Pelé and Diego Maradona beefed because there can only be one best soccer player ever

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  • Опубликовано: 26 авг 2022
  • They say sharing is caring, well, not sharing is beef. It doesn't rhyme, but it's still true. As proof I submit: Pelé and Maradona. They could not share GOAT status, and instead sniped at each other for decades. And actually, now that I think about it, sharing is kinda BS. It's never even. When Fifa tried to make these two legends share the title of Player of The Century, Fifa had an obvious favorite (Pelé). So in this case sharing lead to even more beef...
    You head it here first, sharing isn't caring, call the rhyming dictionary I've got a retraction.
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  • @terciosonic6767
    @terciosonic6767 Год назад +1540

    Started out as a mutual friendship, ended as a mutual friendship.
    What a wholesome beef between two legends!

    • @adamkane4217
      @adamkane4217 Год назад +33

      As spicy as this got, I love how wholesome it became at the end.

    • @drphot6050
      @drphot6050 Год назад +8

      Mutual Respect*

    • @liltiger3
      @liltiger3 Год назад +10

      I liked that a lot too. Two legends and they’ll go out with mutual respect and admiration for each other. RIP Maradona.

    • @David-iv6je
      @David-iv6je Год назад +2

      Prima Donna was a flaming ahole and Pele was a little cocky at times. Easy to pick the better guy.

    • @argentinevol6720
      @argentinevol6720 Год назад +3

      @@David-iv6je Maradona was a worse dude, but Pelé is also a bad person. The video glossed over some of Maradona’s worst attributes but it also glossed over Pelé’s awful stuff too. It made no mention of how Pelé treated his daughter, for example. Both came out of this video looking like better people than they really were. Pelé is a bad human being and Maradona was a very bad person. Both incredible players of course.

  • @yung_sirloin
    @yung_sirloin Год назад +1293

    "compare each other less and admire each other more"
    what a beautiful quote

    • @slyfox2022
      @slyfox2022 Год назад +4

      Tell that to Lebron fans

    • @lucaslonchampt613
      @lucaslonchampt613 Год назад +25

      @@slyfox2022 Tell that to sports fans period

    • @zkid001
      @zkid001 Год назад +17

      @@slyfox2022 thats funny, As a lebron fan i feel like this side is simply fighting for the “admire eachother more” aspect. reactionary defense to the lebron slander from nostalgics and constant MJ being thrown around while this is lebron’s era and he is still playing. If anything the appreciate eachother more is directed to the MJ crowd, Who try to diss lebron at every turn. The debate itself is pointless. Lebron fans dont bring it up bc they just appreciate watching him. It wouldnt be talked about if MJ fanatics didnt think he was in the conversation. Just appreciate lebron while he is still goin.

    • @purwantiallan5089
      @purwantiallan5089 Год назад

      @@lucaslonchampt613 because they love it.

    • @purwantiallan5089
      @purwantiallan5089 Год назад +1

      @@slyfox2022 and Curry and Giannis fans.

  • @oladipupoajani
    @oladipupoajani Год назад +195

    RIP to these two ICONS.

    • @awc6007
      @awc6007 Год назад

      RIP 🇧🇷🏆🔟🏆🇦🇷

  • @SUBMACHINEGOTH
    @SUBMACHINEGOTH Год назад +1424

    Never clicked so fast in a video before. As a Brazilian, this beef is basically the biggest reason why Argentinian and Brazilian HATE each other. The most intense international soccer rivalry is, by far, Brazil x Argentina. Even in club measure, the Libertadores Cup is fueled by the Argentina x Brazil feeling. Much love from Brazil!

    • @tiago33
      @tiago33 Год назад +13

      cara, eu fiz EXATAMENTE a mesma coisa!
      que vídeo fantástico

    • @Patrick61804
      @Patrick61804 Год назад

      The only counties that hate each other more are probably Russia and Ukraine, and the Koreas

    • @davincisama
      @davincisama Год назад +38

      Uruguay has entered the chat.
      cough* Maracanazo cough*

    • @sebagonzalez24
      @sebagonzalez24 Год назад +9

      As an argentinian, i couldn't agree more

    • @vitoravila9908
      @vitoravila9908 Год назад +70

      @@davincisama too long ago, none cares anymore…besides, we got a way worse humiliation to be ashamed about(7-1)….

  • @lucaslonchampt613
    @lucaslonchampt613 Год назад +820

    I wish more people would agree with Pelé's point about comparisons. I'm sick to death of people comparing players in any sport to put one or another down instead of admiring what they can all do. Enjoy greatness while you still can

    • @blackscreen1810
      @blackscreen1810 Год назад +9

      The games changed so much you can’t compare

    • @limonator8280
      @limonator8280 Год назад +8

      True true but, Maradona is better.

    • @lucaslonchampt613
      @lucaslonchampt613 Год назад +36

      @@limonator8280 You're not funny mate

    • @limonator8280
      @limonator8280 Год назад +3

      @@lucaslonchampt613 I didn’t say any jokes , Pal. Maradona is better.

    • @rezhaadriantanuharja3389
      @rezhaadriantanuharja3389 Год назад +7

      Sports are, after all, a form of entertainment. As long as someone find comparisons entertaining, it will exist

  • @movieracket1726
    @movieracket1726 Год назад +57

    Man this video hits different now... RIP to these two absolute Legends of the game

  • @BWalsh737
    @BWalsh737 Год назад +159

    Beef history is one of the best series on RUclips. Also Clara is awesome.

    • @drphot6050
      @drphot6050 Год назад +5

      Mid lol

    • @BWalsh737
      @BWalsh737 Год назад +1

      @@drphot6050 About Beef History or Clara? Ha

    • @fcervantes777
      @fcervantes777 Год назад +1

      Clara sucks honestly, I don’t like her voice, the worst of all is that the videos she made have the most interesting topics

    • @RandallBalls
      @RandallBalls Год назад

      @@fcervantes777 but you got to get that diversity in there bro

  • @harveyholmes9533
    @harveyholmes9533 Год назад +179

    It gets glossed over here but the brawl he started while at Barcelona is well worth searching out if you’ve never seen it, he flying knees the opposition goalkeeper out cold Masvidal style

    • @godalbinothe
      @godalbinothe Год назад +10

      The story behind it is even better, the midfielder of the team they were playing (Bilbao) broke his ankle the year prior with an awful tackle lmao. So he got his get back regardless if they lost or not

    • @Sledgehammer003
      @Sledgehammer003 Год назад +10

      @@godalbinothe Not only that , he was getting HACKED the whole game. The whole bilbao team were dirty . There was 1 dude nicknamed The Butcher of Bilbao to give context. That game Barcelona , lost , and the brawl was right about as the game was gonna end. It was just the climax of a yearly battle/war!

    • @harveyholmes9533
      @harveyholmes9533 Год назад +11

      @@godalbinothe is that the guy who kept the boot he broke Maradonna’s leg with in a glass box like a trophy?

    • @godalbinothe
      @godalbinothe Год назад +8

      @@Sledgehammer003 Yup! Crazy era lmao. The guy who broke his ankle kept his boots that he did it in 😂 it’s crazy when they say football is not a contact sport

    • @godalbinothe
      @godalbinothe Год назад +3

      @@harveyholmes9533 Yup! Insane lol

  • @Zamppa86
    @Zamppa86 Год назад +444

    It's damn hard to compare two legends who were 20 years apart. Maradona is probably remembered more because football became more and more global during the 80s when Maradona was at his prime. Football started to be more and more in tv so I would say much more people saw him play than saw Pele play.

    • @ezra7723
      @ezra7723 Год назад +19

      It also doesn’t help that he was forced to stay in Brazil instead of going to bigger clubs in Europe

    • @herrerasauro7429
      @herrerasauro7429 Год назад +81

      @@ezra7723 At the time, there were no such thing as "bigger clubs in Europe", in fact they're not even better. In Pelé's days, the international tournament between SA and Europe was the Intercontinental Cup which was dominated by South American clubs
      The 1966 beating took at the hands of Portugal mentioned in the video was because Santos ABSOLUTELY DEMOLISHED Benfica 5 x 2 , the Champions of Europe. Benfica who in turn had demolished everyone in Europe and yet they couldn't handle Pelé.
      Back then, Brazilian clubs used to tour Europe and get huge results, there's even an anecdote of Garrincha scoring 5 times, which prompted his coach to ask him to stop as to not embarass their host, which Garrincha responded by leaving the whole defensive system in shambles, rounding the keeper, getting to the line and turning back.

    • @MegaHariboboy
      @MegaHariboboy Год назад +3

      The issue is that in recent years, Maradona let his football do the talking, while Pele and Santos decided that they need to remind everyone every single second that he was an amazing footballer.
      Like the time when Ronaldo became the player with the most club goals in history (I believe thats the statistic) and then Santos suddenly came out with an extra 300 or so goals for Pele. The revisionist history about that era in football is astounding. Maradona played in an era where the average of the players was of a much higher quality, where he played in a foreign country almost his entire career (as opposed to the Brazilians in the 60s where they all stayed in Brazil), and he wasn't playing surrounded by some of the greatest players of all time.

    • @MegaHariboboy
      @MegaHariboboy Год назад +5

      @@herrerasauro7429 That is simply not true. Between 1960-1970 (Peles peak years), European teams won the Intercontinental Cup 7 times to South American teams 4 times.
      In 1962, Benfica didn't 'demolish' everyone in Europe. They only won the semi final of the European Cup 3-2 on aggregate. There ABSOLUTELY were such things as 'bigger clubs in Europe'. Real Madrid for example, by then Puskas and Di Stafano had already played for them.
      In 1963 when Milan played Santos, Milan ABSOLUTELY DEMOLISHED Santos by 4-2. However Santos won the second leg and then won the tie in extra time. See how your example is pretty dumb? Milan and Manchester United had already been around for over 10 years longer than Santos had.
      To try to claim that South American club football (especially Brazilian clubs) in the 60s and 70s was some kind of sphere of excellence that no other continent could come close to is the exact reason why so many people are fed up of Pele. If South American teams were so good, then why did Pele score '1000' goals against primarily them?

    • @purwantiallan5089
      @purwantiallan5089 Год назад +1

      @@ezra7723 Ezra77, i think we may see Messi better than Maradonna at this point.

  • @AntColon
    @AntColon Год назад +124

    There could be an episode of beef history uploaded on professional bowlers and id watch it instantly

    • @robertnguyen3925
      @robertnguyen3925 Год назад +1

      Sean Rash and Belmo would be a great start, or Pete Weber with the PBA.

    • @Champs-ek7lh
      @Champs-ek7lh Год назад +1

      @@robertnguyen3925 Pete Weber with the PBA would be excellent

    • @bradleyhcobb
      @bradleyhcobb Год назад +1

      I'd love a Rewinder about, "Who do you think you are? I am!"

  • @ramonew7815
    @ramonew7815 Год назад +155

    Dang, Maradona aged like 10 years in one.

    • @hackrjack
      @hackrjack Год назад +30

      It is very sad, but also why Pele is 82 and still alive and Maradona passed at 60.

    • @IgorPCabral
      @IgorPCabral Год назад +9

      @@hackrjack I think it's pretty clear why in the video

    • @Entername-md1ev
      @Entername-md1ev Год назад +9

      Drugs do that to you…

    • @acematheus
      @acematheus Год назад +2

      @@hackrjack this aged badly...

  • @werderzen3655
    @werderzen3655 Год назад +61

    So glad this channel is looking into soccer there’s too many storylines. I appreciate it a lot.

    • @BabylonGateLA
      @BabylonGateLA Год назад +5

      You misspelled Football bro!

    • @tommyl.dayandtherunaways820
      @tommyl.dayandtherunaways820 Год назад +1

      @@BabylonGateLA Soccer is an appropriate term. Don’t take my word for it, the English themselves coined it.

    • @gumdeo
      @gumdeo Год назад

      @@tommyl.dayandtherunaways820 The English never use it tho.

  • @HHPYEPIC42
    @HHPYEPIC42 Год назад +23

    RIP BOTH GOATS. LEGENDS LIVE FOREVER

  • @Lotus77King
    @Lotus77King Год назад +64

    When Two Kings collide, it’s only to be expected there would be beef. Good stuff 🔥

  • @TheBINIBALL
    @TheBINIBALL Год назад +11

    RIP GOATs. I'm sure they're playing football together in heaven

  • @rockmorales
    @rockmorales Год назад +170

    What also helped, was the CR7 and Messi era. People started to call them 2 the goats instead of Pele and Maradona. So Pele and Maradona had a common enemy. We saw Pele try to remind everyone that he has more goals than CR7 and Maradona try to remind everyone that Messi can't win a world cup.

    • @leonconnelly5303
      @leonconnelly5303 Год назад +1

      There’s no real beef it’s all speculation

    • @javiazar
      @javiazar Год назад +26

      The best player of all time is Messi by so long of a distance vs whoever you choose to put in 2nd place that it's not fair to other people to be compared to him.
      Using number of World Cups won to determine who is "better" means Antoine Griezmann is better than Messi? Olivier Giroud? André Schürrle? David Villa? Luca Toni? GTFO lol
      Football isn't tennis. There are 11 guys on the field, not 1.

    • @rockmorales
      @rockmorales Год назад +28

      @@javiazar Nah, I disagree. None of those guys were the best players on their team winning the WC. If a great player can carry other players to win a team trophy, that's astonishing. Incredible. True greatness. However let's not forget that Maradona did use his hand.

    • @chriswayneevans
      @chriswayneevans Год назад +9

      Younger fans will usually side with the players they got to see in their lifetime, ie Messi and CR7 today, and Pele and Maradona therefore can’t possibly be as good. They are all great players, but in their prime, it’s Maradona for me.

    • @magicl4088
      @magicl4088 Год назад +1

      @@javiazar exactly and this why there is not the GOAT, but rather a lot of players you could call that for various reasons

  • @spookyghostwriter3110
    @spookyghostwriter3110 Год назад +115

    Would 7-1 be considered a “The Worst” episode given how Brazil coined two entire terms to describe it?

    • @terciosonic6767
      @terciosonic6767 Год назад +2

      Yes.

    • @wakkawakkagaming3710
      @wakkawakkagaming3710 Год назад +33

      I'm actually shocked they haven't done it yet to be honest

    • @riccardosantella1200
      @riccardosantella1200 Год назад +20

      I don't know about that. 1950's World Cup final loss at Maracanà wasn't worse as far as result goes, but it was WAY worse for the Brazilan National Team and their country. Literally dozens of people committed suicide on the spot.

    • @BillHFA
      @BillHFA Год назад +12

      Probably yes, but Brazil also had two World Cup games that shocked the whole country and left lasting scars: the 2-1 loss to Uruguay in the 1950 World Cup final (in Brazil) and the 3-2 loss to Italy in 1982, when the Seleção was considered the best one ever.

    • @blaseblah204
      @blaseblah204 Год назад +8

      @@riccardosantella1200 Absolutely amazing that people will take a game so seriously, that they willingly end their life because of it.
      I'm a huge Brazil fan, and the 7-1 disaster left me stunned to my soul.
      But, in the end it's just a game, and I'm not crazy.
      Brazil 2022!!!!

  • @shawnzorf
    @shawnzorf Год назад +21

    10:54 - Right behind Pele, there's Diego's dad. Don Diego. The same guy who cried when Pelé offered Maradona some advice in the late 70s.

  • @furrycheetah
    @furrycheetah Год назад +35

    Both of you were and will always be the GOAT for all GOATS.

    • @sharonscott6244
      @sharonscott6244 Год назад +2

      There can only be ONE GOAT that is PELE pure class on & off the court

    • @johnrockyryan
      @johnrockyryan Год назад

      ​@@sharonscott6244 nope Diego

    • @sharonscott6244
      @sharonscott6244 Год назад

      @@johnrockyryan to each their own Pele the original

  • @OKingSizeTv
    @OKingSizeTv Год назад +111

    This episode is good but it does not lean into one of the most important aspects of this beef. Pelé is brazilian, Maradona is argentinian. When it comes to football there's is much respect on either side, but also a fierce rivalry between the two countries. It is only natural that the two best players ever for each country would be caught up on that.
    On a side note, the argument that the brazilian league in the 60's and 70's was weaker than europe is stupid. That was the golden age of brazilian football, when when won 3 out of 4 world cups with homegrown talent. That league was the strongest and most competitive in the world at the time. My hometown Cruzeiro even beat Pelé's Santos at his peak 6-2 on our way to a national title. Brazil's 70 seleção featured players from many brazilian squad that were overflowing with talent then. It was very close to the american basketbalk dream team in the Barcelona olympics.

    • @GenericUserNameHere
      @GenericUserNameHere Год назад +15

      The Brazilian Govt also didn’t let players leave which isn’t Pelé’s fault. They didn’t let Garrincha go to Juventus either

    • @joserivera5007
      @joserivera5007 Год назад +7

      Yeah that argument is overused but not true, there wasn't a official national league in Brazil until 1971, which means most of the time pele was playing and participating in badly organized regional/ state tournaments for most of his career. The Brazilian Federation didn't get serious until 1971 about forming a serious organized league until 1971, by which time pele was turning 31 in 1971.

    • @herrerasauro7429
      @herrerasauro7429 Год назад +12

      Yeah, people keep repeating that Pelé never went to Europe when Benfica, who thrashed european teams, was thrashed by Santos.
      And Santos had their match back in Brazil in Cruzeiro, Botafogo, Fluminense and others...

    • @bismarkyeboah70
      @bismarkyeboah70 Год назад +17

      Oh yeah, that argument is so stupid. U had Brazil win the World Cup 3 out of 4 times between 1958 and 1970 and none of their players played in Europe. So how can you even claim ur league is better than Brazil’s league

    • @angelrobles7201
      @angelrobles7201 Год назад +14

      @@herrerasauro7429 Not only Benfica. They thrashed Barcelona, they thrashed Milan.
      Nearly every main European team of that era saw themselves losing against Santos.
      The only exception was Real Madrid, but because Santiago Bernabéu himself ordered that the main team had to rest for a week, while Santos came on a frantic, 3-games-a-week schedule. Real won a close game, despite Santos playing tired.
      Bernabéu would then reject anyone from Santos asking for a rematch, perhaps knowing that his team lucked out that game.
      If the president of the team that had just won 5 European Leagues trembled by the notion of losing a rematch against a team that would probably arrive tiresome due to a load of matches played in so little time... That pretty much sums up how freaking powerful was Santos.

  • @giorgiocarratta8736
    @giorgiocarratta8736 Год назад +142

    These goat debates often seem to come down to what you consider more impressive. Pele had something of a perfect carreer. Maradona was the technically perfect virtuoso that amazed the word. Jordan also had a kind of perfect carreer (two three-peates, etc.), whereas Lebron is the phisical beast that can do it all.
    It also usually gets mixed with discussion about values and choices each player made. Lebron changed teams a handful of times, Jordan didn't. Maradona was a drug addict, but he also unionized the sport, whereas Pele didn't.

    • @heehee4651
      @heehee4651 Год назад +11

      Pele never proved himself in Europe. Yes he played on a good team at the time in Santos but it was hardly a perfect career where there is no unanswered questions

    • @timskanaal8639
      @timskanaal8639 Год назад +3

      yeah thats true, there are so much stats and things you can link to players. That's why there is still a goat debate between Messi, Ronaldo, Pele, Cruijff and Maradona. Because you can make a compelling argument for the best players in the game

    • @terciosonic6767
      @terciosonic6767 Год назад +50

      @@heehee4651 the Brazilian league was better than the majority of European football in the 60s, with the exception of Italy. So much so that Pelé's Santos crushed Eusebio's Benfica and AC Milan in the Intercontinental Cup

    • @buklau9214
      @buklau9214 Год назад +1

      Garbage eras shouldn't even matter

    • @No-wc6hw
      @No-wc6hw Год назад +40

      @@heehee4651 Not true South American and Brazilian football was better in the 60s.

  • @GenericUserNameHere
    @GenericUserNameHere Год назад +247

    That Argentine team wasn’t average. They were just set up to be ultra-defensive by Bilardo so Maradona didn’t have to do any defensive work. Also if someone fouled him his teammates would oblige the opponent.

    • @gerardomalazdrewicz7514
      @gerardomalazdrewicz7514 Год назад +42

      It was quite a solid team. For example, no opponent player had a 1-on-1 against the goalkeeper, controlling the ball [like Burruchage in the 3-2 against West Germany].
      But individually, Brazil 1970 had more talent than Argentina 1986.

    • @GenericUserNameHere
      @GenericUserNameHere Год назад +9

      @@gerardomalazdrewicz7514 Absolutely right but I take the Argentine system. Brazil has always been loosy goose defending and that’s the edge for me

    • @AlexA-fn2bg
      @AlexA-fn2bg Год назад +23

      Yep, as an avid futbol fan, this is the first time I've heard that 86 team be called average. Lol.

    • @angelrobles7201
      @angelrobles7201 Год назад +17

      The very final is proof that this wasn't an "very average" team.
      Beckenbauer sent Matthäus to cover Maradona, thinking that with Maradona out of the equation, West Germany would coast to an easy win, even at the cost of taking Matthäus out of the equation too.
      He had to revert actions, freeing Matthäus of his warden role, after Argentina got a commanding 2-goal advantage.
      And, man! Burruchaga showed a big pair of balls when scoring the winning goal! Running against Schumacher, who nearly killed (no exaggeration) Battiston on a similar play 4 years before, requires a level of courage not found on a "very average" player

    • @terciosonic6767
      @terciosonic6767 Год назад +1

      @@GenericUserNameHere "loosy goose defending" 1958, 1994 and 2002 champions would like to have a word with you

  • @GarkKahn
    @GarkKahn Год назад +34

    Main beef is about the argentina - brazil rivalry
    Pretty hard to accept a player from the other country being better than one from yours without looking like a traitor

    • @FALL-LAFF-7477
      @FALL-LAFF-7477 Год назад +2

      Hey, patriotism always make people have a sense of 'pride' for their home-country players. I'm not joking if one man willing to kill someone for doing an own-goal in WC. Or make racist remarks on a best player from France during the big matches. Even bigger if you include those country.

    • @herrerasauro7429
      @herrerasauro7429 Год назад +11

      Yeah, that's one big reason Neymar is considered a big flop in Brazil even having a great carrer. He's contemporary to Messi, who's undeniable and Brazil has nothing to counter besides the laurels makes Brazil feel alienated that the only one who was able to deny him was a portuguese.

  • @a-part
    @a-part Год назад +19

    El Diego carried not only his squad but his entire country to the world cup.

  • @kajigger
    @kajigger Год назад +21

    While the video is good I think it didn't mention enough how strong the Argentina v Brasil rivalry is. That seasoned this beef quite a bit

  • @dasfowler
    @dasfowler Год назад +22

    Thank you for clarifying what "nutted" meant in the context. I thought Pele had an entire world-class skillset I'd never heard about for a moment.

    • @No-wc6hw
      @No-wc6hw Год назад +12

      I don’t blame Pelé because he played at a time when football was very violent and defenders used to brutalise him.

  • @tilony
    @tilony Год назад +2

    Beef history is my favorite series on YT, thank you SB.

  • @dennismukoyatv
    @dennismukoyatv Год назад +10

    Descanse em paz rei, Pele. Continue resting in peace, el Pibe d'oro. Legends don't die, they simply ascend to higher glory.

  • @ampersand2001
    @ampersand2001 Год назад +50

    Amazing work as always Clara, thank you for sharing such a great story with us. It's fun to learn about sports outside of the major ones in America.

    • @brianbadonde9251
      @brianbadonde9251 Год назад +4

      "Clara", like you know her personally or something 😂

    • @RickyJMarc
      @RickyJMarc Год назад +2

      @@brianbadonde9251 it’s a movement, Brian.

    • @brianbadonde9251
      @brianbadonde9251 Год назад +2

      @@RickyJMarc It's weird and para-social, Ricky.

    • @RickyJMarc
      @RickyJMarc Год назад +3

      @@brianbadonde9251 are you okay? Who hurt you?

    • @brianbadonde9251
      @brianbadonde9251 Год назад

      @@RickyJMarc lmaoo

  • @MexicanMata
    @MexicanMata Год назад +3

    Finally! Been waiting for this beef history episode for years

  • @kevinomodt5996
    @kevinomodt5996 Год назад +1

    Y'all are cranking these out! I love it!

  • @prolazoi774
    @prolazoi774 Год назад +1

    great video!! thank you for the hard work clara and jiazhen :)

  • @maseluss
    @maseluss Год назад +11

    Another thing I feel it should be mentioned is that Brazil and Argentina are football (soccer) rivals by our nature, we're neighbours, we kinda like each other but when it comes to football it's pure war

  • @markdwighttadina7655
    @markdwighttadina7655 Год назад +3

    This video didn't aged well
    Maradona is gone 2 years ago
    And now Pelé
    RIP both...Gone but never forgotten.

  • @jaedenalarcon
    @jaedenalarcon Год назад +5

    May they both rest in paradise 🙏🏼

  • @PRZ64
    @PRZ64 Год назад +85

    _“The greatest player in history was Di Stefano. I refuse to classify Pele as a player. He was above that."_
    Ferenc Puskas

    • @kroon275
      @kroon275 Год назад +19

      Puskas was an artist of a footballer

  • @marcossenna4612
    @marcossenna4612 Год назад +8

    Both legends are now playing in heaven

    • @BrockMak
      @BrockMak Год назад +1

      And the referee is Nelson Mandela.

  • @del46_60
    @del46_60 Год назад +15

    I think Pele was the greatest ever. But in Brazil there is a saying coined by the infamous Romario: "With his mouth closed, he's a poet."

    • @goodlife7018
      @goodlife7018 Год назад

      I think most Brazilians have no idea the effect Pele had on people far away from Brazil. In his prime every kid in Africa wanted just to be Pele. For the populace in large Pele was on mythological par with the likes of the Greek gods like Zeus. His name was synonymous with lightening, tornedo or hurricane. He was the mega force, the atomic bomb of soccer. To Africans when someone mentions Pele there is only one thing that comes to mind BRAZIL and when someone mentions Brazil, there is only one name that comes to mind PELE! Brazil=Pele and Pele=Brazil. Period! He is the first and last Brazilian to put Brazil right on the world map. Because of Pele Africans till now LOVE and root for the Brazilian team. He engraved the Brazilian yellow jersey and the legendary number 10 on every non Brazilian man, woman and child. On every African country sport radio broadcasts, there was only megastar that controlled the air waves, Pele!. Legend has it that people used to kiss the ground he walked on. I can go on and on about his legends. The words "GOAT" or "King of soccer" don't do any justice to him. He was bigger than the game itself. He overshadows the entire game. Without him, soccer has no meaning at all. He is the father and soccer is just his little kid.

  • @matthewhoward6106
    @matthewhoward6106 Год назад +1

    Great timing. I like to watch something of quality while I eat breakfast and you've made it an easy choice this morning.

  • @tmoneyfresh
    @tmoneyfresh Год назад +1

    Great work as always Clara & Jiazhen!

  • @jrodsep
    @jrodsep Год назад +65

    Who’s here right after seeing Argentina win the 2022 cup?!?

    • @DracoHim
      @DracoHim Год назад

      Me

    • @mountaindew3201
      @mountaindew3201 Год назад

      This video popped up a few days before the WC final. I refused to click it unless Argentina wins which they did now.

    • @ishrendon6435
      @ishrendon6435 Год назад

      Didnt even watch the round 16 games. I got really bored at times( i like football but not a huge fan of it i prefer boxing or MMA) i thiught it was a good world cup and argentina is great even though didnt watch the final. Wish brazil wouldve won as someone who has studied in brazil i love brazil more

    • @DarthTerminatti
      @DarthTerminatti Год назад

      I watched Messi finally catch Mbappe!

    • @ThePugilistPodcast
      @ThePugilistPodcast Год назад +2

      Any Brazilian player is better than Lionel Messi. -Pele 😮

  • @Damian_1989
    @Damian_1989 Год назад +6

    Now they're both enjoying fútbol in heaven, RIP legends

  • @samhhhhh
    @samhhhhh Год назад +1

    You always kill these Clara, great video

  • @PLFMM
    @PLFMM Год назад +6

    Lol! Clara always kills me…I love this show!

  • @abelvasquez1858
    @abelvasquez1858 Год назад +7

    Amazing video !! Loved this one sooooooooo much! Great work

  • @nonamelegend_vapor
    @nonamelegend_vapor Год назад +4

    5:47 thanks for the Clara-fication, I was like wtf

  • @silva29
    @silva29 Год назад

    Always on point. Thank you for another great video.

  • @martinmigone7747
    @martinmigone7747 Год назад +8

    I was just here to see if they covered the "Pele debuto con un pibe" quote

  • @Adalhaid_
    @Adalhaid_ Год назад +5

    Two soccer videos in a row? Let’s go Secret Base!

    • @matthewlo7868
      @matthewlo7868 Год назад

      Best you enjoy it while they’re on this roll.. Remember, SB are yanks, and as such, it’s really rare to see one soccer/football vid from them, let alone two or more on the trot!

  • @schteb9876
    @schteb9876 Год назад +26

    Y'all should do a beef history from Formula One. There's so many potential stories from the sport to choose from, but one involving the childhood friendship to huge split between Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg could be entertaining.

  • @OsmanTheDragon
    @OsmanTheDragon Год назад +1

    I remember being in a hospital recovering from a surgery and when I woke up, Brazil secured qualification for the 2010 World Cup… In Argentina… Against Argentina… With Maradona as coach. I never saw the match. I just saw the highlights. And Maradona's face said it all.
    Edson Arantes do Nascimento wasn't that KIND of a person, but when playing soccer and turning on Pelé mode, he was simply unbeatable in his prime.
    Diego Armando Maradona was a brash, a rebel, but a maestro of maelstroms when it comes to soccer.
    I just hope Pelé and Maradona have a good conversation about their lives on earth while in heaven…

  • @bontifagi525
    @bontifagi525 Год назад +2

    Man secret base be killing it these days and 2 vids a week

  • @jonathanhuegel8544
    @jonathanhuegel8544 Год назад +19

    Have you guys ever considered doing a video of the “Battle of Nuremberg” during the 2006 World Cup between Portugal and the Netherlands? I feel like that would be a good video to do in preparation for the World Cup this year. Surely there are a few fascinating story threads there.

  • @yahshgarcia3689
    @yahshgarcia3689 Год назад +9

    RIP to both legends 🙏🏽🖤

  • @nikushachanturia
    @nikushachanturia Год назад +13

    Any American wondering how big Maradona was, please just watch Emil Kusturica's film about him - Maradona is a literal god for Argentinians

  • @edped91
    @edped91 Год назад +2

    Got emotional ngl, thanks!
    If I can be so bold as to make a request, could you please do a vid on Troy Deeney's goal vs Leicester in 2013? Would be perfect for a Rewind

  • @lucasparis7284
    @lucasparis7284 Год назад +3

    I apreciate the increase on Soccer videos!

  • @arielsavala5360
    @arielsavala5360 Год назад +7

    I've shown clips of Maradona to people that knew nothing about soccer - and they are always mesmerized. Then I'll do the same with Pele - and if they're still awake after 3 minutes they ask me to find someone else like Maradona.
    Pele was rated by his inflated goal count in a different time in a league of much lesser quality. He was an athlete that had amazing players with him. Diego was alone in Argentina. A typical goal from Pele was getting a cross from one of his teammates and putting the ball in the net. Maradona's goals were dribbles from midfield where he would elude half the opposing squad one after the next before finally beating the goalie as well.
    Maradona revolutionized the game. There were things he did with the ball that no one could or would even think to do before him. Pele was a good athlete surrounded by other great athletes. He's not even the best Brazilian player. He's not even the best Brazilian player of his generation. He's a FIFA hype job and that's why when they didn't get the results they wanted in the online poll they moved the goal posts and made themselves the voters.

    • @gourmondal5812
      @gourmondal5812 Год назад

      maradona is clear

    • @guillermosalinas9985
      @guillermosalinas9985 Год назад +1

      Like score a goat with his hand 🤣 pele clears 3 world cups 7 ballon de or. Destroyed all European clubs didn’t have to take peds and finally wasn’t a pedo. Goat pele🐐

    • @popemorah7449
      @popemorah7449 Год назад +2

      Pele revolutionised football and made it global even when there was no tv coverage. During Pele era video coverage was still evolving that why it looks dull and during Diego era video coverage was now on colour. Just like saying sci-fi movies of 2022 has more interest to the audience to sci-fi of 1990.
      Pele made the #10 jersey the iconic number wore by the best player in the team.
      About playing in a lesser league during Pele's era south America countries were dominating football
      If the best of south American players like Messi, Neymar, Anderson, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Aguero, Maradona were all playing in their countries league will u call it a lesser league, during Pele era the best south American players played south American league.
      Pele revolutionised football globally while Maradona modernized it globally

    • @goodlife7018
      @goodlife7018 Год назад

      I think most Brazilians have no idea the effect Pele had on people far away from Brazil. In his prime every kid in Africa wanted just to be Pele. For the populace in large Pele was on mythological par with the likes of the Greek gods like Zeus. His name was synonymous with lightening, tornedo or hurricane. He was the mega force, the atomic bomb of soccer. To Africans when someone mentions Pele there is only one thing that comes to mind BRAZIL and when someone mentions Brazil, there is only one name that comes to mind PELE! Brazil=Pele and Pele=Brazil. Period! He is the first and last Brazilian to put Brazil right on the world map. Because of Pele Africans till now LOVE and root for the Brazilian team. He engraved the Brazilian yellow jersey and the legendary number 10 on every non Brazilian man, woman and child. On every African country sport radio broadcasts, there was only megastar that controlled the air waves, Pele!. Legend has it that people used to kiss the ground he walked on. I can go on and on about his legends. The words "GOAT" or "King of soccer" don't do any justice to him. He was bigger than the game itself. He overshadows the entire game. Without him, soccer has no meaning at all. He is the father and soccer is just his little kid.

    • @gourmondal5812
      @gourmondal5812 Год назад +1

      @@popemorah7449 pele was more influential
      maradona was a better footballer
      end of debate

  • @panito3000
    @panito3000 Год назад +1

    Great video! You rock, Clara!

  • @mothas23
    @mothas23 Год назад +1

    I listened to this accidentally and I really enjoyed it - great writing and delivery!

  • @wazzup233
    @wazzup233 Год назад +3

    Now they're both gone. 2 years ago it was Maradona and now Pele. Rest in Heaven to the 2 GOAT legends on football/soccer. 🙏

  • @brandonblanco8379
    @brandonblanco8379 Год назад +12

    RIP Pele

  • @darthconquerus
    @darthconquerus Год назад +1

    Utterly no point ever trying to come up with a greatest ever because there’s no way to avoid recency bias unless you say and watched hours and hours of each player

  • @gadget00
    @gadget00 Год назад +5

    Pelé is a gentleman, and Diego was your crazy lad with a big heart. In the end they truly respected each other and took the time and effort to make it known to each other and the public. You see it all the time in other rivals/colleagues like Messi and Cristiano, Jobs and Gates, Magic and Bird, and so on

    • @goodlife7018
      @goodlife7018 Год назад

      I think most Brazilians have no idea the effect Pele had on people far away from Brazil. In his prime every kid in Africa wanted just to be Pele. For the populace in large Pele was on mythological par with the likes of the Greek gods like Zeus. His name was synonymous with lightening, tornedo or hurricane. He was the mega force, the atomic bomb of soccer. To Africans when someone mentions Pele there is only one thing that comes to mind BRAZIL and when someone mentions Brazil, there is only one name that comes to mind PELE! Brazil=Pele and Pele=Brazil. Period! He is the first and last Brazilian to put Brazil right on the world map. Because of Pele Africans till now LOVE and root for the Brazilian team. He engraved the Brazilian yellow jersey and the legendary number 10 on every non Brazilian man, woman and child. On every African country sport radio broadcasts, there was only megastar that controlled the air waves, Pele!. Legend has it that people used to kiss the ground he walked on. I can go on and on about his legends. The words "GOAT" or "King of soccer" don't do any justice to him. He was bigger than the game itself. He overshadows the entire game. Without him, soccer has no meaning at all. He is the father and soccer is just his little kid.

  • @johnstjohn1987
    @johnstjohn1987 Год назад +6

    Aaron Rodgers vs Mike McCarthy BEEF EPISODE.
    Been asking for YEARS

  • @zergbong
    @zergbong Год назад +117

    Pele's team was absolutely next level. Full of characters and dribble gods. He himself was next level too. But Don Diego is for the people.

    • @gerardomalazdrewicz7514
      @gerardomalazdrewicz7514 Год назад +15

      This. So much than an Argentine journalist, nicknamed Juvenal, wrote, after 1986 WC: "Maradona is more for Argentina than Pelé is from Brazil", in the sense that made a bigger difference.

    • @leandrometfan
      @leandrometfan Год назад +7

      I feel that this feeling that Maradona is "for the people" happens because Argentina didnt have any world class footballers from the time between Di stefano to Maradona (20 years), and from Maradona to Messi (15 years). Sure, you got Crespo, Batistuta and Redondo but they dont even come close to Romario, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Cafu, Roberto Carlos or other Brazilian players that came during those 35 years where Argentina lack unique talent.

    • @123macks
      @123macks Год назад +3

      Correct and pele still stood out that y pele is a best 🤟🤟

    • @Mad_Intalect
      @Mad_Intalect Год назад +2

      @@leandrometfan Mario Kempes?

    • @FuShengAlex
      @FuShengAlex Год назад +1

      @@gerardomalazdrewicz7514 one of the biggest myths that keeps being posted.
      Maradona joined a Argentina team full of all time great players that were defending champs going into 1982. Passarella is their greatest defender ever. Kempes was the previous Golden Boot winner. Fillol was Argentinas greatest ever keeper. None of these guys were on the downsides of their careers and Argentina didn't win it all.

  • @nyc7187
    @nyc7187 Год назад +11

    Do more of these ⚽️ ones please!!!

  • @sugargaydavid
    @sugargaydavid Год назад +92

    Two immortal guys who helped to put South America on the map ❤️🇧🇷🇦🇷

    • @jayrodr897
      @jayrodr897 Год назад +9

      South America is kind of hard to miss on a map, with or without Pele and Maradona

    • @lukeinvictus
      @lukeinvictus Год назад +7

      Hey teacher what’s that blank spot on the map for? Oh, don’t worry about it that’s where they don’t have any great footballers

    • @lukazupie7220
      @lukazupie7220 Год назад +1

      Argentina was shortly the richest country in the world around ~1900... Brazil is one of the biggest countries..😀

    • @wilbertkendal2524
      @wilbertkendal2524 Год назад

      RIP Pele

  • @Hummabubba
    @Hummabubba Год назад +16

    I've never watched a minute of football in my life, but this is definitely one of my favorite beef histories so far.

  • @arsenalfan798
    @arsenalfan798 Год назад +3

    Rip to both of them ❤ forever in our hearts

  • @pedrolucena4436
    @pedrolucena4436 Год назад +5

    I was glad to see a video on Pele x Maradona but I have to say that it fails to really highlight one of the main reasons why this argument is so intense: the rivalry between Brazil x Argentina.
    There is no sweeter victory (other than a WC win, of course) than winning against Argentina and I am sure they feel similar. We are bound to compare our players since we are not only neighbors but the main football powerhouses of the Americas. That type of comparation is constant and it happens on every level, from this historical giants of football to relatively unknown new players facing each other in the Copas Libertadores or Sulamericana.
    Personally, I think this rivalry is amazing. I love to hate our dear hermanos. 🇧🇷🇦🇷❤

  • @arpitaroy5203
    @arpitaroy5203 Год назад +3

    Pele had a good relationship with India. He often came to India to play friendlies as a guest ofc. He was ofc impeccable, but a guy stopped his penalty not once but twice. His name was Shivaji Ganguly (Not a well-known footballer ofc) who was my neighbor. He passed away yesterday

  • @PRZ64
    @PRZ64 Год назад +7

    _"Pele was the only footballer who surpassed the boundaries of logic."_
    Johan Cruyff

    • @leonconnelly5303
      @leonconnelly5303 Год назад +4

      MaraDonna was better lol

    • @embrasil
      @embrasil Год назад +1

      @@leonconnelly5303 in smoke cocaine

    • @goodlife7018
      @goodlife7018 Год назад

      I think most Brazilians have no idea the effect Pele had on people far away from Brazil. In his prime every kid in Africa wanted just to be Pele. For the populace in large Pele was on mythological par with the likes of the Greek gods like Zeus. His name was synonymous with lightening, tornedo or hurricane. He was the mega force, the atomic bomb of soccer. To Africans when someone mentions Pele there is only one thing that comes to mind BRAZIL and when someone mentions Brazil, there is only one name that comes to mind PELE! Brazil=Pele and Pele=Brazil. Period! He is the first and last Brazilian to put Brazil right on the world map. Because of Pele Africans till now LOVE and root for the Brazilian team. He engraved the Brazilian yellow jersey and the legendary number 10 on every non Brazilian man, woman and child. On every African country sport radio broadcasts, there was only megastar that controlled the air waves, Pele!. Legend has it that people used to kiss the ground he walked on. I can go on and on about his legends. The words "GOAT" or "King of soccer" don't do any justice to him. He was bigger than the game itself. He overshadows the entire game. Without him, soccer has no meaning at all. He is the father and soccer is just his little kid.

  • @Guille989
    @Guille989 Год назад +5

    Since yesterday the conversation is over, the goat is Messi

  • @mr.h3lmsl3y
    @mr.h3lmsl3y Год назад +6

    I’m soooooo glad you explained that nutted line , cuz I was like “Pele WHAT ?!?!” 😂😂🤣
    …… childish lmao
    But they were literally completely different people ….. key word , COMPLETELY

  • @RTTCTV
    @RTTCTV Год назад +3

    RIP Goats

  • @tashrif46
    @tashrif46 Год назад +3

    I am glad that it ended on good terms. Because it would have been really horrible if the last things those 2 said to each other were horrible. May Pele have good health and may El Diego rest in peace. Two of the greatest to ever do it.

  • @takabotch
    @takabotch Год назад +5

    RIP Pele ...

  • @kmush654
    @kmush654 Год назад +9

    Maradona and pele made peace when they were both being compare to Messi .

  • @akvalues
    @akvalues Год назад +4

    Pelé was definitely and over a greater period of time.

  • @SwitchB
    @SwitchB Год назад +4

    This is the seasoned beef we all needed.

  • @jimc.goodfellas
    @jimc.goodfellas Год назад +3

    When the best meets the best it's natural there will be a clash. But there can still be a mutual respect. Both men are legends

  • @dannyboywoks6002
    @dannyboywoks6002 Год назад +4

    the GOAT is messi. Leave pele out of the conversation

  • @yourfavoritespoon9958
    @yourfavoritespoon9958 Год назад +9

    We need a rewind of soccer moments

    • @FALL-LAFF-7477
      @FALL-LAFF-7477 Год назад

      They already did that, the Kun Aguero one.
      Maybe it need to restart from the Zidane's best goal on Champions League final. Or Colombian Soccer Tragedy in 1994.

    • @matthewlo7868
      @matthewlo7868 Год назад

      That would be great! How about either 1999 or 2005 champions league final??

  • @muhammadwahyuhidayat21498
    @muhammadwahyuhidayat21498 Год назад +6

    I love Soccer Beef History ever.
    (Late) Diego Maradona VS Pele edition

  • @_.13_
    @_.13_ Год назад +3

    More Football Beefs PLEASE ⚽️

  • @ediancleycosta5615
    @ediancleycosta5615 Год назад +4

    You should do a rewind about the missed penalty of Baggio in the 1994 World Cup

  • @bizzz.R
    @bizzz.R Год назад +11

    Hope that title never leaves South America

    • @Dr.Yakub22
      @Dr.Yakub22 Год назад +1

      It never did since Di Stefano

    • @TheyCallMeSledge
      @TheyCallMeSledge Год назад +2

      As much as I would love for that to stay that way, that Kylian Mbappe tho...that guy is a stud.

    • @gumdeo
      @gumdeo Год назад

      @@TheyCallMeSledge His talent level is not in GOAT range.

    • @starmovies4580
      @starmovies4580 Год назад

      @@TheyCallMeSledge beside world cup he has nothing win

  • @shlokpatel3611
    @shlokpatel3611 Год назад +5

    RIP Pele 😭😭

  • @sameeknowsitall
    @sameeknowsitall Год назад +4

    😭 R.I.P two legends

  • @M-Myrtle-R
    @M-Myrtle-R Год назад +4

    Clara Morris is the best.!!❤️

  • @icetredotnet6473
    @icetredotnet6473 Год назад +10

    Pele should have helped Garrincha…that is true.

    • @Mateus_Carvalho
      @Mateus_Carvalho Год назад +3

      He should've done a lot of stuff, in all due honesty. Pelé was a great player but in terms of a famous person, he's divisive over here.

    • @herrerasauro7429
      @herrerasauro7429 Год назад +1

      Honestly, he was never that close to Garrincha back then, besides the international rivalry, Pelé and Garrincha were from different and, back then much more relevant, "rival states" inside Brazil. The "Seleção RJ vs Seleção SP" were major rivalries back then.
      Garrinch was failed by a multitude of systems and people to happen that way.

    • @Mateus_Carvalho
      @Mateus_Carvalho Год назад

      @@herrerasauro7429 Not to mention himself. I do think someone did try to help him... Elza Soares, perhaps?

    • @herrerasauro7429
      @herrerasauro7429 Год назад

      @@Mateus_Carvalho Yeah, Elza was the only one trying to help him and was lambasted for it.
      Garrincha was a complex man and saying simply someone should've helped him is diminishing his character.

  • @LeMeilleurDesMait
    @LeMeilleurDesMait Год назад +36

    The political aspect of this beef is kinda left out here. Maradona always clearly identified himself as a socialist and spoke out on injustices in Latin America. He was close to Fidel and other socialist leaders. Pele on the other hand kept a cleaner image, choosing not to tackle difficult topics which made him a more marketable figure. As far as I know Maradona did criticise him for that publicly.
    I don't think the "who was better" debate is particularly interesting, but saying Pele was the better person is too easy as well. Sure, Maradona was troubled but he was also willing to use his standing to speak out. Pele chose not to stick his neck out. In my view Maradona is the more interesting, more human character. Pele cultivated this godlike image. Maradona was always a bit more real

    • @libertines24
      @libertines24 Год назад +2

      I knew this video wouldn’t get too into the politics but it’s the reason why maradona isn’t as respected in the west

    • @joshuageraldbutler8037
      @joshuageraldbutler8037 Год назад +2

      @@libertines24 It's also one of the reasons why Maradona got a lot of respect in Europe from people on the left.

    • @GeneralUile
      @GeneralUile Год назад +7

      Pelé also had some... let's say "troubling" moments in his life. He had a child out of wedlock in 1964-ish, and refused to acknowlege his daughter, Sandra Regina, as his child, even after the DNA tests showed he was indeed the father. She passed away in 2006, and Pelé wasn't present in her funeral.

    • @RafitoOoO
      @RafitoOoO Год назад +5

      I don't think Pelé "refused" to talk about things, it's just that he had different views than Maradona. Maradona was a certified commie, while Pelé is more on the conservative side and there's nothing wrong with that.

    • @LeMeilleurDesMait
      @LeMeilleurDesMait Год назад +2

      @@libertines24 I don't think that is the case at all. Especially in Napoli he is still beloved, they named their Stadium after him recently. Many other European Football fans look up to him as well. I just think that his politics are part of the reason he wasn't popular with FIFA or advertisers.

  • @beandaddygi
    @beandaddygi Год назад +6

    Meanwhile, Johan Cruyff: *I'll stay out of this one.*

    • @Jakemufcfan
      @Jakemufcfan Год назад

      And George Best was too drunk to care

    • @matthewlo7868
      @matthewlo7868 Год назад

      And what about Beckenbauer??

    • @jeffchad6481
      @jeffchad6481 Год назад

      @@matthewlo7868 Der Kaiser has given the goat title pele

  • @JK-gu3tl
    @JK-gu3tl Год назад +3

    Pele is still alive, holy moly.

  • @wanderlustwarrior
    @wanderlustwarrior Год назад +10

    I love Clara's narration. I enjoyed her comment "as a woman". I also liked learning about this beef, the Hand of God goal, the "greatest goal of all time" (I stopped the video to go watch it with the original commentary), and many more moments.

    • @No-wc6hw
      @No-wc6hw Год назад

      Pelé’s goal vs Fluminense in 61 was the best goal ever where he dribbled the whole team.

  • @matthewlo7868
    @matthewlo7868 Год назад +5

    Descanse en paz Maradona…
    Descanse em paz Pele….

  • @no_handle_found
    @no_handle_found Год назад +8

    You think it's a coincidence that these two stopped fighting about GOAT player, once Messi started his career... Think Again!!

    • @auroravivar2291
      @auroravivar2291 Год назад +1

      Look. Messi is an amazing player. But he is not Maradona.

    • @no_handle_found
      @no_handle_found Год назад

      @@auroravivar2291 yeah.. and Maradona is not Pele, and Pele is not Zidane...and Zidane is not..

    • @wilbertkendal2524
      @wilbertkendal2524 Год назад

      LOL!.....Pessi, Maradona 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @lizd.8655
    @lizd.8655 Год назад +3

    Now this is some beef with actual flavor!

  • @joaoyapur1247
    @joaoyapur1247 Год назад +3

    Pelè is well known, Maradona is well loved.