Spectacular video, the ghost ship analogy was perfect because I’ve always worried about cables breaking. And I myself have always wanted to warn winch since I’ve been a kid, I will be purchasing one next month.
Just purchased 4th Badlands Apex. We run two on one Rubicon front and rear for spring bear hunting in spring snow which gets dicey and one on the other two Rubicons in our family. Picked up all under 500 dollars and no need for warranty in 4 years. The wireless remote is awesome, cannot imagine life with wired after it. This winch compares to the zeon which weighs 94 pounds, I figure robust winch will need some heft, though I get ur desire for lighter. Matts offroad and Casey are professional recovery operations and they only run Harbor Freight. Casey had one warn and he needed the warranty on that one. My guess is Warn sells a 400 dollar winch for 1300 zeon with a built in warranty premium
Looking back, I would have gone Harbor Freight. Matt’s off road has shown those things keep up! I’m still loving the Warn and don’t feel I got ripped off, especially because I’m often the only vehicle out there when I’m hunting and I have to depend on just the single Warn. However anyone on the fence price wise save the cash and go Harbor Freight. If the price is okay go Warn
This is a VERY good analysis/comparison. Thanks so much for doing the research for me. I, too, will be going for the Warn. I’ll be buying the 10k winch, though, since it will mount on a Jeep Rubicon 2-door. Thanks again.
10K lbs is plenty of pull for that. Bring an extra 100ft of synthetic line. That way if you are really, really stuck, you can use a snatch block and double your pull strength. But if you aren't up to your frame rails in super sticky mud, 10k is more than enough
Thank you so much! i do not see ANY video dislikes in your future. keep up the grate comparisons. you are saving your fellow wheelers a lot of time. (and money in the long run)
I suspect the weights you found for Superwinch SX and Badlands are for the steel cable model and not synthetic line. I have the Superwinch and the winch itself is about 60 lb
@@snaph Yeah i totally understand your thought process behind your decision. I was off of the Badland but now I think it’s a better fit for my needs especially if I can get it for 599 during a sale to offset the warranty. Here’s why it would work for me. I want a mobile winch for the rear receiver hitch, the trailer, and a lift system for the garage. On the other hand, for one for the front bumper..... EVO all the way. I just can’t find it for less than 964 or something like that. It’ll be over a thousand after shipping or tax. Maybe they have gone up since your video... not sure. But thanks for letting me know about the Evo line of Warn winches.
Thanx for the review, I planned on buying this Warn 12-s just because I’ve heard Warn’s are top of the line. Was gonna do some research anyway. But it wasn’t about the money, I just wanted the best 12,000 lb. For my 2022 Tundra which is 5.5k lbs. you saved me some time 🤘🏻
I went with the vr evo 10s for the same reason. It's only a little more and for what you get it's a better deal. The wireless remote makes it the only option in my opinion.
Thank you for posting. I was trying to research a winch for Gladiator ....It pretty much came down to SuperWinch and Warn and I think I will go with Warn for the exact same reasons.
long before the "cable bags" were around i just used one or two (pending how long a pull) those furniture packing blankets, as they are heavy and also double as great tent pads to sleep on. warn co$t'$, but worth every penny. my 8274 can still be rebuilt, if needed. going on a good 30 years on the front of my jeep. can any other brand clam such? need to do lifepo4 batteries. with a usb plug to charge in your jeep.
Lots of good info. I always wanted a Warn, but ultimately I got the Badland ZRX 12000 for $300 on sale. I figured it will get my feet wet for a low price point, and I can still get a Warn down the road if I find the winch is something I use a lot. The thing about a winch is that my friends with them, most have told me they have used it only a couple times at the most. Also, the VR series Warn winch is made in China and that is kind of disappointing for a winch that has the Warn name on it. Thanks for the video...
At $300 I would have done the exact same thing! It does suck that for under 1k there are no made in the US 12k winches I could find. The Warn M8000 is us made but I worried it didn’t have the umph if I get the cruiser really stuck. I think you’re right about how often you use it. I’ve used it 3X so far in 5mo.
been using warn product in my 1st toy since 1988. it alway take me home. bought my 1st synthetic rope master pull when my friend visited sema show during de launching of this product. synthetic rope is a must in my experience. it save alot of accident. i have seen it myself how damage done when steel cable snap.
I have the EVO VR 10-S. The batteries are rechargeable so likelihood of needing to change them is very low. Back up would be plugging it in on the trail anyway.
Great video with the added metrics! I'm going with the Warn VR EVO 10S for my new 4runner. Also considered the Ironman but discovered the same concerns with white labeling from other sellers. This is a red flag I see across the overloading industry for winches, lighting ETC.
USA mad winches are very rare or very expensive, even this warn evo series are made in china, save 200$ and buy the xbull xrs series they are the same as the warn evo series, only slight differences in housing and gear ratios and big differences in prices😅
I went with Badlands, mostly because "Matt's Offroad Recovery" uses them and they get used very hard and heavy.. I figure if it is good enough for their company, it is good enough for me.. So far the Badlands has been flawless mounted on a 2007 Hummer H3
Yeah I’ve been impressed with theirs for sure! They also usually have a couple rigs with them so one winch failing isn’t necessarily a big deal. But I definitely think the Badlands is a fine choice. Almost bought one a few times :) Have their little ATV one for my tractor.
Very good point. The bumper I got is rated for that. 12 is hopefully overkill but keep in mind the rating drops with each line wrap. It’s also not much of a money or weight penalty for 12 vs 10 which would probably be the minimum for my rig. But appreciate the input and very good warning about the bumper
For $200 more it's pretty cheap insurance. Harbor Freight is OK for some tools but I'm really uncomfortable buying anything electrical from them. BTW I own their Badland 12000 and am pretty confident that it will let me down and I will once again curse my cheapness.
The brand labels mean almost nothing all made in china with different varieties of qc, the USA made winches are 1000 plus 😅, basically you got 3 tiers 1 old style round housings 2 apex hf winch style housings 3 warn evo style housings same as the xbull xrs series 😅
I bought a warn. 1700 dollars .I pulled a uhaul truck in a mud .the uhaul truck didn't have no wheels Nothing. I am impressed by warn winches ...you can use it for lifetime
Warranty on warn is useless. I have two that are broken one being under warranty. There is no service center around me. By the time I have to take this off the vehicle, box it up and mail it across the country I’d be better off buying another more reliable
Thanks for the info, im also going for a light weight approach with a 2012 Prado. Warn is quite expensive in OZ however have not ruled it out. Im really impressed with the bar you have mounted! Can you outline any details on the bar, thanks
Prado’s are cool. James Bond car now! Here’s the bumper I chose Why I picked the Dissent Offroad Bumper over all these others for my 2006 Landcruiser ruclips.net/video/N38uELobA2c/видео.html
I have a warn winch it is an older version I bought in the early 70 when I first got out of the service it had a life time warranty. A few years ago it broke so I took it in to have it repaired witch they did but they also said they will not fix it after that for nothing next time it brakes I have to pay for it put it back on the jeep and went out to the sand dunes to play my buddy's ATV got stuck so I hooked up my warn and didn't get in to a full pull and it broke now the 9 thousand I is just garden art I use harber freight now haven't had a brake since
I had an issue with Smittybuilt would not buy another one of their winches. Fuse Located inside of the solenoid cover blew on me when I really needed it. Which would’ve been an easy fix if I knew the fuse was there. Also the solenoid failed on me. I had only use the Thing only a few times
Same thing happened to me. I used it about 6 times in seven years. Went to use after not using it for a bit and it was dead. Tried shorting it directly from the battery and nothing. There was no warranty by this time, so I went with a warn.
Yeah BUT the warm parts are so expensive and there not separated so you buy the WHOLE LEFT SIDE OR THE WHOLE RIGHT SIDE when you need a small part my m8k I need a isolator where the power cables connect on top the motor on the other side. If you tighten too much, it breaks the isolator causing it to arc out. They wanted to sell me. The whole motor instead of three piece is the size of a zip tie that put a bad taste in my mouth, just bought a new winch
I'm new in the trucking business. One of my 13-Tons Mercedes trucks got stuck in sand near the River bed loading sands for construction. For three days, I had no idea what equipment I should use to retrieve them. After days of online research, I've yet to decide which of the competitive Brands may be good for retrieving trucks in the rainforest, sans and muddy terrain - WARN, SMITTYBILT, XRC Gen 3 Winch and unknown others that can pull 25,000 or more if money is not a problem?
There is WARN, and there is the rest. In this case, you get what you pay for. I have got 12S EVO. Will never go with anything else. Mechanical warranty is the thing to me. You can argue as much as you want, but following Matt's Offroad recovery and their badland winch is strange to me. They get paid to promote Badland. And warranty is a joke. 90 day for each, electrical and mechanical....Give me a break....
Would have been tempted :) That sticker makes me happy. Grew up reading Petersons off road magazines and always wanted a Warn when I was a poor teenager! Pretty happy I can finally afford one. Used it a few times and it’s been everything I hoped it would be!
Pulled two cars and one tree. It did great. For what it’s worth I think a harbor freight unit would probably be fine if you’re worried about budget. Weirdly I’d go either extreme (most expensive or cheapest).
Thanks! How much does your riding mower weigh? I have a cheap harbor freight winch for my mower. Haven't installed it yet, but use it to load it into the truck. It goes on sale pretty regularly and has a sweet wireless remote. Mine weighs probably 350lb or so. www.harborfreight.com/2500-lb-atvutility-winch-with-wire-rope-61840.html
@@snaph , Thanks for replying to my message. Thank you for providing the link for the winch. Weight of my riding mower without fuel is 651lbs. I read some of the reviews on this winch, some good reviews, although one of the reviewers noted “ …works but drains the battery.” I think this will work, I hope I don’t have problems with the wireless remote. Once again thank you.
I purchased in US dollars. Bought mine on Amazon. Best to Google it and see what prices are. Amazon had free shipping. Price is up some since I bought mine. www.amazon.com/WARN-103255-Standard-Winch-Synthetic/dp/B07SGG81RR
Spectacular video, the ghost ship analogy was perfect because I’ve always worried about cables breaking. And I myself have always wanted to warn winch since I’ve been a kid, I will be purchasing one next month.
Yeah reading Petersons 4 Wheeler as a kid made me want one so bad. Feel like a badass seeing it on the Cruiser every time.
was thinking of a steel cable, now with that ghostship pic - only synthetic :)
I found that using a double line pull with a snatch block/shackle makes it easier on the winch, battery and a lot safer 🤙🏽
Appreciate the input. I’m going to order a snatch block because you’re definitely right.
Definitely a great option. Though I've had times where I couldn't spare the cable length
I use a 8S on a gen 1 raptor and a snatch block with a recovery rope at the other end. No need for a 12k.
Just purchased 4th Badlands Apex. We run two on one Rubicon front and rear for spring bear hunting in spring snow which gets dicey and one on the other two Rubicons in our family. Picked up all under 500 dollars and no need for warranty in 4 years. The wireless remote is awesome, cannot imagine life with wired after it. This winch compares to the zeon which weighs 94 pounds, I figure robust winch will need some heft, though I get ur desire for lighter. Matts offroad and Casey are professional recovery operations and they only run Harbor Freight. Casey had one warn and he needed the warranty on that one. My guess is Warn sells a 400 dollar winch for 1300 zeon with a built in warranty premium
Looking back, I would have gone Harbor Freight. Matt’s off road has shown those things keep up!
I’m still loving the Warn and don’t feel I got ripped off, especially because I’m often the only vehicle out there when I’m hunting and I have to depend on just the single Warn. However anyone on the fence price wise save the cash and go Harbor Freight. If the price is okay go Warn
They get paid to promote Badland brand. Nice thing for 90 day warranty for such a heavy duty equipment.....NOT.
Warn Evo 12 on my Isuzu and it works a treat and has a strong line pull , you won't be disappointed .
Nicely done…very helpful…thank you!
Great analysis. You bring up a lot of great points. Leaning toward the 10K Evo
This is a VERY good analysis/comparison. Thanks so much for doing the research for me. I, too, will be going for the Warn. I’ll be buying the 10k winch, though, since it will mount on a Jeep Rubicon 2-door. Thanks again.
10K lbs is plenty of pull for that. Bring an extra 100ft of synthetic line. That way if you are really, really stuck, you can use a snatch block and double your pull strength. But if you aren't up to your frame rails in super sticky mud, 10k is more than enough
Thank you so much! i do not see ANY video dislikes in your future. keep up the grate comparisons. you are saving your fellow wheelers a lot of time. (and money in the long run)
Thanks! Honestly the best part is getting out and getting to play with your new toy whatever it is.
I suspect the weights you found for Superwinch SX and Badlands are for the steel cable model and not synthetic line. I have the Superwinch and the winch itself is about 60 lb
Nice TRUCK and now winch. Thank you for making a video on this topic. I was set on the badland for awhile until this video. Thank you!
And I don’t hate the Badland, but the Warn isn’t too much more for what you get IMHO
@@snaph Yeah i totally understand your thought process behind your decision. I was off of the Badland but now I think it’s a better fit for my needs especially if I can get it for 599 during a sale to offset the warranty. Here’s why it would work for me. I want a mobile winch for the rear receiver hitch, the trailer, and a lift system for the garage. On the other hand, for one for the front bumper..... EVO all the way. I just can’t find it for less than 964 or something like that. It’ll be over a thousand after shipping or tax. Maybe they have gone up since your video... not sure. But thanks for letting me know about the Evo line of Warn winches.
Thanx for the review, I planned on buying this Warn 12-s just because I’ve heard Warn’s are top of the line. Was gonna do some research anyway. But it wasn’t about the money, I just wanted the best 12,000 lb. For my 2022 Tundra which is 5.5k lbs. you saved me some time 🤘🏻
I think you'll love it. Enjoy
I went with the vr evo 10s for the same reason. It's only a little more and for what you get it's a better deal. The wireless remote makes it the only option in my opinion.
Thank you for posting. I was trying to research a winch for Gladiator ....It pretty much came down to SuperWinch and Warn and I think I will go with Warn for the exact same reasons.
Right on, hope you enjoy. Been happy with it so far, but haven’t used it for a recovery yet. But lots of fun to play with
Same truck here and I was leaning towards the superwimch sx 12 but originally was going warn evo 10. Might just flip a coin
Thanks for the great comparison, I am trying to decide on a what to buy and I think it’s going to be a Warn as well.
long before the "cable bags" were around i just used one or two (pending how long a pull) those furniture packing blankets, as they are heavy and also double as great tent pads to sleep on.
warn co$t'$, but worth every penny. my 8274 can still be rebuilt, if needed. going on a good 30 years on the front of my jeep. can any other brand clam such?
need to do lifepo4 batteries. with a usb plug to charge in your jeep.
Lots of good info. I always wanted a Warn, but ultimately I got the Badland ZRX 12000 for $300 on sale. I figured it will get my feet wet for a low price point, and I can still get a Warn down the road if I find the winch is something I use a lot. The thing about a winch is that my friends with them, most have told me they have used it only a couple times at the most. Also, the VR series Warn winch is made in China and that is kind of disappointing for a winch that has the Warn name on it. Thanks for the video...
At $300 I would have done the exact same thing!
It does suck that for under 1k there are no made in the US 12k winches I could find. The Warn M8000 is us made but I worried it didn’t have the umph if I get the cruiser really stuck.
I think you’re right about how often you use it. I’ve used it 3X so far in 5mo.
been using warn product in my 1st toy since 1988. it alway take me home. bought my 1st synthetic rope master pull when my friend visited sema show during de launching of this product. synthetic rope is a must in my experience. it save alot of accident. i have seen it myself how damage done when steel cable snap.
I have the EVO VR 10-S. The batteries are rechargeable so likelihood of needing to change them is very low. Back up would be plugging it in on the trail anyway.
Good to know, I'll check mine again. Agree that the back up not matter what is to plug it in.
Great video with the added metrics! I'm going with the Warn VR EVO 10S for my new 4runner. Also considered the Ironman but discovered the same concerns with white labeling from other sellers. This is a red flag I see across the overloading industry for winches, lighting ETC.
USA mad winches are very rare or very expensive, even this warn evo series are made in china, save 200$ and buy the xbull xrs series they are the same as the warn evo series, only slight differences in housing and gear ratios and big differences in prices😅
Really cool story, well that is what it sounded like. Congrats on you r dream, I'm considering the very same one for my tundra.
It’s pretty awesome
Thank you. excellent review
Awesome! I always wanted one as a kid as well, now I think I can get one as a big kid, haha.
Great video and comparison. Thanks!
Great comparison..
I bought replacement parts for my warm 10,000 winch…what a nightmare! You can’t buy from warn…you have to buy from a dealer!
Thanks for the video..... very useful, I have the VR EVO 10S.....!
Good choice!
I went with Badlands, mostly because "Matt's Offroad Recovery" uses them and they get used very hard and heavy.. I figure if it is good enough for their company, it is good enough for me..
So far the Badlands has been flawless mounted on a 2007 Hummer H3
Yeah I’ve been impressed with theirs for sure!
They also usually have a couple rigs with them so one winch failing isn’t necessarily a big deal. But I definitely think the Badlands is a fine choice. Almost bought one a few times :)
Have their little ATV one for my tractor.
Good Stuff,Great Tips😃👍🏿
Really good video. Speed of operation would be good to.
Thanks, and good point. It wasn’t something I paid much attention to but probably should have
Yes. This is what I was thinking
Absaloutly no need for a 12. If you do get a 12 be sure the bumper/plate is rated for a 12. Most arent and they will flex and crack the winch housing.
Very good point. The bumper I got is rated for that. 12 is hopefully overkill but keep in mind the rating drops with each line wrap. It’s also not much of a money or weight penalty for 12 vs 10 which would probably be the minimum for my rig. But appreciate the input and very good warning about the bumper
I bought the same VR EVO 12s for my 2nd gen Tacoma.
Gotten a chance to use it yet?
Well done
For $200 more it's pretty cheap insurance. Harbor Freight is OK for some tools but I'm really uncomfortable buying anything electrical from them. BTW I own their Badland 12000 and am pretty confident that it will let me down and I will once again curse my cheapness.
A lot of people swear by them, like Matt’s off-road recovery
A lot of people swear by them, like Matt’s off-road recovery
The AAA battery is weird, I have a Warn VR EVO 10S and the remote has a single removable ER14505 cell.
The brand labels mean almost nothing all made in china with different varieties of qc, the USA made winches are 1000 plus 😅, basically you got 3 tiers 1 old style round housings 2 apex hf winch style housings 3 warn evo style housings same as the xbull xrs series 😅
any thoughts on "sherpa" brand winches? they use Albright as well and are similar in price to Warn.
I have the apex for my trailer but have the American made zeon 12000 on my Jeeps.
I bought a warn. 1700 dollars .I pulled a uhaul truck in a mud .the uhaul truck didn't have no wheels Nothing. I am impressed by warn winches ...you can use it for lifetime
Warranty on warn is useless. I have two that are broken one being under warranty. There is no service center around me. By the time I have to take this off the vehicle, box it up and mail it across the country I’d be better off buying another more reliable
Thanks for the info, im also going for a light weight approach with a 2012 Prado. Warn is quite expensive in OZ however have not ruled it out. Im really impressed with the bar you have mounted! Can you outline any details on the bar, thanks
Prado’s are cool. James Bond car now!
Here’s the bumper I chose
Why I picked the Dissent Offroad Bumper over all these others for my 2006 Landcruiser
ruclips.net/video/N38uELobA2c/видео.html
Another review showed ALL the winches made in China of the same parts and motors etc. Even Warn.
Now I'm confused.
I have a warn winch it is an older version I bought in the early 70 when I first got out of the service it had a life time warranty. A few years ago it broke so I took it in to have it repaired witch they did but they also said they will not fix it after that for nothing next time it brakes I have to pay for it put it back on the jeep and went out to the sand dunes to play my buddy's ATV got stuck so I hooked up my warn and didn't get in to a full pull and it broke now the 9 thousand I is just garden art I use harber freight now haven't had a brake since
I had an issue with Smittybuilt would not buy another one of their winches. Fuse Located inside of the solenoid cover blew on me when I really needed it.
Which would’ve been an easy fix if I knew the fuse was there. Also the solenoid failed on me. I had only use the Thing only a few times
Same thing happened to me. I used it about 6 times in seven years. Went to use after not using it for a bit and it was dead. Tried shorting it directly from the battery and nothing. There was no warranty by this time, so I went with a warn.
Yeah BUT the warm parts are so expensive and there not separated so you buy the WHOLE LEFT SIDE OR THE WHOLE RIGHT SIDE when you need a small part my m8k I need a isolator where the power cables connect on top the motor on the other side. If you tighten too much, it breaks the isolator causing it to arc out. They wanted to sell me. The whole motor instead of three piece is the size of a zip tie that put a bad taste in my mouth, just bought a new winch
Hang weights and a rag on the steel cable for safety.
Sold me on it, thanks.
Excellent! I've already pulled out two cars and a tree off the road with mine! Hope you enjoy.
Haven't heard anything bad about badland but 90 day warranty is suspicious
I'm new in the trucking business. One of my 13-Tons Mercedes trucks got stuck in sand near the River bed loading sands for construction. For three days, I had no idea what equipment I should use to retrieve them.
After days of online research, I've yet to decide which of the competitive Brands may be good for retrieving trucks in the rainforest, sans and muddy terrain - WARN, SMITTYBILT, XRC Gen 3 Winch and unknown others that can pull 25,000 or more if money is not a problem?
That’s way out of my league!
Good luck. I assume you probably need a commercial winch that is hydraulically powered for those numbers
can you unbolts/screw the top box and move it elsewhere?
😊
In fact, warn vr evo, Smittybilt X20, superwinch Sx, Ironman monster are made in same factory🤣
Definitely possible!
@@snaph no it’s true🤣🤣🤣
There is WARN, and there is the rest. In this case, you get what you pay for. I have got 12S EVO. Will never go with anything else. Mechanical warranty is the thing to me. You can argue as much as you want, but following Matt's Offroad recovery and their badland winch is strange to me. They get paid to promote Badland. And warranty is a joke. 90 day for each, electrical and mechanical....Give me a break....
if the warn didnt have a warn badge would he have bought it?
Would have been tempted :)
That sticker makes me happy. Grew up reading Petersons off road magazines and always wanted a Warn when I was a poor teenager!
Pretty happy I can finally afford one. Used it a few times and it’s been everything I hoped it would be!
Any feedback after using it for a year?
Pulled two cars and one tree. It did great. For what it’s worth I think a harbor freight unit would probably be fine if you’re worried about budget.
Weirdly I’d go either extreme (most expensive or cheapest).
Damn, still using AAAs? It would be way better to throw a rechargeable 19650 or two in there.
I am looking for a winch when my riding John Deere riding lawnmower is stuck in soil on 60 acres of land.
By the way, you have a nice voice.
Thanks! How much does your riding mower weigh? I have a cheap harbor freight winch for my mower. Haven't installed it yet, but use it to load it into the truck.
It goes on sale pretty regularly and has a sweet wireless remote. Mine weighs probably 350lb or so.
www.harborfreight.com/2500-lb-atvutility-winch-with-wire-rope-61840.html
@@snaph ,
Thanks for replying to my message. Thank you for providing the link for the winch. Weight of my riding mower without fuel is 651lbs.
I read some of the reviews on this winch, some good reviews, although one of the reviewers noted “ …works but drains the battery.”
I think this will work, I hope I don’t have problems with the wireless remote.
Once again thank you.
@@nnedi7789 I bet you have some crazy recovery situation on 60 acres!
Wanna ask what is the currency? Where can I buy?
I purchased in US dollars. Bought mine on Amazon.
Best to Google it and see what prices are. Amazon had free shipping. Price is up some since I bought mine.
www.amazon.com/WARN-103255-Standard-Winch-Synthetic/dp/B07SGG81RR
Because the others suck. Have cheap wires and solenoids.
Made in CHYna
warn m12s heavy weight
China 🇨🇳 made ?? No ??
Nothing wrong with China made as long as it's made to a good spec. Now that said, if you got the cash, I do say get a USA made WARN.
No not knocking it .. I have a 13k XBull on my 4 runner that thus far has been great .. I can’t justify 1500 plus for a winch ..
U forgot something very important warn has by far the best rope also
I bought replacement parts for my warm 10,000 winch…what a nightmare! You can’t buy from warn…you have to buy from a dealer!
I bought replacement parts for my warm 10,000 winch…what a nightmare! You can’t buy from warn…you have to buy from a dealer!
Huh, that's odd. At least you can buy the parts though. That's my big thing. Hope you got it back together.
Yes , I did…working good. Just painful as I had to go to three different distributors before I got what I needed….
I bought replacement parts for my warm 10,000 winch…what a nightmare! You can’t buy from warn…you have to buy from a dealer!
I've bought warn parts several times on line, and from my local dealer, and never had an issue.