WHICH OVERLAND TRUCK?. The Overland Workshop. Andrew St Pierre White
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- Overland Vehicle Choice. The Overland Workshop part-13
Andrew St Pierre White and Paul Marsh talk about vehicle choices for overlanders. From Land Rovers, Land Cruisers and Jeeps, which one is best for long distance overland exploration and adventure? The choice is being slowly reduced as manufacturers seem to think this is not an important segment. And maybe it's not. But for us, its vital. As a result the choice is becoming more and more limited. Paul and Andrew discuss why that is, and what the best way to find the vehicle that best suites our needs.
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food for thought - at the end of the day this question can only be answered by the individual
the questions raised by your friend are very important.
costs, reliability, comfort, security, maintenance, uses of, environments used etc etc.
can you do a video on draw systems, im after 2 x 1000mm deep ones for my landcruiser and im having a nightmare trying to find some.
thanks for sharing your thoughts and take care
Both of y'all are just a wealth of knowledge!
As usual, brilliant programme!! Really enjoy the topics and the chats... I would guess, as long as the vehicle was designed and developed in Japan, it will stand the test of Africa, overlanding or weekend trails.....
Excellent discussion. I certainly fit into the weekend 4x4 group.
My dream trip is to Western Australia and go overlanding.
Thank you for this thought provoking topic.
I don't feel you guys discussed much at all about vehicle selection in this video. Good points on how to start picking a vehicle by figuring out your basic needs, but the conversations never progressed from there. There were no brand comparisons or pros and cons of different types of vehicles.
+UndergroundTrev That's because brand comparisons are not really important. If we talked about brands, then brand loyalists would see things differently. We have our own brand preferences and did not want this to get in the way of sound advice. If you had to ask me what overland truck to buy, I have one simple, easy answer. But that's for me. My needs are not everyone's needs.
His answer to "which truck" is parked in the background during the whole video :)
Diesel bj40 landcruiser, 1983 and under, unstoppable, rather under powered though ,make it a soft top and it's like having an extra 20hp! perfect medium range monsters!
Hi I'm new to the channel, the reason for me finding you channel is because in January I am moving to the Falkland islands. I have been informed that some of the roads are little more than dirt tracks and its not surprising to go off road. Now this video interested me greatly, I'm new to 4x4s as I currently live in the UK (watching you take a Disco off road properly amazing to see) I haven't had the need to go off road.
Near to everyone has a 4x4 over there, and I will need to get something to get about. However this will open up lots of opportunities to travel up the spin of south America ( which is something I have always wanted to do). So I want to know a couple of recommendations for 4x4s, something reliable, as parts can be difficult over there, but comfort is a big thing for me, and from what you said about the defender and how you can feel squashed, which would of been a first choice. but I'm still after you opinion on what I should look for?
If you are going to the Falklands you have little choice because the last I heard the island poulation was out numbered by defender/series land rover 5/1 so I'm not sure if you have any choice outside of that. maybe you will be able to get somthing else shipped but it will possibly take a few months the same as any pets you are taking to arrive as it will have to go via a resupply ship which only goes down a a few times in a year. so really your options are limited to anything you can buy in the UK and I'm not totally sure on this one but the supply ship is seconded to the mod so you may have to get the army approval for what you are taking as they will have space concerns etc for fitting in thier supplys.
In south America anything from Europe or England is scarce and expensive. So you better pick a vehicle with more easily and affordable spare parts like Nissan or Toyota. Don't show of your english pride buying a Land Rover, rather be smart and get a Patrol or a Land Cruiser
If the Argies try it on again then you're gunna need a Toyota.
Trust me, ok ?
andrew excellent video and info.... i can relate with what you both said cus i also do some overlanding as much as i can and my next trip is from SA to Kenya or Uganda
love your videos
Great video--- Mr White, I have learned an enormous amount from your video--- you are the Elvis Presley of 4x4 knowledge---- please let me know Paul March video channel--- thank you
Andrew, i know you are an overlanding guy.. but you surely must come up with a Video on an "offroad" vehicle selection please..!! majority of the sedentary population who are into 4x4 are "weekend warriors.." And if you could list at least a few of your personal selections, that will be fantastic.. from your biggest fan in Saudi Arabia.
I think that the biggest question is where are you overlanding. Like will the same setup handle a intercontinental run from the the southern tip of South America up through the jungles across Mexico and North America into Canada all the way to Alaska, and and still handle the harsh desert with the deep sand dunes? To me the engine choice is simple, it would have to be a diesel. Because of the fact that they generally last longer than gas engines, produce more torque, better fuel economy and not to mention easier to get fuel. From there it's all about the equipment you will need to survive. As far brands goes ie : Toyota, Range Rover, Nissan, Ford........so forth and so on that becomes a personal choice, as everyone has their own personal likes and dislikes.
answered a lot of my questions
awsome as usual !
Have you ever thought about doing a video about how good or bad a Humvee not Hummer would be for what you use it for. Think it would be good as you did a comparison between the defender and jeep.
Somehow I doubt I would get a stamp of approval on my vehicle. I'm a but more to the "off road" side of the spectrum but still want overlanding capability. I do have lots of heavy armor bolted on, but I also have pretty significant scrapes on almost every piece of that armor.
I certainly agree on having as few farkles as possible, I just wish my Nissan could be had with a mechanical t-case linkage.
We, Margrit and Russ with Nikela, love our Land Rover! We live in it the better part of the year traveling in Africa looking for people doing good for wildlife. It's an old 2001 Defender with a roof top tent.... okay, and a bit more of course.
Sorry...:(
Anything reliable & rugged, with minimum electronics (computers) and a ton of room will do!! Landrover Forward Control anyone?
+Bampoloki Nthusang Interesting thought. Have you driven a LR FC? Uncomfortable isn't the word. Unreliable but easy to work on. Underpowered in the extreme - can't pull the skin off a rice pudding. The vehicle is very top-heavy and likes to fall over. All that but with plenty of space.
😁😃.its a rubbish truck but its an old LR!! There are loads of them in Maun & even though it started off as joke, I really want one now. They dirt cheap too so maybe a 1HZ transplant will save it, project car really.
+Bampoloki Nthusang wow, I'm not sure what a LR FC is but it must be really underpowered if putting a 1hz in it would help improve things haha :)
+Mint Gecko Yes. They are THAT underpowered!
What part of ''reliable'' you did not understand since you suggested using a LR FC to overland?
The FJ Cruiser maybe more suitable for off-roading. The Land Cruiser is great for overlanding.
Best Overland and Off-Road 4x4: G-Class. Look at Gunther Holthorf and his G-class. Nuff said;-)
exactly!
Good point. That car never broke down.
Otto!!!
I'm bewildered by the fear of electronics. One cannot compare the durability of automotive electronics, and/or reliability, to the common electronics of everyday life. They are designed for very different environments and use. I have a cellular telephone that is rated to Military Spec Standard 810G. I also have one of the world's most popular computer tablets. The phone, I can throw it against a rock bouncing into a puddle then pick it up and make a phone call. The tablet, I don't think so. My aquarium electronics are exposed to or submersed in salt water, try that with your TV remote. As a mechanic I feared the introduction of electronic ignitions and electronic fuel injection. Yet the have proven to be much more reliable and durable than the mechanical versions.
I think the point is serviceability in the field. Todays trucks often require specialized knowledge and equipment at a dealership to work on and fix. The shade tree mechanic is being phased out by modern vehicles. Compare a 4Runner from the 90's vs. one from today, and figure on which is easier for an average backyard mechanic to service at home or on the trail.
Also is the long range thing. That 92 4Runner is likely getting old, but is easy enough to refurbish or restore to it's former glory. The new on, in 10-20 years time, will be throw away, because all that complex electronics will not be fixable or at least impossibly expensive to restore. And it will be so out of date it's likely dealers will have long declared it obsolete and parts and software won't be available.
Sure drive one off the new car lot, it's fantastic! But the other factors I mentioned are the real concern for overlanders and offroaders.
Have you driven a vehicle thousands of miles through Africa? That may be the missing link.
I've been thinking about this as it relates to me as an aspiring North American over lander. I submit a kited out ford f250 as an option. Opinions are welcome
+grey man I'm also an aspiring overlander, but from Australia...the larger pickups like the F250 aren't all that common here, which would make parts quite difficult to get if it broke down (not an issue for you I imagine), but they tick all the other boxes...
I wish we had the kinds of choices countries had/have. That being said, in the US, we have a lot more high quality road and getting to a remote place is getting harder and harder so its not quite the same kettle of fish. However, its getting harder and harder to find in the marketplace a decent rig, I did a survey of 17 and only 10 or so are actually truly suitable and of those many are very expensive and complicated.
An old school pick up works just fine. I was overlanding in high school in a pick up, and I had no idea "overlanding" even existed because I was simply following my heart to travel and see nature. I don't believe in a perfect way (of doing anything), but there is always some way.
+Patrick Rich what we do have int he US that others dont have is an extensive pickup market and hell, even older jeeps are not very common in other parts of the world
+Patrick Rich what we do have int he US that others dont have is an extensive pickup market and hell, even older jeeps are not very common in other parts of the world
My previous comment is gone, so here it is again: what would you choose, a V8 engine or a 1HZ, if you could buy either one ?
Mircea Parvulescu 1hz offcourse, since this engine could repairable by old mechanic fix old diesel truck
Would you recommend the V8, or the 1HZ for a touring and off-road vehicle ?
I know you're getting the V8, but is it just because you can't get the 1HZ in Australia, or do you feel the extra power is worth more than having a non-electronics engine ?
do a review of the new lada niva! it cheap, simple more reliable that it past models and looks cool.
Here is the review - "you get what you pay for".
Curious Q- How many established 4WD makers actually offer a Custom shop/build service ?
+colintraveller Artic Trucks does. Google it. :)
Hi, great video ! Unfortunately there are no Toyotas or Nissans for reasonable price in my country, but lot of Mitsubishi Pajeros , how about that?
zaso1994 avoid 4m40 2.8 liter, they seems more problem, gas v6 pajero is reliable but thirsty
basic
diesel 4, 6 or 8
How much weight am I going to install internal and external on the vehicle
Am i going to tow and what is the towing weight
How much fuel should I need to carry on the chassis
how many tyres do I need
what type of tyre pump should I buy
chassis type:
SWB 4x4
LWB 4x4
EWB (extended wheel base) 6x4, 6x6 or 8x8
how much off roading do I intend to
dpf or not to dpf taking locations you intend to travel in (places prone to scrub/wild fires dpf may require removal if treated as a fire hazard..)
will on road safety precautions benefit off-road or will they hinder the vehicles moving capacity
how many batteries do I need and where should I place them, should I consider a large battery box to house the house and starers in and them in all 1 locations..
vehicles
Pajero
fuso
cruiser
patrol
land rover
pros and cons...
Discovery 2 TD5 - Solid axles, rugged diesel, just enough comfort to make it bearable.
Very sensitive electronic fuel system is a Td5's biggest downfall. A tdi disco however is on a whole different level
Paul mentions the hunters use Land Cruisers, and the game people use Land Rovers. There are working people that use vehicles for a variety of purposes. For another example, Medicine sans Frontiers (Doctors without Borders) uses Land Cruisers. People in mining, geology, forestry, oil and gas, and other natural resources management have their preferences. All of them would likely think it foolish to take a suggestion from someone on the Internet to use their choice of pet vehicle instead of what they know works for their own purposes.
Andrew and Paul quite evidently know what works for overlanding. From what I hear, it seems reasonable that a wide variety of vehicles will work just fine for what most people are wanting to accomplish. I don't see the choice as very limited at all. Does it really matter if its a Land Cruiser, a Defender, a double-cab, a bakkie, an SUV, a Wrangler, a Sportsmobile, or whatever? The capacity of the vehicle for people and cargo has to match one's intentions for what they want to do, but a variety of vehicles in good condition will do just fine because the quality, the dependability, the capability of later model vehicles is simply far greater than what was available when people were doing things that were hard for their vehicles, like crossing deserts in a Series II, or circumnavigating the globe in a 2CV.
Given that excess of capability, people resort to inventing artificial challenges for their vehicles such as overcoming particularly difficult obstacles that nobody actually needs to overcome in order to get anywhere in particular, because most of them don't have the opportunity to actually do anything genuinely difficult, which is fine because the difficulty of the doing was never the thing that gave the endeavor merit. It was for a long time simply the thing that stood in the way of everyone doing it. Now that there's little standing in their way, they're bored with it. They'd rather attempt some stunt or just be entertained than to have their attention distracted by an interesting bird.
I don't think there's any good reason to be averse to "electronics." For example, the "electronic" TD5 has proven to be a far more dependable engine than the older 300TDI, or any other Land Rover diesel. I do think it makes sense to have some aversion to complexity. More than one person has been stuck because the level sensors on their Discovery's electronically controlled suspension failed. It seems much less likely that a simple spring would have broken. The same applies to motor-controlled windows and sun-roofs. Even early Discos have problems with the window and sunroof ECU's that can leave the windows stuck open or shut. Sometimes they can be fixed by simply resoldering a pc-board. The fixes are well-documented on the Internet, but that's not the type of research people go overland for. Still, we're talking about Land Rovers that are ten or twenty years old or more. The only sensible aversion to overlanding in a new one would be the depreciation that would result to such a costly vehicle.
So while simplicity has its merit, we live in an age when we depend on sophisticated things all the time. It may be great that our window rolls down, but if our electronic cameras and computers aren't working, the whole expedition may be a scratch because we can't accomplish what we set out to do. Who even carries a mechanical film camera as a backup in case their digital ones fail?
International red cross, United Nations, Helvetas, GTZ and JICA uses Toyota Land Cruiser since years ago. The fact is THEY ARE RELIABLE. Besides the TLC the other options are equally worldwide reliable : Nissan Patrol and MB G series.
Hi Andrew I've dropped you a private message also but thought I'd ask on here since it's relevant to a video. What do you think to a defender 90 300tdi as an overland vehicle? yes they are a bit down on space, but they are fairly light for a landrover unladen (1700kg) and share a similar drivetrain to the 110 (bar the Sailsbury rear axle) so should handle a deccent load fairly well with a medium/heavy duty suspension. just thought I'd see what your opinion would be on the 90?
Sorry mate. Just not possible to read all the messages I receive and questions I'm asked. That's what Patreon is for.
@@4xoverland okay no worries, and that's fair enough, keep up with the awesome adventures, very keen follower of your channel and had plenty of inspiration from them 👌
Mazda B2000 with load in the trunk can take you anywhere
On the road.
Toyota Land Cruiser 200 series Sahara stock = anywhere and everywhere no matter where.
+Landcruiser is bae if you can afford a 200 series might as well fly to your destination
which overland truck? --- OTTO!
Here in America, we are very limited in choices for overland vehicles with minimal electronics.
+Retired AF CE It's the same across the world...seems one of the few newer options with minimal electronics is the 70 series LandCruiser, but only in markets where you can still get it with the 4.2L diesel...
+Andrew Riles the 70 series is propably the only one you can still get brand new without "any" electronics (at least with the 1hz engine. the 4.5 also has a electronic engine control like any other current diesel.) and which you can fix with your leatherman and a hammer. the defender was also such a vehicle altough it has a modern common rail diesel engine but that's about it with electronics in the defender. maybe the lada niva is also almost free of complex electronics but that's not so much useful for overland Expedition. :)
Lukas Rovina not in America unfortunately.
Retired AF CE that's a bit bad but you propaply can get a surplus humvee or a reo m35.or a '80s/'90s diesel pick up truck in good condition and without electronics in the US these trucks are maybe more available than in europe where we can get the 70 series but also here in switzerland the 70 series is not offered by official toyota dealers we have to search someone who imports it. Hope we can still get it for a long time. the EU is always making new fucking rules which kills the best cars such as last friday the last land rover defender left the production line. :(
Lukas Rovina I know what you mean. I lived in Deutschland for 5 years. I loved it there!
The g pure would be great
I agree with 99% of the topics discussed but Paul Marsh - how often do electrics in vehicles really fail? So we need to buy 1990's vehicles with no turbos & no electronics! Really? Vehicles in Australia with these options have covered hundreds of thousands of km's without issue and I'm sure Sth Africa is similar.
+SMMKJD Agree it's a little alarmist and 10-15 years ago it would have been the defacto choice as electronics were so unproven. These days, it's less of an issue, but it's still a risk as if something does go wrong, it's harder to diagnose without the proper (and expensive) tools. If you know your way around an electronically controlled engine then I don't see it being an issue.
+SMMKJD If my experience with tractors is anything to go off, then the electrics/electronics are the least reliable component on them.....the newest tractor I have driven the controls are all electronic, and there seems to be very little we can do to work around the various electronic issues we have had with it (without having access to a proper diagnostics computer that is)....the older tractors there is nearly always a work around....
any thoughts on the Nissan Xterra? I'm in the market to buy a brand new one, but also wondering if a manual transmission is favorable over an automatic transmission for general four wheeling fun?
+Robert Smama Automatic makes it easier to make slow manouvres without burning the clutch to oblivion. Torque converter can slip all it wants with no damage :)
Thanks man. I have always had automatics, so wasn't sure if a switch to manual would be good or not.
Mechanic transmission is the way to go. you can replace stock clutch with ceramic racing grade clutch and no problem with burning it as other idiot said.
You are wrong. Manual is the right choice. You have to be a noobie driver and very stupid to burn your clutch overlanding....but if you are you can install ceramic racing grade clutch which will forgive your driving incompetence...to oblivion.
enterBJ40 I'd agree if we were discussing overlanding in general. But he asked for advice on general off road fun. Sometimes 1st Low still isnt slow enough to make smooth progress over rough terrain. Being able to just press and release the brake is a great advantage.
Petrol vs diesel engines?
For overlanding definitely Diesel. They're more reliable, have lower fuel consumption and more torque than a petrol engine. And in some regions (eg Australian outback) you can only get Diesel fuel.
+mrestorff not everywhere. in Russia it is better to use petrol due to bad diesel quality and sometimes diesel freeze in the tank.
+mrestorff not everywhere. in Russia it is better to use petrol due to bad diesel quality and sometimes diesel freeze in the tank.
+александр гусев Russians need to learn how to 4x4 .. Not just rampage through it like mini hitlers and hope for the best.
mrestorff doesnt agree, current diesel CRDi far complicated when goes wrong than Gasoline EFI
even conventional diesel when injection pump goes wrong, is much difficult to repair than carbie or simple n robust 90's efi toyota
I never understand why people opt for Landrovers honestly, apart from this "cult like belief" they have with the landrovers, I mean the Toyota has everything working for it,
1) It has front and rear diff locks, defender only has a central diff + some traction control
2) landcruiser has a better engine, with better compression rate than the defender
3) The landcruiser is much more comfortable off and on road
4) The land cruiser is much more reliable
5) The load section "boot/Trunk" of the landcruiser opens much wider
The only thing that the defender beats the cruiser is just, its bigger trunk space apart and from that...I can't think of anything else :p
+TheJoker 254 Only in South Africa do Land Cruisers come with axle lockers. They are not standard in any other country. Most just have a rear LSD and that's all. Better engine? For what? Economy. I don't think so. Reliability? Sure. Compression braking. Yes. Some Land Cruisers are most definitely not more comfortable, especially the pickups. The standard springing is truly terrible. These are just my thoughts having owned both.
+4xOverland Now that's odd. My Land Cruiser and most of the models i've sat in did have rear and central lockers. Standard. And I am quite far away from South Africa. I think your source of information might be flawed.
+Mp57navy I could be wrong. My point is, they are not standard in all markets. For example , in Australia, only the GXL versions of the 70 series have them. Those sold through NGOs, don't have any lockers. I'd be interested to know where you purchased yours.
+4xOverland here in middle east we get land cruisers with axle lockers too
+4xOverland What are your thoughts on Nissan Patrol?
Old vehicles break down and you fix them, new vehicles don't break down but if they do...
😔🔫
Well sure, but if you're always assuming the worst at all times, you're going to miss out on actually living life.
I mean, "Planes are really safe these days, they barely ever crash. But if they do..." is just not a way to live your life. You could barely do anything if that was your mentality. A lot of things can go wrong in life.. Every single day you *could* die in all kinds of different ways but if you assume that you actually will, you need mental help. lol
If you take care of your care, upgrade parts that need upgrading, don't overload or otherwise mistreat it etc. chances are you'll be fine. Plenty of people are out there right now driving around the world in all kinds of vehicles. Now full size trucks, old LRs, G Wagons etc. Hell, you even have hundreds of people driving from the UK to Mongolia in old, standard 1 L (1000 cc) cars every single year during the Mongol Rally. You can find plenty of videos of that right here on RUclips. Most of those know fuck all about driving off road, they don't have 4x4, lockers, winches etc. and yet most of them have an awesome time. The cars are quite often utterly destroyed at the end but that's mostly because they're standard, underpowered/overloaded and the drivers have no clue what they're doing. They're just there to have fun, not to make the car last. :P
Unimog!!
Unimog!
Mercedes-AMG G63 6x6
Fuel consumption, gadgets, price, limited internal space....might be things you'd have to consider
Mercedes 6X6 = Big ,ugly ,thirsty ,heavy ,handling is like trying to turn a tank in a 90 degree angle .. The land cruiser 79 series troop carrier does what it is suppose to (off-road with ease and be tough enough to take infant hits and dips and still get you home) I doubt that little Mercedes barbie doll girls car could do it half as good.
I mean the land cruisers are made for Australia (rough tough harsh terrain) to conquer the rest of the world .. And they did so with ease.