Was Your Ex a Narcissist or a Psychopath?

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  • There is one telltale difference between narcissists and psychopaths in relationships.
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  • @csw7861
    @csw7861 Год назад +97

    A point to make is that there is lots of overlap between npd and psychopathy which causes confusion. I learnt not to get hung up on a diagnosis, as essentially abuse is abuse, and in both cases the perpetrator is missing a piece

    • @josiah5776
      @josiah5776 10 месяцев назад +11

      Very well stated. Once I moved away from trying to diagnose, to simply recognizing the abuse for what it was, it enabled me to better and more quickly cut these malignant people out of my life.

    • @Nina94771
      @Nina94771 9 месяцев назад +7

      One is far more physically dangerous though, life in the balance as well as mind. Psychological abuse is awful but your life is the most precious

  • @jewlej
    @jewlej 4 месяца назад +11

    My ex psychopath has disregarded me a few times, preyed on me to come back, but we had that shared fantasy and kids. He preyed on me when we were 17, and it took me about 10-15 years to figure out what he was. I am 42 and now realize I can split myself to put up with it due to my narcissistic parents. Finally I’m so done with everyone that ever abused me in one way or another. Done. He just tried to get back in with me because of our kids and I blew up. That shows me I need way more time healing.

  • @amandametta
    @amandametta Год назад +123

    No wonder! My ex fits narcissism perfectly, only there was never a love-bombing phase. Also, the trauma-bonding and manipulation techniques were different and extreme at times - less cunning and more deliberate. What I saw in his eyes during that 3min. change-over was pure psychopathy. It may be the scariest thing I've ever seen in real life.

    • @jgalea2886
      @jgalea2886 Год назад

      yea you did the love bombing, oh by the way your probably projecting and distorting some reality of how things actually played out cuz your female, meaning your the narcist.

    • @windysmith7367
      @windysmith7367 Год назад +11

      I agree.

    • @Shanti1777
      @Shanti1777 Год назад +21

      during a discussion one night I saw that look in his eyes, it freaked me out, shocking and shaking my world. Will never forget.

  • @333reebee7
    @333reebee7 Год назад +33

    I knew one who thought his mother died in her sleep, but he didn't bother to check because it was too much trouble in the middle of the night so he went back to sleep to deal with it in the morning...thank goodness she was okay.

    • @lavjamsoflocamp
      @lavjamsoflocamp Год назад +10

      They always never like their moms😢thats why they cant like women...for whatever unresolved childhood issue. Some of us women went through trauma too but we become great moms and wives

    • @AnimosityIncarnate
      @AnimosityIncarnate 6 месяцев назад +2

      ​​@@lavjamsoflocamp Because you don't let men open up about their feelings without your coochies drying up 😂 obviously this shit goes malignant at some point

  • @emilyogles4942
    @emilyogles4942 Год назад +15

    Psychopaths have laser sight for their goal but no emotions in or from anything. Makes sense

  • @marceloabreu5749
    @marceloabreu5749 Год назад +18

    I loved the big Lebowski reference. I love the movie.

  • @juliatass6166
    @juliatass6166 Год назад +78

    My brother was diagnosed as a psychopath. To be honest narcissist is a lot softer than psychopath speaking from my experience.

    • @lingrajbpattur7777
      @lingrajbpattur7777 Год назад +32

      Publickly they ACT soft but in the Private they r the most cruel n dangerous entities .
      I am a narc abuse survivor (wife was a narc) speaking from experience.

    • @AnaSantos-gh4tf
      @AnaSantos-gh4tf Год назад

      I have a psycho father and a narcissistic mother and sister, and a narcissistic ex. The psychopath is another league, what they hide behind the mask is not the same. the narcissist sees servants, the psychopath things. The narcissist believes he is a superior special being, the psychopath is an interspecies predator. I prefer to face 5 trumps at the same time than a single putin who wants to destroy me. For me, from my experience, the narcissist is the human version of the psychopath.

    • @AnaSantos-gh4tf
      @AnaSantos-gh4tf Год назад +45

      ​@@lingrajbpattur7777 And the proof of this is that a psychopath sees the narcissist as a clown, he manipulates him as he wants. And vice versa, the narcissist knows that the psychopath is something beyond him, they dare not play with them.

    • @specialtwice4975
      @specialtwice4975 Год назад

      How do you know?
      Because narcissists will stay away from people who don't let them cross their boundaries. They don't like that. They need "yes" people.
      A psychopath doesn't care about that and will cross or try to cross your boundaries, tick, tick, ticking away at it, until you give it. Unlike narcs who get tired of such attempts, psychopaths don't stop if you say "no". They'll only stop if you leave or walk away in the beginning. But in order to do that you have to know who they are in the first place. So normal empathetic people stay...which is a win to the psychopath.
      A psychopath can, and does, manipulate a narcissist.
      I have seen it.
      The psychopath had the narcissist under their complete control.

    • @lingrajbpattur7777
      @lingrajbpattur7777 Год назад +7

      @@AnaSantos-gh4tf I meant narcs on their own …if it is narcs vs psychopaths then may b they r soft.
      But narcs vs normal people ,Soft is a word least suits them. U cannot b Evil n Still b soft !

  • @salamdeaa1278
    @salamdeaa1278 Год назад +61

    Why the hell we meet this kind of people 😭😭😭😭😭😭

    • @gorunsko31
      @gorunsko31 Год назад +18

      Perhaps We grew up with them ? I did.

    • @prathameshborkut5340
      @prathameshborkut5340 Год назад +13

      Such people are created by the society....and then the society has to face them....simple😅

    • @countessnicoleb5060
      @countessnicoleb5060 Год назад

      Do you have borderline personality disorder? Cuz I do and same

    • @allywolf9182
      @allywolf9182 Год назад +4

      I was adopted by one. Now I am a magnet for them it's very bizare

    • @lamusa2013
      @lamusa2013 10 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@prathameshborkut5340 not society mostly for their parents, my mom is narcissist and I'm all the opposite, it depends also how strong the kid/teenager is, I knew back before I won't be like her, I refused to be like her, the narcissist one I met was exactly like his narcissist dad even tho he hated him, it depends how mentally strong the kid or teenager is to fight to become into them, my defense mechanism was other different that hurt people before to get hurt, so glad I'm empathetic 😊

  • @Langolin1998
    @Langolin1998 Год назад +82

    If someone lovebombs and grooms, are they considered both, a narcissist and psychopath? Mine did both. My ex totally acted as if I didn’t exist after I separated from him and we had just gotten married. Had no concerns how I was while I was out of state trying to understand what was going on with the relationship. Wouldn’t return texts, or phone calls, and acted as if I didn’t exist. They are the most unnerving, disturbing individuals to get tangled up with!

    • @empressb444
      @empressb444 Год назад +19

      A psychotherapist said, not narcissist is a psychopath but every psychopath is a narcissist

    • @ribletsm4313
      @ribletsm4313 Год назад +10

      @Leslie Lang who knows. This is psychology according to a narcissist. Of course he thinks he's right and knows everything. He's a narcissist.

    • @Langolin1998
      @Langolin1998 Год назад +9

      @@n0426 I agree. He is the most intellectual channel for understanding how these individuals think and operate. Other channels touch on the surface layers of their behaviors…but he delves much deeper. I understand a lot more than I ever thought I would, after watching him for over a year, and it all makes sense. I can 100% connect his explanations to my ex’s behaviors.

    • @Langolin1998
      @Langolin1998 Год назад +2

      @@n0426 absolutely!

    • @shinertaz
      @shinertaz Год назад

      The poor guy I know was groomed into looking forward to a holiday then lost he’s farther two weeks before then got cruelly discarded straight after

  • @allyjay7395
    @allyjay7395 Год назад +21

    It's so hard to distinguish the difference bc they so very rarely tell the truth. I believe i am dealing with a sadistic malignant narcissist? He only seems happy but in a sick disturbing sort of way if you entertain his depravity, hang on his every word and do exactly as he commands. He has absolutely no empathy for anyone but expects it from me, he has a narrow range of emotins like he is always hateful and angry for no reason. He makes grandiose statements and holds himself in the highest regard and believes he can do no wrong and feels no remorse whatsoever. I know he is sadistic bc his sense of humor is holding sheers around a kitten's throat and poses the question "how would i react if he cut it's head off?" He got angry at me for freaking out, said i "have no sense of humor." He rules by fear and has threatened me more times than I can count but has actually drugged me, poisoned me and put stables in my food. He makes passive comments about rat poison, fentynol and how we should do shots of antifreeze. He laughs when i am too scared to eat or drink bc idk if he is just toying with me or bragging about his evil deeds like a cartoon villain. I have come down with sudden stomach pain bc he put sleeping pills in an alcoholic beverage and began accusing me of taking drugs when i voiced my pain. I only know now bc i found the bottle stashed in the back corner of a bottom cabinet. After he poisoned me, I was been bed-ridden and urinating blood in pure agony, begging him to help me and he acted as if I dont exist. I have fallen down the stairs right in front of him and there was no reaction like there is nothing inside of him. He said "don't sue me." When i spit out a mouthful of staples he put in my food, he looked me dead in the eye and said "idk who's worse, you or the cat." She has been my only friend, my saving grace in this hell. This tiny creature he disregards as just an animal, or lovebombs her to manipulate me has more empathy than he has ever shown. I was 21 years old when i met him and he's had his hooks in me ever since, he promised me the world and I was desperate in a bad way i had no where else to turn, i had no choice but to put my trust in a stranger. I knew what he was from the beginning but i never could have imagined just how much worse things could be. When he realized he couldn't control me, it started off with cruel words so I played along. I've never loved him bc I never lost sight of the monster, there's never been a phase of kindness. He loves to list off all the things he's done for me that make him a benevolent man in his mind that I never asked for, never wanted yet still expects me to be eternally grateful and worship the ground beneath his feet. But none of those things were for me or to help me, everything he has ever done has been to keep me. When i got the courage to leave him in the beginning, I went to renew my ID so I could try to find a job but he intercepted it in the mail and few months later bought a house in the woods in the middle of nowhere, miles from civilization. At first i refused, i was deadset against it and never had any intention of going. But he took all my things and lured me out here with false promises. He laughs about how he tricked me and trapped me here. The mask he wears for his family and friends is almost perfect but even when he's on his best behavior, his entitled arrogance gives him away in a way that i suppose only I can see bc I know who he really is deep down. Ive had every intention of getting away from him from the moment we moved in together but I'm sick from years of medical neglect and mentally ill from years of constant abuse and isolation. I'm trying to seek help from some social services that may help me with medicine and a shelter to stay in but the only thing that's keeping me here is my cat. It sounds so silly and pathetic but she has become the only reason I get out of bed in the morning. And bc he refuses to help me in any way, I've been unable to see a Dr to declare her an emotional support animal before she'll be allowed in the facility. I can't leave her here, we used to have 2 but he killed the other. Whether it was on purpose or not, i will never know for certain but it would not surprise me in the least. I beg him just to tell me where her body is and all will be forgiven but he can't even grant me that. He invokes her name to illicit an emotional reaction from me knowing that I know what he did. He's twisted and sick and every time i try to speak to him like a human being, offer my forgiveness if only he speaks the truth, he turns everything atound on me, I am to blame for everything and he has never apologized, never done anything wrong in his life. He is empty and he is evil but still somehow like a scared little child who just wants to be love but he is unlovable, i believe he is beyond saving and my sympathy for him ran dry long ago. I despise him and I know hate is a poison we take that only hurts ourselves but I want revenge, i deserve justice! I dont want to be like him, that is the worst thing I could possibly do to myself. But i want to see him behind bars, i want him to answer for his crimes, I want to stop him from hurting anyone ever again. Most of all, i want the world to see him for he truly is... i pray for the strength to forgive so that I might finally be free of him body, mind and soul but only time will tell. Some people are beyond redemption, some are unworthy of being forgiven especially when they feel no remorse.

    • @countessnicoleb5060
      @countessnicoleb5060 Год назад +9

      I've been in a very similar situation. I understand you feel stuck. Are there any women's shelters in the area? There are many more resources for women in abusive situations and this is abuse. Mention the cat and how you are a package deal. You may need to foster her until you get on your feet - do you get ssi? If not please apply asap. The longer you stay the worse it will get. I did 13 years (left in 2008) and the trauma I'm still working on in weekly sessions is there. Let me know if I can help. I'm in Detroit but I know people who can direct you to appropriate resources if you are in the states.

    • @kessysemon4330
      @kessysemon4330 Год назад +2

      My dear u re love and beatiful made my God so leave the cat bethind and move on. Because he using the cat to trap you to stock with him for more abuse

    • @sitascott8446
      @sitascott8446 Год назад +4

      @Ally Jay Where do you live (in general)? I feel sure that you could find someone to help you escape with your cat. I hate to think of your having to stay there with such a horrible man.

    • @kendyjolly444
      @kendyjolly444 Год назад +4

      I’m so sorry that this is happening to you, But in all honesty you are the only one that can change this situation and it sounds like you’re afraid to leave and to leave something that was never there. Do some research as of where you can go and how to get there, come up with a plan save what ever cash you can, do all of this in secret don’t let a soul know. Pray to Jesus for strength and comfort. And then when you get your plan together you and your cat leave without a single word when he is not there and never ever turn back he is going to try and contact you, don’t answer it’s a trick if you ever go back after you leave you will be punished even worse than before. GO COMPLETELY NO CONTACT!. and work on your healing and forgive and Forget about him. This is the only and best revenge to can get from him. Your not like him you can’t do him the things he’s done to you he has no remorse it’s fun to him make him feel powerful, but in reality he is a coward that’s why he hides to do evil that’s why he wears a mask, you have more power than he does.

    • @shpilkiexx
      @shpilkiexx Год назад +6

      Get your cat and go to the Police for help. Ask them to help you find a shelter that will allow you and your cat to stay and organise psychologist support for you.
      Where are you located? I really want to help you.

  • @LizEarthAngel3
    @LizEarthAngel3 Год назад +30

    The psychopath is relentless when going for the goal

  • @binopetersen
    @binopetersen 4 месяца назад +3

    Both. Cheating lying stealing.......ect ect ect.

  • @susanklein7448
    @susanklein7448 Год назад +9

    Ha I love the surprising incorporation of 'The Big Lebowski'. The Dude abides...

  • @mobwatch8119
    @mobwatch8119 10 месяцев назад +3

    He called himself a psychopath (many times). He was obviously correct.

  • @carolinemorrissey4602
    @carolinemorrissey4602 Год назад +9

    I am a recovered/ recovering borderline as the byproducts and subconcious cause of narrcassism and phycopathy . This is all energy , no escapes. Reading physcology books , intense dbt etc , will never be as enlightening as sam vakinen, you are a mine of information and i want thank you for being a huge part of my healing journey.

  • @Dani-hd1xn
    @Dani-hd1xn 7 месяцев назад +3

    Harrowing is the right word. I believe I was with a psychopath, or a malignant narcissist. You have another video about their changing states, and I'm not sure if he was a covert/doormat narcissist that got triggered to being a psychopath, but there's simply no doubt in my mind. I got away from him (temporarily, to go to my best friend's wedding after he used the pandemic to more or less jail me for 3 years), and while I was away, he filed a domestic violence order against me, forcibly separated me from my child, and when the courts dismissed it, he vanished. Now he does a 15-minute call every week with our son from god knows where. He loves the mystery, thinking it's driving me crazy. Thanks to you, Professor Vaknin, I am aware. I believe he does the 15 minute calls to be able to save some face for his family, and for it to be easier to put the blame on me when he inevitably loses custody of our son and can fully disappear. Harrowing.

  • @MrParadisio2000
    @MrParadisio2000 Год назад +21

    Very interesting video again. Unfortunately, I am afraid that I have experienced both of these types of personalities. My last love attraction, I suspect actually was a psychopath or malignant narcissist. These types of personalities are not common but common enough to meet at least once in your lifetime in either workplace or out there in the dating scene. The more people you meet the higher the chanse to meet these personalities. I recommend everyone to be very vigilant to red flags in relationships. Something that feels off in any way one should never disregard. I made the mistake to disregard and to give the benefit over the doubt with another human being as I believe most naive empathical people do.
    The malignant narcissist is a very interesting subject to learn more on I feel after my shocking but also interesting and eye opening experience.

  • @mapleleaf902
    @mapleleaf902 Год назад +13

    Thank you for the breakdown between the two types. Now I see we what I am dealing with.

  • @terrykelsey7498
    @terrykelsey7498 Год назад +3

    Very valuable description and info. Thank you Dr. Sam.

  • @camfrancisco
    @camfrancisco Год назад +7

    Gonna miss that apartment

  • @samanthabenzi6866
    @samanthabenzi6866 Год назад +7

    Thank you Prof Vaknin ! I finally understood the difference, your explanation made it very clear !

  • @Mizzie888
    @Mizzie888 Год назад +4

    Such a brilliant insightful video and information! I understand far better!

  • @luarnastrahan343
    @luarnastrahan343 9 месяцев назад +2

    Thank you, this was very helpful.

  • @eecneihappy
    @eecneihappy Год назад +20

    Hi Sam, I loved this video! Fascinating, especially about Psychopaths and Cognitive Distortions!❤ Never heard this before! Thank you so much!

  • @lisapier9894
    @lisapier9894 Год назад +1

    what an excellent teaching thank you Professor Sam.

  • @EdwardGabrielsen
    @EdwardGabrielsen Месяц назад +1

    Thanks. Still good stuff after all these years of listening to you.

  • @titusblack569
    @titusblack569 Год назад +19

    Am always here to learn

  • @hopeinhumanity.
    @hopeinhumanity. 10 месяцев назад

    Thanks for sharing your knowledge Sam 😊

  • @johnronald6115
    @johnronald6115 8 месяцев назад +3

    Okay, okay, It’s like a black bear, brown bear thing...
    If your ex stalks you, they’re a narcissist.
    If they murder you, they’re a psychopath.
    Okay, black, brown bear....
    Climb a tree....if the bears climbs up after you to kill you...black bear.
    If the bear knocks the tree over and then kills you...brown bear.

    • @AnimosityIncarnate
      @AnimosityIncarnate 6 месяцев назад +1

      If they love you still after it all, they have BPD 😂

  • @uliyankadoe118
    @uliyankadoe118 Год назад +7

    Brilliant! Very clear and well differentiated distinctions I wish all the so called "experts" knew about! I transcribed most of it and will refer to it in the future again! Thank you so much, Dr Vaknin. Your work for all of us, including Cluster-B is invaluable.
    Many years ago I realized that most of the teachings on enlightenment mimic psychopathy and narcissim, the I-care-about-nothing attitude, the sway of absolute non attachment, the 'you can do what you want but I don't care' rhetoric behind the most breathtaking veils of eloquence-all point towards a profound break from reality on the part of these supposed sages.

  • @ND-or5so
    @ND-or5so 7 месяцев назад

    Good question for the topic and title, Sam! I can't wait to see this. I have to put this on hold for later bro 😉

  • @kaleidoset2569
    @kaleidoset2569 Год назад +2

    Very informative. Thank you

  • @martiniquemccollam1802
    @martiniquemccollam1802 Год назад +1

    Thank you Prof. Sam Vaknin for your very helpful videos.

  • @kimwells7245
    @kimwells7245 Год назад +15

    My ex was a Psychopath. This was the most helpful video I've ever watched. I have no doubts now.

  • @minor12828
    @minor12828 2 месяца назад +2

    This video is gold mainly if you have seen I couple of playlist regarding the type B disorders. Maybe if I pay premium I could download it to make sure I have it for the next decades.

  • @marykathryn422
    @marykathryn422 Год назад +2

    Wow! Thank you, Sam 😘

  • @SasSas-fv9xx
    @SasSas-fv9xx 4 месяца назад +1

    Thank you for the reading , verry clear that i'am dealing with both individiuls with this disorder.

  • @runwiththewind3281
    @runwiththewind3281 Год назад +2

    thank you professor Vaknin

  • @-.-E-.-
    @-.-E-.- Год назад +1

    Thank you so much! 💙

  • @gulhayali
    @gulhayali Год назад +14

    OK shoshannim

    • @countessnicoleb5060
      @countessnicoleb5060 Год назад

      Please tell me what language is this? I'm googling and all I get is "lillies"??

    • @selcenita
      @selcenita Год назад

      Meaning?

  • @catlady6938
    @catlady6938 Год назад +5

    Thank you for this explanation I always knew I was involved with a malignant narcissist and you have now confirmed this.

  • @exprimaexprima
    @exprimaexprima 10 месяцев назад +2

    While my mom was dying in the bedroom, in a Sunday morning (she had had a very serious disease for years and getting worse and worse), my SP father was having his breakfast, quietly, in the kitchen.

  • @cristianadibartolomeo6493
    @cristianadibartolomeo6493 10 месяцев назад +1

    Fantastico .
    So overall the most important live affairs of my life I had 2 psychopaths , 3 Narci .
    Maybe a Bipolar 15yrs old daughter who refuses to be supported and cured

  • @skulpzilla2051
    @skulpzilla2051 Год назад +2

    Excellent!

  • @suzystone244
    @suzystone244 5 месяцев назад +3

    Narcissist. My pending divorce proves that to him, I am nothing.
    A figment.
    A peice of lint on a coat.

    •  4 дня назад

      Yes, but to him you are a piece of lint. To normal people you’re a person who deserves respect.

  • @sitascott8446
    @sitascott8446 Год назад +2

    That seems to generally be my question.

  • @darlamckinnon4546
    @darlamckinnon4546 Год назад +1

    For some reason, I like listening to men talk about this and I think this particular topic needs more of them.

  • @carospereman3537
    @carospereman3537 Год назад +7

    Mr. Vaknin are you moving? Your video is echoing empty house and stuff looks like it's gone. Anyway, great video today on whether my ex was a narc or psycho.

  • @antheaglocer4232
    @antheaglocer4232 Год назад +15

    I think my ex is both.

  • @wendyelliott6828
    @wendyelliott6828 Год назад +8

    What is the difference between love bombing and grooming?

  • @annabristol1125
    @annabristol1125 2 месяца назад +2

    What about mother in laws who live with you in the marriage?

  • @ribletsm4313
    @ribletsm4313 Год назад +15

    My ex didn't love bomb or groom me. He did however, groom his neice. He stalked me when we split up. The way he has described each one, it's either or, but mine switches over symptoms. I've always been positive he's a narcissist because he cares so much what people think of him, apart from those closest to him, but I think he had one or two psychopathic tendencies. He's not bothered about me now we have a daughter. This scares me. She is 18months old and is already manipulating her.

    • @ribletsm4313
      @ribletsm4313 Год назад +3

      @@OldWizard. yes, I did 😞 I just hope my daughter doesn't have to pay the price for my mistake. Don't get me wrong, he is good with her (and she quite clearly loves her daddy).. but for how long? Or will he keep manipulating her and make me out to be the bad one? His mother is just as bad, maybe worse, and he takes her there every wkd. I don't want her getting attached to his mother too.

    • @chioma5633
      @chioma5633 Год назад

      PLEASE. Are you stupid? “He is good with her”…. Can you read what you wrote again? Why do you think he would be good with the baby AND start manipulate her at the same time. It’s one thing for you to suffer from cognitive dissonance but you need to wake up for your daughter’s sake

    • @countessnicoleb5060
      @countessnicoleb5060 Год назад +7

      Yes he will manipulate her and make up stories about you - painting you as the villain. Please don't leave him alone with her. I hope you 2 (mom and daughter) can get away from him soon. I stayed way too long 13 years and I still have trauma I'm working on, I'm easily triggered and the panick attacks are no joke. Be safe

    • @ribletsm4313
      @ribletsm4313 Год назад +1

      @@Justjewels8436 the covid lockdown's kept me in the relationship because I had no one else because everyone was staying at home, and just when I was going to leave him during the last lockdown, I found out I was pregnant. I have MS and adhd. I couldn't do it on my own, but we have never lived together.

    • @ribletsm4313
      @ribletsm4313 Год назад +1

      @@countessnicoleb5060 I'm not with him anymore. He takes her every Saturday and wants more access. I got a letter from his solicitor so I have an appointment tomorrow with one. I have him on audio being emotionally abusive towards me and it's quite bad so hopefully that will help.
      Have you tried Richard Grannons mental health course? It looks very good so far. I'm getting through it. You should give it try. It's here in youtube.

  • @rossmarlin4947
    @rossmarlin4947 Год назад +10

    My wife ghosted me after 2 years of marriage August 2018 haven't heard from her since then , good riddance LoL

  • @agencyeditor8379
    @agencyeditor8379 6 месяцев назад +4

    Which personality disorder is characterized by dramatically shifting personalities often based on imitation/absorption of other people’s traits, positive or negative based on what will benefit them at the moment?

    • @samvaknin
      @samvaknin  6 месяцев назад +4

      Search the channel for "shift" and for "mimicry".

  • @catsilkmountain
    @catsilkmountain Год назад +5

    informative overview. now i’m curious about malignant narcissist vs covert borderline.

  • @toekafrank6998
    @toekafrank6998 Год назад +199

    Who cares? They are history!

    • @divinecooperation4555
      @divinecooperation4555 Год назад +14

      🤣😁

    • @kali8025
      @kali8025 Год назад +56

      History repeats😅

    • @vladacavic891
      @vladacavic891 Год назад +60

      "Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it"

    • @mfalcon6297
      @mfalcon6297 Год назад

      if they still occupy our minds, they are not exactly history.

    • @gfdhcbryk
      @gfdhcbryk Год назад +9

      Not for everyone

  • @JohnSmith-lk8cy
    @JohnSmith-lk8cy Год назад +1

    I was groomed - never love bombed. Abused to see how much I would tolerate. Stood it for 25 years!

  • @bar9092
    @bar9092 6 месяцев назад +1

    Yep my ex-husband knew exactly what he was doing. He was sadistic. Manipulative. He was a groomer. There was no love bombing. But as i didn't like being physically abused, i left him, which was completely unacceptable. So he tried to make me history. I'm lucky to be alive. That one act might make him a narcissist, but i don't think so. He was never jealous. His favorite "joke", "if you go out with someone else, make sure to bring his money home." His happy was from cruelty. Something i didn't find out until too late.

  • @Bassplayingypsy
    @Bassplayingypsy 5 месяцев назад +1

    She was both and some. Glad to be out of that horrible relationship. Phew!

  • @bouytb
    @bouytb Год назад +8

    Does secondary psychopathy show up physically, as in fuming and facial expressions along with strange angry voice tone?

  • @whynot5846
    @whynot5846 Год назад +1

    OMW!!!!! Thought my ex is a narc, but not. How wrong I am. That is sad.

  • @user-fc4zx2pp3e
    @user-fc4zx2pp3e 9 месяцев назад +2

    My mother is a malignant narcissist, and i'm a borderline. I keep dating narcissists and psychopaths. I just don't get it i guess. So i'm done dating. 😔🤡🤷‍♀️😂

  • @user-zq3kf3nm5k
    @user-zq3kf3nm5k 2 месяца назад +1

    I am tortured by psychopaths.

  • @RalucaDit
    @RalucaDit Год назад +3

    Hello,prof,i do not understand the differece between the supply and goal,they obtain it in a different way and the level of investment is different,but they still both need the supply and to achieve a goal,no? So they both need people?thanks

  • @DanielleNardi-cc3yn
    @DanielleNardi-cc3yn Год назад +2

    I’m curious recently, about why narcissism is increasingly discussed (is it actually more prevalent or not ..?), and how attachment styles relate to/with narcissism or not?

    • @guywilliamallison
      @guywilliamallison 10 месяцев назад +2

      Yes it is definitely on the increase and empath personality types seem to attractive act them like me!

  • @catherine.a.9725
    @catherine.a.9725 10 месяцев назад +1

    Both n more

  • @lauralusk9953
    @lauralusk9953 Год назад +3

    Both

  • @greeneyesthatsatisfy
    @greeneyesthatsatisfy 10 месяцев назад +2

    Sam,
    I find myself in a position of individuating from my former husband who has narcissistic and psychopathic traits. I’m constantly confused by his actions and always wondering if he is capable of actual bodily harm. He seems to take his abuse right up to the level that he can without any hard evidence of threats. He is currently pushing our divorce proceedings to the limit insisting I am not to get anything of marital assets. I am fighting the legal fight there but my concern lies more in the fact that his reality seems to have him believing he will come out on top while everyone in the real world can see he is not going to get away with this once when gets in front of the judge. Inevitably his reality is going to come crashing down and with the scale of it I am concerned in the possibility of him becoming homicidal and/or suicidal. Can you help me by sharing when one needs to be concerned with the behaviors of someone who is on the verge of a major dose of reality. His entire internal world is going to come crashing down… or will it? I appreciate your content and insight as it has helped me so much in my journey to separate and individuate but also help my children. I watch your videos daily and always find myself fascinated that you are articulating patterns I had lived with but never could put together. I hope you see this message.

    • @antonioyeats2149
      @antonioyeats2149 7 месяцев назад

      Lol sounds you're a typical woman. Trying to drum up evidence of wrongdoing where there is none. I hope he withstands your insanity 😂

    • @attheedge7712
      @attheedge7712 6 месяцев назад

      Homcidal is my concern.I have a similar legal scenario with my wife. We’re three years into the divorce and very expensive. She has dragged her feet on most discovery, lots of subpoenas now deposition and motion to compel. Plenty of fraud, deceptions along with betrayal. 20 years married. No contact last three! Uncovered evidence over the last three years. Problem is getting it presented to a judge and uncovering more instances where the greedy devil inspired spouse,wronged me. She acts above the law. Suicidal is my least worry after all the pain and agony caused. I pray this nightmare ends with justice. Fearful as the heat is applied to the pressure cooker? Her former X died mysteriously. Maybe Dr Vaknin has some insight?

  • @philosopher24680
    @philosopher24680 Год назад +11

    This video should be mandatory viewing in schools, especially in American psychology programs which seem to currently be disasters. Is there a direct connection between ASPD and Guntrip's conception of the schizoid core? I ask because ASPD resembles his conception of the split ego, but with ASPD going "all in" on the conscious ego and its task of managing the external environment as opposed to schizoid and other Cluster B's over-relying on internal objects. Or are the two unrelated?

    • @samvaknin
      @samvaknin  Год назад +7

      Unrelated. Psychopathy is an externalizing disorder.

    • @countessnicoleb5060
      @countessnicoleb5060 Год назад +5

      Yes they should teach this in all school. It should be required. Begin it in middle school then 2 more classes in high school. It would have saved me- maybe. I didn't stand a chance at 16 - I had no clue I was totally spellbound.

  • @jacqueline4365
    @jacqueline4365 Год назад +9

    Malleable, gullible, pussy cat, cutie pie 😆😆😆 So true! Because of this, recently, I fell hard once again for my narx. He was back in my life for a few weeks. I was being very strong to resist him. But one night he called me like over 20 times because he needed something. I did not continue to resist, but should have $100 later 🙄 This love bombing was, of course, only to achieve a goal, Dr. Sam. Once he got what he wanted from me... then appeared the 🥶 😈 👻 bye, bye 😼 I am the tool for sure 😢 Horrible rollercoaster when you love the person. Thank you for your videos.

  • @silverfoxjo
    @silverfoxjo 11 месяцев назад +2

    I did go no contact after being treated not good.. He now stalks...
    He is not a psychopath of malignant narcissist?

    • @legitimatepsychopath9986
      @legitimatepsychopath9986 10 месяцев назад +5

      Possibly he is a malignant narcissist. Psychopaths don't care about you and much less about your feelings. They do not pursue their victims after the termination, they lack emotional attachment (the one that is present in narcissists, but in a possessive way).

  • @TheWisdomOfTheAges_PsyM_Revd
    @TheWisdomOfTheAges_PsyM_Revd 9 месяцев назад

    Psychopaths and narcissist psychopaths are definitively what I would call "the 180 degrees experts".

  • @yanosoyella540
    @yanosoyella540 6 месяцев назад +1

    Querido Sam. Si los psicópatas te borran de su vida, qué sucede con los psicópatas qué acaban con la vida de sus víctimas y guardan objetos para su colección? Como es el caso de Dahmer?

    • @samvaknin
      @samvaknin  6 месяцев назад +1

      You - and many others - are confusing sexual sadists with psychopaths.

  • @nikaromanova2917
    @nikaromanova2917 Год назад +7

    Can a woman become a psychopath after a hard and a long abuse of malignant narcissist?

    • @samvaknin
      @samvaknin  Год назад +27

      No.

    • @nikaromanova2917
      @nikaromanova2917 Год назад +2

      @@samvaknin Thank You Prof. Vaknin !

    • @legitimatepsychopath9986
      @legitimatepsychopath9986 10 месяцев назад +1

      It's the opposite. Psychopaths who abuse narcissists. Narcissists are psychopaths' little bitches, especially in prison.

  • @Pasche-sn2et
    @Pasche-sn2et Год назад +1

    I was married to a man for five years and I still don't see the difference

  • @kalencorrie8525
    @kalencorrie8525 5 месяцев назад

    The x thing exhibits psychopathic traits albeit one: he works hard to find where the divorce is going. He has a great deal to lose. Otherwise, he couldn’t give a sht.

  • @ireneneacsu
    @ireneneacsu Год назад +4

    Couldn’t a neurotypical lovebomb because they’re on the rebound and not because they’re a narcissist?

  • @April.Hazel-2521
    @April.Hazel-2521 Год назад +6

    It’s been 3yr post divorce. Seen so many videos on NPD (Sam’s my ❤) however, I can’t Stop ruminating about him😢. When will this go away? Thx Sam!!!!

    • @productioninquiry8937
      @productioninquiry8937 Год назад +8

      Stop watching the videos. Learn about rebuilding a healthy solo life, not trying to better understand narcissism.

    • @marinagoode3478
      @marinagoode3478 Год назад +1

      When you find and love yourself 😘

    • @countessnicoleb5060
      @countessnicoleb5060 Год назад +1

      Therapy. Lots of therapy

  • @Nsac89
    @Nsac89 10 месяцев назад +2

    Is it possible to have all 4 cluster B personality disorders?

    • @samvaknin
      @samvaknin  10 месяцев назад +4

      Yes, but very rarely.

    • @antonioyeats2149
      @antonioyeats2149 7 месяцев назад

      😂 buying into this shit at all makes you one of those rare ones who has every possible mental illness. You are in fact the toxic one dood

  • @shahnazbi8346
    @shahnazbi8346 7 месяцев назад

    What shoes neem mean doctor?

  • @sargonmalek5579
    @sargonmalek5579 Год назад +2

    What does “shoshoneem” mean again?

    • @selcenita
      @selcenita Год назад +1

      Sounds like a mispronounced version of the Korean word for “my teacher” (sonsaengneem)

  • @charyou7709
    @charyou7709 7 месяцев назад +3

    I wish there were more information on Female psychopaths..There psychopathy is much more subtle and difficult to spot...Thank you, so much Doctor Vaknin

    • @samvaknin
      @samvaknin  7 месяцев назад +3

      Female factor 2 psychopathy is BPD.

  • @lenkabahdia5661
    @lenkabahdia5661 Год назад +2

    Thank you.
    And what about Twinflames, Soulmates (divine Feminine and divine Masculine …Angels etc.) maby you would be so nice and to that „Naming“ bringing light 💡 for us ?
    Stay just gorgerous Mr.Professor.
    Blessings🎉

    • @samvaknin
      @samvaknin  Год назад +4

      Maybe you would search my channel?

  • @meri.dilkidhadkan
    @meri.dilkidhadkan 6 месяцев назад

    My ex was a narcissist

  • @AhmadAhmad-zp2rg
    @AhmadAhmad-zp2rg 5 месяцев назад +1

    Mr sam vaknin. Is malignant narcissism closer to psychopathy or is it just pathetic narcissists copying psychopathic techniques (by watching movies such as joker)

    • @samvaknin
      @samvaknin  5 месяцев назад +1

      The former.

    • @AhmadAhmad-zp2rg
      @AhmadAhmad-zp2rg 5 месяцев назад +1

      In that case can you expound more on the differences between MN and pyschopath in your video you gave a brief statement that they are virtually indistinguishable but if I could please bother you to go in detail

  • @oliviamiller7434
    @oliviamiller7434 Год назад +2

    Quite honestly, if you’re not sure, they aren’t. The clinical types are way different animals, in my opinion.

  • @countessnicoleb5060
    @countessnicoleb5060 Год назад +3

    Lolz the shrink said my ex was a sociopath and npd(covert). He love bombed me at 16 - but maybe he was just mirroring his best friend (overt npd) who I'm currently married to! Npd w my bpd seems manageable. We listen to eachother and call eachother out on bs. Plus years of therapy helps.

  • @2hetig
    @2hetig 10 дней назад

    Do psychopaths just forget about you and move on even if youre the one who breaks up?

    • @samvaknin
      @samvaknin  10 дней назад

      Or they become vengeful.

    • @2hetig
      @2hetig 9 дней назад

      @@samvaknin but no hoovering?

    • @JamesGallagher90
      @JamesGallagher90 2 часа назад

      @@2hetig You need to remember, psychopaths don't view other people like regular people do. They have ZERO empathy. Zero. They can pretend they do, but there is none. So yes they can and do hoover. But it's because they think you can serve them again. But make no mistake - they do not care and never did it. You are an object - to be thrown away whenever they feel like it. But you may be picked up and used again at some point too. My advice? Just stay away and don't get manipulated back in. I can't stress this enough - they do not and will not ever care. Not even a little bit. And if you are no longer of use to them, you will be thrown away. BUT hey having said that, it depends, if you continue to be of use to them - they will keep you. And if they can be of use to you - fine, you're never truly safe, but you can take that risk if you want. But they will NEVER care for you in the way that every other human (who is not a psychopath) would like them to.

  • @moonmaiden7234
    @moonmaiden7234 11 месяцев назад

    Can a narcissist create narcissistic or borderline personality children?

    • @samvaknin
      @samvaknin  11 месяцев назад +1

      Search the channel.

    • @moonmaiden7234
      @moonmaiden7234 11 месяцев назад

      @@samvaknin thank you

  • @henryj5550
    @henryj5550 4 месяца назад +1

    there is not a single minute of these videos that isn't deeply instructive

  • @veronica3591
    @veronica3591 10 месяцев назад +2

    He pick up left stop calling me when I called him. He was angry did not wanna talk to me. He was after the next.

  • @ang1945
    @ang1945 Год назад +4

    Master of psych. (My gr mother 1918 Irish lived 98yrs told me i gave her comfort to be her no dementia no questions just a back to basics i call it awareness of the moment in its entirety.) told me 13 years of experience youre considered master of) i agree . Woodswooman water woman. ) Okayyy Much awareness brought from your you tube channel which i am grateful for. Do you have a book of your own professional opinion awareness of psychopath malignants in detail as i can have in my library as a resource? Simple brochure type as i traumatic brain injury which i beli e is just brain aeareness is hightened profoundly and sense understanding of psychopath may be relate i believe. I am quarter Hungarian my grandfather is a huge influence on my perception. Your awareness i relate ive been a woodsman other for 15 years. Nature and no talking was profoundly attractive would love to chat w you one day. I provided federal government formula traumatic brain injurt as i was being penalized beyond my control due to academics taught does not acknowledge this energy we as human beins obtain. I feel may be able to experience both ends of spectrum depending on environment largly natural smeels sounds. As emath to psychopath. Depending on my awareness of others personalities. A conversation obtaining substance if you will for lack of better term, i feel youre perception is a valiable resource that would suit me. Independent Medicals massage therapist jeweler professional myself and sargent of security gerber baby foods in past FYI. past. ........ USA Great Lake's State obtain captains liscense for water motor craft. Id like to schedule an appointment via zoom or phone as radiation from cellular devices effect my cognitive coordination vision word recall. Hence shirt or simple conversation is preferred patience im not social media savy since i ternet as i made designed computer programming with my mother in my teens. This new era is dangerous now that ive woke up tbi if you will. Healed some. I have challenging questions and i believe you would be interested. Pursuing an appointment of professional discussion with Prof Sam Vanikin is a bucket list moment for me. A little humor best Angela Takacs texting is draining as hell. Not worth correct due to impact on my brain, radiation . Zoom seeking potential patient client. Even financial as economic is also a huge part of my reality. Much thanks from Michigan.

  • @veronica3591
    @veronica3591 10 месяцев назад +1

    I think my ex was both a narcissist and a psychopath the trades you explain my ex have them in manipulate is called and calculated he loves bomb then he disappear with no no trace

  • @mariorocher6279
    @mariorocher6279 2 месяца назад

    If the Psychopath is not invested in anything or anyone whatsoever, where is he going?, what is he trying to achieve with his laser like, one pointed, goal oriented, drive, persona?. Just raw personal power? independently of anything he might be doing, involved with, pursuing? etc..

    • @samvaknin
      @samvaknin  2 месяца назад

      Yes.

    • @mariorocher6279
      @mariorocher6279 2 месяца назад

      @@samvaknin Thank you Professor Vaknin! very enlightening!

  • @osamabinpawning123
    @osamabinpawning123 2 месяца назад +1

    Damn I want to be a psychopath. Sounds so chill not caring or feeling anything

    • @JamesGallagher90
      @JamesGallagher90 2 часа назад

      No, you don't. They're not experiencing life like you and I. There is a coldness there. And it's not as good as it sounds. Psychopaths have even known to be actively trying to do things so they DO feel something and they can't and never will. Being a psychopath is being less than human. It's more like being an animal, like a shark. Soulless really. Empty inside. Being a psychopath is a less evolved being, don't forget that.