Force of Will - The Card Game that never dies
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Folks! What bags are we pumping today?
The heavy ones.
Your mom's. Sorry had too
I actually sold a force of will card , took 2 years , but i got $3 from that sale! Booster box was only $25 so its comparable with the returns you would expect from magic the gathering lol
I just started selling force of will about 2 weeks ago as a new seller and have made ~300 or so.
@@MaamuuTCGLab Nice , where do you sell?
I really wish FoW woulda took off. The art and cards are great.
I noticed that MTG refuses to make beautiful women lately. I don't think I've ever seen an ugly (humanoid) character in FOW.
It’s 2024 and WotC hires Force of Will management, due to their greater running of the company than WotC
I am still fascinated they created a wholoe TCG around 1 magic card
I mean just the name. It was def a magic clone but at this point they are very very different games.
@@PsychoEditorthey reprinted force of will in 2020 and 2022.
@@murlocmasher3368 judge promos? Or like a booster box?
@@PsychoEditor double masters and Dominaria Remastered. Not promos but chase cards in a booster box
@@murlocmasher3368 oh man I'm wrong as hell
Force of Will is a fun time, the devs are the most human people I've ever seen. They own up to mistakes and take in fan feedback. The community is also tightly knit and big tournament are usuay less than 100 people so getting top 64/48/etc. Is easier and the game is much more diverse due to smaller community and less data to say xyz deck is the definitive best deck. Magic 30 controversy is special to me because its what drove me to try Force of Will and I love it.
Not even trying to hide the pump now.. da da da damnnnnn
What is dead may never die!
Unless there's some _stranger æons_ involved.
Thanks for acknowledging FoW! People always seem shocked the game is alive yet releases consistently. I really hate that one set killed the game for a lot of people but it really has hit this sweet spot of EV and box price
The release of MOA alone didn't kill the FoW card game. It was a combination of the red hot start of the game, the half set MOA, and LGSs buying triple the needed stock of MOA they would need and getting burnt. A LGS owner admitted this to me that it was his own fault for not paying attention to the release notice of MOA thinking the game could maintain its red hot expansion. His store continued to carry FoW product until he retired and closed his LGS as there was always a loyal set of players interested in the game.
So as someone who has been with FoW for the entire time, you are absolutely right that the game is great and worth peoples time. Its fun, good things coming, and while small, its still trucking along and improving! Anytime you want to chat about the game you let me know!
I don't play FoW, but I do play FaB, and I'm seeing signs of powercreep already in year 4. How does FoW deal with it? ... Actually, just a few weeks ago, I had a conversation with another player about how FaB has already done multiple prints of cards that can't be improved on, so the designers printed a slightly worse version, as if we're experiencing 'reverse powercreep'.
@@Brion57042 so force of will utilizes a system of bans and combo bans in our eternal format. This helps the company to sculpt the environment to curve power.
Also they are going back through and printing new support cards for significantly older archetypes to help reintroduce them back into the meta game in a healthy way.
@@RulerSchoolTCGnobody like bans, from mtg to ygo, and it turns ppl off from the game. How is it even a good thing that the card u just bought might get ban the next announcement? U cant convince ppl a game is good coz they ban cards.
@@AndyMourat he was asked how problem cards and power creep are dealt with. He answered. He didn't say "play fow cause it has a banlist."
Its an eternal format game just like yugioh or extended MtG formats. And those also get regular banlist updates.
@@AndyMouratbans are 100% needed it any game to keep the meta healthy. Good format is way more important than a card holding some arbitrary value. FoW learned that the hard way.
Rudy always has an agenda
"I'm not gonna bulshit you, it's like MetaZoo level awful." 😂
I think Rudy is finally starting to come back to reality
@@justinhuber5497Mike stopped putting antifreeze in his soup.
It was a good statement cause of how true it is. But then he ate those words later in the video when he pumps MetaZoo and Hello Kitty again.
made me laugh. I think its bad but only in comparison to tier 1 TCGs.
I'm glad he finally admitted that it's awful 😅
Love that you did this video. I've continued to follow the game through the declines, and I have to say the management of the game has felt much better in the last couple of years under the new company. They released a very-well received by the fans 10th anniversary Ruler collector set, did a small supplemental set that was also very popular with players and is what an Aftermath-type product done right looks like, and while there have been some questionable decisions (the "new" card frame), I think they're doing a good job. I think their real problem is it's really hard to regain that trust with players and stores once it's lost, so even if you've turned your business practices around, how are you going to get anyone to notice or believe it?
As someone who has been making consistent fow content, THIS is our biggest issue. Exposure and a willingness for people to give the game another shot.if we could work on improving that, I think FoW has a real resurgence potential. That's part of why we are even launching a new circuit series for it ourselves, just to give stores and groups an easy on ramp/maybe start traveling to cons again to spread the word!
To add to the Metazoo comparison: There are still plenty of places in the UK that carry FOW. Every online UK retailer has now dropped Metazoo as far as I can see. Yes we're a much smaller area than the US but it's not exactly a bullish sign.
No matter how much you comment about metazoo no one cares. As long as it's released ill buy the new sets. Enjoy what you like.
@@ghostunit9 That's fine. I have no problem with the Metazoo fanbase. I even read the manga so that I could see what it's all about. I have a problem with Rudy's market analysis. I feel I've raised reasonable points rather than just writing "Metapoo" like some people do.
His analysis is wrong on almost all products. Let me guess, you collect Lorcana? Are you even a Patron? I know you aren't based in the US sooo..I just know I see you comment 20x on every Alpha video. Touch grass
@@ghostunit9 I'm neither a Patron nor do I collect Lorcana. Leaving a few comments take a few minutes out of my day. It's light entertainment. I find the people who say "Touch grass" are usually the ones who need to touch grass themselves. There's other people who leave tons of comments a day on here but it seems you've picked my comment because I've hurt your feelings.
@monkey39128 no I picked your comment because I find you commenting daily on these videos with no positivity. Show me where metazoo hurt you on this doll. Anyways, good luck in your future!
The fact that it's still going is remarkable. Talk about weathering the storm.
There are some games that refuse to die. Another example is the MECCG which is the first Lord of the Rings trading card game. There is still a good group of people that support and play the game.
@@portalmasterry6765 Wow that's cool. I have a box of LOTR cards but I think they're movie ones. Just looked up the ones I think you mean. The artwork reminds me of vintage Magic. Beautiful.
@@monkey39128 Sadly MECCG was overshadowed by the movie LOTR TCG. I remember playing it and when the movie came out, most folks played the movie version. The MECCG had artists that did magic cards too. The art on the MECCG cards are some of the best fantasy art created for a CCG during that era.
@monkey39128 my friend has almost every card from that. We bust out the decks and play a few times a year.
Then could there be even be some faint hope for Rudy's beloved Metazoo?
RUDY- the worst shiller of stuff he wants people to buy so he makes money
Battle for Attoractia booster boxes have Antique type cards. Can buy 3 of those for every new sheet MTG set.
FoW is a good game and very high quality. I haven't purchased in years but I got a good stock
My buddies pooled money together to buy the 5-deck starter box back in the day. It was a ton of fun, it is a shame that it died off so hard. I talked to my cousin about it, and he said that it sounded like Magic the Gathering back in the early days.
First rule of The Game PIece Army is: Do not talk about The Game Piece Army. Second ruly of The Game Piece Army is: Do not talk about The Game Piece Army.
The third rule is: Yell "GgGaaaAAaaMmmmEEeEeEE PppieeeEEEccEEEsss" at the top of your lungs whenever possible.
I have a small box of "The Dawn of Valhalla" and "The War of Valhalla". I'm struggling to find out what they're worth.
Those are pretty rare boxes if they are in English, because those two sets were never released in North America (and they don't come in any boxes larger than those small ones you have). I paid $250 for a Dawn of Valhalla box a couple years ago, not sure what either would go for now.
First Astronaut on the moon was Timmy Armstrong.
I remember hearing of this game so long ago. Probably 6 or 7 years ago and i remember watching your videos on it and i was so excited for getting into it but i couldnt get my hands on any cards and i figured none of my friends would get into it. I saw the notification for this video and saw Force Of Will and all the memories came right back. Crazy.
Thumbs up for anything non-MTG.
FOW is alive and doing better than ever. Give the game a try again.
Again.... Just because something is "rare" / "you can't even get it" , does NOT mean it's worth shit
I see Force of Will, i press like.
Sounds like he’s trying to sell his old product by pumping it up.
really feels like a mobile game and a crossover with another franchise could really put it in the top 10 map
Ive been buying a case of each release for two years. Its been a fun alternative to magic. Opening boxes feels worth it compared to MTG (for collection building purposes).
You know what just came to mind? Rudy is bigger than a few of these card games he supports. I’m not sure what that tells you but it should tell you something.
Imagine being so desperate you are trying to pump FoW.
I think what also hurt FOW, when it was stating to blow up commander was getting big 2014-2015ish, , since FOW and mtg commander, both had a General Gimmick to build decks around.
FOW has had such a rough start that I can see how these other CCGs have leaped past, the game continues to have typos (errata) and misprints in every set. But the companies dedication to give players what they want is the reason I stopped buying MTG and started buying FOW.
"Gotta give credit where credit is due, man." Okay, so when are you going to give credit to the fact Dragon Ball Super is still going? What about Final Fantasy TCG? Two of the TCGs you said were doomed to fail like 6 years ago yet are still going with their own dedicated fans as well. You had me in the first 3/4ths of the video, not gonna lie. But as soon as you shifted into trying to also pump MetaZoo again and saying how great Hello Kitty was when TCGP says the exact opposite, your true colors shown through. This is just another video of you trying to get people hyped for a TCG for no other reason than because you want to ensure your patreons buy enough of it to satisfy you.
You want to make money, I have absolutely no issues with that. But continually trying to manipulate people is not a good look. You are basically no different than Hasbro at this point.
The price of some of those DBS cards are insane. The sell through rate is decent as well from what I've seen. Seems like the anime style games are on the rise. Don't know much about Final Fantasy but I saw that Cloud card a while ago that was going for 2k. I wasn't watching Rudy back then but if he did say that then he really screwed the pooch with that one.
@@monkey39128 I'd say DBS and FFTCG are in roughly the same spot in the market. Neither sells a ton or anything, but they do sell and both have cards that can go for a pretty penny. I'd personally say FFTCG is maybe better in terms of singles as it has a number of full art cards every set that are often $20+ while DBS more often has like 1-4 cards hitting crazy numbers while the rest are like $15 or less.
The Cloud card you are referring to was something new in that set, From Nightmares. It is a full art and also stamped with a Nomura signature. Think of it like the equivalent of a Secret Rare from Weiss. A stupidly rare card with a signature on it.
It was obvious from the start, he was going to use the fact that FoW has survived so that means metazoo can too. Survival doesn't mean anything, all the FoW product he pumped was a horrible "investment" just like metazoo regardless if it survives.
Keep crying and go find another channel
I thought ff died years ago. At least in my region. Great game, but no one played it. DBS is still kicking for now. But one piece is the real seller.
As someone who's been playing the game since 2014, it is a shame that Millennia of Ages made so many stores/people drop the game.
I always hear or see people say they thought the game died years ago. If more people were willing to give FoW another shot and more people realized the game was still going, it would be in a much better spot than it is.
That all being said, as a player, the game does still have some issues every now and then, but the owners have gotten much better at listening to the community and reprinting much needed reprints as box topper promos so you guarantee you get them with each box. Plus they're about to release a huge legacy support product in January that's basically the equivalent of an MtG Masters set with new support for the decks from the first sets of the game.
Idk how many years FoW will tough things out, but its still a fun card game and i wish more people would give it a shot again.
Super excited for pilgrim memories. The most recent set also is very aimed at supporting old rulers. Gave a generic tool box to use with old rulers.
I still honor you FOW 😢
Alwais love to learn with Rudy, fascinating
I have been a FoW buyer and player since 2016. Love the game but don't appreciate the unsteady moves of the company. Still the game is so good I'll forgive the missteps. The quality of the cards and game has MtG beat seven ways to Sunday. I'll take it over the rest.
Floppy very floppy
Just like cryptos, coming back from the dead! NFTs are going to moon hard in 2024!
Have you ever wondered why the old boxes are so expensive, from the Alice and Reiya cluster era? Perhaps it is the quality of the cards, full art cards have no borders and rare cards in the Alice cluster have a gold stamp almost like sport cards. From what I see on the market the game seems to be more popular in Europe than in the USA, mostly in Spain and Italy. A lot of foreign cards circulate the secondary market, making the English cards harder to find and therefore go up in price. But there is interest in these cards, at least in Europe, cheap cards get bought right away.
Force of Will is weird. The boxes seem to either be going for stupid money or for dirt cheap. The sets seem to either collapse or boom. It's such an oddity.
The old sets jumped after they removed rotation. Most of them were worthless until recently. Twilight wanderer was a perfect example. $20 a box all day. Even after rudu bought up a lot of them. Theyre pushing $100 now.
Mostly depends on what's in the set of cards that are played nowadays. Like the Game of Gods Cluster. 2nd and 3rd set are rather cheap while the first one is expensive cause of a few cards.
Although the second one rose in price cause everyone and their grandmother is now playing a full playset of a common of that set. That common in the EU is worth 1-2 bucks, in the US they pay 7 bucks + for that common.
Who cares it didn't die? Where's the liquidity? Liquidity, the one word that rudy refuses to talk about. Who cares how rare or low supply something is if you can't sell it because there is no buyers? lol
I believe he brought it up a few times.
Rudy! Hello 👋
I really wish they instead became an online tcg like Shadowverse mostly because my locals is dead and I feel they can trash out to more players and older one becoming an online tcg
Video 8 of me telling Rudy that I'll be in Florida October 2024, and would be thrilled to meet him and the 3.696969% ladies he keeps in his basement =)
metazoo going to bankrupt...
I played some when they had the pandas. Dropped it because it reminded my friend and I of commander. So... we just went back to playing commander. I know they are different, but I just didn't care about buying cards for it. So my pandas are sitting in some box somewhere.
I like it, I brought it but I got hosed and couldn't find it anymore for years. I still have a small collection of the cards I liked but I will not buy again.
In before rudy buys 69.9 % of force of will
When the economy takes a dump, how much food and water will a force of will box buy me? I like to ask questions just as serious as the card board king makes his videos.
Force of what now?
Is “force of will” still going or no?
Yep! New set drops in 3 weeks, with worlds happening in October of this year!
Sure is. Had our prerelease 2 days ago for the new set. Had 14 people show up which isn't too shabby for a smaller TCG I'd say in an LGS.
And regaridng the problem of finding boxes to buy:
That's an US problem. Their preferred online card sellers are different than the EU ones. In EU you cna easily find singles and boxes.
Though most (of us) get our boxes vie LGS. of those 14 people on average everyone preordered 2 each.
Force of wheel sucks I tried it man. I didn't care for it at all. Cars look okay but if I can't play The Game and enjoy it. Then I don't care what the cards have
Gill Lapis says hi!
The pump is real people.
It’s still amazing to me how popular fow actually was when it released, I remember the cat and how it completely changed the game. After that it was just different, I still really enjoy the game its art is beautiful and the game mechanics are brilliant, I quit because no one else was playing lmao makes sense
so force of will is like metazoo but without the 100k print run
Main difference being fow is a good, playable game with some good art. Metapoo is actually just a scam.
What about Grand Archive?
If you have any WoW for sale I'll be the first in line.
keyforge?
Wow $135! LOL.
Rudy, please make a long sleeve AI shirt. Me want
If I had people to play FoW with I would be bullish on FoW. I have one of those FoW collectors boxes with superrare booster I never opened.
i like the game
Quit blue-balling us with the double talk, roodie! Should we invest or not!? ( oДo)📈
All in. Credit cards. Maxed out. BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
Booby Trap from Tempest.
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Force of WHO.... 😂
Man I remember when FoW came out It had so much potential. I miss it to this day :( Such a great game one of my personal favorites.
can always come back. game's still going
Buy and invest only evolving skies English set let’s go!!!!!!!
Buy the Korean ones. They're stupid cheap and the cards inside are still expensive.
Has anybody heard of anybody actually playing this?
Yep! We even had a world championship in 2023 and are launching a new circuit for the game! Small pocketed community for sure when compared to other games, but still being actively played and enjoyed!
Folks!
Serious inquiry as someone who just watches when recommended
Do people seriously invest in you, Rudy, lose out. Then blame you for their stores closing? I found a video yesterday FILLED with what you probably describe as “Timmys” claiming they’ve gone broke or lost money from collections or their stores because of you.
Is it honestly your fault? Do you give them bad deals? Or are they just wastefully investing and shifting blame?
FOLKS!
Filings of Will, the Taco that never dies.
I rarely comment unless you talk about FoW. I love that game 🫶
I still have an unopened Ghost in the Shell set box and “commander” deck on my shelf. Love the card quality but rip the game though.
i do love that game I just had to chooses between FoL or MTG thanks to income, i do still have my cards.
🥃
Force of will… so exciting to be on life support. Pull the plug on that vegetable.
Or…play it? It’s a wonderful game and that’s never changed. Very diverse meta and regular innovation in design space.
It's a great tcg, and the cardstock is the best in the industry
Yawn
The best current TCG remains Keyforge. It has an incredibly diverse meta, 0 netdecking, and the most innovative new sets.
Force of WHO.... 😂
Folks!