@Jennifer Davis sounds like you need to read the comment again Jennifer. It’s one thing being say naive, and people indicating it to you in different ways. Yes, if you spot it you can work on it, but then decent people wouldn’t say it to you so bluntly in a way that makes you feel bad. It’d come in subtle hints and indicators you’d notice. What’s happening here is people are projecting onto Tiffany, from her mother to family to friends and men. People are instinctive and see her as a sponge, an easy target. It’s a sad but true fact about society. She was too young when it started that she doesn’t see it, that’s why she didn’t defend herself. Why her self defence eventually did come up in the worst way. If you watch her backstory, her mother literally told her at the age of ten when she gets her period “men will want more from you, it’s best to just give it to them.” She didn’t understand then but did, that’s why she now does just that. She never learnt what we see happening to even understand it’s wrong, and it’s not because she was stupid, it’s because she was abused and put down so much that she didn’t know how to protect, honour and defend herself. It’s vulnerability, not weakness. It takes a certain kind of outlook and wisdom to see past the obvious.
Pensatucky had so many layers to her character. I went from hating her to feeling sorry for her and then respecting her. Poor girl tried to do good in jail and in the end she dies in there. So fkn sad
I used to hate Tiffany, but then after learning about her past more & when she stopped acting like an bible bumping nut, she became my favorite character ever
@@LifeisaBeautifulting I agree it was a tragic end but she wasn't killed off, the series was over. Tiffany's death made alot of sense, she never had a chance with parents like her's and as soon as her boyfriend left she got raped. Why wouldn't she OD right before finding out she succeeded at something for the first time? Her story was one of the saddest 💔
Yeah but I get why she was a Bible thumper too. She was grasping for anything that could give her some sort of guidance or make some sense of her crazy life
I can see why Tiffany turned out the way she did her parents was pathetic she actually had a lot of potential but no one believed in her she’s highly intelligent
Um actually no, she wasn't. I had a roommate like Tiffany and I can tell you it wasn't easy. It was like constantly babysitting a child. I had to remember that she has a learning disability but sometimes it was hard having to teach her stuff that was common sense to most people. I had to teach her that you don't have to cook everything on high heat. She would literally make fried eggs on high heat. I kept telling her that she was going to start a fire and burn the building down but she didn't care. She literally told me that she had a learning disability and needed help but the minute I tried to teach her something she would yell at me and tell me she wasn't stupid. Sometimes I wanted to look at her and go yes you fucking are and this is why I have to teach you this stuff. I know I sound like a terrible person but trust me, you don't know what it's like having to live with somebody like that everyday. It's not her fault but I honestly think that she was not capable of handling things on her own and probably should have been in a home.
@@mersaedesbarkley3059 school was never easy for me, others didn't even read and passed tests easily, but when I studied hard, I still failed sometimes
Someone really said that if ppl tell u ur stupid so many times it’s prob true and to know urself. The ableism was shining strong. Ofc it was a Jennifer as well 🙄
I wouldn't necessarily call it a learning disability. They were both smart, they just had dyslexia. Too bad in the town they lived in there probably wasn't any teachers educated enough to know what dyslexia in children and teens looks like. A tutor and a good therapist would've solved a lot of their issues.
I love it when that happens & with Sons of Anarchy Gemma I had a love/hate with her character. It is like you love her , but then she does something evil then good then evil. 😂 It takes a lot of talent for a writer & actor/actress to pull that off
i watched this scene at least 3 times & now that i think about it , he’s the one who was dumb & couldn’t read . so he took it out on his daughter and called her dumb when she wasn’t dumb at all
@@stephenmarshall7942 yeah , i never noticed that until now . she really thought she was stupid and didn’t apply herself all because she believed him .
I don't think the idea was to say that he's dumb. It was to show that she got her dyslexia from her father. Neither got help for their disability but were instead made to feel dumb for it. Her father treated her as stupid for having the same learning disability as himself, continuing the pattern of abuse he himself received.
I just stumbled across this scene, my dad was the same way with me. It feels somewhat good to relate to some people on here but there are nights I stay up replaying in my head what my dad used to call me. It was even more difficult that I stutter and have a learning disability.
I had a fishing partner like this last year, treated me the same like this disability guy, end it up throwing my big two fish back in the lake, a trophy size fish too could’ve won the whole thing. This year I ended up winning first place. My former partner has this regret look on his face lol. Those of you people going through this, keep your head up and be strong.
I love doggett. Beneath all the trauma and bullshit that her god awful parents put her through. Shes a sweetheart. I feel for her when watching this scene. It drives the point home and gives a whole understanding of why shes the way she is. It hits home for me. Having parents whos drug addicted will do some things to you growing up. I can relate to her cuz my mother was hooked on drugs and smoking crack. At first i just thought she was a total stuck up bitch who thought she was hard and who thought she was better than everybody cuz she thought she had devine powers to healing people. But as the show went on. I realized that its so much more to her than whats on the surface. And yes its so true. Words hurt more than beatings in itself
That's so fucked up! I hope you know that you deserve love and kindness and that it's their problems that made them treat you this way not your personality
Oh Bobby Pitts you deserve only love and kindness from your family. I am so sorry they treat you like that. Someday they'll realize that they only need to love you and show it in a kind way. I do realize we don't know each other but if you ever want to talk about it I will listen to you and Im here for you.
I found it interesting that they they have the dad mention Catholicism twice, when from what I know it’s shown that she was raised in a fiery born-again kind of church.
My best friend and I are both 50. Seems like almost every day she laments not having had a dad, and almost every day I have yet another memory to share that makes her grateful to NOT have had one, at least not MINE, anyway. It would hurt not to have one, it really would, but always try and remind yourself of what you were SPARED from, hopefully that offsets some of the pain.
A horrible father and none father (of course not if he passed away) Are pretty much the same for me. I don‘t see them as a father figure, rather just the producer.
I was treated the exact same way, but if i would've been caught with drugs, i would've been beat within an inch of my life. So at least he shared his crack after emotionally abusing her
That poor girl didn't deserve any if this her mom told her to let men do whatever they wanted to her and her dad treated her like garbage they both made her feel so bad about herself that poor girl deserved so much better
I don't get it man. I have a daughter, she is 5, I can't ever imagine treating her like some kind of chain around my neck.. like she isn't worth everything to me. You're supposed to lift your kids up as high as they can go, not drag them through the damn mud. I know it's a show, but there are parents like this I'm sure we all know this. Bastards.
Calling her stupid and dumb when he cannot even read the map himself, thats like the pot calling the kettle black. I mean, they both clearly have the same issue, but the point of him verbally abusing her for not being able to read map and catch fish when he cannot do it himself... is just wow.
whenever I hear people complain that all Trump voters (basically half of the country) are a lost cause - I wish they would take a breath and think of scenes like this. There are a lot of people in that group who find themselves at a point Tiffany once did, and it's up to us to show them compassion instead of always mocking them. That's the only way we can heal.
they're not going to cotton to your condescension, bro. you're going to wind up in the same concentration camp along with the rest of us. the only way to deal with people who hate you is to break their morale, deter them, not appease them - appeasement only encourages aggression.
@@krystingrant6292 "I hope little white girls get raped by black men", "If you don't vote for me then you ain't black", "I hope we kill all white people". Those quotes sure as hell didn't come from trump supporters.
I feel the same. It’s sad how their minds and lives and gotten them to the place of feeling that someone like trump is good. He’s an abusive father type and so many people are used to that feeling they feel at home with it. It’s beyond sad
When u get called something so much for so long, u begin to believe it yourself
Yep
@@AngelicMistyStorm Pretty sure she meant it in a positive way and not directly towards that girl from the show..
@Jennifer Davis sounds like you need to read the comment again Jennifer.
It’s one thing being say naive, and people indicating it to you in different ways. Yes, if you spot it you can work on it, but then decent people wouldn’t say it to you so bluntly in a way that makes you feel bad. It’d come in subtle hints and indicators you’d notice.
What’s happening here is people are projecting onto Tiffany, from her mother to family to friends and men. People are instinctive and see her as a sponge, an easy target. It’s a sad but true fact about society. She was too young when it started that she doesn’t see it, that’s why she didn’t defend herself. Why her self defence eventually did come up in the worst way. If you watch her backstory, her mother literally told her at the age of ten when she gets her period “men will want more from you, it’s best to just give it to them.” She didn’t understand then but did, that’s why she now does just that. She never learnt what we see happening to even understand it’s wrong, and it’s not because she was stupid, it’s because she was abused and put down so much that she didn’t know how to protect, honour and defend herself. It’s vulnerability, not weakness.
It takes a certain kind of outlook and wisdom to see past the obvious.
Hey it runs in the family. Is what i would would say to him
Pensatucky had so many layers to her character. I went from hating her to feeling sorry for her and then respecting her. Poor girl tried to do good in jail and in the end she dies in there. So fkn sad
I used to hate Tiffany, but then after learning about her past more & when she stopped acting like an bible bumping nut, she became my favorite character ever
yeah i think she had the best character development of all
Mine too in season2 loved her Pipper annoyed me the other characters I liked.
@@fluffycottoncandy937 Yeah best character development just to be killed off
@@LifeisaBeautifulting I agree it was a tragic end but she wasn't killed off, the series was over.
Tiffany's death made alot of sense, she never had a chance with parents like her's and as soon as her boyfriend left she got raped. Why wouldn't she OD right before finding out she succeeded at something for the first time? Her story was one of the saddest 💔
Yeah but I get why she was a Bible thumper too. She was grasping for anything that could give her some sort of guidance or make some sense of her crazy life
I can see why Tiffany turned out the way she did her parents was pathetic she actually had a lot of potential but no one believed in her she’s highly intelligent
And the sad thing is that taystee found out she passed , after she killer herself . Really sad
@@catherineo668 it’s so sad like she went her whole life thinking she was stupid when she passed all along
I really related to her on this
Um actually no, she wasn't. I had a roommate like Tiffany and I can tell you it wasn't easy. It was like constantly babysitting a child. I had to remember that she has a learning disability but sometimes it was hard having to teach her stuff that was common sense to most people. I had to teach her that you don't have to cook everything on high heat. She would literally make fried eggs on high heat. I kept telling her that she was going to start a fire and burn the building down but she didn't care. She literally told me that she had a learning disability and needed help but the minute I tried to teach her something she would yell at me and tell me she wasn't stupid. Sometimes I wanted to look at her and go yes you fucking are and this is why I have to teach you this stuff. I know I sound like a terrible person but trust me, you don't know what it's like having to live with somebody like that everyday. It's not her fault but I honestly think that she was not capable of handling things on her own and probably should have been in a home.
@@babyhandgrenade4004 probably because your a terrible person fuck you
this is sad scene for two reasons
1. Her dad is awful
2. It is a struggle to have learning disability, you feel dumb sometimes and it sucks
Number 2 is right up in that alley for me and its really hit hard to home for my childhood 😥
@@mersaedesbarkley3059 school was never easy for me, others didn't even read and passed tests easily, but when I studied hard, I still failed sometimes
Someone really said that if ppl tell u ur stupid so many times it’s prob true and to know urself. The ableism was shining strong. Ofc it was a Jennifer as well 🙄
I wouldn't necessarily call it a learning disability. They were both smart, they just had dyslexia. Too bad in the town they lived in there probably wasn't any teachers educated enough to know what dyslexia in children and teens looks like. A tutor and a good therapist would've solved a lot of their issues.
It's amazing how they took a character that I couldn't stand and made me love her. Along with Fig.
I used to “strongly dislike” her too but after seeing this I feel sad for her
yeah i started loving Fig too after she left the prison
I love it when that happens & with Sons of Anarchy Gemma I had a love/hate with her character. It is like you love her , but then she does something evil then good then evil. 😂 It takes a lot of talent for a writer & actor/actress to pull that off
i watched this scene at least 3 times & now that i think about it , he’s the one who was dumb & couldn’t read . so he took it out on his daughter and called her dumb when she wasn’t dumb at all
Agreed
@@stephenmarshall7942 yeah , i never noticed that until now . she really thought she was stupid and didn’t apply herself all because she believed him .
I don't think the idea was to say that he's dumb. It was to show that she got her dyslexia from her father. Neither got help for their disability but were instead made to feel dumb for it. Her father treated her as stupid for having the same learning disability as himself, continuing the pattern of abuse he himself received.
He could read, he just had dyslexia.
Her dad was angry and took it out on his kid.When someone calls you stupid enough times you start to believe it. Sad. 😢
That’s a decent size fish too. My Dad would’ve let me keep it.
He did keep it ! I agree
I’ve never been fishing and I thought that was a good size
It's ok for eating but they were in a contest.
Well... this was heart breaking.
Her whole backstory was heartbreaking
no litarley saddest thing ever
What an awful “father”. And I use that term loosely.
They are out there though , even worse than him ... its scary . Some even beat the mother in front of the child .. Mental Scars for life .
@@jefffromjersey52 😆
I just stumbled across this scene, my dad was the same way with me. It feels somewhat good to relate to some people on here but there are nights I stay up replaying in my head what my dad used to call me. It was even more difficult that I stutter and have a learning disability.
this flashback was genuinely hard to watch tbh
My dad was a drug addict like this guy and more or less treated me the same way Growing up
You saw the light and it shines on you
I never did do drugs like that with my parents.
I'm sorry. Hugs.
I’m sorry x
😆
I had a fishing partner like this last year, treated me the same like this disability guy, end it up throwing my big two fish back in the lake, a trophy size fish too could’ve won the whole thing. This year I ended up winning first place. My former partner has this regret look on his face lol.
Those of you people going through this, keep your head up and be strong.
😆
This goes to show that everyone is the way they are for a reason.
OITNB will always be my favorite, because the show reminds us that everyone has a story
Some people don't deserve to raise kids. Tiffany deserved better parents.
i just finished this entire show i’m obsessed
Im late but same
same here, just watched the finale yesterday 🥲
Im sad... Too much sadness i feel for pens death. I'm attached to her character and her maturity throughout the seasons.
I love doggett. Beneath all the trauma and bullshit that her god awful parents put her through. Shes a sweetheart. I feel for her when watching this scene. It drives the point home and gives a whole understanding of why shes the way she is. It hits home for me. Having parents whos drug addicted will do some things to you growing up. I can relate to her cuz my mother was hooked on drugs and smoking crack. At first i just thought she was a total stuck up bitch who thought she was hard and who thought she was better than everybody cuz she thought she had devine powers to healing people. But as the show went on. I realized that its so much more to her than whats on the surface. And yes its so true. Words hurt more than beatings in itself
Spending Quality time with her DAD.... what a complete jagoff he was .
My family always treated me like this too
Same, they tear you down before you even make it to society
That's so fucked up! I hope you know that you deserve love and kindness and that it's their problems that made them treat you this way not your personality
@@itslilibabes thank you for that. Means a lot
@@sentientcabbageman4140 Amen to that.💛🥺
Oh Bobby Pitts you deserve only love and kindness from your family. I am so sorry they treat you like that. Someday they'll realize that they only need to love you and show it in a kind way.
I do realize we don't know each other but if you ever want to talk about it I will listen to you and Im here for you.
Some people really don’t have a chance in this world.
I found it interesting that they they have the dad mention Catholicism twice, when from what I know it’s shown that she was raised in a fiery born-again kind of church.
Makes sense. A lot of Protestants don’t think Catholics are true Christians
I myself am Catholic, I see so much born agains HATE on Catholics. It's a normal occurrence unfortunately.
It makes me wonder would you rather have a bad father thats there or no father at all ,I never had mine and my mother said I was better off
My best friend and I are both 50. Seems like almost every day she laments not having had a dad, and almost every day I have yet another memory to share that makes her grateful to NOT have had one, at least not MINE, anyway.
It would hurt not to have one, it really would, but always try and remind yourself of what you were SPARED from, hopefully that offsets some of the pain.
Yeah better off without a father than a father like that.
I don’t have a dad and I feel like shit but having a dad like that would have been worse
A horrible father and none father (of course not if he passed away) Are pretty much the same for me. I don‘t see them as a father figure, rather just the producer.
@@widowrumstrypze9705 😆
I was treated the exact same way, but if i would've been caught with drugs, i would've been beat within an inch of my life. So at least he shared his crack after emotionally abusing her
Tiffany story is the saddest to me.
She deserved so much better..
That poor girl didn't deserve any if this her mom told her to let men do whatever they wanted to her and her dad treated her like garbage they both made her feel so bad about herself that poor girl deserved so much better
very mean very sad.
I don't get it man. I have a daughter, she is 5, I can't ever imagine treating her like some kind of chain around my neck.. like she isn't worth everything to me. You're supposed to lift your kids up as high as they can go, not drag them through the damn mud. I know it's a show, but there are parents like this I'm sure we all know this. Bastards.
Because he's a drunk and crackhead, those are his priorities
She was one of my favorites...........
Calling her stupid and dumb when he cannot even read the map himself, thats like the pot calling the kettle black. I mean, they both clearly have the same issue, but the point of him verbally abusing her for not being able to read map and catch fish when he cannot do it himself... is just wow.
Tiffany Doggett remind me of someone and she remind me of her and her father is a dead beat. 😢
Poor baby girl 😢😢
It's not that he can't read, he's dyslexic.
...or drunk or high on crack
@@stephenmarshall7942 both
It was definitely drugs
@@stephenmarshall7942 he's clearly dyslexic.
@@stephenmarshall7942 No, dyslexia. I would know.
Hey, it's like "family."
Does anyone else think she looked like Hermione in the thumbnail?
An endless hopeless cycle. Her mom wasn't shit either giving her gallons of Mountain Dew.
so they're both dyslexic.
Why is she and her dad the same age? 😂
Probably generations of inbreeding
Aw atleast they bond over the crack pipe 🤣
I always felt like Tara should have played Tanya Harding in iTanya
Sad 🥺🥺
i feel so bad for penn, her dad is just awful
whenever I hear people complain that all Trump voters (basically half of the country) are a lost cause - I wish they would take a breath and think of scenes like this. There are a lot of people in that group who find themselves at a point Tiffany once did, and it's up to us to show them compassion instead of always mocking them. That's the only way we can heal.
But the racism is no excuses a few are racist
they're not going to cotton to your condescension, bro. you're going to wind up in the same concentration camp along with the rest of us. the only way to deal with people who hate you is to break their morale, deter them, not appease them - appeasement only encourages aggression.
Until they try to kill us
@@krystingrant6292 "I hope little white girls get raped by black men", "If you don't vote for me then you ain't black", "I hope we kill all white people". Those quotes sure as hell didn't come from trump supporters.
I feel the same. It’s sad how their minds and lives and gotten them to the place of feeling that someone like trump is good. He’s an abusive father type and so many people are used to that feeling they feel at home with it. It’s beyond sad
What season and episode was Tiffany’s story told ?
I thought it was emma watson on the cover
😢😢😢
🥺
That ain't no dad from a dad
Jesus is our king
What does that comment have to do with this clip?
oh god shut the fuck up
@@stephenmarshall7942 maybe if anyone here had Him, poor Dogget wouldn’t have ended up the way she did. That’s what.
ban mass
Okay sure but what does that have to do with the clip?
i don’t remember this scene??
It’s called a flashback
Which episode??
Don't know episode but it was the last season.
:(
name?
Wht Season and ep
The last season one of the last ones
Seriously is this all they do?.Complain about guys?.How unoriginal.