Asperger's Syndrome vs. Nonverbal LD: The Same or Different?
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
- Asperger's Syndrome and Nonverbal Learning Disabilities share many characteristics but are not the same. Watch and listen as NCLD's LD expert, Dr. Sheldon H. Horowitz, offers a detailed overview of these disorders in one of a growing library of "Ask the Expert" videos at www.LD.org.
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When I think of Asperger syndrome I think of the rain man.
Hi, I'm trying to understand the difference (or overlap) between trauma/psychogenic mutism, selective mutism and NVLD. How do I distinguish between them please? Does it make any difference? Can trauma result in NVLD? What specialist do I need? I have diagnosed PTSD in remission with my earliest trauma at 3 1/2yrs with no reported regressions (but this may not have been identified in the early 80s as I didn't attend pre-school). My "stuck" symptom is that my voice/mind "freezes" when there is a non-consensual expectation of me to ask, invite, speak, negotiate or sing, especially by persons known to me at the time of the traumatic experience. The NVLD description resonates with me far more than asp. syndrome. Any help is appreciated!
Recently the comedian Chris Rock found out he has NVLD and I was listening to him on a morning radio show. When he described it I said OMG that's my son. I'm in California and my son has always been apart of the special ed program at school since 2nd grade. He is now 27 years old with a BA in Journalism and a minor in Political Science from the University of Nevada, Reno Class of 2015. He was apart of the disability services program there. His grade school always told me he had A.D.D and that he was just also a slower learner. I told my son to listen to the broadcast of Chris Rock. Well today he calls me all excited like Mom Mom that's me‼️ I have a Non Verbal Learning Disorder. I said a what? He goes the same thing Chris Rock has. He said I went on RUclips and researched it and found all kinds of videos. I told him to send me the videos and he sent me yours. Yes, you described my son to a tee with the list at the bottom and some of the list at the top for NVLD. I'm so happy we can finally put a name to it. Thank you thank you so much. My son is so happy and relieved. He just kept saying Mom I'm not slow. See I'm not a slow learner. My son has always done gotten good grades in school it was just a struggle for him. Mainly like the list says Math was so hard for him especially the word problems.
Unfortunately I wasn’t diagnosed with NVLD until I was in my 40s. It sure would have been a useful to know in school when I was struggling so much.
I have non verbal learning disability symptoms . I had thought I was ADHD or Autistic. I am 52 years old and seeing this now. I have trouble with jobs and I do not drive. I feel sad but at least I have more understanding now to see what is going on. I thought it was also PTSD. My dad used to yell at me RIGHT!! I said RIGHT! and I didn't understand. I always needed the teacher's help with art projects that were dimensional and I get lost a lot. Lol. This makes many things clear to me. I always needed help with assembling things. My daughter assembled the futon couch. I tried and put things backwards. My new juicer just fell apart and I said this only has a few pieces and I do not know how to put it together that's when I felt compelled to look up learning disabilities and found out. I would freeze up throughout my life and feel so estranged and awkward but thanks to God. Thanks be to God because he is AWESOME.
@Beatrix In Christ I wanna look into that. Thanks!
I was diagnosed with NVLD when I was 12, but I am decent at math and scored 780/800 on the old SAT (out of 2400). I also believe that I have strong logical reasoning skills, as I scored a 178 on the LSAT and found the logic games portion of the exam to be the easiest section. However, I have a lot of trouble with spacial relationships and organization. I struggled with physics in school (often regarded as an empirical science), and I believe this is due to the fact it is quite an abstract subject, which requires a great deal of visual thinking. My main issue with English is related to my inability to organize/format papers (as opposed to reading/writing abilities). I also have social issues and tend to ramble/lose my train of thought/am hyper-focused on certain topics (to the point of obsession in some cases). I hate physical contact, I have no friends and I wear the outfit every day (I have multiple pairs of the exact same trousers and shirts). People find it strange and they used to make comments when I was in school. People think I am rude and unemotional. I do feel a great deal of empathy, but I have trouble expressing it and often come across as cold/ unanimated/ depressing to be around
I come across that way. It's like being locked in cage.
Well I’m not really sure why people find these “quirks” in anyone depressing to be around, I always gravitate towards these people and can spot y’all a mile off! I love a good “unboxing” of these people it’s almost obsessive..who couldn’t be fascinated by the pathways of a human “wired” differentl..especially if like me..you are woke to the fact that We are all spiritual beings having a human experience.💁🏽♀️
Then Teasing apart the “fibre optic’s of uniquely misunderstood human experience is a gift and an experience to be appreciated in of its self. I think your all amazing and I’m humbled in your presence 🎤
💟🔥☮️🇳🇿
I have Aspergers and have a friend who has Non Verbal Learning Disorder and we clash a lot.
This really does explain a lot! Thank u!
Thank you for breaking it down so beautifully, speaking slowly and clearing and repeating. You are a good teacher.
yea. I wish I had teachers like this my whole life. If i did, I wouldnt be middle aged and on the brink of homelessness due to lack of aquired career education.
Try to keep the faith aeromeba. Believe me, I know it is a grind!
I have been diagnosed with both. More specifically, the first diagnostic dr said I have Nonverbal LD, but Social Security says I have Aspergers because they sent me to a diagnostic dr that doesn't believe in nvld. So I know just how this is and it's great for this guy to explain it clearly!
Even after being diagnosed I at times thought my diagnosis was wrong because I honestly thought I had high functioning autism. This explains so much and cements the diagnosis for me of NVLD.
I actually just got diagnosed with NVLD today and I have to say that after watching this video and the one specifically about NVLD that ALOT of things in my life are starting to make ALOT of sense...
this is the only video ive seen on NVLD that explains things in a way that someone with NVLD can understand
Thanks for all the information I feel like I get myself more clearly now
I have NVLD, thank you for clearing up some of my confusions.
My diagnosis was weird because I was split right in the middle. For NVLD, I’m good at reading and great at writing (according to my family and teachers, and even a few of my friends). For Asperger’s, I struggle in Math, and I have interests in quite a few things (writing, DC comics, forensic science, and learning languages like Spanish and ASL). I am sensitive to some loud things (like yelling or fighting), but not with other loud things (music, especially). I’m not the greatest at social communication, like anyone on the spectrum, but I try to show my empathy, even when it’s too much, despite what many people think about others who are on the spectrum. I know it’s different for everybody on the spectrum, but sometimes I feel I have to figure which one I lean closer to in order to understand myself better. Maybe you guys understand what I’m talking about..?
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I'm bad at reading I'm a 6th grade and have a 3rd grade reading lelel
@@mr.slavish8961 my interests would be music,history,enjoy learning reading books about how to deal with anxiety/Psycology,I would love to learn how to speak sign language and spanish.I enjoy to educate myself on my free time.I notice that I can give eye contact but then It feels awkward so I loose eye contact and doze off in another direction.Im not trying to be rude.I also notice once I'm done focusing on one thing I like to focus on another thing.When I went to college,writing skills were really high.
I loved to skate but hated being on a team. I don't like baby showers or birthday party. When I do go to social gathering Im awkward and anxious. I love to read and paint and I love music so much! All genres. I'm in my 40s now so I kayak and play darts. I don't have any friends except maybe a hand full thru out my life. I hate small talk!! I don't know how to fit in. And sadly a few of my kids are the same way. I can't get into stuff like the kardashians or celebs. I love true crime and I dig into certain cases for months!!
I am in a similar situation. I’m fine with my diagnosis but what is presented in this video makes me think either diagnosis could apply- the assessment is an outsider perspective, i know within myself what ELSE might be different or have been misunderstood
I’m here to understand my new work colleague x much love x am trying!
The expert is the person who lives the diagnosis. They suffer the trauma of people not understanding their behavior. They suffer the trauma of people isolating them for the way they behave. I have not heard one expert define Nonverbal learning Disability as Unintentional Behavior.
This isn't a very convincing set of differences. A visual vs auditory thinking style and attributing attention to detail vs fascination feels like a stretch. Sensory differences are also not addressed here. This feels like aspergers adjusted to perhaps a more "female" presentation.
This is ultimately the problem with medicine. There are huge groups of old fogies sitting around and arguing about things until they agree on definitions and then suddenly you end up with 1000 definitions of variations on essentially the same problem.
thanks to ncld for understanding
I have both I guess
I really like your videos. I wish you could do one on Cognitive disorder N.O.S because there hasnt been anyone knowledgeable or who relates to my experience. To further isolate this experience, there isnt even any youtube videos really on it. Do you have any knowledge? If so, please make a video on it. thanks
Start at NLD RECOGNITION and work your way through. What neuro- psychological disorder has been compared and contrasted to the highest level of government officials? Yes, NLD SYNDROME has problems with CONTRASTING and COMPARISON. Find out whose behaviors has been out of controlled but given the opportunity to run our country and be INCLUDED. Who has been OUSTED? Remember never view yourself as disable. You have an extraordinary mind, unique abilities, and multi-level learning style.
@LdOrg could you please do an update on this? Also would be great if you could do a video about overlap between Austism Spectrum Disorder, NVLD, ADHD and other neuro-developmental disabilities?
Anxiety and Awkwardness with social settings are common symptoms. It's not a Disease it's a Disorder that affects your brain development.
I was diagnosed with PDD-NOS when I was 10 months old, now I just identity myself as a person who is dignosed with Autism and / or Atypical Autism!
I was dxed with NVLD at the age of around 40 (i'm in my 70s). I"m a visual learner, have had strong (and some think perhaps) interests in a certain topics ( aka only read about space and space science for about 5 years), particular trouble with auditory skills, good at reading (and spelling) and not so good in math though. I also have sensory problems (like to sounds, textures, touch, light, etc). But I saw an LD specialist (at Northwestern University). I've often joked that it has to do with which specialist you see.
I was diagnosed with NVLD last year when I was 55 years old. The only thing my school cared about was grades so I really never got any help for it. I have made 6 comedy indy movies and I do Stand Up. I specialize in comedy. I always hated Math especially Algebra and I always excelled in Reading and Writing but sucked at spelling.
I got diagnosed with nvld but when I was in school I got 90's in math I then went into game development and programming which is both an artistic mathematical course and excelled in both areas
Your diagnosis is probably inaccurate then. No maths difficulty, no NVLD.
@@HellenCW
Depends on.
NVLD basically means slow processing, taking extra long time to learn new formulas, to figure things out in unfamiliar settings. But you'll get there eventually, as long as you try really hard.
New formulas become easier to learn once you become familiar with formulas.
And NVLD people tend to have great long-term memory.
I have NVLD but I had great grades in math thanks to rote learning.
@@JohnDoe10350 you are correct in what you say about learning formulas. It was the same for me. I graduated as an architect even though I have NVLD. I was referring to arithmetics, being able to do mental calculations is not easy for NVLD persons.
I had a learning disability/speach impediment growing up with a child,I question if I had asbergers,but I might just have the non verbal learning disability.I would have to get tested.
I have aspergers and I'm married to a woman with nonverbal-LD.
We have challenges.
She lacks spacial recognition, logic and other mathematical understandings that I excel at.
I lack auditory and verbal communication skills.
My husband I do not have either disorder, but we are opposites in many ways. His strengths are often my struggles. My strengths are often things he struggles with.
This can be a good thing. When couples complement eachother, they can accomplish things that neither partner can accomplish alone.
With AS and NLD, communication can be a problem. Have you guys considered marriage counseling?
Interesting you should say you have challenges. It has been suggested to me that a NVLD should me an Asperbergers for a date. I didn't think it was a good idea because of the similarities, not the differences.
Do people with these disabilities only date others with these same disabilities?
@@keithkarvelis82 no, our dating preferences are individual just like anyone else without disabilities. My husband does not have NVLD or another type of learning disability or ASD.
Question: where would dyscalculia fall into these catagories aka people with social problems& dyscalculia?
I know I have this I haven't been diagnosed yet when I move to California I'm getting treatment
I just realised yesterday that I've got NLD and a severe case of OCD, though I was recently diagnosed with ADHD-pi and giftedness. I'm leaning towards believing that I've got all of them though.
Basically, yesterday was the first time I could distinguish true certainty of the real origins of my problems from my confused obsessive false "beliefs" I've had in the past
I'm horrified by the thought of never being able to behave emotionally appropriate in a relationship, will I ever be able to?
Hello Jesper, it depends. What are your emotionally problems in relationships?
Why does the field of psychology so often name things that not only don't make sense, but also seem the total opposite of what something is? ADHD is not a problem with attention and yet they continue using that term. This "non-verbal learning disability" is the worst yet. Sometimes, as many people do, I start to lose respect for this field. They should do something about that!
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What's so sick about my mind is the way it manages to reflect upon its own being in such an objective way, that it enables me to self diagnose properly and at the same time being capable of holding me in a state of torment and confusion because, "what if?" even though I'm easily able to make out the absurd and irrational way my mind works.
OCD, it's a fudging nightmare.
That's the end of my rant I guess, I never feel quite satisfied though, never.
I also have OCD (and NVLD). Have you tried Cognitive Behavioral Therapy?
I know it's not a condition listed in the DSM, but how does high functioning autism fit into the spectrum? Does Aspergers syndrome have anything to do with HFA?
I'M 31 yrs old and I've been recently diagnosed with NVLD and, quite honestly, I'm losing hope with social interactions (i,e durable friendships and relationships) and my perspective in the job market. Anyone here can give me any tips on how to deal with the disability? I'm honestly very lost as I have cognitive behavioral problems and hoping to change that.
Martin, there's a Facebook group called "NLD - Non-verbal Learning Disorder" that you should join. There are people all around the world with NLD in that group. It's been really helpful to me. I have a child with NLD.
Martin Beaudoin I'm 16 years old with the same disorder, and I feel the same way you do. If you've gotten as far as you have, I imagine you'll be okay. Thanks for living :3
Anya
I have NVLD as well. Don't give up hope! I'm in AA-12 Step Groups or other support groups are very helpful in learning new coping skills, healing, and being understood. I wish you the very best!
Matin beaudoin and Anya Pearl don't give up. There is a world of people out there that believe in neurodiversity as a part of human nature. The disability community recently celebrated the 50th anniversary of the Developmental Disabilities Assistance and Bill of Rights Act, legislation first signed into law by President John F. Kennedy in 1963. The law begins with the statement that, “disability is a natural part of the human experience that does not diminish the right of individuals with developmental disabilities to live independently, to exert control and choice over their own lives, and to fully participate in and contribute to their communities through full integration and inclusion in the economic, political, social, cultural, and educational mainstream of United States society.” I and other believe in the unique and inherent worth of who you are, just as you are. You have gifts to share (we all do). Thanks for sharing your story.
Tried ALOT of pills, programs, and positive self talk.. but the real change and lasting changes where when I gave my life to Jesus Christ through repenting of my sins. He has made me whole and has reversed the curses over my life. I have seen so many people that are lost on these threads and put there hope in mortal men. Ask God for him to come into your life and convert you, until your born again baptized and holy spirit filled, you won't have the power or understanding of your maker and purpose in this life. I pray you seek Jesus Christ and let h heal you from the inside out. I'm proof!! 18 yrs . It's a personal relationship not religion.. Jesus Christ saves!!!!!!
When you say the matter of Empathy can be a concern for those with NVLD, do you mean that, like folks with Aspergers, there are situations in which they cannot figure out that they might be supposed to approach a specific scenario with empathy? Or do you mean that they are more likely to be jaded through repeated negative outcomes in social outreach attempts, becoming less empathetic learned helplessness ?
Would this interrupt an ability to take care of a child? Bc I have a 2 year old I took care of for a whole year before dcpp ripped him from me bc of failure to thrive would this disorder prevent me from getting him back?
I have NVLD with narrow areas of interest.
Jo Gallagher me too
I was actually diagnosed with both. And for a long time I just didn’t know what that meant on the technical side of things. I was told tons of different things by my mom and I just took it at face value and figured that no one knew very much if anything about what I had.
I have Asperger's and I am dyslectic and dyscalculia
I was diagnosed with NVLD, but I have rituals and fixations. Is that normal?
Edit: also my current psychologist thinks I have aspergers, because I have attention issues, as well, and was diagnosed with ADHD.
And thank you for these videos. Now that I am older, I want to know about my disorders, so I can choose what helps me.
What are ur attention issues ? Can u give us example ?
I have NVLD and ASD L1, e.g. what would have formerly been called Aspergers. I am not a visual thinker in the slightest. This is outdated information. You should fix it.
You can be on the autism spectrum with or without being a visual thinker.
@@SEASONEDFISHER Yes, exactly. Which is why it is so hard seeing this misinformation masquerading as science.
@@sowocki I hear you. I think a lot of people mean well when they publish their info but for whatever reason I've seen a lot of conflicting information over the years. It's quite unfortunate.
Same
Diagnosed Aspie, but confused now because the two different categories apply to me, a couple of traits from Aspergers and a couple of traits from NVLD- As you have presented this.
Are there more differences? My assessment placed me with certainty into “Aspergers”.
Also have Aspergers here. Did not really understand the fundamental differences between the disorders in this presentation. Rather irritating that I can't seem to find clear information on this. Just a brunch of vague overlapping characteristics.
@@Shoonam to quote egon in ghostbusters original, during ESP test-
‘What do you see with this one?’
“-Uh, just a bunch of, wavy lines?”
Any INFJ's here? Lol... you know why I laughed....
Well, an INTJ here is having fun with this!
3 years later yes
Yup! 😂
Interesting 🤔
Meeeee
I have NVLD. Very informative video
thank u for ur video i was misdiagnosed for a long time as borderline personality disorder -they kept insisting i like cutting myself when in reality my nr problem was non verbal communication specially eye contact walking down the street felt like a nightmare becuse i didt understand non verbal cues
Shadi Pahlavi never diagnosed. As a 29 year old I learned that my parents always knew I'm autistic. They wanted to hide it from me and let me be "normal" but they kinda waited for me to have a ton of problems (clean of drugs for 8years), and yet still never planned on telling me.
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that's because you're a piece of trash to people not that you have a neurological disorder, bitch.
I have nvld and most of those arent true for me. maybe I have other comorbid disorders.
I am confused
I like to give special thanks and recognition to JESPER MARTENSSON for stepping out of his box. As the MARINES would put it, OORAH! The truth about many of these behaviors they are viewed as INTENTIONAL behavioral disorders and they are NOT. These behaviors are classified as UNINTENTIONAL NEUROBEHAVIORAL DISORDERS. People are diagnosed with NLD Syndrome is not EMOTIONALLY DISTURBED. GOOGLE NLD RECOGNITION at WORDPRESS. NLD MOM/cancer survivor
I've got NLD, but I'm also garbage at reading lol. I can spell well, but reading destroys me lol.
Tom Cunnington I was diagnosed with NVLD but reading is something I didn't have a problem with, in fact I started reading at about 2 and half years old.
I hate reading books. I like online where I can jump from page to page.
I found this an interesting video but it was uncomfortable to watch because you talk so slowly, repeat unnecessary things, and sometimes pause unnecessarily at times. I feel like you could have covered the same amount of material in half to one third the time, and I think it would have actually been easier to follow this video because when you pause too much, it makes it harder for me to concentrate because I get bored. If you were to remake a more concise version of this video that communicated the same information in a shorter amount of time, I would really like that!
Alex Zorach, I have the same problem.
I thought it was very informative and well presented, it sounds like you're trying to spilt hairs.
Major question here-
Is NVLD on the autism spectrum?
+nakyer It can be, depending on how severe it is.
William Susser
Is that a medical view? I'd like to have a solid source to support the idea.
www.psychologytoday.com/blog/making-sense-autistic-spectrum-disorders/201006/006-not-quite-autism-the-borderland-asd
William Susser
Actually, the article, from nearly SIX years ago, spoke of "'autistic-like' conditions, NLD, SPLD, and BAP", and then said (in conclusion) "At the moment, NLD, SPLD, and BAP are not listed as autistic disorders in the DSM."
Thing is, it also said plainly that NvLD can overlap with Asperger's, which WOULD place it on the spectrum, and yet it plainly says it ISN'T.
I'd need something far more recent (and far better worded) for an accurate answer, and the above certainly doesn't place NvLD on the autism spectrum.
LordWellington35
No, actually I didn't, and the points I've made have been valid.
You're not actually following the exchange, and you're trying to turn this into some sort of battle. It never was, and it won't become that now.
What I came across as was someone looking for up to date valid facts, and I pointed out that the link is old, and that its statements seem to be contradictory.
How that, in your mind, makes me come across as "entitled", let alone a "prick" is beyond me.
By any chance are you trolling, because I'll drop this exchange right now if you are.
I am kind of A little bit of both.
Chris Rock brought me here, by way of the Will Smith slap.
Is your name really Sheldon Horowitz?! O_o :D
"Spatial", not "Spacial".
I have NVLD and I don't struggle with social reciprocity or empathy. I'm very empathetic. Also plenty of people without either one of these disabilities can have anxiety and depression. This video is crap. Stop generalizing.
I have NVLD and I'm too empathetic! The problem is the video is very generalized. Everyone is different
Please remember this video is EIGHT years old, therefore this is outdated advice. My recent research tells me that NVLD does live on the spectrum somewhere, acting like a middle ground diagnosis between high functioning autistic & ADHD. I’m currently pushing to be reassessed…. My diagnosis’s in 2011 were NVLD, dyscalculia & dyslexia…
@@Lozzy_1994 I'm definitely to ADHD.
Thank you doc for your good work
It’s been months now and my child has improved completely since using your herbs.
His therapist and school teacher has confirmed his improvement and this makes me happy
God bless you Dr Idemudia
Herbs don't heal brain dysfunction you liar.
I wouldn't exactly call it a learning disability. We are capable of learning.
A learning disability does not mean that we are not capable of learning. It means that we learn differently than most people. It also means that we may have more difficulty learning in certain ways compared to most people.
Heard it called a disorder
correct
Aurthor Merlin it is a learning disability. Autism is defined by the difficulties in learning social cues, which by the way are automatic, and easy for typicals to acquire.
Dude....Honestly, I think most "normal" people exist on a spectrum of personality and cognitive function variation...I think the 'learning disability' term isn't necessary in 75% of cases.
With all we’ve been learning in the 9 years since this was posted…
There is very little useful information here.
it's called Nonverbal Learning *Disorder*
Non verbal as in vaccine damaged???
No, you are born with it
Gg
I. Don’t. Believe. It’s. A. Disability. The. Student. Is. Not. Getting. The. Right. Training. From. The. Schools. And. They. Label. The. Student. As. Sped. Student.