It's always refreshing to see a streamer have an MTGA experience similar to the one I typically have. Always love the "I'm so frustrated I can't draw crap and my opponent is drawing straight gasoline" videos. So relatable.
CGB! You need to put 4 Lightning Helix in to end games that you can't close out with combat damage. That's what fixed my version and it works really well. And don't run too many villages, they don't put in the work. Also, you focus too much on value with this deck. Don't put everything on the prowess mouse - use it more often on Heartfire Hero instead and force them into a situation where they die if you hit them and they die if they block.
I'm honestly really tired of the 3-4 turn win standard. Hasn't WOTC explicitly said that modern, a much more powerful format, is meant to be at least a four turn format, and they determine bans so as to prevent turn three wins? How is it that standard decks are having turn three wins? How is wizards just being so negligent to the design of their card game? Why do they keep printing broken stuff?
Yeah, I often have games where I play tap land on 1, interaction on turn 3 and 4 and still somehow die. These prowess decks are so fast it feels like you have to have 1 mana interaction in order to not die going second
You want honest -- okay, let's admit that you're just not an aggro mage. You're a control mage. Not only do you play aggro like a control mage, you even build aggro decks like a control mage. But here's more honesty. We love you because you're a control mage! So if you want to just play control and mid-range from now on, we are okay with that!
I think the villages should be one of's at best in a deck like this. It needs to be able to cast instants and sorceries, and the land's abilities don't seem good enough to justify that many. I've been running 1 of each and 2 bivouacs instead.
@@snekku The solution is actually to just run WAY fewer spells. Like 4 monstrous rage and that’s it. Way less of a chance of getting blown out in a 2 for 1
at 29:00 I remember running into the same issue with my mice deck but in the end I did took out the Lupinflower but I kept 2 rockface for the +1 haste on it specifically for the Heartfire Hero. I like this little bastard a lot, many dirty tricks you can pull with him haha.
Monored aggro, fake rakdos aggro and gruul aggro are combining for almost 30% of the meta. With Selesnya Rabbits right behind them, it's hard to find any room for Mice.
I literally only just started playing MTG, Arena has been super useful to actually learn all the rules without accidentally cheating, I'm a boros player through and through, not sure why but I just can't play anything else, nothing else even feels fun. I have an enchantment / mouse deck right now, (I still have limited cards) but I can consistently put out creatures and use an enchantment to get 1+1 counters with every other enchantment I use and it just ramps so quick, I have petrify and other things for some control, it's great
Actually think I found a better shell for a mice creature deck, if you go more for a collected company style midrange she’ll with dewdrop cure, majority 2 drops mice and valley forerunner to sneak creatures into play at instant speed
I definitely don't think the white villages go in this deck. You've got enough card advantage between the might and the challenger, and not having good lands killed you.
I hate what Standard has slowly devolved into over the past couple years. 90% of the time, unless your opponent got insanely unlucky with their first few draws, go 2nd = lose on turn 3 or 4, or be so hopelessly behind on the board that it'd take both your opponent having dead draws and you having perfect situational draws consecutively to even threaten the possibility of a comeback. "But that's just Bo1 meta if you don't like it go to Bo3" is a terrible argument as that hasn't always been the case until a couple of years ago. Bo1 Standard is the most popular format but they're so addicted to printing money that they don't even care about banning cards to balance the powercreep that they keep spewing out with almost every new set.
In an aggro format like this, going first is the difference between a win and a loss a good amount of the time. Somehow my "go first" rate is nowhere near 50/50. It's probably closer to 90% going second and this is not an exaggeration. This happens almost daily
Confirmation bias at work. You average out to 50/50 long term. You remember the times you go second because it confirms your bias, but treat it "as it should be" when you go first. I used to get aggravated over going second at some point, so I started keeping count. Some days were 90% going second, some were 100% going first, some were in between. It all averages out. The issue with all these conspiracy theories about MTGA screwing you over is simple: every game someones goes first, someone goes second. There is no way to magically have more people going second than first.
I've been killing it with the Cruel claw reanimate and running g 4 Virtues of Persistence. It's the only way to get away from those dumb mono red death triggers. I've gone like 70% against them but they are so dumb and like 8 out of ten of the games
@@waffleyumboyr5342 ...and on their turn they untap. If the enemy is tapped out at the end of THEIR turn then sure, but it likely isn't worth spending 2 life most of the time if you're out of white.
Man, I seem to get kicked around all day when I use the bunny deck. I only win if I get a great starting draw and go first or if they opponent doesn't draw removal. It just seems like if they kill your first few creatures you're just never going to get through.
I wonder how much truth is what a store owner told me few days ago that Hasbro really, really tries to kill MTG. I hasvn't played mtg since Time Spiral so for very long time (currently SW:U) but your and Rarran videos brought me here :)
I am new to magic but it’s so stupid so far. Standard new player and I can’t do anything. I’m trying to play a black deck and I get a 1/1 flying bat and they get a 19/19 green creature I can’t do anything about. How am I supposed to stop that when cut down is only for weak creatures 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
@@EkkosUwU I need something with low mana cost or else I will be unable to play. I go against this deck quite frequently and they will just play it again the next turn.
@@JohnPaul-nb5iu I never said for 1 mana. That’s just the only creature I could play. They play a creature that adds counters to itself when something enters the field and if I don’t immediately have an answer turn 2-3 they boost it so high up it’s GG
If u Take a break, i Will completely understand and even sugest this tô you. Tank you ver much for this vídeo. It was clear that it was a sacrifice to make it, playing with something you hate
genius? you just search creature type mouse and its plain as day, i talked about almost this exact list weeks before release and im not even an aggro player
So serious question I would love the answer to, I wasn't around when the most recent eldraine dropped. Did people actually care about/use celebration, and was it good?
@@honestabe411 Part of it is because he thinks "be mindless" is how to aggro properly, the other part is that he's a control player and just doesn't know how to avoid being ran over or how to outrace.
Maybe WotC is trying to hurt Bo1's popularity because they know it is, and has always been, an atrocious format. And are trying to push people into the Bo3 pool, which is by far the superior format. I don't know why anyone would willingly subject themselves to Bo1. Normally I'm on the side of the zoomers, but in this case I blame them for lack of attention span boosting Bo1.
No I love playing a single Match, No Sideboard, having some Gimmick or neat combo that the opponent might Not expect. But yeah Sure, competitively its boring as hell.
Callous Sell-Sword Needs to be banned, man. It is straight up not fair. 12 damage with 2 lands on the battlefield, and 1 creature. Ridiculous. Absolutely disgusting.
Something about the MtgA algorithm bugs me. Seems it can also be exploited…. Just coming back after 4 years, so I went heavy into bloom burrow. And this is how it went. Built this and Rabbits. Old copies of Fabled passage in both decks, 1-2 other rare lands and I literally win like 10 games in a row although Often I’m playing a turn behind the optimal curve. Feeling unstoppable so I get the lands turn1,2,3 untapped lands… Then boom I’m 50/50 playing against top tier complete decks. Definitely might throw a skrelve in my mouse deck, looks fun.
"Arena never fails to piss me off"...I am so right there with you. It would be nice if there is a fifty fifty chance to go first, it would actually play out that way sometimes. I've gone whole sessions never going first for like ten rounds in a row 😂
Sounds like more of a personal issue than his issue. It's 2024, and not everyone subscribes to your train of thought. It just is what it is, mate. Asking a creator to change their vernacular for one viewer is kinda out of the question.
@@stevensupaz244 Not everyone subscribes to your view of what is and isnt blasphemy, big fella. You're gonna have to grow up and get some world experience and realize Christians don't rule the world. If you don't wanna watch it, cool. But it's not an airport, you don't have to announce your departure.
It's always refreshing to see a streamer have an MTGA experience similar to the one I typically have. Always love the "I'm so frustrated I can't draw crap and my opponent is drawing straight gasoline" videos. So relatable.
CGB! You need to put 4 Lightning Helix in to end games that you can't close out with combat damage. That's what fixed my version and it works really well. And don't run too many villages, they don't put in the work. Also, you focus too much on value with this deck. Don't put everything on the prowess mouse - use it more often on Heartfire Hero instead and force them into a situation where they die if you hit them and they die if they block.
That's it. I use 1 of each village. And 3 copies of helix. The life gain against aggro and the final blow against control makes difference.
Fair enough.
He plays aggro like a control player.
@@ForeverLaxx Cannot change his soul.
@@gresteban Which is why he rages extra hard at RDW. It's the bane of control players specifically.
I'm honestly really tired of the 3-4 turn win standard. Hasn't WOTC explicitly said that modern, a much more powerful format, is meant to be at least a four turn format, and they determine bans so as to prevent turn three wins? How is it that standard decks are having turn three wins? How is wizards just being so negligent to the design of their card game? Why do they keep printing broken stuff?
Yeah, I often have games where I play tap land on 1, interaction on turn 3 and 4 and still somehow die. These prowess decks are so fast it feels like you have to have 1 mana interaction in order to not die going second
@@afeather123 Monored player: have you tried just going first instead?
@@DJKokaKola No, sorry. I am still trying to explain the shuffler, that there actually is an earea between 2 lands/15 cards and 10 lands/14 cards...
@@wurgel1 mmmmmm....that sounds fake sorry, gotta go face
It's Bo1. It's not how the game is designed to be played. With sideboards, MonoRed/Red Fling doesn't post numbers worth caring about.
“I’m sorry I didn’t go first”
“Some crimes can never be forgiven”
You want honest -- okay, let's admit that you're just not an aggro mage. You're a control mage. Not only do you play aggro like a control mage, you even build aggro decks like a control mage.
But here's more honesty. We love you because you're a control mage! So if you want to just play control and mid-range from now on, we are okay with that!
An honest comment on CGB's video
An honest reply.
An honest rebuttal
An honest critique.
a dishonest ending to the chain
An honest re-up.
I think the villages should be one of's at best in a deck like this. It needs to be able to cast instants and sorceries, and the land's abilities don't seem good enough to justify that many. I've been running 1 of each and 2 bivouacs instead.
The white village is the worst offender. I wouldn't even run it in a deck like this. Red village at least triggers Valiant in a pinch.
@@snekku The solution is actually to just run WAY fewer spells. Like 4 monstrous rage and that’s it. Way less of a chance of getting blown out in a 2 for 1
I can feel CGB's itch to play control grow the deeper I get into the video.
Thanks for all you do for the Mesa Falcon Gang, caw caw
next video is definitely going to be UW control again LOL
34:53 You didn't get priority because you couldn't cast Gnaw anyway. There were no creatures you don't control to target.
at 29:00 I remember running into the same issue with my mice deck but in the end I did took out the Lupinflower but I kept 2 rockface for the +1 haste on it specifically for the Heartfire Hero. I like this little bastard a lot, many dirty tricks you can pull with him haha.
I starting to think that many WOTC should ban monstrous rage 😂
Monored aggro, fake rakdos aggro and gruul aggro are combining for almost 30% of the meta. With Selesnya Rabbits right behind them, it's hard to find any room for Mice.
I learned that Skrelv is an absolute scam in this deck.
So. Glad to see that I am not the only one who tried this mouse-stuff and gets slapped around like hell in MTGA...
It's a pity they design tribal decks that should be funny to play that end up not working because of the meta.
This will go down as one of the mice videos of all time
I literally only just started playing MTG, Arena has been super useful to actually learn all the rules without accidentally cheating, I'm a boros player through and through, not sure why but I just can't play anything else, nothing else even feels fun. I have an enchantment / mouse deck right now, (I still have limited cards) but I can consistently put out creatures and use an enchantment to get 1+1 counters with every other enchantment I use and it just ramps so quick, I have petrify and other things for some control, it's great
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Actually think I found a better shell for a mice creature deck, if you go more for a collected company style midrange she’ll with dewdrop cure, majority 2 drops mice and valley forerunner to sneak creatures into play at instant speed
I was like: You have 12 lifepoints and the enemy has only 1 creature and two mana on board. No way they're going to oneshot you.
...I hate red.
I definitely don't think the white villages go in this deck. You've got enough card advantage between the might and the challenger, and not having good lands killed you.
Emberheart Challenger generates tons of card advantage with Inti, although not as flavorful as another mouse.
15:32 Really appreciate you saying this.
34:00 You can't cast Rabid Gnaw in that situation because it requires two targets, and the opponent had no creatures for you to target.
I hate what Standard has slowly devolved into over the past couple years. 90% of the time, unless your opponent got insanely unlucky with their first few draws, go 2nd = lose on turn 3 or 4, or be so hopelessly behind on the board that it'd take both your opponent having dead draws and you having perfect situational draws consecutively to even threaten the possibility of a comeback.
"But that's just Bo1 meta if you don't like it go to Bo3" is a terrible argument as that hasn't always been the case until a couple of years ago. Bo1 Standard is the most popular format but they're so addicted to printing money that they don't even care about banning cards to balance the powercreep that they keep spewing out with almost every new set.
Jaya is my favourite planeswalker, ill rep her avatar and sleeves even when mono blue
In an aggro format like this, going first is the difference between a win and a loss a good amount of the time. Somehow my "go first" rate is nowhere near 50/50. It's probably closer to 90% going second and this is not an exaggeration. This happens almost daily
Confirmation bias at work. You average out to 50/50 long term. You remember the times you go second because it confirms your bias, but treat it "as it should be" when you go first.
I used to get aggravated over going second at some point, so I started keeping count. Some days were 90% going second, some were 100% going first, some were in between. It all averages out.
The issue with all these conspiracy theories about MTGA screwing you over is simple: every game someones goes first, someone goes second. There is no way to magically have more people going second than first.
I've been killing it with the Cruel claw reanimate and running g 4 Virtues of Persistence. It's the only way to get away from those dumb mono red death triggers. I've gone like 70% against them but they are so dumb and like 8 out of ten of the games
I like to use the card call in a surprise witness for all the removal thats around
I built a Boros Mice deck for standard grind. It wins, but it's not really fun for me.
This makes me want to finally start playing magic. It’s an expensive hobby though and in poor 😢.
If you’re good at magic then f2p on arena is viable
Cgb is never picking up boros mice again
Watching a mice deck do terrible on the ladder is so satisfying to watch, lol. Thanks for enduring the torture for our entertainment legend.
Isn't Skrelv plus Challenger free Valiant triggers every turn? Seemed to miss that huge synergy in these games.
Imagine protecting against removal is more important.
@@JushakF Opp tapped out.
@@waffleyumboyr5342 ...and on their turn they untap. If the enemy is tapped out at the end of THEIR turn then sure, but it likely isn't worth spending 2 life most of the time if you're out of white.
Hi CGB,
Will you able to do the same with Lizard now ?
The mtg arena mice video vs this one, are leagues away
loved the W/G bunny deck. This one looks fun too. Too bad I have all of 2 rare wild cards :/
Man, I seem to get kicked around all day when I use the bunny deck. I only win if I get a great starting draw and go first or if they opponent doesn't draw removal. It just seems like if they kill your first few creatures you're just never going to get through.
🤔 according to untapped I'm 15-6 with bunnies
@@ericaschner3283 I'm sure I just suck with it. I'm more of a midrange player.
@@TheCrmerry probably more just sample sizes, both are abnormal compared to the untapped meta
@ericaschner3283 that's what I tell myself, anyway. Clearly it works.
I wonder how much truth is what a store owner told me few days ago that Hasbro really, really tries to kill MTG. I hasvn't played mtg since Time Spiral so for very long time (currently SW:U) but your and Rarran videos brought me here :)
Tf is the point of skrelv if you dont use it, that first game should have ended a lot earlier...
34:28 you couldnt cast the gnaw because there were no legal targets on the opponents side, not because of priority
I am new to magic but it’s so stupid so far. Standard new player and I can’t do anything. I’m trying to play a black deck and I get a 1/1 flying bat and they get a 19/19 green creature I can’t do anything about. How am I supposed to stop that when cut down is only for weak creatures 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Dont rely on cut down? Use go for the throat, heros downfall, Fell, Sheoldreds edict, just to name a few lol.
@@EkkosUwU I need something with low mana cost or else I will be unable to play. I go against this deck quite frequently and they will just play it again the next turn.
@@AzSa5z1n
Lol a 19/19? For 1 mana?
What cars is that? xD.
@@JohnPaul-nb5iu I never said for 1 mana. That’s just the only creature I could play. They play a creature that adds counters to itself when something enters the field and if I don’t immediately have an answer turn 2-3 they boost it so high up it’s GG
@@AzSa5z1n Go for the throat is 2, fell is two but sorcery speed, edict is two but they get a choice if they have more.
Of Mice and Meta.
Subscribing for the Cimo crossover
looking at the gold level... so close to perfection
Im so tired of this standard already. Every 2nd game ends on turn 3
Can you make a deck with the 36 most expensive no land cards and see if it works
Loved the honest outro
If u Take a break, i Will completely understand and even sugest this tô you. Tank you ver much for this vídeo. It was clear that it was a sacrifice to make it, playing with something you hate
An honest comment about me looking at myself looking at myself commenting on this CGB video.
34:20 No legal targets for Rabid Gnaw so that's why you didn't get priority for it.
Tried to fool yourself into not playing mono red by putting in white. just join the dark side and go mono red
I want an honest video about bats 😅
Valiant with 0 Equip cost is so good
No outro?
I live for the salt.
where delete deck. u gotta show it man
169,420. Not like this. Yes like this. Caw Caw 🦅
Synergizing the new Valiant ability with the older Celebration ability is the mark of a true Aggro genius
Exactly my thoughts! 🔥
If you are playing battle mouse, you play Jitte. You'll thank me later.
genius? you just search creature type mouse and its plain as day, i talked about almost this exact list weeks before release and im not even an aggro player
@mh_voltage7974 Are you now mad because you didn't get the validation you deserved lol? I'll give it ya. Good Job man you did it!!!
So serious question I would love the answer to, I wasn't around when the most recent eldraine dropped. Did people actually care about/use celebration, and was it good?
9 out of 11 on the draw, you say? Don't ask why I *remember* that.
Dancing
Bro the game around 22 min was so winnable...
CBG, you seem to struggle a bit then you can't counter spell or board wipe the swarm. ;-P
CovertGoSecond
CGB I just got to mythic playing mono blue mill with no counter spells in historic. That makes me the greatest magic player ever.
day 5 of asking CGB to play a Chromium historic brawl deck
Its shit in standart with 99% spamming removal. 2 skrevls are not gonna cut it :D
Day 4 of asking for Covert Go Mustache
Squeak?
Man...CGB's energy is totally diff when aggro is good. Compare this vid to any of the vids from the the alrund's epiphany meta
😂😂
He’s not a good aggro player
@@honestabe411 Part of it is because he thinks "be mindless" is how to aggro properly, the other part is that he's a control player and just doesn't know how to avoid being ran over or how to outrace.
Emergency ban
Maybe WotC is trying to hurt Bo1's popularity because they know it is, and has always been, an atrocious format. And are trying to push people into the Bo3 pool, which is by far the superior format. I don't know why anyone would willingly subject themselves to Bo1. Normally I'm on the side of the zoomers, but in this case I blame them for lack of attention span boosting Bo1.
No I love playing a single Match, No Sideboard, having some Gimmick or neat combo that the opponent might Not expect. But yeah Sure, competitively its boring as hell.
It's popular because it's the fastest way to burn through those daily quests and is "low stakes." No other reason.
Callous Sell-Sword Needs to be banned, man. It is straight up not fair. 12 damage with 2 lands on the battlefield, and 1 creature. Ridiculous. Absolutely disgusting.
Raging battle mouse is so bad here
Something about the MtgA algorithm bugs me. Seems it can also be exploited…. Just coming back after 4 years, so I went heavy into bloom burrow. And this is how it went.
Built this and Rabbits. Old copies of Fabled passage in both decks, 1-2 other rare lands and I literally win like 10 games in a row although Often I’m playing a turn behind the optimal curve. Feeling unstoppable so I get the lands turn1,2,3 untapped lands…
Then boom I’m 50/50 playing against top tier complete decks.
Definitely might throw a skrelve in my mouse deck, looks fun.
"Arena never fails to piss me off"...I am so right there with you. It would be nice if there is a fifty fifty chance to go first, it would actually play out that way sometimes. I've gone whole sessions never going first for like ten rounds in a row 😂
It was so hard to watch this. My own expirience on arena by professional :)
CryGoBlue
Ya turn 3 is dumb turn 4 im fine with. I still think rats is the beter deck tho
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You almost had a super nice gold total in the intro.
This was your best video ever. Love all the loses. Keep it up.🤘🤘
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boros mice is worse mono red. i will always sy
glad I quit this game. why is everything all cutesy in 2024. im sick of the women products.
Eh. Gave it ten minutes or so before I bailed, but mice gameplay is kind of boring to watch. I'll be back for the next vid.
I really appreciate your hard work! Your videos are always so interesting and informative. Keep up the good work!😆🏘❤️
Please don’t say Jesus anymore in your videos, I won’t watch past that point
Sounds like more of a personal issue than his issue. It's 2024, and not everyone subscribes to your train of thought. It just is what it is, mate.
Asking a creator to change their vernacular for one viewer is kinda out of the question.
@@manaintolerantmage it's blasphemy, and I've also turned it off after hearing His name become as a curse word
@@stevensupaz244Only if you are a believer otherwise it's just a name. 😉
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@@stevensupaz244 Not everyone subscribes to your view of what is and isnt blasphemy, big fella. You're gonna have to grow up and get some world experience and realize Christians don't rule the world.
If you don't wanna watch it, cool. But it's not an airport, you don't have to announce your departure.
CovertGoBlue, I love this! Can we be friends?