DYATLOV PASS - MADNESS IN THE MOUNTAINS feat
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Thanks to Dyatlovpass.com and Unknown Compelling Force documentary for the information and imagery.
The Dyatlov Pass incident (Russian: гибель тургруппы Дятлова, transl. "Death of the Dyatlov Tour Group") was an event in which nine Soviet hikers died in the northern Ural Mountains between February 1 and 2, 1959, under uncertain circumstances. The experienced trekking group from the Ural Polytechnical Institute, led by Igor Dyatlov, had established a camp on the eastern slopes of Kholat Syakhl in the Russian SFSR of the Soviet Union. Overnight, something caused them to cut their way out of their tent and flee the campsite while inadequately dressed for the heavy snowfall and sub-zero temperatures.
DK not hitting bricky with a quote and dunking on him for missing it is tragic
Mhmm I honestly expected something like that, DK is indeed the bigger guy. gg
@@heboric6136 Bricky can't help it. He's just a little guy.
“Hey stewardess, I have a bomb!” -DK
Get rid of host constantly uttering over- exaggerated idiocy.
To counter your big issue with the missing eyes and tongue. My wildlife biologist friend says they are prime feasting for any and all manner of birds, while the rest takes more effort to get a crack at.
I think its more likely she bit her tongue off. Its really easy to do and I actually lost my owm because of that. I was resting my head on the window frame and the window pane came down and chomped my own tongue. Had to get stitches and to this day I think I speech issues due to possible internal tongue damage. Likely she slammed her head or some force pushed her which cause her tongue to get chomped by here own teeth
@@theamericankaiser4549 IIRC the body in question was found in a gorge cut by a creek with the head sticking out from the snow. So either is a possibility but we cannot tell for sure because quite a bit of time had passed between their deaths and the time they were found.
@@theamericankaiser4549 the problem with that is the fact that the autopsy said that the entire tongue including muscles on the floor of the mouth were missing. could someone bite off their own tongue while getting hit by an avalanche? yeah, but your teeth aren't going to pull the very bottom of the tongue out.
Birds fly south for the winter and aren’t really capable of existing in those conditions. Wind and especially icy winds are extremely hazardous to those kinds of life
That mountain has to close no wildlife. The name of the mountains means “mountain is dead”, because there is no life around it to hunt.
It is also good to remember that them walking calmly out of the tent is EXACTLY what experienced hikers would do in that situation they know they have to move quickly but it’s also very snowy and reportedly windy so to avoid losing each other in a white out they would put a hand on the shoulder of the person in front of them and walk in a straight line to safety
I gotta say
Kholat Syakhl doesn't mean "Mountain of Death" it's translation is closer to "Mountain IS Dead" as in the mountain itself is dead. It likely got it's name because Kholat has a noticeable lack of game animals to hunt and even grows sparse vegetation, most of which isn't fit for human consumption. So the name name is likely based less on a superstition and more that the Mansi, whose culture has a focus on hunting, just noticed that with food being so scarce in the vicinity of the mountain, it's not a place you would want to go.
Supposedly another translation for the name is "The Silent Peak" again, likely alluding to the lack of wildlife
Wow DK has great chemistry with this new guest, Bricky. They should host a podcast together.
😂 Jokes aside, this was another really interesting episode
I had read where back in the 90's an experienced group of mountaineers, wilderness survivalists, rescue workers and other experts had figured out what happened. An avalanche most likely happened while they were asleep, which forced them to cut their way out because their shelter had gotten covered and possibly partially collapsed, the reason why the footprints weren't showing that they were running is because some members of their group were injured and they were having to help carry them down the mountain. At some point they stopped on what they thought was safe ground to make a fire, only to realize they were atop a frozen over river and the heat caused the ice to melt, which resulted in some of their number to fall through(four of the bodies were found in a ravine downstream), the ones who either didn't fall in the freezing cold water or had managed to get pulled out, were left in an even worse place and died of exposure or were caught in another avalanche. Ravens, crows and other corvids will peck out the eyes and eat the tongues of exposed bodies.
@@talonhax8336 A couple of them had been involved in the cleanup of an accident at a Soviet university involving nuclear material. They literally talked about it in the episode.
I think my main objection to the "government coverup" theory is that it was never declassified or got talked about after the USSR fell. Like, we know about the Nazino incident (aka "Siberian Cannibal Island"), something verifiably caused, and covered up, by the Soviet government. Even though it was classified for five decades.
If the state covered up the Dyatlov Pass incident, you'd think documentation would come out, or a soldier would publicly admit to involvement.
Because, importantly, _actual_ government conspiracies rarely stay secret. Especially if that government collapses (or, in the case of Nazino, was in the process of collapsing).
Its always nice seeing this channel posting a video, and with Bricky as a guest its even better. This will be good.
If I recall correctly, the best explanation for this one was actually described in detail by another youtuber in their own video on their theory; that this slope on this mountain (the entire side basically) has a specific microclimate that in the winter, can cause conditions that are as cold as the worst parts of antartica with very little warning. We’re talking about a sudden swing to -80. You’ll freeze to death even as the skin on your hands burns from being too close to a fire withour feeling it, can’t open tents, and stumble off of cliffs or gaps in the snow. There’s literally nothing that will save a person who’s caught in that, and all the weirdness is just understandable white noise as people made whatever attempts they can to stay alive in an impossible situation or how they react to their body forcibly shutting down.
Edit: I went and looked, can't find the video and I don't remember if it actually was. But if you find the wiki article and look at the links in the "Katabatic wind" section there's a website with an article.
That's even more horrify than weapon, because the weapon it's designed to kill but a natural phenomenon simply just happened.
@@usernamealreadytaken9330 There’s also a similar incident that happened in Sweden which is illustrative. Nature’s terrifying.
My theory here is pretty simple, but explains most of the weirdness:
They got hit by an Avalanche.
As stated in the episode, they cut the tent as was instructed at the time and left the area, probably moving slowly and carefully incase them running set it off fully.
Once they got down to the tree, and the fist 2 had perished from hypothermia, the rest of the group got hit by the Avalanche on their way back to the tent.
This explains the "high speed car crash" like injuries and the missing eyes and tongue was just wild animals.
The "mystery sign" put up by the local tribe after the incident may in fact be a warning about the Avalanche that just happened.
As for the Radiation, Old Soviet Nuclear Facilities weren't exactly the pinacle of safety, so it's not out of the question that the guys who worked there suffered and exposure event unknowingly and by proximity irradiated some of their companions as well.
someone being irradiated accidentally prior to the trip, and then giving off a higher level of radiation in their vicinity also would explain some of the damage to the photos and the film reel as well. Radiation damaging film is such a well documented phenomena that Kodak actually discovered that the US was doing nuclear tests in the 40s while it was still super top secret knowledge because it was damaging their film reels.
@@burnin8ablealso the mountain can be naturally radioactive
@@chibani- if that were the case you would see effectively identical radiation readings from literally every article of clothing, part of every body, and camping equipment they had, since it all had the same levels of exposure for the same amount of time, but that's not the case.
The signs do seem to indicate a line of clustered people trying to get away from a developing and then full avalanche, with further corpse damage from scavenging animals.
The radiation-contaminated clothes belonged to Rustem Vladimirovich Slobodin, who participated in the decontamination after the accident at the Mayak power plant. The expedition's participants had ties to Soviet nuclear research or high-ranking Communist Party members associated with the Soviet nuclear program, so the case was quickly classified.
Just found this video from my recommendations. Time to binge every single episode. Great show!
Regarding sound and it messing with people. It is something that can happen, though it is not extremely dangerous barring a few cases. Someone who is more versed in the matter can correct me on this, but a lot of helicopter pilots from the Vietnam war developed arrhythmia due to the fact that the original Huey had a two-bladed rotor and, at their turn rate, they generate waves that have a similar frequency to that of the human heart, causing it to get f**ked up. So, yeah, sound can be scary sometimes...
(everything below here I added after writing the original comment)
However, for infrasound to do something like that to people it would have to mess with your brain and/or sensory functions, which I find quite weird. But, who knows, maybe it is something that can happen at very specific frequencies
I think another reason the Mansi wouldn't want to talk with the Soviet authorities at the time is because I think they were among a lot of ethnic groups that were persecuted during Stalin's purges.
There's another case similar to this know as the Korovina group incident. That one is even freakier because one person actually survided and spoke about what happened and it just made the whole thing even weirder
It felt like every time we had all the info laid out Slap had another piece of info to lay out. Fucking incredible loved it! And what an awesome story to cover!
Yuba City (and Yuba County) I hate that I now live near there and that episode is now what I think of every single time it is mentioned. It is now the nearby town that I go, "isn't that where those people died?"
Another great episode, one of the most comprehensive examinations of this incident I've seen
Amazing episode! I was hooked from the start!
I think this has been your best episode.
Almost forgot to come back to this one, it was a hectic week. With Bricky too, it’s a real treat
Aw ❤ I'm glad they're involving these upstart channels in the podcast.
I always forget Bricky is secretly smart and used to be a ex-doctor or something
I think he mentioned he was an (Emergency Medical Technician) EMT once
We eating good today, I love this ❤️
The injuries really aren't that difficult to explain. The tongue and eyes are common preferred targets for predation. Not mentioned here is that the last four bodies, including those with the missing parts, were only found two months after the first bodies, and were found in a ravine deeper in the woods. Dubnina was found with her face in flowing water, making natural predation by far the most plausible explanation. If she and the others found with her fell into a ravine, that more than explains her injuries.
No, the injuries aren't the mystery. The only real mystery to the incident is why they left the tent, specifically why they left it in the way they did. And I think there's a really simple explanation: Carbon monoxide.
Dyatlov had a portable stove he had built himself that he used while hiking, with a sheet-metal chimney to let exhaust gases out of the tent. We know it was used the night of the incident, because cooked food was found in the tent, but it wasn't fully set up at the time of the incident. It's not difficult to imagine a scenario where they had cooked and warmed the tent with the stove, then dismantled it for the night, not realising that a bit of the fuel was still smouldering. They go to sleep, and slowly the smouldering fuel fills the tent with smoke and carbon monoxide.
Symptoms of carbon monoxide poisoning include headache, nausea, and, significantlly, _confusion._ So one of the hikers wakes in the night, pitch dark, pounding headache, confused and disoriented in a tent full of smoke. They shout that there's a fire. The others wake, but they're confused and panicking and can't find the tent flap, so they cut their way out. They stagger away into the night, trying to get away from the 'fire'. With clean air, their heads clear up, but by then it's too late. They've become separated and don't know the way back to the tent. Some try to light a fire, some try to make it back to the tent, some fall into a ravine.
This channel is so underrated😢
The actual reason for the incident at Dyatlov Pass is a group of time travelers going back to witness the incident at Dyatlov Pass. Their time machine's cloaking device had a malfunction that caused it to emit dangerous radiation and infrasound. I was told this by a man named John Titor, who was a time explorer of the ill-fated event.
I think the mistake with the Dyatlov Pass mystery is to think it was simply just any one *single* thing that did it. What makes more sense in my head is the thought of it was a combination of numerous elements discussed - the weather, possible contamination by radiation (or some other hazardous material that may just be on the mountain that nobody was aware of), scare of avalanche, possible fire, injury, etc. that led to the tragic end of this group. Because when you start combining elements then things start to make a lot more sense as to what could have happened to these people, unfortunately.
From what I read a slab avalanche was originally considered unlikey under the conditions encountered by the hikers. It was only more recent research that provided more data to support that theory. If a slab avalanche was considered unlikely, then it would easily be that they were actually caught under a slab avalanche ... causing massive blunt force trauma and necessitating cutting themselves out of the buried tent.
And the bodies found with missing tounges and eyes were found a lot later than the first bodies found and I think they were found down in a creek gorge partially buried under snow. So predation in a good explanation why these specific body parts were missing.
Slap picked a good one!
DK's disturbance at the Infrasound is empathized with.
I side with it as well. It could simply be the shape of the mountain, that may have caused a burst of infrasound.
ay bricky. neat.
I like how there's a virgin Mary candle
45:02 There was also a game that came out, Kholat, where Sean Bean voiced the player character.
I was hoping they would bring up the stove theory
Should have watched to the end lmao
Stove was not used that night.
ooo do a dossier on Emperor Norton. A true Emperor of Humankind
Save that for the next time Bricky is on the podcast. Make it a crossover episode so that he can feel more at home.
Great episode although it's a shame that the they didn't touch on some theories that I think are a lot more plausible. The Soviet union did a lot of nuclear and biological weapons tests which could explain the unnatural amount of radiation on some garments which could have been the result of lingering radioactive materials. The illogical actions of the crew could have been a result of a pocket of nerve gas or something along those lines.
I think it is most likely that they were ordered out of the tent by a military group patrolling the area and they cut they’re way out attempting to make a sneakier escape against the snow shelf and we’re caught. They most likely were then marched away. Then upon realizing they had the wrong group of people instead of being shot by their superiors for screwing up the military group attempted to make it look like a bear or a wendigo or something of that nature to hide what had been done.
So for the "Missing eyes and tongue" Its quite simple really.
Birds.
Yup, birds will often eat the eyes and tongues first on corpses. Nothing weird about it. The fact that Dubinina may have still had some blood pressure, perhaps unconscious, while it happened is not far out there.
Being russian and listening to you guys butcher these names will never stop being funny. Also fun trivia: Dyatlov surname comes from the word dyatel, which means woodpecker.
The issue with the major injuries is that those bodies were found later, in a collapsed snow cave that had started to melt over a stream on the bottom, and in worse condition than the fresher ones. Also the sticks they used to probe the snow for bodies had sharp barbed tips, likely leading to even further seeming injury. There was also the third largest radioactive disaster of all time (behind fukushima and chernobyl) that had just happened in the area and that at least dyatlov had helped clean up. I just don’t find anything inexplicable about the case. Katabatic winds came, they were in an impossible situation, and all died even though they tried to act correctly.
Was the picture of the guy on the trail a snap of the hunter? Also that last wild theory about time travel is the theory that the Devils Pass movie is about. There is a video game called Kholat where you’re tryimh yo figure out what happned and its really cool and presents actual clippings and stuff
My theory as to why they cut themselves out was possibly because it was dark and could not find the zipper and so they didnt want to waste time trying to find the zipper and decided to cut themselves out.
Will be new books on dyatlov pass mysteries???
I am considering if it may have been an atomic bomb testing, and due to two of them working with radiation, they'd know to leave clothing in fear of radiation poisoning. Pair that with a resulting avalanche, potentially burying some equipment, and panic among the hikers (also considering hiking is a new sport). Stumbling and falling and the avalanche pushing them over can explain the minor injuries, though missing eyes and tongue sounds like the weirdest flash freeze and picky crow ever.
Honestly, the evidence provided does paint me a pretty clear picture.
The group got caught _in_ a slab avalanche, a number of them got injured (As tones of snow crashing into someone can explain the injuries) and they cut themselves out of the tent to escape.
Since the avalanche already passed, they wouldn't have needed to run.
As for the eyes and tongue, those tend to be the first thing carrion birds go for, especially Corvids.
And before anyone tries to argue that "birds go south for the winter111!!!111" That doesn't apply to all birds and some carnivorous birds are known to stick around year round.
Hawks, Owls, Crows, etc.
Injuries happened at or near the ravine. No evidence of avalanche. Original investigators all concluded that there wasn’t an avalanche.
@@rh9967 Oh brother.
First off. _Of course there's no direct evidence of an Avalanche._ Did you forget the fact that they couldn't access the site until Spring? You know, _when any and all evidence of an Avalanche would have melted away._
Second, I highly question the original investigators because of 2 reasons.
1). They thought a group of peaceful natives went murder hobo on the guys.
And 2). The Soviet government had zero interest in actually finding out what happened.
Given the evidence we _do_ have, getting caught in an Avalanche is the best bet.
The question is how did they know to look for radiation.
If there were other people involved, like soldiers or other government agents, then surely that would be visible from the number of tracks? To take control of a group of 9 people there would have to be a decent number of soldiers, so it wouldn't be just a single extra set of footprints either
they also had a weird setup in their tent it was to hear the tent however the exhaust was leaky so they may have cut out to avoid carbon monoxide poisoning which could also explain erratic behavior
Wikipedia out here providing unnecessary context.
Forgot this was a channel
I didn't!
@@Jormyyy so what? You think your better than me.
YOU THINK YOUR BETTER THAN ME
@@chillcannongames5758 yes :) because I'd never forget about my latest favorite channel
One thing that bugs me is you guys are assuming one could easily run in deep snowfall even though you would most likely fall or stumble thus wasting time so it would make sense to do a brisk steady pace because walking in deep snow sucks
The death of Trapper Nelson is pretty interesting
Whats with the missing tongue and eyes?...no other items found? a knive or blood stains or ..
For me there is still the image of a brtl mrdr crme scene
How did they cut the tent?
If a knife, there was fighting, so where is it now?
they found I think three knifes of the Group. If you are more interested about it you should watch the videos from The Lore Lodge, he made three videos about the Dyatlov Pass
It could be considered sacred or "evil" because of reasons grounded in reality, like how people in india said "don't visit the swamp, you'll get possessed by evil spirits" and they british laughed then got malaria.
but the "real people" thing does kind of echo why I consider true crime documentaries as disgusting
No sound can remove your tongue or eye's
I do believe some of them may have been suffering from hypothermia because I have been out in the cold for a very long time roughly 20 hours and and right around that time I started to experience maybe the first signs of hypothermia with taking off a coat and you just start doing stupid things that don't make sense. Example (yes i did this). I need gas for one of my snowblowers, gas cans are empty, I decide to siphon it out of one of my machines instead of going to the gas station that's less than 500 yards away.
Siberian Cyborgbear, something like in Life, Death, Robots... or this Satanic Creatures this Sovjet Soldiers fight.
The human body is weird, once the brain goes into wacky mode anything can be a possibility
Was there drug trafficking or some other type of organized crime in or using the area at that time? Would this be an alternative reason for a cover-up or the brutality?
The radiation...where the fuck did that come from!!!
Natural background radiation.
If i remember well the mountain was granitic which has some natural radiation.
Apparently Dyatlov had literally helped clean up one of the soviet’s radioactivity incidents. It’s a nothingburger
It is worth noting that a horror game by the name of Kholat was also made following the events of this mystery. It's sorta of a "recreation" instead of the original events though, as it follows someone trying to solve the mystery by doing the same things that the hikers did on that day.
So they went there on the wrong path, only because they followed a mansy hunter! That look suspicious, the hunter knows more!
Would love an episode on JD.Cooper sometime :D
People could not have fun. Oppressive regime of soviets did horrible stuff to people. Soviet union was a military state and hiking is a leisure time. it can happen in western countries , not in soviet Russia. So it's all is just a ruse
Killed by secret service.
My guess for the tent is if you can hear the signs of an avalanche and even for a second struggle opening a zipper one might instantly resort to cutting a way out.
No clue for the radiation though. If they knew about how badly they were irradiated and going mad from infrasound one might claw out their eyes and tongue. Been a few incidents of people finding orphan sources of radiation not knowing what it is outside of being nice and warm, though with their line of work with radiation im guessing theyd know if one of them was carrying around something radioactive
Absolutly no yeti though. Can see the clear line where coat meets trousers
Sneed
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Bunch of campers smoke out their tent, wander off and die of exposure
🤡: "Must've been the government aliens and the yeti"
Stove wasn’t used that night.
Ew why is Bricky here.
Because Brick is a cool fella. What's wrong with him being here?
Is Bricky a Smart Fella or a Fart Smella?
@@solidblockgaming2105 both
Mood
Someone must've let a window opened.
It lessens an otherwise fine podcast that some of the hosts are not well versed in even basic history. The stories are fun to listen to but the podcast lacks substance because of it.
I'm 1 hour in hooked 😂❤ have to drop my thoughts so I don't forget as usual 🥲
I'm thinking the cut open tent is due to hands been too cold to untie or grip the zip , the casual walking prints was so they don't move too much weight to create a shelf slide , the fist and defence wounds sadly could be to them fighting off the one that was taking the clothes or desperate to take from others , eyes and Tonge are gross but they are high in easily reachable nutrients to small wild life and infra sound is a scary thought 😮😮😮 I've camped in the valleys in wales that can create constant noise with the wind all night you hardly sleep at times
And there could have been a uranium mine near by mountain of death sounds a bit deathly