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When Did Krillin Surpass Tien?
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2023
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In today's video, we break down something the community has never fully solved. When EXACTLY did Krillin Surpass Tien? Was it in the Namek Arc? Was it in the Android arc? Qaaman explains this anime and manga related discussion about Krillin and Tien today.
It just makes no sense for Krillin to be stronger than Tien. After all, Tien was shown to be stronger ever since he was introduced. The only time when Krillin may have been stronger is when Guru unlocked his power, and even then Tien may have surpassed Krillin with his training on King Kai's planet like he did in the anime. Plus, considering that Tien never stopped training, while Krillin at times gave up fighting, it just makes more sense for Tien to be stronger than Krillin.
Krillin is stronger than Tien lol
Krillin killed 3 Saibaman at once and nearly killed nappa if he didn't dodge the kienzan. Whilst Tiens ultimate didn't do shit to Nappa.
When he got his potential unlocked by guru he kept on getting stronger over time, he was able to fight on par with ginyu goku who had a power level of 23,000, and by the time he fought with Frieza he could have handled all ginyu force members minus ginyu.
He survived getting impaled by Frieza in his second form and managed to hold him off until gohan could get healed. All the anime only stuff on king kai's planet from Tien is not canon and can't be taken seriously.
Don't even get me started on db super, krillin pushed back super saiyan blue goku's kamehameha, whilst Tien got bodied by master Roshi.
@@user-qx4xl6li8sdende healed krillin without dende krillin would of been in the afterlife with tien
@@dwaynejpeterkin Krillin didn't instantly die, he survived long enough for Dende to get him out of the ocean and then heal him. If Tien can't even survive one tri beam against Nappa what makes you think he can survive one punch from second form Frieza lol Krillin was vastly more powerful than Tien at this point in the story.
@@user-qx4xl6li8sthat argument only works for saiyan and namek sagas. Buu sagaTien would absolutely body Krillin since he stopped training. And how is Krillin going to survive a 4 hour onslaught of tri beams like Semi Perfect Cell.
@@wegoku7274 Buu Saga tien wouldn't do shit to Krillin, if Tien uses tri beam multiple times he uses up all his energy and dies lol Krillin can spam kienzan against Tien and it wouldn't kill him or use significant portions of his energy. What is Tien's Chaitzo training gonna do, Krillin trains with Android 18.
Toriyama said that Krillin was the strongest human because he probably forgot about Tien in that moment. His thought process is "Goku is the main character and Krillin is his best friend so Krillin must be the strongest human."
the sad part about that is you're probably right.. toriyama's memory is cheeks smh
Facts
Bingo
Yeah. He's a horrible world builder and a pretty bad long term story writer. His strength is in art, character aesthetics, and immediate interactions.
Also tien is akin to a Chinese character
We should've gotten Mystic Tien
I don't think it's fair to say that Krillin didn't train during the Namek arc. He engaged in life or death battles while Tien was just sparring with Yamucha.
If Krillin had sayain zenkai during namek he would have been quite a threat,I think tien gained more out of his training with king kai.
I think when dende healed him from second form Frieza's onslaught he truly surpassed Tien.
It makes absolutely no sense for Krillin and Roshi to be stronger than Tien in Super, since Tien consistently trains to compete woth Goku and the other saiyans, especially when we have feats where Tien got involved woth both Cell and actually damaged Semi Perfect Cell with the neo tri beam, and his attempt to assist Gohan in the Buu saga. It makes no sense with the power scaling where both Roshi and Krillin became leagues stronger in Super, since neother of them are ever seen training. The only thing i could see is Krillin training with 18 making him stronger, but he kind of to a step back from fighting to become a family man. Tien got the short end of the stick especially in Super
Does it even make sense for Roshi to be stronger than Yamcha?
@@QaamansLand No not really, but Roshi has two things Yamcha doesn't, experience as a martial arts master, and hacks like the mafuba, and some other tricks he displayed in the tournament of power
tien: holds off semi perfect cell for minutes with neo tri beam
krillin: hits perfect cell with destructo disk, it dissolves around cells neck, perfect cell breaks every bone in krillins body with 1 minor hit
Toriyama: krillin is the strongest human 🥴
@@QaamansLandroshi ate the special plant to live forever before the tournament also he was able to conquer his dirty old man tendency. He said in the tournament he desire were on him burning inside him those 2 combined made roshi stronger
it makes for krillin to be stronger he trained with goku for like a year before the universal survival arc
I always thought this was weird because we know Krillin retired for a while and Tien never retired because he constantly wants to get stronger and improve himself also for a long time I thought Yamcha was usually stronger than Krillin until I saw power levels from the Saiyan Saga
Nah, it usually goes
Roshi
Yajirobe
Chiaotzu
Yamcha
Krillin
Tien
And as you can see, this is basically the order in which said characters started slacking off and sitting out on battles and training. Yet Super has randomly placed Krillin and Roshi on top just because. It's not that I'm not happy to see them be relevant anymore, but it needs to be written properly...
Yamcha is just more of a show boat then krillin But krillin is almost always stronger. He did better against Jackie chun for example, and while yamcha was killed by 1 siba man, krillin took out several with one attack.
@chrisblanc663 Yamcha just got caught off gaurd if Yamcha just actually took them seriously he would've blitz them all as well. pluse that Kamikaze doubles youd overall power level in terms of attack potency so Yamcha with a 1480 power level was gettting point blank engulfed in a blast of a 2400 power level Not even krillin or Tien would've survived that only piccolo would but he would take a bit of damage. Piccolo even said "No way to defend against it" Yamcha just got bad luck tbh
Sadly the short answer is that Toriyama doesn’t give a damn about Tien. Krillin on the other hand got the best friend boost. He even stole Tien’s technique(the solar flare) and got an upgraded version of it in the TOP arc while Tien got nothing but a punch to the gut from Gohan and embarrassingly surpassed(and beat down) by Roshi of all people. They find new ways to do this man dirty every single time🤦🏾♂️.
It would make no sense form Krillin to be stronger then Tien Shinhan especially by the Buu saga
Facts tien literally trained for 7 years when krillin became a family man like do u really think toriyama was serious when he said “krillin is the strongest earthling” like this guy be saying a bunch of crazy shit 🤨
@@albangarepresentARyes I do because Toryiama has become incompetent remember Roshi in the tournament of power I rest my case
@@albangarepresentAR hey Yamcha only said that to come down marron
@@Somealphamalepimpmanis that's a different Toriyama then it was bad in the 90's also Toriyama isn't the main writer in Super
@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD well they claimed he took a big part in making minus so nuff said
Tien is the perfect example of character that Toriyama forgot, he has cool techniques, training and experience but in the end Krilin and Roshi surpass him, we saw that Krilin either took a step back or stopped training at all until Super and we know how hard that hits when Gohan was told several times that his past self from 7 years ago could beat Dabura
To be fair he had 18 to train with
Tien even has the same storytelling potential like saiyans - alien heritage as a "reason" for immense power and freaky techniques. He may be an earthling, but is no full human.
18 being his sparring partner gave him some edge but tien is still more gifted and has more potential.
The Android Saga, Cell Saga, and Buu Saga all prove that Tien is the Most Powerful.
None of those proves anything, Tien got bodied and barely accomplished anything since the start of Z.
Krillin has 18 to train with and what u said proves nothing
Tien was able to stall cell and Buu but he still failed to do anything else.
@@justinarzola4584 stall cell he didn’t stall buu he just got buu with a cheap shot
@@justinarzola4584 What did Krillen do???
Toriyama: "Krillin is the strongest human"
Also Toriyama: Doesn't even remember his own canon.
He doesn’t even remember Piccolo is his favorite character.
Even in the Android arc it was implied that Tien was still stronger. Goku send Krillin away to give Yamcha a senzu bean, Tien fought the Androids while Krillin didn't, Piccolo chose Tien to help him find Cell while Krillin went to Dr. Gero's lab. In the anime Tien was also doing better against the Cell Jrs. Buu arc changed that, maybe because of 18, and even then Tien had better feats as Krillin got killed by Super Buu easily while Tien deflected and dodged a blast by Buutenks.
Maybe he just doesn't count tien as a human
Krillin trains with Android 18. Tien trains with Chiaotzu. Krillins training will be more effective.
also he trains with goku
Finally someone with a brain
But Krillin explicitly doesn't Train until the ToP.
Krillin would still be weaker, Tien was able to hold off 2nd form cell & could have one shot any of the androids except maybe #16.
The real reason is stated in “Japan hates Tien” by plague at gripes, everyone is DBS gets a Toriyama handjob except Tien.
Let's take the anime filler scenes of Tien and the others taking down the Ginyu Force with ease once they landed on King Kai's planet out of the equation.
Guru unlocking Krillin's hidden potential causing his overall power to exceed Tien's makes sense. Krillin's power growing from battling the Ginyu Force and Frieza also makes sense. Yes, I know we shouldn't take magazine power levels into account in situations like this. However, I do believe that Krillin was clocked somewhere over 10,000 when he and Gohan powered up to face Guldo. V-Jump magazine had him at 75,000 when he was battling Frieza. So, one could assume Guru unlocking Krillin's potential also helped him in terms of his overall power growth after difficult battles.
I think something to take into consideration is that Tien was on King Kai's Planet FOR A LONG TIME! After the battle with Frieza, wasn't it several months if not close to a year or so before Tien was wished back with the Namekian Dragon Balls? Remember that King Kai told Goku that training on his planet for less than 100 days was the equivalent to 1000 years or so on earth. Tien was there training for a lot longer than Goku in the Saiyan arc. On top of that, you have Tien training in 10x earth's gravity!
I would be willing to bet that a post-King Kai trained Tien would rival if not surpass a potential unlocked Krillin. Tien probably got the advantage due to training in death as opposed to Krillin after getting killed by Frieza.
Moving into the Android/Cell arcs, I think Tien was above Krillin. The only other time in Z that I could see Krillin POSSIBLY exceeding Tien's power would be during the World Tournament arc before the Buu nonsense took place. In the weeks leading up to the tournament, Krillin was being trained by his wife #18 because she wanted them to win the prize money! We've seen in this series that a person being trained by someone MUCH stronger than them helps to dramatically increase their power. We saw this with Piccolo during the Android arc after 3 years of training with a Goku who was much stronger than he was with or without Super Saiyan.
Despite training for those 7 years after Cell while Krillin slacked off by giving up martial arts like Yamcha, Tien didn't have a sparring partner on the level of #18. Chiatozu is nowhere near that powerful! So, you could possibly argue that if Krillin trained for a good amount of time prior to tournament with his wife then he might've passed Tien again.
Overall, my money is by the end of Z the strongest between the two would be Tien!
It makes sense that Krillin ist the strongest humans but just in the manga. Many people think that the humans are as strong as freezer later in the series after the three years training for the androids but that is wrong.
Krillin is the only one that got his complete potential unlocked that means he is done. That means his base power will never go up again sure if he is learning the kaioken he would get stronger but that is another story.
The other three humans didn`t get trained by king kai. They trained themself in 10 times gravity. So to put it in numbers.
After Namek and all are revived again:
Krillin (potential unlocked) 10k power. While the others may got a bit stronger but in the whole time till end of buu they never surpass this 10k power. Because they are human nothing more they can't cheat their way up like the saiyans and piccolo power went up because he fused two times.
After freezer powerlevels had no meaning anymore but none of them does anything anymore. Yes Tenshinhan stopped Cell second form but that was not because of his power but the Kikoho attack that drains life force. And for the record nobody in dragonball got much stronger after that just because of training. Even Goku on his way to namek just got stronger because he abused the zenkai boost over and over.
We need to accept that those four are just humans their potential is way lower than the others. Muten-Roshi is over 300 years old and i bet he trained at least 100 years his base power was at 192 training does very little in this series.
Wild that you think Krillin is capped that Gohan is capped (twice) that Goku (ultra divine in DB) and Vegeta (Bibidi's potential unlocking) are both capped... Just wild... Potential unlocking is a limit breaking function at least that's how the story portrays it every single time anything that unlocks potential has happened.
Krillin does have 18 as a training partner tho
I think Toriyama just said “Krillin is the strongest human” to spite Toyotaru a bit since he doesn’t like Krillin. Probably not but it could be. ;)
That and Tien can be considered a mutant since he is a decedant of the third eyed clan people who are aliens
That's just head canon 😂
I can see Krillin in Super being around Frieza Saga Piccolo level after fusing with Nail and Tien being around 3rd form Freiza
Oh and yamcha maybe 2 form Freiza level of 1 million
lmao😂😂
The best argument in Tien's favor is simply the fact that we see the results of him training with king Kai. The guy could barely pull off one tri-beam without nearly killing himself. But Right before he blasts cell he specifically mentions his training at king Kai in the manga, before firing tri-beams out like a submachine gun.
While super and and GT aren't exactly canon to me, they both hint that power boosts aren't permanent and need the user to stay in "shape" to keep the benefits.(Gohan) so you could argue Krillin would have lost the power boost after the time skip into the buu arc.
Think about this, how often does Vegeta surpass Goku, despite him training more and more intensely. Tien may not be seeing any significant gains, especially training alone or with someone significantly weaker than himself versus Krillin who, when he does train or spar, it's with 18.
I’d love a manga special of Krillin after he died on Namek.
A different look out and some journeys he went on there
I have wondered if Krillin was stronger during the tournament of Power because he trained with characters like 18, Gohan, and Goku who are way stronger than Chaiotzu who I'm assuming was Tiens training partner
I really like how your videos end, the lack of and outro actually feels super nice
Serious or sarcastic?
I think Krillin having his potential unlocked and set in, by the time they were fighting Frieza Vegeta noted both Gohan and Krillin's power had continued to rise, some guides say he capped out at about 75,000 by the time he was facing Frieza. Which if so would be enough to best all the Ginyu Force save for Ginyu himself.
But later on I'd say Tien retakes the Number one Earthling, given the much dedicated mindset Tien has and a ready sparring Partner in Chiaoutzu(For whatever that's worth). Tien could make consistent gains. While Krillin is sort of funny enough like Gohan, who had his power unlocked, but with other priorities and distractions and just not feeling the whole life of training thing, he's squandering his potential, where if Krillin trained on the level of Tien consistently then for all intents and purposes he should be stronger going forward
The bigger question is are we ever gonna see Krillin and Tien use fusion. By specifically using the potara earrings, go look up the Google images of Krillin and Tien fusion 🐲🐉👍.
This video might just bring Blackenfist out of hibernation
I could agree to Krillin being stronger then Tien during his batte against 2nd from Frieza but that's the only time untill super just makes Krillin and master Roshi not only way stronger tien but, Tien basically becomes weakest active z fighter
I'm glad u made this video
When he had “special training” with Android 18
I think a lot of people think Tien is not human. He has 3 eyes. That's why people think Krillin is the strongest human. With Roshi's brute form though, and after his ToP buff from that weird situation involving Puar, I think Roshi is the strongest human.
It never made sense, yet no one really questions it because Krillin is probably the most popular human character. Toriyama likely only made Krillin the most powerful human because he is the main character's best friend and is a secondary main character.
Tenshinhan is the only rival character that can get surpassed by Goku's buddies and no one says anything. If Krillin surpassed Piccolo or Vegeta then people would start raising their torches and pitchforks more. Unless you count Gohan, but that was temporary when he surpassed everyone and him and Piccolo tend to fluctuate on who is stronger. Tenshinhan, a man who dedicated his life to martial arts, gets surpassed by Roshi, who has been useless as a fighter since the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai and Krillin, a martial artist who quit for a long time and is arguably less skilled/refined than Tenshinhan.
I guess getting getitng your potential unlocked by an alien is more effective than being trained by a God. Perhaps Tenshinhan could use a potential unlock as well, I remember reading a Toriyama fan Q&A from a long time ago and someone asked about Ten's third eye. Toriyama said he is just a made that opened the third eye that we supposedly all have, but being under the mentorship of Tsuru'sennin twisted Ten so that he is no longer able to use the full power of his eye.
I imagine that if Shenron did the same thing for Tenshinhan that he did for Piccolo, Tenshinhan would be in the Top 5 most powerful in the universe for sure.
Krillin has a woman with unlimited stamina and I bet that's where all his training comes from.
I may have a bias for Krilldog, but you didn't mention the fact that Tien got ragdolled by base Gohan in the fight before ToP. While Krillin made Goku turn super saiyan. The holding back point isn't really working when someone is transforming to continue the fight
goku turned blue to see how krillin would react fighting an enemy that was orders upon orders of magnitude stronger than him. also krillin could not feel the power difference, since pretty much nobody can sense god ki, so krillin didn't know how much goku was holding back.
@@hellboy19991 I was talking about when he turned super saiyan, not ss blue
That was Ultimate Gohan and was on par with Blue Goku.
@@DynastyZwarrior90 I just rewatched it, and Tien got two shotted by base Gohan, because he didn't transform untill Goku turned ss 2. And he two shotted Tien before Goku turned ss 2
I don't think Goku ssj against krillin in that fight was proof he was at that level,Goku probably wanted to see how krillin would do against that power to see how much he had improved.
While Tien was able to hurt Cell a little bit,Krillin is the only full human to actually kill Cell🤗🤗🧡
SAIYAN SAGA: TIEN
Though they are both fairly close in power the Daizenshuu does say Tien had a slightly higher power-level when they fought Nappa than Krillin. However this can be up for speculation because all the Z-fighters were supressing their true power-levels, so their full power is unknown. What is known are their feats during battle against Nappa. Tien is the only fighter to engage Nappa, for a substantial period of time, alone, and with one hand. Though he is getting beaten, he is still fighting to the point Nappa says he's a "tough bastard". Krillin however mostly fights Nappa in a duo with Piccolo, therefore appearing stronger than what he actually is. Tien is brutalized far more than Krillin and takes more damage, yet stays in the fight until he kills himself. Krillin takes some damage but is later knocked out by the shockwave of Nappa's blast, which is not as impressive as Tien durability.
Both Tien & Krillin nearly kill Nappa in their own ways. Krillin's attempt is impressive but it mostly plays on Nappa's stupidity and lack of knowledge of the Destructo-Disc, once Nappa realised how it worked, it posed no threat to him and was easily avoidable. Tien however nearly kills Nappa with raw power, Nappa is able to avoid it but does suggest afterward that it would've killed him had he not seen it coming, and even Vegeta is in shock of how much power Tien had. So even though Krillin's attempt was good, it was more him trying to outwit Nappa, while Tien was just going to annihilate him with sheer power, which I find more impressive.
NAMEK/FRIEZA SAGA: KRILLIN:
Once Krillin & Gohan get their potential unlocked on Namek, its suggested their power-level is about the same as Vegeta's was in the Saiyan Saga when he was on Earth (give or take) So if that is in anyway accurate that puts Krillin far above Tien at that time. Unless you count filler which in that case Tien is far stronger than Krilliin because he fights two members of the Ginyu-Force simultaneously and defeats them both on King Kai's planet, but in actual canon Krillin is stronger.
ANDROID/CELL SAGA: TIEN
After the three year preparation for the Androids it's unknown who's stronger, but I believe the story indicates Tien is stronger. When Yamcha is punched through the chest by Android 20 the first three people on the scene are Goku, Piccolo, and Tien. They are also the three that fly off to fight the Androids in the desert, which could mean nothing, but to me suggests those are the three strongest amongst that group (bar Vegeta & Trunks of course)
But undoubtable the greatest feat Tien has is his performance against Semi-Perfect Cell. Krillin's punches didn't even make Semi-Perfect Cell flinch, he just stood there and smiled. So the fact Tien could forcible hold Cell down and smash him into the ground over and over like that is not only the best thing Tien has ever done, its one of the impressive moments in DBZ. So in that moment Tien is far above Krillin.
BUU SAGA: TIEN
Seven years after Cell, Krillin has retired, its unknown if he's stronger or weaker than he was in the Cell saga, most likely Krillin has regressed rather than increased in strength. Tien however has gone into isolation, during that time, to do nothing but train. So its safe to assume Tien has increased in power, while krillin has probably decreased. Krillin is able to charge Super-Buu and stall for about 5 seconds, which is ultimately futile, but it is something. Tien on the other hand is able to deflect Buu-Tanks' blast saving Gohan, which is actually very impressive considering Buu-Tanks is stronger than both Ultimate Gohan & SSj3 Goku. So I believe Tien is stronger during this period.
All in all I believe Tien is stronger than Krillin, despite popular opinion. In pure martial arts he was able to defeat Goku in a competition, and when it comes to power levels and feats 90% of the time his are better than krillins. Anything past DBZ I don't care about because DBS is trash.
If training hard made one the strongest, Vegeta would have stayed ahead of Goku in the Cell arc.
Not really Goku trained smarter n knew grade 2 was flawed
I think its a Toriyama thing, he forgot characters and even SSJ2 , so he doesnt remember Tien being that much stronger or just doesnt care
Tien never stops training and he is more serious about fighting.
I still think that tien was is stronger then krillon but I agree with the power boost that the grand elder gave him however, I do agree that it’s also possible that tien probably we did train his ass off in kaisamas planet and in the android threat, they did train and I also do you think that tiens technique try being would probably kill krillon since he pushed away sell a lot however, don’t get me wrong krillon’s disk d will probably kill 10 as well. And then, when we go to the boo saga, I think the krillon did not train his ass off because he became a family man tien probably trained as ass off, so I do think that krillon in DBZ would be android saga. I do think he was the strongest.
I think from the Namek Saga through the end of the Cell Saga, Krillin was stronger than Tien because of his potential unlock from Guru in combination with training. However, during the 7 years of peace after Cell, Krillin obviously slowed down on his training to be a family man, while Tien continued training then entire time. So by the time of the Buu Saga, I think Tien became the strongest human again.
Of course it's all irrelevant by the end of Z because Uub shows up and he has all the potential power of Kid Buu (not to mention if we use DBS, he has the God Ki of Grand Supreme Kai). At that point Uub is the strongest human.
You forget that Tien was forcing back Semi Perfect Cell, that feat clears any debate whether Tien is stronger than Krillin, Krillin was getting smoked by imperfect Cell Tien was able to push back his 2nd form
@@jamthacreator I give more credit to the Tri-Beam technique there. If you go back to Dragon Ball, Roshi says the Tri-Beam itself amplifies the user's power, but it comes at the risk of killing the user. I think it was more so the technique than Tien's base power. If Krillin knew the Tri-Beam he could have done the same thing in that situation.
@@jeskerjames3260 but krillin doesn't know tri beam so therefore he is not stronger. that's like saying well if krillin knew kaioken he could be stronger - he doesn't know kaioken so he is not stronger. "if" does not matter. what actually is, is what matters
@@animegematria But it's not Tien himself that is stronger, it's the Tri-Beam. That's like saying Goku is stronger than Kid Buu because the Spirit Bomb is his technique. The The Tri-Beam isn't like Kaioken where it's increasing Tien's battle power, it's the technique itself that is powerful.
If Krillin made a Spirit Bomb like Goku did against Buu, the bomb would have still killed Buu, but that wouldn't make Krillin stronger than Goku.
@@jeskerjames3260 Yes. The person with the stronger attack is stronger. This is not rocket science. Trying to act like that is not the case is very stupid ... very, very stupid.
Yes if Goku was able to make an attack that can kill kid buu then that makes Goku stronger than kid buu because the attack that came from Goku had to be more powerful than kid buu to destroy him. Kaioken is a technique itself and how is kaoioken increasing battle power any different from Tri-Beam increasing battle power? they literally mean the same thing. Your whole argument is stupid. Kaioken makes Goku's Kamehameha power double and even triple and yes that did literally make Goku stronger than Vegeta and he was able to win the beam struggle! Saying someone isn't stronger only their attack is stronger is the dumbest argument I have ever seen in any DBZ "who is stronger?" debate
I would definitely say that Guru boost kinda pushed Krillin to the front for a time but yeah Tein just trains much harder and after Cell Krillin hardly trains like I'm pretty sure he kinda became more of a family man during the 7yr gap and has a job and family keeping him occupied while Tein spends most his free time training idk how big the gap was in their power, lf not Cell Saga, the Buu saga should be where Tein caught up but he did have a good moment with semi Cell but that wasn't normal ki Tein was using either.
But personally I just find hard to believe the humans can be on pare with final form Namek Freiza, alot of fans seem to over hype their power like Namek Krillin would need a x1000 boost be be on par and I just find it hard to believe the humans can get that strong training by themselves without some godly/Devine master especially Krillin and Yamcha with how little they train, them hitting the 1 mill mark kinda almost seems little farfetched to me, idk if I'm just underestimating them but with how little some of them train or their method of training ans no bs alien benefits I kind find it hard to understand.
But if they end up getting some new form in Super, they will magically be caught up, i like the series but their power scaling/system is a mess and inconsistent.
To be fair Krillin did train with 18
Tien should be the only human to learn god Ki. Imagine Tien with god Ki doing the neo tri beam
I swear to god it feels like the fans forgot that scouters and power levels don't mean shit. Strength is far more ambiguous than any numbered value. Krillin damn near iced freeza with that destructo disc, and impressed him so much that he stole his move. Meanwhile, tien's tribeam literally kills the user and 2nd form cell tanked like 50 of them. I'm sure freeza would've tanked a fare number of those as well. I agree that tien should logically be the stronger one, but at the end of the day, krillin had a much better teacher and a much better brain. Stop acting like this is such a stretch. Krillin is way stronger than he's depicted.
If elder Kai enhanced krillin potential. Does he get "ultimate krillin" and "beast krillin"? 😅
Making sense for DB isn’t really relevant (because Lord knows you are right, it doesn’t make sense) but it’s straight up Word of God that Krillin is the strongest full human. That’s really all there is to it. There is very very very little Toriyama has ever definitively stated about power levels in DB, cause he doesn’t really care like the fans do, and yet has stated multiple times since 1994 in statements and interviews that unequivocally Krillin is the strongest human. I don’t know why, it’s not like Krillin would be less popular or get less screen time if he wasn’t, but AT days he is.
It's cap... The fans remember the characters development more than the creator 😂
Also krillin in super is definitely stronger than tien in the forest where he faced his fears he unlocked his potential even more
My personal headcanon is, that Toriyama explicitly stated Krillin the strongest HUMANA - but Tien is no human, he is part Triclops. So he is more like the saiyan hybrids just oart human and not considered in this question. Albeit, kind of a troll move of Toriyama. But in-character.
Toriyama didn't say Krillin was the strongest human he said "Krillin was the strongest EARTHLING" so that includes Tien who is obviously from Earth.
@@AMSPORTS567 my bad, thanks for correcting! I somehow messed this one up. So, the confusion remains. But at the end, I like them both. It's just, Yamcha is the only real human - Roshi is immortal Tien a triclops, Krillin a noseless breathing through his skin (kinda like amphibians..) and launch is her own case. So, Yamcha is pure human ... and gets ridiculed even by the show's creators. Sad.
Super manga really destroyed my boy Tien's reputation
Krillen was 12. Tien was an adult. Puberty tends to make u stronger. Being in ur 60s tends to make u weaker. Just because a 30 yr old can beat up a 12 yr old doesn't mean that he can do it 30 years later
Tien was stronger as an adult too even in early Z though.
Tien was stronger as an adult in Late Ball and early Z too...
I've never seen it as a matter of training or raw strength. Look at how Tien fights and the techniques he uses. He killed himself using the Tri Beam against Nappa, almost killed himself again the same way against Semi Perfect Cell, absolutely wrecked himself in the Budokai fighting Goku, the Evil Containment Wave against King Piccolo, etc. He's a reckless fighter who knows powerful moves that also endanger himself. Krillin relies way more on strategy and quick thinking instead of sheer force, knows when not to bite off more than he can chew, and has less risky techniques (Kamahameha, Destructo Disk) with fewer drawbacks. You can say Tien is stronger from the pov of power levels and scaling and so on, but Krillin is clearly the better fighter.
Him trying to kill perfect cell wasnt biting off more than he could chew? O.o
@@Rockymann27 It was an emotional response to seeing 18 get absorbed, not Krillin's normal approach to fighting. We see Tien make these kind do-or-die decisions over and over again throughout the series.
@@Rockymann27 That was not canon lol
@@user-qx4xl6li8s It appeared in the manga too, so it is.
@@Rockymann27 No he didn't hit perfect cell with the destructo disk in the manga only the anime
Toriyama just says whatever the fuck is on the top of his head I really hate the way he writes side characters.
Better yet though on the flip side, if Tien should be stronger doesn't this mean Chiaotzu should be as well since he's always training with him
I dont know this Chaozu but it sounds just like Raditz ...
I always thought that krillian was the strongest human because Tien is half three-eyed people race so hes not technically human were as krillian is
No. Tien never stopped training. Krillin stopped for a decade.
I saw it makes sense because the the way I see the potential unlock stuff is its both a in the moment buff and an over time one. Where they can train less and still get better results. That's also why I think Gohan got stronger than goku in the chamber.
Honestly he probably doesn't consider Tien human, I could have sworn he mentioned either in an interview or something that Tien is descendent from a race of tri clops that landed on earth.
Reason?
@@QaamansLand I was looking a bit into it and I think I found it but it seems it was never said by Toriyama, but apparently the 4th Daizenshuu (and I guess a couple of the DVD set booklets?) mentions Tien being descended from a race of aliens.
Sadly can't find a scan of that part so all I got is seeing others mention it and the DB wiki (yeah I know you gotta take anything from there with a grain of salt) so it could be some bs that just stuck around in the communities mind.
Oh and to be ultra specific I guess he's a descendent of three eyed people that were themselves descendent of aliens. So I guess he is considered a human at this point because he's so far removed?
In which case yeah Toriyama probably just fucked up and forgot about poor ole Tien when he made the statement that Krillin is the strongest human.
Now I did actually come across a tweet from Toshio Yoshitaka saying this but I mean he's only a writer and for super at that so I take that with a BIG bag of salt.
I’d assume Namek. That boost made him just a step ahead of Tien and probably never looked back.
Tien was strong enough to fight against Cell alone before the tournament & held his own 4 awhile!
Tien is a cool character but how he got completely shafted in Z is quite baffling.
...the humans getting a zenkai boost?during namek krilling MIGHT ve overtook tien(personally i think they re about evenly matched) but tien was DEFINITELLY stronger during android and there's no real reason for that to change in buu saga when krillin becomes a family man...personally i think it's just and oversight or a biased statement(lol) by toriyama,i dont think he's exactly an authority on db since the fans(powerscalers) seem to take dragonball way more seriously than him
Krillin is the strongest... He just shouldn't be lol. Based on Supers logic, Tien should be top tier. Dude never stopped training.
Wasn't aware that he did.
Krillin is stronger than Tien because he has sex with Android 18 who has infinite energy. To be able to keep up and satisfy her on a daily basis, no wonder Goku had to use SSBlue to fight him
Isn't he technically a Cyclops and not human? If so, that statement isn't wrong.
i will always dissagree with what toriyama said on krillin being stronger, everything in the story even in cannon with no filler it shows tien as being the strongest human
Tien is cool and all, but if you sleep on Krillin you might lose the tip of your tail, just saying.
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Krillin was gettin zenkais boost along with the sayians on namek toriyama said he forgot it was only for the sayians. Also vegeta said it too to ginyu force that the humans powers continue to grow every battle and krillin got stronger when dende healed him to stall frieza as goku said while healing and sensimg the battle. But facts tien always been training Non Stop just like piccolo💯⚡️
Source of Toriyama saying this…
@EWOODJ comic con japan expo 2005 and expo 2013. Also just search it on here he mentioned it acouple of times over the decades, many db channels on here mentions the same aswell including geek
@EWOODJ I was present for the expo in 2013 with acouple of school friends and graohic novel teacher on a weekend trip⚡️
@EWOODJ also vegeta mentioned it in anime to frieza and when he witness them fighting guildo aswell, also when krillin got healed by dende and cut friezas tail he came back stronger then even stated by goku sensing the battle in healing tank (original db english dub)
What I don't get is if they were stronger then the ginyu force why is Yamaha scared of vegeta
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Also if you count anime.
Krillin actually fought imperfect cell and.... put up... something of a fight.
But still got knocked out in like a handful of hits.
Tien on the other hand just kept stun locking semi perfect cell,
Then of coruse Krillin tried the destructo disc and that just outright.. failed, where at least 16's punch made him budge a slightly but still ended up fruitless. I dunno
Krillin is stronger than Tien lol
Krillin killed 3 Saibaman at once and nearly killed nappa if he didn't dodge the kienzan. Whilst Tiens ultimate didn't do shit to Nappa.
When he got his potential unlocked by guru he kept on getting stronger over time (it is not head canon it was stated by Vegeta and proven by his performance against Ginyu Goku and Frieza), he was able to fight on par with ginyu goku who had a power level of 23,000, and by the time he fought with Frieza he could have handled all ginyu force members minus ginyu.
He survived getting impaled by Frieza in his second form and managed to hold him off until gohan could get healed. All the anime only stuff on king kai's planet from Tien is not canon and can't be taken seriously. If you wanna take Anime bs seriously then Krillin survived fighting Kid Buu in otherworld there you go.
The overall narrative heavily implies that Krillin is the strongest of the dragon team just behind Piccolo. Keep in mind Krillin trains with Android 18 while Tien trains with Chaitzo lol
Don't even get me started on db super, krillin pushed back super saiyan blue goku's kamehameha, whilst Tien got bodied by master Roshi.
Wait huh? The ginyu fight never takes place in the manga so to me it was clear that Krillin became stronger than Tien when he got his potential unlocked. From there till the end of the buu arc they pretty much should have trained the same amount… maybe Krillin didn’t train in the 7 years until buu but we dont know
There are no humans with three eyes
I think that Tian just has dark powerful techniques, but Krillin is has higher power level. When Tian was holding Cell down, he was shaving his own life energy to do so, Krillin only uses his power reservoir, and can only exhaust himself, but Tian can kill himself in process of his attacks. Krillin surpassed Tian already in Nappa fight, his beams were weaker, but overall performance much better matched with Piccolo than Tian. So what I mean is, it is not the power level that makes Tian dangerous, it is the nature of his attacks. So.. I would say.. Krillin is the most powerful earthling, Tian is the most capable earthling what comes to attack.
Uuuh because Krillin kept training and didn't retreat to a life of a monk.
Toriyama clearly loves Krillin but doesnt like Tien.
He probably thinks that Krillin deserves it more since hes such a good fella so he wanked him some ridiculous powerboost to surpass Tien.
Of course thats bullshit logically but hey it eez wud it eez.
One frequent argument I've seen on forums is that at one point when Krillin's daughter was worried about him being gone, Yamcha said Krillin is the strongest human on the planet: As if 1) he'd actually know, and 2) he's consoling his friend's daughter, he likely would have said the same thing to to any child on the Dragon Team to make them stop worrying.
simple answer: he didn't
IF Toriyama says krillin is the strongest human then that is confirmation tien is not human
Toriyama specifically said "Krillin is the strongest EARTHLING" meaning he stronger than Tien who is an earthling, it is actually Yamcha who said Krillin is the strongest human.
@@user-qx4xl6li8s oh. well he is wrong tho
@@animegematria Toriyama the creator of db and dbz is wrong but you are right?
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Tien is a descendant of the Mitsumejin… which are an alien race…so Krillin is the strongest human.
this was not said anywhere he is said to be a triclops and they are said to be alliens only in a game wich is not canon
@@argy7526 so humans have three eyes? Cool.
@@RDMcFunky he is a mix of humans and "alliens" also krillin isnt a human either he doesnt have a nose
2:59 so then where does Krillin go then? Shouldn't he still see King Yemma regardless? If he does, surely he would be granted access to train under King Kai
Tien just does too much regular training. Without engaging in battle with others around or above his level he might be only gaining strength at a slower rate.
Easy answer… Tien isn’t human.
Short answer: Never. Peak Krillin was in Cell saga and he was certainly weaker than Tien who was able to stop semi-perfect Cell and could severely injured the androids with the Kikoho.
Tien Shinhan, in stronger then Krillin in Cell and Buu saga
No he isn't, Krillin is still stronger than him in those arcs, Krillin was stronger than Tien from Saiyan Saga training onwards, he was still most definitely stronger than him in the Buu Saga because he has been training with Android 18 while Tien was training with Chaitzo lmao
@@user-qx4xl6li8s dude you're this is the dumbest argument I've ever seen, Krillin wasn't stronger then Tien in these Saiyan, Krillin definitely wasn't stronger then tien in in the cell saga, and so your dumb ass is saying Krillin who retired then spared with 18 just for the tournament is stronger then Tien who was able to Blast away one of buutenks attacks
Krillin's training after the Android saga is being married to a woman far stronger than him and Tien combined and with infinite stamina.😂
No, no, that's Canon
Krillin was only stronger when he had his potential unlocked, and was so up through the Frieza fight. AFter that, Tien regained his position and kept it.
Super can kiss my ass. It was a total insult to Tien and clearly everybody involved in its production hated the man.
Krillin should get a transformation in my opinion
Maybe he could get mystic or the buff up form like Roshi
he does have his four arm technique that he used that one time against goku
Tien is only *mostly* human. He's a descendant of the 3-eyed race, not a *pure* human.
Tenshinhan isn't human though, he's a race of triclops, hence his third eye, meaning kuririn could very well be the strongest human and weaker than Tenshinhan
Tien never stopped training, yet he’s getting weaker?
What??????
unlocked potential
I would say it happened during dragon ball super in the original dragon ball tien was always the strongest but dbs took a different route with krillin and krillin rededicates himself and tien becomes a joke in dbs
During DBZ: Krillin is the strongest
Me: Nope
After Z ended before Super was even a thing: Krillin is the strongest
Me: Nope
During the Tournament of Power: Krillin is the strongest
Me: Probably... and it's bullshit
Tien’s so underrated smh
the ginyu filler on king kais planet makes zero sense from all sides. goku trained there for half a year to close the gap from way weaker than raditz to vegeta. the guys that died from nappa were only there for a few weeks until the ginyus died. they also did not learn any advanced techniques we can see. That is even ignoring the fact that the ginyus were let to kais planet in the first place...
the potential unlock from guru is the only thing setting krillin apart from tien.
I swear they said it didn't matter where you died you went to see King Yama Case in point Goku's wish to King Yama about boo being reborn wouldn't have come true they were fighting on the Kai's world
Yamcha piccolo and tien should be able to use kaioken
Tien is not completely human, he's a descendant of a race of aliens that landed on earth many years ago, hence the three eyes. So Krillin is the strongest character that is 100% human