Who Should Project Manage an Extension? ASB #21
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Chris Evans is buying a house and wants to fit a new bathroom. He's watched our videos and wants to make sure the bathroom is waterproof.
David Kilvington has a new combi boiler (ATAG 36kw) installed in his utility room and noticed that if he uses any of the downstairs appliances (taps, washing machine or toilet), that the combi will turn on after the water is shut off. How can he fix this?
Lee Hanson is looking at having a large extension to the rear of his house and has had an architect onboard from the very beginning. He had intended to contract the architect to see him through the construction but has struggled through the tender process as many builders and building firms seemed to be pricing themselves out of the job and he didn't understand why.
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Never knew this about RUclips. Will start doing this
1:30 Has he plumbed the cistern with hot water?
Totally agree with you Roger, I dislike working with architect's. I've yet to find one that has a clue about the type of old buildings I work on. It's always :- excavate floor by 500mm for hardcore, insulation, DPM etc, Huge steel ridge beams, Class B brickwork with OPC mortar, Float & set walls etc. The majority of places I work on have no footings, rubble filled solid 13" - 18" soft red brick walls and all lime mortar !!! If I did what an architect said then I'd end up with cracked gables, condensation & damp all if the house didn't collapse from digging out the floors.
I'd advise people to find a good local builder, make sure you all get on together, ditch the contracts and try an old fashioned idea of trust !!!
If you don't trust the people you are employing to carry out works for you then why are you bothering in the first place.
As for the bathroom, you could use Jacko board if you want a thermal break as this is quite cheap and also waterproof. Homelux do a good tanking kit for walls & floor, a bit like a waterproof wallpaper. It goes down with tile adhesive and would cost about £50 to tank a shower.
Best Regards
Tim
A contract exists to ensure fairness and protect both parties. Any good contractor will have no fear in entering into contracted works as they are confident their work will be done correctly and pass any defects liability period. I don’t doubt that a good builder can run a project without a contract but there are a lot of not so good builders too! (And also a lot of arrogant architects!).
In the same way that any contractor has to price a job so does the architect. How many; site visits, progress meetings, valuations, architects instructions, certificates, extension of time claims will they have to allow for in their fee?
An architect wants to see his/ her designs built to a high standard in a professional manner. If you find a good architect you work well with you can almost guarantee you will be invited to tender for future works. Also, construction is a collaborative process so you will learn from them, and they will learn from you.
And let's not forget the most important person in all of this who doesn't seem to warrant a mention ... the homeowner. If you're spending say £50 - £100k on an extension to your home and it's an activity that you have no experience of, then damn right you want a contract to protect yourself. I find this chaps comments totally loaded from a builders viewpoint and finger pointing at Architects, and like you I strongly believe a business transaction of complexity and substantial cost should be contracted. The good guys have nothing to fear from a contract.
I'm a building surveyor and produce construction drawings for clients. I can do this at a fraction of the cost of an architect. I project manage roughly 30-35% of the jobs, with the builder managing the rest - I sit in the background to ensure the paperwork is delivered. I understand the comments about architect's running the job. However, I cannot overstate the importance of a decent project manager - especially one who is knowledgeable on matters of key approvals and paperwork. I've been a surveyor for 20 years and of all the buildings I've surveyed in that time I've never come across a single one that had the full suite of paperwork for the work carried out on it. There is always something missing: either planning permission, building control approval - especially on renovation of thermal elements, structural engineer's calculations, party wall agreements, building-over drain agreements, the list goes on and on. This is of no consequence to the builders - they are long gone. However, the impact on the client can be devastating: house sales falling through, thousands - even tens of thousands - being wiped off the value, building work being regularised by the council and even having to be demolished in some cases (which I have seen in several court cases.) In almost all of these instances, the client employed the builder to do the work directly and the builder failed to get the paperwork. They either didn't know it was necessary, or didn't involve the right authorities to save time, money and hassle. This does not happen often - if ever - at the commercial end of construction. But sadly it's all too common at the residential end of the scale.
A perfect break is a cup of tea, a piece of cake and Roger Bisby presenting Ask SkillBuilder 😀
Thanks Steve. We're fans of a bit of malt loaf here.
You’ll get a better job with a good builder managing the project, all the architect will do is cause friction and try to stamp his mark of authority on your house
A professional architect exists to protect the client interest and merely administers the contract onsite. I agree design and build is best for these sorts of minor works.
This should be on the TV, it’s a damn sight better than a lot of the crap we get these days. You could be the new Jeremy Kyle, instead of shouting at some loser you could shout at bad DIYers (and architects).
Only half of this comment is 'tongue in cheek'.
re boiler - common problem and no need to fiddle with the valves. there will be a dead leg somewhere downstream of the boiler, the air is trapped there and the water is moving back and forth as you mention by compressing the air as the momentum of the water pushes it onwards. A NRV would help, but the real solution is simply find the dead leg and bleed it (or remove it if it's not a tap). It could even be a tap that hasn't been used since the DHW was last drained down.
No way an architect for a normal house extension unless you have more style than sense and more money than either.
Ha! Re: segment with the boiler that turns on after a flush, first thing i thought was that the loo had been plumbed into the hot water line !!!
I've come across that before. Same house had 2 stop taps. 1 metered supplying cold water throughout but a second stop tap (in what was an old out-house) serving the combi and hence hot water. Combi was in out-house so they never noticed.
A job a few years ago (i was helping out on weekends as my stepdad is a builder, i was about 14) the architect declared himself as the manager of the site. He then said to the owner "this is my site, if you want to go there (his own property) call me and i will be down in 20 minutes to accompany you... at a rate of £40/hr.
Safe to say the architect was sacked when we arrived.
Bit of a generalisation about architects. I work for an architects and we would always listen to the builders and take advice on the practicalities of the work being carried out on site. We are there to guide the design and not the construction methods. Having said that, for such a small job like this extension, we would prefer that the builder project managed the job as it is straight forward. Never fallen out with builders either, maybe we are a rare breed of architect though, I don't know! 😂
Think you must be the exception. A wise man once told me "there are two types of architect, those who don't know, and those who don't know they don't know"🤣
Yer all a bunch of muppets
@@retardedamericans1 okay pal 👍
@@She4rer I was only joking
Im an Architect *ducks thrown beer bottles* and most of my work is building regs so i like to watch great channels like this. Ive worked on the tools before i went uni and have been on both sides of the fence. I would agree on a small job a good builder can project manage but there is not much to really manage, structural engineer, drainage maybe sap. But once you get into the bigger jobs you need an architect since there are a lot more third parties to deal with. Most builders that i work with bloody love having an architect on board cos we are able to deal most of the box ticking bollocks so you dont have too. Clients always ask architects to project manage but only some architects charge for it. Architects will normally quote them for project management if the client was high maintenance during the planning stage. Its not crafty architects ripping people off. I have great respect of good builder but i have also met builders that built waste pipes that go to nowhere and foul waste lifted paving slabs and builders that charged for planning drawing and submitted nothing and some that just plain old took the money and run. I have also known architects that dont know what end to hold a hammer and still try to tell builder of 60 years of age what to do. I love this channel and hatred of architects feeds my soul but guys we are here to deal with the shit you dont want to not look over your shoulder, tbh most of the time we are just happy to be out of the office. Love the channel great job.
funny to hear about waste pipes. MILs boss bought a posh flat off plan in germany last year , new build just shy of €1m. 2 weeks before moving in date last month it was discovered the builders hadn't connected a 12 flat block to the central waste drain (love to know the cleaning bill for bottom 2 flats where loos overflowed and drained into the basement / parking levels). fire brigade refused permission to dig up road as homeowners beyond couldnt be reached in case of fire. had to access it by tunneling in from side... hotel bills must ve been a fortune alone without figuring in remedial work - ripping out and refitting poggenpohl kitchens with rising shite must ve cost a bit.
as a colleague once told me "german efficiency? it's a myth from the 60s..."
I took over my fathers building contracting company ten years ago after gaining my trade qualifications in carpentry and joinery followed by fifteen years working for and being taught by my dad who himself had nearly sixty years building experience so I'm pretty good at what I do even if I do say so myself.
I have a healthy respect for architects and appreciate what they do,I get 90% of my extension and new build work directly through two architects whom I have established a good working relationship with which is the way that most good builders get they're work. As you say anything over a simple and small job requires an architect and they need to be on hand for any design based queries,a good architect is generally to busy to project manage and they need to be able to trust and rely on the builders that they put forward for projects which is where the cultivation of relationships come in.
A good builder who is asked to build an extension or new build etc should be the one to manage the project and will be all over every single aspect of said project,I don't see any need or requirement for an architect to manage a job,I can only imagine a homeowner who would ask for this would be very nervous about the job and trying to ensure that it goes smoothly which is perfectly understandable,an architect with a good working relationship with a bulilder should be able to recommend them to the customer and put their mind at ease which will then only be put more at ease upon meeting the builder.
The homeowner/customer is the most important person in this equation.
Thanks for the video mr. Bisby I feel it has opened up a good and informative dialogue for homeowners to learn a little.
It's certainly the best way to go if you can get someone you already know and trust but builders like that are rare. If that isn't the case it's best to go down the professional route and have some sort of contractual protection, because without it you can end up in a lot of trouble real fast.
I learn something new from every video!!! My builder did cement on the outside and inside of my extension thermal block walls and is cracked inside and out but didn't look like movement so couldn't understand it!!!
Have the heating engineers accidentally piped up to the central heating? This happened to us on a job we had to sort out in Hull. Boiler pressure would continue to drop which is a give away. Just a thought. Check if cistern water is warm.
I think to answer the question on the toilet triggering the boiler to fire. From listening to the video it sounds like the toilet has a quick fill valve from the sound of the harsh float cut off. These valves don't gradually decrease the flow rate into the toilet like the traditional ball cock fill valves do as the water level rises. These newer valves fill on max flow right up to the required level then slam the water supply of very harshly. This causes a shock and back flow that causes the problem you have. Revert back to a traditional ball cock flush valve so flow decreases nice and slowly as the ball rises and avoids the harsh back flow of a quick shut off. Hope this makes sense.
I had the same problem with my boiler - I solved it by turning up the water via my stop-cock, creating more pressure.
Sod rendering on thermalite, plasterboard all the way. I’ve see render on those blocks, cracks everywhere!
Who the fuck would put a boiler in a bathroom honestly 🤔🤓🙄😂
Love the channel, great advice. 👍
Best and brilliant advice from Rodger. 👍👍
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Never let an Architect manage a project of any complexity/cost - it's a recipe for disaster. Any design problems are fobbed off and costs can escalate dramatically. The only way I'd do it is if the architect was a design/builder and gives fixed-price contract. Vast majority of Architects simply don't know costs.
Hi Roger! I recently rewatched your bathroom refurbishment. I'm going to do a full rip out and replace the existing bath with a Mira tray. The bath is surrounded on three sides by two very cold exterior walls and one interior block wall. It suffers from terrible condensation after a shower and the steam is thick. I'll upgrade the extractor fan but I want to warm up the exterior walls too. Should I pick a smaller shower tray and line the walls with e.g. Kingspan, and if so how much, and what waterproof covering can I tile onto? Any recommendations for extractor upgrades? Thanks!
When I built a new 9 m2 bathroom btw two bedrooms in my 115 yr old wooden house, I tore out the original 35 mm pine floor planks down to the 4x12 rafters, removed the clay/moss/dirt insulation and re-insulated btw the stories. Luckily I was able to place all drainage pipes btw the rafters (with a spec drop) with just some minor drilling for water. Then I nailed 15 mm grove/tongue particle boards on the rafters, then screwed 6 mm cement boards, then electrical cables for floor heating on a mesh, then sealed off all around the floor and poured 20-50 mm floating cement (leveled to drainage throughout the room), then coated all wet zones (floor, shower, tub, sink and toilet) with up to 5 coats of liquid sealer including fiber glass reinforcement to spec, and then tiles and grout. The bathroom is now Niagara proof, but nothing extraordinary, ie. normal code here in Norway. Though I did most of the work myself, every step and product was documented, hence I most probably will be safe during the 5 yrs I'm liable after a sale, as well as I now can insure the hooplabling (the house) with a good 25% deduction.
Finally someone to speak the truth about the relationship between a builder and an architect. Everything looks great in a 3D vision, in reality they already tried to save money on floors and walls, when you come to tile you need 2 days to make it straight as big dimensions leave no trials around there.
As usual, all good advice, on jobs where an architect or designer has been project managing, I have found more often than not they are a source of friction between the contractor and the client because they often insist on some specs or course of action that may not be practical.
I would never engage an Architect for a domestic extension - seek out a good Auto-CAD technician, they are capable of producing drawings,, site specific details and specifications at a fraction of the cost of an architect. And dont employ any builder who can't project manage a straightforward extension.
I even did drawings by hand for my extension and then built it myself.Got completion certificate from council
@@eugeneeugene8252 nice one..you obviously have a good understand of construction. You must have saved yourself a fortune.
@@georgemorton6199 Thanks, extensions and lofts quite straightforward.I do have 20 years experience in many trades which helps 🙂
Hi roger
Some very sensible advice their mate , well done ❤️👍
thanks roger for all this advice found this video very informative and useful.
A neighbour of mine had his own architect (a friend of his), who demanded that the builders would be paid only in 4 payments. So in conjunction with the reticence to have to deal with him in the first place then thought, hang on I will have to fund £50k of parts and labour before I get a penny. The end result was if the builders were putting in a massively high price of around $200k for a simple loft and extension job just to not get the job.
The neighbour decided to move but the architect still proved to be a real A hole. The house was sold with planning permission but when a new set of builders for the new owner went to him for the steel structural calcs for just the loft conversion refused to give them and said he would sue them if they used his designs. It is a terraced house.... I have my own beef with the architect but that's another story.
@@Elfin4 Perhaps I did not make it clear. This is a box on top of a terraced house not the gherkin. There is one room and bathroom. What exactly is the intellectual property in the design of that? Also the house was sold with the plans. All the new owners asked for was the steel calc's. Not exactly an onerous request. The owner said they were approved by the council which was also a lie, I read the counsel report and there is no way they they would have signed of on the cladding he put forward. The new owner just wanted approved tiles not the way out wooden cladding he proposed.
The proof is in the pudding. No builder put in a credible bid as making people sign onerous contacts makes them very nervous. They told me that they doubled it just to cover the potential problems dealing with an architect.
What company puts up £50k of their on a job on a loft extension? I think you live on a different planet or your an architect....
@@Elfin4 NO I did not say the client puts up £50k in advance. It was the other way around. Normal works involves staggered payments. First is for say to cover the material costs. In my case it was around £10k. Then you pay another after x work is done. The contract with my builder laid it out in advance.
You are constantly saying that unless the builder is capable of putting £50k of his own money up front then he is useless (or words to that effect).
Perhaps I'm wrong, I would love for you to link me to a building firm who would be happy to fund 25% of the build costs in advance for you.
I never said a contract is not needed. I had one with my loft builder even though they just did the shell. There is a world of difference between a hospital and loft extension though. One would benefit from very good over site the other is not.
What the builders objected to was the architect. Ask any simple builder if they fancy the idea of an architect forcing them to sign his contracts to do a run of the mill loft extension / and extension and only pe paid after 25% was done. No decent builder is so short of work they need that. So they put in 50% more to scare them off( I spoke to a few builders and a number said I looked at a job nearby and said no, so not exactly unique)
The property was sold with drawings (or so they thought) My architect would not give a rats arse if I sold my property with a set of his drawings.
We are talking here of a loft extension. I could do the drawings myself, they are dead simple. What you really are paying for is the guarantee that you will tick the building controls box's. Something this architect failed at as he submitted it 2 x and still got it wrong. Then claimed his design was some how so unique that using them was something he could sue over. Its a box on top of a roof. Not exactly many permutations you can make on to a 2 room layout.
logik100
Why should the architect give their design to a new builder and owner? The original owner sold the house not the design.
The planning permission is not a set of construction documents which if used would carry an element of liability for the architect
Where is the video regarding the dot and dab tiles? Would like to see the results
Hi Luke
We have half completed our experiments but I can tell you the floor and walls are fine. No cracks in the grout or tiles and everything is sound as a Euro.
Thinking of tiling my bathroom floor however it is a joist floor with floorboard and I wud say possible have a slight bounce in it wat can be done or is it just a case of having to beef the floor up
Yep, you'll have to take up the floorboards and sister on new joists. Kinda depends on the span on what you sister on. if you re install the floorboards you'll still need to lay down another substrate to tile onto.
Very bad advice on the architect considering that we know nothing about the contract. The architect or third party project manager is there to make sure that the project goes smooth and the client gets exactly what he pays for and what is in the plan. Not to mention the situations where something goes wrong or simply an unforeseen issue arises. Then the builder will suggest something and the client with no construction experience will have to make a decision based on what? I also feel that this project is a bit too big (just judging from the glimpses we saw) to just give it a friendly builder plus the client probably doesn't have one, hence his question.
Also, the architect in the story you mentioned is an idiot. I also know exactly what I want from a builder (yes, I am an architect too) but I am very happy to listen to experienced builders and I learn something new from them in every project. Architects are not your enemy - not more than your clients are. :) (ps. sorry for the grammar and typo mistakes, non-native speaker here)
I didn't mean to be rude, should have phrased the first sentence differently...
I always use an architect and carry out the works from their drawn up plans,as the builder I would not have anybody but me managing the project as I live and breathe the projects that I bring in as does any good builder. I don't think that we have the relevant information to speak as to the architect in this situation. I largely agree with you. I've built a fantastic working relationship with two architects whom I have had millions of pounds worth of extension and new build work from over the past fifteen years. There are however plenty of unscrupulous so called builders put there though who give the rest of us a bad name.
Contrary to popular belief though the larger majority of builders are good and are not cowboys,sadly some are though and therein lies the problem!.
In my experience architects make for really bad project managers, often because they are never there. That before we get to the plans the number of 5 leg dogs I have asked to build.
Surely that boiler is mis plumbed. Never heard anything like that