I have the same HD LiveWire you have. This is definitely the video I was waiting for lol. I'm still conflicted. Waiting for my local dealer to have a demo day as well.
@@AdventuresonZero I have. The closest one to me is about 2 hours away near Philadelphia, but I was planning on heading to Philadelphia the next week. Just one week off lol. My local Harley dealer is Empire Harley Davidson and I haven’t seen any demo days from them just yet.
This has got to be the best video on youtube. Probably because Im going to be doing a del mar test ride in a couple of days and you just made it even more excitibg!
@@AdventuresonZero Malibu. Theres a livewire dealership there and they only have one. Haven't put my reservation in yet but Im hoping my ride is like yours. Do you have a Livewire One? I thought that one was better and stronger, but you made it sound like the del mar was more fun? And I was serious about my comment, I loved your video. The other review videos dont give you the FEELING of what its like.
@@joedenny8853 ahh ok, the Malibu experience center. Yes I have two LiveWire Ones. They’re both fun to ride, however each gives a different experience. The LW1 is like a Cadillac - it’s smooth, sexy, and an all around great ride. The Del Mar is like a drop top at Daytona - it doesn’t do much, but what does do - is a s*** ton of fun 😆 I have lots of videos about the LW1 on my channel, here’s my review of it ruclips.net/video/iETp6m3wswQ/видео.html
70 miles range just isn't enough -- especially without fast charging. My typical loop is 80-100 miles of backroad/mountain road hooliganism. My ELW Livewire is perfect for that.
I still want to get some additional time with it, we both know riding behavior affects range - we just don’t know what that is yet 🤷♂️ it’s blast though!
I’m really digging this bike! I have a 45 mile one way commute but if I can charge this bike at work with a 120v, dude, I’m sold! I will be a first timer on a bike but I think I’d totally embrace the commute on this. Thanks for the video! Thanks also for just letting the feelings of the ride come to life!!
I got the reservation call yesterday. Looked at it today. Didn’t ride yet because I hate the sales process, but I may pull the trigger tomorrow after a ride. I have a shop 4 miles from home. City traffic. Charge at the shop as a business expense. I couldn’t build an ev bike for the same price.
Definitely thinking of shifting up to this beauty once it hits Paris, France in September. My current Zero FXE is a real blast and is in the sweet spot in all areas and weighs just 130kg! I'll have to see whether the Del Mar is agile enough though dense traffic, which unfortunately makes up most of my daily commute. Thanks for the content.
@TaxmanHog ... I don't know what it is with people who think putting their sneaker-clad foot down when going around corners. Somebody has been teaching them bad habits. In my part of the world, I've seen food delivery riders on scooters put their feet out. I'm still waiting for my beer to be delivered by these morons.
I've been looking into getting another Sportster (sold mine some years back) or getting the Livewire and your video sold me on the Del Mar. I just need to wait for my local Harley dealer to get one. Thanks for your fun review!
I get the bike is lighter therefore more nimble but, has the Charging got faster ? because the range has not , I feel charging time is still the biggest drawback to large scale take-up.
Compared to the LiveWire, no charging is not faster. This bike isn’t meant to be a direct competitor of the flagship LiveWire one or advance in charging tech speed (that I’m aware of). I think it’s a specific bike, for a specific rider, in a specific market. I don’t think they’re trying to get LiveWire one riders to buy this, but people that aren’t looking for bigger ranger and bigger price tag, and they just want to zip around they’re local area and have fun doing it. A city scrambler
@@AdventuresonZero So I picked it up yesterday and had to get back to my shop for a meeting. Rode on a mix of city/freeway for about 8 miles. Still shows 99 miles of range. Note it has a Del Mar S2 specific app. It kind of feels like a dirt bike or maybe a supermoto with the thin seat width. It is more comfortable riding because you sit a few inches back vs just sitting on it. I'm 6'1" and 240 lbs. Not a small guy. It handles hwy speeds fine, but it feels more at home in the city. I haven't ridden it in sport mode yet, but it is fast enough in street mode. I previously owned a liter bike (MV) that felt good at 100mph. This is a city dweller as designed. I have a business 4 miles from home so it is perfect for what I am looking for. The tech is cool. Over the air software updates etc. I look forward to finishing a job I'm in the middle of so I can go have some fun. So, I'll know more later, but I'm happy so far.
I guess it depends on who you are and what kind of ride you’re wanting to have. Motorcycles are just the tools to get us the experience we’re looking for. Some people never ride beyond the single charge range of the LiveWire, others do (like me). The Del Mar is much lighter than the LiveWire one, giving it such a responsive, agile, and quick feeling. So if you’re just looking for something incredibly fun, but can’t go far. - then the Del Mar is for you!
Do we reckon it’s newbie-worthy? Thinking of getting into biking since it’s so much more affordable than using a car, and like the idea I’m not polluting the lungs of small children in the process…
A lot to unpack there. I would say get your license first, rent or borrow a bike first and see if motorcycling is for you. There are trade offs to consider, like weather and gear. You could easily walk or ride a bicycle if you’re concerned about emissions. If you enjoy the rental/borrowed experience and can endure the elements where you’re at, I can say that yes it’s a great bike period, no matter your experience level
It certainly feels that way, however I think it’s weight and direct drive help make up for the smaller motor. Side by side on the line, I have no idea what would take the lead as both have a similar 0-60 time.
I think it has to do with where the measure that torque number. Just like how Tesla orginally quotes 10000nm of torque for the Plaid, I believe those did not include gear ratios, final drive, wheel size, etc. Might be something similar Livewire is doing to boost numbers. If it really did have that much torque, it should be significantly quicker than the Livewire One. Should be putting down acceleration times to 100mph similar to a H2 and other liter bikes.
So, did you manage to break it to your wife? Have you ordered the Del Mar yet? They still have no confirmation about the date it's actually going to hit the dealerships here in Paris. I'm pretty sure it's the bike for me and would almost order one sight unseen!
There are two things in this world that I hate: 1. Snakes. Can’t stand ‘em, think the world would be better without them. 2. Motorcycle weight comparisons represented in fractions. Get outta here with that trash, man. 🤣 I was off in the video, Del Mar is about 130lbs less than the LW1
Shouldn’t need level 3 on that little island right?? I thought it was only a few miles wide. 😜 kidding. It’s still a fun bike to ride, but it’s not for everyone.
I could buy a nice dual sport and SOOOOO much gas for 15k and never have to stop for an hour to charge it... I'd buy a Surron and mod it WAY before I'd buy this.. Shit, I could still buy another surron after I was done for 15k.. E-Motorcycle nerds are deluded lol... 430 lbs is NOT light... unless you've been riding baggers or touring bikes. CRF450 is 289 lbs wet... and doesn't need a 1.5 hour charge every 70 miles. And it's 5k cheaper.
It’s sad that you don’t know what one is. We’ll give you a hint though, it’s definitely not a glorified scooter. Lmao. You’ll never be accepted in the bike community on one of them and will most likely be laughed at. Just a heads up. But be safe and scoot away
This is the one I've been waiting on. I'm glad you got a chance to ride it and upload for us.
It’ll turn us all into hooligans
Have you seen the Verge EV motor bike from Finland ?
ruclips.net/video/Og9vlJRe2-M/видео.html
Looks pretty cool. I like that it has the L2 charging, so many more of those around and many of them free of charge in my area.
Same here, although it’s a healthy mix now of AC and DCFC.
Great video Ben! Thanks for coming out to test ride. One note at 0:50: the S2 Del Mar actually weighs 431 Ibs, not 460 lbs as you estimated.
Thanks for setting me straight! It was just a test…to see if you were paying attention. You passed!!
cool! big weight difference from my LW1. Even less than my R9T! Thats compelling
Yep! So odd going from the ELW to the Del Mar - like when you were a kid with the ankle weights and then ran after lol
What is the seat height of the Delmar?
@@eyangelosmixalopoulos2740 Laden: 30.9", Unladen: 32.2"
I have the same HD LiveWire you have. This is definitely the video I was waiting for lol. I'm still conflicted. Waiting for my local dealer to have a demo day as well.
Have you checked the demo tour page?
@@AdventuresonZero I have. The closest one to me is about 2 hours away near Philadelphia, but I was planning on heading to Philadelphia the next week. Just one week off lol. My local Harley dealer is Empire Harley Davidson and I haven’t seen any demo days from them just yet.
@@WeatherManAP well get cracking, I rode 500 miles yesterday just to demo it 😂 so worth it
This has got to be the best video on youtube. Probably because Im going to be doing a del mar test ride in a couple of days and you just made it even more excitibg!
Nice! It’s a blast. Where are you test riding at?
@@AdventuresonZero Malibu. Theres a livewire dealership there and they only have one. Haven't put my reservation in yet but Im hoping my ride is like yours. Do you have a Livewire One? I thought that one was better and stronger, but you made it sound like the del mar was more fun? And I was serious about my comment, I loved your video. The other review videos dont give you the FEELING of what its like.
@@joedenny8853 ahh ok, the Malibu experience center. Yes I have two LiveWire Ones. They’re both fun to ride, however each gives a different experience. The LW1 is like a Cadillac - it’s smooth, sexy, and an all around great ride. The Del Mar is like a drop top at Daytona - it doesn’t do much, but what does do - is a s*** ton of fun 😆 I have lots of videos about the LW1 on my channel, here’s my review of it ruclips.net/video/iETp6m3wswQ/видео.html
Man if this had DCFC I'd be alllll over it. It's the perfect lightweight hooligan bike!
I think it can be a great hooligan tool even without DCFC
70 miles range just isn't enough -- especially without fast charging. My typical loop is 80-100 miles of backroad/mountain road hooliganism. My ELW Livewire is perfect for that.
I still want to get some additional time with it, we both know riding behavior affects range - we just don’t know what that is yet 🤷♂️ it’s blast though!
I’m really digging this bike! I have a 45 mile one way commute but if I can charge this bike at work with a 120v, dude, I’m sold! I will be a first timer on a bike but I think I’d totally embrace the commute on this. Thanks for the video! Thanks also for just letting the feelings of the ride come to life!!
Hell yeah! It’s a really fun bike to ride. What color you going with?
@@AdventuresonZero I’m not sure what would be available but if I had a choice, black or gray (matte) 💪🏼
@@crisfalcon9534 yep, black matte is my choice
I got the reservation call yesterday. Looked at it today. Didn’t ride yet because I hate the sales process, but I may pull the trigger tomorrow after a ride. I have a shop 4 miles from home. City traffic. Charge at the shop as a business expense. I couldn’t build an ev bike for the same price.
Nice!
Definitely thinking of shifting up to this beauty once it hits Paris, France in September. My current Zero FXE is a real blast and is in the sweet spot in all areas and weighs just 130kg! I'll have to see whether the Del Mar is agile enough though dense traffic, which unfortunately makes up most of my daily commute. Thanks for the content.
It’s def zippy enough to weave in traffic! Thanks!
£19k in the UK, but only $15.4k (£12,200) in the US. So not fair
Should have been on this side of the revolution 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I seriously want one of these! My wife may not agree though.
It’s not our job to make everyone happy, Jonathan, but we can surely make them angry 🤣🤣🤣🤣
All these newbs need to keep the right foot on the peg fercripssake
😬😬😬😬
@TaxmanHog ... I don't know what it is with people who think putting their sneaker-clad foot down when going around corners. Somebody has been teaching them bad habits. In my part of the world, I've seen food delivery riders on scooters put their feet out. I'm still waiting for my beer to be delivered by these morons.
lol
Just Wait until next year for the ATV version
lol
Every time he accelerates he turns into Mario 😂
***loads blue shell
I've been looking into getting another Sportster (sold mine some years back) or getting the Livewire and your video sold me on the Del Mar. I just need to wait for my local Harley dealer to get one. Thanks for your fun review!
You don’t have to wait on the dealer, can be ordered thru the LiveWire website, depending on your location, could be delivered to your house
HD killed Alta on purpose to have market for them selves and take the technology .
🤷♂️
I get the bike is lighter therefore more nimble but, has the Charging got faster ? because the range has not , I feel charging time is still the biggest drawback to large scale take-up.
Compared to the LiveWire, no charging is not faster. This bike isn’t meant to be a direct competitor of the flagship LiveWire one or advance in charging tech speed (that I’m aware of). I think it’s a specific bike, for a specific rider, in a specific market. I don’t think they’re trying to get LiveWire one riders to buy this, but people that aren’t looking for bigger ranger and bigger price tag, and they just want to zip around they’re local area and have fun doing it. A city scrambler
10:50 “oh my god”. Looks fun.
Gets me every time
@@AdventuresonZero I picked mine up yesterday from Huntington Beach HD. Looking forward to my short commute
@@cbmecheng awesome! Thoughts so far??
@@AdventuresonZero So I picked it up yesterday and had to get back to my shop for a meeting. Rode on a mix of city/freeway for about 8 miles. Still shows 99 miles of range. Note it has a Del Mar S2 specific app. It kind of feels like a dirt bike or maybe a supermoto with the thin seat width. It is more comfortable riding because you sit a few inches back vs just sitting on it. I'm 6'1" and 240 lbs. Not a small guy. It handles hwy speeds fine, but it feels more at home in the city. I haven't ridden it in sport mode yet, but it is fast enough in street mode. I previously owned a liter bike (MV) that felt good at 100mph. This is a city dweller as designed. I have a business 4 miles from home so it is perfect for what I am looking for. The tech is cool. Over the air software updates etc. I look forward to finishing a job I'm in the middle of so I can go have some fun. So, I'll know more later, but I'm happy so far.
@@cbmecheng awesome! Thanks for the feedback. I have my VIN, just waiting for it to be shipped to a dealer for pick up
So, just to be clear… THIS S2 Del Mar over a LiveWire? I’m first time rider/ owner going all electric… and I’m TOTALLY cool saving 7K!
👍👍
I guess it depends on who you are and what kind of ride you’re wanting to have. Motorcycles are just the tools to get us the experience we’re looking for. Some people never ride beyond the single charge range of the LiveWire, others do (like me). The Del Mar is much lighter than the LiveWire one, giving it such a responsive, agile, and quick feeling. So if you’re just looking for something incredibly fun, but can’t go far. - then the Del Mar is for you!
@@AdventuresonZero Awesome. Love it. Have a couple HD dealerships close by… will see which has BOTH if I’m lucky.
@@erichof just head to www.livewire.com/events to see if a demo is coming near you (they drive around the country) before launch this summer
@@AdventuresonZero Oh. Yeah 7/1 7/2… West Chester, OH: BOTH bikes there!
Where can I get those gloves? Great VIdeo btw!
BMW Motorcycles Summer Gloves Light Grey
@@AdventuresonZeroThank you and thank you for your service!
You're welcome! Thanks for watching
Do we reckon it’s newbie-worthy? Thinking of getting into biking since it’s so much more affordable than using a car, and like the idea I’m not polluting the lungs of small children in the process…
A lot to unpack there. I would say get your license first, rent or borrow a bike first and see if motorcycling is for you. There are trade offs to consider, like weather and gear. You could easily walk or ride a bicycle if you’re concerned about emissions. If you enjoy the rental/borrowed experience and can endure the elements where you’re at, I can say that yes it’s a great bike period, no matter your experience level
Välkommen till Sverige.
Tack!
The LimeWire website reports the S2 torque is 184 FT-LB and LW One torque 84 FT-LB. Doesn’t seem possible? 🧐
Dunno 🤷♂️ I’m not an engineer. I think the lighter weight helps out?
@@AdventuresonZero Does it seem to have faster acceleration? Some if it is a direct drive difference?
It certainly feels that way, however I think it’s weight and direct drive help make up for the smaller motor. Side by side on the line, I have no idea what would take the lead as both have a similar 0-60 time.
I think it has to do with where the measure that torque number. Just like how Tesla orginally quotes 10000nm of torque for the Plaid, I believe those did not include gear ratios, final drive, wheel size, etc. Might be something similar Livewire is doing to boost numbers. If it really did have that much torque, it should be significantly quicker than the Livewire One. Should be putting down acceleration times to 100mph similar to a H2 and other liter bikes.
@@ayushmalpeddi2793 🤷♂️
That why I reserved one “for my wife” wink wink time for you to do the same?
I’m greasing the skids already
Would say the Del Mar would be suitable for someone 5'6
Maybe? Something to ask one of the Facebook groups, sure you’ll find someone close to that height with a DM
So, did you manage to break it to your wife? Have you ordered the Del Mar yet? They still have no confirmation about the date it's actually going to hit the dealerships here in Paris. I'm pretty sure it's the bike for me and would almost order one sight unseen!
Breaking it down to the wife is an on-going operation 🤣 I have one on pre-order still. It’s a really exciting bike to ride!
@@AdventuresonZero excellent 🤣 hopefully same on this side of the Atlantic soon
Take care!
Amazing 😂
🤜🏻🤛🏻
It weighs a little less than 4/5 what the LW1 weighs.
There are two things in this world that I hate: 1. Snakes. Can’t stand ‘em, think the world would be better without them. 2. Motorcycle weight comparisons represented in fractions. Get outta here with that trash, man. 🤣 I was off in the video, Del Mar is about 130lbs less than the LW1
$22k equivalent in the uk too expensive for me.
No fast charging level 3
Shouldn’t need level 3 on that little island right?? I thought it was only a few miles wide. 😜 kidding. It’s still a fun bike to ride, but it’s not for everyone.
I could buy a nice dual sport and SOOOOO much gas for 15k and never have to stop for an hour to charge it...
I'd buy a Surron and mod it WAY before I'd buy this.. Shit, I could still buy another surron after I was done for 15k..
E-Motorcycle nerds are deluded lol...
430 lbs is NOT light... unless you've been riding baggers or touring bikes. CRF450 is 289 lbs wet... and doesn't need a 1.5 hour charge every 70 miles. And it's 5k cheaper.
Yeah, good!
Have you ever rode a real motorcycle?
What’s a real motorcycle?
@@AdventuresonZero Not an electric one
@@Maryland_Motorcycle_Rides Ok. But what is a real motorcycle though?
It’s sad that you don’t know what one is. We’ll give you a hint though, it’s definitely not a glorified scooter. Lmao. You’ll never be accepted in the bike community on one of them and will most likely be laughed at. Just a heads up. But be safe and scoot away
So the question still remains - what is a motorcycle? If you know what one isn't, surely you can explain what one is.