At the end of the video I mention a picture of all the boards, well I didn't take it in time... so here it is now ;) twitter.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/1161069976251293697
@@Hardwareunboxed Yeah, that's from most major retailer but I found a cheaper one at $341 after posting it. The Asrock board seems to be the cheapest in Australia at $338
Thank you for all this hard work. I currently am running the Crosshair Hero VI with a 3600X. I have been considering a mb upgrade but maybe next year at the earliest. I was considering just going with another Crosshair Hero, but the Gigabyte Aorus Master is very tempting. But as you point out in this video you don't HAVE to pay $300+ for good performance with future upgradability. I hope you get some sleep, you have been putting in the hours. I don't want you to get sick, I hope you find a way to automate some of this work.
Good to see the testing. This stuff not only helps consumers but also if the manufacturers are sharp they would learn from this too. Was too bad to see the MSI board do poorly after a pretty stellar B450 lineup.
The Tuf-Gaming had allready caught my attention for the features it provides at 200$. Here in Greece it reatails for about 240€ for the wi-fi model and i was just waiting for your review before making the purchase. I think it will make an excellent pair with the r7 3700X. Great job as allways, Steve. Thank you mate!!!
Thx for the great Video - I would've chosen the wrong board to be honest (wanted the MSI X570-a pro). Going with the Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite now - You have been a tremendous help!!!!!
Kamal Mahmud umm no... Only sector ASRock are competitive in B450 is the ultra cheap where their B450M-HDV is the best option. MSI completely dominate all other price points.
Thanks for the review! Bought the MSI Gaming Plus(same VRM?) and saw this the day before it got delivered. Returned it right away and ordered the Aourus Elite instead.
whats crazy is im running the gaming edge and its great. the power phase is lackluster especially with the 5000 series cpu. my vrm temps have never gone above 65-70 at full load but then again im a temp nut so im always using great airflow cases.
I went with the TUF x570 Plus WiFi based off Gamers Nexus/ Buildzoid's recommendation of its VRM. As I got a 5900x 12 for cpu and am overclocking I needed something good. It's done perfectly well holding a 4.8Ghz all core OC.
@@enthusiasticgmgaming4165 The Taichi is a good board because it is cheaper than other boards with similar features and has a decent VRM. The Phantom Gaming X on their other hand is just a Taichi + 2.5G lan and is one of the weaker boards at the higher price point.
The entire line of Gigabyte's X570 boards have good VRMs across the board. So there really is no concern. Even their cheapest Gaming X which is not of the Aorus line has a respectable 10-phase VRM.
Thanks for testing these. I went with the tuf gaming X570 plus WiFi and it really is an excellent board for the price. Works really well with my 3700x.
I still don't understand why 99% of all Hardware channels tested the 700$ boards first. Only a very small group of people will buy them. But for the tests of the budget boards, which most people will buy, you have to wait month.
Thanks for this video. It's good to see the $200 range boards go through some tests. I went with the Aorus Elite in my build based off of Buildzoid's early review of the various pricing tiers of X570 boards and I looks like I chose a good one.
Thanks for these tests. Originally I planned to buy the Asus tuf gaming, and after watching this video I am pleased with my decision, I hope to build a mid range gaming PC with the ryzen 5 3600 and 5700XT red devil.
@@alexworm1707 Define "better". TUF Gaming has a WiFi option but has crappy Realtek LAN. It has debug LEDs but no BIOS flashback. Aorus Elite has flashback but no debug LEDs, Intel LAN, USB-C header, and the WiFi option is only available in some markets (allegedly - it's not out yet, either way). Both have great VRMs (the Aorus Elite edges out the TUF Gaming slightly; not that it matters) so that's not an issue for either board. Honestly, I don't see why you'd say the TUF Gaming board is better. It's about even with the Aorus Elite, and which one is "better" for _you_ depends on what you need/want. And on a personal level, after ASUS' little marketing stunt recently, I'd go for Gigabyte's boards over ASUS' any day of the week.
Yeah I took a note of his thoughts that "ASUS have made this board too good at the price range" a few weeks ago and this tallies exactly. I'm deciding between this and the ASUS Prime X470 Pro (which Steve recommended in another video) which is a little cheaper for my current 2700 (OCd) and later probably a 3800x or 3900x.
how is the tuf? how loud is the fan? i bought the elite but it has bad coil whine from the vrm and others have the same issue. im just concerned about the tuf fan noise.
It's not, because there are no boards right now. AORUS had an ITX board at launch and an mATX Biostar board has been pictured recently (not sure on the availability), but that's pretty much it.
Watched one video from buildzoid about the Asus boards and VRMs when I knew nothing about what a VRM was at the time, and ended up going with the Asus tuf x570. I'm happy with my purchase.
The problem with the ASUS Tuf is the fan placement for the chipset. It sits underneath a GPU if you have a nice big one, so you get hot air blowing into a chipset. Asrock has the same problem. The Gigabyte Aorus line has the chipset fan placed further down the board so the GPU isn't over it and same with different MSI boards. The Asrock boards as said have the chipset fan too close to the GPU, but also have those SCREWED up memory slots with retaining clips on one side only and comments sections on retail sites have LOTS of comments about people having memory problems. I've bought a few Asrock boards with these memory retention systems and I had a problem with some but not others. To me Asrock is a pass until they get sensible with memory retention clips for both sides like EVERY other board maker. The best thing about the Steel Legend and Asrock X570 boards in general is the spacing between the X16 slots. For the other 3, the 2nd physical X16/electrical X8 slot is 3 slots away and the Steel Legend is 4 slots away. But nowadays there are better X570 boards, from MSI the X570 Unify is a great board and the one company I've found to make a fanless chipset X570S that I trust is Gigabyte with their Aorus line. I had MSI boards crap out with devices connected through their fanless X570S chipset, so I think the chipset got too hot. The Gigabyte X570S Auros Elite is about the best thing out there with the different ports it has (USB3.2 gen2x2) without costing an arm and a leg and STILL has 3 NVMe ports which used to be the domain of the most expensive X570 boards. Asrock got smart and finally moved the chipset fan further down the MB with their ASRock X570 PG VELOCITA, but I believe it still only has one side latching for the memory sticks, so pass, and it only has 2 NVMe ports so compared to the Gigabyte X570S Auros Elite it's not a contest. And if you don't need all these features, why buy an X570 board? Buy B550 instead.
The TUF in the 1.4v test is really telling. Those temps beat anything else, despite the low price point of this motherboard. Although I find it odd that there is no VRM thermal sensor, this board seems to be an amazing value
was concidering taking my AORUS Elite out of the basket due to the store not having it in stock, to get the MSI one instead for my r9 build, so glad i watched this. worth waiting an extra week
MSI basically copypasted same old outdated design VRM from B450 and what was OK good in them is very low end in X570. Asus and Gigabyte who both had some pretty much scam level VRMs again took hold of themselves and changed to strong modern design VRMs. (except for X570 Gaming X)
Very nice video. Makes me very happy with my recent purchase of the Asus X570 Tuf. Have a Ryzen 7 3700x in it and absolutely loving it. Coming from Intel my entire life, glad I took another look at AMD
The Gigabyte has better features. More rear USB ports, Intel LAN, better audio set up, 6 SATA ports that are at the correct/usable angle and BIOS flashback. No WiFi though.
@@piorun7903 Every board has features to consider. A Wi-Fi module wouldn't make a bit a difference to me, but I could see how that would be a necessary box to tick for those that need it.
@tamarockstar45 - and HORRIBLE software, terrible support for future bios, bad memory compatibility, and no USB-C. Not to mention they are overpriced. Hard pass.
I was right about to buy the msi board. Glad I watched this. I prefer their products, as I have been buying msi boards for a while, however, I don't really want to be able to boil water off of the back of my motherboard while overclocking my r9 5950x.
If it makes y’all feel better, I bought the MSI gaming edge before there was an AIO combo deal. It works great with my 3700x though. I haven’t had an issue yet with MSI products 👌
exactly... Steve loves to cherry pick results. No mention of the fact that if you AREN'T running a 3900x (which 99% of people aren't now and wont ever) the MSI boards are fine. Specially with the most popular chip in the run the 3700x which isn't a 105w tdp.
@@itsneight1260 if you dont run 3900 or 3950 you dont pick x570 comma. comma being if you want to upgrade in the future b450 is perfectly fine with ryzen 7 3800x fully oced (for instance tomahawk), so if you buy x570 you buy for the ryzen 9 support, it matters. (pcie gen 4 will only really matter by the time am5 releases so its kinda pointless). and it doesn't matter if it's cherry picked because if the result is possible and happened in real life, it's a real issue. you literally sound like toms hardware, did you happen to be paid off? the boards have issues, msi acknowledged issues, msi fixed issues (see other videos). simple as that, it is a problem.
@@bananya6020 wow your opinion is not required ... i got a 3800x running in the board with 2 sabrent pcie 4 m.2 drives in for my gaming and rendering ... loading games at 5gb/sec means that gaming performance for me is lightning ... all my games run at lightning speed ... so your comment is mute ... i also do alot of rendering for my artwork and the pcie 4 m.2's are perfect for the job .... seriously not everyone needs to be pissing up a wall and just because it doesnt suit you doesnt mean it doesnt suit others ... and MSI are a far better brand than other manufacturers
@@corrie1688 1. "Your opinion is not required". Fuck off, this is a free speech platform. If you want to live with your shitty decisions, so be it. Not my problem. But, I think I'll look at actual results to make sure I don't end up sad like you. 2. "I got a 3800x running in the board" So, basically you used a 3700x and got a marginal stock overclock. EVERY b450 board can do 3700x. Hell, most a320 boards can too. 3. "2 sabrent pcie 4 m.2 drives in for my gaming and rendering" You do you, but I'm sure that the "5gbps" doesn't matter in real life when you render, because your cpu is the bottleneck. At that point, your cpu is ALWAYS the bottleneck. That's also why I said "Won't matter until am5" because hopefully by then, the manufacturers/engineers get their ass together and make a worthwhile cpu. I'm sure that a pcie 3 ssd can get 6 second loading times (oh noes! my whole second!) and have the exact same performance elsewhere. 4. "so your comment is mute" i'm not sure i was talking in the first place. i was typing. 5. "i also do a lot of rendering for my artwork and the pcie 4 m.2s are perfect for the job" Just like every other ssd ever. Rendering is perfectly fine on pcie 3.0, and your cpu is definitely still the bottleneck. 6. "seriously not everyone needs to be pissing up a wall and if it doesn't suit you doesn't mean it doesn't suit others" fair enough. can't argue with this point because it's *subjective* by nature. if you like big numbers and have the cash, go ahead and buy pcie 4 ssd's. for that matter, pcie 4 ssd's will work in the future, but you can just as easily run it in pcie 3, get 99% of the performance today, and still keep it for the future and not buy an overpriced chipset that won't last until pcie 4 is truly relevant. 7. "MSI are a far better brand than other manufacturers" ah yes, exactly what people said about intel when amd came out, and what people say about apple, etc today. every manufacturer is shit, because every manufacturer only wants your money and couldn't care less about the product. being good products is only a side effect of trying to get your money before everyone else gets it. msi, asus, asrock, gigabyte have, has, and will continue to have shit boards, shit cards, etc in the future. no one manufacturer is always better objectively. but in the end, i will say this: if it works for you, then that's actually fine. i just don't like how you want to act better than me because of your supposedly "superior" decision. just have fun, enjoy your board, because as long as it works, that's all that matters. so enjoy your processor and enjoy your board, but please don't try to defend your position this hard, because you really never needed to. could've just said "I like mine, because I use a 3800x anyways" and called it a day, but you needed to find a way to prove that the msi whatever is somehow still superior when cold facts with proper testing have already proven the opposite, multiple times. oh, and tl;dr: your choice is fine because it works for you, but stop pissing up the wall trying to defend yourself when you never needed to in the first place. also, AMERICA FREE SPEECH HELL YEAH
Thanks for the review! Just bought the gaming edge and when asked on a forum if my built was all ok, someone pointed me to your video. Gonna cancel the motherboard and go for the X570 PLUS
Just a small note, Asrock x570 steel legend and Extreme4 (since they are basically the same pcb) don't support Noctua's D15 and D14. Learned it the hard way.
The Aorus Elite has definitely the best VRMs in this price range. Unfortunately they didn't include the ALC1220 audio chip and no USB type c. The Steel Legend has these features, so it really comes down to VRM vs features. I feel like the 8 phase VRM of the Steel Legend is more than enough, if you're not running on an open test bench, so I would go for the Steel Legend. Especially the Steel Legend WiFi ax is the value king, because it even includes WiFi 6 and BT 5. The direct competitor would be the Aorus Elite WiFi, but I haven't seen that anywhere yet. And the Aorus Pro WiFi is a lot more expensive, but has feature parity with the Steel Legend WiFi ax. The problem with the TUF Gaming is that it can only shine in a max load scenario. With an overclocked 3900X. That's simply because of the low phase count with the many stages. The TUF Gaming also doesn't have the ALC1220 audio chip and it doesn't have an Intel NIC, which is a no-go for a $200 board.
Elite has an Intel LAN chip and a type C via header. You can count the amount of people who care about onboard audio chips on one hand. If you actually want an ALC1220 then these boards aren't for you to begin with.
@@droravrahami6375 No one said that the Elite didn't have an Intel NIC. Why are you saying that about the ALC1220? The Steel Legend has it and it's exactly in this price range. It's even cheaper than the Elite on Newegg right now.
I have the Aorus Elite X570, and it has been nonstop trouble since I got it. No picture unless I held down the reset button. Eventually, this no longer worked and that was that. It was sent away to be repaired and the BIOS chip had been replaced. After I reinstalled it, within 5 minutes I got a blue screen of death. I restarted it, and 2 hours later another blue screen popped up. It would no longer show a picture and nor would it turn off unless I cut the power at the PSU. There are several Reddit posts relating to the BIOS issues of the Aorus Elite X570. So based on my experience of it, I would not recommend the Aorus Elite X570 by Gigabyte.
Lol not when you consider the rest of the motherboard, asus is the most overpriced motherboard vendor right now, they think they are Apple and charge a premium compared to competitors with the same features
Interesting that Gigabyte boards seem to report the most accurate temps to HWinfo, versus other manufacturers. Not always, but most. Nice of you to give Buildzoid a shoutout! Super smart guy. And he's only 21! Great review, as always. o7
Marcel S. Havent actually checked tbh, but not hot. The fan never has to turn on (it does work) and i have never had an issue. That temperature is certainly not what ive been getting, but ill get a thermal tracking software. Just been a bit bust lately
This is just the case when putting on an 12 or 16 core. My MSI MPG Gaming Plus with its huge cooler on the VRMs not reaching even 60º after hours playing Battlefield, The Witcher 3 or RE 2 with Ryzen 7 3700X. Anyway, great content again. Thanks HU
@@martinrakovicky1189 Did cinebench run back to back many times. "VR MOS" under HWiNFO64 reached 77 degree as max. This was 3900x with stock cooler which is worse case scenario since it blow hot cpu air straight into the vrm. So Carbon seems fine.
I really appreciate this kind of testing. I think I first discovered this channel because it was the only channel I found which offered informative reviews of B450 and B450M boards.
I just upgraded my 6 years old FX-8350 system to Ryzen 5 3600X (all 3600 was sold out in my city) pairs with the Asus TUF and Corsair 3200 Ram. After the 1st bootup and a bit of tweaking on the Ram, holy shit my system gets so much faster. My 3 years old R9 390 got unleashed due to not being bottlenecked anymore by the FX. Looks like I won't have to upgrade the GPU for at least another 12 months.
Excellent information. I was specifically looking for information about VRM performance. Honestly, going into this with my eyes open and at first I was looking at the X570 MSI Tomahawk. Now, my mind has been changed somewhat. This will be my second build and I'm learning a lot more before I make that plunge this time.
if you're an MSI fan forget the board in this vid and check out the MEG X570 UNIFY it came out after this vid and after people found out how bad the MPG EDGE was.
You went really in details about the vrms and stuff on the motherboards which can hardly be found on other reviewers' videos. Pls maintain your style of making videos even though some might say it is long!!!
Please don't ignore the horrific placement of the chipset fan for ASUS and ASRock. With one of the longer GPUs, such as a 1080 Ti partner card, the fan will be completely covered.
Glad to see I picked up the right board by just looking at features/price/general brand reliability. I just received my Asus Tuf Gaming x570-plus as it was on sale at a decent price (just 30$ CAD more than decent B550 options). Can't wait to get my CPU and test it out! Thanks for the great content.
Are you going to test the MSI B450 Tomahawk Max with the 3900x? I'm trying to figure out what the cheapest board is that can handle the bigger 12 and 16 core chips so I could cheap out now and upgrade in the future.
THANK YOU for this video! I made the mistake of buying the MSI in a hurry to get the X570 for the RTX30 and because of you I was able to return it and get the Aorus Elite at a cheaper price! I'm so happy I watched this before opening that box!
Just bought my machine with Gigabite elite ... I was scared coz I didn't do proper review but thanks to you I'm happy now. I didn't make a wrong choice...😊
5 лет назад+4
Very nice, what about a video about the 359-379 tier? I'm really struggling to decide btw the Aorus Master X570 and the Asus CH Hero VIII. EDIT: Just finished the video! YEEEAEEEEAAAAHH!!!
Have a look here at Buildzoid's videos on the X570's. He covers all of them. He is also brutally honest in his analysis! If it sucks, he'll tell you! And if he recommends it, you can't go wrong. ruclips.net/channel/UCrwObTfqv8u1KO7Fgk-FXHQsearch?query=x570
I spent all of my Saturday researching what motherboard for my ryzen 5 3600. I'm glad I ran into this video. Going with the TUF gaming. Thanks for this a lot!
Hey Steve, are you able to test the Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master? I just bought one with a 3700X and would like to see how it stacks up against what else you have tested.
I literally purchased the Gigabyte auorus elite 2 hours before watching this video. It was a toss up between that and the Asus tuf but the £30 cheaper priced elite was just too tempting. Great vid as usual.
I'ts not bad for gaming (that's way they call it GAMING Board) In games CPU utilization is about 25-50% - so MB will never overheat to the high temps. Second reason - most of mid range systems using Air CPU cooler - which cooling MB a lot. So, should be fine... But others doing it better ;)
@@stanley3647 just wondering how you all are doing with this board now. i got it very slightly used and just finished my rig with a 5900x, rtx 3080. gonna be running some thermal tests soon.
@@RyanLBC I've got Aorus board now, and Asus TUF Gaming in second rig ;) but if You stay with air cooler, temps should be lower. AIO systems usually don't have fan at CPU socket, so air is not moving around power section. Increasing temps. Secondly, You can always put extra fan for fresh air around. I can confirm one thing: in games my CPU (Ryzen 5600X) is usually below 20% usage (due to graphic card limitation - GTX 1080) and high resolution (3x1080p monitors).
Same, I monitored it with he monitor, and outside of a case as a test bench it went way over 100 degrees and a 120mm fan blowing at full speed did nothing. I turned it off after it reached 109c after like maybe 45 seconds at most. I wouldn't even run a 6 core on this to be fair. At most maybe a 4 core 8 thread would work but I wouldn't risk it.
Steve Great video and it just confirms my gut instinct after researching and finally settling on the Asus Tuf Gaming X570-Plus. In my case I bought the Tuff X570 with an AMD Ryzen 3600 over the summer with 16 GB of Flare X 3200 RAM. I got a really good deal on Amazon at the time, only paying about $178 for the MB. I plan on upgrading to a Ryzen 5900x next year and upgrading from my Nvidia 2060 Super to either a Radeon 6800 XT or the Asus Tuf Gaming 3080 OC once the supply issues get sorted out I tested my current system as described above with a Scythe Fuma 2 heatsink and 3 Noctua 120mm fans in a push pull configuration. No matter what I threw at it, I couldn't get the VRMs above 63 °C or the CPU above 56 °C. The system idles at about 34 °C.
B450 Tomahawk owner here.. And I am sad how MSI failed in 570x cheap models ($200 still not cheap, more like what X470 high end models costs) Too bad that B450 Tomahawk is solid Mobo overall, but as we all know.. Every year some company screws their Mobos, while every year some company improve their Mobos.. just like Stock Market
yeah do it. i got the tuf board and asus really f***ed up the bios. removed a bunch of settings for overclocking, man, it's just a mess. i've commented about it a few times in this thread and hate to keep repeating myself but let me know if you have any questions.
@@7thaifaaleraqi258 if I had to do it again I would get the msi unify. But Its a little more. Asus updated the bios and gave us cpu spread spectrum and bclck which doesn't work. even if you try 101 it takes it literally like 8 min to boot. You will think you bricked your system, so pretty much useless. But with a noctua d15s I'm getting close to 4.5 on 2 cores boost on a 3800X and used the ryzen dram calc to get my ballistix memory to 3666 but comparing my memory bandwidth with some other guys on hardocp forum my system is a little slower but in the ballpark. Plus chipset fan is in a horrible location if you use a full size card and runs really hot all the time. So hopefully it lasts. Kinda worries me.
@@7thaifaaleraqi258 oh and I get best cpu clocks leaving most all cpu stuff stock and another thing I don't like is no matter what I have it set at it seems like it always wants to hit 1.5V that scares me too. Plus temps are all over the place, will jump 10c within a second and bounces all over. Never had a chip do that before, so idk.
oh crap I just bought one of these motherboards! I hope it wasn't the sucky one lets find out! Edit: Crap It was the MSI board I got. Hopefully the thermals will be okay for a 3700x second Edit: The Mother board was DOA I have been given a chance to correct my mistake
Hello, would you consider making a comparison of the next tier of x570 motherboards in terms of price point Thanks *edit: i just heard you say you were going to do exactly this near the end of the video, looking forward to it!
WARNING: asus removed a bunch of STANDARD overclocking controls from the bios like bclk adjustment, spread spectrum, digi+ memory control and bios is just a general mess. there are settings for same stuff in multiple places and adjusting stuff like VCORE does NOTHING!!!! i am really disapointed w/ my purchase. if you want a good overclock get the gigabyte. edit: when contacted they said they didn't think most people needed that stuff and saving those settings for their "premium" boards. so now they want you to pay $700 for bclk? bullsh*t,.. never again.
Hey. I have x570 MSI + 3700x in the load I have not seen temperatures above 60C degrees. Check again maybe your Board is broken. I would like more information, the conditions under which tests were carried out, supplementary power pack!
Just take the b450 tomahawk max, it's insane value for under 100$ and pci4.0 is unnecessary for 99,9%, because it doesn't boost graphics cards at all and pci4.0 ssds are insanely expensive.
Much like the situation when the first ssd came forward, those things really were expensive at a miniscule capacity while boasting a tremendous speed over consumer's better mechanical hdd... Situations going to a better after a year.. Or so I thought...
With my MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon exploding, and MSI sending me a DoA refurb, as is tradition for them going back even 15 years, I was in the market for a new board and all the prices in Canada are absolutely disgusting. So I was thinking about getting the cheapest one with the amount of ports I need (and non-trash BIOS), that would be the TUF Gaming X570 at $239 ($25 off). I was really hesitant about such a bare-bones board with such poor looking heatsinks from a series with a bad reputation. This video is a nice relief, I'll be buying this board tomorrow. Keep up the good work, said the guy 4 months late.
As always excellent video Steve. Keep the good work. :-) LOL... Somewhere out there... Buildzoid must be smiling in approval of this content. :-D Look foward to the Aorus Master, ASUS Hero, and MSI Ace to the line up test.
![I Made a XP Train in Survival Create - [Re:Create #5]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/448XytDQLRU/mqdefault.jpg)
At the end of the video I mention a picture of all the boards, well I didn't take it in time... so here it is now ;) twitter.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/1161069976251293697
Steve, the best price I could find for the ASUS board is AU$359.
@@locta2861 Sounds right, about what I paid from memory.
@@Hardwareunboxed Yeah, that's from most major retailer but I found a cheaper one at $341 after posting it. The Asrock board seems to be the cheapest in Australia at $338
Thank you for all this hard work. I currently am running the Crosshair Hero VI with a 3600X. I have been considering a mb upgrade but maybe next year at the earliest. I was considering just going with another Crosshair Hero, but the Gigabyte Aorus Master is very tempting. But as you point out in this video you don't HAVE to pay $300+ for good performance with future upgradability. I hope you get some sleep, you have been putting in the hours. I don't want you to get sick, I hope you find a way to automate some of this work.
This might be a stupid question but why does the TUF motherboard have 4 x Front USB 2.0 ports what is the point of usb 2.0?
14:54 for the results
Thank you, Hero.
Ty my lord
Thanks was looking for this
Hero
Lower the number the better right?
Great video once again Steve! Thanks for taking the time to run all these tests, the results are super helpful. Keep it up man! 👍
Aye
Yup
Thanks Paul, great to hear and happy to do it mate.
YES FOR NVM SSD PLACE????
Hello Tom's !
MSI pushing the VRMs to the edge
cheapo edgy gamerz would still buy it!
@@Napoleonic_S why
@@thepolticalone961
it's a joke man.
@@Napoleonic_S ok
more like pushing it to carbide edges with lmao
love all the hard work and time you put into your channel. thanks for the great info.
Good to see the testing. This stuff not only helps consumers but also if the manufacturers are sharp they would learn from this too. Was too bad to see the MSI board do poorly after a pretty stellar B450 lineup.
These videos are always helpful when deciding to build a new rig. Awesome video and thank you for these types of videos.
The Tuf-Gaming had allready caught my attention for the features it provides at 200$. Here in Greece it reatails for about 240€ for the wi-fi model and i was just waiting for your review before making the purchase. I think it will make an excellent pair with the r7 3700X. Great job as allways, Steve. Thank you mate!!!
I was waiting for this video definitely I'm going to purchase the TUF X570 for my R9 3900X. Thanks again Steve for such a great video.
Enjoy the Realtek Lan.
Thx for the great Video - I would've chosen the wrong board to be honest (wanted the MSI X570-a pro).
Going with the Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite now - You have been a tremendous help!!!!!
Strange to see the king of B450 being so bad at X570
Im gonna guess before watching, asrock?
Kamal Mahmud umm no...
Only sector ASRock are competitive in B450 is the ultra cheap where their B450M-HDV is the best option.
MSI completely dominate all other price points.
@@kamalhm-dev nope. Msi
Msi isn't the king of b450
@@hwstar9416 who is and what model?
I think top tier B450 vs low tier X570 would be interesting
Only top tier x470 can match with low tier x570
Yes! That would be great. MSI's B450 Gaming Pro Carbon vs their own low-end X570-A Pro?
@@benfraser7747 they have the same vrm, so it's a matter of heat sinks size.
im sitting on b450 pro carbon and would love to see vrm temps with 3900x in this video's fashion
b450m mortar vs low tier x570
Thanks for the review!
Bought the MSI Gaming Plus(same VRM?) and saw this the day before it got delivered. Returned it right away and ordered the Aourus Elite instead.
Wow, hadn't expected the MSI board to be worse then Asrocks or ASUS's considering what we saw last gen.
That's why they are giving cooler master liquid cooler with up $300 mobo
@@Ultimateharen But that doesnt make VRM cooler
@@z83rulek No but it makes buying a shitty board less painful.
@@GareWorks Considering that you get a €50-60 aio cooler with it you're better off just getting a dark rock 4
whats crazy is im running the gaming edge and its great. the power phase is lackluster especially with the 5000 series cpu. my vrm temps have never gone above 65-70 at full load but then again im a temp nut so im always using great airflow cases.
My Aorus Elite is waiting here for my other components to arrive. Really happy with the results!
Right there with you!
Same.
Only the CPU to check off the list now.
@@lifemocker85 That Asus board looks impressive, bad thing i want Asus to eat shit xD.
@Lorak83 same + 3800x + msi rx gaming x 5700xt
@@bluandr4449 are you guys getting coil whine from the vrm's on the elite? because I am and others too. do you have the same issue?
Gigabyte really stepped up their game in the motherboard department, I'm quite impressed.
And thank you for the great reviews!
I went with the TUF x570 Plus WiFi based off Gamers Nexus/ Buildzoid's recommendation of its VRM. As I got a 5900x 12 for cpu and am overclocking I needed something good. It's done perfectly well holding a 4.8Ghz all core OC.
So Mid Range Boards next? Like the Asrock Extreme4, Gigabyte Aorus Pro WiFi, Asus Prime X570-Pro and MSi Gaming Pro Carbon WiFi
Yes! The Extreme4 is exactly the same to the Steel Legend, except it supports a front USB C connector for your case. Very interested
@@hantzleyaudate7697 yeah, I personally love the aesthetic of the Extreme4 and the Taichi from AsRock and the MSi Ace board as well
@@enthusiasticgmgaming4165 The Taichi is a good board because it is cheaper than other boards with similar features and has a decent VRM.
The Phantom Gaming X on their other hand is just a Taichi + 2.5G lan and is one of the weaker boards at the higher price point.
yes, do this one
They will legit be almost the same as the 200 boards.
Here years later and this roundup is still coming in handy, thank you!
With how the Gigabyte Elite and Extreme turned out, I would love to see a full review on the Gigabyte Aorus X570 Master from you guys!
And ultra!
The entire line of Gigabyte's X570 boards have good VRMs across the board. So there really is no concern.
Even their cheapest Gaming X which is not of the Aorus line has a respectable 10-phase VRM.
Thanks for testing these. I went with the tuf gaming X570 plus WiFi and it really is an excellent board for the price. Works really well with my 3700x.
I still don't understand why 99% of all Hardware channels tested the 700$ boards first. Only a very small group of people will buy them. But for the tests of the budget boards, which most people will buy, you have to wait month.
Obviously to set the benchmark :S
Probably ask too
Thanks for this video. It's good to see the $200 range boards go through some tests. I went with the Aorus Elite in my build based off of Buildzoid's early review of the various pricing tiers of X570 boards and I looks like I chose a good one.
Thanks Steve. This series is really helping in my decision making.
Yeah not buying msi is the first step in getting a good motherboard.
That sure is a lesson learned.
Thanks for these tests. Originally I planned to buy the Asus tuf gaming, and after watching this video I am pleased with my decision, I hope to build a mid range gaming PC with the ryzen 5 3600 and 5700XT red devil.
Good Build!
I bought the aorus elite on launch without seeing reviews, I guess I did well. :)
Did ok, tuf is surprisingly better
I bought elite over tuf because of intel lan and front usb c.
U did wrong but u were lucky. Never buy before trusty reviews pop up
Bought Elite also because of good vrm reviews, intel lan, and front usb C. None of the other boards at this price had it!
@@alexworm1707 Define "better". TUF Gaming has a WiFi option but has crappy Realtek LAN. It has debug LEDs but no BIOS flashback.
Aorus Elite has flashback but no debug LEDs, Intel LAN, USB-C header, and the WiFi option is only available in some markets (allegedly - it's not out yet, either way).
Both have great VRMs (the Aorus Elite edges out the TUF Gaming slightly; not that it matters) so that's not an issue for either board.
Honestly, I don't see why you'd say the TUF Gaming board is better. It's about even with the Aorus Elite, and which one is "better" for _you_ depends on what you need/want.
And on a personal level, after ASUS' little marketing stunt recently, I'd go for Gigabyte's boards over ASUS' any day of the week.
So buildzoid was right as usual :)
he eats vram dude, what u expect?
dude dream with VRM every night, and do videos about everyday.
Yeah I took a note of his thoughts that "ASUS have made this board too good at the price range" a few weeks ago and this tallies exactly. I'm deciding between this and the ASUS Prime X470 Pro (which Steve recommended in another video) which is a little cheaper for my current 2700 (OCd) and later probably a 3800x or 3900x.
B K Nah mate the Prime Pro doesn’t have the heatsink to support a 12 core.
Btw 3800X is poor value, get the 3700X.
@@edisonyang3283 Ah, ok. Well in that case I guess I should spend a bit more and get the TUF. cheers.
I just bought the Asus X570 Tuf :>
Ik I’m commenting 1 year later but how is it? Do u have any problems or anything?
@@chrisnoname1357 No it's a great mainboard.
THANK YOU!
I was looking at the MSI Gaming Edge or Gaming Plus and just avoided making a colossal mistake.
Got the X570 Steel Legend and works fantastic, not warm at all with minimal airflow together with a 3800.
Amazing work as always! You do the best comparisons to help us viewers decide on what to get.
Thank you guys. You just saved me from making a big mistake. Changed my order to de TUF from the gaming edge wifi.
how is the tuf? how loud is the fan? i bought the elite but it has bad coil whine from the vrm and others have the same issue. im just concerned about the tuf fan noise.
Really appreciate this kind of information. Is it possible to also include mATX and ITX in the mix?
It's not, because there are no boards right now. AORUS had an ITX board at launch and an mATX Biostar board has been pictured recently (not sure on the availability), but that's pretty much it.
@@z1ga Gigabyte and ASRock both have ITX boards. What are you talking about?
Watched one video from buildzoid about the Asus boards and VRMs when I knew nothing about what a VRM was at the time, and ended up going with the Asus tuf x570.
I'm happy with my purchase.
It's so refreshing to see serious high end motherboards for the AMD platform
The problem with the ASUS Tuf is the fan placement for the chipset. It sits underneath a GPU if you have a nice big one, so you get hot air blowing into a chipset. Asrock has the same problem.
The Gigabyte Aorus line has the chipset fan placed further down the board so the GPU isn't over it and same with different MSI boards.
The Asrock boards as said have the chipset fan too close to the GPU, but also have those SCREWED up memory slots with retaining clips on one side only and comments sections on retail sites have LOTS of comments about people having memory problems. I've bought a few Asrock boards with these memory retention systems and I had a problem with some but not others. To me Asrock is a pass until they get sensible with memory retention clips for both sides like EVERY other board maker.
The best thing about the Steel Legend and Asrock X570 boards in general is the spacing between the X16 slots. For the other 3, the 2nd physical X16/electrical X8 slot is 3 slots away and the Steel Legend is 4 slots away.
But nowadays there are better X570 boards, from MSI the X570 Unify is a great board and the one company I've found to make a fanless chipset X570S that I trust is Gigabyte with their Aorus line. I had MSI boards crap out with devices connected through their fanless X570S chipset, so I think the chipset got too hot. The Gigabyte X570S Auros Elite is about the best thing out there with the different ports it has (USB3.2 gen2x2) without costing an arm and a leg and STILL has 3 NVMe ports which used to be the domain of the most expensive X570 boards.
Asrock got smart and finally moved the chipset fan further down the MB with their ASRock X570 PG VELOCITA, but I believe it still only has one side latching for the memory sticks, so pass, and it only has 2 NVMe ports so compared to the Gigabyte X570S Auros Elite it's not a contest.
And if you don't need all these features, why buy an X570 board? Buy B550 instead.
👍💚
Which motherboard goes best with an RTX 4060TI (for a low price)? Thank you very much!
The TUF in the 1.4v test is really telling. Those temps beat anything else, despite the low price point of this motherboard. Although I find it odd that there is no VRM thermal sensor, this board seems to be an amazing value
yea and more exp than other boards.
i was already planning on getting the tuf gaming, this one has made my mind certain on getting that board.
THX, this test shows theres a lot more to know bout bords yet to come before purchase.
Yeah I learned my lesson. Never get msi, even asrock is better.
was concidering taking my AORUS Elite out of the basket due to the store not having it in stock, to get the MSI one instead for my r9 build, so glad i watched this. worth waiting an extra week
So thanks dude :D
MSI basically copypasted same old outdated design VRM from B450 and what was OK good in them is very low end in X570.
Asus and Gigabyte who both had some pretty much scam level VRMs again took hold of themselves and changed to strong modern design VRMs.
(except for X570 Gaming X)
MSI should drop the wifi and name it Gaming "Edge of viability".
Or maybe Msi gaming probably not even able to run a 1 core cpu using 1w.
Very nice video. Makes me very happy with my recent purchase of the Asus X570 Tuf. Have a Ryzen 7 3700x in it and absolutely loving it. Coming from Intel my entire life, glad I took another look at AMD
The Gigabyte has better features. More rear USB ports, Intel LAN, better audio set up, 6 SATA ports that are at the correct/usable angle and BIOS flashback. No WiFi though.
In Aorus Xtreme they actually have Wi-Fi Module.
@@piorun7903 Every board has features to consider. A Wi-Fi module wouldn't make a bit a difference to me, but I could see how that would be a necessary box to tick for those that need it.
I am fairly certain there is an Auros Elite with wifi.
@tamarockstar45 - and HORRIBLE software, terrible support for future bios, bad memory compatibility, and no USB-C. Not to mention they are overpriced. Hard pass.
@@itsneight1260 i have the elite and im getting coil whine on idle which is super annoying in my silent system.
I was right about to buy the msi board. Glad I watched this. I prefer their products, as I have been buying msi boards for a while, however, I don't really want to be able to boil water off of the back of my motherboard while overclocking my r9 5950x.
If it makes y’all feel better, I bought the MSI gaming edge before there was an AIO combo deal. It works great with my 3700x though. I haven’t had an issue yet with MSI products 👌
exactly... Steve loves to cherry pick results. No mention of the fact that if you AREN'T running a 3900x (which 99% of people aren't now and wont ever) the MSI boards are fine. Specially with the most popular chip in the run the 3700x which isn't a 105w tdp.
@@itsneight1260 if you dont run 3900 or 3950 you dont pick x570 comma.
comma being if you want to upgrade in the future
b450 is perfectly fine with ryzen 7 3800x fully oced (for instance tomahawk), so if you buy x570 you buy for the ryzen 9 support, it matters. (pcie gen 4 will only really matter by the time am5 releases so its kinda pointless).
and it doesn't matter if it's cherry picked because if the result is possible and happened in real life, it's a real issue.
you literally sound like toms hardware, did you happen to be paid off? the boards have issues, msi acknowledged issues, msi fixed issues (see other videos). simple as that, it is a problem.
I HAVE 1 RUNNING A 3800X NO ISSUES EITHER
@@bananya6020 wow your opinion is not required ... i got a 3800x running in the board with 2 sabrent pcie 4 m.2 drives in for my gaming and rendering ... loading games at 5gb/sec means that gaming performance for me is lightning ... all my games run at lightning speed ... so your comment is mute ... i also do alot of rendering for my artwork and the pcie 4 m.2's are perfect for the job .... seriously not everyone needs to be pissing up a wall and just because it doesnt suit you doesnt mean it doesnt suit others ... and MSI are a far better brand than other manufacturers
@@corrie1688
1. "Your opinion is not required".
Fuck off, this is a free speech platform. If you want to live with your shitty decisions, so be it. Not my problem. But, I think I'll look at actual results to make sure I don't end up sad like you.
2. "I got a 3800x running in the board"
So, basically you used a 3700x and got a marginal stock overclock. EVERY b450 board can do 3700x. Hell, most a320 boards can too.
3. "2 sabrent pcie 4 m.2 drives in for my gaming and rendering"
You do you, but I'm sure that the "5gbps" doesn't matter in real life when you render, because your cpu is the bottleneck. At that point, your cpu is ALWAYS the bottleneck. That's also why I said "Won't matter until am5" because hopefully by then, the manufacturers/engineers get their ass together and make a worthwhile cpu. I'm sure that a pcie 3 ssd can get 6 second loading times (oh noes! my whole second!) and have the exact same performance elsewhere.
4. "so your comment is mute"
i'm not sure i was talking in the first place. i was typing.
5. "i also do a lot of rendering for my artwork and the pcie 4 m.2s are perfect for the job"
Just like every other ssd ever. Rendering is perfectly fine on pcie 3.0, and your cpu is definitely still the bottleneck.
6. "seriously not everyone needs to be pissing up a wall and if it doesn't suit you doesn't mean it doesn't suit others"
fair enough. can't argue with this point because it's *subjective* by nature. if you like big numbers and have the cash, go ahead and buy pcie 4 ssd's. for that matter, pcie 4 ssd's will work in the future, but you can just as easily run it in pcie 3, get 99% of the performance today, and still keep it for the future and not buy an overpriced chipset that won't last until pcie 4 is truly relevant.
7. "MSI are a far better brand than other manufacturers"
ah yes, exactly what people said about intel when amd came out, and what people say about apple, etc today. every manufacturer is shit, because every manufacturer only wants your money and couldn't care less about the product. being good products is only a side effect of trying to get your money before everyone else gets it. msi, asus, asrock, gigabyte have, has, and will continue to have shit boards, shit cards, etc in the future. no one manufacturer is always better objectively.
but in the end, i will say this: if it works for you, then that's actually fine. i just don't like how you want to act better than me because of your supposedly "superior" decision. just have fun, enjoy your board, because as long as it works, that's all that matters. so enjoy your processor and enjoy your board, but please don't try to defend your position this hard, because you really never needed to. could've just said "I like mine, because I use a 3800x anyways" and called it a day, but you needed to find a way to prove that the msi whatever is somehow still superior when cold facts with proper testing have already proven the opposite, multiple times.
oh, and tl;dr: your choice is fine because it works for you, but stop pissing up the wall trying to defend yourself when you never needed to in the first place. also, AMERICA FREE SPEECH HELL YEAH
Thanks for the review! Just bought the gaming edge and when asked on a forum if my built was all ok, someone pointed me to your video. Gonna cancel the motherboard and go for the X570 PLUS
Just a small note, Asrock x570 steel legend and Extreme4 (since they are basically the same pcb) don't support Noctua's D15 and D14. Learned it the hard way.
Appreciate you telling it like it is, Steve. I used your benchmarks and reviews to pick my parts for this gen's build. Cheers, mate!
The Aorus Elite has definitely the best VRMs in this price range. Unfortunately they didn't include the ALC1220 audio chip and no USB type c. The Steel Legend has these features, so it really comes down to VRM vs features.
I feel like the 8 phase VRM of the Steel Legend is more than enough, if you're not running on an open test bench, so I would go for the Steel Legend. Especially the Steel Legend WiFi ax is the value king, because it even includes WiFi 6 and BT 5. The direct competitor would be the Aorus Elite WiFi, but I haven't seen that anywhere yet. And the Aorus Pro WiFi is a lot more expensive, but has feature parity with the Steel Legend WiFi ax.
The problem with the TUF Gaming is that it can only shine in a max load scenario. With an overclocked 3900X. That's simply because of the low phase count with the many stages. The TUF Gaming also doesn't have the ALC1220 audio chip and it doesn't have an Intel NIC, which is a no-go for a $200 board.
Elite has an Intel LAN chip and a type C via header.
You can count the amount of people who care about onboard audio chips on one hand.
If you actually want an ALC1220 then these boards aren't for you to begin with.
@@droravrahami6375 No one said that the Elite didn't have an Intel NIC.
Why are you saying that about the ALC1220? The Steel Legend has it and it's exactly in this price range. It's even cheaper than the Elite on Newegg right now.
I have the Aorus Elite X570, and it has been nonstop trouble since I got it. No picture unless I held down the reset button. Eventually, this no longer worked and that was that. It was sent away to be repaired and the BIOS chip had been replaced. After I reinstalled it, within 5 minutes I got a blue screen of death. I restarted it, and 2 hours later another blue screen popped up. It would no longer show a picture and nor would it turn off unless I cut the power at the PSU. There are several Reddit posts relating to the BIOS issues of the Aorus Elite X570. So based on my experience of it, I would not recommend the Aorus Elite X570 by Gigabyte.
ASUS is good value? What a coincidence.
Not in features.
Lol not when you consider the rest of the motherboard, asus is the most overpriced motherboard vendor right now, they think they are Apple and charge a premium compared to competitors with the same features
Do you mean contradiction?
Paul Yes in features as well.
Is that your real name?
Interesting that Gigabyte boards seem to report the most accurate temps to HWinfo, versus other manufacturers. Not always, but most.
Nice of you to give Buildzoid a shoutout! Super smart guy. And he's only 21!
Great review, as always. o7
That MSI board must be defective, I got the same one and running a cpu stress test it has never reached anything close to 100 C
Marcel S. I have bought one and according to a friend it runs fine
Also i have not yet built my pc as im waiting on a piece
I have my pc now, and its running great. I hope he redoes this video. Shame, as this is misinforming lots of people
@@jozzemexure5374 What temps do you get on the board?
Marcel S. Havent actually checked tbh, but not hot. The fan never has to turn on (it does work) and i have never had an issue. That temperature is certainly not what ive been getting, but ill get a thermal tracking software. Just been a bit bust lately
This so much appreciated! Thank you Steve for your hard work and efforts. Looking forward to the next video
This is the knowledge that the majority of the RUclips community is not giving us. Thank you for the effort!
This is just the case when putting on an 12 or 16 core. My MSI MPG Gaming Plus with its huge cooler on the VRMs not reaching even 60º after hours playing Battlefield, The Witcher 3 or RE 2 with Ryzen 7 3700X. Anyway, great content again. Thanks HU
Can you do the same vrm tests on the MSI x570 pro carbon? I hope I didn't get a dud....running 3900x now but will get the 3950x when it gets released.
Maybe you can check hwinfo for temps..it will help me aswell to decide..I want to buy Carbon pro
@@martinrakovicky1189 Did cinebench run back to back many times. "VR MOS" under HWiNFO64 reached 77 degree as max. This was 3900x with stock cooler which is worse case scenario since it blow hot cpu air straight into the vrm. So Carbon seems fine.
I really appreciate this kind of testing. I think I first discovered this channel because it was the only channel I found which offered informative reviews of B450 and B450M boards.
I just upgraded my 6 years old FX-8350 system to Ryzen 5 3600X (all 3600 was sold out in my city) pairs with the Asus TUF and Corsair 3200 Ram.
After the 1st bootup and a bit of tweaking on the Ram, holy shit my system gets so much faster. My 3 years old R9 390 got unleashed due to not being bottlenecked anymore by the FX. Looks like I won't have to upgrade the GPU for at least another 12 months.
Just did a similar upgrade, FX-8350 -> 3900x (same board), and all I can say is "wow!!".
Iyke Mbala ikr 😀
This gives me hope for my new build. Same upgrade just going with the 3700x and gigabyte elite.
Really happy to see this as I'm building around the Asus TUF MB in a couple weeks with a 3600X. Looks like an absolute beast at that price.
Very informative tests as always mate, love your dedication cheers !
Excellent information. I was specifically looking for information about VRM performance. Honestly, going into this with my eyes open and at first I was looking at the X570 MSI Tomahawk. Now, my mind has been changed somewhat. This will be my second build and I'm learning a lot more before I make that plunge this time.
Could you also test the mini itx boards? It would be very interesting to see how small boards perform
if you're an MSI fan forget the board in this vid and check out the MEG X570 UNIFY it came out after this vid and after people found out how bad the MPG EDGE was.
It's almost like Asus remembered that they're tough series used to be something that was respected and actually built it to be
yes, that Asus Crosshair VIII Hero is something fantastic and I own one and i can tell you is one of the best motherboards for x570 amd
You went really in details about the vrms and stuff on the motherboards which can hardly be found on other reviewers' videos. Pls maintain your style of making videos even though some might say it is long!!!
Please don't ignore the horrific placement of the chipset fan for ASUS and ASRock. With one of the longer GPUs, such as a 1080 Ti partner card, the fan will be completely covered.
I have that one of my asus boards too haha.
Glad to see I picked up the right board by just looking at features/price/general brand reliability.
I just received my Asus Tuf Gaming x570-plus as it was on sale at a decent price (just 30$ CAD more than decent B550 options). Can't wait to get my CPU and test it out!
Thanks for the great content.
you got 3 dislikes, means 3 people bought that MSI Board :-)
Or they are selling those boards.
Omg so funi haha moment
But it was super-hyper-mega-ultra....
@@boingkster Gaming x Pro Plus *
almost bought that motherboard :/
Hopefully you make the money. Gotta love people that do work for the sake of good work.
Bought a ryzen 3700x and msi mpg x570 gaming about a month ago, haven't had any issues. But this video makes be a bit concerned.
It is not as bad as it seems. This is not the same board. Check GN ruclips.net/video/DinQsUNepoU/видео.html
Unless you are doing crazy overclocks (Highly unlikely) then this is of no concern.
Good to see that Asus hasn't killed the TUF line after all, although they're still vastly different from what that line used to represent.
Are you going to test the MSI B450 Tomahawk Max with the 3900x? I'm trying to figure out what the cheapest board is that can handle the bigger 12 and 16 core chips so I could cheap out now and upgrade in the future.
Upgrading a mobo is a bitch, go with an x570 and an ryzen 7
THANK YOU for this video! I made the mistake of buying the MSI in a hurry to get the X570 for the RTX30 and because of you I was able to return it and get the Aorus Elite at a cheaper price! I'm so happy I watched this before opening that box!
Wow, at this point like/dislike is 102 Vs 1. Speaks volumes about your quality content!
Thanks for the hard work!
Just bought my machine with Gigabite elite ... I was scared coz I didn't do proper review but thanks to you I'm happy now. I didn't make a wrong choice...😊
Very nice, what about a video about the 359-379 tier? I'm really struggling to decide btw the Aorus Master X570 and the Asus CH Hero VIII.
EDIT: Just finished the video! YEEEAEEEEAAAAHH!!!
Have a look here at Buildzoid's videos on the X570's. He covers all of them. He is also brutally honest in his analysis! If it sucks, he'll tell you! And if he recommends it, you can't go wrong.
ruclips.net/channel/UCrwObTfqv8u1KO7Fgk-FXHQsearch?query=x570
I spent all of my Saturday researching what motherboard for my ryzen 5 3600. I'm glad I ran into this video. Going with the TUF gaming. Thanks for this a lot!
Hey Steve, are you able to test the Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master? I just bought one with a 3700X and would like to see how it stacks up against what else you have tested.
I literally purchased the Gigabyte auorus elite 2 hours before watching this video. It was a toss up between that and the Asus tuf but the £30 cheaper priced elite was just too tempting.
Great vid as usual.
Well RIP me, I just bought a MSI X570 Gaming Edge Wifi 😂
Anyway, I don't think it will be that bad when gaming.
Me too :D
I'ts not bad for gaming (that's way they call it GAMING Board)
In games CPU utilization is about 25-50% - so MB will never overheat to the high temps.
Second reason - most of mid range systems using Air CPU cooler - which cooling MB a lot.
So, should be fine... But others doing it better ;)
@@stanley3647 just wondering how you all are doing with this board now. i got it very slightly used and just finished my rig with a 5900x, rtx 3080. gonna be running some thermal tests soon.
@@RyanLBC I've got Aorus board now, and Asus TUF Gaming in second rig ;) but if You stay with air cooler, temps should be lower. AIO systems usually don't have fan at CPU socket, so air is not moving around power section. Increasing temps.
Secondly, You can always put extra fan for fresh air around.
I can confirm one thing: in games my CPU (Ryzen 5600X) is usually below 20% usage (due to graphic card limitation - GTX 1080) and high resolution (3x1080p monitors).
Same, I monitored it with he monitor, and outside of a case as a test bench it went way over 100 degrees and a 120mm fan blowing at full speed did nothing. I turned it off after it reached 109c after like maybe 45 seconds at most. I wouldn't even run a 6 core on this to be fair. At most maybe a 4 core 8 thread would work but I wouldn't risk it.
Steve Great video and it just confirms my gut instinct after researching and finally settling on the Asus Tuf Gaming X570-Plus.
In my case I bought the Tuff X570 with an AMD Ryzen 3600 over the summer with 16 GB of Flare X 3200 RAM. I got a really good deal on Amazon at the time, only paying about $178 for the MB. I plan on upgrading to a Ryzen 5900x next year and upgrading from my Nvidia 2060 Super to either a Radeon 6800 XT or the Asus Tuf Gaming 3080 OC once the supply issues get sorted out
I tested my current system as described above with a Scythe Fuma 2 heatsink and 3 Noctua 120mm fans in a push pull configuration. No matter what I threw at it, I couldn't get the VRMs above 63 °C or the CPU above 56 °C. The system idles at about 34 °C.
Just bought the Asus TUF gaming for my new rig. I hope to report good things
whats the status
Something somethingsomething everything has been running great. I have zero complaints so far. Works great with my Ryzen 7 and nvidia 1660ti.
B450 Tomahawk owner here..
And I am sad how MSI failed in 570x cheap models ($200 still not cheap, more like what X470 high end models costs)
Too bad that B450 Tomahawk is solid Mobo overall, but as we all know..
Every year some company screws their Mobos, while every year some company improve their Mobos.. just like Stock Market
Gigabyte is trying very hard a comeback, i'll suport them this gen ;).
yeah do it. i got the tuf board and asus really f***ed up the bios. removed a bunch of settings for overclocking, man, it's just a mess. i've commented about it a few times in this thread and hate to keep repeating myself but let me know if you have any questions.
@@XX-121 what do u recommend me to get then ?
i am going to buy very soon so i would appreciate ur help
@@7thaifaaleraqi258 if I had to do it again I would get the msi unify. But Its a little more. Asus updated the bios and gave us cpu spread spectrum and bclck which doesn't work. even if you try 101 it takes it literally like 8 min to boot. You will think you bricked your system, so pretty much useless. But with a noctua d15s I'm getting close to 4.5 on 2 cores boost on a 3800X and used the ryzen dram calc to get my ballistix memory to 3666 but comparing my memory bandwidth with some other guys on hardocp forum my system is a little slower but in the ballpark. Plus chipset fan is in a horrible location if you use a full size card and runs really hot all the time. So hopefully it lasts. Kinda worries me.
@@7thaifaaleraqi258 oh and I get best cpu clocks leaving most all cpu stuff stock and another thing I don't like is no matter what I have it set at it seems like it always wants to hit 1.5V that scares me too. Plus temps are all over the place, will jump 10c within a second and bounces all over. Never had a chip do that before, so idk.
trance dj what about the msi mag tomhawk wifi ? Bcz i am new to pc stuff and i cant differentiate between motherboards good
Thanks for this video! I’m probably gonna be picking up the Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite because the tuf gaming is out of stock right now.
oh crap I just bought one of these motherboards! I hope it wasn't the sucky one lets find out!
Edit: Crap It was the MSI board I got. Hopefully the thermals will be okay for a 3700x
second Edit: The Mother board was DOA I have been given a chance to correct my mistake
me too but with the 3900x 😅
Really helpful. I was looking at this MSI. Obviously not anymore lol. Good review and report 😎👍
Steve please do the Gigabyte X570 Aorus Pro and Asus Prime X570-Pro
i bought
X570 Gigabyte Pro for
265€
PERFECTION!
You will not regret it!
VRMs most important if u plan to OC. Wifi, lan, audio can all be upgraded
Hello, would you consider making a comparison of the next tier of x570 motherboards in terms of price point
Thanks
*edit: i just heard you say you were going to do exactly this near the end of the video, looking forward to it!
Was looking at all these boards and could't decide! Thank you so much for this crazy good in dept review! You gave me some excellent insights!
thank you, my choice will Asus Tuf Gaming Plus - for 3700x
WARNING: asus removed a bunch of STANDARD overclocking controls from the bios like bclk adjustment, spread spectrum, digi+ memory control and bios is just a general mess. there are settings for same stuff in multiple places and adjusting stuff like VCORE does NOTHING!!!! i am really disapointed w/ my purchase. if you want a good overclock get the gigabyte.
edit: when contacted they said they didn't think most people needed that stuff and saving those settings for their "premium" boards. so now they want you to pay $700 for bclk? bullsh*t,.. never again.
trance dj thanks man I’ve just read this. Lucky I didn’t buy it. I’m going for the carbon pro
@@JonYen69 if you are going with msi you should really be looking at the Unify.
Hey. I have x570 MSI + 3700x in the load I have not seen temperatures above 60C degrees. Check again maybe your Board is broken. I would like more information, the conditions under which tests were carried out, supplementary power pack!
3700x is not intensive as 3900x.
Just take the b450 tomahawk max, it's insane value for under 100$ and pci4.0 is unnecessary for 99,9%, because it doesn't boost graphics cards at all and pci4.0 ssds are insanely expensive.
Much like the situation when the first ssd came forward, those things really were expensive at a miniscule capacity while boasting a tremendous speed over consumer's better mechanical hdd... Situations going to a better after a year.. Or so I thought...
With my MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon exploding, and MSI sending me a DoA refurb, as is tradition for them going back even 15 years, I was in the market for a new board and all the prices in Canada are absolutely disgusting. So I was thinking about getting the cheapest one with the amount of ports I need (and non-trash BIOS), that would be the TUF Gaming X570 at $239 ($25 off). I was really hesitant about such a bare-bones board with such poor looking heatsinks from a series with a bad reputation.
This video is a nice relief, I'll be buying this board tomorrow. Keep up the good work, said the guy 4 months late.
ad the Gigabyte Aorus master next please.
Gigabyte seems to have the best UEFI this time around. A huge change from previous generations and great support. They got my money. :)
I'd have to agree. Even though I have the X390 auros master on the Intel platform the main reason I got it is it's awesome VRM performance.
Why is NO one covering the fan noise of those little monsters on these boards?
As always excellent video Steve. Keep the good work. :-)
LOL... Somewhere out there... Buildzoid must be smiling in approval of this content. :-D
Look foward to the Aorus Master, ASUS Hero, and MSI Ace to the line up test.