What Cop Shows get WRONG about FENTANYL
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I watched 22 episodes of Broadcast TV that had a storyline about fentanyl, and boy are my arms tired! What do these massively popular shows get right about the fentanyl crisis, what myths do they perpetuate, and why does it matter?
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0:00 - Introduction
5:12 - 1. What is Fentanyl?
6:34 - 2. Will you die if you touch it?
13:59 - 3. How are people overdosing?
18:15 - 4. Mask up for Fentanyl?
23:29 - 5. Who is overdosing?
30:48 - Fentanyl Frenzy
37:13 - Why fear matters
44:48 - Is it a housing problem or a drug problem?
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Soooo when do we get the ' Animal Control" episode of copaganda🤣🤣
Also I love that a fetnyl expert talked about how it actually works and some jackhole had to come argue it in the comments🤣classic!
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Sorry, SkipIntro, the whole "Fentanyl exposure myth" might actually be a fact, considering powders can easily become airborne like in the example of brushing up against a curtain covered in it. By that point, it would enter your nose and then you would likely ingest it. The whole "through the skin" thing is one thing by one show, but the other shows clarify it well enough.
While Asbestos on your clothing isn't necessarily as bad as Asbestos up your nose, you will still wash that clothing.
Fent sucks as an opiode for most of us with decades on opiates. Although it is stronger and cheaper then morphine or heroin; it is sold as "boy" or in place of heroin for much cheaper. However it only lasts about 2 hours before the withdrawls kick in even though it is hanging out in your blood for much much longer. This requires insane amounts of dosing throughout the day or rather micro-dosing all day which after 2 weeks the numb hands and feet of overdose were so very close and was often in overdose enough to be vomiting etc. It is NOT fun. Boy is killing off the population addicted to oxys and roxys of the 2000's and 2010s and it is doing it fast. Suboxone ceiling does is far too low in comparison which is leading to huge increase of methadone demand. They did the opiate crisis wrong if they don't provide "safer" RX versions of morphine, oxycodone, methadone, etc the chinese will be glad to kill us off through thru our black market drug supply chain. The ccp is working with the cartels. All we have to do is bring back OC but mix into a mmt maintenance clinic. At leaste try it in one state and see what happens. I suggest the harder addicts try a methadone mmt clinic with legal state marijuana for the craving to get high and methadone for withdrawls. That along with my faith is what works for me. They make them look like roxy pills (oxycodone) because we DON'T want Fentynal; we want safe pain pills like oxycodone or MS Contin but fent is all we can get outside a methadone clinic.
Latifah and Denzel are Not The Equalizer. Look up Edward Woodward. He was an alway will be The real Equalizer.
As a hospital pharmacist who handles and dispenses fentanyl everyday, watching cop/medical shows treat fentanyl like voldemort is extremely hilarious.
I JUST started my pharm tech training and literally got laughed at the way my hands were shaking the first time I had to work the pyxis 💀 I don’t know when fentanyl became such a boogeyman but the copaganda sure as hell worked on me
You mean when you open the bottle or box of patches a little cartoon skull cloud doesn't rise from it? Blasphemy!
I'm not any of those things, and even I roll my eyes when they talk about fentanyl as though it were some venomous Australian animal.
It's just sad and disgusting like so much of the DEA/War On Drugs propaganda that has destroyed so much of this country. I understand where you're coming from but guess we have different definitions of the word hilarious ...
Just as someone with a brain I have that reaction. If it was really that capable of killing that easily, how would there not be a trail of bodies every step of the chain of production and distribution? Dock workers would just be turning up dead from overdose
It's entirely possible that cops simply have a Pokemon-esque double weakness to fentynal compared to civilians
Tepig is weak to rock types
Cop stood in the presence of fentanyl. It was super effective. Cop fainted.😂
Yeah like a psychosomatic weakness they imagine it’s going to kill them so they have heart attack
Like a paras to a flame
Cops are Grass/Bug types
All you have to do is shout “fentanyl” like a Skyrim shout and police will go flying
Dragonrend for cops.
@@felabugg1 Fen - Ta - NYL!
And they'll go "MINE MINE MINE!"
@@WeaponizedStrumpet I would kill for a mod that adds that into Skyrim.
Legit I’ve seen videos where the cops go running like someone set them on fire because the word ‘fentanyl’ was uttered In a normal voice they’re fuckin terrified of the concept. FUS RO COP
pro tip: get away with any crime by blowing powdered sugar at the cops and yelling "FENTANYL GO" (for my FBI agent this is a joke)
Personally I keep it in an Acorn
I like to imagine that the cop panics so hard, that he has a cardiac arrest
You only have one FBI agent? I got a whole task force on me, you got rookie numbers, bro, gotta pump them numbers up!
@@skeletonbuyingpealts7134 I also like to live dangerously.
This man has fallen into rabbit hole of watching cop shows and didnt go insane, impressive
Insanity is a legal term, not a medical one. 🌈🌟
He waded through waist deep shit so we wouldn’t have to. What a hero.
@@sirsplintfastthepungent1373 Amen ❤
I've seen you on like 6 comment sections lately.
Holy shit it's Heisenberg! Let me say your name!
I've always hated these shows making people afraid to do CPR. This misinformation has definitely cost lives.
mouth to mouth CPR isn't even necessary.
@renaigh True, but people are afraid to even touch potential overdose victims.
@@renaigh Specifically because if someone goes into cardiac arrest because of heart problems they generally have enough oxygen in their blood for a few minutes. Not so when the cardiac arrest is caused by breathing problems, they really need even the low amount of oxygen mouth to mouth can give. But it's listed as optional during training because laypeople may not be willing to do it.
Yeah I think the only way it could happen is if the person freshly snorted it and there was powder on their nose and the person giving mouth to mouth accidentally snorted it off their nose. But that sounds super unlikely that there would be enough to kill them
@@ellabiddy4741 yeah, if that's a form your body will digest in such a way to cause a physical reaction, I imagine at most it would make your head feel a little weird for a short while
Another amazing thing about Narcan is that it doesn't have negative effects on anyone who doesn't have opioids in their system. In other words, if someone looks like they're overdosing, you can give them Narcan without worrying that a wrong assumption will hurt them. If they're not OD-ing, they'll be unaffected, and if they are, you'll save their life.
Tldr: If you can afford it, get some Narcan to go in your first aid kit.
A lot of Medicaid programs will give you free narcan from a pharmacy.
Fun fact: It'll also put them in a state of intense withdrawal, which means they might suffer literal hell. So might not want to be too excessively trigger happy with it because it still requires a hospital trip right after. But better safe than sorry, of course. Narcan basically tells the drug to F off from the brain because gtfo this is my seat for an hour, so they'll enter a state of not having the drug for that long which will act like not having had their fill for a while and thus means they might try to get said fill again. Since it's so short lived, if the drug is still in the bloodstream during that time (which means watching out for long acting opioids), it'll go right back into the brain when Narcan is gone and potentially trigger another overdose.
I'd imagine there are some potentially dangerous combos with narcan, it's basically a less potentially opioid with a stronger attachment than fent bumping it out of the receptor, if the person is already overdosing on unadulterated triazolobnzodiazipines it could cause further respiratory depression. Another one to look out for is xylazine, the base effects of it already look like an overdose and requires the user to focus on breathing, if you can bug em enough to stay awake they'll recover once it wears off but a combo with suboxone (one ingredient in narcan) that could stack respiratory depressive effects causing unconsciousness and then an actual overdose
@@thomasferris3750 Narcan wont cause or worsen respiratory depression. It doesn't have any potency as an opioid at all. Narcan also does not have Suboxone in it, the only active ingredient in Narcan is naloxone. It's the other way around, Suboxone has naloxone in it.
That's why it didn't affect that one cop. His partner hit him with like 4x the amount he should have an the afflicted cop still thought he was overdosing. I couldn't help but laugh.
Also thank you for addressing the homelessness problem and how it ties into drug abuse. I was homeless for 7 years and the HEARTLESSNESS of humanity made my life far more difficult. I had my things taken and thrown away during police sweeps (so then I'm homeless without any stuff to survive, solves everyone's issues, right?🙄), and just the degradation and contempt I got for just existing, basically becoming that town or city's "problem child" that they could blame anything on.
Addiction treatment requires compassion. Homeless people and addicts are already suffering. That's why they use, to deal with that suffering. And it's impossible to stop if you're hopeless about your future, and don't have access to help.
Don't even get me started on rehabs. Many of them just want your insurance money and to push you right on through, help you just enough to collect the cash and a handshake on your way out, and a "See you again soon!" attitude, with a wink and a smile.
It's like mental hospitals, they don't wanna help you they just wanna make you kill yourself quietly and not to publicly
I'd been homeless for several years, and I'm just extremely grateful that I had never reached the point of living on the streets.
I'm glad you're not homeless anymore, but it is so heartless and cruel how people treat the homeless, and I wish I could do something.
then these people wonder why homeless folks might be leery of being required to go to rehab...
@@yourcollegedebt8384 thank you. We can always do something, even if it doesn't seem like much. In my worst moments, it was people just treating me like a human, like a member of the community, and seeing that there was value in me existing, made a HUGE difference.
Even things like a warm smile and a. "Hey, how's it going?" Can be comforting, as someone is acknowledging your existence without any judgement or hostility. Taking clothes you're getting rid of to homeless people, offering it to them before taking it in to a donation center.
You can't always trust all of them, but depending on how much you have to share, there's plenty you can do without opening up your home. Offering to wash some laundry is an option, or handing out leftovers.
I had a friend in a nursing home who would cook dinner for herself, just so she could leave a plate outside for me, so she knew I was fed. Gestures like that would keep me going in life when things got hard.
Advocating for them and filming when the cops are harassing them is also helpful, bullies are less likely to pick on someone vulnerable when there are multiple people watching. It's the tiny things that remind you of your humanity, and show you that you don't deserve to struggle or be in pain forever, that can mean the most in the right moment. Of course we all need money to survive but we also need compassion and a REASON to keep going, and that doesn't require any money, just some time.
@@gwennorthcutt421 oh that's the tip of a much larger iceberg. There are dirty rehabs that allow addicts to use to collect insurance money, which makes it impossible for people who WANT to get clean. Then there's being held on mental health holds, involuntarily, whether or not they have a condition or it is for a more nefarious purpose (money and control). And when one is corrupt, it goes all the way down to the therapists that sign off on things, the doctors that prescribe meds, the recommendations they give, and because they're a "professional" and you're an addict, their word is more likely to be taken as credible. It's not happened to me, but I've seen it with other people. Hell, if you want to put on your tinfoil hat, there are *allegedly* rehabs that can function as traf•fick•ing centers for vulnerable individuals who don't have strong family connections.
The power dynamic is just too enticing to some not so nice people, and it all goes awry. So that fear is definitely justified, in some cases!
I like that drug users and drug dealers are immune to contact exposure overdoses in these shows. A drug deadlier with no mask can cut fentanyl with no issue but the second a cop enters the room they’re dead
Fentanyl is like kryptonite to these police.
Yup and how do you think this Fentanyl gets to the US? You would have a string of package handlers dying. FedEx drivers would be dropping like flies. And what about the people that mule it across the borders? Yet a cop just takes a breath near fentanyl and faints like Oprah's handing out free cars.
@@jasonbone5121 like apples to doctors.
Drug deadlier would b the sickest drug dealer name
@chipskylark5500 I would assume they are incredibly upfront about trying to kill you as well, which adds to the depth of character.
"There is an obscene amount of fent in this cocaine by the way, enjoy 😊"
I used to be an EMT. Drug overdose calls were awful because cops usually also got called and they'd spend the entire time freaking out and we would be there with a thing of narcan and fluids just being like "please leave". I think we even carried fentanyl on the rig as an anesthetic for extreme pain cases. Honestly, how would people ever take it to get high if it was so toxic it that touching it would kill you? Do they have no brains?
I couldn't even count the number of people I've known who cannot pass this hurdle
As someone with 4 cop relatives. Only one is smart enough to understand chemistry. So Atleast 1 in 4 cops is smart enough to not be a coward towards chemicals. But that’s a small sample. So let’s be real and say 1 in 100 cops isn’t ignorant of facts
@@juliankirby9880 LMAO
Being a cop answers the last question.
Okay so you deal with people literally overdosing yet aren't able to understand the minimal margins of error leading up to it
Interesting
whispering "fentanyl" under my breath as i pass a cop, causing him to fly backwards like a skyrim shout
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This feels like the cocaine hysteria of the 80s. Every PSA (aimed at children) back then was claiming trying cocaine or crack cocaine even once could kill you.
My mother injured her back in 2008 and was prescribed Oxycodone by her doctor, she never asked for it. Doctor told her it was completely safe, no issues. So fast forward to late 2017, she goes to the doctor to get her prescription for that month only to find out that her doctor was fired (I still have no idea why.) And replaced with a new head doctor.
So this doctor then told my mom that he wouldn't write her a prescription for anything and that if she wanted to deal with the pain from withdrawal, she should go to a pain management clinic for physical therapy lmao These f*cking bastards seriously prescribed my mother 7 30mg oxycodone pills a day since 2010 then just stop her cold turkey. I have no idea how its legal to do that sh*t.
Oh my god. As a past addict and someone who had a similar experience at a much less extreme level this is sooo disgusting. I know the pain from withdrawl from 3 or 4 30mg pills a day. At 7 to none I feel so bad for her. That should never happen to anyone unless they are caught selling their scripts. They need to have a heart.
The happy ending will be when your mom starts Suboxone. Or maybe the bad choose your own adventure outcome, let's just say methadone, but nah.
Suboxone. Sublocade perhaps , look into it, it's a life saver
So what happened to your mom? She would of went into wothdraw within 2 days of not having it.. what did she do?
@@dreweden3499 Do you actually know what methadone is? It's a synthetic opioid created by the Germans in the late 1930's. They needed something to replace morphine as a painkiller because of wartime trade blockades. It's what all the German soldiers had in their first aid kits, right next to that tasty looking methamphetamine that was also in those kits. One to speed up, one to slow down. 😂
They were the lucky ones. Methadone is waaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy less addictive than morphine. A lot of WWII soldiers who'd been injured came home addicted to morphine. Ironically, after the US took the formula from the Germans as part of their "spoils of war" (I've just kicked your arse and now I'm taking yer lunch money), it was found to be very effective in treating opioid addiction. Somehow, when heroin hit hard and they started all the meth clinics, methadone got this image as really scary drug that's only for heroin addicts.
I've been taking it for years as part of my pain management. I can't tell you how many times I've been asked what drug was I originally hooked on. None. Just take it for pain and it works. If I don't need it for a long period of time and stop taking it, I've never had withdrawal symptoms. Methadone's probably one of the safest opioids ever made.
I prefer it when cop show make up drugs. I laugh when they try to talk about real drugs, but I’m totally invested when they’re going after a “giggle pig” dealer
Richard's on to something here
Agent Danger is on the case..
Jingle Jangle in Riverdale.
As my friend says " no way I'm putting my drugs in Halloween candy, you know how expensive good weed is."
Seriously, every toker I know says the same thing, like why would you waste your stash on kids? That's money and supplies plenty don't have a lot of to start with.
also the 'administering narcan now' part where he gets out an epipen and injects him in the leg is insane hahaha
Remember kids, always have some pocket fentanyl on hand in case of feral cop attacks.
pocket sand 2.0
@@mollusckscramp4124 pocket sand 2: fentanyl boogaloo
The fentanyl kill streaks in Call of Duty go ham.
cackling
Dale Gribble unlocked a new escpae attack
I only READ the word Fentanyl in your title and I was damn near killed!
DON'T CLICK THAT VIDEO. One second of it, and we're all dead.
@@jango7889now we are infected
🤣👍
your comment almost put me in a coma! you gotta watch out with this stuff...
Search for "fentanyl" on Google Images and you'll be dead before you get to the bottom of the page.
So when I was 29, about 14 years ago I became very sick. In the ICU and the hospital for weeks.
I hated how the IV meds would hit me like a ton of bricks and then wear off super quick and the pain would come back well before my next dose. So the doctor put me on 100 mg fentanyl patches, they were amazing and would last 3 whole days with no worries about “my next dose” or if I would be in pain for 2 hours waiting for it. Pain had taken over my life in a very short time and fentanyl gave it back to me. I will always be great full for it.
Sadly the pain never left and I am on methadone for pain as it works really well for nerve pain which happens to be the majority of the pain I deal with.
Sadly I feel shame that I have to be on medication that had such a bad reputation. As soon as people find out I’m on methadone they assume I’m an addict in recovery. These meds let me mother my kids, be a wife and a pretty normal person most days, it’s the stigma that hurts me, not the meds.
I feel ya on the methadone. I take methadone for pain as well, and everyone always assumes that you used to be an addict. I take only 10mg per day, which is WAY less than an addict would need, but is fine for pain relief. I know addicts who use methadone, and they take more like 120mg per day. So, yeah, low dose methadone users are taking it for pain, and people need to shut up about it. There's nothing wrong with treating constant pain, regardless of its source. (I'd also like to point out that taking larger amounts for pain is fine too, although illegal in my state unless you have cancer, which is bullshit, but true.)
pain management is such a boogieman and people can be so cruel about it. im glad that you can manage your pain and get access to medication that helps! quality of life is so important
fentanyl split my family way back in 2009, I've always been irritated seeing scenes with blatant misinformation. my dad was a drug and alcohol abuse counselor, so he taught me all about it bc I wanted to know what my mom was doing lol
also, the scene of the band singing about daddy cop is everything
Also, "it can be cut to make other drugs more dangerous" feels a lot like an excuse to persecute harder on lower risk drugs.
"They had pot on them, but WHAT IF THEY ADDED FENTANYL"
The whole argument is super stupid… the whole idea of “cutting” is so that each “hit” is cheaper to manufacture (and also it adds bulk to make whatever look like more than it is). 100% fentanyl is waaaay more expensive than baking soda 🤨
Above and beyond all that, I would think that drug dealers would want repeat customers. And if it’s 100x more potent than morphine, they’d be cutting the fentanyl instead of the other way around
Don’t give them any ideas 😅😢
That's why my grandparents/parents are so uptight about me using weed recreationally. "You don't know what's in it!! The Mexicans are bringing Fentanyl and all those other drugs!"
Like...thanks.
To be fair, in some places, they absolutely cut fentanyl into other drugs like cannabis. Not even close to ODing, but enough to pop positive on a drug screen. And good luck finding morphine or even heroin in a lot of places -- it's pretty much all just fentanyl.
@@azazellon But you don't know, they might be right! How many weeds have you injected?!
I had to explain this to my buddy who genuinely thought fentanyl was basically a chemical weapon. To add some background information, I am a registered nurse who handles fentanyl on a frequent basis. My buddy who is was in the police academy, was told it's this nefarious killer that would connect you to God's wifi if you even got a whiff. I'll put on gloves for transdermal patches, but anything else I'll use my bare hands because I'm equipped with something called keratinized stratified squamous epithelium, also known as skin. Its pretty good at preventing things from getting in your blood.
As a person who took fentynyl recently for fourteen days after serious dental and jaw surgery - yep - it's really sad to see the misinformation out there. I have a twelve year history of extended release opioid use (not misuse!) for Ehlers Danlos Syndrome related chronic pain from constant daily joined dislocations - so the fentynyl was my only option for relief after surgery because of my medication history and the fact that I'm a rapid metabolizer, who already has issues getting enough benefit from the medication that i regularly take just to function. The people who misuse the terminology around abuse disorders and misbelieve that ANY opioids use = abuse- it's extremely frustrating to deal with and people base thier wholly untrue beliefs on these falsehoods spread widely by media and it's extremely damaging to patients. My own mother had a fucking CONNIPTION about me being put on fentynyl while i was taking care of my infant son- until the doctor explained to her that it was absolutely safe as i don't experience ANY high or neurological effects from taking opiods- I've been cleared to drive despite being on morphine day in and day out because it just doesn't affect me mentally since I've been on there medication for TWELVE YEARS.
"connected to God's wifi"... "also known as skin" bro are you sure you don't wanna quit your job to become a writer 😅 bc you are great at writing
Excellent😂
God's wifi lmaooo totally stealing that
@@CraftyMagicDollz taking opioids daily for 12 years quite literally is the definition of misuse. It’s pathetic how Purdue pharma sold to you the idea that one can take opioids daily and “not be an addict”.
As a recovering addict (who's done fentanyl many times) & whose girlfriend went to medical school for 8 years, what I always thought was funny was when cops would find something they assumed were drugs & then acted like they were OD'ing from merely touching it or inhaling powder. What's even crazier is when people believe it.
Being British and having a passable knowledge of history, the whole concept that dangerous opioids come 'from' china definitely makes me feel... something.
As a recovering opioid addict who's made some regrettable decisions in the past that involved using fentanyl many many many many times, I was always baffled at how I was able to use 75-100mg of fentanyl every day and still maintain a productive life, but cops are supposedly dropping dead across the country just by being within a 100meter radius of the stuff.
Right!!?? I did so much of it at one point b4 i got clean i was eating the patches!!!! But a cop looks at it and is out!!!
tolerance maybe. A nondrinker would get buzzed from 1 beer, whereas as proper alcoholic would need half a liter of vodka to feel human. same could be true for opiods. a normal dose for an addict could be a fatal dose for a nonuser.
@@imarchello tolerance will not let you ingest shit that would kill someone else on contact.
@@imarchellotolerance wouldn't account for the difference between injecting it into your veins and just catching a whiff of it in the air. Fentanyl is a VERY potent drug but it definitely isn't so potent that just a microscopic but of it lingering in the air would be enough for a person to OD
wishing you all the best on your recovery. glad that you’re still here with us.
The fact cops are collpasing from the ANXIETY because of the preconceived notions about it, is so much funnier honeslty. Theyre scaring themselves! Its giving Salem Witch Trials vibes😂
Its not funny when you think about the extra charges their hysteria will bring to people.
@@kmasse81 Or the insistence of declaring "I feared for my life" The fear and paranoia that our institution of officers keeps pedaling to their selves is very worrying.
The problem is that these officers genuinely don't know this is BS and that's worrying. However pathetic, police are people and have natural biases, even the best officer is only going to know what they know and if they genuine believe its fatal, people can not only look at serious offences but also endangers life. Imagine your a cop and you see someone with something you think could kill you in their hands, for the officer in question he will treat fentanyl like Anfrax or nerve gas, to them this is a weapon which can kill. Now its stupid, I had always questioned why drug users and dealers would use a substance so deadly because of the attention it attracts and the danger involved, but these officers do believe it, and for as long as these officers believe it, even if all officers are suddenly perfect and decent people, they'll still kill minor offenders because they honestly fear imminent death.
There are drugs though that could possibly make a cop overdose. It's why they use gloves before touching any drug stuff. Alot of drugs will absorb through your skin so it's always on cop's minds and they just automatically assume fentanyl is the worst of the worst
@@kmasse81 Seriously.
"If that bag rips we're all dead!" Honey it's an opiate, not nerve gas.
The question I had when finding out the majority of fentanyl related overdoses were accidental was "why aren't there test kits to prevent this" and it ends up there are but in many states they are classified as drug paraphernalia so it's illegal for people to have them for personal use.
Enforced ignorance. Just say no to drug education.
Test kits? Why ,are you falling for the copaganda trying to make us think fentanyl is dangerous.
It reminds me of the 80's "Just Say No," where they spoke about people just giving you drugs and you becoming addicted. I waited for people to offer me free drugs to get me addicted but drugs are expensive. No one is just giving away drugs to people for the hell of it. I was always so disappointed people didn't offer me free drugs as a teenager.
no fr, i WISH it were that easy to get free drugs lmao
hell, you can't even get free weed unless you're a girl with a dealer boyfriend where i live
To be fair I get free drugs basically on the daily, but like I go to a liberal arts college so im biased. I think thats one of the few places where you just get constant free drugs.
I got free drugs from a vape shop (a joint laced with something, idk what but I was tripping really hard) because I tipped the guy, and also at a bar recently I was given some free weed. it happens but not all that often
You must be a male. As a female, drugs were always free!
@@jamesmckenna2559I woulda loved some free LSD and shrooms while I was in college 😢
last november, my grandmother was in the hospital, and the doctor told my mom’s husband that fentanyl was one of the medications she’d been given. he freaked out, saying stuff like “what do you mean fentanyl? isnt that super dangerous?!” as if the doctor doesnt know what he’s doing lol. he asked the doctor about all the videos of cops overdosing, and the doctor said that if theyre not having a panic attack, theyre lying. perception and media portrayal does matter!
Yer on prescription it's fairly safe and hard to abuse; because the dose is regulated, and reviewed with a pain management Dr, and people check if someone is going through it too quickly. Taking it as medication as prescribed won't get someone high, same as you wouldn't from ibuprofen or paracetamol.
@@vickymc9695 I'd say you still get "high", just not "very" high.
Even when I took 5mg doses of Percocet for a back injury I would say it got me "high". But i guess the crux of this argument is what is the exact definition of being "high".
Because when I took the Percocets I had a change in mental state. More relaxed, carefree, and socialable. To me that's being high, even if the effects are pretty mild.
Not saying there's anything wrong with that though. Back injury is stressful, so getting pain relief and a little anxiety relief at the same time was very beneficial
@@vickymc9695 I've taken it before after an operation, and I'd say it definitely has a notable effect, a pretty strong one at that. Like another person said, it really depends what you count as "high" since I'd compare the effect to codeine, morphine and oxycodone (of course at higher doses) even when only taking a prescribed amount for post-op pain management. Funny enough, I've gotten more "high" (if we're just talking effects other than strictly pain management) off of ketamine, which is far less strictly regulated (at least in a hospital setting) and ironically I feel gets over-prescribed specifically because doctors are afraid to prescribe opioids. Tramadol, a less-regulated opioid for what I feel are semantic reasons, actually has more psychological mood-boosting effect than "actual" opiates, and incidentally as a side-effect treated my depression before I even got diagnosed for it.
@@anadice-nemo maybe it's done differently for chronic and cancer patients, to surgical? Was slowly built up over a few months, and honestly felt more out of it on co-codamol.
Honestly your grandfather is not wrong for flipping out a lot of doctors make shit decisions out of convenience and that could’ve definitely been one
When I broke my pelvis in the Army, the pain was so severe that I could barely walk. Every step I took, I was basically dissociating mentally to keep pressing on. They never prescribed me anything stronger than ibuprofen for it. I dont know whether I'm grateful or still pissed off about that, but either way they did only give me one months bed rest for a broken pelvis before returning me to duty so they suck either way.
Typical military. People are just bodies with a serial number to them.
The VA has determined that your injury is not service related
Everytime I watch this video (about 4 times so far) I get reminded of the time in our Dare program that they were talking about fentanyl and I asked, "is there any reason people take it?" And they basically told me, "no, there's absolutely no reason, you're suspicious for asking that." It took this video for me to actually find out, yes there is a reason for doing fentanyl that isn't just doing roulette with rat poison.
When was that? That you were in the DARE program at school? I thought it had stopped in the 90s or early 2000s but maybe I'm wrong
@@XthepumpkinqueenxXx The cop they got to teach it called the class Dare, some teachers called it Drug and alcohol awareness. It was more like drug fear mongering and also alcohol. Sidenote, never ask me when something was again, it's like asking a third grader to do calculus, it's pure cruelty.
@@XthepumpkinqueenxXxsadly way wrong, it's still going in at least some states. It's been using the "Keeping it REAL'" moniker since 2009 for the miseducation syllabus. If you want to see how bad it is you can goto the organisation's website and see for yourself.
And it's that kind of BS peddled to the community that makes it tough for health care workers to talk to patients when Fentanyl use is appropriate. Like in surgery or in hospice where I work. We use it in transdermal patch form and IV pain pump for pain control. DARE has been proven ineffective. Maybe they should consider altering the program to inform people with facts instead of shaming and promoting fear. Also, it should wait until middle school. 5th graders are too young.
@XthepumpkinqueenxXx unfortunately it is still going in many places, even though there has been evidence it is completely ineffective. I think we should keep it, but change its purpose. Also, educate the cop leading it, because they spread all kinds of misinformation. We'd be better off having a pharmacist lead it or doc/nurse
Would love to see a scene where someone the cops are chasing covers themselves in "Fentanyl" then when the cops tackle them they say "I'm covered in fentanyl!", then laughs as the cops collapse from panic attacks and walks off.
That belongs in Lucifer
@@bookbook9495 "did you survive because you're the devil?"
"no detective , do you not know how much of this stuff you need to put on yourself to even get high?"
Because they'll shoot you.
@@StefanoFierros Lucifer is the kind of guy to say it’s “fake snow” and have a snowball fight before telling everyone as a funny prank
Just use chalk, the cops will pass out just the same
We can dunk on cop shows all day, but nothing has made me laugh more today than aerosolic fentanyl being treated like it's anthrax².
Underestimate Fentanyl at your own peril. I knew a guy once who was exposed to it in a closed room and he literally died. Granted, that was about three years later when he dropped his phone in the toilet and drowned.
@@btarczy5067 Oh, this is a joke. Ha!
I was trying to figure out where the foot note ² is. Then I realize you meant anthrax squared! Lol
@@btarczy5067 had me at the first half, ngl
I am a experenced musician. I can tell a studio version from a live performance. Way too many shows use studio versions at live gigs.
Can’t believe you didn’t mention the Paw Patrol episode when Ryder and Chase do a sting operation on Mayor Humdinger’s scheme to bring fentanyl into Adventure Bay.
We both know that episode isn’t canon!
Having never watched cop shows, knowing that cops do watch them, and seeing how the shows portray fenty sheds a TON of light on these crazy instances of cops convincing themselves they're ODing after touching it. I thought it was total hysteria but it turns out it was specifically instilled in them
"This is not chloroform."
By that standard, chloroform isn't chloroform; ie you can't instantly knock someone out with a chloroform soaked rag (another myth from the media).
This myth kills me… I used to work in a chemistry lab where we used chloroform as a solvent. Obviously we used basic lab safety when using it but the way media portrays it we all would’ve fainted every time someone opened the bottle
That would be cool tho
Just thought of that, neither are tranq darts lol.
Yeah, you're gonna give a person chemical burns way before you knock them out
I always assumed the intend of using that trope was not to teach someone how to knock out another person. Kind of like how the trope of putting a burning cloth in the gas tank of a car will make it explode is completely fake. While its in the past there was apparently concern in Terminator 2 about the lockpicking scene, because of its authenticity.
Clinically speaking, the difference between someone who is "Chemically Dependent" and a "Substance Abuser" is insurance coverage.
Let that absorb into your dermis.
It's so sad to hear that from Americans... such a thing isn't a consideration here in Canada at least when it comes to the basic coverage guaranteed to all Canadians.
I see what you did there...
@@thishandleistackenI mean, that's also not entirely true. I couldn't get off fentanyl, by myself, cold turkey, after being prescribed it for 4 years straight (and 7 years of other opioids, before that), and my medical files now perpetually label me as an addict.
Even though I was fine, once I put myself into a medically-assisted detox program, and have been completely fine, since then. I just couldn't do it by myself (like... no 💩).
And my doctorS didn't even know that a free, medically-assisted detox clinic existed in my city. My mom was searching the internet for anything that could help, and she found it.
I mean, I'm thankful that it doesn't completely determine my treatment (or lack thereof), but it's still there, altering medical staff's perceptions of me.
@@Acidfunkish ask any Dr's office who the most crucial person in their employment is and everyone including the Dr themselves will admit it's the billings agent. Knowing what codes to feed the insurance slime collective to get it to spit out coins is the most treasured knowledge of all. Giving drugs to "addicts" vs those "physically reliant" risks their insurance coverage for all. That's the real reason it's a boogeyman term amongst medical employees, who many of which have their own dependence issues to secretly contend with and therefore feel compelled to project such an anti-addict persona.
Of course there wasn't anyone telling you about a rapid detox program. It's a one-time charge in a subscription-only society. For the same reasons ibogaine and aheuyuasca aren't available in Rite Aid with your oxycontin and methadone, suboxone prescriptions. Know anyone who says that suboxone and methadone are harder to get off than their initial opiate?
And what no one talks about but is in medical literature if you look, is that opiates work as well/badly for mental pain as they do physical. We all know ignoring one will cause the other. The reason we don't prescribe it for mental pain is because we like to see the physical injury. And there are those anti-depressant dollars to think of. You know the ones that don't actually work on serotonin like we thought and have more child suicides on their hands than snapchat blackmailers? Opiates used for either physical or mental pain are merely a pause button to help get you off the battlefield and back to the safety of your home base where you can be nursed back to health by your team. Problem is we don't have safe home bases anymore. We don't have teams. So we just keep on trying to push pause until game over.
There has always been a difference between use, abuse, dependent, and addiction.
I was prescribed fentanyl patches for a spine injury from a car accident years ago, these people are ridiculously stupid that think fentanyl is gonna kill them from touching it. They Act like it’s some sort of magical element that defies the laws of physics. If this was true then my patches would have sent me over the moon with pain relief! I wish… I was always asking my doctors for stronger doses (I was on the Maximum dose for the patches, I was in a lot of pain)… Then as for my mom who put these patches on my back and occasionally touched them, they had no effect on her. 🤷♂️ The problem is people in real life watch too much TV and believe this crap. I once saw a video of a cop freaking out because he touched fentanyl when he was frisking a perp that had fentanyl powder on him. He laid on the ground, acted like he was having a stroke and called for an ambulance. I think he wanted some sort of Workers Compensation injury claim with the police department…
As a military medic (corpsman) we’re given access to fentanyl and carry it in our medbags in the form of lollipops (lozenge) to be absorbed in the mucus membranes of of the tongue and cheeks. When deployed in the field with marines we’re taught to use it as a field anesthetic to deal with the management of trauma in the field without access an MTF (without access to any doctors). There’s been a history of abuse in the past but it is extremely effective in managing pain and for those designated to administrate this medication, while precaution should be taken, it shouldn’t be something we should be afraid to use. The point made at 12:25 about EMTs and Doctors/Nurses not overdosing from touching fentanyl is very accurate. Disclaimer: please don’t recreationally use this medication but medical providers should use as it has been designated to you per the situation when it’s applicable.
My friend died of fentanyl poisoning about 6 months ago. It makes my blood boil when cops treat as if they are the victims in this fight. And the fact that if not for their war on drugs and insistence on not using harm reduction methods, my friend may be here today.
I've lost so many friends it's gotten to a point where very rarely is it surprising to hear someone I used to know is gone... 4 in the last year and up to around 10 in the last few years. It's a reality that I absolutely should not be desensitized to but the trauma of losing my very closest friend who was like a brother to me a couple years back and seeing his bloated brain dead body surrounded by friends while his mom cried uncontrollably is something I can't ever move on from but I also have to learn to keep living. It took my a while but I escaped entirely after 10 years. Seeing these shows is as equally sickening as it is funny in the most twisted way imaginable....
Yeah I just lost a friend to an OD. It really is all about scaring tax payers into funding cops
It’s not their war. Cops don’t care about drugs. They don’t want to be “fighting the war on drugs”.
no shit, we could all be doing good clean heroin like normal druggies. laws lead to labs labs lead to more scary shit
No bush did it how is it military was guarding poppy no burning guarding it? Why Vicodin oxycotton big pharma same as daddy bush w crack police officers are the first to have to deal w the backlash of government getting paid and are in denial jealous
If I have watched this video does that mean I’ve been exposed to fentany!??!?
Yeah, sorry, you are already dead. Rip
My condolences
Give address, I will send flowers for your funeral
Oh my god I’m gonna die I’m dying I’m dead I’m watching this from fentanyl heaven
Hurry, get to the emergency showers!!!
Don't forget about the cops who want all opioid addicts to keel over dead!
There's an extended relative of mine who has a best friend that is a cop. When they were told a few years back that they would have to carry Narcan, they protested the directive on Facebook saying they shouldn't have to touch those "disgusting junkies" and risk getting poked with a needle for someone who is just going to OD again within a week. They essentially said they'd leave their Narcan in their squad car and just let the junkie die should they run across someone overdosing.
What was even more disturbing was that other cops who were FB friends with the cop making the original statement agreed completely.
based cops
15:00 - BROOOOOOOOOOO!! I've been a disabled chronic pain patient since age 12 (my first pain Rx was about '99-2000) & after a series of failed/botched open-back surgeries on top of my already rapidly progressing degenerative spinal conditions & nerve & joint pain, I was told I was likely going to be in agony & disabled the rest of my life, but yet after being initially given decent relief, by age 16 I was being told I was "way too young to have these problems" & further had my age used from then on as the main reason I was NOT ALLOWED RELIEF that had proven to be effective in drastically improving my life. When I was on a moderate/high dose of oxy about age 23, I was able to take care of myself, go out & experience life & even go swimming enough to lose the weight that I'd gained during the months & months of bedridden recovery.
But then everyone (led by the MSM & even most progressive/indie news) started spreading the BS propoganda that 'the KIDS are ☠️ because of the legal, legit Rx pills in your family's medicine cabinet! We must BAN ALL PAINKILLERS & shut down the doctors who are keeping millions of disabled and/or dy1ng patients alive, so that the addicts & kids can move on to the next sub they can get their hands on!'
In these kind of docs, NOBODY ever talks about the forgotten & now rapidly dy1ng off disabled patients in severe, daily & hourly pain, who are being abandoned in droves when their docs are shut down or forced to retire, or the pharmacies are just refusing to fill legit scripts, left patients to either turn to illegal relief, or take a permanent way to end their pain. Don't believe me? RUclips has a slew of news clips going back 10yrs, briefly mentioning how the CLEARLY FAILED WAR ON DRGS has severely negatively hit the chronic pain patients who largely have no voice & are being quietly ended via neglect, all so the govt can have a scapegoat to continue the massive group of rich a-holes who will do anything to keep making billions off the failed WAR...
I laughed too hard when that dude overdosed from stepping in a pool of water.
rip to that man but... skill issue
Dude was walking around with 1 HP
@@guy-sl3kr allergic to chlorine
I love that in FBI that one agent seems to have fentanyl vision (tm). It's a colorless odorless powder like almost all organic chemistry products if you put fentanyl next to asprin you would not be able to tell the difference at a glance. So clearly she has the ability to see the chemical structure of fentanyl and only fentanyl....
😂😂😂
"Iocaine. I could smell it anywhere."
She's got a sixth sense called "cravings"
the "lab samples" I used to enjoy weren't odorless, one time I accidentally inhaled a big old nostril full of synthesized 5MEO and it smelled like my grandma and a kiln.
Oh, you meant- oh most people can smell things without much of a struggle...
Guess the cops should stop hiring addicts.
The worst part of these cop shows is even the ones that portray “good” cops, there are many instances where the cops blatantly violate someone’s rights. Like in the rookie when they see a rifle inside a dudes house and say they have probable cause because a person used a rifle in a crime lmao.
A person came to our school, and spent a long time talking about fentynal. He showed the videos of the cops falling, and said that 'just touching it' will kill you. Great to know ~600 kids got spread that myth.
"Administering Narcan now" *gives him an epipen*
oh I was wondering why he'd administer it through IM injection rather than a simple nasal spray, but I guess those don't actually exist and that was just for dramatic effect? I mean i get it, when you're that far down the inaccuracy rabbit hole, what's one more?
"quick! he's allergic to drugs!"
I've escaped that world but know people who still are in danger so I have the injector at home and get them for all my friends to keep with them and at their homes: Naloxone should be given to any person who shows signs of an opioid overdose or when an overdose is suspected. Naloxone can be given as a nasal spray or it can be injected into the muscle, under the skin, or into the veins.
It's even more funny when narcan is the naloxone nasal spray brand not the naloxone itself. Since naloxone can be injected like an epipen... but they referred to it as narcan lol
They do actually have intramuscular solutions, pretty common in red states (read: shit holes) typically costs $75 for a single 'kit' and about 50% of the time requires a script
I work with late stage cancer patients. A huge amount of them receive fentanyl - either the patches talked about here, or very minute injections of it when in the ER for a pain crisis. I don't think anything will make you laugh harder at these portrayals of fentanyl or of IRL cops "overdosing" from exposure than knowing that yesterday you logged a 90 year old grandma's daily fentanyl doses.
The myths had cops so worried about an OD by casual contact that we had cops experiencing false seizures/ panic attacks.
Meanwhile us in EMS were shaking our heads at the misinformation and not being worried at all about dealing with overdoses.
Even the EMS in my town are really awful about it. We had a paramedic refuse to touch somebody who was suspected to have fentanyl on their skin so I had to go get a wet wipe and clean them off before EMS would take their vitals. meanwhile I was handling fentanyl with my bare hands, picking it off of people's clothes and skin when I searched them lol
@@dizzylilthing
That is sad.
Not sure about your state, but here in Pennsylvania, we administer the stuff for pain management ourselves. I had never once heard of a medic having any reaction, and we can be sure some of them, at some point, ended up with some on their skin, so I knew the rumors about the dangers of skin contact were, at best, highly hyperbolic.
Cops faint at the mere mention of Fentanyl. As a hospice nurse who had a pain pump cassette spit liquid fentanyl at me when we were attempting to draw it out to destroy leftover I am sure that you can live through it. I went and washed my hand and arm right away and nothing happened. Did that make me a little nervous? Yes. We have used Fentanyl for many years in hospice. Typically patches. Now when we need to bump up to using Fentanyl for pain control I have to overcome people immediately recoil as I say the word. This has made it tough. I could watch videos of cops fainting when they see white powder all day.
I had an EMT try to say my symptoms - which ended up being an issue with the blood flow to my brain - were because I was "smoking weed with fentanyl on it". Even as my brain was literally dying I had the presence to say "if you truly thought that, where's the narcan?". He just looked at me, unable to reply. "Nobody puts that shit on grass, you fuckin clown" was the last thing I remember saying before I finally passed out. Thank God he didn't also give me narcan to support his false narrative... it would have probably made the whole reason why I was needing EMTs worse
If I was him I woulda given you like 5 grams of sodium straight to the aorta 😂 you sound like such an asshole but also a great person to drink with
Unironically the best response you could possibly drop before passing out tbh
i dont know about your condition, but im pretty sure naloxone cant harm you. it just blocks the opioid receptors.... in case you need surgery and anesthesia doesnt work because of the narcan - thats not good - but otherwise....
You showed more professionalism than he did, at his job. While passing out.
Glad you didn't fall for their bulshit lies.
My mum made a good point about Fentanyl that if it was that dangerous their wouldnt be any Fentanyl dealers left. In her words "they would all be dead before they even got to deal the stuff"
Methamphetamine is extremely dangerous. Are there meth dealers?
@@robertodell9193 do u die fro. Simply touching it? Because ot being dangerous on its own isnt the point. These shows always dramatise it to the point that you could die from touching it
@@robertodell9193 Yeah but meth isn’t touch it and you die instantly dangerous lmao.
@@robertodell9193 it is nearly impossible to overdose from methamphetamine (especially when compared to cocaine) The real danger is brain damage from long term use as it is one of the few drugs that is directly neurotoxic.
@@robertodell9193 making methamphetamine can be extremely dangerous, why does meth exist? 🤡
I like how he makes a reference to fentanyl not being chloroform, in that it doesn’t work instantly. But the funny thing about that is that’s something else media has chronically gotten wrong. Chloroform doesn’t work instantly either. Especially not in the small amounts the antagonist usually uses on a rag. Though, for obvious reasons, the time is only theoretical, it’s estimated that it would take a minimum of five minutes of constant exposer before you’d actually fall unconscious.
Housing Difficult, as a U.S.M.C. Vet., went homeless 3 times, just out the service... The inability to get work was dehabilitating, due to no address, communications, or semi-sanitary condition, NOT necessarily lack of housing...
When it comes to drugs, it always starts with a decision, then, determination to quit it...
I’m also a USMC vet, I had a whole plan on what I’d do when I got out but of course none of it went the way I wanted it to. I would have 100% have been homeless if I didn’t have a support system. Now that I got my VA stuff settled almost a year after I filed initially, I can finally afford to rent an apartment
I appreciate you talking about this.
I got shot last year and in the ambulance the paramedic said he was about to give me fentanyl.
I paused and asked him if he had anything else because I heard some gnarly stuff about it. I was almost more anxious about that😂
He straight up replied, "dude, you just got shot. I'm going to give you this and we'll go from there"
Apologized for making his job harder, and for being snappy. And what do you know? I'm not addicted, craaaazy /s
EMS gave me IV Midazolam once after having a cluster of seizures. Man that stuff felt great lol.
I applied Fentanyl patches to my Grandma when she was suffering from the intractable pain of terminal cancer. I washed my hands and would you look at that- 30 years later I am STILL ALIVE!
But have you considered... You might unkniwingly be a GHOST! DUN DUN DUUUUUUNNNNN!!!!
Hey if that cop show can have "god told me" as a genuine, unquestioned source of evidence, I can pull The Sixth Sense card.
As a recovering opiate addict who has lost almost their entire graduating class to overdose, I can confirm first hand how proposterously incorrect all of these shows and many documentaries are. It makes me legitimately livid.
omg I'm an ex heroin addict and I had no idea, that fentanyl was portrayed this ridiculously in american TV. I've had the laugh of my life, thanks buddy. Especially the clip in the beginning, where the black woman says something like "rip that bag and we'll all die". Made me cackle like a witch lol
Fentanyl has become so established in the meta of network dramas that it now takes borderline porn-level convenience writing to make an evening storyline with it.
Once upon a time, media would invent fake drugs with cheesy evil-sounding names to be their scary crime maguffin. All modern shows have done is given the same fake superlethal drug a real name.
It's fear porn, plain and simple. News about injustices are rage porn. There is another word for it: propaganda. The bad news is the various and assorted media outlets, networks and government agencies are all part of it. The good news is fewer and fewer people take them very seriously, about anything, anymore.
As an 18yr old who became addicted to fentanyl last year and have recently been doing well in recovery, it makes me extremely sad to see the mishandlement and the misinformation surrounding the drug. It makes recovery so much harder. You have to work through so much shame and stigma and it's honestly been the hardest thing in my life. It's a genuine real problem that is right under the general public's eyes. It's much worse than people realize. And coming up with rumors and misinformation isn't helping. We need more harm reduction. Thank you for helping so many people by spreading this information. You're helping more people than you think.
I hope you're doing well ❤❤
Good for you especially so young
I hope that your recovery is still going smoothly. Stigma and mass ignorance is truly a curse.
proud of you bro :)
Even if we assume that all homeless people are addicts, that ignores why people use drugs. One thing that really sticks with me is a story a social worker who works with homeless people told. She wanted to help a homeless man get clean, and asked why he used the money on drugs instead of other things. And he told her, that she probably would too, if she was living in the cold, no shelter, and very little social acceptance.
“I’d actually pay more for uncut” as opposed to what? Less?
I have worked in housing for some time and it’s insane, but some people really do think people suffering from drug addiction should just die on the street, instead of being offered housing. It’s dehumanizing.
Yes, people in drugs refuse housing that tells them they can't use. That's why most runaways or kids kicked out are on the street. Because they wanted to live some facet of their lives in a way that their intended caregivers did not like and used their love and roof as tools of control to bend the child to their will, or punish them for disobeying, bringing shame, or reflecting the most shameful secret qualities and mistakes of the caregiver back on themselves.
Why would someone want to accept yet another inconstant, fickle roof that would threaten their sense of safety amd self over and over again if they broke rules, or were accused of it, or any of the many other things that they have already heard as excuse to cast them out of the warmth and belonging of a home scared and alone yet again. I'd want to retain as much control over my roof or lack thereof too. At least then I could have dignity in that choice.
They don't offer these people to work for these homes and own them. They don't build autonomy and pride in humans by helping them earn their roof and take care of the place they've invested in. They use the homeless as headcount to get government funding they siphon off and steal and then act like saviors with big checks and stupid grins wanting people to think they're heroes. Heroes would help people feel productive and a part of their living and community. Not a charity case that gets controlled by purse strings and rules of whim.
People would take care of a place they had worked hard for. A place they spent effort and determination to get whether it was actually banging a hammer or working in funding, or doing basic clerical work and cleanup.
Sullen moody, drug addicted teens are evidence of a family's dysfunction and parents unwillingness or inability to fix them. Homeless people are the same evidence in a society. If having utilmate control of a person is the only way you can convince them to be a productive part of your community, your argument and methods aren't that worthy of ultimate control.
Though I don’t disagree with most of what you’re saying, I think it’s important to move away from the idea that people need to earn resources. In my experience, people who have mental health and drug related illnesses that lead to chronic homelessness aren’t trying to be careless. They have gotten used to or been raised in a world where taking care of a home or space was the least important part of survival.
These government programs do just fill beds for numbers then offer no support to teach people how to live in a healthy environment. And because health care is so hate kept, most of these individuals can’t even get consistent
Mental health services to work through the underlying issues. No basic needs are being met and you can’t expect somebody to meet societal standards if they don’t even have their basic needs. It’s a broken system subject to the same bullshit profit drive as the rest of our world.
@@maebandy there is so much wrong with what you said.
@@parentingplus5125 obviously there are people that are at such a stage of crisis that empowering them and housing them at the same time won't be possible. But to just throw money at people or throw them out isn't the answer. And leaving all of this to the government to handle alone isn't ever going to work out. Sorry but people that don't like their neighborhoods being run over with tents might have to involve themselves after the violent and dangerous are cleared out.
And yes it is a bs system corrupted because the people involved know that they are being paid to make the mess go away. It took decades to get this bad and it's going to take longer than people want to resolve it meaningfully. But leaving the work.and the money to government alone will never work. Vote with our phones, decentralize power, educate the voters hip with tiktok style videos with every interested party contributing their own series of shorts. Require involvement of people in their communities and more presence with anyone who gets power. But remove most of the leaky bucket middlemen
@@parentingplus5125 Very true!
First you need to get people into a safe space and make sure they are housed, fed and have health care.
THEN you can encourage them to get the rest of their life in order by becoming clean, looking for a job, getting their own place, and finding purpose.
Because only when they feel reasonably safe they can even begin to tackle the other things. Some they may never achieve - maybe they are unable to work forever - but a civilized society should try to offer everybody a place in it. Even if that person cannot fullfil all the expectations, they should get the opportunity to achieve and do whatever is possible for them to achieve and do.
My mom was regularly prescribed fentanyl patches for pain management. Yeah, it can absolutely be abused, but like.... the fact that a single patch would last seventy-two hours means that obviously you can't get high from just brushing up against it, and you certainly can't overdose by doing that. That's....ridiculously insane.
I've watched so many people cut those things up and put squares on tinfoil to smoke it back when I was younger... so grimy. No one ODed doing it but it was still gross. I was in the room while they smoked and yeh didn't die or feel a damn thing. I'd honestly prefer someone take a puff here where I have naloxone always on hand than them do it elsewhere alone... I'd even prefer it to someone smoking a cigarette in my place.
Same here! I’d even help her apply them and I’d accidentally touch the adhesive side on occasion. Guess what happened? Not a damn thing.
They blamed pain sufferers for this epidemic. There's zero correlation between legitimate use & addiction. The media lied about all of it.
LMAO 2:40 My mom was watching this show and I walked into the living room during this scene and burst out laughing. I had to explain how fent actually works to her because her only understanding of it comes from cop shows
as a "functional" opioid addict, the way fentanyl is described leads people to blame addicts for overdosing when the reality is it's drug dealers poisoning addicts by giving them unknown amounts of fentanyl in their product making it impossible to dose correctly.
There is no such thing as a functional ope addict. I thought I was one for 10 years, except the last few where let's just say I'm lucky I'm alive. It's a delusion caused by the chemical and psychological addiction and I don't blame you for believing you're functional or thinking it can last. Trust me Suboxone (NOT Methadone) then tapering out of it is by far the best way out. I'm more than happy to discuss this more in depth if you're comfortable doing so
@@thishandleistacken There's a reason i put it in quotes. I know I have to figure out how to break the addiction but in the mean time being blamed for my problems by the wider world doesn't help.
@@SOOKIE42069 Yeh it's not a good feeling to be blamed by others and society at large. On that note though it is for sure important to take responsibility/ownership for the bad choices we make but taking responsibility/ownership is entirely different from taking the blame. Responsibility is empowering, the blame just produces guilt and shame. Guilt and shame do nothing to help, they're a huge part of why I fell into addiction to begin with.
For me the motivation to seek Subs came from a mix of good faith concern from others, lots of self reflection realizing I had been letting a decade of my life pass by focusing so much on getting and using instead of learning skills and practicing personal passions, realizing that although the stigma society gives users is excessive and grotesque it makes sense why people have less trust for addicts, less faith they'll maintain stability whether at work or in a relationship or friendship etc etc. I would not trust the person I used to be because I know just how much using came first and foremost before pretty much all other priorities.
Anyway I don't wanna rant at you... but I do truly truly hope the best for you and know you can beat this if you keep at it no matter how small each step you take is or if you backslide now and then. You'll make it. Be well mate
There are plenty of functional opioid addicts. There is an entire program at SF General Hospital that provides methadone to addicts who are able to hold down jobs and work and stay housed. Being able to have a consistent, pharmaceutically-defined amount allows them to manage their withdrawal without fearing overdose, since they know what’s in it. Which is why drug decriminalization and regulation would massively reduce overdose deaths
@@SOOKIE42069recognizing you have a issue to begin with is a small step but still a step in the right direction. Good luck with everything. I’m 16 months clean from opiates. At one point I was in your position, still functional but knew it was an issue looming over me like gray clouds.
What's this? Cops lying about drugs?
I for one, am absolutely crestfallen
But...but ..but they took an oath!!😭
But they were in the DARE program!!
Here in the UK, as most places I expect, we were told as kids drug dealers would give us free drugs, as adults we realise that was obviously nonsense because a. there's no benefit to getting an addict who has 0 money and b. they never need to give out free drugs they can always sell them lol
Obvious to anyone who has done drugs. Our educational system works very hard to scare people away from drugs AND drug education.
Throughout this video I think of that video of a man in the hospital being told he’s receiving a dose of fentanyl and he immediately freaks out before the doctors explain to him that the fentanyl they’re giving him is completely safe and an appropriate dose. That man isn’t dumb, he’s just misinformed like so many others.
The homelessness conversation in public and political discourse continuously ignores: people with jobs that don't pay enough for housing, people on disability that doesn't cover cost of living, youth aging out of the foster system, families with children, runaway minors, victims of household violence, the elderly, veterans, people with autism, queer folk, and others shut out of the employment market due to systemic prejudices, and people who are off the street but do not have true access to stable shelter.
I was going to congratulate you on injecting some common sense into this comment section until I got to "queer folk". Homosexuals can't buy or rent homes? Who are the people "shut out of the employment market due to systemic prejudices"? What are the "systemic prejudices"?
@@robertodell9193 “queer folk” are for example trans people who leave states like Missouri for California because living on the street there is safer than living in Missouri. “Others shut out of the employment market due to systemic prejudices” - there are numerous studies where resumes with “black sounding” names were 50% less likely to get callbacks than the same resume with a “white sounding” name. White Americans with high school degrees are more likely to get callbacks than Black Americans with bachelor degrees, and routinely out-earn them.
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Statistics exist, you can try looking them up next time you have a knee jerk reaction.
Queer people, in fact, deal with housing discrimination. Queer youth are at higher risk of being kicked out or running away from unaccepting family of origin.
Systemic prejudices in the employment market like: ageism, ableism, racism, transphobia.
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Considering how many conservative people associated queerness to "pdf file," an openly queer person can be barred from buying a home "for fear of child safety."
Yep I remember one of the main stats that changed my view on it was the fact that something like 50% of homeless people are employed.
I've made a few comments here but I had to tackle the rainbow fentanyl one. I'm a fentanyl addict. I have been for 3 years now. I thought I'd give some insight into the reality of the situation
Misconception: Rainbow fentanyl was being targeted at children.
There are so many things wrong with this that it actually physically pains me. Let me give you a breakdown of all the reasons why drug dealers don't want to sell/give drugs to your kids.
1. Children do not have disposable income. They don't have the money to buy drugs at all, let alone support an addiction
2. Children don't have reliable transportation to get drugs. Obviously these kids don't have licenses, so they would need a parent or other adult in their life to drive them to get the drugs. No way they could get away with that
3. There is no way drug dealers would just be handing out free product to children on Halloween or any other time really. Because A) They're not making any money from that. There's no way they'd be giving out a shit load of drugs for free. B) It would be so easy to track down who was giving these children fentanyl.
Believe it or not, most drug dealers aren't evil cartoon villains and they don't want to hurt children. Just look at the way pedophiles and child abusers are treated in prisons. Now if you're gonna go for the angle that it is targeted at young teens because it looks like candy, you're not giving teens enough credit. Teenagers are not toddlers. They're not gonna eat random pills because they're rainbow colored.
Btw- the rainbow fentanyl was a thing. I used it for a while. It was basically the same as the blue ones but I think it had some type of benzo in it too. That's it.
Honestly it would be nice if fent pressies were rainbow or a different color than the pharmaceutical ones. It makes it blatantly obvious that it's not real oxycodone/hydrocodone etc. Some dealers/vendors have done similar things. They would have etizolam (rc benzo) bars but instead of the Xanax presses saying xanad it would say ETIZ, making it painfully obvious it's not Xanax.
Rainbows were stronger. Where I live anyway. In Seattle
Yeah I always thought the "Rainbow drugs = tricking kids" argument was silly, ecstasy pills have silly shapes because they're a damn party drug, it's not meant for children
Your so lit you forgot your point lol.
Rainbow fentanyl is a thing to make it stand out. That is the point, it’s like how the coral snake has vibrant colors to show predators it is venomous, same with the poison fart dog. It’s not meant to look like candy it’s meant to look like a miscolored pill or powder so the buyer doesn’t think it is a real pill or cocaine.
@@Smokeyjoedamanedamythdalegend the Fentanyl is coloured so if it's mixed into Coke by some idiot in the US the users will know. If any pink or colourful stripes appear in the white then it's dangerous unless you already have a tolerance for opiates. The conservative myth of evil Latino dealers giving colourful pills to kids out of sociopathic spite is hilarious - for free to make it extra evil
"If that bag rips, we're all dead!" 😂 I just choked. OMG I had no idea how absurrrd these shows are and I was not ready.😂
Chicago med uses fentanyl all the time. In like every episode. That episode was totally left field
Cracking TF uppppppp at "if that bag rips, we're all dead!" It's too much
I work out of a youth harm reduction center. So we provide things like narcan trainings and fentanyl education. You have no idea how many people will make comments about "overdosing by physical contact" or "laced weed" as a fact. Often times will even argue with me or my coworkers saying that we don't know the truth about fentanyl.
AND don't get me started on how apathic people are when discussing MAT programs or other harm reduction methods. It's so stigmatized and tragic.
And these cop shows definitely aren't helping that.
You can smoke fentanyl with marijauana, I’ve done it and my best friend was addicted to it. He would mix some of the fentanyl powder from the pills into a pipe with weed. I took one hit and it was the hardest nod of my entire life, beat every pain pill I’ve ever taken out the water by a long shot from one hit off a weed pipe. It was so intense I feel like if I took another hit it would probably have been an overdose or damn close. So technically you can mix fentanyl into a joint just like kief and it would work, I wouldn’t believe the shit I’m saying if I hadn’t done it first hand tbh
It would require a lot more fent compared to using foil. It gets destroyed at a fairly low temperature, so lots of it would just burn by doing that. Surprised you like fentanyl more than any other pain medication you've done. Fentanyl kinda sucks compared to lots of Pharmaceutical stuff.
Also fun fact; before it was in dope bags like it is today, it was massively overprescribed by the same doctors who were overprescribing other opiates.. You mention it being in an episode in 2012. That was around the time that I first saw fetanyl on the streets and it was not in a baggy. It was the fetanyl patches that kids were getting and sharing like candy...... It came from doctors.
Do you remember the suckers?
You've taught me to hate the dramatic info dump scene. With so many of them bunched together, the artificiality of the staging and the hoky melodramatic acting become almost painful to sit through. I have a feeling every screenwriting manual ever written warns against klutzy exposition and suggests clever ways to communicate facts (or rather, "facts") organically. And the writers of NCIS and Blue Bloods just tossed the manuals in the trash with an evil laugh. "Our viewers DON'T CARE about quality, mwahahaha!"
You have to remember. Specifically with Blue Bloods and NCIS, the target audience is elderly people. Not old people. Elderly people. A group that 1 In 3 people are suffering from age related mental health issues. If they don’t do that. Forgetful Grandpa may forget why he is supposed to care about the story in each episode.
@@juliankirby9880 mike stoklasa laughing
Yes, every single screenwriting basics course teaches you this. You ask for feedback on a script and they’ll eviscerate you for what these shows do. Serialized television sits outside the boundaries of what’s considered “good” writing.
@@fatuousinnovatorofsadness4640 I feel my love for cheesy serialized sci fi is being attacked! an info dump scene only works with lots of made up sci fi words. like when star trek characters explain the sci fi gadget of the week.
@@juliankirby9880 you can't get excited if they don't go through a random detail explanation of the science behind the flux capacitor 😂
Narcan/Naloxone is itself actually an opioid. It’s just a super weak one that requires extremely large doses to provide any noticeable effect. Despite that, it has almost a magnetic quality when it comes to your opioid receptors. This essentially allows it to cut the line ahead of other opioids, shoving them out of the way like a mom of 5 on Black Friday . So now your receptors are busy dealing with the Narcan/naloxone while the other opioids wait their turn, except your liver is actively filtering your blood, removing the opioids. Eventually the Narcan/Naloxone will be spent so in most cases you will need another dose to continue blocking out the other opoids until your liver is done doing its thing.
True. Depends on the method of entry and what happens next. If someone ingests a lethal dose of some xr pills, it might take more than even the second dose if they refuse any further treatment.
....it's not an opioid it's an opioid antagonist. Saying naloxone is an opioid is nonsense. You also wouldn't need a lot to feel an effect, in fact if you have even the smallest amount of any ACTUAL opioid in your system you will get suddenly and violently sick. Please research what you say before you say it.
@@daniellesve5595 That's also not true. Naloxone is a opioid that binds very strongly to the opioid recepors without activating those receptors. Meaning it outcompetes every opioid in your system so you get sober in a minute. Of course if you're opioid depended you'd go into immediate voilent withdrawal but when you're not you'd just sober up.
"Naloxone is a lipophilic (fat attaching) compound that acts as a non-selective and competitive opioid receptor antagonist." so it's kinda semantics to argue about whether it is or isn't an opiate. The important thing is no one gets high on it and it saves lives.
@@thishandleistacken 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Thank you for the right type of pace that keeps the viewer engaged, none of the annoying music on so many video's and straight out showing how many lies are on TV; this was refreshing in it's presentation.
The videos where the cops fake like they're passing out just so they can get out of work for awhile are hilarious.
After this series, all the cop shows seem to quickly hit me as propaganda. Fuck
Welcome to the real world brother
@@jayplay8869 its painful to have eyes
@@mexicanwitharock ignorance is bliss my friend
Well. They are.
They are. Cops will allow shows to use their branding and vehicles in order to promote themselves. They’re absolutely propaganda
Great job! I watched the entire video, which is something I can’t normally do with videos this long given my ADHD. Whatever you’re doing, keep doing it
I can't get over that character from FBI acting like fentanyl is like anthrax if the bag ripped open 😂
the dehumanization of drug addicts is so sickening. addiction is a devastating condition that doesn’t make someone any less worthy of compassion.
My first experience with Fentanyl and the "contact high" myth being discussed on television, because I am sheltered, was in Season 7, Episode 7 of Elementary... which went on to explain, very quickly and succinctly, that the "contact high" was a total myth (the actual murder weapon was cat hair and a sabotaged inhaler). That episode first aired in July 2019, which makes me wonder if it was in response to some of these others shows airing at the time...
EDIT: It even talks about the carfentanil used in the Russian hostage crisis in that same episode.
As usual, Elementary is significantly better than other procedural shows. Thats where I first learned that Fentanyl wasn’t as easy to overdose on as other cop shows wanted you to think.
@@babyvia6712 thats not very high bar to clear.
@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 that’s….fair
As an ex addict, the amount of myths I’ve had to explain to people that aren’t true is crazy
The "areest me but make it sexy" was hilarious 🤣
I read a local news story in Boston recently about a police dog who overdosed on Fentanyl that she inhaled while working as a drug-sniffing dog. A story like this is scary, but if you think about it, it really emphasizes that you have to SNORT Fentanyl (like a dog sniffing) in order to get an environmental overdose.
Once again, the real story is that dog is man's best friend and man is man's worst enemy. 🐶
21 mins in, that cop on ncis hawaii said "administering narcan now" while 100% administering epinephrine. I know this because 1) epi is injected into a muscle unlike narcan which is a nasal spray and 2) that's the most common brand of epipen on the market. Epinephrine can conceivably help against opioid overdose in the short term (like you'd still need a hospital, but maybe it can buy you 10 minutes for the ambulance to arrive), but it also might not and is definitely much less effective than narcan, which is actually treating the opioid overdose by blocking opioid receptors, not just forcing your heart to beat faster to try and fight the most dangerous symptom.
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that
naloxone is currently available by intramuscular (IM) or subcutaneous (SubQ) injection, nasal spray, or intravenous IV. IV and SubQ version offer 1ml ampule. Former EMT Advanced
Narcan, which has the chemical Naloxone was available as an IM (intramuscular) injection before the nasal spray was manufactured and spread basically everywhere in the late 2010's... I know this because I used IM naloxone to save my brother from three different heroin overdoses. It was not covered by insurance and was usually in 50mg vials which cost $400-$500. Alright i'm outta here.
The narcan nasal sprays are actually relatively new, it was narcan in injectable form prior and narcan in injectable form still absolutely exists.
Ok, I was confused about that too. I'd only ever heard of Narcan as a spray before.
Idk what's more funnier, the garage band's song at 31:38 or the fact that Skip had to watch A LOT of Blue Bloods to get his info! Lol! 😂😂
I didn't know that Chicago Fire was a show until they filmed an episode above my apartment. When I heard they were coming, I thought they were shooting a soccer commercial.
I can’t say I know why the idea originally started that touching/being too close to fentanyl can kill you. But I always felt like it was at least partially due to misunderstanding transdermal patches, since a common method of administering fentanyl for chronic pain is through fentanyl patches.
Like I just imagine a cop remembering his grandpa with a fentanyl patch in palliative care and thinking, “oh, if he can get fentanyl through a patch, that means it can just get sucked in through my skin. Holy shit, I will OD and die if I touch this fentanyl powder.”
I mean if it's actual pure and potent fentanly derivative you cold get it on your hands not noticing and then eat a sandwich/ lick your fingers etc.
At the end of the day, I believe it's just copaganda to stir fear in recreational drug use and therefore "justify" extreme and militant reaction towards drug users.
@@J-manli disagree, I think it’s from the panic caused by our news cycle. Cops are just as dumb as anyone else. People ARE dying from fentanyl, even kids in wealthy areas. So the media does one of those stories where they show how much “could be” a fatal dose, and it’s like a few grams of perfectly pure carfent from a research lab. So cops take that info and go from there. Seizing a dealer with 7 grams of 1% pure fent isn’t a small time dealer it’s “enough fent to kill 10,000 people that is now off the streets”. The same way they always use gram prices for how much a bust is “worth”. It’s a product of our media system and the games they play to get people interest.
deliberate misinformation campaign by police.
I forget which sheriff but he went on tv and said the best course of action is to let them die from the over dose and then just made shit up about danger to his officers as the excuse.
this was like 2015
Im so glad i got clean. I remember back when powder fentanyl first started showing up in my area, it was mostly something that was dealer-specific. Nowadays, its literally all you can find. Shortly before i quit, i noticed it started making me a zombie in ways that nothing else did when i did the street fent back when it was brand new in 2016. Then i read about xylazine and it all made sense. Stay safe out there and please, GET CLEAN AND SOBER
Good for you!! My best friend just recently passed away about a month ago from fent and my older brother still is addicted when hes out of jail, stay on the right path! And best of luck with your addiction struggles
I've been clean for years of fentanil, thanks man.
I've lost I don't even know how many friends now too fentanyl overdoses. I overdosed on it twice. I've now been in recovery for over 8 years. To be honest, fentanyl is one of the reasons I got clean. It scared me. No other drug has scared me like that before.
Like you said, it used to be dealer specific when it first came around. Then, you started getting a little bit here and there and heroin. Then, they shut the pill mills down and all the pills turned into fentanyl pills. You didn't know what you were getting.
It's not as scary as they make it out on cop shows, but it's still very scary.
"It takes time for it to work, this isn't chloroform"
Uhh, I got news for you, buddy...
my buddy eric was a cop, but someone two streets over said the word fentanyl and he exploded on the spot