I like to interpret Messmer's outrage that the tarnished was chosen as Lord as an example of his hatred of himself. I think the greatest tragedy of this character is that Messmer thinks he deserved to be abandoned by his mother by being the imperfect son of a perfect goddess, entwined with (in his eyes) blasphemous snakes and fire. It's easy to imagine his anger when he sees that his mother's new favorite is a being who is as much, if not more, imperfect than he is in the eyes of the Golden Order. Maybe that's what made him realize in the end, after sacrificing his grace granted by Marika and casting his soul into the darkness to fight the pretender to the title of Elden Lord, that his mother would never truly love him, no matter how devoted he is to her and her order, and so he curses her with his dying breath.
FromSoftware subverting all expectations once again. Messmer, who we all thought was this absolute sadistic and blood-thirsty demon, ends up revealing himself to be just a son who was born cursed and became a monster just to make sure people had someone to focus their hate on so that his mother could rise to power undisturbed. And once she got what she wanted, she erased every single trace of him from history and banished him in the Shadow Realm forever, where he was known as a monster and nothing else, which forced him to embrace this just to have something to live for. One of the most tragic characters in Elden Ring.
At this point I’m convinced that all the demigods (bar Miquella and Godrick) are just victims of Marika’s cruel crusade for power. Messmer is probably the most screwed over however. Sure the Omen twins got locked below the capital, but at least they weren’t forced into an honourless crusade against a people who did no wrong,purely because you were born cursed I’ll add an addendum: yeah that makes sense actually. As Leda said “They were never saints. They just happened to be in the losing side of a war.” Still, genocide. And more importantly, she still screwed over Messmer for the simple reason of him being cursed which was the main point.
@@featdirty1127nah, the Hornsent definitely did a lot of wrong. They tortured and stuffed all of the Shamans from Marika's village into pots just because they viewed themselves as superior. I kinda understand why Marika wanted them all dead.
@@featdirty1127 Yeah as everett says, having your own people, family, friends, be genocided and enslaved for another peoples religious practices can definitely set loose some screws that would lead to Marika's revenge crusade. Neither is good but at least she didn't start.
He should. He performed horrible acts devoid of honor and glory, stayed as ordered through who knows how long, and in the end, she hypocritically props a being that would have been no different from all those he brutalized to be his ruler. Messmer never had any agency, saw no purpose beyond one he was born and indoctrinated in, and he amounted to nothing but another sacrifice to prop Marika's design despite giving himself wholly to her.
Lore spoilers! I’ve been speculating that Messmer’s role in the Land of Shadow was an overseer installed by Marika to keep its denizens in check both as a form of exile for his blasphemy and a duty that she foisted on him until he will be allowed back into her arms. Turns out I was half right; While I don’t know his exact feelings on the matter when he waged war on the Land of Shadow, he was indeed tasked with lording over the land as a dreaded “devil” figure for its denizens to focus their hatred on. Messmer also hated his fire powers and has a serpent within him that he tried to get rid of but to no avail. Marika plucked out one of his eyes and placed a seal of grace to keep the snake within before having him kept away in the Land of Shadow, presumbably erasing him from history. He also sounds quite weary in his boss introduction where he seems reluctant to fight us but accepts it as his duty nonethless and second phase cutscene where he looks at the Marika statue and begs her for forgiveness before ripping his eye out. Defeating him has him curse Marika in his dying breath. Poor guy.
@@consumerjtc5835 Between incinerating everything in sight or traversing the stars, I'd still choose the latter. In spite of Ranni's flaws, she sought to cut the thread that binds everything & everyone to the Outer Gods & the contemptuous Demi-Gods warring over what remains.
I love how Messmer's phase 1 ost, which starts at 0:21, sounds a lot like a darker and more woeful version of the main theme/ Radagon's theme (listen carefully to the motif). It reflects his character perfectly
All parents in Fromsoft titles suck. King Allant, Gywn, Ocerios, Father Gascoigne, Owl, Marika. The only one that I've ever been sympathetic towards is Siegmeyer and even he wasn't the most attentive father.
@hewhoshallnotbenamed5168 Ishin Ashina seems pretty cool. Genichiro ended up the way he did due to the burdens of leadership rather than from any apparent abuse. And Father Gascoigne is a victim of the beast plague, same as everyone else in Yharnam.
So i was fighting Mesmer with my friend watching, he was beating my a*s in front of my friend and as soon my friend left the call, the run after that I finally beat him. Like Mesmer wasn't gonna let me have this victory in front of any witnesses💀. Best boss in Elden ring for now.
What a tragic figure Messmer is... Cursed from birth, taking it upon himself to be the object of fear, hatred, all so that it wouldn't fall on others, he hated his curse, his position, but he did it because he loved his mother and believed in her goals... and how did she reward his devotion? His love for her? She discarded him, once she had no use for him. Just like she did with everyone else.... There's a reason why her other self(Radagon) is the one whom was universally beloved by all of his children and genuinely tried to keep everyone together,even the downtrodden (just like what Golden Order was supposed to be, like Miriel said,all things can be conjoined). Marika created a golden age,built on blood,but then she fucked over every single person who helped her built it and, she shattered that golden age herself, because suddenly everyone needed to struggle... Because??? Well, no matter. At the very least, we can correct her mistakes. Goldmask was right,the problem are gods no better than men
Because Ranni showed everyone the flaw of Marika's world. With destined death banished, yet her own golden son slain, said son was now a festering soulless husk spreading like cancer. He couldn't be saved and also not fully die. We know that the night of the black knives happened and the shattering occured soon after. I am sure Marika wanted to remake her world and fix her mistake, but Radagon hindered her and tried to repair the damage she's done. And the greater will was also apparently unwilling to give up the world it ruled. So Marika gave away the great runes of the elden ring to her children and told them to duke it out. Anyone who didn't manage would become a stepping stone for the one who'd take her place
@@omgroflgamer2010 And that’s why you the Tarnish exists: to expose her lies and her crimes which has led to her son Miquella very selfishly wanting to usurp godhood and using every means to achieve it including manipulating his cursed brother Mohg and deceiving Radahn into believing that he too could achieve godhood by being his consort which Radahn begrudgingly accepts.
Haven’t played the DLC yet guys, I’m downloading it tomorrow. How scared should I be? Update: Started the DLC. Got nearly killed by the first enemy I encountered and am currently bumbling my way around the Belurat Tower Settlement
I've seen people recommend 60 Vigor. I've personally gone with 56 Vigor, and 40 Endurance, I think. Some bosses, like Messmer, are REALLY kicking my ass. Granted, he is probably meant for late in the DLC but I stumbled upon him relatively "mid game" (20-25 hours in). However, I've felt properly scaled for some other "major" bosses, going in like this. Good luck, and have fun - it's SUCH a joy to explore the Shadowlands :)
I beat the lion on my first try. I'd gotten a few upgrades in the Shadow Realm, though. Rellana, on the other hand......... I had to use Tiche and it still took countless attempts.
First phase took me a few tries, but I did phase 2 in 1 try cos I managed to stagger him after his big opener attack, then bled him and beat on him with the hornsent at my side
"Thosestrippedbythegraceofgoldshallmeetdeathintheembrace -of *Messmer's* -flames. " -Messmer the Impaler I absolutely ADORE how the subversion of our expectations through trailers incorporates into the experience. In abyssal woods the tarnished is shown riding Torrent, only to be left alone once you actually arrive there. The hippo is shown outdoors, so he still manages to surprise-drop on us in the keep. The rannah dancer is shown in a field, but is actually in an underground mausoleum. The commander is presented as a tree sentinel reskin while being anything, but it. And finally, Messmer is presented to be a bloodlusted monster, the death of all "those stripped by the grace of gold". So, when you first meet him, manned up and on high alert, the next thing you know... he's nothing like advertised. Selflessly devoted to his duty he is, to serve Queen Marika, his Mother. Even if it makes him a monster, undeserving of her grace. But even his devotion is self-conscious. In comparison, one of his knights - Queelign - stands in your way twice, bravely citating the vow of Messmer, while he tries to cling onto his lost purpose in this forsaken land. This vow is very much like the liberation front's hymn from AC6. While simple soldiers quote only the first line: "Coral, abide with Rubicon! ", solely to man up, their leader, father Dolmayan, is the only one to embrace its true meaning - that none of them "should roll the dice." - to not release the coral. And so, the most iconic quote of Messmer, that he says upon slaying you, as it turns out, is not spoken seriously. If you pay attention to his intonation, you'll notice that he's almost being ironic about how much this quote is repeated, letter to letter, despite how hilariously long it is. All his joy quickly flees, however, as he is forced into complete darkness in order to serve his Mother, stripping himself of his own gold, succumbing to his shunned second nature. What a boss.
Clearly you haven’t read any of the lore, marika used to be kind and bathed her shaman village in gold and ascended to godhood after being seduced by the two fingers to take revenge on the hornsent for stuffing her fellow shamans in jars and killing them. Unfortunately, she continued the cycle of violence even if she wanted to stop it once. She is very much morally grey. She event left a blessing of marika for messmer.
@@vongolamistowl Marika is one of From's best-written characters, but she really did Messmer dirty. The dude became a demon just so people could hate him instead of her while she created a new world, but once she made it she had no place for him due to what he had become to the Hornsent and ended up casting him away. No wonder he's so pissed.
@@dinorex3464 He has every right to be pissed cuz marika shunned him and try to suppress the thing he was born with because it didn’t fit with her idea of order. But you can tell she did love him based on granting him his eye seal and her blessing.
Marika is no saint, or rather god worthy of worship to be sure. But, like how Messmer, Godfrey, and the Tarnished were pawns in her schemes, she too was a pawn in the designs of The Greater Will, which is why Ranni's (who herself is guilty of inflicting tremendous suffering to advance her own ambitions) beef was ultimately with it and why she felt sympathy for Marika.
I really shouldn't have waited to fight him until the dlc was near its end, i ended up killing him extremely easily, likely because of all the scadutree blessings i had acquired, i also probably should've fought Midra waaaaaayyy later. I'll try doing things in a different order next time, maybe I'll find that one of the bosses i either killed in two hits to, or died in two hits from, to be my favorite. Sometimes i wish this game wasn't open world, so that there could be some more fine-tuned balancing.
Mother, have you forgotten me? Why did you abandon me? Why didn't you come back for me? are you angry with me? Didn't I do everything you wanted? Did I not lead this crusade in your name? Mother! Why did you leave me? Why did you left?... I'm alone, I'm tired if I made you angry, I ask your forgiveness oh mother, I... I will continue doing your will! and Those stripped of the Grace of Gold will find death. In the embrace of Messmer's flame... until the day you finally return to me, mother.
Marika replaced Vader and Omni man as the worst fictional parent
At least vader saved his kid at the end. Marika has no redeeming qualities and is just power hungry
At least Omni Man and Vader had love for their kids.
you do not watch a lot of shows or play a lot of games if you think marika is bad
@@kaptenzoom7920 True that, from star wars alone Valkorion comes to mind by straight up being way way worse.
@@kaptenzoom7920 I think it's hard to name someone worse
I like to interpret Messmer's outrage that the tarnished was chosen as Lord as an example of his hatred of himself. I think the greatest tragedy of this character is that Messmer thinks he deserved to be abandoned by his mother by being the imperfect son of a perfect goddess, entwined with (in his eyes) blasphemous snakes and fire. It's easy to imagine his anger when he sees that his mother's new favorite is a being who is as much, if not more, imperfect than he is in the eyes of the Golden Order. Maybe that's what made him realize in the end, after sacrificing his grace granted by Marika and casting his soul into the darkness to fight the pretender to the title of Elden Lord, that his mother would never truly love him, no matter how devoted he is to her and her order, and so he curses her with his dying breath.
he is still sorry for doing it, i feel sorry for him
He would've been good friend with Morgott...
@@smilingman4299 for Morgott he would be nothing more than an heretic
"Those stripped of the Grace of God shall all meet death. In the embrace of Messssmer'sss flame"
MAKE IT STOOPPP
Isn't it Gold? As is the Golden Order
grace of gold lol
when I got impaled by his spear and then he speaks this line....I knew it's gonna be like that MS. blade of Miquella
Ah yea, i didn't know why I typed god. Thanks for pointing it out
@@Vadikus2424 nah bro we all made mistakes.....especially the panic roll when facing messmer💀💀
FromSoftware subverting all expectations once again.
Messmer, who we all thought was this absolute sadistic and blood-thirsty demon, ends up revealing himself to be just a son who was born cursed and became a monster just to make sure people had someone to focus their hate on so that his mother could rise to power undisturbed. And once she got what she wanted, she erased every single trace of him from history and banished him in the Shadow Realm forever, where he was known as a monster and nothing else, which forced him to embrace this just to have something to live for.
One of the most tragic characters in Elden Ring.
At this point I’m convinced that all the demigods (bar Miquella and Godrick) are just victims of Marika’s cruel crusade for power.
Messmer is probably the most screwed over however. Sure the Omen twins got locked below the capital, but at least they weren’t forced into an honourless crusade against a people who did no wrong,purely because you were born cursed
I’ll add an addendum: yeah that makes sense actually. As Leda said “They were never saints. They just happened to be in the losing side of a war.”
Still, genocide. And more importantly, she still screwed over Messmer for the simple reason of him being cursed which was the main point.
@@featdirty1127nah, the Hornsent definitely did a lot of wrong. They tortured and stuffed all of the Shamans from Marika's village into pots just because they viewed themselves as superior. I kinda understand why Marika wanted them all dead.
@@featdirty1127 Yeah as everett says, having your own people, family, friends, be genocided and enslaved for another peoples religious practices can definitely set loose some screws that would lead to Marika's revenge crusade. Neither is good but at least she didn't start.
@@featdirty1127 Eh, from the looks of it, the Hornsent were just the corrupt order that came before the current one.
This guy is a hot mess
mer
“Mother…Marika…a curse…upon thee!”
Wild that despite staying loyal to her wishes after all this time, he finally curses her in death.
He should. He performed horrible acts devoid of honor and glory, stayed as ordered through who knows how long, and in the end, she hypocritically props a being that would have been no different from all those he brutalized to be his ruler. Messmer never had any agency, saw no purpose beyond one he was born and indoctrinated in, and he amounted to nothing but another sacrifice to prop Marika's design despite giving himself wholly to her.
You were magnificent, Messmer. I shall never forget you for as long as I live.
The saddest thing is like he seemed like a good guy before the crusade, according to Radahn affect for him as an older brother
Lore spoilers!
I’ve been speculating that Messmer’s role in the Land of Shadow was an overseer installed by Marika to keep its denizens in check both as a form of exile for his blasphemy and a duty that she foisted on him until he will be allowed back into her arms.
Turns out I was half right; While I don’t know his exact feelings on the matter when he waged war on the Land of Shadow, he was indeed tasked with lording over the land as a dreaded “devil” figure for its denizens to focus their hatred on. Messmer also hated his fire powers and has a serpent within him that he tried to get rid of but to no avail. Marika plucked out one of his eyes and placed a seal of grace to keep the snake within before having him kept away in the Land of Shadow, presumbably erasing him from history. He also sounds quite weary in his boss introduction where he seems reluctant to fight us but accepts it as his duty nonethless and second phase cutscene where he looks at the Marika statue and begs her for forgiveness before ripping his eye out. Defeating him has him curse Marika in his dying breath. Poor guy.
Also he is Melina’s big brother, yea? According messmer’s kindling discription
Marika continues being best mom
This shit and Miquellas whole plan is why the frenzied flame ending refuses to not be an invalid option.
@@consumerjtc5835 real. I prefer burning it all to cinders instead of being perpetually enslaved by the will of whatever outer god comes along
@@consumerjtc5835 Between incinerating everything in sight or traversing the stars, I'd still choose the latter.
In spite of Ranni's flaws, she sought to cut the thread that binds everything & everyone to the Outer Gods & the contemptuous Demi-Gods warring over what remains.
I love how Messmer's phase 1 ost, which starts at 0:21, sounds a lot like a darker and more woeful version of the main theme/ Radagon's theme (listen carefully to the motif). It reflects his character perfectly
like father like son?
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who heard that too 😭
@@blamepluto7308 Like Father and Mother
@@BaldinBlack Given how how convoluted the Marika/Radagon situation, let's just say like parent like son 😅
I love how you've commented this on almost every single video that appears when you search messmer
As painful as the fight is, it was one of the best
wouldnt call it painful at all. Not even slightly as overtuned bullshit as last one
@@smiechuj7534 Ye this boss felt hard but very fair. Best DLC boss so far.
@@smiechuj7534overtuned are you even at scardutree blessing level 18-20? The final boss of elden ring should be the hardest in the game.
Gaius is still the king of bullshit@@smiechuj7534
Messmer and Bayle are the best of the dlc
nobody :
messmer : mongrel intruder...
up there with “ah another dogged contender”
Hahahahahahahah 🤣👍👌✌✌✨✨😎
🌹
@@VietDang-yk1yt"ah, another dog..*fight starts*
Marika really be out here fighting Gwyn for the “worst parent ever” title
Don’t forget Father Owl from Sekiro 😅
All parents in Fromsoft titles suck. King Allant, Gywn, Ocerios, Father Gascoigne, Owl, Marika. The only one that I've ever been sympathetic towards is Siegmeyer and even he wasn't the most attentive father.
@hewhoshallnotbenamed5168
Ishin Ashina seems pretty cool. Genichiro ended up the way he did due to the burdens of leadership rather than from any apparent abuse. And Father Gascoigne is a victim of the beast plague, same as everyone else in Yharnam.
"MESSMER! FOE OF MY BELOVED PEOPLE! IN VENGANCE FOR THE FLAMES, MY BLADE I WIELD!"
That voice actor nailed it
probably the hardest line ive heard in elden ring, he delivers it so fantastically
@poggeromegalol8751 yeah the npcs in this dlc are great Igon was the first i did and his hatred for blayve is crazy
Yeah I got hyped with him. Hornsent ftw
@@poggeromegalol8751 I'm caught between him and Igon screaming his lungs out at Bayle.
So i was fighting Mesmer with my friend watching, he was beating my a*s in front of my friend and as soon my friend left the call, the run after that I finally beat him.
Like Mesmer wasn't gonna let me have this victory in front of any witnesses💀.
Best boss in Elden ring for now.
Fight was up there with Gael, simply incredible.
Best Boss in this DLC
hes so good
@@herojdb-8583Bayle was also top tier
Better
As someone that are not the biggest fan of gael Messmer is much better(The fight at least)
The Messmer Eyes in Phase 2 Look Like The Undead Curse of Dark Souls!
Nice catch
Yes, I thought the same! The accursed Dark Sign...
I love the musical references to the fight against Radagon and Elden Beast and the main theme
bro they cooked so hard with the music, in legit every area or boss. none are bad
What a tragic figure Messmer is... Cursed from birth, taking it upon himself to be the object of fear, hatred, all so that it wouldn't fall on others, he hated his curse, his position, but he did it because he loved his mother and believed in her goals... and how did she reward his devotion? His love for her? She discarded him, once she had no use for him. Just like she did with everyone else.... There's a reason why her other self(Radagon) is the one whom was universally beloved by all of his children and genuinely tried to keep everyone together,even the downtrodden (just like what Golden Order was supposed to be, like Miriel said,all things can be conjoined).
Marika created a golden age,built on blood,but then she fucked over every single person who helped her built it and, she shattered that golden age herself, because suddenly everyone needed to struggle... Because???
Well, no matter. At the very least, we can correct her mistakes. Goldmask was right,the problem are gods no better than men
Because Ranni showed everyone the flaw of Marika's world. With destined death banished, yet her own golden son slain, said son was now a festering soulless husk spreading like cancer. He couldn't be saved and also not fully die. We know that the night of the black knives happened and the shattering occured soon after.
I am sure Marika wanted to remake her world and fix her mistake, but Radagon hindered her and tried to repair the damage she's done. And the greater will was also apparently unwilling to give up the world it ruled. So Marika gave away the great runes of the elden ring to her children and told them to duke it out. Anyone who didn't manage would become a stepping stone for the one who'd take her place
@@omgroflgamer2010 All I need to know is that she f*cked up, that's why chaos chall take the world
@@omgroflgamer2010 And that’s why you the Tarnish exists: to expose her lies and her crimes which has led to her son Miquella very selfishly wanting to usurp godhood and using every means to achieve it including manipulating his cursed brother Mohg and deceiving Radahn into believing that he too could achieve godhood by being his consort which Radahn begrudgingly accepts.
2:24 this part reminds me of the duel of fates
Those stripped of the grace of gold, shall all meet death....in the embrace of messmer's flame.
One hell of a fight
My ass is still gaping after that one
I adore his character, he's such a brat lol. But his family relations are all too relatable :(
Imagine Messmer as an summoned Ally against an Invading Melina (frenzied route)
makes no sense
@@cstndr how so?
4:06 this part goes so fucking hard
"I am Messmer Blade of.....wait wrong line"
A snake am I? Well, let me show you just how ssssnakelike I can be!
One of my favourite boss fights in the entire series. Hard but fair, to me this boss perfectly captured what elden ring bosses should be.
Haven’t played the DLC yet guys, I’m downloading it tomorrow. How scared should I be?
Update: Started the DLC. Got nearly killed by the first enemy I encountered and am currently bumbling my way around the Belurat Tower Settlement
Scared.
Moderately scared.
How high is your Endurance?
I'm scaled for near the end of the game and can't beat two guys dressed as a lion or Pontiff Sulyvahn's daughter
Pretty scared
I've seen people recommend 60 Vigor. I've personally gone with 56 Vigor, and 40 Endurance, I think.
Some bosses, like Messmer, are REALLY kicking my ass. Granted, he is probably meant for late in the DLC but I stumbled upon him relatively "mid game" (20-25 hours in).
However, I've felt properly scaled for some other "major" bosses, going in like this. Good luck, and have fun - it's SUCH a joy to explore the Shadowlands :)
I beat the lion on my first try. I'd gotten a few upgrades in the Shadow Realm, though. Rellana, on the other hand......... I had to use Tiche and it still took countless attempts.
From the creators of: "Its all Gwyn's fault"
Comes...."Its all Marika's fault"
1:20 - when this hits as he's doing his rapid fiery spear jabs followed by the air slam aoe.. my god that was insane
Masterpiece of an OST
Marika…is an absolute monster. 💯
Messmer looks identical to Melania after he, like her, embrace their hidden curse.
Without eyes. Without care. Without Marika.
First phase took me a few tries, but I did phase 2 in 1 try cos I managed to stagger him after his big opener attack, then bled him and beat on him with the hornsent at my side
expected another evil sadistic character like who we thought mohg was
didnt expect another morgott
Best boss fight of the DLC 🗣️🗣️🗣️
If you listen carefully, you can hear a bit of the Radagon half of the final boss theme in this.
A tragic hero masterpiece
PTSD ost
Illegitimate child of Marika and Eiglay.
Easiest mini boss in the dlc
Honestly one of my favorite fights in the DLC, probably only second to Bayle
@1:20 is just SOO peak 😭😭 I actually finally beat him today and man his AMAZING!! God his ost goes so hard!
"Thosestrippedbythegraceofgoldshallmeetdeathintheembrace -of
*Messmer's*
-flames. " -Messmer the Impaler
I absolutely ADORE how the subversion of our expectations through trailers incorporates into the experience.
In abyssal woods the tarnished is shown riding Torrent, only to be left alone once you actually arrive there. The hippo is shown outdoors, so he still manages to surprise-drop on us in the keep. The rannah dancer is shown in a field, but is actually in an underground mausoleum. The commander is presented as a tree sentinel reskin while being anything, but it.
And finally, Messmer is presented to be a bloodlusted monster, the death of all "those stripped by the grace of gold". So, when you first meet him, manned up and on high alert, the next thing you know... he's nothing like advertised. Selflessly devoted to his duty he is, to serve Queen Marika, his Mother. Even if it makes him a monster, undeserving of her grace. But even his devotion is self-conscious.
In comparison, one of his knights - Queelign - stands in your way twice, bravely citating the vow of Messmer, while he tries to cling onto his lost purpose in this forsaken land.
This vow is very much like the liberation front's hymn from AC6. While simple soldiers quote only the first line: "Coral, abide with Rubicon! ", solely to man up, their leader, father Dolmayan, is the only one to embrace its true meaning - that none of them "should roll the dice." - to not release the coral.
And so, the most iconic quote of Messmer, that he says upon slaying you, as it turns out, is not spoken seriously. If you pay attention to his intonation, you'll notice that he's almost being ironic about how much this quote is repeated, letter to letter, despite how hilariously long it is.
All his joy quickly flees, however, as he is forced into complete darkness in order to serve his Mother, stripping himself of his own gold, succumbing to his shunned second nature.
What a boss.
Did anyone mistake the white snake as the abyssal serpent or am I the only one ☠️☠️☠️☠️
Marika is just pure evil, nothing else, nothing less.
Clearly you haven’t read any of the lore, marika used to be kind and bathed her shaman village in gold and ascended to godhood after being seduced by the two fingers to take revenge on the hornsent for stuffing her fellow shamans in jars and killing them. Unfortunately, she continued the cycle of violence even if she wanted to stop it once. She is very much morally grey. She event left a blessing of marika for messmer.
@@vongolamistowl Marika is one of From's best-written characters, but she really did Messmer dirty.
The dude became a demon just so people could hate him instead of her while she created a new world, but once she made it she had no place for him due to what he had become to the Hornsent and ended up casting him away.
No wonder he's so pissed.
@@dinorex3464 He has every right to be pissed cuz marika shunned him and try to suppress the thing he was born with because it didn’t fit with her idea of order. But you can tell she did love him based on granting him his eye seal and her blessing.
@@vongolamistowl There isn't anything morally grey about banishing your children and forcing them to become monsters
Marika is no saint, or rather god worthy of worship to be sure. But, like how Messmer, Godfrey, and the Tarnished were pawns in her schemes, she too was a pawn in the designs of The Greater Will, which is why Ranni's (who herself is guilty of inflicting tremendous suffering to advance her own ambitions) beef was ultimately with it and why she felt sympathy for Marika.
I really shouldn't have waited to fight him until the dlc was near its end, i ended up killing him extremely easily, likely because of all the scadutree blessings i had acquired, i also probably should've fought Midra waaaaaayyy later. I'll try doing things in a different order next time, maybe I'll find that one of the bosses i either killed in two hits to, or died in two hits from, to be my favorite. Sometimes i wish this game wasn't open world, so that there could be some more fine-tuned balancing.
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Mother, have you forgotten me? Why did you abandon me? Why didn't you come back for me? are you angry with me? Didn't I do everything you wanted? Did I not lead this crusade in your name? Mother! Why did you leave me? Why did you left?... I'm alone, I'm tired if I made you angry, I ask your forgiveness oh mother, I... I will continue doing your will! and Those stripped of the Grace of Gold will find death. In the embrace of Messmer's flame... until the day you finally return to me, mother.
that is incredibly sad