What Actually Happened to the Dyatlov Pass Expedition?
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An avalanche. Bigfoot. Missile Tests. A number of theories have been presented to explain the eerie mystery behind the tragic end of the Dyatlov Pass expedition, a hiking trip including ten people led by Igor Dyatlov. For decades, the official explanation was "an overwhelming force" which the hikers could not overcome. In 2020, it was announced that an explanation had been revealed: it was an avalanche. But what kind of avalanche does...this? Welcome back to The Lore Lodge...
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My investigation indicates a weather balloon 😮😮😮.
It was an avalanche caused by the military launching a missile at a UFO that was actually trying to scare off the yeti that was attacking the kids. #Solved
I knew it
Nailed it
Do you want to go do karate in the garage
@@monkeyearcheese420did we just become best friends?
Sounds like a "Case Closed" theory to me. I bet you don't work for the FBI. You sound way too smart to work for the FBI.
to be fair, "an unknown force they were unable to overcome" kind of sums the entire situation in the literal sence
Strictly speaking, it's probably accurate
Vague to the point of being completely uninformative, but accurate
Agreed. The Mansi also refer to some yahoos prowling in that area--outsiders to their community, too. All those wounds evoke a nasty beating the victims got after being initially scared out of the tent. But don't ask me why this violence was unleashed against them in the first place.
@@PetarPopara Im a big proponent of that theory as well, that some rouge natives coaxed them out in a hurry and beat the tar out of them, strictly for no other reason than spite, or because they were trespassing. The fact their tent wasn't ransacked or their belongings weren't stripped of their bodies is peculiar for violent natives but stranger things have happened.
@@PetarPoparaWere there any googles or ask Jeeves on the prowl?
Sorry, had to.
The part that suggests fowl play to me isn't so much the random abrasions and fractures. It's the fact that one of them had their tongue cut out, and another had eyes removed.
@@Mephilis78a hard fall. Ice damage can be brutal. I dunno.
(I'm an ER nurse from Colorado, then Oklahoma & Montana) I've seen Trauma 1 level injuries from wind & snow (white-out conditions), not just on the side of a mountain, but in the plains of the US. I've seen people with 'baton' like injuries from being hit with flying farm tools, tree limbs, etc, also consider - a very good reason to climb a tree in a whiteout when the wind calms down, is to figure out where the hell you just got blown away to. To me this accounts for senseless directions they went in. I've had whiteout conditions whip a snowbank around my entire car and make it look like a small hill, not a car, and unable to identify a single landmark to navigate yourself. I've never heard that katabatic wind theory before, but working in the Western US, just about anyone could tell you what wind can do to unpacked snow. If any of the snow is icy, that kind of wind is picking up giant ice cubes and nailing people with them. I also wondered which side of the tent they cut out? Up slope or down? I'm wondering if their entrance/exit got blocked, and this came on so suddenly they THOUGHT it was an avalanche and bailed. A downside wind on a mountain slope feels like a bulldozer running you down. You have no choice but to go with it.
Thanks for the info about how they could have gotten their injuries. I also believe that the guys climbing the tree were looking for a high vantage point instead of simply collecting firewood.
@@kayladugger7042 I wrote another comment here a day ago, thinking it was all caused by katabatic winds that may have buried the tent completely - the way it did my car -and they thought they were in an avalanche and cut out. Because why would they pack snow on top of their tent if their things were inside it? If they had time to pack snow down on their tent they had time to get in there and get their things out. It only makes sense to me that tent got buried and they had to wander out into blizzard conditions where they couldn't see but they all made their way to the tree. They attempted a fire but the winds would not allow it to build, so they built the den for protection but some had to head back for the tent and hope to recover gear. I don't think there's any way to tell what order they died in but it makes sense to me that the survivors were climbing that tree to watch for those who went back to the tent, looking for them to return and first after gust of wind was injuring then, even blowing them out of the tree for a distance. The winds are way faster than a lot of cars, to compare the impact needed for injuries, and for those that died as if something was on their chest were hugging a tree from uphill and got pressed into it. The one who was found on his back with his arms in front of him as if he was hugging something seems to me he had already been injured hugging a tree and was hunched forward with his arms forward shivering.
I think the high winds may have caused a snow slide on the tent, and the hikers interpreted it as an upcoming avalanche. The main entrance and most of the articles placed by it were rendered not easily retrievable. The hikers who were better dressed may have been sleeping on the windier side of the tent and had worn more clothing to bed, been the last to leave and therefore could grab more clothes, or were simply luckier because their clothes were easily retrievable.
@@susanverhoeven4962 Yeah me too. It never made sense to me that they'd pack their tent in snow with their things inside it. I've never been in the old USSR but I've hiked on trails in the Rockies and Appalachia intentionally in snow conditions. It's almost like all the explanations you hear for this event never account for possible whiteout conditions causing confusion and the possibility chest wounds were from hugging a tree downhill to keep from blowing away and being pressed against it by 100mph wind, or head injuries from being blown out of a tree they climbed.
Would those kind of conditions completely flatten a tent? Theirs was still partly standing weeks later in photos taken by searchers.
Idk if anyone already explained it, but the "cedar" mentioned in the Russian text is Pinus sibirica/Sibirian pine, the name "cedar" was used bc by Russians that tree is often called (word-for-word translation) "Siberian cedar" or simply "cedar", that's why in a russian supermarket you might find pine nuts being sold in bags that have "cedar nuts" written on them.
so like pinus nuts?
Deez Nuttz
'Pinus deez nuts in your mouth' was right there@@phillyeli215
@@miguelthemoisturizer940 lmmfao. No, those are just nuts.
Cool. Good to know. Strange because a pine and cedar are not even close to the same thing.
I think the reason why no single explanation can explain the situation can only be that there is at least one key bit of evidence that we are missing and was possibly hidden/covered up, and that this bit of evidence would explain most things, because, as you so thoroughly covered, there is no way to come to a logical all-encompassing explanation with the evidence we currently have.
This! Exactly what I'm thinking! There's so much the USSR was secretive about that I 100% believe something is missing or has been covered up.
Thats entirely possible. I think one major huddle is the assumption that people in that situation had a plan or were acting logically. Humans as a species are prone to illogical and confusing actions when under stressful situations.
Like what? Genuinely curious why they would cover it up. I know it’s Russia, but still.
Thankyou Captain Obvious.
@@corning1like the local indigenous people not particularly caring for Russian ethnics?
As a half-native, all I can say about it from my relatives that live in that area is that they refuse to talk about it. My family on that side comes from the Komi Republic, and venture through those mountains all the time. They do not go into Dyatlov Pass. I have cousins that live there too, other cousins from Norway, Sweden & Spain (the Swedish cousins are part of the same family that lives in Spain), and the side I come from lives in Britain, France, the US & Germany (we're a very large family, we still speak to distant cousins as if they were our first cousins basically.
The younger relatives I know are fine with it, unless they're one of the super "my parents said this so it's law" types. This goes up to about 18-26 years old amongst my relatives where the mood changes (I'm 23). The adults don't speak about it much if at all, even the super chill ones & the oldest adults/elderly that live in the region get a look of fear in their eye. I had an elderly relative, very nice lady, super chill, slap me square across the face when me and one of my more "fuck the law cousins" from the Swedish-Spanish side were planning a hike that went through that region and we asked her about the route since we didn't have much information on it.
We never went, but all I know about the incident is that a lot of native or indigenous peoples from different cultural groups in the area all consider that area bad news or cursed.
When I was 8, I remember a story about Mansi pointing guns at hikers trying to enter that area, warning them not to go there.
That's chilling 😮
Can't you try to get more info for us?
I live in Ekaterinburg (previous name Sverdlovsk). I know a lot of touristic groups went in this region, my friends for example. The only trouble in summertime is from bears. And nothing else.
I remember watching a video about it that interviewed mansi people and they refer to that area as cursed and don’t talk about this incident or even go into that pass for some unspeakable reason so I completely believe u there’s some other force at work with this that we don’t understand I’ve also heard about before hand the natives in the area were known or rumored to be either hostile or known to kill outsiders
17:39 love the fact his dog came in at some point and just decided to vibe with his human.
In my opinion, it doesn't matter if there was an actual avalanche - it was enough for them to think there was one and leave the tent in a hurry. However, I still find the katabatic wind theory most plausible, personally.
The most ridiculous theory I’ve ever heard
I will not write another detailed comment only to have it deleted. I'll just say that there is no evidence of katabatic winds, but there is evidence that slab avalanches occur in the region
I would buy into the katabatic wind theory if this was a bunch of rookies. These were fairly seasoned hikers who had been around the block a few times .
It was actually a very specific type of avalanche called a slab avalanche in this case it was a small and very localized one. This type is more like a solid block of snow falling downhill. In this case the cause was the way they set up their tent at an angle which is normally a smart thing. However this time the snow on the side of the mountain they dug into wasn't completely secure and their tent stakes loosened it. During the night more snow built up and destabilized a small slab which then fell onto the tent collapsing it. The aftermath would look like a collapsed tent with a bunch of snow on it and wouldn't be completely buried. This solid block would also like cause some minor injuries. They then cut themselves out because they couldn't get to the tent opening or it was stuck.
Yeah I've always been of that opinion. They left in a MASSIVE hurry and didn't get dress up more than likely what they went to sleep with. Whether it was Katabatic winds or a slab avalanche (or honestly something else we haven't found yet), something caused them to think they had to LEAVE THAT TENT NOW. Everything else can be attributed to being the middle of the night and not having good vision. Paniced people make bad decisions, plain and simple.
After the 3rd bedtime stories video on it when the near similar tragedy happened and was caused by Katabatic winds really makes a solid case that was this.
I could have saved so much of my own time in the past from watching lesser content creators regurgetate the same exact pasta angle pulp info had these videos you've now produced existed. This and its companion piece really are the essential RUclips videos on the subject and really all you could need. Excellent excellent succinct thorough engaging witty compassionate well researched content Professor Lodge
A very quick hour! One of his best, for sure.
What do you think of Bedtime Stories videos on the matter?
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Five of these people were in a physical altercation. The knuckle bruising and 5th metacarpal injury are indicative of a boxer’s injury/fracture. What went down during this time is speculation. But those physical injuries tell a story.
Personally: I think a fist fighter occurred either due to differences of opinion about the idea of splitting up, or the fist fight resulted in the group splitting. People would have felt strongly about both staying together or splitting up, I'm sure.
There's also so many that it becomes a slightly unreliable narrative.
Having to punch something doesn't *automatically* mean a violent confrontation in the group itself. I'm not actually arguing against you; I agree. It's about which injuries are only able to be caused by another human, with no reasonable doubt.
But I agree totally. Kinda playing Devil's Advocate
@XXMatt0040XX the injury to the head from a heavy stick could have possibly been a rifle stock. Who's to say their injuries were from internal fighting
Dyatlov pass? more like Dyatlov fail.
Not bad not bad.
Nooo doubt!!
This comment is actually what killed them
daaamn too soon
More like you shall not pass...
climbing a tree to get dry wood from dead branches is actually good because its been off the ground drying for a long time and often breaks off the tree easily
Cedar is a dry wood even when it is alive. The wood on the ground would have been covered with snow and ice.
It's not a good idea to climb a tree that has dying branches. Especially in wet or snowy conditions.
Remember, they were in subzero temperatures. With the snow and ice cover it would have been very difficult to get fire wood off of the ground. Even green cedar burns fairly well because of cedar oil. Green cedar flashes hot initially, but burns out pretty quick.
Yup accessible wood doesn't guarantee fire
Yeah I think he covered this.
@Mephilis78 He covered it and said that it didn't make sense for them to be climbing a tree to get firewood when there would have been wood on the ground.
Russian cedar is pine. Pine does not burn well green
It sounds like the first ones who died, fell out of the tree and into the fire, to me. It would explain the burns. Perhaps that's why they abandoned the fire. It was destroyed by the men falling into it. And it would have been difficult to restart. They then argued about what to do and the the groups split up...Still doesn't explain what made them leave the tent to begin with.
Common answers about the burns suggest they were trying to keep warm. As the blood withdrew from their arms and legs to the core of their bodies as hypothermia set in, they tried to stick their extremities closer to the flames, burning themselves but not feeling it. They are probably bboth in some kind of mental shock too i would assume.
Naw I think they were desperate as the fire died and were so numb they didn’t realize they were burning they’re frost bitten extremities all the burns are on like hands or legs as if you were sitting by the fire
They were obviously trying to get away from whatever attacked them.
@@gordongarrett6229doesn’t explained why 3 went back to the tent if they were escaping an attack. Why go back and why head out in such a manner.
@@victory8928they could believe the attacker left. The issue it why would they go back to the tent if it was an avalanche
That level of injury (skull fracture, flail chest) are what we see in catastrophic accidents (at least in veterinary medicine). Dogs that have been hit by a vehicle are a prime example. Those are some very serious things going on.
What about the eyeballs and tongue missing? If some of them in then den had their eyes and tongues missing, why didn’t the others in the den?
@@dogshakeprobably due to the ones without it being too buried in snow and debris for animals to notice or reach. The area has sparse wildlife so it was probably corvids and the like that scavenged the remains and they are not good diggers in general.
@@dogshake crows (and I guess other animals too) often eat the eyes and tongue of dead bodies. You see it often in roadkill.
The thing about the avalanche theory is that it was a specific form of avalanche called a slab avalanche. What happened was that the what they pitched their tent on the slope at an angle loosened the snow just above it. During the night more snow built up causing the snow to collapse in a single block onto the tent in a small localized avalanche caving it inward. This would look very different from the typical avalanche and look more like a bunch of snow on a tent.This caused people inside the tent to panic cutting their way out because they couldn't open the tent opening. As for the four in the ravine, well they accidentally built it over a frozen over stream and it collapsed. The fall and the heavy collapsing snow trapped and fatally injured them. A 2021 paper by Alexander Puzrin and Johan Guame published in a journal demonstrated how even a small slab avalache can cause tent damage and injuries consistent with what was found. Infographics has a vid detailing the slab avalanche theory in greater detail.
This is the type of avalanch or snow slide I should of made clear in my comment that I was referring to,tather than the type that looks like a pyroclastic flow. good post🖖
Damn that sounds terrifying.
Yes, also explains why they got out of the tent in such a hurry but then just walked away in a line
@koffebeans yeah it had to have been something that happened quickly - to force them out of the tent. It didn't last long because after the initial incident, they felt comfortable enough to walk at a steady pace in an orderly line. I do think they ended up going in the wrong direction (away from the cache), maybe a result of the adrenaline adding to the confusion after the first incident...
@@radglou18 exactly lol
Something you might examine in relation to Dyatlov's hand position is a phenomenon call "The Boxer's Pose" or a 'pugilistic attitude' adopted by corpses because tissues shrink after death due to heat--obviously, this seems backwards to this situation, but it was a connection I couldn't help making.
Your arms would already have to be near that position though. Tissue shrinkage isn't usually enough to take someone's arms all the way from their sides to their chest.
@@Mephilis78 oh interesting, I didn’t know that but it makes sense-and it’s still more likely that his arms were already up as there wasn’t the heat usually associated with tissue shrinkage
Yeah i was gonna comment something. As a hospice CNA ive seen many people die and often they form that position/similar after death and i could imagine it would be extra exaggerated if its cold
The Pugilists Stance is more common in burn victims. Arm contractions are common with people who have been bed bound through lack of use. Could he have been holding onto something really tight that was pulled out of his arms post mortem, his arm would be stuck in that position once rigour mortis had set in exacerbated by the icy winds. I’m starting to think that they were attacked by two legged creatures not four.
I'm thinking weapons test in the area. Soviet Russia was pretty good about doing tests and not telling people. Flail chest injuries and fractured ribs are very common in over pressure events like explosions.
If there was an avalanche, why were the prints still there just 40 meters from the tent?
Great point. An avalanche can cover a tent or person, how could it not cover footprints?
I was thinking this as well, but then I remembered they made it back to the tents to scavenge supplies after the proposed avalanche.
@@michaelwarenycia7588It’s a specific type of avalanche which is caused from non packed snow built on a hill/angle. They pitched their tent next to a small slope and the snow next to it was not packed enough, as more snow piled behind their tent it created a small slab of snow close to the tent. this slab built on poor snow gave way and crushed the tent. This form of avalanche is small, localized, and replicable on the same mountain. There have been papers done on it. That is also probably why they could see the tent/ were looking for it by going into the trees, and why they cut their way out of the tent. They most likely could still see the tent as it was not fully covered in snow, but enough to crush it, and they had to cut their way out because the entrance would have been unusable/covered.
@@manny4707 it could almost cover a tent in snow yet leave footprints which can be readily followed....you also ignore, perhaps on purpose, the mention that there were no reports of avalanches and that the area in question is not know for avalanches, the slope being too shallow. Plus, once they saw their tent wasn't buried, they wouldn't have any reason to go out without proper clothing , to a spruce tree, some of them climb it, and all just wait till they slowly died. It's strange to me how some people cling so much to the notion of being a "skeptic", as if that somehow meant they were wise, that they choose the most mundane explanations they can imagine....even if they have to ignore almost all the physical and logical evidence in order to hold onto their theory.
If I had a Time Machine I would absolutely love to morbidly go back in time with appropriate cold weather gear and find somewhere nearby I can watch what happened on that night.
It’s such an interesting mystery and we humans all like the idea of a paranormal involvement of what could of happened to these poor souls.
I’m surprised James Wan hasn’t done a horror movie on this yet it would be a good one to do. Great video glad I found you.
Same!!! I didn't want to say it bc yes it is a bit morbid but this and several other mysteries would be so cool to go back and watch to REALLY see what happened!
I always think to myself all these theories we have and elaborate timeliness and breakdowns but if we could see it irl watch it be something stupid like a prank gone wrong.
I equate it to the recent movie Bodies, Bodies, Bodies where (SPOILER ALERT) they go around killing eachother thinking it's self defense after finding one member of the group dead but the final 2 ppl find a video showing the dead guy was playing around and accidently killed himself!
You’d become the reason for the accidents. It all makes sense now!
I'm not into snuff films. Being there in person, I'd be unable to watch someone die without doing everything in my power to try and help them.
There is a movie, horror movie, about the Dyatlov Pass Incident, called that too, not James Wan but not bad.
Seems a bit sadistic.
I think I remember reading somewhere that when the first set of bodies were found there was a huge media covered (there are pictures online but be careful you can see into the caskets) open casket funeral and thousands of people attended but when the second set of people were found officials refused to allow another funeral and basically buried them so quickly that only the families could attend
If you see autopsy photos of the second set, it's understandable why they didn't want their bodies viewed by the public. The moisture and animal predation made them look pretty damn horrifying.
Second bodies where found after the snow started melting, right? In like may? The second group likely suffered from worse decomposition and thus would have lead to a gruesome open casket.
@jbbruti7354 There are photos online, the recovery effort that retrieved the last body found them in a state where they definitely wouldn't have had open casket. the skin is tight to the bone and the deceased no longer looks like themselves.
There's definitely no one answer here, but perhaps whatever scares them out of the tent also startled a predator nearby. The injuries that look like fighting might be attempting to fight off an animal at some point during this whole exchange? This is certainly an "everything went wrong at once" kind of situation. The radiation is what puzzles me the most.
Radiation is the least puzzling thing for me as few of them worked where radioactive materials were handled. The investigators probably measured radiation just in case, knowing that very fact. To me it seems a "red herring". As for predator encounters, I've read speculations about a bear attack - but bears hibernate in winter. Wolves and smaller predators don't attack a group of people, and if some predator had been nearby, they would've been eaten after death. Like, really eaten. My grandfather went missing in late autumn and was found a few months later, he had fallen and drowned in a shallow stream, he had his ribs and all of his intestines missing, his spine visible, half of his face and one of his legs chewed to the bone, basically everything that protruded from the ice and what the scavengers could get to. I was one of the party that had to retrieve his body, so I saw it all. The point being, I'm quite certain that no animal was involved in any of the Dyatlov group's deaths.
the camping lanterns wicks were radioactive ,see Thorium Gas Mantles.@@TTFerdinand
@@TTFerdinand perhaps they were attack by something already injured, and we're able to successfully scare it away or beat it bad enough it ran, before they died in the snow (the animal may have also died then, nearby, if too were badly injured)? Now, especially after reading your reply, I doubt this could be such a simple answer, but that is nonetheless where my mind goes to for the various scrapes and bruises they had on them. The only OTHER reason that they looked like they were beating each other, if an animal wasn't involved, would be madness of some sorts.
@@awi11o It is not entirely impossible that they had some kind of an argument and a fist fight already in the tent and that this was the only reason they left the tent in the first place. Maybe someone decided to rip open the canvas to flee from whatever was happening INSIDE with others shortly following and Zolotaryov being the only one fully dressed because he had not participated in the fight and took the time to get dressed before following their tracks downhill. After all he was probably the last to leave and he might have carried his camera to try and record it if anything terrible was about to go down between the others. It was rumored that a few of the male group members had eyes for Kolmogorova and young men sometimes tend to get fighty over women, so that could've been one of the reasons to get into a fist fight. Of course it's basically impossible to prove, but if even partially true then this would explain a lot of the mystery.
I think the woman scenario holds more weight than people give credit to. Jealousy is no joke and maybe seeing 2 people you know in a tent rage ensues. It can get ugly quick. Missing eyeballs… tongue cut out… I think the investigators probably knew something to and held it back for multiple reasons. Save face for Russia and the families and just stuck with the avalanche story.
Looking forward to your 10 hour dissertation!
(Because, seriously, I'd watch it.)
I heard a theory that they accidentally smoked themselves out of their tent during a snowstorm, and fearing that the tent would ignite, hurried away to try and get clear in case their stove in the main tent lit it. But due to the weather being so severe, got lost trying to make it back after no fire started. Falling into a snow cave, climbing a tree to try and get a better view, etc before each getting too injured and dying of hypothermia, lost in the snow
I heard that once too...
I heard that one before but I am not buying it at all. Ther was no need to go as far as they did, just to get out of the smoke. Also, if they thought the tent was lost then they might as well have cut even more holes into it in order to save some of their gear. All of them were experienced in the outdoors and they decide not just the tent but the entire area around it wasn't save, and their chances of survival would be higher if they travel away from it, *half dressed* instead of staying in that place.
Smoke or an out of control stove doesn't really do it for me.
How does this explain the poses and state of dress?
@@Les_Grossman80Hypothermia maybe? I’ve heard of paradoxical undressing so maybe they had a bunch of clothes on to keep warm in the tent and then started taking some off right before they died. The one guy holding the other guy could have been them trying to keep warm.
Edit: didn’t finish the video before commenting. But still. I think that was part of it.
as I heard in some video they never used the stove. it wasn't even assembled for that night
It’s cool you guys did this mystery. I think the three part series that Bedtime Stories did is still one of the best coverage of this story and the last part seems to have a pretty good explanation as to what likely happened. So much has been looked at and while certain theories seem plausible, it seems the most plausible scenario is what will likely be seen as what happened is something we will likely never know for sure what happened. Keep up the great work guys and take care!
To me some of the so-called wacky theories make more sense than an avalanche why didn't they return and get some clothes so they wouldn't die of exposure. It seems to me that they're saying they run out in their underwear unless I'm mistaken that makes absolutely no sense. You're going to cut your way out of the tent and run over the possibility of an avalanche and then you never come back to get your clothes and of course you're going to die of exposure anyone would know that. Maybe I'm not understanding the Russian report but it seems to me they ran on the possibility of an avalanche you know and it makes no sense to me also why wouldn't the tent and everything else under piles of snow if an avalanche came down you would expect the pass for example would be gone covered in feet of snow you know I'm trying to be funny here but to me the yeti explanation makes more sense than the avalanche it just doesn't make any sense at all to me I would even be more inclined to believe they were abducted by aliens jk. But I don't think it was an avalanche whywasn't the tent under snow and why was there no evidence of a mountain of snow in the area with an avalanche that would have certainly happened. I mean is everybody else but it am I the only one that sees plenty of flaws in this theory. They look for firewood until they drop dead of exhaustion that's bulshit. The other ones huddle around out in the elements in their underwear that's bulshit something probably human drove them out of the tent and a group of criminals would tell them to walk in a straight line. The avalanche theory to me it should be poked plumb full of holes that makes no sense. To me this theory makes so little since it's run up there with being abducted by aliens
One more of the many holes in the avalanche theory if they had time to come down and a orderly fashion than they had time to get some clothes. No I don't care if 99.9 per cent of people believe the Russians who had the intelligence agency just like ours has been known to lie. There's way too many flaws in the avalanche theory as far as I'm concerned. Okay they didn't cut their way out of the tent and run down in a panic they walk down in an orderly fashion then why couldn't they walk with a handful of clothes. Tumi the avalanche makes about as much sense as Wayne Brazil getting off with the self-defense while shooting Pat Garrett while he was urinating. But they bought it and I will buy this even though to me it makes no sense so I will not buy it. My God this is all coming since they left in an orderly fashion but practically naked
And that is my number one problem there would definitely 100% be a sign of an avalanche. More than a sign that should be mountains of snow.
Wow this comment slowly tied itself into a knot.
@@danielwebster5748 Well, even the skis were still upright as seen in the investigation photo and one of the things found beside the tent was Dyatlov's flashlight, still operational. These would be the easiest things to be carried downhill by an avalance and yet these were found on the scene. If one wants to claim it was an avalanche, one has to first prove that the whole scene was doctored by the investigators - or someone else.
For anyone who doesn't know what livor mortis is and what it means, basically, when you die, your heart stops pumping. Since your blood is no longer being pumped through your body, gravity causes it to settle in the lowest parts of the body. Hence, someone who had died and been left laying on their back would have darker skin on their back and pale skin on their front, because the blood is all at the bottom. Once the blood is congealed, this becomes fixed, so if you roll them over, the back would still be dark, even though it's now facing up.
If you want to see what this looks like without looking at a corpse, compare the face of someone who's gone pale with shock to how red someone's face is after hanging upside down for a few minutes (except livor mortis is more purple than red, but it gives you a good idea of how obvious the difference can be)
Great explanation, thank you.
Hi Aidens, I think it’s curious the amount of abrasions, cuts, and mild to severe damage to the upper areas of the face and head, and the arms and hands. Yes, the knuckles remind me of a fist fight, but it is possible that it occurred with intruders. I think that the military might be the culprits and they left the relative safety of the tents in a furtive manner to hide from soldiers. The fact that the government covered the incident up and gave a one size fits all explanation is damning in my eyes. I find it strange that they found the single file footprints after such severe winds and heavy snowfall. Could that have also been staged? The weird color of the one corpse , the mild radiation on clothing of two, positioning the bodies deliberately, and the deaths of the two best clothed men are all interesting. I think that if this is ever completely resolved, it will be eye opening. I enjoyed your work on this, well done. ❤
Yay! I’ve been excited to see more of your coverage on this since the first part dropped.
I loved the research you did in part 1 and i'm beyond excited for this !
Awesome video! I’ve been excited for this one since part one!
I’m not sure of this has been suggested but Zolotaryov might have been well dressed because of his military experience, even if he wasn’t the best soldier the idea of always being prepared and ready for action would have probably been drilled into him during his service. Obviously I’m just speculating but as someone with multiple veterans in my family I can definitely confirm that military habits die hard.
You continue to amaze me, this is like the 3-4 time I’ve watched one of your videos on cases I’ve already seen TONS of videos on. (Not saying I know everything)
And yet again, you are different and are bringing up information I’ve never heard of! Well done!
I've always wondered why they set their tent up in the open, when setting up camp in the treeline/woods would have offered lots of natural shelter/protection from the elements. What kept them out of the woods originally? Seems to me they would have known better than to camp in the open when high winds and low temps are likely/common
The assumption put forth by others was that it might have been a requirement for their licensing exam or as a self imposed skills test. I personally wonder if they might have also been concerned about widowmakers due to frozen tree branches.
Look up Teodora Hadjiyska. She's done a lot of research on Dyatlov Pass. They (the hikers) did know better than to camp in the open.
@@Turbodog702 ill buy that, good thinking
I have no experience with these kinds of things but I think it may be like in Jack London's "to build a fire": if you light a fire under a tree with snow it'll fall down on you. Now, that doesn't sound like a problem when you're in a tent but camping in a tent inside a forest with those low temperatures and a storm amounts to various kg of snow falling from above your shelter
@@Turbodog702 even then they could have gone several yards away and still counted it, had they of done that theres a strong chance they would have survived.
this is the best dyatlov pass video i have ever seen. i appreciate that it isnt all just wild theories and scary music, its also very detailed. good job all around.
It drives me nuts too, still hearing the avalanche thery with "case closed" remarks. It was in our National Television for crying out loud, with some "experts" casually explaining that all the lethal injuries were received inside the tent because of an avalance. And then they all walked away from it... REALLY!? I was yelling at the TV. Had the interviewer done 10 minutes of research, he could've roasted these "experts" into oblivion. Instead he said:"Case closed." Oh it still pisses me off.
The injured may have been carried by their friends. thats why the walk was slow and ordered.
I'm imagining you're from the area given you saying "Our," TV channels, ect.
I'm glad this topic isn't just a "Oh you stupid ignorant westerners" thing for you. Because I can imagine there being quite a few *obvious* things to you that aren't apparent to the rest of the world due to your location.
It pissing you off is totally justified, that sounds just like how we talk about [redacted's] assassination.
You have heard of people dying from internal injuries hours/days later after a car accident, haven't you? Hope you're not in the medical field, not even one of those fake ones, like chiropracty or acupuncture.
@@cissyiniguez Yes, well, you got me there. I'm not in the medical field. But I'm sure that you've done your research as well as I've done, over the years, you've read through all of the original investigation documents from 1959, including the autopsy reports, as I've done, in Russian, if needed, you've read all my dozens of remarks and conclusions under various videos about the Dyatlov incident and I have the feeling that you're quite ready to tell me not that my conclusions are wrong, but WHY are they wrong. So bring it.
there were 8, 9 pair of foot trails towards the woods (there are pics documenting it) so all of them walked, which would be impossible at least for 3 of them that were found with severe injuries @@TigerLily61811
This was probably the first mystery I got interested in, so thank you for covering it so thoroughly.
Wtf man when the fuck do you even sleep?? I was 100% sure we'll be waiting for part two for at least two-three weeks, man your adhd and motivation is like a superpower sometimes. I love you guys, thanks.
He literally has a coffee company
I can’t wait to see the finished video! I am so interested in this story! Great part two!!!
Something I think is interesting is the tent was cut open from the inside, implying someone picked up a knife on their way out of the tent. Did they just leave the knife in the tent or did it accompany the group to the Cedar tree?
There is a hint about the knife:"According to case files 341-343 the den was made from 14 fir tree and 1 birch tops. Yuri Yudin later noticed the discrepancy that there were only spruce trees that were cut near the den. Another strange fact is that there is no mentioning of a knife found at the scene, only a bakelite sheath, but the tree tops were cut. In Lev Ivanov's resolution to close the case it says "Near the bodies, Krivonischenko's knife was found, which cut off the young firs near the fire." Finding a knife is not documented anywhere and is not reflected in any of the memories of search participants. The same Krivonischenko's knife was not presented to relatives and was not returned to them. Unlike all other knives of the group."
So only Ivanov reports that a knife had been found "near the bodies", but it somehow disappeared thereafter and was not documented with other evidence, so probably someone from the investigation team just took it. A nice-looking, good quality knife wasn't available to everyone in Soviet Russia, especially back in 1959.
They probably had a knife... if they were cutting branches up in a tree they might have dropped it and then it got covered over with snow. When they say "no knife was found" they probably only searched right around their immediate area.
*Interesting...* There was the empty sheath too right? That didn't have any resolution if I'm remembering right. tbh this is so insane a case that I cannot remember even part one too well, no fault of the video itself. A compliment if anything, this is *the most information dense video.*
@@TTFerdinandhow close to the den did they find the cut branches? Always had the impression that whoever built the den had cut branches near the cedar and then transported the cut branches back to ravine where they found the den.
@@rh9967 Branches were cut from trees very close to the den, not from the cedar where they made the initial fire and where the first two bodies were found. The den was some 75 m (246 ft) from the cedar site and the cut branches were documented by the investigation team when they found the remaining four bodies.
God, this is so good. You have me on the edge of my seat with these videos. My mind is spinning and I love it. In your follow up video I would love to hear about the factors you hinted at that indicated a cover up.
By far the most detailed analysis of the incident I've listened to. Great stuff.
I think all the bruises could be from them hitting themselves trying to get the blood flowing. I live in Canada and can attest to this being something that people do to try to stay warm in winter.
Wow... That's the kind of thing that you *never* think of, but reading it makes you think "Of course..."
If they began falling out due to fatigue, hitting themselves would be the best way to both keep awake, *and* keep warm. What else are they gonna do? Use the *snow* like cold water?
That would also explain why the one hiker had his own skin in his mouth. I thought it might be to muffle a sound of pain, but it's possible he did it to actually cause himself pain and avoid fatigue.
That makes sense.
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@@XXMatt0040XXyou wouldn’t be hitting yourself so hard to cause bruised knuckles or a broken metacarpal.
Thank you for looking into this and not giving us anything but your best. I am completely clueless. This situation seems incredibly complicated with too many unknown factors to ever be able to do anything more than guess. But I have seen how your guesses are very good, certainly entertaining, and I look forward to whatever conclusions you may come to.
Without question the absolute best research and presentation Ive seen. Astounding work!
Thank you, great job! I am looking forward to part 3.
If memory serves me right, this wasn't terribly far from a weapons test range. Specifically a missle test range. A missile launch amd subsequent detonation would account for a lot. Especially if the detonation was because of control loss. A low altitude air burst would explain the crush injuries, burns and a lot of the cuts. Not to mention, a missile would generate a very unique sound and light source which would cause people to stop and look.
Huge point here
The traditional Finnish knives you're mentioning are called "Puukko". Although, there's also a traditional indigenous Siberian knife known as a "Yakut knife", which kiiiinda looks a little bit like a Puukko!😂 Both are cool though!
Btw, there was also an orb sighting reported by a guy working at a relatively nearby military installation on the same night. It apparently frightened him pretty badly. Imagine seeing a floating light source up to half a mile away, then it suddenly becomes clear that it sees YOU too! Each time you look at it, it responds by moving closer! Scares the hell out of me just thinking about it!😧
How is that pronounced ? Fuu ckk-o?
@@HardWhereHerofucko pop
puukko , means knife......
@@HardWhereHero perkeleukko
Source for orb sighting?
This video was much anticipated. Thank you very much!
Great video very well explained ❤ would love another video on this about the details you couldn't fit into this video
after watching both parts im confident it wasn't an avalanche. that's about all i can say. even with your extensive information presentation here, there's simply not enough information to figure out what really happened.. and honestly im perfectly happy with that.
that's why i love this case so much, its the perfect unsolved mystery. we dont know what happened and probably never will but that's whats so interesting and intriguing about it. great work bro.
If you're not the best, your in the top three. You definitely do great work.
Wow by far the best researched and explained videos I've seen!!!!
Excellent episode Aidan really went in depth with the details
I don’t know if this came up in your research, but I recommend the book Dead Mountain by Donnie Eichar about this incident! He talked extensively with Yuri Yudin (the lone survivor) and did a ton of on site research and put it all together very well!
Oh I was initially satisfied by the slab avalanche theory but you pointed out things that are inconsistent with that. And I’ve watched/listened to probably hundreds of hours of content of this same mystery and heard so many more details from this one video. Thank you!
Just watched your latest release and started back at first video. These were all very experienced hikers. Your explanation of what happened (sound) makes the most sense. Something had to happen to get them out of the tent. Because of the clothing of each hiker varied, perhaps they were sleeping and awakened to whatever terror that forced them out so quickly. In the dark, they could have become disoriented which might have explained their movements. Now I’m going to part two! I can’t get enough of this story! Thank you!
Getting to hear more information about the ordered departure is *super* interesting. I'd always envisioned it as a chaotic flight initially and then a growing dread of a repeat avalanche and differing priorities having split up the group in the responsive crush of action. That its so much more calculated and forewarned in the official explanation is fascinating.
We know that the tent wasn't completely buried, post avalanche, we have the pictures of the crushed tent. So maybe the "avalanche" ended up seeming a little less impressive than they were expecting (possibly because, as you described, they weren't super common for the area) and countering my original supposition of *multiple* avalanches, with a second one leading to the crushed den.
Instead, maybe once they were out it turned out to be too cold, too late, and possibly some didn't think the tent was useful anymore and so built the shelter instead. (Or even that they had split responsibilities if it was as orderly, or even became as orderly, as assumed. After the party was "done" gathering resources from the tree and maybe climbing it to get an idea of the danger of a future avalanche, then one group to recover supplies from the damaged tent, and one group to build a shelter that inevitably collapsed.)
AngelfromGenX's description of the winds is interesting too. (and the irony of a strong wind picking up some of the rocks and logs they were collecting and bludgeoning them with it to cause injuries is too slapstick to not be at least darkly entertained for a moment. As is 'mistaken avalanche, argument about whether or not its really a threat, then "oops real avalanche" or at least a repeat of the wind that made them think it was an avalanche', is similarly slapstick.)
The scrapes and bruises sound sensibly similar to following out of a tree, taking into account that some branches will break and break sharply and slash you in the fall as a result (and they may have been the ones to fall because the branch they were on may have broke). Then if they fell into the fire (or hit the stove in the tent if there was hubub and the exit wasn't as orderly as theorized) could explain some burn wounds, although maybe not all of them unless they were left there to thrash in any fire for a bit. Also the flesh in his mouth could have come from biting himself to distract himself from pain. Possibly as the others tried to initially treat his fall when they did get there.
The knuckle bruises take me back to my idea that the tent partially collapsed while they were in it and some people panicked and tried to hack their way out, others stumbled into the stove/heater, and everything took a turn for a big half-awake fist fight in a panic (possibly when people started nearly getting cut with a knife) until everyone calmed down. Or the freezing cold people got in a fist fight over their next course of action, which seems unlikely but people have done dumber shit. Or they fucked up their hands climbing up the tree. Or digging something up?
If the den collapsed and they were rolled downhill by a crushing weight 6 meters then maybe it'd be comparative to a more direct 2 meter drop? Which makes me think avalanche again but maybe something like "crushingly powerful windstorm rolling snow, and them" makes sense too.
I'd point out that people fall out of planes and survive. Its possible the one guy survived with less injuries by sheer dumb luck because he unintentionally used the guy he was cradled against - or even the woman too - as a human shield during the rolling. I still think the explanation is mostly a mundane series of events, but its so convoluted while still being potentially average that its enticing. Because while I feel confident in the relatively boring explanation, even discounting the possibility of a willful fistfight style event, I never walk away entirely satisfied because without a literal camera and time travel nobody ever will be. (I do think its approximately solved enough though that I think the conspiracy theories around it should mostly die, but I'm nakedly distrustful of the outlandish, because usually life is boring. The explanations are boring and easily physically derived, even when something wild and unlikely happens. )
These videos have been the most concise (though still confusing bc its unsolved duh) and in depth explanations Ive seen. Good work ❤ definitely feel like the govt was involved somehow in the accident or at least a cover up. It makes me sad thinking abt their final moments and I hope we can solve their mystery one day
This is a really good video. Very well laid out. Gotta go binge your channel, see you on the other side!
I had to watch this again! I love you for your knowledge and honesty! I am sharing your videos with as many people I know and they too are just as shocked! Keep up the extraordinary work! See you when the "Krakken is released!"
I've seen fights and places right after fights. This is definitely a crime scene not an accident scene. I think their separation, undress and some injuries are best explained by a fight/attack. No doubt for me, it was human action. I'm just not sure if it was internal or a group of outsiders that attacked them.
Agreed. It could have been an incident prior to the group's fracture, so it's not mutually exclusive to some other theories
I mean, KGB was still a thing at this time. It was the cold war. Nuke testing. Sleeper agents. And we're talking about BEING IN RUSSIA! Yeah, human intervention definitely played a key role in this horrible scenario. Totally agree with you
Oh stop.
I think it was drunken agents of the state, most likely military. Roughed them up and left them for dead after stumbling drunk upon their tent during some sort of training exercise or trek through the area.
@@rockstarofredondo dude why would they do that? It makes no sense. They aren’t barbarians who would do that to their own people? Maybe the women though… it’s something with the women for me. They are the cause of this imo. That sparked whatever happened.
Respect for your work and passionate narration from Croatia-Europe may the Good Lord watch over us all in these extremely weird times ❤❤❤
I’ve been looking forward to this part 2!
I just found this channel the other day, and I love it. Part of me wishes I found itt sooner, but the other part is stoked that I have endless videos to binge lol. Been watching all day
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The Astonishing Legends podcast has some great insights and theories. One thing about the Yeti that I don’t think I heard you mention is that on one of the camera rolls they carried showed a grainy, distant photo of a humanoid yeti-looking creature walking between trees. Astonishing Legends concluded it was probably the hikers goofing off but it does explain the origin of the yeti theory a little better
This was actually brilliant, i read the book called Dead Mountain by Donnie Eichar which addressed some but not all what you brought up, but im still thinking it was a partial avalanche. As for abrasions im thinking that much of it came from trying to dig hardened snow barehanded. But yeah still so many questions.
Just found this Chanel yesterday… very captivating dictation. With satisfyingly smooth topical transitions
This is the best researched video on this tragic event. Your dog is lovely. 😀🇨🇦
I've heard a theory that the den group didn't fall, but were crushed by a collapsing snow bank. Idk if that makes sense. Like one died of hypothermia and the rest were crushed?
Also why was Dyatlov facing down the hill? Was he returning? Did he die on the initial walk down? Maybe that's why the group fractured? But then why was he injured too? Did he realise he wouldn't make it to the tent and turned back? Was his arm position due to muscular jiggery pokery from him being dead? Some kinda rigor mortis?
Maybe the reason one of them in the tent was dressed and had a camera was cos he just came back in? Maybe he'd been taking pictures, out to pee, swapping watch with the other guy? Maybe two of them were out of the tent and one rushed in or both shouted to warn the others of something and they cut their way out? Maybe one got in, the other shouted and they left?
Maybe one person making a bad decision like telling them to leave resulted in a fist fight? Maybe knives were confiscated after the fight and thrown away? That'd be dumb in a survival situation. Maybe the knives were taken by local hunters, not knowing what they found?
Perhaps the wind was bad enough that they were gonna leave but the stove was knocked over in the process and *fearing* a fire they left in a hurry, even though it didn't happen? Either one of them knocked it over or the wind did.
I've also heard stories that one of the den group had paper and a pen in their hand that was blank when they died. Dunno if that's just a rumour though. The same video I saw positing this and the crushing theory also said some of the tent group's injuries could have been from debris being blown into them as they ascended the hill. I think it was a video by Bedtime Stories or something. They suggested the radioactive clothes being from their work, but the dust thing complicates that.
Nothing ever 100% explains this situation.
"the den group didn't fall, but were crushed by a collapsing snow bank"
These people weren't armatures, however this was many years ago so scaling skill level is hard. It does "make sense," I can see one person being covered up almost entirely, practically a burred alive situation. That was a terrifying thought lol...
"Was his arm position due to muscular jiggery pokery from him being dead? Some kinda rigor mortis?"
That honestly might be the way to tell if it was human intervention or not. It's almost... too convenient that he was laid out like that. "Paradoxical undressing, end of story." There's so much contradictory "evidence" here (no fault of the video itself) that *who knows.*
Best analysis of this case I've come across yet, thank you. And also thanks for letting me stare at the doge for a bit. Such a fluffy floofer...
If you're taking suggestions, would LOVE to hear your take on Kaspar Hauser.
awesome video like always!
Extensive data wonderfully presented! You, your good research, and your engaging storytelling are more interesting, and more informative, than countless other videos beset by breathless wonderings and fancy computer animations.
A teensy piece of the puzzle I like to poke is the footprints leading from the tent. If visibility was bad, I think it's possible that they lined up in order like they did during their hikes and kept together that way, maybe standing very close together or holding onto the person in front of them.
36:02 Maybe he got hit by 1 of the guys that fell from the tree? A person falling on you, especially from 5 meters up, will cause damage.
RUclips glitched and deleted my very long rant before I could post, so here are the cliff notes version;
Zolotavry might have been dressed and outside with the camera when all this went down. Either for nighttime photography, snow makes everything bright, or to gather proof of something. Could be scouting the place for military purposes like weapons testing, since it was so remote. He could also be working against the Soviet government and trying to find proof of something else. Could be why he held on to the camera, or it could be sheer human weirdness in the face of extreme stress.
Exstream cold really messes with the human body and mind. Makes you clumsy and unable to really control your limbs. The numbness means you don't feel pain, especially in your hands and feet. Those two things could explain some of the bruises, as just collecting firewood in this state could easily leave someone with battered and bloody hands.
Tripping and falling would be more likely than not. Getting the fire going, the light would ruin their dark vision. They might have stumbled into a three or two, or fallen over the uneven terrain of the forest floor.
The constant shivering of your muscles trying to keep you warm leaves them really weak, and it happens faster than one would expect.
All of the above leaves someone in a poor state to be making decisions. Complex task management, the ability to plan/think ahead and communicate. Emotional control. Rational thought. Hell even a person's memory and ability to focus. All of that suffers greatly.
They may have been too exhausted to go further than the three-line when they first got there and too affected by the environment already, to see the benefits of doing so. Also, the forest would have been darker than the mountainside, with less snow on the ground and the trees casting everything in shadows.
Humans have an instinctual fear of the unknown. Something that could have played a part in why they didn't go further in. It may also have influenced some group member's decision to head back toward the tent.
Especially after the two members fell out of the three and died, I believe the rest acted more on fear and instinct than anything else.
Bruised knuckles can also result from a fall. On a similar note, the missing tools could be a result of someone falling and losing it in the snow, hard to find again, especially in the dark.
This case is full of missing pieces, some more suspicious than others. Hope we will get answers one day.
I get I’ve listened to a minimum of ten different channels talking about this very thing over the years . Likely many more than that . This run down of the facts on this channel is probably my favorite so far.
Your one of my favorites to listen to I appreciate all you do my boy
I think Zolotaryov was taking photos/relieving himself when the event happens, hence why he was fully dressed like Thibaux who may have been on watch at the time
So basically there were approximately two weeks for anyone to do anything they wanted to do to the group. Now I wonder what happened in those 2 weeks before they were found. This case has caused me to lose sleep. I wish I could obtain a time machine . I absolutely need to know what happened!!!
Build a rocket that goes faster than the speed of light and equip it with a telescope so powerful that it can see hundreds of light years away. After you’re far enough away from Earth, point your telescope at the Pass and you should see the light wave reflections of what actually happened back then. If you see a star explode in the night sky, it actually detonated hundreds of years ago because it’s so far away. You’re SEEING into the past!
My math checks out bro.
This was such a great video, a story that I've always wanted to find out to what happened. #Awesomework
Awesome that you had an observation I hadn't heard before: the person who was fully dressed had been on watch. Thanks, Mr M. This incident has fascinated me for years so I follow the vids about it like so many of us.
Hey Aidens, I don't know if you'll see this comment but I'd love to input my theory. Personally, I think they were killed. Perhaps the best dressed of the group weren't planning on sleeping that night, and keeping a lookout for something suspicious because maybe they knew they were in a dangerous place. Then, imagine they saw something or someone , so they said to the group, "wake up, we have to leave" and one group m'amener took their knife and cut open the tent, and all the group members escaped the tent without going through the front, where the people were coming at them. They sneaked down the mountain to the tree, and the two men climbed up to have a look at where the murderers were. I agree that maybe they climed too high, and in a panic (due to seeing the murderers and/or being very cold) they fell from the tree and were suffering on the ground. The rest of the group, who were building a fire and hoping that the murders were not close, realized that they needed to move. The members who fell from the tree were probably too injured to go along with them, and perhaps in their panic they burned themselves on the fire. I think that dyatlov and the two other might have gone to confront the murders, and the others were too scared. But the killers, for whatever reason, brutally beat the three. I think they might've choked dyatlov, and that's why his ands were in that position. Perhaps they dragged the other two bodies into different positions too make it look less like a fight. Then, the killers went looking for the other group members. The others had built a shelter to try and hide out. The murders stumbled upon the two who had fallen from the tree, and maybe now they attempt to burn the bodies, or as I said it might have been the fire from earlier. The killers followed the footprints or the fir trail (I think the group member who cut the tent still had their knife) to the den, where the others were hiding. Then, the killers might have forced them out of their shelter, taken their weapons, and brought them too a place where they could have pushed them off a cliff, mountain face, or even set off a bomb to kill them. After their deaths, they might have been dragged back to their den and placed in the water. Their positions may have been staged, and I think that, for some reason, the one who died of hypothermia might have been injured severely and left for dead. I know this might sound very fictional, and you might not care, but this is just a theory with some very open and broken places.
That doesn’t explain the high levels of radiation found on multiple bodies.
they probably never would have built a fire if they were trying to hide
It seems each of the theories have some holes, so yours seem as likely as some others!
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Hey Aidens, I don't know if you'll see this comment but I'd love to input my theory. Personally, I think they were killed. Perhaps the best dressed of the group weren't planning on sleeping that night, and keeping a lookout for something suspicious because maybe they knew they were in a dangerous place.
Then, imagine they saw something or someone , so they said to the group, "wake up, we have to leave" and one group m'amener took their knife and cut open the tent, and all the group members escaped the tent without going through the front, where the people were coming at them. They sneaked down the mountain to the tree, and the two men climbed up to have a look at where the murderers were.
I agree that maybe they climed too high, and in a panic (due to seeing the murderers and/or being very cold) they fell from the tree and were suffering on the ground. The rest of the group, who were building a fire and hoping that the murders were not close, realized that they needed to move. The members who fell from the tree were probably too injured to go along with them, and perhaps in their panic they burned themselves on the fire.
I think that dyatlov and the two other might have gone to confront the murders, and the others were too scared. But the killers, for whatever reason, brutally beat the three. I think they might've choked dyatlov, and that's why his ands were in that position. Perhaps they dragged the other two bodies into different positions too make it look less like a fight. Then, the killers went looking for the other group members. The others had built a shelter to try and hide out. The murders stumbled upon the two who had fallen from the tree, and maybe now they attempt to burn the bodies, or as I said it might have been the fire from earlier.
The killers followed the footprints or the fir trail (I think the group member who cut the tent still had their knife) to the den, where the others were hiding. Then, the killers might have forced them out of their shelter, taken their weapons, and brought them too a place where they could have pushed them off a cliff, mountain face, or even set off a bomb to kill them. After their deaths, they might have been dragged back to their den and placed in the water. Their positions may have been staged, and I think that, for some reason, the one who died of hypothermia might have been injured severely and left for dead. I know this might sound very fictional, and you might not care, but this is just a theory with some very open and broken places.
@@aspirec1376 I find the rads rather innocuous, personally. Maybe I missed something though; this amount of wildly convoluted information is very hard for me to digest.
And that's why I come back to watch
When Archie shows up, I suddenly need to make a concerted effort to pay attention to the lore.
Best two episodes to date‼Ty ❤
This 2 part was absolutely BRILLIANT! Best video i have seen on this awful, tragic and weird story ☹️ Thank you, I thoroughly enjoyed your video on this🤔👏🏽💯😊♥️♥️
One interesting theory thats rarely discussed is that at the “cedar tree” site there is a down tree that investigators visiting the site typically sit on (you can find it in photos of the area) theory being the downed tree fell on the group while at near the fire pit handing out many injuries….. also the burns on their body’s was likely just from being to close to the fire at the cedar tree….idk what that’s not mentioned at all
one thing that’s still confusing me is one of the bodies at the cedar being found with their own flesh in their mouth? it’s possible i missed something (i’m watching this falling asleep) but i can’t help but feel like that was just glossed over. if anyone has any answers about this please let me know!!
I've read before that investigators thought he'd been in such much pain he was biting his own hand trying to stay awake. I've done similar (although much less drastic) things when in pain.
So love this channel, especially the comic relief bits 😂💖💜💕
Well done. All of my doubts, queries and conundrums perfectly presented. This is what makes the whole thing so flipping interesting ... nothing fits all of the known facts.
The key to understanding this is realizing that they were all deafened by what happened at the tent. It was dark and impossible for them to communicate verbally. Hence the orderly descent from the tent and the relative chaos afterwards. What deafened them is most likely what caused the severe injuries. The one guy had the camera because of the lights in the sky they saw from Soviet military weapons traversing the space over their heads. One such weapon malfunctioned and detonated above the tent. The ones with the worst injuries were standing or sitting up while the ones with fewer injuries were laying down. The overpressure caused a lot more severe injuries to those upright because of the incident angle of the overpressure. Those laying down experienced the overpressure less directly and distributed over their whole body supported by the snow. They would’ve been extremely disoriented, shocked, afraid, and confused. They managed to collect each other, link arms, and move away from the tent in recovery, but no one thought to get dressed because of the extreme disorientation of being deafened and wounded. Each of the chaotic actions/decisions that followed resulted from the extreme confusion, inability to communicate, and the severe injuries among the group. The head of the Soviet investigation said repeatedly that he felt pressure from above to close the case quickly. This is all you need to know to crack the case. The Soviet military discovered the incident, cleaned it up as best as they could, removing signs of the weapon (metal fragments, etc.). They knew that the deaths were the result of secret military maneuvers, and so left the remains quickly, in some places bodies moved and deposited in improvised fashion. It was never really a mystery to the Soviets, and therefore 59 years of cover up succeeded in keeping the real cause away from the public.
I like it. Also explains the cover- up in 2020 - protect the reputation of the armed forces
Agreed.
Deffo a cover-up.
This is a great explanation. I'd go for this. Thank you
Lol, no
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I don’t know any other RUclips channel who does this kind of type of thorough investigation!!
Great video. Excellent job❤❤❤❤
Sopernatural, there were small cuts in the tent as well as large. IMO the small cuts were to see out. The big bone breaks are mostly unexplained. The actions of all indicate fear and confusion ie, not returning together to tent, supplies and food. If this was a disagreement , I can not imagine everyone letting something like that lead to fatalities. These were strong and very experienced people, If it was something natural I think that they, if not all at least some, could have survived. In recent decades something similar happened with one survivor with no explanation. IDK.
Oh, I didn't know about the small cuts in the tent. Thanks, that makes the theory even more legit.
Haven't watched yet but the katabatic winds theory always seemed like the most logical.
I love how the puppy just joined you for the video at one point ❤️
So interesting and reading the comments is even more interesting. There are so many theories and options of what could've happened and what they thought to do im not sure we'll ever come to one definitive answer.
It could have been a light avalanche, enough to drive them from the tent in a hurry, but not enough to compleatly destroy and bury it. They build the fire under the tree to wait for the coast to clear. The two climb the tree to get a look and fall to their deaths. This causes a disagreement of what the next course of action should be and a fist fight breaks out, maybe with tree branches used as weapons. The group splits, with one group succumbing to their injuries on the way back to the tent and the other group building the den. Perhaps there was further infighting with the den group and more violence broke out. Trauma and cold tend to leave people with short fuses. Disclaimer: nothing I've said here is definitive, I'm just speculating.
Yeah likely a small slab avalache collapsed the tent. Snow got destabilized by the way they pitched their tent at an angle, normally a very smart thing.
While I can't dispute infighting or a group breakdown might have occurred, it feels less likely to me that actual fighting might break out. That is a lot of expended energy, and if the goal was theft of supplies/clothes, and it was thought fighting was the best solution, I find it unlikely the fight would have ended except in death.
This is a simple yet sound theory, and I do like it. Curious, tho, they traveled "1-1.5km" downslope to the treeline -- that's not a quick distance to travel in ideal conditions, let alone the weather they were experiencing. In ideal conditions it would take the group 13-17 minutes to go 1.5 kilometers, but in this case it was dark, very cold, and in deep snow with minimal gear. Aiden makes the point that another 10-15m into the trees would have drastically lessened their hardships at seeking shelter, and considering the whole group's experiences and skill-set ranged from adept to excellent AND they apparently descended in an orderly fashion, why stop just at the tree-line?
I also DO really like the theory that infrasound contributed to their initial, hasty departure; those kinds of conditions would have also been near-deafening due to wind which would add to the unease. The formation of the ridgeline above them combined with the prevailing winds and either location of the tent presents a likely possibility of infrasound-induced anxiety or panic. Photos from the scene show the tent partially covered in snow, but not completely buried, which also supports the slab-avalanche factor. Perhaps the infrasound had everyone on edge, and the member who suspected the avalanche spoke up, hence their hasty departure. They would want as much distance as possible and so would head for the trees.
L:ike you said: cold and miserable + short tempers could definitely lead to arguments and rash actions after the initial incident. They wait out the initial slab-avalanche to ensure no more immediate danger, and need a fire for immediate survival, thus the tree-climbing. Two of the party fall, the rest are arguing, etc, and this leads to the split.
What I'm not sure of, tho, is some of the more traumatic injuries. If a fist-fight broke out it would explain the injuries to the hands, and some of the facial injuries, but what about the injuries consistent with blast-waves and highly kinetic impacts? That definitely has me slightly baffled.
@@Turbodog702 I never said anything about theft of supplies. I stated the cause of the fight could have been a disagreement about what they should do next. Not even Aiden suggests that anyone was trying to steal supplies, so I have no idea where you got that from.
@@jeezycreezy4220 Getting into a physical altercation for no other reason than a disagreement of what to do next in a critical situation seems less plausible than it either:
1. A physical fight didn't happen.
2. People went into actual panic and attempting to take something by force.
As funny as the Always Sunny overlay was, next time, drop the audio from it. Made it kind of hard to hear what you were actually saying.
You've got Mono Audio don't you?
I agree it's too loud, but I could make it out perfectly fine. Btw, captions work just fine
@@XXMatt0040XX I was on my phone and have hearing issues. Also, the captions work fine until their voices start overlapping and then they stop entirely.
Intriguing and very well presented.
I LOVE that you kept in the cuts with your dog in them. I just wish you'd pet him / her 😭❤