Threats, doping, and the legal system fueled Lance Armstrong's beef with Greg LeMond
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- Опубликовано: 28 фев 2020
- Lance Armstrong and Greg Lemond are the only Americans to ever win (or "win") the Tour De France multiple times.
And while these cycling heroes could have enjoyed a passing-the-torch type relationship, they did not. Because like all things Lance Armstrong, performance-enhancing drugs dominated the narrative. And before you know it, you’ve got a big slab of steroid infused, genetically modified Beef.
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Yeah but what are the two private videos surrounding it 😮😯
Ha
Also I don't care if it's a beef history or a best y'all got to do something on John McEnroe
Your headline is inaccurate Floyd's Landis (won) the tour if you are saying lance did
David Walsh is Irish, not British. Though he was working with a British paper at the time of his investigations into Lance's activities.
The fact that LeMond stuck to what was right instead of becoming another puppet covering up for Lance makes him an even greater hero
Greg lemond was beating convicted dopers by minutes. You're stupid if u think he cares about the sport being clean. Is all about the money and everyone went after lance because he had the money.
Lemond is also a doper, he used to sleep with a doctor by his bed so he wouldn’t die at night from so much EPO use
@@kaimeyers5145 lets be honest eveyone in the top 20 of most professional sports dope
@@kaimeyers5145 EPO came AFTER LeMond's Tour wins. And the part about a doctor being next to him at night? Moronic.
But your comment makes me curious as to your motives to slander LeMond. Why would anyone bother making outrageous lies about LeMond to defend Armstrong????
@@dogguy8603 In cycling. But if you look at athletics both track and field world records rarely get broken. The womens 100, 200, 400 and 800 world records are still from the 80s from Eastern European countries. For example in the 400m women dont even remotely get close to the world record. I'm talking almost 2 seconds slower than the world record and 1.5-2 seconds over a short distance like 400m is HUGE. It will be decades before the womens 400m is broken.
Whatever doping that is done by athletes today is on a MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH smaller scale than what Eastern Europeans did in the 80s.
This man got shot and still has the fragments in his body and still won 😯 no wonder why they started doping 🤦🏽♂️😂
I don't think people understand what may have happened to Greg. The blood banking system was down because it appeared to be causing AIDS. I designed the instrument that allowed Dr Kary Mullis to use his PCR chemistry and that was used to detect HIV. So Greg could not obtain a transfusion when he needed it. When he started racing again he was a mess. He then claimed that his doctor told him that he was low on iron and supposedly received iron shots and in the Tour he looked like a miracle. At the same time synthetic EPO was developed and it is possible that he gave Greg EPO. Now that would have been the prescription for his condition and I would not consider it cheating. But you have to remember that Greg hammers on Lance for using EPO. And Lance is one of the all time great egotists and worked very hard against Greg and his interests. So I think that Greg is carrying far too great a grudge against Lance and should let it slide because he could have been using the same materials as Lance, knowingly or not.
@@tomkunich9401 Soooo, what you're saying, Greg "might" have used EPO as a medication temporarily but he shouldn't hold a grudge against someone who willingly and purposefully used it to get them an advantage over the competition? 🤨 I might not get it correctly, so please correct me if I'm wrong
Darien James 🤣🤣
@@MrDani695 - Drugs of one sort or another have been used in every athletic endeavour since the start of the 20th century. Do you think that Lance was some sort of oddity? I'm of the opinion that they really don't do much and they can cause health problems. The answer isn't banning cheaters but having testing procedures that catch them 100% of the time.
Daniel Commandeur You’re getting plenty wrong. Cycling is one of the dirtiest “sports” ever. All of them are on it. The Americans, the Europeans. All of them.
Watching Lemond gracefully hit the EPO wall and choosing not to dope is my favorite part of cycling history.
And Lemond's lung capacity was ridiculous. 90 something!?
Are you stupid? Do you realize blood transfusions have the sake effect as epo and people were already doing those in lemonds time. All the Spanish riders were doing transfusions and you think lemond was beating them on bread and water? Get your head out your ass bro🤣
@@athousandpins lung capacity has nothing to do with endurance. What matters is your ability to turn that oxygen into power. You probably think Indurain was natural too lol.
@@abone2pick I’m definitely not stupid. Naive perhaps. Lemond had a vo2 max of 93 vs 78 for Lance. He states clearly that he never produced more than 400 watts. His accomplishments are mathematically possible. My question to you is where is the evidence and accusations of Lemond blood doping? Someone always comes out with a credible accusation. If Lemond was already cheating, why didn’t he start using EPO?
@@abone2pick greg indurain merx you name them.... just as clean as Lance. peoples heads are in the sand on this one. They simply need to reinstate Lances wins, other wise the sport remains a joke.
Back about 10 years ago Lemond participated in a charity cycle and my dad got to meet him and act as a chaperone. The only way to describe him is as a pure gentleman! Like he turned up early, chatted with everyone and was the last person to leave at the end of the day after talking and signing everyone. He even offered my dad some breakfast.
Wow, what a great video young lady... makes me feel more proud to be an American....to see the true coming out thanks to the Greg Lemond after so much time.... He is a Hero period!!!!
Yeah I remember meeting Greg after a mountain stage at the coors classic in reno.I was a young puppy but what I remember of all the riders who just nonchalantly signed a autograph Not.Greg when Signing my little kids cap looked me in the eye & held it for a second.As a fellow northern nevadan he should be way more appreciated here.Screw that ahole from Austin.Greg was all class.
Great Episode! Something that wasn't mentioned in the video: Lemond had been sexually abused during his childhood, but not many knew about it. Floyd Landis threatened to tell the press about it and embarrass Lemond if he decided to testify against him. So during his testimony, Lemond revealed the abuse to beat him to it. Lemond now does advocacy work for abuse victims. Another piece of evidence about why Lemond is a good person and more Americans should know about him!
Edit: Landis threatened him, not Lance
I did not think I could dislike Armstrong more, but here we are.
Whatva terrible human.
Greg the good person had to get sued by the doctors that saved his life (and lost) as he did not want to pay his medical bills
@@jenspetersen5865 ouch. that sux
Yeah, the documentary called All or nothing is really good at explaining the beef also. Great video.
@@jenspetersen5865 So what exactly is your point? Armstrong's a better person cus he lied to get money to pay his doctors.
Dang. I really feel bad for Greg. The sport that you love, cherished, and rewrote history for, completely shunned you for 12 years for something you were right about the whole time. Yeah he was reinstated but those 12 years never go away. Great video and story btw SB Nation
Greg is a little ninny, sourpuss.
Greg was almost certainly doping just like everyone else when he was champion. When EPO came around he had reached the end of his career and wasn't willing to make the health sacrifice it took to continue winning. Over and over we've seen dopers be the most vocal anti-doping advocates as a means to stay relevant past their peak and I've over it.
@@83Henno He's a hell of a lot braver than you'll ever be.
ninnys don't win a 3500km race a year after taking a shotgun blast to the chest
@@TheBrainSpecialist exactly
THE BRAIN SPECIALIST Armstrong completely destroyed him in every facet of life
Lemond: “I’m gonna win this thing again with bullets in my lungs.”
Lance: “I’m gonna win with no balls.”
Lance: "I'll go down in history as the worst cheater in the history of sport."
Lemond: three time champion
Armstrong: zero time champion
Technically one ball
@@rbrobyn1 Our roid up guy beat your roid up guy
@@wvu05 Zero (*) time champion. If not for the stripping, he'd won 7 yellows.
LeMond was my hero back as a kid in the nineties. I'm so glad that his legacy remains untarnished by Armstrong's bullshit and bullying.
He's dirty too, get over it.
@@zym6687 Evidence?
@@Lerch-zc3ww do you really believe there was something magical happening between 1978 and 1995 when hinault, le mond and indurain reigned? Like suddenly the riders all just stopped doping cause they got together in a room and decided it was bad.... Or rather that they just lived in a time when they were ahead of the establishment and it wasn't till late in Armstrong's era that they finally caught up
@@Phrolox that's possible, being 'ahead of the establishment,' just doubt Lemond wd question LA about 'doping' if he had been a doping himself.
One might have to look at when this EPO was first developed and who were the earliest users. I know something was being used in the '70s, just look at the Pittsburgh Steelers.
This may have been the best Beef History yet. I've never cared about cycling, but this was great
I know right? I've watched all the hockey beefs without even knowing most of the teams in the NHL
This is my favorite sports series on RUclips
I’d agree this one is by far the most intriguing, mostly I think because it’s not one of the big 4
Why don’t you try to watch The Armstrong Lie documentary. It’s awesome.
You should, Cycling is awesome. If you want an American Rider to root for, look up Brandon McNulty, he's an American Supertalent.
definitely agreed
Fun fact: After coming back from being shot, Greg Lemond won the 1989 Tour by 8 seconds. 2000 miles of cycling and the margin of victory was just 8 seconds.
The guy he beat, Laurent Fignon, had a ponytail. If he didn’t he would have won. Think about that.
I can remember watching it live on TV, age 11. It was won in a time trial on the final stage. Had such an affect on methat I took up cycling for my whole youth. He is a living legend.
Another fun fact: legendary cycling commentator José de Cauwer was Greg's team leader and nagged the jury about using time trial bars the night before the final time trial. They allowed it. If he didn't, he would have never won
@@onnomeeuwis4001 I can remember how much the French press hated them claiming they were dangerous. And the same summer everyone at my local cycling club who could afford them would buy a pair, 'Scott' Triathelon bars. Because Triatheletes where the to use them.
To this day that tour is still by far my favorite. That rivalry was epic between Lemond and Fignon. I must admit I enjoyed the Lance Armstrong days of cycling. He was inhuman, a titan....until we found out he was cheating do achieve that level of capability. However, even before I knew about the cheating, Lemond was still by far my favorite of the two riders. Lemond's grace and love of the sport eclipsed Armstrong in so many ways. I always hated how the cycling world turned on him.
Damn I feel so bad for LeMond, no one believed him while he was right all along.
I did
A lot of people knew. And for the record, anyone that was competitive during that time was doping.
Greg was a jelly fish
Greg Lemmon a profesional forever and ever 🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉
I believed him. Not because I was such a huge fan (though I was); Lemond was the ONLY rider who advocated for increased doping controls WHILE HE WAS WINNING.
I met Greg in Beaver Creek. He recounted His story for me. He was such a nice guy. It was a pleasure to listen to him.
The Greg Lemond 30 for 30: Slaying the Badger is awesome. He's one of the most under appreciated cyclist of all time.
He has a 30 for 30? Nice.
I think u mean cycling is under-appreciated as a whole. The small percentage of people that are actually into the sport definitely appreciate and celebrate that dude’s career. He just wasn’t the media juggernaut sensation that was Lance Armstrong - who was the only cyclist that broke into the mainstream.
I was hoping there was a movie or something on Greg.
He wasnt drug free by the way.
vetoland92
I don’t know where you are from but I’m from Holland and he’s a god as is Eric Heiden (American speedskater). It’s probably because cycling isn’t a major sport in your country. Where I’m from it’s a way of life.
Greg LeMond's courage is the stuff of legends. He won the Tour de France by himself with his own team (lead by Bernard 'The Badger' Hinault) attempting to sabotage him. He GOT SHOT AND WAS BASICALLY ON THE BRINK OF DEATH, came back, and won two more TDFs against top competition. Then he antagonized probably the most beloved athlete WORLDWIDE for more than a decade because he was standing his ground on what he knew was right. His character is inspiring, it's ridiculous.
@Christy Dolan Hmmm maybe I'm speaking from my own experience, but, in Colombia (where cycling is huge) he was BELOVED. When Livestrong started every Colombian city kid had a Livestrong band around their wrist, and they dreamed of becoming Lance Armstrong.
@Christy Dolan He was beloved, a media darling. I loved him too - now his very name throws me into a rage.
@@jorgeeduardodussanvillanue46 How excited is Columbia about Bernal? Congratulations, by the way. Got to see him up close at a Tour of California before it went defunct...
@@dorseykindler9544 We're obviously very excited. The man is a beast, and now that Nairo is clearly on the decline he is our new hero. Everyone is routing for him and I was so excited to see him compete this year but well, COVID-19 happened. Still he has an amazing future, he reached the height of a TDF win and he is extremely young and disciplined. His head is in the right place, and he is a complete inspiration. Also, little detail, it's Colombia* not Columbia ;)
@@jorgeeduardodussanvillanue46 My mistake. Cheers!
I've watched a couple documentaries on Lance. I think the way he treated LeMond and other accusers is even worse than the doping. He's a great athlete and most other cyclists were doping too, so he basically won on an even playing field. But he was horrific to a lot of people, and deserves all the backlash he receives (for the doping and lying too).
Totally agree think the stripping of his titles isn’t just because of the doping but he was a real bully and wasn’t just a coping bystander but he was a pioneer in doping cycling which is a shame because he’s top ten all time cyclists
No, it was not a level playing field. Yes, pretty much everyone on the tour was doping at the time, but some people respond differently to PED, and he had the most sophisticated doping program. To give him any credit with the "everybody does it" excuse is absurd.
@@wvu05 So cheating like everyone else would have been OK in your book ?? If your going to cheat; cheat to win and the notion that he cheated different and so that was "real" cheating as compared to "just" cheating like the rest is what's absurd. The idea that everyone responds different is true; again not his fault is he reacted better than anyone and ended up winning. In my opinion the cycling world didn't like the fact he trained for 1 race every year. He took a American outlook on cycling win the biggest prize and be the best. And yes he did what the rest did take PED's ... cheating is cheating and say there are different "levels" of cheating is sour grapes on your part.
@@bonny2993 Sour grapes on my part? Yes, because I was a cyclist who was mad that he cheated better than me. No, I oppose all cheating, and my point was that the idea of "a level playing field because everyone cheats" is absurd. The only thing that is level is that all who did it are frauds and deserve all the scorn that they get. If they want to show true repentance or uncover the corruption so it won't pollute the sport. Apparently, you would rather spend your time defending frauds and cheats. That says far more about you than it does about me.
@@cameronyoung1473 cheater Lance deserved being stripped of all titles and banned from cycling for life. He took cheating to the top level, and was (and is) a completely corrupt individual.
The whole cycling sport owes Greg LeMond SOOOO much.
The way she says "huh weird" very fast and abruptly gets me every time
LOL
This video is a complete joke and lemons was not natural
@@apexridersreview1752 lol@lemons
Too Buzzfeed-ish for me
I was looking for this comment! LOL
Gotta say, I wasn't really sure about Clara when I first start seeing her cover the beef videos (I think that's just because I was used to Seth and plus change is weird), but she's great and she has that type of dry humor that Seth has and I think that it's wonderful haha
My first impression of her was that Kevin Garnett video in which she was... unreasonably mean towards KG. Which, I guess, is fair, considering how he acted on the court, but... idk, felt awkward.
It’s her or Seth only for me. Beef History, Rewinder and Collapse
Disagree. Voice too nasely. Sorry but put someone else behind the mic
Yeah this is probably one of the worst. The "sarcasm" or attempts at them sound like a book on tape.
@@BT-gf2ze agreed
Whenever I am feeling a little down, I just remember that I am tied with Lance Armstrong in Tour de France titles.
He did win one stage of the tour in 93 that still in the books so don't be too happy either.
@@abone2pick I'm talking wins, my man. I'm still feeling good.
@@lovelessissimo you shouldn't. Lance still a national champ from 91 and world champ from 93,. What have you accomplished?
@@abone2pick So how many overall Tour De France titles does Armstrong have?
@Jackson Five lmao no One talking to you boy . Go find attention somewhere else
Lance was my childhood hero. The only reason why I watched Tour de France. It felt too good to be true when he won 7 straight titles, well it was exactly that.
Right on !!! & times TDF winner .
Hold up, man she murdered this. I was thoroughly entertained. Her comedic timing and wittiness was A+++. Hope to see her covering more beef history. I was skeptical at first, but she grabbed my attention and never let go. I was very impressed. GREAT JOB!!!! 👍🏾
On the first video she hosted I left a comment saying I loved her witty humor and would love to see more of her. I like to think sb nation saw that comment and did as I asked
Disagree
@@proudpennsylvaniaman7996 Hard Disagree
I agree she was amaaaazing
isnt everything written by someone else though? she is just the narrator
Some of the best writing I've heard in one of these episodes. So clear, so fluid.
Donovan Pimentel they need more Clara videos!!
What? This is her commenting ain't a soul in this world that likes her narrative crap.
@@utrube She's honestly the best of the SB narrators. This is not saying the others are bad. The nerdy, wit style takes a bit getting used to, but so far it's been damn good work.
@@utrube I don't want to push you into the sexist corner, but I enjoyed this episode a lot, completely independent from her being a women.
Man, y’all not gonna believe what Lance Armstrong is up to these days. This episode aged like fine wine.
Anyone who is a long member of the cycling community dating back to: even before, Lemond knows about this. Lemond was a truly powerful cyclist from the time he was a Junior. One of his Professional World titles was won with a busted rear wheel against one of the greatest sprinters of the time ( Sean Kelly ). He also competed in most ;if not all, of the Classics. Greg is very personable and enjoys helping others out. Lance is very egotistical, he just loves himself. I remember when he was a Junior triathlete, which he was very good. When he entered Pro-cycling the team first had Phil Anderson as his Mentor. Phil described him as a good rider and will be a good domestique ( a good worker ) for the team. I was in the business then and when Lance started to overpower the top riders, the first thing that came to my mind was doping. See Greg was always a top rider Lance wasn't.
Floyd Landis won in 06'
But his cheating was so ridiculous he couldn't cover it up longer and lost his TDF a year later.
Stage 17 2006 TDF, Landis probably had more drugs in him than blood.
Yeah, I love Clara and I love Beef History and I love SB Nation videos, but that's a pretty glaring oversight right off the bat.
i remember watching that stage live, it was unbelievable. he was literally superhuman, riding past other elite riders on climbs like they were standing still. in particular i remember seeing the look in the other riders' eyes as he smoked them all, the bug eyed disbelief. landis was probably the domino that finally needed to fall to give the sport the will to end doping - a reigning winner caught red handed and green blooded.
Especially since Landis lost huge amount of time the previous stage. All sudden BOOM he's not only he's making up time, he's destroying the pack.
@@kicking222 I think for the sake of brevity, they glossed over his part. But you are right, it was an important part of the story. The full story of LeMond v Armstrong would need an hour plus.
So, the thing with that is, Landis effectively was riding that race under protest. They pinged him on Stage 17, so unlike, Armstrong, or Riis, or Contador they had him nailed while the race was still underway. It was like, he was out, but in case the test turned out wrong, it'd be weird to have have cost the winner his chance at a title.
really liking the combos we've had with Clara narrating and talking about sports outside of the 4 major ones in America, as fun as those are. bunch of stories I was too young for or never heard before. keep it up, SB Nation
I was too young to be around when this story happened but old enough to hear people talk about it and not know what was going on. This seriously has been eye opening.
Lemond was so physically gifted, not saying he wasn't mentally tough, but physically he was was not just in rare air, those in rare air knew he was even more gifted
I met Greg in 2000? in Beaver Creek. He was so generous to spend about 10 minutes recounting the shooting and some tour stories. Such a nice man.
Greg LeMond's last stage time trial comeback to win the 1989 tour was one of the greatest moments in sports history, never mind cycling.
Brainjock well he was right so...
It was thrilling to watch, & I’m not a cyclist. My stepfather is, & was a fan of Fignon, but I was secretly rooting for Greg👍🏻
Big cycling fan here, you absolutely nailed this
Agreed! Wish they made a show about the Badger.
@@bruhmagic1323 badgers don't ride bikes...they run on all 4's in the wild..but seeing a badger on a bike would get me watching cycling
@@mrimportant4787 Can’t tell if this is a joke or not. I think it is...😂
@@bruhmagic1323 lol...what do u think?go with your gut
@@mrimportant4787 definitely a joke.
Greg Lemond is an American hero. Lance Armstrong is a bullying zero. That's the beef.
This is an outstanding and revealing restating of the history. Thank you for it!
Clara was simply wonderful! She has that special way to narrate things that keeps you interested. Clap clap!
She’s easy on the eyes too
Would be even better if she could pronounce the name of the race properly instead of mixing French and English
SB Nation, if you do one more cycling video, Greg's comeback win in the 1989 tour vs Laurent Fignon was truly epic. Would make a great rewinder episode
The infamous 1989 final stage time trial, where Lemond had such a legendary time trial, and basically introduced aero helmets and aero bars to road cycling, that he made the final day of the tour a real edge of your seat event, and won on the final day. Something almost no one else has done. It would be an amazing Rewinder episode to go with Phil Liggett's "THE CROWD HAS REALIZED IT, LAURENT FIGNON HAS LOST THE TOUR DE FRANCE" call.
I remember when everyone wore a Livestrong wristband in the mid 2000’s...
I remember I used to rock those sunglasses that they made
I still wear one.
Every one was a dollar raised for cancer research
Had one still want one now lol
Mines is in a junk drawer somewhere.
This video was done so well and the narration was amazing. Great work for sure. Lance got me into cycling and statistically did so for hundreds of thousands of people during his time. Never in my life experiences someone be such a hero and such a villain at the same time lol
That was one of my favorite comments ever on RUclips. So many people were huge Lance fans and still fully support him and look past his cheating. Or just make lame excuses for him. You on the other hand appreciate some good he did for you and others but admit what he did was wrong. It's kinda a refreshing comment to read because I'd agree 100% with it.
We could have a collapse on Lance Armstrong’s career
I suggested this last year. Everyone told me it isn't accurate all because he retired before getting exposed
He doesn't deserve one
why his collapse would include his entire pro career since he cheated his entire career
I mean they could put an interesting take on it like instead of it being about his career it's about how things came out and what was said about him to ruin his career even stuff like how he refuted it at first
@@darianmonaghan4920 more like his entire life, since he's pretty much black listed from every organization, even his own non-profit organization that he started.
Loving the "Uh, weird" inputs! This is exactly how all Lance Armstrong stories should be told; with ridicule and mockery just as he did to all others that questioned him early on.
Never seen or heard of beef history before. I've just been searching for this story having accidentally watched the programme. THIS was a million times better. Thank you 🙌🏾.
You, Madam, have a great comedic talent. Listening to this story was a joy.
The “public diarrhea” bit lolol
Man my admiration for LeMond just went up. Might just be the only clean champion for the last 30 years.
As a Colombian I hope Egan doesn't dope, but he's signed by INEOS so he's probably gonna develop gills soon. Still, it's a great sport but doping is just basically second nature on it. It's sad. Also yeah LeMond is a beast, I admire him deeply.
mmmh that's highly unlikely haha
bongo 155 has it right. Cadel Evans was clean. lrony is the same people/person hired both Lance and Cadel to their first pro contracts. Lance with Motorola and Cadel with Volvo/Canondale for mountain biking. One the greatest cheater and fraud in all of sport, the other a champion in two sports with tremendous integrity while all of his competition was cheating and he knew it.
Do we know this for sure...?! That's what we say about all the other dopers who never got caught...!🤔
Likely Sastre was clean too.
At least Lance made a cameo appearance on Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story
Yes, yes he did.
Also, lest us never forget, Average Joes never would have won without Chuck Norris! Thank you again Chuck!
Man that scene did not age well
Rich Affinito I’m with you guys it’s actually the number one scene in the movie that I remember now, because of everything that happened.
He was also in Tour De Pharmacy.
He even cheated in Dodgeball because he only had one ball to dodge!
Armstrong is so toxic, that even cancer left and hasn't been back.
Cancer recovered from having Lance Armstrong.
@@GinkgoPete I LOL reading that!
Brilliant joke! I wish I came up with that one! Bravo!
Hahaha good one
Yo ! Crazy funny statement !
I've followed the career of these men since before the internet. Fantastic retelling of their story. Great production. You have a amazing voice too.
"Everybody, turn in your yachts..."
LMFAOOOOOOOO BILLY
Ol Billy Red Balls
I really enjoy Clara doing Beef History. She has the perfect amount of snark for it
The “Huh, weird” about Lance’s career taking off with the advent of EPO lol
“Huh weird” HAS ME SCREAMING
I love these beef history videos, but I think Clara Morris is my favorite writer/presenter. Very clever and funny stuff. Keep up the good work!
It's important to understand how shocking Greg LeMond's victories were - he wasn't just the first American to win. He was the first person who wasn't from Western Europe to win - that's how tight knit the European cycling scene was. Even now, there's only been 3 non-Europeans - Greg, one Australian and one Colombian.
Lance Armstrong dated Cheryl Crow....huh weird. Lol 😂
And unceremoniously dumped her (coincidentally, she had cancer) to date the one of the blond twins... don't remember the name now. High life indeed!
@@tychoMX No, his first wife left him while he was dying.
*Sheryl
Pretty “nut” huh?
Lady, you are an awesome announcer! As they say in cycling, "Chapeau"
I love watching your shows the narrating the background music the pictures, the video footage it all blends together so well I've just subscribed I can wait to watch some more of them (thank-you) 🤘😊😊😊🤘
I didn’t know Seth Meyers won the Tour de France in 1986
If we're including disgraced dopers in the list, Floyd Landis also "won"
he raced in armstrongs team so they had the infrastructure
@True Gooner That is the angle that Armstrong supporters still use. But I would say that all it proves is who has the best pharmacist and dr (in his case, Ferrari)
@True Gooner it would. There's nothing wrong with allowing doping in sports.
@@endcensorship874 right, because Lance, or Fabian, or anyone else, had not a single inch of skill? It was all doping?
True Gooner sort of, but not really. Because certain teams had better access to the best doping programs. The postal service had more money, so it was way easier to do the best and most efficient EPO, and avoid being caught. So it’s not truly a level playing field. But it’s still insane lance didn’t crash out or have a single bad day over 7 straight years.
Just found your channel. Amazing. Love your work and narration! Cheers
This was a really good summary of Lemond and Armstrong. It helped to round out my understanding of the whole Armstrong centered drama. I had never heard of the shooting that Lemond had to endure. Turkey loads are with bigger pellets and are heavier loads too! The fact is I think I'm fairly objective with my thinking on all of this since I never really got wrapped up into competitive cycling news when it was all going on.
Get Lance Armstrong to pay LeMond all of the money he had earned as compensation for 12 years of hell
Why ?
Lemond literally made money off attacking lance with all those stupid books and movies him and David Walsh did on him🤣 notice how lemond never attacked anyone else that was doping ... Just the guy with money.
Clara this was excellent, I'm so glad you're a part of SB Nation, your contributions have been tremendous
I really enjoyed your story. I'm a big cycling fan. Keep up the great work!
Greg is the man!! Easy to talk to and the second least arrogant pro athlete I have have ever had the honor to meet.
I worked with Dr. Eric Heiden as he went through his Ortho residency internship. Both men an honor to meet. Treated me like a human. They both wear my artwork.
Beef History: Alberto Contador and beef
Astana and beef. Russian athletes and beef. And so on
Vroome and Inhaler
@@9034833838 Movistar and a coherent strategic approach
@@MatthiasG1899 Let's wait 4-5 years. Its gonna turn out movistar was good but valverde was sucking life force out of landa and nairoman and hence they bombed.
Team RadioShack and beef
Everyone doped, but Lance was a mafia boss about it. That’s why he loses my respect.
I’ve always found the frequency of asthma among the cycling elite to be rather curious.
Great Coverage! Well Done lots of research done in order to get this right! I always was a Greg fan i have had the same struggles with the sport of Weightlifting
This is my favourite one. Clara’s so good at these videos.
Damn last time I was this early Lance Armstrong wasn't caught doping
"But beef doesn't retire." Love that line lol
Fantastic Video! Thanks Clara Morris, Excellent work
Great episode. Good voice. Entertaining voice over. Thank you.
I can't wait till we get a Harden Giannis beef
That does sound exciting The beef has a promising outset but I think that's going to be a while
We got a loooooooooooooooot of beef ahead of us in that
There’s not a whole lot there tho
It's simmering 😁
But it will be served up hot!
You mean the guy who said that taking off from the free throw line and dunking the basketball takes no skill ?.
8:07 David Walsh is IRISH not british.
I caught that.
Same thing
oh ok. yippee doo!!!
Gonna chime in with a "technically", here - if he's writing for a British paper, that would make him a British journalist in one sense of the word, as he is participating in British journalism. If he were in America writing for the New York Times, by one usage of the word he would be an American journalist. I'm not disagreeing that it could have been made more clear, and I can't guarantee that Clara recognized that Walsh was Irish, but it's not 100% incorrect.
@@roguishpaladin Emmmm.... does that follow that if Greg LeMond was riding for a French Cycling Team it would make him a French Cyclist, so as a French Cyclist riding for a French team, when he won the Tour de France, it would have made him a French Winner ??.... LeMond kinda sounds French anyway......
Then again, if Armstrong was riding for The US Postal Service.... that would have made him a Postman....
My favorite aside to the camera quote: "Wow, what a good guy!" Nicely crafted summary of two Americans, book-ending 20 years of cycling history.
Nice story...I loved Greg Lemond when I was little. 1989 tour was the most exciting tour and the won the world championships that year too. Guy was a beast!
You are a phenomenal storyteller. All of you do such a great job. I can't get enough of it.
As a young 19 year old, I always heard about this from my dad but never knew the whole story and it was entertaining as hell. Great job as always SB Nation.
Such a cool mini documentary. Great work....
I dont even like cycling but I love this series too much. This one, Collapse, and Untitled are so entertaining.
If he would’ve stayed retired and shut his mouth, he would’ve been fine probably. That would be insane if we never knew
Yes he would have been the best "clean" bicycle rider ever.
I hope we hear even more from Clara in the future!
Clara "but beef doesn't reitire" Morris
11:00 how did Greg’s lawyer allow lance’s agent to ghost write the quote and wasn’t it obvious that that’s not what greg would say under an ordinary situation
Beef history never lets me down. Great work!
Your - wit, sense of Irony & timing, & sarcasm is absolutely brilliant & an absolute joy. You offer a great insight on People's thought processes & behaviour, all through the timeline of this historical event.
Fascinating, love this episode!!!
Clara's narration is comedy gold! Love her videos
Please do a Rewinder about “The Double Doink”.
Yes!
please no
"The Chicago Bears' Double Doink Needs a Deep Rewind"
musyarofah1 im begging u :(
Wow. Fantastic narration and video!
Fantastic 👍.. Appreciate the content 😁..
Giannis Antetekoumnpo and James Harden Beef History (wait until its over)
Yeah people think giannis is all soft and nice but nah he's got a bit of bite
Please we need to give the nba beef time to cultivate. These are the best
Love the optimism that these will still be happening in... 10 years?
Oh wow, a cycling themed video. YES!!!!! I would LOVE to see a rewinder of the 21st stage of the 1989 Tour De France. It involves Greg Lemond btw.
I've met Greg before it's so sad how basically we threw him in the garbage for someone who ended up being found out to be a huge liar.
What a great story, told in a great way! Thank you!
The "Wow, what a good guy" right after Armstrong admitted doping on Oprah is comic timing at its best.
Beef History: Seattle Mariners vs Winning
jazziraz I would love that, but also I would cry 😭
They already have a Legacy of Failure vid, watch that :P
Ouch.
Jon Boris got u
This video makes me think Clara was born to tell Beef History man. This video is a work of art, ESPECIALLY the script. Ryan Simmons also a mastermind
I'm not a cycling fan at all but loved this video just shows why they're so popular the people making the videos are so talented you make them so interesting thanks
“But beef doesn’t retire” lol. Great episode and i love the new presenter. Great voice and funny as hell.
I've literally never cared about cycling in my life, this was awesome. Well done
"Huh, weird."
You guys are amazing🙌🏾👌🏾
Oooooffff “British journalist David walsh” Irish people ain’t going to like that! Still a good video tho haha
yep
Anybody who gets offended at the mislabelling of the nationality of an investigative journalist in a context where it has no relevance at all might be insane
@@HkFinn83 it's just Irish people hate the British like hate them
@@leoandrews6995 I’m Irish nobody cares. Well nobody with half a brain. People into nationalism are truly the dregs of humanity
Not insane, given that this mistake happens so often. All the more surprising given how famous Walsh is in the Armstrong story
Clara is such a great broadcaster! I know this story well, but her presentation made it fresh and exciting. Like and subscribed.