GUILLIMAN AND THE EMPEROR! WILL GUILLIMAN BEGIN TO USE THE IMPERIUM'S FAITH?
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Hey everyone Rho here! Today we discuss the Lord Commander Roboute Guilliman and the God-Emperor of Mankind! As we ask just what is next? Will Roboute finally begin to embrace the Imperium's worship of the Emperor?
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Guilliman: “I reject the absurd notion of my father being a deity, however I WILL weaponize it!”
I still think about what Cawl the Inferior said to Guillemin at the end of Plague War. 'All Gods are threats to mankind.'
This just SCREAMS humanity/Imperium 😂
This is why guilliman is the main character of 40k for me
Lion: "Brother, rest easy I have retur..."
Guilliman: (Activly using faith as a weapon aftter concentrating all power into himself)
"I swear its not what it looks like"
*lion el'johnson after spending a couple days in the modern imperium*
"smart, brother"
@canape Russ on his return.
NOPE!!
Sods of back in to the warp
Yeah I am in the camp that thinks the reunion between the Blue Boy and Lion will better than everyone expects. Especially better than Guillemin could have ever hoped and will be a little unnerved that the Lion didn't try to stab him again, while also unnerved that he is unnerved his brother is more affectionate.
@@TK199999I'd bet money one of them nearly sheds a tear.
Lion: BROTHER THAT IS THE LEAST OF MY WORRYS I HEARD YOU DID WHAT TO A WHAT
I have an image in my head of Guilliman praising the Emperor as a God.
While an astral image of Lorgar, who is sulking in a corner, and the Emperor giving Guilliman a thumbs up with a smile.
Buddy Emperor!
Bro emperor small e. 😂
Idk why everyone thinks that the Lion and Guilliman's reunion is going to be extremely heated or contentious; I think its going to be heartwarming and heartbreaking in equal measure. Regarding Guilliman's feelings on the Emperor's godhood, he's not blind nor is he rash. The man is a thinker and he's nothing if not practical. Whether its full-blown godhood or whether he's just an incredibly juiced up psyker is irrelevant when the end result is basically the same. He's going to draw from his experience on Monarchia, he's going to take the Emperor's own words into account, and he's going to factor in his own revival and the burning of Nurgle's garden. There's 10 thousand years of evidence and history to examine and he's no fool. We've got living saints and the legion of the damned running around. There's a reason he didn't just come back and order the execution of the entire Ecclesiarchy out the gate. The Imperial Truth was always a lie, and it served a purpose. But we're here now and the game and the players on the board have changed.
I think so too.
Even in the past with all the animosity between them...they are still human deep down.
Sometimes you just miss your brother.
People focus on their squabble during The Unremembered Empire
events, but everyone keeps forgetting how that ended, with Lion and Big G leaving on good terms.
Lion was happy when he heard Dante say he was not first Primarch Dante saw, and im sure Guilliman had same reaction due to him saying he wishes any of his loyal brothers to be back with him
@@morgothastartes I am sure Guilliman will have a lot of mixed reactions. He will be elated to have a brother. One a personal level he probably would wish for almost any other one though. Russ would probably yell his name from afar and give him a big bear hug. Even stoic Dorn could be counted on to give a better welcome. The Lion is much more calculating and could go either way on a number of issues. I am sure Guilliman is also well aware of the power of the First Legion in disguise.
In the end, at least initially, I would expect the greeting to really be very warm and Guilliman should not worry. But there will be a "We need to talk brother" situation.
My guess is the emperor will become a god and go into the warp to fight the chaos gods. Gulliman will then use the black stone tech to seal the warp forever and cut off all the gods and the warp forever.
But that would mean humanity would be cut off from each other.
@@DarkApostleNoek there is the webway, that could be used technically, but I do not think that there is enough time for it as the tyranids are still advancing
And GW will lay their IP to rest, because the story is concluded. 🤗🤗🤗
@@JanFWeh Lol yes. "Alright, we're tired of making money. Story concluded guys!!!"
@@lingua-voxservitor8012 Funny you mention the Webway and Tyranids as I could see the story having the Imperium use get around the Shadow in the Warp. They give something to the Ynnari for permission and to guide them. This causes some Eldar from Craftworlds, and Kabals to wage open war on the Imperium. That is the main point though the Imperium can't just use it.
It’d be hard to have the Emperor essentially bring him back from the dead and NOT believe in his divinity.
Well the emperor had done that before, not sure if Guilliman witnessed those or was told second hand about those but it happened back then too
He knows that psychic abilities exist, that there are powerful entities in the warp capable of manifesting immortal champions in the mortal realm. He knows all of these things exist, so at a certain point "god" is just a matter of semantics
@@richter6699 It's like a Japanese "god", just an ultra powerful being that can be measured against a mortal, which the mortal could possibly match against if the mortal gained similar power.
i.e. a fake god.
Lol bringing people from the dead isn't a mark of godhood but just an extremely powerful psyker which the emperor is .
@@licensed_beheader Ever heard the saying that science, sufficiently advanced, is indistinguishable from magic? If pyskers draw their power from the warp, aren’t they using the same power as the Chaos Gods? Wouldn’t a sufficiently talented psyker rival the actual gods?
I am enjoying how the returning loyal primarchs have new special “powers”. Guilliman seemingly being able to channel the emperor making him very hard to kill and Lion with his forest walk warp ability. I hope it continues
I though the Lion's personal thought process on the Emperor's divinity to be really interesting. And he kind of accepted it, someone as powerful as the emperor getting more powerful over the ten thousands years, could be named a God. So I think regardless of whether he likes it, I think he will easily utilise it.
the lion adds much to the mix because despite his natural disposition against worship he witnessed the restauring god like powers of the emperor first hand like nobody else, even more than gulliman he cannot deny the evidence and the emperor s true wishes
Hi Bobby. How’s it been?”
“Terrible father.”
“Welcome to my life”
“I wish my brothers were here. I could use their help.”
“The Lion finally woke up from his nap and is in his way here right now.”
“Really?”
“Yes. And you’ll have fun explaining stupid crap like the Codex Astartes and your Elf girlfriend.”
Lion has a tiny eldritch elf girlfriend, "The watcher in the dark clad in the unassuming green robes, held aloft the lions blade from the bosom of the rock, signifying by divine providence that I, Lion- El Johnson, was to carry it. That is why I am once again the primarch of the first".
someone hasn't read The Lion: Son of the Forest and it shows.
@@mrboatface4023 I’m referencing TTS for the memes. I saw Weshammer do a summary of the Lion book.
He might use it as a political tool, but i dont think he'll actually belive.
In Godblight custodian Maldovar Colquan notes that Guilliman begins to believe. And there is a part where Guilliman while still refusing to call Emperor god, says that for a being that powerful there might not be a better term.
He may never believe, but will he have faith.
Being resurrected by the Big E during his fight with Mortarion wasn't enough, eh?
Change my mind?
@@JanFWeh I mean that basically just returns you to the question of “what is a god?” in 40k. I can see G-man accepting that big E is indeed a very powerful warp entity. But does that make him a god?
The main reason I can see why robo girlyman is repulsed by the worship of the God Emperor is because the ultramarines were the ones who razed monarchia
Why would he not believe the truth?
Yeah, that’s a fair assessment. Guilliman was used as a hammer to destroy his brothers greatest success and now, after 10k years that brother appears to have been correct. That should make the superbrained primarch’s head spin. The razing of Monarchia is the very moment the entirety of the setting was doomed.
@@LuckySecond Except the Emperor isnt the same being that he was then. Insanely strong yes, but he wasnt a so called divine being fueled by 10k years of forced faith. I feel like it wouldnt be hypicritical to make a calculated assessment based on this new reality. That being said, I dont personally believe he will ever view him as a god. Gman honors the man the big E was, not the one this husk of an Imperium has forced the Big E to become.
@@LuckySecond Maybe NOT correct, but.... well, Guiliman was tasked with destroying Monarchia not as much as to punish Lorgar/Word Bearers - but to cement Guiliman's stance on matter and tame his pragmatism. Because like it or not, Guiliman with or instead of Horus - Heresy is won for non-loyalists. Now Guiliman sees crime he was tasked to eradicate being the ONLY accepted norm and enforced by even more brtual means; this screams hypocrisy to only adjusted and fundamentally moral primarch.
Your video made me wonder if the emperor will ascend to godhood, will he claim the chaos primarks and legions? (Are Lion’s actions foreshadowing something like that?). I mean by doing so he is placing his forces within immaterium, webway, and real space.
I think bringing the Emperor back for the express purpose of limiting his options will feel like a betrayal to the Lion. The Emperor can do as he pleases and it’s up to the Sons to facilitate him not maneuver him.
The problem is he leaves his sons in the dark, which creates its own problems and cost him at least some primarchs.
Somewhere in the warp, Lorgar is laughing.
Should be able to get a nice clean base layer on my sniper scouts to this love ultramarines i read the books to but when painting nothing beats the lore your painting for
The Emperor comes off the golden throne, says l'm not a god.
Promptly gets shot dead by a vindicare assassin for heresy.
Will we see the inevitable defeat of the Great Devourer being used as an excuse to weaken the western part of the Imperium so that Chaos can launch an attack aimed at Terra itself? ...maybe culminating in a huge siege? ...ending with the return of another primarch (...Vulcan???...), maybe...
Meh, give me civil war between Sanctus and Nihilus, that would be so much more cool than same ol, same ol, siege, terra, etc.etc.etc. We know terra cant fall, so siege is worthless plotline.
I want the Tyranids to reach Terra and cause the Emperor to destroy the planet via the self destruct button, also crippling the forces of chaos but also causing humanity to lose Terra and Mars
Not under abbadon pretty sure he mentioned he wouldn't gun for terra till the rest of the galaxy was in his hands fully. Like the final blow to a dying animal only when the imperium lies defeated and dying will he grasp what his wretched father failed to take.
In the old fluff; a person had to show the ruinus powers that they were worthy of a boon.
and the more boons acquired the closer to being bestowed the daemon prince. But a human as strong as the emperor and with so many people believing that he is a god. that transferred into the warp should transform him into a god. the only thing holding him back would be his own belief in him being a god. So his sons being convinced that he is a god would go a long way to that then he would have to let go of his mortal form to be reborn in the warp as a god. I think the moment he believes that he is a god he should transform.
That conflict exists in all of us, and the struggle of life is to find balance.
The warp is shaped by emotions. The rift now put trillions of humans either in or next to the warp, and they all believe BIG E is immortal, creates miracles, and most importantly, protects. That's a lot of mojo coming his way
I wonder if Monarchia could be holding Guilliman back too
Courage and Honour!
Would be great to get more Lion el Johnson content, what’s happening next with him, what’s his plans, how will he be taking fight to the Xenia and heretics? Seem’s he sorta arrived then dropped of the general radar
I mean, it's been like a month. Chill dude
Girlyman vomit for a bit then some actual good lore hopefully .
I know I could be reading way too much into it but I think how Lion reacted to finding out G-Man was alive hits that their reunion will not be hostile. Lion specifically said G-Man’s first name when he heard he was alive, not his last. To me at least that showed a brotherly bond of love and respect that Lion genuinely wants to connect with.
The Emperor was telling the truth when he said he wasn't a god, 10 thousand years of galaxy wide worship as a god has empowered him to assend to god hood. Or at least allowed him to use that worship and sacrifices made in his name to use the powers of the warp in the same way the Chaos "gods" do .
I think even that was a lie. I think the Emperor has been a god since the moment of his birth but has most of his existence bern something similar to a minor eldar god or ironically more like a c’tan. After ten thousand years though? He is now more like Gork and Mork and the Four.
I think he’s going to be diplomatic and he’s going to start slowly believing
Maybe the real Emperor was the friends we made along the way.
Best comment hands down
Also Aeldari Goth-GFs
After making extensive videos on Lion El'Jonson myself he will not take this all that well 😭
I can see Guilleman utilizing the imperiums faith from a distance. I don’t see him calling down miracles, but I can see him stoking that among those who actually believe it
I see the next step to be Imperium Sanctus versus Imperium Nihilus - Civil war between the brothers. Guilliman rejecting the Imperial truth rather than take on the ecclesiarchy, and the Wolf rejecting Guilliman for this as a betrayal of the Emperor himself.
I would applaud such a cool turn, although i doubt GW would have the balls to do it.
Leman ain't coming back.
United Planet States of Ultramar. President Guiliman?
Let’s fucking goooooooooooooooooo!! The lion and robute need to straight up leave terra and go into the eye of terror. Get all the bros back.
We're putting a team together....
They would have benefited from reading diaries of Euphrati Keele in the end of the Siege after she basically rejected Lectixio Devinitatum and formulated the new principles, - her understanding of Emperor not as God but as The Man with The Plan and belief in The Man and The Plan.
What if. The same people who helped Guilliman. Help the emperor. Creating something none would ever see. A truce with the eldari.
He could make a logical conclusion that belief in a thing, (faith is just a fancy word) will make something true, especially for a warp being. And the Emperor is a warp being. You don't have to believe in a god to believe that the warp is fucked up
Let's goooo
While not outright using faith, I think both primarchs will at least make use of its effects where possible. If certain ammunition happens to be even more effective just from having been blessed, they'll make use of that and allow the blessings to continue. If certain troops seem to be unnaturally durable seemingly due to their faith, those troops will be more effective so will be made use of in tougher battles and their faith will be permitted to continue.
Plus they learned from the mistakes of the past when they banned psykers and librarians only to then face daemons and find the very weapon they banned was not only being used effectively against them, but was also the best weapon to fight back against the daemons. Sometimes the best way to beat someone is to use their own weapons against them and right now getting rid of faith in the Emperor would be an act of disarmament.
Pre demon magnus looking more and more awesome that way.
The Chaos gods are not "gods" either, just immensely powerful beings, a power level the emperor could reach himself.
im super new to 40k. but how often are these books released?
I want guilliman and the lion meet and decide to retrieve sanguinius spirit from the spirit of vengance. Green walk aboard, nab spirit, leave. The ultimate kill team...
Should he be the leader of the imperium since he dose has his father blood including his others and can the emperor come back?
Ones Emperor is almost there to become a God and for some reason needs Lorgar to do it, Corax jumps from the shadows and kills Lorgar off not knowing what is happening in the real time.. lol
It would be funny, if the Emperor comes back to life, and accept his role as a god. It is not what he wanted. It is not what he planned to do, but the faith of the Imperium elevated him to this state, and now he will take responsibility.
It would be mega-hilarious and cool AF at the same time. Emperor did not have any faith or trust that humanity religion would not destroy them, but not only he would be proven wrong, but he was saved exactly by everything he stood against.
He would have to be a fool to at least not weaponize faith in the Emperor. If I recall correctly he was pretty much on the side of if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be a duck in regards to his father. I don't remember who he was talking to when discussing the Emperor being a god was if he is what is the implication for him and his brothers.... As an aside how many times a day do you think Roboute thinks or say " f'ing Lorgar....
So if the emperor is a god...we get a massive deduction on our taxes! We can work with this!
The Emperor is no God, but he is very incredibly super over powered.
By the Emperor. Bobby becoming Great Crusade era Lorgar in order to save the modern Imperium. Which means the next Primarch back is Lorgar shouting F U I was Right!!
How would returning big E will remove his Godhood? it would empower the belief even more, if anything.
Yeah, but he wouldn't be a warp entity anchored to the Golden Throne able to project his gaze galaxy-wide (currently both actively and passively throughout Imperium Sanctus and only actively throughout Imperium Nihilus). He wouldn't require the constant sacrifice of psykers and consumption of faith to keep him alive.
There are several theories that in his corporeal form he is restricted to more "Human" behavior.
@@Runenschuppe I always found it funny, how a being able to stand off or make deals with warp entities that are beyond almost anyone in the galaxy, having lived for millennia, and visibly having semi-godlike powers, would be silly enough to think that he does not inspire godlike devotion and admiration.
@@n1ghtofthedead411 Because gods have a very poor understanding of mortals? ;)
A Empire falls, The Republic of Primarchs rizes? 😂😂
If the emperor dies doesn't terra explode from vulkans bomb ?
Ah your favorite Primarch!
Sounds like the wytch corpse wants to be the only " god " now.
So Logar was right????
The only religion old Reacharound Gorilla man believes in, is sweet, sweet tax regulation.
I don’t think gman will but there is another primark now so maybe the lion will and we will some conflict in idiolgy between the 2
They already said in this exact book that faith is humanities greatest. The eldar stated that everyone believing he is a god does indeed reflect on the warp. That the galaxy is tied to humanities choice. Big E worship takes away from the chaos beings and empowers himself. You can’t proclaim to be a god because people will deny and say you are power hungry. Malcador already stated in the siege books that the big E made contingencies and that faith is also humanity greatest weapon. We are all familiar with the story of Jesus. Denied being more than a man, chastised anyone for saying he was something more and humble. Hint hint hint
Tbf the Imperial Truth was as much as religion as the Imperial Creed, maybe the Emperor's plan was to make the Imperial Truth a warp being that equalled the Chaos Gods, to protect humanity
I mean the emperor is a god, probably always has been on. The real issue is if he will ever be a GOD.
He basically already is in his own way and I think the lion would agree
no that would be lorgar saying thoose words not guiliman he would not become like lorgar
The start of the second Heresy ...
GW needs to bring in Logar and the Word Bearers… Logar was correct all along if the Emperor transformed into a God.
Lorgar has every right to be pissed ^^
Unlikely, unless one of them figures out Circle of Protection: Corax.
If the Necrons get the Silent King, the Tyranids get the Hive Mind, then humanity can have the Emporer
The emperor didn't just revive guilliman he recreated his armour as well
Guilliman is disgusted but the survival of the imperium is desperate and the undeniable evidence of the emperor divinity. He have no choice to be practical on these 2 counts
guilliman turns into a lorgar...as he fights lorgar...and out preaches the arch heretic
So the whole emperor being perpetual is not common knowledge to the Primarchs.
insert Lorgar laughing emoji here.
His father told him he wasn’t a god, but that doesn’t mean he hasn’t become one or can’t.
I'm getting tired of this "the Emperor will turn into a god and.." not acknowledging the Emperor as a God already is heresy. This "Guilliman will harness the faith..." That current lack of faith is Heresy. The Lion not being on board with the Emperor's divinity, heresy. The Emperor denying his divinity, not heresy because The Emperor of Mankind can do whatever he wants. So much heresy on this channel (stares inquisitorially) 😊.
The deity debate on the emperor have came down to semantics. To me the emperor tics all boxes for being considered a god. He may not be all mighty, but omniscience and omnipotence are requisitions of the christian god. The Greek, roman, vikings and most other deities didn't had such powers. And the emperor is way more powerful than a "Zeus" let's say.
Second like on the video 😭🎉
The emperor is just malice in disguise
This being 40K, the worst case scenario would happen. Guilliman may actually heed Daniel's words and go on a Holy crusade to fully weaponize faith to get his father going. Lion hears about it, thinks Bobby G has gone full Lorgar and opposses him. New Heresy war ensues.
Lorgar was right all along :'(
I just find it funny in the whole atheist thing in a universe you know gods exist.
i think the emperor will stay on the throne and the religion will grow.
Is it just me, or does Guilliman get his ass kicked alot?
He isn't a fighter, his talent was in analytics, statistics, mathematics, logistics, and administration he was an average fighter as far as primarchs go