005-2006, when he scored an average of 35.4 regular season points per game across 80 games for the LA Lakers.
#3 for me...
He’s top 5 not top 3 tho
that's crazy
He’s 15-13
Kobe is a great player. One of the greatest. However we cannot over look the fact that he was the second greatest player on his own team for 8 years. No other “greatest” has that luxury.
He wasn’t the second best on his team they were a duo hater
@ lm not a hater. Kobe is one of my top 15 all time. But to say he wasn’t 2nd best on his own team is ridiculous. Look at the stats. Tell me what years did he play with Shaq where he was equal to Shaq. Kobe blossomed when Shaq was gone but Shaq casts a BIG shadow and Kobe was in it.
@ U can’t win without a closer. U didn’t watch the games at all. Shaq didn’t win anything til he got Kobe.
Era is the reason why some players are where they are LBJ shouldn’t be in anyone’s top 10 he has played in the weakest era’s most inflated era ridiculously low win percentage in playoffs his inability or none desire to play defense except for the occasional defense highlight play all throughout his career he has been a tool to get more people to watch the NBA and I quote the next MJ when he has failed at every single level along with many other players in this era who have the same issues with their careers
Another cuck b1+ch1ng about Bron in a Kobe video.
He’s number 2 by 4 sure!
Nice analysis, but some advanced stats without context are not worth a penny. E.g. comparing LBJ and Kobe with clutch shots in the finals in my opinion are pointless - Kobe on arguably half of his finals wasn't the best player on the team, so it was much easier to score for him. In the meantime, LeBron often did not have any help like in the ridiculous 2007 or 2018 finals...
And one more thing: it's easy to put Kobe in the top 10, the real struggle is who would land outside of it :)
Fingers crossed for upcoming videos, great content!
true. there’s so much more that goes into it than just stats, but they’re the closest thing to evaluating a player
It was easier for him to score because He wasn't the best player. What are you talking about?
Shaq dominated the finals but kobe led them there look at those stats
@@jesuscervantes2151 Shaq won all 3 FMVP which means he was the best player in those series.
@@michakisiel1635Yes, for that series but who was the best player in the Western conference that year? That was a more competitive a competitive series at that went 7 games, who led the comeback in game 7 when they were down 15 in the fourth quarter. Everybody knew who ever won that game was gonna win the championship