Frankly, I think we should keep politics out of watches. They would spoil the enjoyment of admiring and collecting watches. There's always two sides to everything, especially in politics. China might be a bug bear to the West for what it is doing now and what it did during the Korean War. However, in South East Asia, many countries who were invaded and brutalised by the Japanese during WW2 still have not forgotten or forgiven the Japanese for what they did. Koreans may dislike what the Chinese did during the Korean War, but they hate Japanese with a passion for what they did to Korea for 50 years when Japan were their colonial masters. It's especially galling that the Japanese are still taught in their education system that the Japanese Imperial Army were freeing Asians from the yoke of Western Imperialism, and they conveniently gloss over the barbarity of their conquering armies. I've visited Germany many times and have always been impressed by their museums in presenting and explaining the Holocaust with no-holds barred. In Japan, most of the museums portray their actions during WW2 as a liberation from Western Colonial Powers. There is hardly anything about the barbarity, germ warfare, and many others that their military committed in the name of their Emperor. Yet, surprise surprise, we all happily buying Japanese watches without ever considering that.
The western narrative is prevalent but the fact of the matter is many countries and people around the world look favourably on the action taken by the Chinese to save the North Koreans who suffered greatly at the hands of the US and its allies. Many of which were civilians. The Americans were eager to go all the way into mainland China 🇨🇳 if they hadn’t been stopped during the Korean War and their general Patton had no qualms about insisting on the use of nuclear weapons to reverse the tide!
Thank you for this review. I will definitely be wearing mine as the PLA defended the Korean people against the US brutality which led to all those deaths. I live in an aread where thousands of US victims are memorialised.
Big fan of their Ocean Star model. Considered this too. Personally i'm not bothered by the politics. While i have several korean friends and quite familiar with the history, it would be quite hypocritical of me to avoid this watch when i own a North Korean Moranbang, South Korean Gold Star LCD watches, and WW2 Lanco German Luftwaffe, WW2 US Elgin etc. Every country has comited war crimes at one point but whoever made those watches had nothing to to with murdering all those people.
Having this watch is the same as veterans memorialize the war they are evolved with. That's why you see Vietnam, 1st and 2nd gulf war car tags. As for the right or wrong of war your friendly politicians will have a "answer" for that.
Definitivamente usaría este reloj. Creo que el hecho que uno este metido en este hobby no quiere decir que adoptemos una posición política en particular. Finalmente, los relojes, como todo producto cultural están cargados de ideología no? unos de manera más sutil y otros de manera más visible. Por otro lado, un poco cínicos esos ataques a este reloj no? sabiendo que algunos de los que atacan a este Seagull hablan maravillas de los B- Uhr o de los Dirty Dozen (Relojes de la Luftwaffe, de los pilotos americanos que bombardearon Dresden, Horishima..) En fin el reloj en el aspecto técnico es genial y estéticamente es muy bonito, muy estilo vintage. Su caratula es muy original. Lo que si, el precio es un poquito alto. Y más para los paises llamados de "tercer mundo". Saludos desde Lima, Perú
I really like it, it's different and looks good too. I don't see the difference between wearing this or a flieger, 1963 or Vostok tbh. Cheers mate 👍🏻👍🏻
Sorry for the automatic translation. I found this video by chance, looking for information about this watch that had caught my attention. The truth is that, over the "classic" Seagull Military, which has been on the market for a decade, this "Korean" one has a special touch, especially in its strap. What slows me down a bit is the ST25 calibre, which I found unreliable in a Parnis. And now, the question is... why can it be "sensitive" to talk about the Korean war, and not about the endless military tributes to the WWII, even from the German side (B-Uhr), or other military watches like the Dirty Dozen or the Field watches? Mensaje original en castellano, que no me expreso bien en inglés. He encontrado éste vídeo por casualidad, buscando info sobre éste reloj que había llamado mi atención. La verdad es que, sobre el Seagull Military "clásico" que llevará una década en el mercado éste "coreano" tiene un toque especial, sobre todo en su correa. Lo que me frena un poco es el calibre ST25, que no me resultó fiable en un Parnis. Y ahora, la pregunta es... ¿porqué puede ser "sensible" hablar de la guerra coreana, y no de los enésimos homenajes militares a la SGM, incluso del bando alemán (B-Uhr), u otros relojes militares como los Dirty Dozen o los tipo Field?
Hola, que tal? Puedes comentar en Castellano sin ningún problema. La verdad es que es un reloj muy interesante con una esfera preciosa. Igual que tú opino que la gente no debería sentirse ofendida por hablar de acontecimientos históricos como la guerra coreana. Claro, siempre que no se alaben ese tipo de tragedias. Pero bueno, hoy en día la gente es demasiado sensible y se ofende por todo.
Yes. Beautiful watch, but an offensive thing in the west to commemorate. Imagine a trip to South Korea or Taiwan wearing this watch unaware of its meaning. Yikes!
@Gardius Maximus - Yes. I am a US Marine, 1982-1986. Cold Warrior also. My parent's generation was WWII, but I went to with kids whose dads were in the Korean War.
Vostoks and brands that use military stylings and vehicles of war as a design are a bit easier to digest since tools are are more divorced from the ideology that created them. I'm a fan of researching tanks/war planes from various countries and can admire how they were engineered, and not be offended by which side they were used by. The difference to me between a watch like this and Vostok/Fliegers is that the Seagull Army 1's design and message is specifically commemorating the Chinese military involvement in the Korean War, and I can't ignore their military's participation in creating North Korea. Having Korea's 38th parallel on a commemorative watch for the Chinese army is kind of a gut punch to the nation that was split in half. As a result the North Korean citizens are trapped and suffering to this day, hence it's still an open wound and not a healed scar one can look back on like a history lesson. That said, I think the dial itself is very beautiful, and makes for a pretty handsome watch. If it was a watch made to promote unification or peace, I would probably pick it up.
A nice dial on an overweight watch with an offensive message written in English ! The irony is I bet this piece was never meant for a western market, why would any of us want to celebrate their brutality? Excellent research Ivan... that I bet you wish you'd done before purchasing, I had no idea either. Thanks for bringing it to our attention mate.👌
Thank you and you're right! I didn't do any research prior to buying. Lesson learned. Then posted it on FB and received a couple of negative comments which is when I looked it up.
@@waqarhaider2226 do you know what an equity fund is ? Its stocks are shared with the public, once it’s not state owned it has nothing to do with any political party
Frankly, I think we should keep politics out of watches. They would spoil the enjoyment of admiring and collecting watches. There's always two sides to everything, especially in politics. China might be a bug bear to the West for what it is doing now and what it did during the Korean War. However, in South East Asia, many countries who were invaded and brutalised by the Japanese during WW2 still have not forgotten or forgiven the Japanese for what they did. Koreans may dislike what the Chinese did during the Korean War, but they hate Japanese with a passion for what they did to Korea for 50 years when Japan were their colonial masters.
It's especially galling that the Japanese are still taught in their education system that the Japanese Imperial Army were freeing Asians from the yoke of Western Imperialism, and they conveniently gloss over the barbarity of their conquering armies. I've visited Germany many times and have always been impressed by their museums in presenting and explaining the Holocaust with no-holds barred. In Japan, most of the museums portray their actions during WW2 as a liberation from Western Colonial Powers. There is hardly anything about the barbarity, germ warfare, and many others that their military committed in the name of their Emperor. Yet, surprise surprise, we all happily buying Japanese watches without ever considering that.
The western narrative is prevalent but the fact of the matter is many countries and people around the world look favourably on the action taken by the Chinese to save the North Koreans who suffered greatly at the hands of the US and its allies. Many of which were civilians. The Americans were eager to go all the way into mainland China 🇨🇳 if they hadn’t been stopped during the Korean War and their general Patton had no qualms about insisting on the use of nuclear weapons to reverse the tide!
Mao's son was killed in Korean war.
Thank you for this review. I will definitely be wearing mine as the PLA defended the Korean people against the US brutality which led to all those deaths. I live in an aread where thousands of US victims are memorialised.
LOL, US brutality. What world are you living in?
@@waqarhaider2226 clearly you are living on a different planet 🌍 looks like you need an injection of freedom & democracy
@@manaraservices5783Imperialist
A very interesting inspired watch... There is always more than 1 side to a story, and this is an interesting one.
Big fan of their Ocean Star model. Considered this too.
Personally i'm not bothered by the politics. While i have several korean friends and quite familiar with the history, it would be quite hypocritical of me to avoid this watch when i own a North Korean Moranbang, South Korean Gold Star LCD watches, and WW2 Lanco German Luftwaffe, WW2 US Elgin etc.
Every country has comited war crimes at one point but whoever made those watches had nothing to to with murdering all those people.
Having this watch is the same as veterans memorialize the war they are evolved with. That's why you see Vietnam, 1st and 2nd gulf war car tags. As for the right or wrong of war your friendly politicians will have a "answer" for that.
Definitivamente usaría este reloj. Creo que el hecho que uno este metido en este hobby no quiere decir que adoptemos una posición política en particular. Finalmente, los relojes, como todo producto cultural están cargados de ideología no? unos de manera más sutil y otros de manera más visible. Por otro lado, un poco cínicos esos ataques a este reloj no? sabiendo que algunos de los que atacan a este Seagull hablan maravillas de los B- Uhr o de los Dirty Dozen (Relojes de la Luftwaffe, de los pilotos americanos que bombardearon Dresden, Horishima..)
En fin el reloj en el aspecto técnico es genial y estéticamente es muy bonito, muy estilo vintage. Su caratula es muy original. Lo que si, el precio es un poquito alto. Y más para los paises llamados de "tercer mundo". Saludos desde Lima, Perú
Muy bien dicho compañero!
Thank you CCP for saving and defending Korea.
Now we have free korea (north ) and occupied korea (south)
I really like it, it's different and looks good too. I don't see the difference between wearing this or a flieger, 1963 or Vostok tbh.
Cheers mate 👍🏻👍🏻
Sorry for the automatic translation.
I found this video by chance, looking for information about this watch that had caught my attention. The truth is that, over the "classic" Seagull Military, which has been on the market for a decade, this "Korean" one has a special touch, especially in its strap. What slows me down a bit is the ST25 calibre, which I found unreliable in a Parnis. And now, the question is... why can it be "sensitive" to talk about the Korean war, and not about the endless military tributes to the WWII, even from the German side (B-Uhr), or other military watches like the Dirty Dozen or the Field watches?
Mensaje original en castellano, que no me expreso bien en inglés.
He encontrado éste vídeo por casualidad, buscando info sobre éste reloj que había llamado mi atención. La verdad es que, sobre el Seagull Military "clásico" que llevará una década en el mercado éste "coreano" tiene un toque especial, sobre todo en su correa. Lo que me frena un poco es el calibre ST25, que no me resultó fiable en un Parnis. Y ahora, la pregunta es... ¿porqué puede ser "sensible" hablar de la guerra coreana, y no de los enésimos homenajes militares a la SGM, incluso del bando alemán (B-Uhr), u otros relojes militares como los Dirty Dozen o los tipo Field?
Hola, que tal? Puedes comentar en Castellano sin ningún problema. La verdad es que es un reloj muy interesante con una esfera preciosa. Igual que tú opino que la gente no debería sentirse ofendida por hablar de acontecimientos históricos como la guerra coreana. Claro, siempre que no se alaben ese tipo de tragedias. Pero bueno, hoy en día la gente es demasiado sensible y se ofende por todo.
Yes. Beautiful watch, but an offensive thing in the west to commemorate. Imagine a trip to South Korea or Taiwan wearing this watch unaware of its meaning. Yikes!
Exactly!
@Gardius Maximus - Yes. I am a US Marine, 1982-1986. Cold Warrior also. My parent's generation was WWII, but I went to with kids whose dads were in the Korean War.
I have this model watch.
Really interesting watch
Vostoks and brands that use military stylings and vehicles of war as a design are a bit easier to digest since tools are are more divorced from the ideology that created them. I'm a fan of researching tanks/war planes from various countries and can admire how they were engineered, and not be offended by which side they were used by. The difference to me between a watch like this and Vostok/Fliegers is that the Seagull Army 1's design and message is specifically commemorating the Chinese military involvement in the Korean War, and I can't ignore their military's participation in creating North Korea.
Having Korea's 38th parallel on a commemorative watch for the Chinese army is kind of a gut punch to the nation that was split in half. As a result the North Korean citizens are trapped and suffering to this day, hence it's still an open wound and not a healed scar one can look back on like a history lesson. That said, I think the dial itself is very beautiful, and makes for a pretty handsome watch. If it was a watch made to promote unification or peace, I would probably pick it up.
A nice dial on an overweight watch with an offensive message written in English ! The irony is I bet this piece was never meant for a western market, why would any of us want to celebrate their brutality?
Excellent research Ivan... that I bet you wish you'd done before purchasing, I had no idea either. Thanks for bringing it to our attention mate.👌
Thank you and you're right! I didn't do any research prior to buying. Lesson learned. Then posted it on FB and received a couple of negative comments which is when I looked it up.
Most people don't seem to have a problem wearing Flieger watches. Maybe Korea is 'too soon.'
great review but it's a little too political for me to consider buying :)
Thank you! Yeah, that's why I tried not to talk much about it.
Definitely wearable
Made in China .... But it drag me so hard so I couldn't affuse to buy it... It means it's A very well made watch
Sorry, good looking watch, but no way I would buy or wear it.
Seagull's association with the Chinese state bars me from buying any of their watches. Nice piece, but I won't buy it.
@@mk4883 A company blatantly working under the Chinese State is a different thing bro
@@waqarhaider2226 it’s been a private company under an equity fund since 2018… get your infos updated dude
@@yunlongwu8071 who owns the equity fund? Probably some dude associated with the communist party lol
@@waqarhaider2226 do you know what an equity fund is ? Its stocks are shared with the public, once it’s not state owned it has nothing to do with any political party
@@yunlongwu8071 yeah and the state can still have massive stakes in it