Hey team, apart from the knobs not matching the actual values, do the compressors 1) sound good? and 2) do they do a reasonable job of emulating the targeted models?
Very good review. That's what the studio audio community needs. So many bad plugins are sold to us. We don't have time to test them all. This helps a lot in the decision.
Melda's TurboComp plugin lets you cycle thru different kinds of compression types and keeps your settings as well, plus all that Melda weirdness we all love. Great video!
@@andrewrice9383 Melda's stuff is tricky to get a feel for, plenty of little variables and tweaks possible. There's some good videos out there about how to get the most of each one, especially their multi-band plugins.
Really love M Turbo Comp MB, but have to be very subtle with most of the models especially with the saturation , a little goes a long ways with M turbo comp.
Good points. Probably a bigger point here is I think we have a great bunch of compressor plugins out there now. Seems we have hit a limit. Sound is great, now its all tricks.
All good points. I’m wondering to myself if the differences came about bc the actual hardware they are attempting to model are actually like that? Could too much realism be hurting them?
The artifacts from the aliasing were -150dB! You are not going to hear that, and if you boosted an audio file until you could hear that then the signal would be ruined anyway. (PS I have no dog in this fight since I don't have a PIA sub or own this plugin; I have Unisum, so no need for anything else.)
Nice video, I think Three Body are probably going for features over quality control so I'm sticking with the FF stuff for now. But pleased to see them shaking things up a bit and giving FF something to think about. Well done for pointing out that the grass isn't always greener.
Every company should be held accountable for their products. If its good, they deserve credit, if its bad, let them know as well. TBTech has done some weird stuff with their Kirchhoff Eq with the ''analog'' eq emulations and on this one again. Regarding Fabfilter , I am an avid PRO-Q3 user but I do think FabFilter needs to step up by now and introduce new features. For instance I use Eventide's Spit EQ a lot as well these days because of the split functionality and usually wil keep using it on a track instead of Pro-Q3 when I need it and normal EQ as well.
@@whitenoisestudio I wasn't really tempted by the Kirchoff tbh, the Pro Q3 does pretty much everything I need. I do have the split eq (but rarely use it) but the other eq that I use along with Pro Q3 is the Pulsar 8200. Perhaps it's because of the parallel processing but it does something different to the Pro Q3 and I find it better for shaping. It also has a great de-esser which I'm starting to use more and more (tip: hold the shift key when changing frequency on the de-esser to isolate the band). I'm not quite such a fanboy of the Pro C2 and think there are several obvious improvements that could be made. Firstly, the auto gain which doesn't really work well enough but mainly the documentation of the different styles. I know it's about ears not eyes but my eyes would like to see an explanation from FF about what the different styles do and how they are meant to affect the audio signal. I genuinely haven't found any proper explanation, even from Dan Worrall, and it shouldn't be a secret.
Pulsar 8200 is excellent, no doubt about that. Parallel EQ is pretty sweet, the main difference is how each band influences or doesnt influence eachother. Your comment actually inspired me to do a video about that. Split EQ is great when you want to change sustain or transients on a specific area on an audio track. Great to reduce for instance reduce boominess without losing thump. I dont use Pro-C2 that often. I find that I can work better with other compressors, like the elysia mpressor plugin or adptr's sculpt. I often also grab the emulations of the wel known classic ( 1176, la2a etc.)
Very good and very fair points. I was thinking during your review that this is a case where "gain compensation" could be a useful option when evaluating the different compressors if you want to audition characteristics and such. But yes, this does need to be ironed out in some kind of update. That aside, this does have the potential of being like an alternative Pro-C2 much like how the Kirchhoff EQ is an alternative Pro-Q3. Funny enough, that also has some issues as it creates the impression that they emulated the THD as well as the curves. (AFAIK, it was just the curves). I can appreciate ambitious ideas, but I've found that they have to work. And maybe this was a case of aiming too high and hitting the roof on the way.
The biggest issue for me is the lack of clarity on what is actually happening and the wrong info on the plugin itself. If TBTech would have simply made that matching, there wouldn't be a real issue at all, but like this? And yeah, you're right on Kirchoff; how they handled those ''analog eqs'' made me somewhat suspicious for this plugin.
Although not as good as Tiger MU, Midnight by Acustica AUdio is a decent Fairchild emulator compressor when paired with the right high frequency saturator and EQ plugins to follow it on the chain. But yeah: Midnight > Cenozoix any day of the week.
My Go2 Plugin Alliance plugins: the AMEK Mastering Compressor--(for obvious reasons hence part of its name) the ADTRPB MetricAB-- (to check for negative and positive correlation and LUFS metrics) sometimes the bx_masterdesk PRO (for stereo correction to stay wide yet in phase) and the new bx_enhancer
I really think you are over-concentrating on the visuals/numbers. As you said yourself, a strength here is the ability to quickly survey through different compressor options; but when you find the one you like best that is when to start fine tuning. The fact a mastering compressor sounds odd with a 4:1 ratio isn't that surprising.
No I’m not. The fact is that it’s implied that there are many differences between compressors while in reality it’s almost just different settings. It falls in the same category as making a plugin 0,5dB louder by default- it makes people think it sounds better. Why would you hide that and give false info, because that is what happens. The solution is really simple: just show what the real attack and release times are, ditto with thresholds and ratios. If they would have done that, all would be good.
I want a nice (pref visual) compressor that doesn't click at the lower attack rates. I always seem to run into that issue, even when the compressor is dialed in at a 0.00 ms attack. This is the first one that actually has anti-click functionality built in, which is great. I hope the others are going to follow that trend, or I might just have to put aside some money for this one.
My logic behind this is that you want the fastest attack and compressors arent build for that, they always leave a snap which is very much wanted by a lot of users. You seem to want to tame the transient completely and that's where a limiter will do exactly what you need. You can always use a compressor in combo with a limiter to sculpt the sound more - experiment with a limiter before or after that compressor.
It's unfair to point that shaddy shreshold settings. Just pick up another compressor in plugin doctor,let's say pro C2，do the same to it , you'll get similar result. That's because "Attack" does not work as you might think .
Did you miss the point of where the threshold is set and what it is actually doing? Completely different. Its also shown in the graph of the plugin which differs enormously of what is happening under the hood. That doesnt happen with let's say pro c2.
@@whitenoisestudio ok, i did see huge difference in mastering style between Cenozoix and Pro C2 in plugin doctor. Cenozoix starts compressing a little slower after touching -12.5db，that's weird. BTW，I also saw a lot weird things about compressors in plugin doctor long ago. Many do not show the true attack and release time at all. Many start compressing before the exact seting threshold number. I believe Cennozoix is not the only one. The oversampling part suprised me.Thanks for that. I payed for almost every product of TB Tech. And I did criticize TB Tech for a lot of years. Their products have bugs all the time. Sometimes 2 or 3 knobs do not work at all, sometimes crash. But finally they fix them one by one. Cenozoix is the only one I did not complain,even now I know the oversampling problem and the mastering problem. I use it a lot recently , find it grate to use 1 Cenozoix other than use 2 other compressor combos.
@@whitenoisestudio Thx 4 that info. I just find another interesting thing. Threshold changes in different frequencies.while pro C2 dosent. I cant say its good or bad, its interesting.
Usually compression hits different at different frequencies as well. Lower frequencies tend to compress more. Also compression affects the threshold curve. What you see on most displays is around 1khz.
I think the emulations are just a gimmick. If you have control over all parameters including saturation/harmonics then you don't need different looking knobs IMO. Just tweak to taste. I like the AMEK mastering compressor for that reason.
If you want to review a great and highly underrated compressor, look no further than to Voosteq Material Comp. Obscure Japanese developer, absolute DSP genius!
I was using it for a few mixes, I like the analog curves for tonal shaping, but I really dislike what it does to a kick drum, completely destroys the low end and makes it sound too "clicky". Now you can compansate for the loss of low end by adding in the N style analog flavor which has a low end bump, but it begs to question why should I have to resort to that. Also, the 500ms maximum release is too short for practical purposses, especially when the tempo of the song is slower than 100bpm and I am using a coresponding long release to push something back in the mix, 500ms is too fast for that. Yes you do have a 1s release in the Fet model but it behaves completely different. Some people were claiming that the release timing is not what the numbers represent, meaning it has a much longer release than what is stated, but I haven't tested out that, nor will I, I'm just about given up on that comp. Their Model N channel strip however is something unbelievably good
@@whitenoisestudio Hahahahaha!!! Lmao ….😂 Watching second video in a week saying „Nice to not hear you again!“ 🤣 . now i cant go to sleep cause i am loughing
Absolutely. This video is here to make users aware of how your ears can be tricked easily by simply changing under-the-hood parameters and not telling it. Just as sneaky as a plugin that, by default, has a slight volume boost.
@@ponibreyer7064 You can start using just your ears when you are over 10 years old mixing every day... the professionals tell that , for others like all here it is important to have the graph
I had to report and issue with the OS. It's removing low end the higher in OS you go the more low end you lose. They were able to reproduce they said. How did the plugin ever get released like this. Maybe it's because to be in the beta program all you need to do is PAY! With the companies I test for this plugin would have never seen the light of day. SMH!
Part of the "perks" you get with the highest priced bundle is access to the beta program. At least to me, that's a terrible idea if you really want to ensure you plugins are being tested properly. As you said, PA has a track record of this already. @@whitenoisestudio
I have never tested Tiger of Acustica, cant keep up with their release amount and those confusing names. But it looks sculpt wins in versatility with its 4 distinct compressor /expansion modes and I would guess Tiger would win with the ''analog emulation'' although sculpt is meant to be clean. .
If the tool can get you the sound you're trying achieve and suits your workflow , that's really all that matters, all this other overtechnical information doesn't get any real world work done.
If your odometer tells you you drive 80mph but in reality it’s 90 mph and you get fined, would you be ok with that? Of course not. But you still get from a to b and get the job done in a car that you like. Sometimes I wonder why people are so willingly getting deceived in plugin world.
@@whitenoisestudio Great point, but in my case I'm just getting my compression tasks done using the graphical display and my ears, I'm just not as geeky as you I guess.
@GWavvy it’s not about being geeky or not, it’s about what is presented by the developer is honest and what’s really happening. It’s not. I’m all for using only ears when mixing obviously. But developers also need to be called out when they do sketchy things because there are many tricks that easily fool once perception. Take for instance that some plugins add a little level boost by default- that will always sound like an improvement because “louder is better”. I want to be able to trust my tools, and if thresh would’ve simply made the visuals match with what is happening there wouldn’t have been an issue in the first place. It’s actually a shame since this compressor is rather capable.
@@whitenoisestudio I totally agree with you but I would like to ask you on the other hand, despite that minor discrapancy could it be still functional in its current state?
Just like everything else on Plugin Alliance, a complete scam. I can't believe how much money these guys make without any quality control. Truth is you can do everything you need to make your music sound good with the stock plugins in any daw, if it doesn't... your time and money is much better spent doing comprehensive courses in eq, compression and delay/reverb. If you still want a complete setup with both coloring and comfort options I would simply get the following: 1. Fabfilter bundle for all basic tools 2. Soundtoys bundle for creative effects 3. Buy hardware: One 1176 clone, one LA2A clone, one used dbx 160a, one pultec clone and maybe a hardware spring reverb. If you have the money an old Space Echo will also be a gamechanger. Forget all the modelling bullshit. The hardware clones out these days like Warm, Lindell etc are completely good enough and will give you something no plugin can.
I have to object that everything on Plugin alliance is a complete scam. That's simply not true. Many good developers on there for instance Neold and Adptr. Just feeling that Brainworx and TBTech are dropping the ball in a massive way right now.
@@whitenoisestudio I think it's mostly due to the focus on the names and looks of the plugins while having basic features like accurate values not being correct. Honestly feels like it's a marketing ploy targeting amateurs and their wallets. Throwing big colored, serious looking, knobs on the "Amek" eq's and comps for example. Then marketing it as "smooth and transparent". Know what's transparent? Your basic damn digital eq that you already have for free. You know as I do. If you spend time grinding to really understand basic eq and compression in a way where you end up being able to utilize them to do actual conscious decisions that matters instead of just noodling about, that's how you get a good mix. Not these romanticized ideas. I'm getting "audiophile" community vibes. Buying speaker cables costing 5000$ per meter that are specially designed to go back in time into the head of the mixing engineer and change the properties of the mix so what YOU want to hear comes to the forefront... or you just spent insane amounts of money for nothing and now your brain has to compensate by actually bringing that sound forward in your mind. Totally worth it! It's that vibe, and I see lot's of beginners just collect these plugins like they are Pokemon cards instead of making music and learning the basics. Feels misleading, negative to the community and roadblock for people who can't understand why their mixes don't sound the way they want. Sorry.. rant over :P
Of course they sound different but its a “bug” that prevents the plugin from showing the actual settings in the graphs/displays on the gui…it’s changing but the scop is not reflecting the actual settings, they are stuck showingh the initial settings
Hey team, apart from the knobs not matching the actual values, do the compressors 1) sound good? and 2) do they do a reasonable job of emulating the targeted models?
I’m really enjoying this compressor; it has a noticeable and positive impact on the sound.
Very good review. That's what the studio audio community needs. So many bad plugins are sold to us. We don't have time to test them all. This helps a lot in the decision.
Melda's TurboComp plugin lets you cycle thru different kinds of compression types and keeps your settings as well, plus all that Melda weirdness we all love. Great video!
Thanks for sharing!
I’m not sure I really like the way that one sounds, could be wrong. I haven’t extensively tested it.
@@andrewrice9383 Melda's stuff is tricky to get a feel for, plenty of little variables and tweaks possible. There's some good videos out there about how to get the most of each one, especially their multi-band plugins.
Really love M Turbo Comp MB, but have to be very subtle with most of the models especially with the saturation , a little goes a long ways with M turbo comp.
Good points. Probably a bigger point here is I think we have a great bunch of compressor plugins out there now. Seems we have hit a limit. Sound is great, now its all tricks.
All good points. I’m wondering to myself if the differences came about bc the actual hardware they are attempting to model are actually like that? Could too much realism be hurting them?
Maybe, whi knows. I just know that when I see 15ms displayed for attack, I expect 15 ms. Not 18, 5 or any other number ^^
Maybe they need to make the attack knob more of a % numeric instead of miliseconds@@whitenoisestudio
The artifacts from the aliasing were -150dB! You are not going to hear that, and if you boosted an audio file until you could hear that then the signal would be ruined anyway. (PS I have no dog in this fight since I don't have a PIA sub or own this plugin; I have Unisum, so no need for anything else.)
Haha true! But if you turn up the ratio or lower the threshold it will be a lot more.
What if you use it on 20 channels? Will it not add up?
The analog curves on their EQ don't even come close to being the curves on the actual units. So I imagine the compressor is gonna be the same 😂
Nice video, I think Three Body are probably going for features over quality control so I'm sticking with the FF stuff for now. But pleased to see them shaking things up a bit and giving FF something to think about. Well done for pointing out that the grass isn't always greener.
Every company should be held accountable for their products. If its good, they deserve credit, if its bad, let them know as well. TBTech has done some weird stuff with their Kirchhoff Eq with the ''analog'' eq emulations and on this one again. Regarding Fabfilter , I am an avid PRO-Q3 user but I do think FabFilter needs to step up by now and introduce new features. For instance I use Eventide's Spit EQ a lot as well these days because of the split functionality and usually wil keep using it on a track instead of Pro-Q3 when I need it and normal EQ as well.
@@whitenoisestudio I wasn't really tempted by the Kirchoff tbh, the Pro Q3 does pretty much everything I need. I do have the split eq (but rarely use it) but the other eq that I use along with Pro Q3 is the Pulsar 8200. Perhaps it's because of the parallel processing but it does something different to the Pro Q3 and I find it better for shaping. It also has a great de-esser which I'm starting to use more and more (tip: hold the shift key when changing frequency on the de-esser to isolate the band).
I'm not quite such a fanboy of the Pro C2 and think there are several obvious improvements that could be made. Firstly, the auto gain which doesn't really work well enough but mainly the documentation of the different styles. I know it's about ears not eyes but my eyes would like to see an explanation from FF about what the different styles do and how they are meant to affect the audio signal. I genuinely haven't found any proper explanation, even from Dan Worrall, and it shouldn't be a secret.
Pulsar 8200 is excellent, no doubt about that. Parallel EQ is pretty sweet, the main difference is how each band influences or doesnt influence eachother. Your comment actually inspired me to do a video about that.
Split EQ is great when you want to change sustain or transients on a specific area on an audio track. Great to reduce for instance reduce boominess without losing thump.
I dont use Pro-C2 that often. I find that I can work better with other compressors, like the elysia mpressor plugin or adptr's sculpt. I often also grab the emulations of the wel known classic ( 1176, la2a etc.)
Very good and very fair points. I was thinking during your review that this is a case where "gain compensation" could be a useful option when evaluating the different compressors if you want to audition characteristics and such. But yes, this does need to be ironed out in some kind of update.
That aside, this does have the potential of being like an alternative Pro-C2 much like how the Kirchhoff EQ is an alternative Pro-Q3. Funny enough, that also has some issues as it creates the impression that they emulated the THD as well as the curves. (AFAIK, it was just the curves). I can appreciate ambitious ideas, but I've found that they have to work. And maybe this was a case of aiming too high and hitting the roof on the way.
The AA is very broken, and needs fixing.
The biggest issue for me is the lack of clarity on what is actually happening and the wrong info on the plugin itself.
If TBTech would have simply made that matching, there wouldn't be a real issue at all, but like this?
And yeah, you're right on Kirchoff; how they handled those ''analog eqs'' made me somewhat suspicious for this plugin.
Although not as good as Tiger MU, Midnight by Acustica AUdio is a decent Fairchild emulator compressor when paired with the right high frequency saturator and EQ plugins to follow it on the chain. But yeah: Midnight > Cenozoix any day of the week.
There are so many compressors available, its easy to find something nicer than this one ;-)
@@whitenoisestudio I'll give you that 1 LoL thanks.
Plugin Alliance usually brings out great plugins, but I wasn´t sure about this one. Now I know!!! Thanks!!!!
You can always try it out, but now you know what happens under the hood ;-)
My Go2 Plugin Alliance plugins:
the AMEK Mastering Compressor--(for obvious reasons hence part of its name)
the ADTRPB MetricAB-- (to check for negative and positive correlation and LUFS metrics)
sometimes the bx_masterdesk PRO (for stereo correction to stay wide yet in phase) and the new bx_enhancer
I really think you are over-concentrating on the visuals/numbers. As you said yourself, a strength here is the ability to quickly survey through different compressor options; but when you find the one you like best that is when to start fine tuning. The fact a mastering compressor sounds odd with a 4:1 ratio isn't that surprising.
No I’m not. The fact is that it’s implied that there are many differences between compressors while in reality it’s almost just different settings.
It falls in the same category as making a plugin 0,5dB louder by default- it makes people think it sounds better.
Why would you hide that and give false info, because that is what happens.
The solution is really simple: just show what the real attack and release times are, ditto with thresholds and ratios.
If they would have done that, all would be good.
I want a nice (pref visual) compressor that doesn't click at the lower attack rates. I always seem to run into that issue, even when the compressor is dialed in at a 0.00 ms attack. This is the first one that actually has anti-click functionality built in, which is great. I hope the others are going to follow that trend, or I might just have to put aside some money for this one.
Why dont you use a limiter? true peak even better.
@@whitenoisestudioI have no answer for that except for that never thought that would be the right tool for the job. I'll give it a shot, thanks!
My logic behind this is that you want the fastest attack and compressors arent build for that, they always leave a snap which is very much wanted by a lot of users. You seem to want to tame the transient completely and that's where a limiter will do exactly what you need. You can always use a compressor in combo with a limiter to sculpt the sound more - experiment with a limiter before or after that compressor.
Fircomp2 can already do that
Very good walkthrough!!! Thank you very much
And thank you!
It's unfair to point that shaddy shreshold settings.
Just pick up another compressor in plugin doctor,let's say pro C2，do the same to it , you'll get similar result.
That's because "Attack" does not work as you might think .
Did you miss the point of where the threshold is set and what it is actually doing? Completely different. Its also shown in the graph of the plugin which differs enormously of what is happening under the hood. That doesnt happen with let's say pro c2.
@@whitenoisestudio ok, i did see huge difference in mastering style between Cenozoix and Pro C2 in plugin doctor.
Cenozoix starts compressing a little slower after touching -12.5db，that's weird.
BTW，I also saw a lot weird things about compressors in plugin doctor long ago.
Many do not show the true attack and release time at all. Many start compressing before the exact seting threshold number.
I believe Cennozoix is not the only one.
The oversampling part suprised me.Thanks for that.
I payed for almost every product of TB Tech. And I did criticize TB Tech for a lot of years.
Their products have bugs all the time. Sometimes 2 or 3 knobs do not work at all, sometimes crash.
But finally they fix them one by one.
Cenozoix is the only one I did not complain,even now I know the oversampling problem and the mastering problem.
I use it a lot recently , find it grate to use 1 Cenozoix other than use 2 other compressor combos.
@@whitenoisestudio Thx 4 that info. I just find another interesting thing. Threshold changes in different frequencies.while pro C2 dosent. I cant say its good or bad, its interesting.
Usually compression hits different at different frequencies as well. Lower frequencies tend to compress more.
Also compression affects the threshold curve. What you see on most displays is around 1khz.
I think the emulations are just a gimmick. If you have control over all parameters including saturation/harmonics then you don't need different looking knobs IMO. Just tweak to taste. I like the AMEK mastering compressor for that reason.
If you want to review a great and highly underrated compressor, look no further than to Voosteq Material Comp.
Obscure Japanese developer, absolute DSP genius!
I was using it for a few mixes, I like the analog curves for tonal shaping, but I really dislike what it does to a kick drum, completely destroys the low end and makes it sound too "clicky". Now you can compansate for the loss of low end by adding in the N style analog flavor which has a low end bump, but it begs to question why should I have to resort to that. Also, the 500ms maximum release is too short for practical purposses, especially when the tempo of the song is slower than 100bpm and I am using a coresponding long release to push something back in the mix, 500ms is too fast for that. Yes you do have a 1s release in the Fet model but it behaves completely different. Some people were claiming that the release timing is not what the numbers represent, meaning it has a much longer release than what is stated, but I haven't tested out that, nor will I, I'm just about given up on that comp. Their Model N channel strip however is something unbelievably good
Zoinks Scoob, another haunted plug-in.
Its not even halloween yet.
Aliasing test at -12db ?
TRACK ID: Name of the first song playing? (And Artist)
Background music or?
The one you were using to show how the plugin performs. Woman singer 2:40
Thank you for the reply
That Goth chick sounds sexy whilst singing that demo, man.
@kesadiq work in progress of a postpunk / new wave / goth track I'm working on. Unreleased atm, I'll do a breakdown of that song when its finished.
@TheReal_E.IRIZARRY absolutely.
love the song
When i hit play on your videos i always have to turn the volume down when the voice comes in :-)
No no noo no, not down, but UP! LET the info bleed your ears ;-)
@@whitenoisestudio Hahahahaha!!! Lmao ….😂
Watching second video in a week saying „Nice to not hear you again!“ 🤣 . now i cant go to sleep cause i am loughing
white sea studio is pretty positive about this plugin!
Don't forget to use your ears, and by the way. I think the plugin sounds and behaves fantastic sonically.
Absolutely. This video is here to make users aware of how your ears can be tricked easily by simply changing under-the-hood parameters and not telling it. Just as sneaky as a plugin that, by default, has a slight volume boost.
Use your ears. Says “absolutely”. Then says ears can be tricked. So we can’t trust our ears I guess.
@@ponibreyer7064 You can start using just your ears when you are over 10 years old mixing every day... the professionals tell that , for others like all here it is important to have the graph
Whats the song?
Currently unreleased and work in progress ( by me) When its done I'll do a full breakdown of it.
Please do - it was fire.
Yesss
Good review aside, thanks for not using a whiny boy band singer. Very cool music. 🤙
Thanks! The music is a work in progress, when its done I'll do a full breakdown.
This is awesome
its an okay comp no big deal
I had to report and issue with the OS. It's removing low end the higher in OS you go the more low end you lose. They were able to reproduce they said. How did the plugin ever get released like this. Maybe it's because to be in the beta program all you need to do is PAY! With the companies I test for this plugin would have never seen the light of day. SMH!
I wouldnt be surprised TBH. Often with PA it feels like a plugin needs to be released regardless if its bug free or not.
Part of the "perks" you get with the highest priced bundle is access to the beta program. At least to me, that's a terrible idea if you really want to ensure you plugins are being tested properly. As you said, PA has a track record of this already. @@whitenoisestudio
Meh, really so the AcusticaAudio Tiger M.U. Compressor is so much better. The TPDF dithering and K-Stereo movement is lovely through that plugin.
with PA you just better get the Adptr Sculpt. So much nicer.
@@whitenoisestudio I wholeheartedly agree there; the ADPTR Sculpt is the closest thing to Acustica Audio Tiger MU that PA owns.
I have never tested Tiger of Acustica, cant keep up with their release amount and those confusing names. But it looks sculpt wins in versatility with its 4 distinct compressor /expansion modes and I would guess Tiger would win with the ''analog emulation'' although sculpt is meant to be clean. .
If the tool can get you the sound you're trying achieve and suits your workflow , that's really all that matters, all this other overtechnical information doesn't get any real world work done.
If your odometer tells you you drive 80mph but in reality it’s 90 mph and you get fined, would you be ok with that? Of course not. But you still get from a to b and get the job done in a car that you like. Sometimes I wonder why people are so willingly getting deceived in plugin world.
@@whitenoisestudio Great point, but in my case I'm just getting my compression tasks done using the graphical display and my ears, I'm just not as geeky as you I guess.
@GWavvy it’s not about being geeky or not, it’s about what is presented by the developer is honest and what’s really happening. It’s not. I’m all for using only ears when mixing obviously. But developers also need to be called out when they do sketchy things because there are many tricks that easily fool once perception. Take for instance that some plugins add a little level boost by default- that will always sound like an improvement because “louder is better”.
I want to be able to trust my tools, and if thresh would’ve simply made the visuals match with what is happening there wouldn’t have been an issue in the first place. It’s actually a shame since this compressor is rather capable.
@@whitenoisestudio I totally agree with you but I would like to ask you on the other hand, despite that minor discrapancy could it be still functional in its current state?
alright u got me.
Congrats, you're human ;-)
The differences are too different than they should be? Are you trolling? I would prefer variety, i don't want them to sound too similar
Did you watch? It’s about having different settings than shown.
Just like everything else on Plugin Alliance, a complete scam. I can't believe how much money these guys make without any quality control.
Truth is you can do everything you need to make your music sound good with the stock plugins in any daw, if it doesn't... your time and money is much better spent doing comprehensive courses in eq, compression and delay/reverb.
If you still want a complete setup with both coloring and comfort options I would simply get the following:
1. Fabfilter bundle for all basic tools
2. Soundtoys bundle for creative effects
3. Buy hardware: One 1176 clone, one LA2A clone, one used dbx 160a, one pultec clone and maybe a hardware spring reverb. If you have the money an old Space Echo will also be a gamechanger.
Forget all the modelling bullshit. The hardware clones out these days like Warm, Lindell etc are completely good enough and will give you something no plugin can.
I have to object that everything on Plugin alliance is a complete scam. That's simply not true. Many good developers on there for instance Neold and Adptr. Just feeling that Brainworx and TBTech are dropping the ball in a massive way right now.
@@whitenoisestudioFair enough. Sorry for the hyperbole, but Plugin Alliance have been giving me a terrible vibe lately.
@@whitenoisestudio I think it's mostly due to the focus on the names and looks of the plugins while having basic features like accurate values not being correct. Honestly feels like it's a marketing ploy targeting amateurs and their wallets.
Throwing big colored, serious looking, knobs on the "Amek" eq's and comps for example. Then marketing it as "smooth and transparent". Know what's transparent? Your basic damn digital eq that you already have for free.
You know as I do. If you spend time grinding to really understand basic eq and compression in a way where you end up being able to utilize them to do actual conscious decisions that matters instead of just noodling about, that's how you get a good mix. Not these romanticized ideas.
I'm getting "audiophile" community vibes. Buying speaker cables costing 5000$ per meter that are specially designed to go back in time into the head of the mixing engineer and change the properties of the mix so what YOU want to hear comes to the forefront... or you just spent insane amounts of money for nothing and now your brain has to compensate by actually bringing that sound forward in your mind. Totally worth it!
It's that vibe, and I see lot's of beginners just collect these plugins like they are Pokemon cards instead of making music and learning the basics.
Feels misleading, negative to the community and roadblock for people who can't understand why their mixes don't sound the way they want.
Sorry.. rant over :P
We're on the same page here m8.
Nice try...Maybe V2 will be the Pro-C killer 😂
lol.
disliked because of clickbait
What exactly is clickbait here? I’ll wait.
Of course they sound different but its a “bug” that prevents the plugin from showing the actual settings in the graphs/displays on the gui…it’s changing but the scop is not reflecting the actual settings, they are stuck showingh the initial settings