Higher C Rating Batteries Make You GO FASTER? Arrma Vorteks Speedrun
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Does a higher C rating on your battery make you go faster?
Lets find out with the Arrma Vorteks!
It's almost impossible to judge a battery by its c rating. All manufacturers lie and some manufacturers lie a lot about the output potential of their batteries. It's important to keep in mind that the connectors we're using are rated for somewhere around 100 amps and so is the wire. A 5000 milliamp hour battery at 100 amps is only 20c. If these batteries are actually outputting the kind of current that they say they would and the car could actually use it we would be melting wires and connectors.
Right? Fun experiment though.
Yes I think stock tires and 3 more teeth on the pinion would give it the 10MPH it needs. 3 teeth on the pinion is equivalent to 9 teeth on the spur, so That’s a pretty big difference
You guys expected that thing to hit 60 or more with heavier tires and the stock pinion? The first thing I did was throw the 20 tooth pinion in, did a general maintenance check of the diffs and screws, calibrated my steering and my throttle/brake endpoints and then I took it for a rip. I'm running on stock tires, super stable and blow your truck out of the water. 🤣
We did all those things other than install the pinion. I don’t think 2 extra teeth is good for 60mph.
jeez my dudes that intro music's a little loud lmao
There’s a little slider thing at the bottom where you can adjust volume.
That's assuming they aren't on a phone. But there are these buttons on the side of your phone that also turn down the volume.
@@10thScaleGarage I mean it's just a sound mixing issue, it was *so much louder* than the intro conversation lol
Shimmy, shimmy, shake it Ethan! Now that's entertainment! 👍🏾👊🏾✌🏾
Get your dolla bills ready.
That back right tire though
I believe it's advertised 50 with the 17T pinion and 60 with the included 20T pinion.
To be fair you should really be on stock tires to test their top speed claim. I think you were right about ballooning making a difference. Either way, this was a fun video 👍🏻👍🏻
I think you’re right!!
Smart packs aren't stupid. You just have to be smart enough to use the provided tech to maintain em.
(See the spektrum battery analizer/balancer)
Always use the correct C rating for your application.
The more 0000s behind your pack = more run time.
Give the system what it wants, and let it eat.
There is obviously a problem somewhere because it is clearly and repeatedly documented being faster. Thanks for the comparison on the C ratings!
We got a turd. haha.
Duratraks 2.2 also ballooned on Bandit 12 to 14 mm hexes & eladed with Hoons Silvers from Vendetta . It did heightened chassis up 3/16" which was slammed back down again , shortly .
the ballooning belted tires was my fav part of the vid
That was great. The spinning missle save was too cool.😂
In the opening montage, that rear right tire is ALL over the place, holy cow.. I agree with everyone else, put the stock tires back on! Dun-dunn-dunnnn! Now you gotta do another one! Womp womp
That footage was filmed after the blowout. It’s all over the place because there’s no foam in it.
@@10thScaleGarage Amazing 🤣
@@10thScaleGarage Hmmm another reason why it didn't hit 55mph. Transparency?
I thought Ethan was throwing up at the the beginning. HA!! Great stuff. At least it hit 50 with a popped tire.
Ha! So did I.
They do make a difference but it depends on the build in a basic basher no but on something like a speed run car yes, on a speed run car I have seen 6mph increase due to better c rated batteries.
Hmmmm. Interesting. Might need to get out the infraction.
50 out the box is pretty good. Great video guys. Thanks for sharing. Oh, punch settings. My Granite v3 did 50 out the box. Ha. John
Yeah! We’re not upset about it. Ethan’s granite is wayyyy faster, too.
For speed runs I use smc or maxamps batteries.
I need to get some......
My stock one with a 5000mah 100C smart battery did 53mph. Not sure how much difference it made to top speed but also had punch setting 5 on. Our speedrun video shows this. :)
Nice.
I don't understand why you don't just run stock tires with the speed pinion on the road like everyone else did to hit 60mph. Why modify it, no speed pinion and guess if it can go 10mph faster? Put the pinion in and stock tires back on and actually find out, rather than assuming.
1/10 scale smoke and mirrors 🪞
I’m not super interested in doing the same thing as everyone else.
@@10thScaleGarage So you can't expect to get the same results as everyone else and then question the speed they're getting.
Was just in my vorteks manual and saw they suggested 50c minimum. I upgraded my esc and have a 1900kv motor in it running 4S. Hope to do a speed run tomorrow.
Yeah. We ran an 80C
what speed did u get? please tell me.
@@10thScaleGarage why was it so slow?
@@firemyster4707 When is 50mph slow? Standard gearing is 50-55mph so it's in the ball park plus the heavier aftermarket tyres will slow it down.
when stock tires balloon it gears it up, also the belted tires are too heavy for 3s rig I think. you may get 60 or close to with the stock tires and wheels. may have to tighten the slipper up also.
Yeah. I mention this in the video.
@@10thScaleGarageyeah i know, i saw you mention it as well. i think the dboots fortress off the granite would be fast on here if they would hold together lol
Love the shirt!! Also got myself a vorteks and LOVE it!
Bruh, I just use em. I ain't no battery snob.👍🏾👊🏾✌🏾
Same.
The duratrax bandito my were junk on my vorteks.tread was done after 1 run.
The rims were totally off balance in one set of the two.
Bummer! I have them on my budget speed basher based on a TRSC-10E and that thing RIPS! does 60 on 3S without even breaking a sweat. They make them belted, too.... i think.....
How we bLew the tire? Look at the slowmo it garbage tire. bead lock but not belted. Bead lock doesn't hold up very well sadly.
That shot was filmed after the foam blew out.
Simple ESC calibration is all the takes
C rating mainly takes a toll on power demand to push and maintain that energy faster/quicker into the esc/motor meaning when you slam that throttle real fast the power will be able to exit the battery quicker then a lower rated battery. The hishest C rating battery is always best for ANY application.
I think the real way to phisically see C rating power on the battery would be to drag test the car from point A to point B with sensors to read from start to end. Same size 5000Mah batteries but different C ratings and drag test them.
SUBBED LOVE THE TESTING
I think you're 100% right.
I think we need some lab coats to make it official....
Thanks for the sub! Welcome to the 10th Scale Squad.
Older video. I have not seen duratrax have that issue before! That is crazy ' definitely a defect of some kind or a thin spot of glue during the bead process.
My question is yeah did you go into the punch settings and stock is 18 tooth pinion with a 20 pinion optional gear and mine went way faster than that with the stock Katar tires
Yes.
His vorteks is slow mines would dust that one
I've got 57mph with the 20tooth pinion that comes with it.I got that speed with the dboots slicks 2.9
I got a smart lipo 50c.
Nice! We have a set of those tires sitting around, maybe we should put them on....
Nice looking truck and with that platform 1/12 thru 1/8 scale high center of gravity truck, 50 mph is pretty decent, still controllable. The only way to get more out of it is to flip it, let it ride the roof rails, less resistance from the tires. It will go about a 100 yards that way straight, much faster 😅🤣, true story!
Nice truck
Thanks!!
I will say the spectrum battery you were using was to small c rating arrma saids a min of 50c rating and it should be doing 54 55 with the stock gearing maybe the different tries made a difference
All my batteries range from no name to name brand with no real difference between them so far .Duratrax tires aren’t bad but I prefer to use belted Prolines when possible. Great videos guys!
Thanks bro!
Arrma suggest minimum 50C on 2WD MT Granite BLS
When doing speed runs on my 3s Typhon, the batteries I had (Zeee, Hoovo etc.) were hitting LVC before I could hold top speed long enough to get a GPS reading. I was using a 27t pinion though... Wasn't until I got a $60 SMC Graphene that I could hold it long enough and got 67mph. I'll test my Vorteks with the 20t pinion and that battery soon. Running stock wheels.
We run those Zee batteries in lots of stuff with no issues.
@@10thScaleGarage I've noticed. They do work well and you can't beat that price! Only when I tried the 27t pinion (stock is 15t) did I have the issue
Good batteries but not for high performance like 27t opinions and shit that will cause too much internal resistance or voltage sag
Way Cool. I need that C Battery for my pacemaker!
haha. Takes a lickin and keeps on tickin!
your top speed will be limited by the voltage of the battery, not the amps or C rating. assuming all else equal
The 80C battery can put out more current, but the motor won't accept more current without more voltage.
It says if you read the manual 60
with optional gearing
Hi i hope you see this regarding the spectrum smart batteries do they use the normal balancing plug? Been looking at one but dont know if i will be able to charge it?
Yes, but I highly recommend the charger. It’s expensive but I have zero regrets.
Dude that’s crazy! My brother has a vortex and he just bought those exact same wheels! I have those wheels as well but different tires on them for my Monster Senton. Yeah, they do come out of the bead lock every once in a while. If it becomes a problem you can throw a little bit of glue in there. But I could hear the tire coming out of the bead lock as soon as you guys ran the first pass. I’m familiar with that sound LOL
I think the vortex is totally capable of 60 mph but it’s just screwing with you on purpose 😆
Dang! You should’ve been there with us.
The Vorteks does 50mph with the out of the box 18t pinion (not 17t). It does 60mph with the included 20t pinion. Also the stock tires are great for speed runs. All (non-belted) tires spin and balloon like crazy on grass. They won't do that on pavement.
2 teeth is good for 10mph?
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Mine went 55 right out of the box with a 3s 5200 mah 50c power hobby battery.
This seems really , really slow compared to my big rock. Have you guys got the throttle limiter set to 50 or 75 % on the controller or something?
Nope. 100%. (I think my big rock is faster, too.)
@@10thScaleGarage That's weird, it might be an ESC calibration issue as someone else mentioned, but that thing just doesn't sound like it's getting full power.
no its to do with diff ring gears. monster truck diff ring gears are always slightly bigger to add a little bit more torque to handle the weight of tires and car itself.
@@stuntzbelowzero7255They use the same 37t diff ring and same 57t slipper as the rest of the 3s range though, and electronics, motor etc. Only difference is this gets a included "speed" pinion.
Stock pinion is 18t, so only a 2t increase to 20t speed pinion. Truck dosn't look or sound like it is peaking out like other Vorteks.
Right? I’m starting to think he got a dud.
I love gens ace 7000 mah 60/120 3s lipo hard case batteries
is 60c good enough to wheelie?
@@firemyster4707 it lifts up the front end of my maxx!
I can’t believe I’ve never used a gens ace…. I hear nothing but good things though.
That was nuts dude, 1st run!?
Right!! Bummer.
It’s not really so much that higher c rating means higher speed. But if you aren’t using the minimal required c rating, then you won’t get the stated speed on the box. The required c rating for the Vorteks is 50C. So by using 30C, the motor won’t deliver. Also, on the box, it says that the 60+mph can only be achieved with the speed gear under optimal conditions. Remember… The motor can only pull what the battery can deliver.
could you leave a link for those tires? I want to get some for my vorteks
Duratrax Binder ST Belted 2.8" Mounted Front/Rear Tires, 14mm Black (2), DTXC5543 www.amazon.com/dp/B08C7CHZRP/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_XCBD0TQ7FCQH0643QN9C
Higher C is for punch not top speed. More so with my RC planes esp Jets. Higher C means I can keep less throttle compared to a lesser C. Also Higher C will work less and help the jet keep at X speed than a lower C at X speed. However more C means more power on tap means shorter play time.
A higher c rating helps improve your performance right if the motor can take more,right?
Yes.
Thanks for the 411
I'm a beginner, learning more thank to you. Guy 👍
The belted 'bead lock' tires are so cringe . Had to try last spring on 2wd rusty . 2 min. Into play one side diffs out and all of that 3s ripped the tire to hell . Pulled/torn from the bead about 85% around the rim . Duratrax are awesome for sub 50 mph in dirt or mud
Agreed.
I think the c rating has to do with battery internal resistance and wouldn't think it would make a difference unless there is an actual bottleneck in there. I imagine it could be measured, new batteries, same brand, different c, if you wanted to be really accurate. If the motor draws 30a, the esc can easily deliver that, and 50 c rating consistently can deliver same current up to 40a, going to a 100c wouldn't do anything.
For the record, I run the cheapest shit I can find. Fun is fun!
I’m with you.
I got 56 stock with the 18t pinion gear.
Sweet!
You vorteks did 30 stock? Mine did 55mph out of the box on 5000 mah 3s battery.
we got scammed!
I love the zee batteries. Price is awesome and have not had one buff or go dead on me in little over two years of using them. And I am not easy on anything. I drive them in deep water rain snow and full send them all the time. Great battery for the $$
I totally agree
Is there a such thing as to much battery for a 3s rc …….
That rear passenger tire looks a little wobbly... Mine just broke so I am a little sensitive. Lol
That’s because Ethan blew out the foam.
My Duratrax tires did the same thing to a tee first run and all. they refunded them which was cool but i wanted the tires more then the money obviously,lol
Right? Same here.
I have the exact same smart battery but idk if my rdx1 hi-tec charger can charge it and can my stock arrma Vorteks handle it
C rating is how much current the battery can push out for the first 20sec it only affects start up not TopSpeed a c rating thats too low will overheat the esc because its trying to get current that isn’t there
It should hit top speed way before 20 seconds.
@@10thScaleGarage yes it will but the C rating is based on 20sec it doesnt mean the battery will take 20sec to max out
I been happy with spectrum 100c 5000 mAh. I use them on my felony the best part of the batteryi check after 14 cycles ea cell still at 1 or 2 holding up well I also use a couple 6s 60c Amazon povway 4500mah work good with my kraton and Traxxas Maxx and kiuju
Yeah, I run those in boats!!
That blown wheel was obv gonna be an issue… if you see your vid intro you could see it wasn’t glued on properly. 1. You should never free wheel with belted tires
2. Proline belted tires are much better than the banditos who many people have blow outs with
It’s not glued. It’s a bead lock. The footage from the intro was filmed after the foam got blown out.
And make sure the throttle end points are set
Did it.
great video guys!!!!!
Thanks dude!!
Shenanigans!
Always! haha.
Tire is not glued.
??? Don’t know who dances better Ethan or the vortex’s . Better have a dance battle to decide who’s the champ
Good idea! Haha.
Correct they do rely on ballooning tires for the top speed
Thats crazy.
really why? this explains why the rustler is faster
@@firemyster4707 because in the r&d they test the stock tires and know they will balloon past a certain speed which will increase their diameter to give them higher top speed they are looking for to market on the box
When you switch to foam or belted you lose some top end, but you gain a lot more control and consistency/traction
Hey did you also check th trim on the remote it can to 50-75-100 for the throttle on the remote
Yes.
Thaanks for the videos boys!! But i an honestly.. My one did 55 out of the box wit the gens ace 80c
Do you think they are diffrent out if factory?
No idea.
Heavy Duratrax tyres than stock will slow it down.
All I got is Zeees two 6500s 2s’s and two 6000s 3s’s and man they jam and for the two 2s’s they jam good . I just blew my one Proline tires 🛞
Is the speed setting at 100
What are your thoughts on Gens Ace 3S Batteries?
cool runs,bummer on the blow out
I hate it when that happens.
Yeah DuraTrac is junk, if you're not blowing out tires then they're warped right out the package. I mean stuff happens but since they were open they won't take them back. Yeah I'm more of a Pro-Line tires or even RC four-wheel drive. That is crazy though ripped it apart great video everyone have a great day and don't let off the throttle... oh yeah
RC4WD Mud Slingers are my FAV!!!
I only use Zeee’s,5200,3S,80C.
Gets my big Rock doing 66mph with a 26T pinion.
Dang! That’s cookin! I got my big rock up to 59. Stock gearing….. I thought that was fast.
When tires balloon that equals more speed, this is coming from an owner of 2 arrma talions and 1 Kraton
All the packs I own are between 20-30c and I've always got plenty of power when we're racing.
Plus they are just $20-$30 battery packs. Lol
Yup! Exactly
What kind of tires did u put on them I’m looking on changing them..lol
Where did you get the roof rail protection? Cheers
Belted tires are great, but they're also heavier.
Yeah, the original tires ballooned like crazy.
I really think Ethan was upchucking on the side of the road there... Lol
Haha. Yeah maybe.
Nice boosted boiz shirt.!!!!
Ethan was in a recent boosted boiz video. Kyle let him ride his scooter with hilarious results.
um I am using 100c and getting 56 on 20 tooth
So Early, have to watch in SUPER-MEGA-ULTRA-EXTREME 360p Baby!
Oh no!
The rear tyre though....
Yeah, turns out that running with no foam is hilarious in slo-mo.
60mph 20t 50mph 17t with everything else stock
So, I give it to you that it didn't hit the 55 that I expected to see with the 17 tooth pinion, but it was a HELL of a lot closer than when it was on grass. Just saying, I've seen videos where it has hit 55 with 17 tooth and 60 with 21 tooth (Tomley RC for one). Too bad about that tire though, that's crazy for a belted tire to rip like that!
Yeah, 50 mph is respectable but still not the speed on the box!
@@10thScaleGarage bro what dont you understand about needing the optional pinion to hit the speed on the box
It says 60 on the box. The pinion helps get to 60 and it comes with the truck. So technically it can go that fast out of the box. Just gotta use what’s in the box
Great!! Do you want to try our battery? we need some vloggers experience our new product!!
Yessss new video 0:00 hahahahhha I can’t wait to watch this video
Sorry I was gone for a week!
@@10thScaleGarage it’s ok
Duratrax tires are shite.
Run DBoot Hoons 2.9s in silver compound and 17mm hubs.
If you wanna go fast.. add more teeth to the pinion.
You sure did blow that tire. The reason why I was because the only glue the outside of the wheel
There was no glue. They’re true bead locks.
Without taking those steps it won’t hit near top speed
We’ve gone through everything
Damn I don’t know what to tell you then bro sorry because I was having the same issue with my talion Took those steps and it fix my problem sorry that I didn’t fix yours
Maybe the throttle Dual rate
Is that mph?
Yes.
Do you have to use the lights that come with it?
Hmm. I’m not sure what you mean by lights…. The Vorteks doesn’t come with lights.
@@10thScaleGarage I'm sorry,I have the Hosim 1925
We’re I noticed the difference was on my RC boats. The lower “c” rated batteries were getting way too hot. I bought higher “c” rating and everything stayed much cooler. The “c” rating is the discharge rating. You might need a higher “c” rating if you notice that the motor isn’t able to get the power it needs (wires and batteries getting too hot). Of course you also need to make sure the ESC is outputting enough amps, your wiring is sufficient and your not over geared. BTW, I snagged a 100c 8000mah Zeee Lipo on prime day for only $26! I tried to buy more but it said “unavailable”.
Haha. I think we all did.
what is a good motor temp? my spektrum motor keeps getting up to 170 180 pretty quickly
I think of it just like a normal car. 200F is pretty hot... 220F is wayyy too hot and time to let it cool.
Absolutely ‼️ I use an 80c for bashing and a 50c for speed runs with my big rock..the 80c gets me up to speed faster in the dirt.
Nice!!! Big rock is quick!!!!!
Cool video