Having PPF on the front bumper is really important to prevent rock chips which Ceramic coating wont protect and will really hinder the look of the paint since it will have multiple chips. PPF on the hood and fenders I would say would help a lot as well.
Thanks for watching! This is incorrect. Coatings like MAX G+, Icon Rocklear, REVIVIFY, etc offer an increased level of thickness to prevent rock chips. Now, traditional SiO2 coatings like IGL, Holy Grail, Gtechniq, etc... Then you're correct. As I stated in the video a reputable shop would charge you 1K+ for PPF on the front bumper unless it's a small vehicle. And WHEN that PPF is damaged warranty does not cover it. You could repaint an entire bumper twice for that price. In our almost 10-Years in business there is no benefit to PPF Fenders unless you have a Widebody. Also, if doing the hood only 1/4 hood is beneficial... Entire hood PPF is a waste as I have never witnessed a vehicle with a rock chip past the front 25-30%. I appreciate you watching!!! I hope you subscribed! I keep it a little too real and I know some guys at SEMA will be mad that I spill the beans on the PPF profit machine. I have 10K invested in an FC9000 and 6K worth of PPF in stock. I'm not biased.
@@THEBeyondCleanLLCyou should pin your response so everyone can see it. It was luck I found it and it's really insightful and worth everyone being able to read.
@@THEBeyondCleanLLC Icon Rocklear claims to be rock chip resistant but I did not see anything for Max G+. Plus small rock chips it might protect you from, but anything big is doubtful.
@@gurpreetkhinda9665 You would never hear me claim anything even PPF is, “rock chip resistance”. That would mean it’s a 100% guarantee against such impact. PPF > Wipe on Clear(Rocklear) > Ceramic Coating. For a pure rock chip
Great video and all great points. I personally have PPF on two of our vehicles and love it. That’s just me. For those looking to reduce the chance of getting paint chip damage to their vehicles clear coat and paint, PPF is your best option at achieving that then topped with a ceramic coating. There is no 100% guarantee but it greatly reduces the chances of getting them. Your paints color will determine how noticeable those paint chips are and how bad they stand out. We have Suntek PPF and love it. PPF also helps hide any left over scratches and swirls in the clear coat.
Thank you for you professional insight. Ceramic it is! While I drive very carefully to preserve my investment as best I can, all we are is dust in the wind.
Thank you for the education and saving me from myself 😊. I realized that the $2K full front PPF on a new Accord would have been overkilled and lost if I ever got into an accident. Insurance would not replace PPF either.
Love this ❤ video as I’m desperately learning the difference between the both. What would be your recommendation for a BMW M2 frozen color? I’m thinking ceramic coating will do the job as my main goal is to protect the color and I’m driving it in the city only. Thank you!
I PPF'd my 2016 model X when I got it new and it looks brand new after a wash. I did the same on 2023 model X and added ceramic coating. I PPF'd my $40k Miata because I'm keeping it forever and the soul red is really hard to match. I did 10 mils on the front.
@ I would never recommend Icon and have seen more bad installs than good. They use a proprietary “wipe on clear” type product. Nothing “new” and should only be used on bad condition vehicle. It’s more work to remove Icon completely off a vehicle than PPF.
@@THEBeyondCleanLLC thanks for your quick reply! What other ceramic coating brands then, would you recommend specifically for physical impact (rock chips, scratches) protection (not just hydrophobic surface layer)??
@ You’re Welcome! None.. Feynlab has a Self Healing and MAX G+ is great. If you’re 100% solely worried about Rock Chips/Scratches your 2 options are PPF or Vinyl.
I have a amg gtr in matt paint . The front bumper was resprayed and doesnt look 100 percent the same , however only me the owner notices the repainted parts. Will a whole car ppf make the 2 surfaces the same colour again?
@@Excarbitarian I would definitely wrap a GTR. To answer your question… Possibly. It “should” look better than it does now. If the color is slightly off the PPF should hide that.
do you recommend ppf on older cars with existing rock chips already? 2018 m240i xdrive was going to do ppf full front xpel ultimate with gtech ceramic coating
@@juju-nk5wz PPF looks terrible on pre existing rock chips as the indentation caused by the rock chip crater cannot be covered. Now, if the shop in question is sanding and filling in the area the PPF would do a good job “hiding” the damage. I’m not a big fan of XPEL 🙂. They are the Ceramic Pro of film. Not terrible but they charge a ton to carry their products which in turn causes the installer to charge more. Try and find. STEK, SunTek, or Llumar installer.
@@THEBeyondCleanLLC Yea im leaning towards just ceramic coating as the car has a few chips and i dont think it makes sense to touch up paint everything, white car as well. another question if you dont mind, hows gtech 3 year ceramic coating? does it usually hold up for the 3 years and do you reccomended at the bare minimum ppf just the headlights. i got a chip the other day on what would be considered near perfect headlights and these adaptive headlights are $$$$$$ thank you again for all the insight, love the channel - subscribed!
@@juju-nk5wz No problem with PPF on headlights and should be relatively inexpensive. Gtechniq has good Coatings and if you’re getting a 3-year then it would be the consumer level CS Light as CS Ultra is a 9-Year option. Nothing wrong with CS Light but it should be priced well as the coating isn’t expensive to buy.
What about PPF on the door panels to protect against shopping carts scratches and people that open their door to where it touches yours and let it ride up and down as they get out ? For reference this is for my 25 i4 M50
LOL, in the last 20 years i have suffered from exactly one door ding. And that was from a friend i was giving a ride opening the door when i told him not too. Sigh. you just have to park away from crappy cars, 2 door cars, and in tight spaces.
@@annenominous7220 Luck you... The problem is places where you can't park far away and that only have valet parking. Especially in the city this is a problem. There is a an entire industry and removing door dings for reason.
@@annenominous7220 Find a good PDR guy. They will be able to take that ding right out and you will never see it. Probably only a couple hundred bucks to do so.
I’ve seen multiple videos with installers talking of the thickness of PPF , and now Ceramic is mentioned here also where the measurement used is “mil”. He says the PPF is “8mil” and the Ceramic is “6mil”. Where I come from, “mil” means “millimetre”. Perhaps I’m misunderstanding something, but there is no way in heck to my eye that their PPF is 8mm, not unless we’re talking of just a hood/bonnet bra? And the ceramic is not 6mm unless they are building up 5-10layers of the stuff… right? Should they all be saying “0.8mm” for the PPF and “0.6mm” for the Ceramic? Or is there some other measurement I’m not considering? Doesn’t make sense if they’re trying to use Microns either (as is used for paint depth). @TheBeyondCleanLLC?
I have a 2022 GT4. I have owned and operated a high end detail shop for 27 years now. I received the car with only 1900 miles/one owner babied. After a proper wash and decontamination, the car got a full paint correction, PPF track package, along with ceramic. Most exotics are prone to stone chips on the rockers and sides due to soft sticky tires picking everything up, and also the sides by the air vents on the GT4 protrude out and catch all those stones. I also added front splash guards to mine. They look clean and help prevent stone chips. This is a lifetime car for me and Im also super fussy, so its worth it in my opinion. Enjoy your Porsche. Amazing cars!
It's never the same exact paint too if one gets it repainted. The paint from the manufacture is mixed different from any other OEM paint one can get. If I had a Civic Type-R I would want that PPF.
If you eat two oranges, they are not the same either. They will be chemically the same, but they will be hand applied, not robot applied, this means both the color coat and the clear coat will be thicker. You can repain the bumper of most cars for under 1K at a HIGH end paint shop. I budget for this on a yearly basis, but rarely need it.
a Mil is not a milimeter. Look it up. a MIL is 1/1000th of an inch.. PPF is about the thickness of a human hair. The best start out at 250 microns but are usually stretched to just 180 microns. 1 milimeter is 1000 microns..
the best is old fashioned wax! it is more labor intensive, as you have to do it about every 3 weeks, but the glossy shine is untouchable by either raw factory paint or by (much worse) ceramic coating. I just budget for repaints from rock chips and do it once they are noticible from 6 ft away. You should look into switching to wax. The old school is still the best... at the most recent SEMA, all the showcars were waxed! At the concours, again, all the cars are WAXED. If you can provide a professional ultra-wet super hi gloss finish to your customers for a reasonable cost, say 100 bucks, i bet you could get them in every month during the summer. Every single ceramic product dulls the finish, almost as much as PPF does.
@@braydenblocher Some corners are being cut somewhere for that price. With material and time for install they are paying you to install it not the other way around for $300.
@ it’s a family friend, known him for years. he’s reputable around my area for doing all kinds of vinyl work on vehicles too. so im getting a discount lol
Great idea to protect your vehicles, I've done both on my vehicles, at the end of the day, it's a car that is on the road, along with others, so get over it.
@@middleearthtroll6183 These aren’t cheap add-ons to your vehicle and our job is to educate clients and those seeking information. Thanks for watching though!!
Saves paint at the cost of yellowing, optical distortion, risk of clearcoat delamination and a lot of panel disassembly during installation. Oh and you still need a coating for hydrophobic properties that last. I’ll pass
@@AJ56 Amen! We try and tell clients ALL the time. Most shops are looking at the financial aspect and not what’s in the best interest of the client. I do recommend it on low produced vehicles but never on mass produced.
@Alrounderrrr That’s not true though. If you don’t care about your vehicle then most definitely. Some people do not care about how good/bad paint looks.
@Alrounderrrr Blessings!! It’s not really an opinion on the benefits/disadvantages. A Ceramic Coating eliminates the need to wax or have any other form of clear coat protection. Clear Coat is the most important part of protecting the paint and needs to be protected. If you’re O.K with Waxing 10* a year and wash regularly you wouldn’t need a Coating theoretically. It’s also cheaper to get a coating with the included maintenance package discounts. This all depends on how much you care about your paint especially with vehicle prices. It has nothing to do with this being my business I’ll always be honest about a product. Both a Coating and PPF are great benefits to your vehicle. This video just highlights why I prefer one over the other…. Not that one is bad.
Bugatti’s go up in value and those can afford them understand that and definitely want to to protect their investment. That’s why they have a ton of money, they know how to make their money grow.
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Having PPF on the front bumper is really important to prevent rock chips which Ceramic coating wont protect and will really hinder the look of the paint since it will have multiple chips. PPF on the hood and fenders I would say would help a lot as well.
Thanks for watching! This is incorrect. Coatings like MAX G+, Icon Rocklear, REVIVIFY, etc offer an increased level of thickness to prevent rock chips. Now, traditional SiO2 coatings like IGL, Holy Grail, Gtechniq, etc... Then you're correct.
As I stated in the video a reputable shop would charge you 1K+ for PPF on the front bumper unless it's a small vehicle. And WHEN that PPF is damaged warranty does not cover it. You could repaint an entire bumper twice for that price.
In our almost 10-Years in business there is no benefit to PPF Fenders unless you have a Widebody. Also, if doing the hood only 1/4 hood is beneficial... Entire hood PPF is a waste as I have never witnessed a vehicle with a rock chip past the front 25-30%.
I appreciate you watching!!! I hope you subscribed! I keep it a little too real and I know some guys at SEMA will be mad that I spill the beans on the PPF profit machine. I have 10K invested in an FC9000 and 6K worth of PPF in stock. I'm not biased.
@@THEBeyondCleanLLCyou should pin your response so everyone can see it. It was luck I found it and it's really insightful and worth everyone being able to read.
@@DavesaysHi I appreciate you and will do!
@@THEBeyondCleanLLC Icon Rocklear claims to be rock chip resistant but I did not see anything for Max G+. Plus small rock chips it might protect you from, but anything big is doubtful.
@@gurpreetkhinda9665 You would never hear me claim anything even PPF is, “rock chip resistance”. That would mean it’s a 100% guarantee against such impact.
PPF > Wipe on Clear(Rocklear) > Ceramic Coating.
For a pure rock chip
Great video and all great points. I personally have PPF on two of our vehicles and love it. That’s just me. For those looking to reduce the chance of getting paint chip damage to their vehicles clear coat and paint, PPF is your best option at achieving that then topped with a ceramic coating. There is no 100% guarantee but it greatly reduces the chances of getting them. Your paints color will determine how noticeable those paint chips are and how bad they stand out. We have Suntek PPF and love it. PPF also helps hide any left over scratches and swirls in the clear coat.
Thank you for you professional insight. Ceramic it is! While I drive very carefully to preserve my investment as best I can, all we are is dust in the wind.
Thank you for the education and saving me from myself 😊. I realized that the $2K full front PPF on a new Accord would have been overkilled and lost if I ever got into an accident. Insurance would not replace PPF either.
This was super informative - thanks!
Excellent straight talk on PPF……it doesn’t make sense for most people. It does make sense for the enthusiast and the exotic car owner though.
Only if you want an ugly car and plan to sell it in a few years or 5k miles, whichever comes first.
Love this ❤ video as I’m desperately learning the difference between the both. What would be your recommendation for a BMW M2 frozen color? I’m thinking ceramic coating will do the job as my main goal is to protect the color and I’m driving it in the city only. Thank you!
@@chejw I would do PPF + Coating on an M series!
@@THEBeyondCleanLLC thank you sir!
that was a very informative video, thank you. subscribed
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I PPF'd my 2016 model X when I got it new and it looks brand new after a wash. I did the same on 2023 model X and added ceramic coating. I PPF'd my $40k Miata because I'm keeping it forever and the soul red is really hard to match. I did 10 mils on the front.
@@toology55 Glad you’re happy!! ✊🏾
Peel it off and revel in a 20% increase id color depth and gloss. PPF destroys the shine bro.
Thank you I’ve been deciding what to have done on a new land cruiser
I think you just saved me a lot of money, thank you! What ceramic coating brands should I ask about to determine if a shop is worth considering?
@@Sierrablue03 You’re welcome! SystemX, Feynlab, Holy Grail, Modesta, Gtechniq, CarPro, Fireball, SB3
@@THEBeyondCleanLLC what about icon rocklear? Is that any good?
@ I would never recommend Icon and have seen more bad installs than good.
They use a proprietary “wipe on clear” type product. Nothing “new” and should only be used on bad condition vehicle.
It’s more work to remove Icon completely off a vehicle than PPF.
@@THEBeyondCleanLLC thanks for your quick reply! What other ceramic coating brands then, would you recommend specifically for physical impact (rock chips, scratches) protection (not just hydrophobic surface layer)??
@ You’re Welcome! None.. Feynlab has a Self Healing and MAX G+ is great.
If you’re 100% solely worried about Rock Chips/Scratches your 2 options are PPF or Vinyl.
I have a amg gtr in matt paint . The front bumper was resprayed and doesnt look 100 percent the same , however only me the owner notices the repainted parts. Will a whole car ppf make the 2 surfaces the same colour again?
@@Excarbitarian I would definitely wrap a GTR.
To answer your question… Possibly. It “should” look better than it does now. If the color is slightly off the PPF should hide that.
do you recommend ppf on older cars with existing rock chips already? 2018 m240i xdrive was going to do ppf full front xpel ultimate with gtech ceramic coating
@@juju-nk5wz PPF looks terrible on pre existing rock chips as the indentation caused by the rock chip crater cannot be covered.
Now, if the shop in question is sanding and filling in the area the PPF would do a good job “hiding” the damage.
I’m not a big fan of XPEL 🙂. They are the Ceramic Pro of film. Not terrible but they charge a ton to carry their products which in turn causes the installer to charge more.
Try and find. STEK, SunTek, or Llumar installer.
@@THEBeyondCleanLLC Yea im leaning towards just ceramic coating as the car has a few chips and i dont think it makes sense to touch up paint everything, white car as well.
another question if you dont mind, hows gtech 3 year ceramic coating? does it usually hold up for the 3 years and do you reccomended at the bare minimum ppf just the headlights. i got a chip the other day on what would be considered near perfect headlights and these adaptive headlights are $$$$$$
thank you again for all the insight, love the channel - subscribed!
@@juju-nk5wz No problem with PPF on headlights and should be relatively inexpensive.
Gtechniq has good Coatings and if you’re getting a 3-year then it would be the consumer level CS Light as CS Ultra is a 9-Year option.
Nothing wrong with CS Light but it should be priced well as the coating isn’t expensive to buy.
@@juju-nk5wz touch it up, you will be much happier with fresh paint. your insurance may even pay for it.
Awesome video! Is SB3. Good product? Thanks
Not particularly. There are far better coatings out there than SB3
Agreed on every point. Thanks bro.
Is CS2 Titanium Coating a durable coating similar to the ones you mentioned?
@@mrs.jackson5269 Never heard of them. Judging by the website they have I would say no.
It’s a Ti02 ceramic coatings. Metal oxide in the formula.
I want to do PPF on the front and then layer Graphene Coating on Top which is best of both worlds🤙🏾
What about PPF on the door panels to protect against shopping carts scratches and people that open their door to where it touches yours and let it ride up and down as they get out ?
For reference this is for my 25 i4 M50
@@maxrey4055 I would definitely get it on the mid to high tier German vehicle as their paint codes are relatively expensive
LOL, in the last 20 years i have suffered from exactly one door ding. And that was from a friend i was giving a ride opening the door when i told him not too. Sigh. you just have to park away from crappy cars, 2 door cars, and in tight spaces.
@@annenominous7220 Luck you... The problem is places where you can't park far away and that only have valet parking. Especially in the city this is a problem. There is a an entire industry and removing door dings for reason.
@@annenominous7220 Find a good PDR guy. They will be able to take that ding right out and you will never see it. Probably only a couple hundred bucks to do so.
I’ve seen multiple videos with installers talking of the thickness of PPF , and now Ceramic is mentioned here also where the measurement used is “mil”.
He says the PPF is “8mil” and the Ceramic is “6mil”.
Where I come from, “mil” means “millimetre”. Perhaps I’m misunderstanding something, but there is no way in heck to my eye that their PPF is 8mm, not unless we’re talking of just a hood/bonnet bra? And the ceramic is not 6mm unless they are building up 5-10layers of the stuff… right?
Should they all be saying “0.8mm” for the PPF and “0.6mm” for the Ceramic? Or is there some other measurement I’m not considering?
Doesn’t make sense if they’re trying to use Microns either (as is used for paint depth).
@TheBeyondCleanLLC?
@@brenfaltermeyer The current terminology is measured in “Mils”… You can Google “PPF thickness” as an example.
1 mil is .001 of an inch.
Ah. So it’s imperial measurements. Makes sense now.
Thanks.
Which Ceramic coating is better Gtechniq or Ceramic Pro?
@@brendan6093 Gtechniq
Awesome video. So does a Porsche Cayman GT4 qualify as a vehicle that gets PPF? Or is it still "Mainstream" enough to be a respray candidate?
@@6SpeedTA95 Depends! If you can afford the PPF + Coating combo that’s the route I would take!
I have a 2022 GT4. I have owned and operated a high end detail shop for 27 years now. I received the car with only 1900 miles/one owner babied. After a proper wash and decontamination, the car got a full paint correction, PPF track package, along with ceramic. Most exotics are prone to stone chips on the rockers and sides due to soft sticky tires picking everything up, and also the sides by the air vents on the GT4 protrude out and catch all those stones. I also added front splash guards to mine. They look clean and help prevent stone chips. This is a lifetime car for me and Im also super fussy, so its worth it in my opinion. Enjoy your Porsche. Amazing cars!
Ceramic coat the PPF?
@@chair6180 yep!
Good info. Thx
It's never the same exact paint too if one gets it repainted. The paint from the manufacture is mixed different from any other OEM paint one can get. If I had a Civic Type-R I would want that PPF.
If you eat two oranges, they are not the same either. They will be chemically the same, but they will be hand applied, not robot applied, this means both the color coat and the clear coat will be thicker. You can repain the bumper of most cars for under 1K at a HIGH end paint shop. I budget for this on a yearly basis, but rarely need it.
I don't know who this is, but ceramic coating can NOT protect your paint like PPF!!!!!!!!!!!!! /END
Im assuming you mean .7mm and .6mm?
No, I stated it correctly. On PPF the higher quality film is “7.5MIL”
You don’t measure PPF/Coating Thickness in MM.
@@THEBeyondCleanLLC thanks for the clarification 👍
@@SeldomlyOften you’re very welcome!
a Mil is not a milimeter. Look it up. a MIL is 1/1000th of an inch.. PPF is about the thickness of a human hair. The best start out at 250 microns but are usually stretched to just 180 microns. 1 milimeter is 1000 microns..
the best is old fashioned wax! it is more labor intensive, as you have to do it about every 3 weeks, but the glossy shine is untouchable by either raw factory paint or by (much worse) ceramic coating. I just budget for repaints from rock chips and do it once they are noticible from 6 ft away. You should look into switching to wax. The old school is still the best... at the most recent SEMA, all the showcars were waxed! At the concours, again, all the cars are WAXED. If you can provide a professional ultra-wet super hi gloss finish to your customers for a reasonable cost, say 100 bucks, i bet you could get them in every month during the summer. Every single ceramic product dulls the finish, almost as much as PPF does.
Wax is dead, waste of time and money for daily drivers. Ceramic coatings are perfect for daily drivers
Mr. Krabs: MONEY
getting the front ppf on my brand new civic for only $300
@@braydenblocher Some corners are being cut somewhere for that price.
With material and time for install they are paying you to install it not the other way around for $300.
@ it’s a family friend, known him for years. he’s reputable around my area for doing all kinds of vinyl work on vehicles too. so im getting a discount lol
Great idea to protect your vehicles, I've done both on my vehicles, at the end of the day, it's a car that is on the road, along with others, so get over it.
@@middleearthtroll6183 These aren’t cheap add-ons to your vehicle and our job is to educate clients and those seeking information.
Thanks for watching though!!
Saves paint at the cost of yellowing, optical distortion, risk of clearcoat delamination and a lot of panel disassembly during installation. Oh and you still need a coating for hydrophobic properties that last. I’ll pass
@@AJ56 Amen! We try and tell clients ALL the time.
Most shops are looking at the financial aspect and not what’s in the best interest of the client.
I do recommend it on low produced vehicles but never on mass produced.
Ceramic will goes to shit if you can't care for it
Both are scams
Why is that?
@@THEBeyondCleanLLC because this is not required, cars are good without them also
@Alrounderrrr That’s not true though.
If you don’t care about your vehicle then most definitely. Some people do not care about how good/bad paint looks.
@@THEBeyondCleanLLC I respect that this is your business but my personal opinion is this is waste of money. But best wishes for you !
@Alrounderrrr Blessings!!
It’s not really an opinion on the benefits/disadvantages. A Ceramic Coating eliminates the need to wax or have any other form of clear coat protection. Clear Coat is the most important part of protecting the paint and needs to be protected.
If you’re O.K with Waxing 10* a year and wash regularly you wouldn’t need a Coating theoretically. It’s also cheaper to get a coating with the included maintenance package discounts.
This all depends on how much you care about your paint especially with vehicle prices. It has nothing to do with this being my business I’ll always be honest about a product.
Both a Coating and PPF are great benefits to your vehicle. This video just highlights why I prefer one over the other…. Not that one is bad.
Who cares if you own a bugatti you don't care about expensive paint repairs money is no object.
Bugatti’s go up in value and those can afford them understand that and definitely want to to protect their investment. That’s why they have a ton of money, they know how to make their money grow.
Is not the money the time lost
In our experience those sorts of vehicles always get the highest-level Coating and PPF.
But, you make a good point!
If you have a Bugatti you want to keep its value, and any hyper car with paint work is a huge red flag
@ 100%!