Kudos to the filmmakers that are documenting the everyday realities of today, as David Hoffman did in the 1990s! Thank you David, for your service to American culture!
@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker Have you had anyone you've interviewed from back then find their video on your channel and comment? I'd love to know what they think of their reflections from 30 years ago and if they look at things differently now.
@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker I love that you are still interviewing interesting people for us to this day. Your legacy will be unique, and important in generations to come. As each person ages and passes on, the world loses a little more wisdom and experience, much of it from people who have never thought their stories were important, and could educate others coming behind us.🖤🇨🇦
I love how honest she is about her feelings. I think a lot of her feelings mirror mine as I watch the world today. All these different sides and I don’t totally agree with any of them because so of how extreme people are getting and I just want to scream “Stop watching the news and reading the internet and THINK! Just think for yourself.” I honestly try to stay away from news but sometimes it finds it’s way into my little world and then I have to go looking for the source that spins the least one way or the other to see what has actually happened. And like her I just don’t know what to think. What I do see is too many extremes. Extreme comments, actions and ideas. That is for all sides, I just think it’s all too extreme and it’s going to get very bad if everyone doesn’t calm down. Unfortunately, I’ve studied history and know a bit about human nature and the likelihood of them calming down to think is slim. Thanks again for a very thought provoking video and for preserving oral history for generations to come.
she is so great. i can just feel the warm energy of hers through the screen. she smiles with every sentence. she definitely was a great mother, you can tell.
This lovely lady could've been my Mom, if only she had a German accent. The resemblance is striking. A very thought provoking film, yet again. Thank you, David Hoffman, Filmmaker!! Bravo!
One of the things that caught my attention was how she described her parents marriage as compared to her own. It's super interesting how these things change with time; it's easy to fall into the temptation of seeing all previous generations as conservative, especially in the day and age we live in.
I suspect because her parents were maintaining a way of life that was slowly being culturally was being rewritten. Pre-Industrial revolution tasks were equally distributed in equal roles, with everyone pitching in and tasks weren't denigrated for being "women's work" in the sense of being less valuable. It was all considered valuable. Roll to the 1880s, aside from upper middle class, most women had to work and generally, women handled the household finances. Post WW1 it seems to have shifted to moving to what we consider "traditional" roles and any work done in the home wasn't real, it's expected and not valued except on a condescending level. I suspect, because of men coming back from the war and feeling enchroached upon by women proving they can do the work. Same backlash post WW2. The first half of the 20th century was a really short blip on the radar. Still, good on her parents for having a respectful relationship.
@@tundrawomansays5067 Thanks, she could really converse on quite a few subjects. The lady on the video really thought deeply about life and morality. It was a great interview. I am glad we can see these films.
To me, the late sixties went from one extreme end to the other. The fifties, by and large, attempted to suppress the very notion of sexual urges or feelings even being a tangible part of reality. It was the idea that all sexual thoughts are wrong, that even discussing sexual matters is clandestine, but in the late sixties, a new notion arouse, one which declared that all sensual desires must be acted upon, that there is nothing sacred about intimacy, and that lechery is a virtue. This partly came from the fact that the cultural values of the fifties weren’t grounded in anything spiritual or transcendent. People behaved in certain ways because of conformity, therefore making it more convenient to conform to a new set of values.
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but about the idea that in the 60's the culture changed and people thought that sexual urges must be acted on. Can you give examples of that? I was under the impression that in the 60's feminists and other women and men started to question and defy cultural norms about consent and sex and sexual harassment and sexism in general. I think the idea that sex should always be acted in is more of a 90's and 21st century thing because of commercialism. Sex sells and gets attention for obvious reasons. I feel like the "if it feels good, do it" thing is a result of the unhealthy repression and sometimes forced or coerced marriages of the 50's. Basically every married lesbian in the 50's was unfortunately married to a man not because of love or attraction, obviously, but to be suplorted financially and possibly also socially. That's what I mean about coercion.
@@pshkdjdbd3950Statistically, there was a huge uptick in premarital sex in the 70s and 80s. The pop culture, at least in terms of film and television, also started to push a more libertine narrative. Of course, cultural transformation is never universal. In more rural areas, such changes didn’t start to take place until the 80s/90s.
@@batman5224 ok yeah. I agree that tv and media played a role in changing the culture. Its true about how rural areas changed much slowly, and yeah there was more sex before marriage after the 60's but that doesn't mean people had sex because they thought they should always act on impulses and the new norm of hedonism. What I'm asking is what kind of evidence suggests that the 60's caused a new extreme of hypersexuality because of the new social norm? I think the extreme hypersexuality is a relatively new social norm that started around 2011 or so when touch screen phones and tinder were widely used and big tech messed up our lives and made us mere animals.
@@pshkdjdbd3950 It depends on what you mean by sexuality. The notion that sex is a recreational activity that can be separated from covenant relationships certainly took root in the sixties. However, with each generation, promiscuity has steadily increased. What we see today is the logical conclusion of the sixties.
@@batman5224 From the beginning of the ‘60’s until about mid ‘60’s things remained pretty much rooted in the 50’s: Women couldn’t get a credit card without her husband signing for it, a woman’s place was in the home etc. and then....*THE PILL ARRIVED!* That had a profound effect on women and society in general. An unmarried pregnant woman/girl was truly a social outcast while the male sperm doner suffered exactly zero consequences. However, as a friend of mine observed who graduated high school in 1964, got married a week after graduation and had two kids by age 20, “Right in the middle of the ‘60’s they changed the rules!” She and many other women in this cohort got whipsawed from the middle of the ‘60’s to the end of decade. They did everything by the socially acceptable script. And then the script was flipped. BTW, this “promiscuity” you allege has steadily increased? What do you mean? Males have always had at least tacit if not overt permission to have as much sex with as many different partners as they could. And they did. No social stigma associated with males procreating and then denying paternity and walking away. Interestingly, to this day we mandate all kinds of testing on newborns *except for paternity testing.* Hmm...wonder why. No doubt more than a few males unknowingly are raising biological offspring they did not father. Women want equality so let’s mandate DNA testing.
Fascinating. It's like time traveling twice, to 1989 and this eloquent 49-year-old woman's retrospection from her vantage point then, and then again to the 1950s-60s she's remembering. I can't help but wonder if she's still with us, and if so how - at age 81 or 82, - she sees the world we inhabit today. Thank you.
Before workforce was values because men worked and women did the house chores. When women entered the workforce that have gained their financial independence but they also double tho workforce with an impact on the paychecks. 30k after tax in the USA when you have children isn't enough, at least in Washington.
@@elenabob4953 The contraceptive pill was controversial on its introduction in the early fiftys then gained acceptance in the sixtys as a safe birth control method. It had a great impact on women, their opportunities for education and a greatly different life than their mothers.
@@misters2837 no, we have had lots of inflation and a large rise in the cost of living expenses since the 1960's and a consistently wealthy out of touch and apathetic congress that refuses to raise the federal minimum wage. It's still $7.25 per hour in the state I live in while rent is often 400 or 500 dollars a month. plus heating, electric, water and food. Divide and conquer is the oldest elite strategy in the books. Don't scapegoat women for fighting and getting equal workplace rights. That won't get you or anybody else anywhere better politically or economically.
I can relate to a lot of her story. I was Married and a Mother at 16. My Husband and I participated in the counter culture movement of the 60s and I was widowed at 23. There were so many things going on in those times, and young people were pulled in so many different directions that it was hard to find stability. Looking back from my 70s, I do not regret any part of my life…they were interesting times, and I learned a lot. This woman speaks with real clarity about her experiences and feelings. Thank you David for sharing her with us.🖤🇨🇦
@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker it had its difficulties to be sure, but there were a lot of young couples at the time and we tended to help each other. Being widowed young as I was seriously messed me up for awhile, but I just celebrated 46 years with my Husband, and through all the trials, life has been good to me.🖤🇨🇦
@@tamarrajames3590 Ms. James, I have so enjoyed your comments throughout this series, thank you. Married at 16 especially in rural areas was not exceptional at that time. I was also widowed very young but have never remarried. All these decades later, I still love my husband, miss him beyond words and I’m getting quite close to death which I know will relieve the suffering of loving a partner who isn’t and hasn’t been around. I don’t talk about any of this IRL because so few remember my late husband; I can’t even remember the last time someone mentioned his name. Anyway, thank you very much for sharing your experiences and insights. Just wanted you to know an old widow broad living in the boonies thinks you’re one cool lady ;-)
@@tundrawomansays5067 Thank you so much Tundrawoman.I’m sorry you had to go through that loss too. I had never intended to Marry again, but a good man found me, and he was determined…and patient. Eventually I fell in love again, he doesn’t replace Rory, and he has never tried to, he just found there was room in my heart for him. We have shared many happy and loving years…and we aren’t done yet, although my Husband is battling cancer now, we can still travel and do things we enjoy together. Other people always move past a death that doesn’t significantly alter their lives (and often expect us to). It is hard when so many things remind you of your loved one. You see something and think, “wait until he hears this”, before remembering he won’t hear it. Love is a true constant, and when one’s partner is gone, love remains…it isn’t a switch we can turn on and off. I think a lot of people, even Family and close Friends feel that mourning has a period and then is over, they don’t understand. It takes a year or more before you remember the loved one is gone reliably…you cook for two, you are at a bit of a loss on Anniversaries and holidays…and that is okay. The one thing you can’t do is settle for something or someone that is less than what you had. No one will EVE be the same, but real love can blossom without taking away from what you had. My Grandmother just waited until she could join my Granther after he died. She wasn’t in a hurry, and she gardened and did things that brought her happiness, and she couldn’t have remarried, he was her joy and love through War, Great Depression, War again, and so much world change…she was content having loved, and being loved in return. They were self sufficiency farmers with a small commercial orchard in the interior of B.C. I spent formative years on that farm, and learned so much from it. I live in cities now since age 7, but spent Summers on the farm to avoid polio season, which was a great childhood. Sorry I started to write a novel, but I DO understand your choice to not marry again. I’m glad you enjoy my comments, and that you felt moved to share our similarities with me. Wishing you a glorious Spring, and bright blessings.🖤🇨🇦
I grew up as a teen in the 80"s, strict Afrikaans South African mom, strict Greek orthodox dad, wasn't allowed out, didn't experience what regular kids my age were doing. Got married at 21 to the first man who told me he loved me. My mom never mentioned the "birds and bees" to me, so I didn't know I'd get pregnant the first time... Lol i can only laugh about it now. Funny thing is my brothers were allowed so much more freedom.
@@henriklarssen1331 my first husband was a Pakistani Muslim, so when he took me to Pakistan in the early 90"s to meet his family, I guess he told them he'd met a good girl as they treated me with so much love and respect. Even to this day, were divorced but have 2 daughters, I'm still in contact with the family on a regular basis.
Holy shit! I'm so sorry you had to deal with a pregnancy without informed consent. That must have been awful! I can't imagine how that would make a person feel. Parents who don't teach their children about sex and reproduction are cowardly. Smh. I knew about sex ever since I was 8 or 9 because I saw saw a pregnant woman and asked my mom about her belly later that day.
Not sure how im making a woke argument. Kids ask questions about pregnancy at different ages and parents should wait until the kid seems ready to understand. Are you against forced male circumcision? I 100% am. No mans intimate body parts should be removed like that for such a pointless, petty, mean, and overly entitled reason. It does harm and not any good. It's also often humiliating. Science has showed people this knowledge against circumcision. Both men and women gaining knowledge of truth to make decsions for their own body choices is powerful and important to freedoms. Everyone should have the choice to make decisions about their own body if it doesn't harm others. How is it woke to understand scientific proven knowledge of how pregnancy happens and the risks and then for a woman to make the choice of what substance goes into her body, or not? not sure how getting the chance to understand a process and make a decision about pregnancy before it happends is woke.
She is so eloquent explaining exactly how things were at that time, very interesting to listen to. And she says what I've always thought too, that the Manson family terror was the straw that broke the camel's back for the 60s counterculture movement.
My mother had this mindset and I wanted to go to college so bad, but she said they couldn't afford it and my stepdad made too much money for financial aid and I believed her. I felt like my life was a dead end. Marriage wasn't what I really wanted, but I had no support or a step up to get out on my own, so marriage was the only out I could find. If I'd been stronger, like I am now, maybe I could have done more.
Now that you know better, you can do better. ~Maya Angelou. Don't beat yourself up; please pursue what you would like to have now. Wishing you the best. 🙂
Is your husband at least nice and understanding? Because marriage is not a bad thing unless you have a person that is controlling and not caring about the needs of your soul.
I want to say: raising a family is not a BAD thing. Quite the opposite. The amount of work to do it properly is incredible! The problem here is not that intelligent women raise children or are wives, it's that women are not RESPECTED enough for doing something that is great.
@@aguyontheinternet8436 maybe they were. What if they did anything else, thought about that? How would the children end up, how would the man eat after a long day at work? Women being housewives was simply the norm back then. It wasn’t like they were literally forced to stay at home, there just weren’t many other options.
@@magical5181 "How would the children end up ?" Normal. "how would the man eat after a long day at work?" This is such an stupid question on so many levels. 90% of the working class families only cook one time during the early morning. Also men live single while working all the time.
@@testacals oh the children of today are so normal, definitely not mental problems. LGBTQ is definitely not on the rise, and other cancerous ideologies like the just stop oil protestors.
What a lovely, classy lady that shared interesting perspectives of the times and events of her generation. If she is still alive,maybe in her 80"s?I would Love to hear views of the times and events of the last 3 decades!
This lady has described her life and her view and experience of the 1950s and 60s very well. Thanks for showing this interview which is a important recording of the times.
Raising both sons and a daughter did change my perspective on how different it is for men and women to choose a career path as they become adults. I wouldn’t want my daughter to have to settle for a marriage and have to rely on someone to support her. I’m glad some things have changed.
@@madashell7224 the thought of my daughter staying in a bad marriage because she doesn’t have a career to support herself made me push her harder while she was growing up. Although she’s still young and unmarried she is starting her own career and can support herself. People change over time and in 15 years the best marriage could become broken and miserable. And I never liked the idea of my kids relying on other people as adults.
David just out of curiosity are the videos you post videos you have personal filmed or do you just curate vintage videos? Regardless as a 27 year old I enjoy the look into the past. 👍🏼
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Most I know do not engage in premarital sex male and female. But we do not have living in and 14 year engagements. Strongest marriages out there. I am glad I waited. I am worth it.
I very much appreciate this woman and her honesty about the sixties. These were the sentiments of my parents, aunts and uncles. At first it seemed that protestors were well intended but their was more than one line that they crossed. The good intentions of stopping war vs the way our troops were treated when they came home. The good intentions of keeping an open mind vs LSD, etc. The good intentions of wanting equality vs the people who had to work their tails off to actually be treated equally while those who screamed for equality did little more than scream.
People praising these values are forgetting the persecution and ostracization of those women who fell outside of this. It was very one-sided. Men were not tarnished in the same way. I'm not surprised that this beautiful woman was a cheerleader. She is also very intelligent and realises how limiting and stifling that 50s culture was for women. She was very aware of what went wrong in the 60s too though. Very astute and observant lady.
What are you talking about?!! Who was persecuting who?!?! It was the 50s!!! There was nothing going on or do anyway. Life was hard, and things worked this way for centuries before washing machines and all the modern commodities were invented. There was not even running water or electricity in many places back then..... Why the need to complain and blame some imaginary enemies?!?!?
@@gt4654 Either you weren't there or you were living a fairly priviliged lifestyle. I'm going by what I actually experienced and witnessed. Post war Britain. Nothing imaginary about it.
This is an interesting video and I liked hearing what the general mindset of the 50s and 60s was. When she described everyone in the 50s as "asleep" to the issues of the time I thought damn, that makes so much sense. I'm young and I like that I was born in this generation, wouldn't have it any other way. I think sex before marriage is harmless and I don't really care if someone waits for marriage or not. I just feel bad that she felt like she had no other options.
I honestly find it ridiculous that women's sexual status is the so important that it gets put in the title. There are probably more women staying celibate today well into their 20s and 30s than there ever were in the past, just because women now have the option of not relying on sex to survive.
Saddest thing is 70 years later and society is still asleep. Believing everything mainstream media says to be true and blindly following the government's orders
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This is truly heavy and important stuff here… thank you David. And I hope many others can see the likeness between this documentation and todays world we live in…
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I married at 18 in 1971 and my husband and I chose to not replicate our genes. We both had the same severe disease in a sibling and didn't want to risk it. There was a book back then called The Baby Trap by Ellen Peck. She formed a group called NON, the National Organization of Non-Parents, supporting the concept of thoughtfully choosing to be a parent. We were called selfish, of course, but forged ahead, confident in our choice. We were photographed and interviewed for the Baltimore Sunday Sun Magazine and Esquire. I was devastated by the title on the Esquire article "Do Americans Suddenly Hate Kids." Made me cry, that was so not our truth. Found out the writer was Catholic, so what we believed was right for us was just plain wrong to him. Now, nearly 70, I am grateful my husband and I took counsel with a genetic doctor and made the medical choice to be absolutely certain we did not add to problem of replicating bad genes. Especially now, that I developed that disease myself. This woman was so fascinating to watch, thank you. I appreciate how much attention she paid to what was happening in our world and our country and hope she still is.
Not mentioned much or anywhere in comments, but I think the reserved attitudes of the 1950s were a direct consequence of surviving WW II. The war made people understand that life basics - home, food, education, job, all providing sense of safety - were the most important objectives and everything else was secondary or gratuitous. Hence those "quiet years". Then with incerasing prosperity the 1960s were a reaction to and release from that. These are great interview documentaries.
I was born in 1952. I didn’t come out until I was 30 years old. That’s how difficult it was to go beyond what others expected of you, rather than figure out what you wanted or felt. Thank god things have changed for the better.
We're all but puppets of the stars, the 1960's was when the Uranus/Pluto conjunction phase of the synodic cycle happened producing a progressive cultural revolution.
I was mesmerized by this. She would be the same age as my mother. It is so interesting as a woman to see how far we come. But also that we have the same struggles every‘s generation. There’s always going to be that generation gap. I’m already feeling it now that I am in my 50s with the younger people. I think this will be continuing till the end of time. I’m just glad us women have more options now. Very very good video thank you for sharing
I love interviews like this where you can just see ordinary lives, from different eras and with different ways of life. You don't have to agree with everything they say or feel like there should be some comparison between you, but in an era in which people villainize anybody with a different way of life, it really is humanizing to see things like this.
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David Hoffman I like the way you write and show your collection of photos, there neat. It's good to see this about Gett married first and then have children, Thanks for sharing.📽️
Amazing how apeman is always looking for a gap....if you never get married according to legalities set by man pershaps ,however once with another person for awhile you are in reality married per se, anything else any descent woman better keep away ,or man for that matter ,sluts comes in both sexes.
Many people reference the Manson murders and the Altamont concert as the end of the vibe of the 60s. Societal chaos comes and goes. I think we are in a era of such chaos now.
One of the advantages that existed for centuries in the Catholic Church was that single women could enter the convent and pursue a career in a self-supporting female community. Over time the variety of work options increased and included nursing, teaching, administration, vocational training, small-scale manufacturing in cloisters and missionary work. This may not seem like a very wide range of choices now, but years back, it was viewed as quite exciting and adventurous for a girl disinclined toward marriage. In Belgium there were also large communities of unprofessed, religious-minded single women known as the Beguines. These ladies, which included widows with young children, supported themselves and each other with a wide range of work and were also engaged in charity towards the poor. Some members chose to live in their own homes, while others shared accommodations. This organization was founded in the Middle Ages and continued into modern times, spreading beyond Belgian borders. In America the Shakers were a mixed gender, single community dedicated to Christian values and the communal life. So the options were out there, but the absence of informative sources may have resulted in many young women choosing a life unsuited to their temperament.
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Interesting how she thought the lady Era was creating a crazy society but the reality of the evangelical movement makes the drug Era look sane in comparison.
This is really good thing, for sure. Back in the day when Mother, Wife, Lady The Woman, was Queen. And the Center of the Universe of The Family. The HomeMaker. Who was IN CHARGE. She's so correct too, the 60's rolled out and things got crazy. There was definite internal turmoil in American Society. There was no threat from the outside; it was just internally roiling. Like, boiling.
Exactly, the hippie movement came to an abrupt ending when the "love" and "Peace" communes progressed in murderous and suicidal cults and the HIV pandemic came; then the survivors retreated, went back to Church, picked up the pieces, married and became the new conservative parents that they didn't like as kids..... the heaven of the liberated could be a hellish landscape pretty fast, making the sheltered oppressive life, much more appealing
Yeah…that was a really different time! I was born in 1958 and when I got to my teenage years, I was part of a new generation that started pushing back and rebelling!!
This "no sex before marriage and be a good housewife" thing is too flat. But maybe it's because i grew up in the 21st century and i'm a firm believer in this hippy ideology. Who knows? Maybe if i grew up in the 50s i would be flat minded too.
I am thinking of my grandparents born around 1900, and were farmers in Oklahoma. Both grandmas were equal partners in the dfamily farm. Both were capableto run them when Grandpa fell ill and died. I look back and marvel t what great ladies they were.
Being virgin before marriage is a rarity but people could try to stop confusing themselves by sleeping around. After you have tried so many people and let it go so easily ( especially in women case) do you really think that you will have what you need to maintain a relationship and don't break up after the first bump?
I disagree pretty strongly with this sentiment. Especially the implication that it's of less importance for men. I expect many women would take issue with the idea that they'll "lose what they need" for a healthy relationship by dating around and experimenting with their bodies and their sexual selves. From where I'm standing, having had a broader range of experiences is _more_ likely to provide the emotional maturity and self possession need to find a truly compatible partner and maintain a long-term relationship. But of course everyone's different, and I certainly don't think it's impossible or always irresponsible to marry when young and inexperienced.
As a woman, I agree with you 💯%. I’ll get slack for saying so but it is what it is. Women lose their ability to bond with each passing 🔞 partner. Women aren’t the same as men, despite what mainstream says, we are EQUAL but not the SAME. Men work to buy the house, women should work to make it a home. Am I old fashioned and closed minded?? Maybe, but that’s better than being promiscuous, jaded and lacking morals. Our bodies are a TEMPLE, is it really such a bizarre concept that we shouldn’t be eager to let them be used and discarded. if you’re not married to the man you’re sleeping with…that’s exactly what’s happening. IMHO
@@southernsoul152 Yes, you are old fashioned and close minded. When a person has consented sex, their body is not "used". This view of the body and sex is hideous.
@@dwadziesciatrzydwadziescia6047 A woman’s inability to bond after having many partners is scientifically proven. If my acknowledgment of science is “hideous” …so be it. Edit: If someone’s ability (to bond) is reduced having participated in something that is being called being USED. Because it isn’t in the same state it was in previously. Just like anything else in this life…what you abuse, you lose.
@@southernsoul152 First, women are humans. Humans are diverse. The same experiences shape different people in different ways. Second, what you wrote is not scientifically proven, you just made it up.
It seems she did everything she felt was right. Was a cheerleader- got married to a man. Its odd how she demonizes doing what feels “right or good”. She did just that. It scares me when people think there is ONE way. I also wish women realized even today. Churches talk about your abstinence bc they are fetishizing it and preying in you. Step outside of church and no one is so obsessed with you “being a good girl” Protect yourself and follow your morals.
@@erwinsmith1324 the head of churches are men. It benefits them bc they are raising these girls to serve men. How do you serve a man that believes you are his property?
@@Hmm-pn2xx I'm pretty sure the church also promotes abstinence for men too. Does that mean that they are being raised to serve women? I think being chaste is more of a way to show religious devotion in this case and not what you are making it out to be.
@@erwinsmith1324 well sexual abuse is rampant for boys too. I wouldn’t put my family in any church. Plenty to hide behind when you’re a holy man or woman.
Thank you so much Lucie for your contributions to my creative efforts. Right now, as I write you, I am in Yosemite Park for the night with Heidi and have not been here for quite a while. The temperature is not too cold although there is snow on the ground. It is quite beautiful. What is the first time you visited the park? How old were you? David
@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker Great news for Heidi and you! Enjoy! I was there late 80s, in my early 30s. Only time! Must make it back! Is it the quiet season there now? I went in the summer, it was packed with humanity, but I could still look up!
@@DavidHoffmanFilmmakerTalk about things you'd like to do! "Happy Talk, keep talking"🎵🎶 lol ha ha! Stay warm you two! & Enjoy being "high" up in the mountains! ✌😎✌
@@JWF99 My comment during David's life stream was: I thought it went,"Goin honky tonking, honky tonkin! My adults never corrected me. I now stand corrected.
@@luciehanson6250 Lol dear Lucie, I've made up plenty of my own words to many songs! Some are soooo embarrassing, I'd never even speak of it! Too darn funny! :):))))
It's odd how so many of those "no sex before marriage" marriages actually lasted. Most of them were loveless and full of resentments, but they lasted nonetheless.
@@suem6004 Yeah..when youre serious about committment you will overlook resentment, abuse, unhappiness for literally your entire life...great point Sue...
Evidence that most of them were loveless?none? Oh so you're just another brain dead liberal. Why do you have to hate everything from the 50s? Were there loveless marriages? Yes. Were there more than today ? I don't believe so and we can't confirm or deconfirm it either.
If it's of any consolation to her now, women are relearning all over again how much more important it is to have a family than to slave away in a cubicle.
Kudos to the filmmakers that are documenting the everyday realities of today, as David Hoffman did in the 1990s! Thank you David, for your service to American culture!
Thank you for your appreciation of the work that I am and have been doing.
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@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker Have you had anyone you've interviewed from back then find their video on your channel and comment? I'd love to know what they think of their reflections from 30 years ago and if they look at things differently now.
@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker I love that you are still interviewing interesting people for us to this day. Your legacy will be unique, and important in generations to come. As each person ages and passes on, the world loses a little more wisdom and experience, much of it from people who have never thought their stories were important, and could educate others coming behind us.🖤🇨🇦
I love how honest she is about her feelings. I think a lot of her feelings mirror mine as I watch the world today. All these different sides and I don’t totally agree with any of them because so of how extreme people are getting and I just want to scream “Stop watching the news and reading the internet and THINK! Just think for yourself.” I honestly try to stay away from news but sometimes it finds it’s way into my little world and then I have to go looking for the source that spins the least one way or the other to see what has actually happened. And like her I just don’t know what to think. What I do see is too many extremes. Extreme comments, actions and ideas. That is for all sides, I just think it’s all too extreme and it’s going to get very bad if everyone doesn’t calm down. Unfortunately, I’ve studied history and know a bit about human nature and the likelihood of them calming down to think is slim. Thanks again for a very thought provoking video and for preserving oral history for generations to come.
But really you dont want to work, like everyone else. No one wants to work and it would be awesome if a man would work so I wouldnt have to.
she is so great. i can just feel the warm energy of hers through the screen. she smiles with every sentence. she definitely was a great mother, you can tell.
It was a pleasure to interview her.
This lovely lady could've been my Mom, if only she had a German accent. The resemblance is striking. A very thought provoking film, yet again. Thank you, David Hoffman, Filmmaker!! Bravo!
One of the things that caught my attention was how she described her parents marriage as compared to her own. It's super interesting how these things change with time; it's easy to fall into the temptation of seeing all previous generations as conservative, especially in the day and age we live in.
I suspect because her parents were maintaining a way of life that was slowly being culturally was being rewritten. Pre-Industrial revolution tasks were equally distributed in equal roles, with everyone pitching in and tasks weren't denigrated for being "women's work" in the sense of being less valuable. It was all considered valuable. Roll to the 1880s, aside from upper middle class, most women had to work and generally, women handled the household finances. Post WW1 it seems to have shifted to moving to what we consider "traditional" roles and any work done in the home wasn't real, it's expected and not valued except on a condescending level. I suspect, because of men coming back from the war and feeling enchroached upon by women proving they can do the work. Same backlash post WW2. The first half of the 20th century was a really short blip on the radar. Still, good on her parents for having a respectful relationship.
@@minorshan I couldn't have said that better myself. I agree wholeheartedly with your interpretation.
She is just great! This is like having a conversation with my mom. I really miss her.❤
Sounds like your mom was wonderful! I’m sure you do miss her very much.
How I would loved to have had a mother like your’s.
@@tundrawomansays5067 Thanks, she could really converse on quite a few subjects. The lady on the video really thought deeply about life and morality. It was a great interview. I am glad we can see these films.
To me, the late sixties went from one extreme end to the other. The fifties, by and large, attempted to suppress the very notion of sexual urges or feelings even being a tangible part of reality. It was the idea that all sexual thoughts are wrong, that even discussing sexual matters is clandestine, but in the late sixties, a new notion arouse, one which declared that all sensual desires must be acted upon, that there is nothing sacred about intimacy, and that lechery is a virtue. This partly came from the fact that the cultural values of the fifties weren’t grounded in anything spiritual or transcendent. People behaved in certain ways because of conformity, therefore making it more convenient to conform to a new set of values.
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but about the idea that in the 60's the culture changed and people thought that sexual urges must be acted on. Can you give examples of that? I was under the impression that in the 60's feminists and other women and men started to question and defy cultural norms about consent and sex and sexual harassment and sexism in general.
I think the idea that sex should always be acted in is more of a 90's and 21st century thing because of commercialism. Sex sells and gets attention for obvious reasons.
I feel like the "if it feels good, do it" thing is a result of the unhealthy repression and sometimes forced or coerced marriages of the 50's. Basically every married lesbian in the 50's was unfortunately married to a man not because of love or attraction, obviously, but to be suplorted financially and possibly also socially. That's what I mean about coercion.
@@pshkdjdbd3950Statistically, there was a huge uptick in premarital sex in the 70s and 80s. The pop culture, at least in terms of film and television, also started to push a more libertine narrative. Of course, cultural transformation is never universal. In more rural areas, such changes didn’t start to take place until the 80s/90s.
@@batman5224 ok yeah. I agree that tv and media played a role in changing the culture. Its true about how rural areas changed much slowly, and yeah there was more sex before marriage after the 60's but that doesn't mean people had sex because they thought they should always act on impulses and the new norm of hedonism.
What I'm asking is what kind of evidence suggests that the 60's caused a new extreme of hypersexuality because of the new social norm? I think the extreme hypersexuality is a relatively new social norm that started around 2011 or so when touch screen phones and tinder were widely used and big tech messed up our lives and made us mere animals.
@@pshkdjdbd3950 It depends on what you mean by sexuality. The notion that sex is a recreational activity that can be separated from covenant relationships certainly took root in the sixties. However, with each generation, promiscuity has steadily increased. What we see today is the logical conclusion of the sixties.
@@batman5224 From the beginning of the ‘60’s until about mid ‘60’s things remained pretty much rooted in the 50’s: Women couldn’t get a credit card without her husband signing for it, a woman’s place was in the home etc. and then....*THE PILL ARRIVED!* That had a profound effect on women and society in general. An unmarried pregnant woman/girl was truly a social outcast while the male sperm doner suffered exactly zero consequences. However, as a friend of mine observed who graduated high school in 1964, got married a week after graduation and had two kids by age 20, “Right in the middle of the ‘60’s they changed the rules!” She and many other women in this cohort got whipsawed from the middle of the ‘60’s to the end of decade. They did everything by the socially acceptable script.
And then the script was flipped.
BTW, this “promiscuity” you allege has steadily increased? What do you mean? Males have always had at least tacit if not overt permission to have as much sex with as many different partners as they could. And they did. No social stigma associated with males procreating and then denying paternity and walking away. Interestingly, to this day we mandate all kinds of testing on newborns *except for paternity testing.* Hmm...wonder why. No doubt more than a few males unknowingly are raising biological offspring they did not father. Women want equality so let’s mandate DNA testing.
I have so much respect for this woman
Fascinating. It's like time traveling twice, to 1989 and this eloquent 49-year-old woman's retrospection from her vantage point then, and then again to the 1950s-60s she's remembering. I can't help but wonder if she's still with us, and if so how - at age 81 or 82, - she sees the world we inhabit today. Thank you.
"oh, I've seen this one! This is a rerun..."
Very interesting Interview! Sidenote: this young lady is now 82 years old! :-)
Really??? Wowza.
Ohh, remember the times when parents shared responsabilites and one salary was more than enough to keep a household?
1 salary is enough it just has to be more than 30k.
Before workforce was values because men worked and women did the house chores. When women entered the workforce that have gained their financial independence but they also double tho workforce with an impact on the paychecks.
30k after tax in the USA when you have children isn't enough, at least in Washington.
@@elenabob4953 We have "Rosie The Riviter" to thank for much of that....
@@elenabob4953 The contraceptive pill was controversial on its introduction in the early fiftys then gained acceptance in the sixtys as a safe birth control method. It had a great impact on women, their opportunities for education and a greatly different life than their mothers.
@@misters2837 no, we have had lots of inflation and a large rise in the cost of living expenses since the 1960's and a consistently wealthy out of touch and apathetic congress that refuses to raise the federal minimum wage. It's still $7.25 per hour in the state I live in while rent is often 400 or 500 dollars a month. plus heating, electric, water and food.
Divide and conquer is the oldest elite strategy in the books. Don't scapegoat women for fighting and getting equal workplace rights. That won't get you or anybody else anywhere better politically or economically.
I can relate to a lot of her story. I was Married and a Mother at 16. My Husband and I participated in the counter culture movement of the 60s and I was widowed at 23. There were so many things going on in those times, and young people were pulled in so many different directions that it was hard to find stability. Looking back from my 70s, I do not regret any part of my life…they were interesting times, and I learned a lot. This woman speaks with real clarity about her experiences and feelings. Thank you David for sharing her with us.🖤🇨🇦
Thank you Tamarra. Married at 16 and a mother at 16 must have been tough.
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@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker it had its difficulties to be sure, but there were a lot of young couples at the time and we tended to help each other. Being widowed young as I was seriously messed me up for awhile, but I just celebrated 46 years with my Husband, and through all the trials, life has been good to me.🖤🇨🇦
@@tamarrajames3590 Ms. James, I have so enjoyed your comments throughout this series, thank you.
Married at 16 especially in rural areas was not exceptional at that time. I was also widowed very young but have never remarried. All these decades later, I still love my husband, miss him beyond words and I’m getting quite close to death which I know will relieve the suffering of loving a partner who isn’t and hasn’t been around. I don’t talk about any of this IRL because so few remember my late husband; I can’t even remember the last time someone mentioned his name.
Anyway, thank you very much for sharing your experiences and insights. Just wanted you to know an old widow broad living in the boonies thinks you’re one cool lady ;-)
@@tundrawomansays5067 Thank you so much Tundrawoman.I’m sorry you had to go through that loss too. I had never intended to Marry again, but a good man found me, and he was determined…and patient. Eventually I fell in love again, he doesn’t replace Rory, and he has never tried to, he just found there was room in my heart for him. We have shared many happy and loving years…and we aren’t done yet, although my Husband is battling cancer now, we can still travel and do things we enjoy together. Other people always move past a death that doesn’t significantly alter their lives (and often expect us to). It is hard when so many things remind you of your loved one. You see something and think, “wait until he hears this”, before remembering he won’t hear it. Love is a true constant, and when one’s partner is gone, love remains…it isn’t a switch we can turn on and off. I think a lot of people, even Family and close Friends feel that mourning has a period and then is over, they don’t understand. It takes a year or more before you remember the loved one is gone reliably…you cook for two, you are at a bit of a loss on Anniversaries and holidays…and that is okay. The one thing you can’t do is settle for something or someone that is less than what you had. No one will EVE be the same, but real love can blossom without taking away from what you had. My Grandmother just waited until she could join my Granther after he died. She wasn’t in a hurry, and she gardened and did things that brought her happiness, and she couldn’t have remarried, he was her joy and love through War, Great Depression, War again, and so much world change…she was content having loved, and being loved in return. They were self sufficiency farmers with a small commercial orchard in the interior of B.C. I spent formative years on that farm, and learned so much from it. I live in cities now since age 7, but spent Summers on the farm to avoid polio season, which was a great childhood. Sorry I started to write a novel, but I DO understand your choice to not marry again. I’m glad you enjoy my comments, and that you felt moved to share our similarities with me. Wishing you a glorious Spring, and bright blessings.🖤🇨🇦
Hippies ruined this country, then the bleeding hearts and feminists that were mainstreamed by them killed what was left.
I grew up as a teen in the 80"s, strict Afrikaans South African mom, strict Greek orthodox dad, wasn't allowed out, didn't experience what regular kids my age were doing. Got married at 21 to the first man who told me he loved me. My mom never mentioned the "birds and bees" to me, so I didn't know I'd get pregnant the first time... Lol i can only laugh about it now. Funny thing is my brothers were allowed so much more freedom.
Sounds the same when it comes to Muslims, the Sons are always allowed to do what they want, the Daughters not so much.
@@henriklarssen1331 my first husband was a Pakistani Muslim, so when he took me to Pakistan in the early 90"s to meet his family, I guess he told them he'd met a good girl as they treated me with so much love and respect. Even to this day, were divorced but have 2 daughters, I'm still in contact with the family on a regular basis.
Holy shit! I'm so sorry you had to deal with a pregnancy without informed consent. That must have been awful! I can't imagine how that would make a person feel. Parents who don't teach their children about sex and reproduction are cowardly. Smh. I knew about sex ever since I was 8 or 9 because I saw saw a pregnant woman and asked my mom about her belly later that day.
I was done the same way.
Not sure how im making a woke argument. Kids ask questions about pregnancy at different ages and parents should wait until the kid seems ready to understand.
Are you against forced male circumcision? I 100% am. No mans intimate body parts should be removed like that for such a pointless, petty, mean, and overly entitled reason. It does harm and not any good. It's also often humiliating. Science has showed people this knowledge against circumcision.
Both men and women gaining knowledge of truth to make decsions for their own body choices is powerful and important to freedoms. Everyone should have the choice to make decisions about their own body if it doesn't harm others.
How is it woke to understand scientific proven knowledge of how pregnancy happens and the risks and then for a woman to make the choice of what substance goes into her body, or not? not sure how getting the chance to understand a process and make a decision about pregnancy before it happends is woke.
She is so eloquent explaining exactly how things were at that time, very interesting to listen to. And she says what I've always thought too, that the Manson family terror was the straw that broke the camel's back for the 60s counterculture movement.
My mother had this mindset and I wanted to go to college so bad, but she said they couldn't afford it and my stepdad made too much money for financial aid and I believed her. I felt like my life was a dead end. Marriage wasn't what I really wanted, but I had no support or a step up to get out on my own, so marriage was the only out I could find. If I'd been stronger, like I am now, maybe I could have done more.
You still have life ahead of you
Now that you know better, you can do better. ~Maya Angelou. Don't beat yourself up; please pursue what you would like to have now. Wishing you the best. 🙂
You did the right thing by getting married instead of trying to be an individual.
Is your husband at least nice and understanding? Because marriage is not a bad thing unless you have a person that is controlling and not caring about the needs of your soul.
For many of us ..boomer here
This lady is so different than our mom was. Maybe always living in rural areas made a difference. I like listening to her. Thank you for sharing this!
I want to say: raising a family is not a BAD thing. Quite the opposite. The amount of work to do it properly is incredible!
The problem here is not that intelligent women raise children or are wives, it's that women are not RESPECTED enough for doing something that is great.
or maybe that they weren't allowed to do anything else. . .
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Its looked down upon by women nowadays to raise a family which is stupid, one of the points of life is raising a family.
@@aguyontheinternet8436 maybe they were. What if they did anything else, thought about that? How would the children end up, how would the man eat after a long day at work?
Women being housewives was simply the norm back then. It wasn’t like they were literally forced to stay at home, there just weren’t many other options.
@@magical5181 "How would the children end up ?"
Normal.
"how would the man eat after a long day at work?"
This is such an stupid question on so many levels. 90% of the working class families only cook one time during the early morning. Also men live single while working all the time.
@@testacals oh the children of today are so normal, definitely not mental problems. LGBTQ is definitely not on the rise, and other cancerous ideologies like the just stop oil protestors.
What a lovely, classy lady that shared interesting perspectives of the times and events of her generation. If she is still alive,maybe in her 80"s?I would Love to hear views of the times and events of the last 3 decades!
This lady has described her life and her view and experience of the 1950s and 60s very well. Thanks for showing this interview which is a important recording of the times.
She covered so many topics about that time period in 8 mns that's amazing !
Wow, such an eloquent and self-conscious person!
Raising both sons and a daughter did change my perspective on how different it is for men and women to choose a career path as they become adults. I wouldn’t want my daughter to have to settle for a marriage and have to rely on someone to support her. I’m glad some things have changed.
@@madashell7224 the thought of my daughter staying in a bad marriage because she doesn’t have a career to support herself made me push her harder while she was growing up. Although she’s still young and unmarried she is starting her own career and can support herself. People change over time and in 15 years the best marriage could become broken and miserable. And I never liked the idea of my kids relying on other people as adults.
1 granddog/cat coming soon!
@@wenmoonson we can only hope he's also instilled in her that her existence isn't to breed more humans on an already overpopulated earth.
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So, did you end up with a good husband??
David just out of curiosity are the videos you post videos you have personal filmed or do you just curate vintage videos? Regardless as a 27 year old I enjoy the look into the past. 👍🏼
I was certainly born in the wrong Era. Thank you David. You always make me smile. What wonderful work you have done over the years.
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I will check it hat out. Thank you David. 😊
Check it out. Silly phone....
I fucking love this channel. I could watch these all day
Most I know do not engage in premarital sex male and female. But we do not have living in and 14 year engagements. Strongest marriages out there. I am glad I waited. I am worth it.
I very much appreciate this woman and her honesty about the sixties. These were the sentiments of my parents, aunts and uncles. At first it seemed that protestors were well intended but their was more than one line that they crossed. The good intentions of stopping war vs the way our troops were treated when they came home. The good intentions of keeping an open mind vs LSD, etc. The good intentions of wanting equality vs the people who had to work their tails off to actually be treated equally while those who screamed for equality did little more than scream.
I love hearing these old takes. It really makes me think deeper.
The Boomers: Split in half between Leave It To Beaver world and Vietnam.
Nothing wrong with real family values. 👪
👏🏾 now women are having a million kids out of wedlock and complaining how “there no good men left.”
You can have family values and make your own money.😐
Nothing wrong with choosing what that means, either!
@@mesalouis8976 Having children out of wedlock is still a fairly uncommon incident
People praising these values are forgetting the persecution and ostracization of those women who fell outside of this. It was very one-sided. Men were not tarnished in the same way.
I'm not surprised that this beautiful woman was a cheerleader.
She is also very intelligent and realises how limiting and stifling that 50s culture was for women.
She was very aware of what went wrong in the 60s too though.
Very astute and observant lady.
Oh stop it. Nothing wrong with a woman choosing self respect.
What are you talking about?!! Who was persecuting who?!?! It was the 50s!!! There was nothing going on or do anyway. Life was hard, and things worked this way for centuries before washing machines and all the modern commodities were invented. There was not even running water or electricity in many places back then.....
Why the need to complain and blame some imaginary enemies?!?!?
@@gt4654 Either you weren't there or you were living a fairly priviliged lifestyle.
I'm going by what I actually experienced and witnessed. Post war Britain. Nothing imaginary about it.
What a wonderful woman … very articulate and interesting to listen too. Thank you David. I hope all is good with you and your family 🇬🇧
This is an interesting video and I liked hearing what the general mindset of the 50s and 60s was. When she described everyone in the 50s as "asleep" to the issues of the time I thought damn, that makes so much sense.
I'm young and I like that I was born in this generation, wouldn't have it any other way. I think sex before marriage is harmless and I don't really care if someone waits for marriage or not. I just feel bad that she felt like she had no other options.
I honestly find it ridiculous that women's sexual status is the so important that it gets put in the title. There are probably more women staying celibate today well into their 20s and 30s than there ever were in the past, just because women now have the option of not relying on sex to survive.
Saddest thing is 70 years later and society is still asleep. Believing everything mainstream media says to be true and blindly following the government's orders
The stuff you upload it just pure gold, Thank you!
Thank you.
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This is truly heavy and important stuff here… thank you David. And I hope many others can see the likeness between this documentation and todays world we live in…
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This is very important. Thank you Dave!
This was very illuminating!
Here, following, the man from the 50s, vid. This stuff is wonderful. Very important these REAL stories, live on, lest history repeats....
I married at 18 in 1971 and my husband and I chose to not replicate our genes. We both had the same severe disease in a sibling and didn't want to risk it. There was a book back then called The Baby Trap by Ellen Peck. She formed a group called NON, the National Organization of Non-Parents, supporting the concept of thoughtfully choosing to be a parent. We were called selfish, of course, but forged ahead, confident in our choice. We were photographed and interviewed for the Baltimore Sunday Sun Magazine and Esquire. I was devastated by the title on the Esquire article "Do Americans Suddenly Hate Kids." Made me cry, that was so not our truth. Found out the writer was Catholic, so what we believed was right for us was just plain wrong to him. Now, nearly 70, I am grateful my husband and I took counsel with a genetic doctor and made the medical choice to be absolutely certain we did not add to problem of replicating bad genes. Especially now, that I developed that disease myself. This woman was so fascinating to watch, thank you. I appreciate how much attention she paid to what was happening in our world and our country and hope she still is.
Plenty of kids in need of adoption by loving parents, I think your decision was just fine!
Not mentioned much or anywhere in comments, but I think the reserved attitudes of the 1950s were a direct consequence of surviving WW II. The war made people understand that life basics - home, food, education, job, all providing sense of safety - were the most important objectives and everything else was secondary or gratuitous. Hence those "quiet years". Then with incerasing prosperity the 1960s were a reaction to and release from that. These are great interview documentaries.
Thank you! I like her! Honest, intelligent and wise. And gorgeous of course! 😊❤🙏
Do you know if she’s still alive? Would love to know her perspective now!!
I was born in 1952. I didn’t come out until I was 30 years old. That’s how difficult it was to go beyond what others expected of you, rather than figure out what you wanted or felt. Thank god things have changed for the better.
Yes we certainly are at the apex of human civilization.
you have caught a moment showing our transition from hunter/gather mentality to modern modern way of life.
We're all but puppets of the stars, the 1960's was when the Uranus/Pluto conjunction phase of the synodic cycle happened producing a progressive cultural revolution.
Wow this is so classic. What an amazing snapshot in time. Do you know if this women is still alive?
I was mesmerized by this. She would be the same age as my mother. It is so interesting as a woman to see how far we come. But also that we have the same struggles every‘s generation. There’s always going to be that generation gap. I’m already feeling it now that I am in my 50s with the younger people. I think this will be continuing till the end of time. I’m just glad us women have more options now. Very very good video thank you for sharing
I love interviews like this where you can just see ordinary lives, from different eras and with different ways of life. You don't have to agree with everything they say or feel like there should be some comparison between you, but in an era in which people villainize anybody with a different way of life, it really is humanizing to see things like this.
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David Hoffman I like the way you write and show your collection of photos, there neat. It's good to see this about Gett married first and then have children, Thanks for sharing.📽️
How refreshing this is.
what a lovely, elegant, articulate lady.
our present generation could use a few tips here....
The more I hear about the 60s the more confused I get.
Many times the official story said one thing but the lived experience is another.
This is an excellent interview.
#KineticAwesomeness 😎🔥
Great woman. Beautiful. What year was this filmed........?
Read the description please.
I'm 23, my girlfriend is 22, been together for 8 years. We're both waiting until marriage before sex
no way
Hmmmm 🤔
Good job.
Don't wait too much and be careful not to drift appart because you grow up and you start wanting completely different things.
🤔🤔🤔
Not disagreeing, but that world seems like a fairy tale world in comparison to today's world in 2022.
It seems also tat people had a calm and another pase than. Now everyone seems to be in a hurry, to what nobody knows but in a hurry nevertheless.
@@elenabob4953 Agree, in a hurry for nothing and in a hurry to get there soon.
@@thisisme3238 call it live fast asf and die young
Thank you. You put a lot of work into your videos and it shows.
Let's bring these women back.
wholesome lady
thanks david
“It’s not premarital sex if you never get married”
OMG! Thank you for that. Made my day. 👏🏻
Amazing how apeman is always looking for a gap....if you never get married according to legalities set by man pershaps ,however once with another person for awhile you are in reality married per se, anything else any descent woman better keep away ,or man for that matter ,sluts comes in both sexes.
Many people reference the Manson murders and the Altamont concert as the end of the vibe of the 60s. Societal chaos comes and goes. I think we are in a era of such chaos now.
One of the advantages that existed for centuries in the Catholic Church was that single women could enter the convent and pursue a career in a self-supporting female community. Over time the variety of work options increased and included nursing, teaching, administration, vocational training, small-scale manufacturing in cloisters and missionary work. This may not seem like a very wide range of choices now, but years back, it was viewed as quite exciting and adventurous for a girl disinclined toward marriage.
In Belgium there were also large communities of unprofessed, religious-minded single women known as the Beguines. These ladies, which included widows with young children, supported themselves and each other with a wide range of work and were also engaged in charity towards the poor. Some members chose to live in their own homes, while others shared accommodations. This organization was founded in the Middle Ages and continued into modern times, spreading beyond Belgian borders.
In America the Shakers were a mixed gender, single community dedicated to Christian values and the communal life. So the options were out there, but the absence of informative sources may have resulted in many young women choosing a life unsuited to their temperament.
This women is elegant and has a cool a haircut
*David Hoffman no sex before marriage 50s sixty she changed Manson murders ended this debacle appreciate your videos Listening from Mass USA TYVM 💙 David*
Where is her accent from? I’m from Philadelphia and it sounds familiar. But could be Midwest too
Chicago.
So today she is or would be 82 years young! Hope she is still with us.
Interesting how she thought the lady Era was creating a crazy society but the reality of the evangelical movement makes the drug Era look sane in comparison.
This is really good thing, for sure.
Back in the day when Mother, Wife, Lady The Woman, was Queen.
And the Center of the Universe of The Family.
The HomeMaker.
Who was IN CHARGE.
She's so correct too, the 60's rolled out and things got crazy. There was definite internal turmoil in American Society.
There was no threat from the outside; it was just internally roiling.
Like, boiling.
Exactly, the hippie movement came to an abrupt ending when the "love" and "Peace" communes progressed in murderous and suicidal cults and the HIV pandemic came; then the survivors retreated, went back to Church, picked up the pieces, married and became the new conservative parents that they didn't like as kids..... the heaven of the liberated could be a hellish landscape pretty fast, making the sheltered oppressive life, much more appealing
Fascinating videos.
Yeah…that was a really different time! I was born in 1958 and when I got to my teenage years, I was part of a new generation that started pushing back and rebelling!!
This "no sex before marriage and be a good housewife" thing is too flat.
But maybe it's because i grew up in the 21st century and i'm a firm believer in this hippy ideology. Who knows? Maybe if i grew up in the 50s i would be flat minded too.
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Me too. Since i don't know anything about astrology.
I bet she was a real looker in high school, cheerleaders we the best.
Wow!! She was 22 in 1962?? She looks very young to be that age, even for back then, assuming this was taped around the late 1980s or so.....
Please read the description as when this was taped.
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Yep 1989. Even for 1989, I would have thought she was 5 to 10 yrs younger than that......
Her words resonate today in 2022
I am thinking of my grandparents born around 1900, and were farmers in Oklahoma. Both grandmas were equal partners in the dfamily farm. Both were capableto run them when Grandpa fell ill and died. I look back and marvel t what great ladies they were.
And... even today, there's 25% or so of Americans that live in the 50s... in the 1850s.
1962 she says she was 22 years old. Okay, THAT'S why she looked so young in 1990...because she was!🙂
I always wished I grew up in the 50s. My favorite time in america minus the racism
Racism is in every time it’s as old as history
Being virgin before marriage is a rarity but people could try to stop confusing themselves by sleeping around. After you have tried so many people and let it go so easily ( especially in women case) do you really think that you will have what you need to maintain a relationship and don't break up after the first bump?
I disagree pretty strongly with this sentiment. Especially the implication that it's of less importance for men. I expect many women would take issue with the idea that they'll "lose what they need" for a healthy relationship by dating around and experimenting with their bodies and their sexual selves. From where I'm standing, having had a broader range of experiences is _more_ likely to provide the emotional maturity and self possession need to find a truly compatible partner and maintain a long-term relationship.
But of course everyone's different, and I certainly don't think it's impossible or always irresponsible to marry when young and inexperienced.
As a woman, I agree with you 💯%. I’ll get slack for saying so but it is what it is. Women lose their ability to bond with each passing 🔞 partner. Women aren’t the same as men, despite what mainstream says, we are EQUAL but not the SAME. Men work to buy the house, women should work to make it a home. Am I old fashioned and closed minded?? Maybe, but that’s better than being promiscuous, jaded and lacking morals. Our bodies are a TEMPLE, is it really such a bizarre concept that we shouldn’t be eager to let them be used and discarded. if you’re not married to the man you’re sleeping with…that’s exactly what’s happening. IMHO
@@southernsoul152 Yes, you are old fashioned and close minded. When a person has consented sex, their body is not "used". This view of the body and sex is hideous.
@@dwadziesciatrzydwadziescia6047 A woman’s inability to bond after having many partners is scientifically proven. If my acknowledgment of science is “hideous” …so be it.
Edit: If someone’s ability (to bond) is reduced having participated in something that is being called being USED. Because it isn’t in the same state it was in previously. Just like anything else in this life…what you abuse, you lose.
@@southernsoul152 First, women are humans. Humans are diverse. The same experiences shape different people in different ways. Second, what you wrote is not scientifically proven, you just made it up.
Videos like this envoke a strong sense of sonder
Amazing job as always ❤️
My mom is 70 and she is from that era thinking like her.
I kinda like the way she says “absolutely not.” For some reason
It seems she did everything she felt was right. Was a cheerleader- got married to a man. Its odd how she demonizes doing what feels “right or good”. She did just that. It scares me when people think there is ONE way.
I also wish women realized even today. Churches talk about your abstinence bc they are fetishizing it and preying in you. Step outside of church and no one is so obsessed with you “being a good girl”
Protect yourself and follow your morals.
Why would the church fetishize abstinence. How would it benefit the church ?
@@erwinsmith1324 the head of churches are men. It benefits them bc they are raising these girls to serve men. How do you serve a man that believes you are his property?
They are raising men and women that justify abuse. I’m glad my mom took me out of the Catholic Church at 8
@@Hmm-pn2xx I'm pretty sure the church also promotes abstinence for men too. Does that mean that they are being raised to serve women? I think being chaste is more of a way to show religious devotion in this case and not what you are making it out to be.
@@erwinsmith1324 well sexual abuse is rampant for boys too. I wouldn’t put my family in any church. Plenty to hide behind when you’re a holy man or woman.
Thanks!
Thank you so much Lucie for your contributions to my creative efforts. Right now, as I write you, I am in Yosemite Park for the night with Heidi and have not been here for quite a while. The temperature is not too cold although there is snow on the ground. It is quite beautiful. What is the first time you visited the park? How old were you?
David
@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker Great news for Heidi and you! Enjoy!
I was there late 80s, in my early 30s. Only time!
Must make it back!
Is it the quiet season there now? I went in the summer, it was packed with humanity, but I could still look up!
@@DavidHoffmanFilmmakerTalk about things you'd like to do! "Happy Talk, keep talking"🎵🎶 lol ha ha! Stay warm you two! & Enjoy being "high" up in the mountains!
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@@JWF99 My comment during David's life stream was: I thought it went,"Goin honky tonking, honky tonkin! My adults never corrected me.
I now stand corrected.
@@luciehanson6250 Lol dear Lucie, I've made up plenty of my own words to many songs! Some are soooo embarrassing, I'd never even speak of it! Too darn funny! :):))))
Did you interview POC of the same era?
It's odd how so many of those "no sex before marriage" marriages actually lasted. Most of them were loveless and full of resentments, but they lasted nonetheless.
THIS. Exactly.
A pyrrhic victory at best :/
Because it was about commitment and not sex. See, how commitment can outlast frivolous sex? A lost art
@@suem6004 Yeah..when youre serious about committment you will overlook resentment, abuse, unhappiness for literally your entire life...great point Sue...
Evidence that most of them were loveless?none? Oh so you're just another brain dead liberal. Why do you have to hate everything from the 50s? Were there loveless marriages? Yes. Were there more than today ? I don't believe so and we can't confirm or deconfirm it either.
WOW this lady would be 82 today....
Whats up with the title? That took up 20 seconds in an almost 9 min video.
I will be interesting to see an honest look back At today, and the roles that are expected to be played
What is a confidential secretary?
If it's of any consolation to her now, women are relearning all over again how much more important it is to have a family than to slave away in a cubicle.
Women have always known that. The real question is do MEN know that?
@@shells500tutubo as a man myself I would have to say no
If anything, it's the men who are workaholic.
Man have times changed .
Tbh as a 32 years old married man I don't see sex as I used to do as teenager or single young man.
Classic example of a person who is way too agreeable. She did what she was told her whole life, including when she got woke in the 60s.
most people are followers for better or worse.
Powerful.
This is a great interview. I feel like she's describing. I look at the world around me and wonder what the heck is going on!