GM ~ "Nobody will EVER stop to look at these tracks" Player 1 ~ "I use detect magic" Player 2 ~ "I use detect traps" Player 3 ~ "I summon a greater demon and ask it for advice"
My Illusion wizard is a singer, and he summons 3 smaller versions of himself on his shoulder to make a barbershop quartet. That's his favourite use of minor illusion (I love the both visual and sound part, it makes it so much better).
Nice, Mirror image could work too. For a big show you don't want to disappoint those adoring fans if your booked for a show and have to go adventuring instead, Programmed Illusion, D&D's equivalent of the music video :)
I don’t think you can use minor illusion to do this. Minor illusion does not allow for movement, so while according to RAW you could have three versions of yourself, and sounds they wouldn’t actually appear to be singing. You would probably want major image for what you’re trying to achieve.
@@mf5220 It doesnt but most DM's will allow you to do things like this in situations where it has no effect in the game outside of flavor. We one time used minor illusion to help "Weekend at Bernies" a corpse. Totally outside of the realm of allowability but it was creative enough that the DM rolled with it.
The problem I have with illusions is players and sometimes a DM will behave as if they or npc have batman levels of reasoning and do an hours worth of thinking and prodding in a split second to instantly see through or handwave the illusion so it does nothing. Like hell i know the barbarian charges enemies head first, but its meta gaming to position him in a way that he runs through the illusion, show no kind of surprise, and continues at a target beyond, the barb had no reason to belive it to be an illusion and should have stopped adjacent to it and spent an action, like swipe his weapon into thin air.
That's why I never play a deception based character. Every DM I've had just says "Oh, this guy rolls an investigation and sees through your disguise self"
Make them use "their action" to discern if something is an illusion. (Especially if the spell says so.) To me metagaming would ruin the deployment of such tactics in a game. Unless the barbarian is aware of the illusion....require him to use "agency" to pay for the privilege's of discovery. I'm sure someone will argue about using "interactions" as not costing "an action". But some degree of believable results need to be adjudicated. No person runs through a brick wall (except a firefighter) to chase down the goblin in a nearby tunnel. Realistically.....the barrier would mentally deter the action. But if the Barbarian has a 4 INT.....go for it.
I think illusions (as well as spells like darkness) suffer from the combat being played on a map. It let's players and GM metagame. If it was theatre of the mind and you had described something appearing in front of you etc the reaction would be much appropriate in most cases.
The more i learn about wizard schools (I usually don't pay attention to the class, for some reason...) the more I want to make a P.I. wizard with alot of utility spells and very few combat specific spells.
My favorite illusion is the shell game. There is no pea. The pea is an illusion. So no matter which cup they select, they miss it. Also--there is no cake, the cake is a lie.
So I was looking up illusion stuff to make a major villian. And because this was one the best d&d videos I've ever seen (not rambling or over produced) I'm going to make the character (either a bard or wizard bard) a Drow in your honor.
Hello, my favourite Bard! I'm gonna create a illusionist bard. This character concept seems amazing to me because it's all about deception, performance, illusions and enchantments. First I was gonna create an arcane trickster but it was trying to be too many things at the same time. Then I started to think about making an absolute arcane bardstard :D Half elf College of Lore bard with the actor feat at level 4 is gonna be so much fun, I can't wait. My character has been on a run from his foster home for couple of years because of they tried to sell him to slavery instead giving him shelter. That's why my character has a lot of trust issues and always tries to look and sound like someone else and because of the betrayal is very paranoid. He will gradually trust people but it's hard. My bard is more of an actor than a singer. Because of the charlatan background he has proficiency in disguise kit and forgery kit. He can create very good disguises both magically and non-magically. Depending on the occasion he will disguise himself from seducting Femme Fatale to smelly street bum. I'm really excited for this type of character because the DM is going to give us the players creative freedom, so basically sandbox. Anyways, thanks for your excellent videos and greetings from Finland. Keep up the good work! :)
Make an image of one of your enemies running down a corridor, or beckoning guards or pursuers. Illusion is for distracting enemies and making them waste their turn.
There's no mention of the phantasmal force spell, which you don't even need illusionist abilities to make better. You can do the cage a flyer trick to make it fall w/o needing to make it real because the target believes its real. You can entomb a target, the ground opens up swallows them 50' under and closes about them crushing them for psychic damage, rendering them blind and deafened to everything around them, and restrained, and any damage your allies do to them will be believed to be resulting from the crushing rock. Simple Illusion: you can create a small fog cloud (heavy concealment) that you can move about the battlefield as needed, that you and your allies can easily see through (you should have advantage on the investigate check because you'll know its an illusion) and its immune to the touch test because of course you can walk through fog or smoke. And since the spell solid fog from 3.5 didn't make it into 5th, there's got to be some way to use make it real to make it solid.
Per the spell description, they can use their ACTION to make an Investigation check against the spell DC. That seems to be bog standard for 5E illusions, except this one is much more easy to justify them failing the investigation check. I mean, an illusory wall that they can stick their hands through, it's easy for a DM to say that was the action and it's an auto-succeed. But in this case, the illusion is in their own minds. They 'push their hand into it' and they actually feel it and perceive their hand stopping, not because Illusion, but because *delusion*. Learn a little about psychology and you can realize just how horrifying Phantasmal Force can legitimately be.
If you use a 6th level spell slot to cast Major Image you don't have to concentrate on the illusion and instead of a 10 minute duration it lasts until dispelled. Think of how this would combo with the 6th level Illusionist's feature Malleable Illusions. A forever illusion (basically) that you can change pretty much at will (1 action) to do almost anything (limited only by imagination and the constraints of the spell).
Illusion, abjuration, and conjuration are my favorite schools for a reason. Illusion: promotes creativity and dickery Conjuration: make tools for people to use like a key or lock pick tools. Plus with plenty of teleportation and summoning spells for dickery. And at level 14 your find familiar could arguably win a fight with a guard. +30 temp hp FTW. Oh and lots of my favorite spells like Galder tower exist Abjuration: loxodon wizard put all points into CON and INT. You are going to be aggravating to kill. Abjuration
8:30 You can move that illusion around anywhere within visual range as a bonus action. So make that thing into a small animal and take it everywhere with you. Portable multi-tool.
Mirage Arcane. Turn everything within a mile into a zero gravity zone. Cover it in thorns or lava, then make it real. If the DM won't let it cause damage, just make the viscosity real. A mile of difficult terrain goes a long way (pun intended)!
Gravity isn't something that Mirage Arcane can effect, it can create structures/terrain with smells/sounds/taste etc, but not affect the laws of physics. Besides that, illusory reality only can make objects real, not phenomena.
Illusion warlock and bard both with phantasmal force. Exploring a ruined temple wrecked by a dragon recently that was home to a bunch of orcs. Welp huge group of orcs was between us and the boss so we both used phantasmal force to make a dragon to scare the orcs while the cleric and paladin rattled their armor. We rolled a natural 20 and the orcs rolled a 1, and the bard who was a dragonborn used her breath weapon once we were close enough to the cowering group of orcs. 13 orcs met their electrified end at the hands of a warlock, a bard, a cleric, and a paladin with nothing more than two spell slots, a breath weapon, and good use of noisy armor
I had a question about using minor illusion and illusory reality, so here's the picture, you see a spell caster of some sort, you cast minor illusion as your action to create let's say plate armor on your enemy then use your your bonus action with illusory reality to make it real, the idea is most spell casters lack the proficiency with heavy armors, so with that they would get the disadvantages of wearing plate armor, disadvantage on ability checks, saving throws, attack rolls that involve str and dex, oh yeah and can't cast spells. Would this work in D&D 5E AL?
So for illusory reality is it way to much is a stretch so use major image to create a 20 foot cube of tungsten in the air and just drop it on the enemy?
That would still be your illusory cube directly harming the person underneath. It doesn't say the object shouldn't harm someone right as it materializes (e.g. impaling an enemy with an illusory spear, then making the spear real as it's in their body) but that it can not directly harm someone else. period. this would rule out any and all "I create object x above them and drop it." idea since contact with the illusory object is what you're intending them to get hurt by. Or in simpler terms (and obviously a very lenient DM could rule otherwise): If you make an illusory bow real and use it to shoot a real arrow, then the arrow can hurt someone since it's a real object being acceletared by an illusion. If you instead have a real bow and use it to fire an illusory arrow at someone, then the arrow will disappear or simply pass through, when it touches the enemy since it can not hurt directly. Thus the examples Drow Bard used are actually pretty good to take as inspiration. Cover someone in illusory oil and burn that oil? Your oil is not hurting people, it's merely transporting the fire which is hurting people. Cage a flying creature? The cage is not hurting the creature directly, but simply keeping it from flying. It's that lack of flight that causes the fall and the damage.
that could cause some really freaky reactions and even kill some enemies out of shock alone, but it can only be a distraction as the object isn't actually material. I find a really good way to see how illusions work by taking the episode in Hellsing Ultimate where a vampire is able to convince that they just chopped a castle in half alon with some guy's arm, their brain is firing off in terror, but as soon as they snap out of it they're able to get back on their feet and keep on unscathed if not for the mental trauma. Seeing illusions as, well, illusions, can also help solve the bridge issue where you create the illusion of a bridge, have someone levitate you to convince the enemy the bridge is real and then have the first dozen of pursuers fall to their deaths as they "phase trough the floor", when the back rows notice the error and figure out that the bridge is fake their numbers have been slightly reduced and they'll take a while to find out another pursue route, specially as they're now wary of other possible traps, making them slow down significantly.
Yea but even if the cube cant hurt you the ground under your feet will definitely do that when you are pushed into it. So if you drop a "real illusion" that's very heavy onto somebody they will still take indirect damage or simply suffocate under its weight.
I just realized...There's no limit on Illusory Reality...You could drop a Major Image (level 6 made permanent) on a dragon or such and then fly it back up and drop it again!
Thanks for showing me that Illusion wizards are SO FRICKING TERRIFYING! Also Mirage Arcane plus Malleable Illusions means you can be a god. Need to kill a dragon? Make it's lair filled with water and Acid while it doesn't know what's hurting it, or create hiding/ Safe places for adventures to hide. Not to mention a precariously placed chandelier. Have no cash? Just go into town, find a quiet place to cast a spell and buy anything with all your instant cash, trade it in for real gold. Or just use it to buy things.
I'm about to join an adventure league.. choosing between divination or illusion. Thinking lucky halfling, tactical Hobgoblin or a deep gnome. What do you think?
I thought about that and didn't include it. The idea I had was to make an illusory door in a wall and make it real. but the wall is still there just as the floor is still there if you made a pit. It's 100% a GM call, w.o.t.c has been really nebulous this time around and a lot of their rules don't make sense. I don't think you can take away something real. Whats even worse is if it did work then you could dismiss the spell potentially trapping the creatures beneath the earth.
Sorry, a hole is not an object, it's more a lack of any object. I thought of that then had to dismiss it for those reasons. I see your thinking about it which is good, but alas, it's not too be.
Wait could you use illusionary magic to make real objects disappear? Then use illusory reality to make it really disappear? Or you could use an illusion to make the opponent’s weapon/wand staff etc. appear as something else and make that a reality. Now the big scary magic sword the enemy had is a harmless rubber chicken.
Let say you cast Silent Image to create a stone wall that trap your enemy, then make it real. So you are basically concentrating on the spell Wall of Stone but a bit weaker. If you drop the concentration, the spell end and the wall disappear
"all the enemies think a bunch of sticks is their weapons" "the golem attempts to walk the non-existing stone bridge only to fall in the lava" "you convince the demon king to become your personal pet, barking and cuddling" Anyway, I usually go with a realistic way of casting illusions so you can give people only images in their head that they already had, for example you can create a trap in a room an enemy already explored and cloak the trap by giving the guy a mental illusion of how the room was beforehand, the tricky part of illusion, only master illusionists can successfully insert images of an unknown place or object to a person as that opens the path to godlike illusions that can terrorize even the greatest of opponent provided they don't have a strong mind or they're so dumb their brains can't create fake mental images as all they can process is what they see and they have no imagination, this allows you to deter predators like mammals but you can't do the same on insects. (also, the illusionist needs to study a certain creature for long enough in order to successfully cast illusions on them, with this you can end up with quite the stories from a ranger illusionist that's able to also act as really good beast tamer, a charming street performer that knows very well how to create illusions on people or a scholar in illusions that only read about certain beasts months ago and finds out only in the heat of battle that some of the information in the books was incorrect)
You have the issue of lip syncing the silent image with the sound. You can't do it perfectly, trying t control 2 spells at once, so you gave the observers a + to detect the discrepancy.
Oh god: Take the Illusionary bridge scenario, instead of dismissing it to have the pursuers fall, maleable that bridge into rocks/super sharp swords/caltrops? Or can you not maleable your illusiory reality?
I made an illusion of cave-in to stop our pursuers, then when the first guy figured it out, I made one of the boulders real when he walked through the illusion. It was so satisfying!
Could you make a pegasus drawn carriage and make the garage real but not the pegasus but the Pegasus is strapped to the cart as a part of the illusion could the illusion pegasus carry the real card since they were connected in the illusion?
I feel like Illusion kinda falls apart when you actually pay attention to the limitations of the actual spells (something every group I've ever seen ever has been horrible at, lol). For example, the Minor Illusion cantrip upgrade is great, but you can still only affect a single 5ft cube, it only lasts a minute (sometimes enough, sometimes nowhere near enough), and most importantly, you can only have one in effect at a time (this is the real killer). Suddenly, the possibilities are heavily reigned in, mostly because you can only have one active at a time.
The bonus of doing sound and image at the same time does help with the 5ft cube bit, at least. Because nowhere does it say that your sound has that 5 ft cube limit - it can originate from anywhere else. Set up a boulder to hide in while sounds of you running come from the opposite direction - lots of flexibility here
I have used minor Illus ion to make a copy of my forest gnome because he is not over 5 feet tall. I call it my poor wizards mirror Image most DM do a was save to know it is an illusion then a 50/50 if they failed the save to hit the illusion.
I don't think dispelling an illusion while it's in its real state is the intended rule. You make the object actually real, not just seem real. A real physical object can't be dispelled or dismissed. Treating real objects as if they still have the properties of an illusion might make the ability less OP though since the objects could be dispelled or disintegrated. edit: apparently there was a sage advice that ruled the real objects cannot be dispelled.
Wait, if you could make a car real (theoretically), does that mean you make sayy, I don't know, a Elephant Construct/ Robot real? It's inanimate and if something with the strength of a mechanical elephant used it's strength to say lift a log of lumber and drop it on someone, or maybe used a large weapon and swing it? *It's* not doing the damage the Log/Big weapon is, not to mention the thing it's holding is real and a DM can turn around and say that just because the Illusion is holding that the real, substantial object just loses it'a normal properties. (If I made an illusion of a toaster real and stuck a knife in there and tried to spring it, you couldn't say it does no damage because the toaster wasn't real.)
I know, I'm just giving more examples like the catapult. Just cause no damage is applied doesn't mean that physics isn't. So if an illusion with a force of a mega ton elephant smacks you with a real palm tree, that shit is going to hurt. I have never played an illusionist before, but I've always wanted to and this video was cool.
I'm thinking if creating an illusionist sorcerer for my next game, but I was considering a multiclass. Any suggestions? I was thinking a sorcerer/bard. (I'm still new so I apologize if that's a stupid multiclass.)
No need to apologise. if you have a good character concept and it makes sense why you'd play that combo, then go for it. sorcs are okay but for illusions specifically you should go wizard I think.
It looks like they cut the balls off of wizards in 5e. The illusions can't cause damage, the charms fail too soon. In the first addition the illusionist was a terror.
I remember, i expect it was due to balancing issues. 3.5 wizards were stupidly powerful. still, I always felt that was the trade off for the low hit points.
How do wizards play now, I started in 5th and so far none of us have done that class. I've run a barbarian, fighter and cleric so far. But most classes seem to be able to do something, although casters do seem to struggle at low levels from what I've seen so far mainly because they run out of slots and components make them have issues.
Components are not the issue the used to be. in many cases you are assumed to have them as long as you have you s.c.p, and as long as it has no monetary value in the description. also in this edition a component is only consumed if it specifically says so in the description. Don't worry to much about components, it's more for flavour in most cases. you don't need to be pedantic about components so just assume you have them. A wizard is a utility king. concentrate your spell slots on utility spells and if you do need to do any attacking then that's what cantrips are for. Wizards have an answer for almost anything. I never have as much fun as when i'm playing a wizard.
Cool I will bring the components thing up to my DM, I assume by monetary value you are referring to something like say a Diamond or actual gold pieces or a focuser that is work some fairly large sum even for say a 9th level spell? You make a wizard sound like a rouge, or at least how I like to look at them, proficiency with many skills lots of options, a person who can do a lot of interparty stuff fighting is almost secondary. We have a Teifling Sorcerer and a lot of his spells are things like thumagaly minor illusion and thunderstep from xanithars guide to everything. A fair number of them are for avoiding trouble but he still has chaos bolt also from xnathars guide to everything, and lighting bolt and fireball for a bit of punch beside his cantrips. Though I think a sorcerer is a bit more focused?
You only really need to provide a component when there is a cost in the description. e.g. 500gp worth of diamond dust or 5000gp jade statue, that kind of thing. Sorcerers are really mobile artillery platforms. they specialise in damage. Wizards are problem solvers. Wizards have a much more varied spell list than sorcerers and their special abilities are better suited to utility.
Make the hole look like a really bad illusion so they step on it. Add a sign that reads "real hole" or if they are idiots and really need help get the sign to say "illusion of a hole"
"you can choose one inanimate, nonmagical object that is part of the illusion and make that object real" I don't think that's really part of how the spell is intended to work. When they step into the hole, the ground is still there, so they would realize the hole is fake.
@@DrowBard So many DND youtubers do the same thing. For the longest time Nerdarchy had a painfully loud intro. Professionally speaking balancing the audio of your intro is literally the FIRST thing people do when improving the quality of their content.
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GM ~ "Nobody will EVER stop to look at these tracks"
Player 1 ~ "I use detect magic"
Player 2 ~ "I use detect traps"
Player 3 ~ "I summon a greater demon and ask it for advice"
Player 2 wasted their spell.
Player 3 wasted their party.
@@Abyssal86 bet they know whether ot not the tracks are real though
Player 4 ~ "I use divine intervention and ask my deity if the wall is real"
While they are in the middle of a chase.
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My Illusion wizard is a singer, and he summons 3 smaller versions of himself on his shoulder to make a barbershop quartet. That's his favourite use of minor illusion (I love the both visual and sound part, it makes it so much better).
Nice, Mirror image could work too. For a big show you don't want to disappoint those adoring fans if your booked for a show and have to go adventuring instead, Programmed Illusion, D&D's equivalent of the music video :)
I don’t think you can use minor illusion to do this. Minor illusion does not allow for movement, so while according to RAW you could have three versions of yourself, and sounds they wouldn’t actually appear to be singing. You would probably want major image for what you’re trying to achieve.
@@mf5220 It doesnt but most DM's will allow you to do things like this in situations where it has no effect in the game outside of flavor. We one time used minor illusion to help "Weekend at Bernies" a corpse. Totally outside of the realm of allowability but it was creative enough that the DM rolled with it.
The problem I have with illusions is players and sometimes a DM will behave as if they or npc have batman levels of reasoning and do an hours worth of thinking and prodding in a split second to instantly see through or handwave the illusion so it does nothing.
Like hell i know the barbarian charges enemies head first, but its meta gaming to position him in a way that he runs through the illusion, show no kind of surprise, and continues at a target beyond, the barb had no reason to belive it to be an illusion and should have stopped adjacent to it and spent an action, like swipe his weapon into thin air.
That's why I never play a deception based character. Every DM I've had just says "Oh, this guy rolls an investigation and sees through your disguise self"
Hallucinatory Terrain spell, and variants on it. " It is just an empty barn ? !"
@@alexwenham7136 Really bad DMs. As a player, I'd ask, "What reason does he have to do that?".
Make them use "their action" to discern if something is an illusion. (Especially if the spell says so.) To me metagaming would ruin the deployment of such tactics in a game. Unless the barbarian is aware of the illusion....require him to use "agency" to pay for the privilege's of discovery. I'm sure someone will argue about using "interactions" as not costing "an action". But some degree of believable results need to be adjudicated. No person runs through a brick wall (except a firefighter) to chase down the goblin in a nearby tunnel. Realistically.....the barrier would mentally deter the action. But if the Barbarian has a 4 INT.....go for it.
I think illusions (as well as spells like darkness) suffer from the combat being played on a map. It let's players and GM metagame.
If it was theatre of the mind and you had described something appearing in front of you etc the reaction would be much appropriate in most cases.
The more i learn about wizard schools (I usually don't pay attention to the class, for some reason...) the more I want to make a P.I. wizard with alot of utility spells and very few combat specific spells.
12:42 I'm sorry, but if we're making the catapult real I'm putting the Dwarf in it.
Great guide! I love how you use the art of mtg cards for this. Keep it up!
Tfw you create an illusion so real feeling and terrifying the opponent suffers a heart attack and dies.
AD&D2e and 3.5e 4th-level spell," Phantasmal Killer." Will DC: 16 or die from fright, if save is made,
make Fort save DC:16 or take 1d12 dmg.
My favorite illusion is the shell game. There is no pea. The pea is an illusion. So no matter which cup they select, they miss it. Also--there is no cake, the cake is a lie.
So I was looking up illusion stuff to make a major villian. And because this was one the best d&d videos I've ever seen (not rambling or over produced) I'm going to make the character (either a bard or wizard bard) a Drow in your honor.
Awesome, let me know how it turns out. I'd be really interested to hear how you play it and how your players react.
I'm so glad RUclips reccomended you to me. I love your content.
Thanks man. at least YT got something right for a change :)
Hello, my favourite Bard! I'm gonna create a illusionist bard. This character concept seems amazing to me because it's all about deception, performance, illusions and enchantments. First I was gonna create an arcane trickster but it was trying to be too many things at the same time. Then I started to think about making an absolute arcane bardstard :D Half elf College of Lore bard with the actor feat at level 4 is gonna be so much fun, I can't wait. My character has been on a run from his foster home for couple of years because of they tried to sell him to slavery instead giving him shelter. That's why my character has a lot of trust issues and always tries to look and sound like someone else and because of the betrayal is very paranoid. He will gradually trust people but it's hard. My bard is more of an actor than a singer. Because of the charlatan background he has proficiency in disguise kit and forgery kit. He can create very good disguises both magically and non-magically. Depending on the occasion he will disguise himself from seducting Femme Fatale to smelly street bum. I'm really excited for this type of character because the DM is going to give us the players creative freedom, so basically sandbox. Anyways, thanks for your excellent videos and greetings from Finland. Keep up the good work! :)
Best illusion wizard video. I am now inspired
Loved this video!
uses level 14 ability to create a key, realizes prestidigitation is a level 0 spell
Great video!
Thank u, not much illusion stuff out there good job and thanks
Thanks for opening up my mind a bit more. I'm very interested in the illusion wizard.
No problem, glad you got something out of it.
Make an image of one of your enemies running down a corridor, or beckoning guards or pursuers. Illusion is for distracting enemies and making them waste their turn.
There's no mention of the phantasmal force spell, which you don't even need illusionist abilities to make better. You can do the cage a flyer trick to make it fall w/o needing to make it real because the target believes its real. You can entomb a target, the ground opens up swallows them 50' under and closes about them crushing them for psychic damage, rendering them blind and deafened to everything around them, and restrained, and any damage your allies do to them will be believed to be resulting from the crushing rock.
Simple Illusion: you can create a small fog cloud (heavy concealment) that you can move about the battlefield as needed, that you and your allies can easily see through (you should have advantage on the investigate check because you'll know its an illusion) and its immune to the touch test because of course you can walk through fog or smoke. And since the spell solid fog from 3.5 didn't make it into 5th, there's got to be some way to use make it real to make it solid.
Well though out , I miss solid fog.
Not sure as dm I’d set the precedent that some illusions are immune to being detected when interacted with. Illusions are already powerful enough.
Per the spell description, they can use their ACTION to make an Investigation check against the spell DC. That seems to be bog standard for 5E illusions, except this one is much more easy to justify them failing the investigation check.
I mean, an illusory wall that they can stick their hands through, it's easy for a DM to say that was the action and it's an auto-succeed. But in this case, the illusion is in their own minds. They 'push their hand into it' and they actually feel it and perceive their hand stopping, not because Illusion, but because *delusion*.
Learn a little about psychology and you can realize just how horrifying Phantasmal Force can legitimately be.
Great video
Thanks man :)
Illusion wizard is literally the 'fake news' wizard 😁
Abjurers need safe spaces and transmuters keep comparing apples with oranges :)
Magic universities have turned into kindergartens for sissies! _Back in my days teachers threw fire balls at us!_
Illusion spells are great every wizard should take some, With just alittle creativity they can be powerful tools.
Yep. They're tons of fun, when you fool your target. It's a satisfying feeling.
If you use a 6th level spell slot to cast Major Image you don't have to concentrate on the illusion and instead of a 10 minute duration it lasts until dispelled. Think of how this would combo with the 6th level Illusionist's feature Malleable Illusions.
A forever illusion (basically) that you can change pretty much at will (1 action) to do almost anything (limited only by imagination and the constraints of the spell).
Illusion, abjuration, and conjuration are my favorite schools for a reason.
Illusion: promotes creativity and dickery
Conjuration: make tools for people to use like a key or lock pick tools. Plus with plenty of teleportation and summoning spells for dickery. And at level 14 your find familiar could arguably win a fight with a guard. +30 temp hp FTW. Oh and lots of my favorite spells like Galder tower exist
Abjuration: loxodon wizard put all points into CON and INT. You are going to be aggravating to kill.
Abjuration
8:30 You can move that illusion around anywhere within visual range as a bonus action. So make that thing into a small animal and take it everywhere with you. Portable multi-tool.
I'd say Illusory Self is great for when you accidentally screw up and a balor crits on you with its sword
Well, there is that.
You could cast the illusion of a small sniper tower or pillbox for ranged chracters an make it real.
Building are objects so anything from a hut to a castle, provided it fits within the dimensions of the illusion.
Mirage Arcane. Turn everything within a mile into a zero gravity zone. Cover it in thorns or lava, then make it real. If the DM won't let it cause damage, just make the viscosity real. A mile of difficult terrain goes a long way (pun intended)!
Gravity isn't something that Mirage Arcane can effect, it can create structures/terrain with smells/sounds/taste etc, but not affect the laws of physics. Besides that, illusory reality only can make objects real, not phenomena.
you can already make difficult terrain with mirage arcane, it's in the spell description
Word of God says that Mirage Arcane CAN in fact cause damage, Illusory Reality is not necessary.
Just make everything a lava lake. Lava lakes are among the most difficult of terrains.
This give me and a idea for a good drow
Illusion warlock and bard both with phantasmal force. Exploring a ruined temple wrecked by a dragon recently that was home to a bunch of orcs. Welp huge group of orcs was between us and the boss so we both used phantasmal force to make a dragon to scare the orcs while the cleric and paladin rattled their armor. We rolled a natural 20 and the orcs rolled a 1, and the bard who was a dragonborn used her breath weapon once we were close enough to the cowering group of orcs. 13 orcs met their electrified end at the hands of a warlock, a bard, a cleric, and a paladin with nothing more than two spell slots, a breath weapon, and good use of noisy armor
I had a question about using minor illusion and illusory reality, so here's the picture, you see a spell caster of some sort, you cast minor illusion as your action to create let's say plate armor on your enemy then use your your bonus action with illusory reality to make it real, the idea is most spell casters lack the proficiency with heavy armors, so with that they would get the disadvantages of wearing plate armor, disadvantage on ability checks, saving throws, attack rolls that involve str and dex, oh yeah and can't cast spells. Would this work in D&D 5E AL?
interesting idea, but Illusory reality only works on lvl 1 spells or higher.
Illusory reality is nice.
"Welcome to my reality"
So for illusory reality is it way to much is a stretch so use major image to create a 20 foot cube of tungsten in the air and just drop it on the enemy?
a little bland, but it gets the job done ;)
That would still be your illusory cube directly harming the person underneath. It doesn't say the object shouldn't harm someone right as it materializes (e.g. impaling an enemy with an illusory spear, then making the spear real as it's in their body) but that it can not directly harm someone else. period. this would rule out any and all "I create object x above them and drop it." idea since contact with the illusory object is what you're intending them to get hurt by.
Or in simpler terms (and obviously a very lenient DM could rule otherwise): If you make an illusory bow real and use it to shoot a real arrow, then the arrow can hurt someone since it's a real object being acceletared by an illusion. If you instead have a real bow and use it to fire an illusory arrow at someone, then the arrow will disappear or simply pass through, when it touches the enemy since it can not hurt directly.
Thus the examples Drow Bard used are actually pretty good to take as inspiration. Cover someone in illusory oil and burn that oil? Your oil is not hurting people, it's merely transporting the fire which is hurting people. Cage a flying creature? The cage is not hurting the creature directly, but simply keeping it from flying. It's that lack of flight that causes the fall and the damage.
that could cause some really freaky reactions and even kill some enemies out of shock alone, but it can only be a distraction as the object isn't actually material. I find a really good way to see how illusions work by taking the episode in Hellsing Ultimate where a vampire is able to convince that they just chopped a castle in half alon with some guy's arm, their brain is firing off in terror, but as soon as they snap out of it they're able to get back on their feet and keep on unscathed if not for the mental trauma.
Seeing illusions as, well, illusions, can also help solve the bridge issue where you create the illusion of a bridge, have someone levitate you to convince the enemy the bridge is real and then have the first dozen of pursuers fall to their deaths as they "phase trough the floor", when the back rows notice the error and figure out that the bridge is fake their numbers have been slightly reduced and they'll take a while to find out another pursue route, specially as they're now wary of other possible traps, making them slow down significantly.
Yea but even if the cube cant hurt you the ground under your feet will definitely do that when you are pushed into it.
So if you drop a "real illusion" that's very heavy onto somebody they will still take indirect damage or simply suffocate under its weight.
It can’t hurt anyone though. Now if you chained it to something and that fell it’s hurt things or the creature it’s attached to.
I just realized...There's no limit on Illusory Reality...You could drop a Major Image (level 6 made permanent) on a dragon or such and then fly it back up and drop it again!
Told you it was too good. :)
Thanks for showing me that Illusion wizards are SO FRICKING TERRIFYING! Also Mirage Arcane plus Malleable Illusions means you can be a god.
Need to kill a dragon? Make it's lair filled with water and Acid while it doesn't know what's hurting it, or create hiding/ Safe places for adventures to hide. Not to mention a precariously placed chandelier.
Have no cash? Just go into town, find a quiet place to cast a spell and buy anything with all your instant cash, trade it in for real gold. Or just use it to buy things.
For the ship just make a illusion of a hole in it and then make the hole real
Is a hole an object? It's the lack of an object really but if you count air as an object I guess it works.
I'm about to join an adventure league.. choosing between divination or illusion. Thinking lucky halfling, tactical Hobgoblin or a deep gnome. What do you think?
Divination seems more useful.
Go gnome or go home.
I read somewhere about a paladin necromancer build. Know anything about it?
i imagine its the oathbreaker from DMG. i'd need to do some research though.
What if you made a pit real and something fell into it then dismiss the illusion what happens to the creature that's in it?
I thought about that and didn't include it. The idea I had was to make an illusory door in a wall and make it real. but the wall is still there just as the floor is still there if you made a pit. It's 100% a GM call, w.o.t.c has been really nebulous this time around and a lot of their rules don't make sense. I don't think you can take away something real. Whats even worse is if it did work then you could dismiss the spell potentially trapping the creatures beneath the earth.
the wording makes it clear. you make an object real not a hole. kek
Well said.
The object is the hole...
Or just make an illusion of quicksand 100 feet deep, make it real, then dismiss it.
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could you create the image of your allies and the enemy wont know to attack the illusion or the real one?
Can you create a hole, and let ppl fall and take dmg... or if they are down the hole, and you disspell it, what would happen?
Sorry, a hole is not an object, it's more a lack of any object. I thought of that then had to dismiss it for those reasons. I see your thinking about it which is good, but alas, it's not too be.
Wait could you use illusionary magic to make real objects disappear? Then use illusory reality to make it really disappear? Or you could use an illusion to make the opponent’s weapon/wand staff etc. appear as something else and make that a reality. Now the big scary magic sword the enemy had is a harmless rubber chicken.
Hmm idk
Let say you cast Silent Image to create a stone wall that trap your enemy, then make it real. So you are basically concentrating on the spell Wall of Stone but a bit weaker. If you drop the concentration, the spell end and the wall disappear
Could you use illusory reality to make spell components?
I'm a little late but I'm pretty sure this is one of the better ideas lol. Hadn't thought of it that way but it def could work from what I know!
Wait can you remove something like say a wall?
"all the enemies think a bunch of sticks is their weapons"
"the golem attempts to walk the non-existing stone bridge only to fall in the lava"
"you convince the demon king to become your personal pet, barking and cuddling"
Anyway, I usually go with a realistic way of casting illusions so you can give people only images in their head that they already had, for example you can create a trap in a room an enemy already explored and cloak the trap by giving the guy a mental illusion of how the room was beforehand, the tricky part of illusion, only master illusionists can successfully insert images of an unknown place or object to a person as that opens the path to godlike illusions that can terrorize even the greatest of opponent provided they don't have a strong mind or they're so dumb their brains can't create fake mental images as all they can process is what they see and they have no imagination, this allows you to deter predators like mammals but you can't do the same on insects.
(also, the illusionist needs to study a certain creature for long enough in order to successfully cast illusions on them, with this you can end up with quite the stories from a ranger illusionist that's able to also act as really good beast tamer, a charming street performer that knows very well how to create illusions on people or a scholar in illusions that only read about certain beasts months ago and finds out only in the heat of battle that some of the information in the books was incorrect)
Why has it not occured to anyone to use illusory reality to creat spell components with a gold cost?
So the Warlock invocation for silent image and minor illusion = Major illusion? Lvl 3 Warlock with this combo. Any good ideas!? 🤙
You have the issue of lip syncing the silent image with the sound.
You can't do it perfectly, trying t control 2 spells at once, so you gave the observers a + to detect the discrepancy.
Oh god: Take the Illusionary bridge scenario, instead of dismissing it to have the pursuers fall, maleable that bridge into rocks/super sharp swords/caltrops? Or can you not maleable your illusiory reality?
illusion of a boulder over their head
You know it!
Rock falls, they die(or for the dick dm, rock falls you die.)
It can't deal damage, but it could sure as anything keep them immobilized on the ground (unless they are freaking crazy strong).
That was the point of my joke.
I made an illusion of cave-in to stop our pursuers, then when the first guy figured it out, I made one of the boulders real when he walked through the illusion. It was so satisfying!
ADND Illusion were gods for the most part. even at low lv. With phantasom phorse being so so so so OP.
Could you make a pegasus drawn carriage and make the garage real but not the pegasus but the Pegasus is strapped to the cart as a part of the illusion could the illusion pegasus carry the real card since they were connected in the illusion?
Walking yes, flying probably no... it'd be weight dependant. Real implies real mass physics as well.
My school of illusion wizard is a wizard who thinks he is a rogue
I feel like Illusion kinda falls apart when you actually pay attention to the limitations of the actual spells (something every group I've ever seen ever has been horrible at, lol).
For example, the Minor Illusion cantrip upgrade is great, but you can still only affect a single 5ft cube, it only lasts a minute (sometimes enough, sometimes nowhere near enough), and most importantly, you can only have one in effect at a time (this is the real killer).
Suddenly, the possibilities are heavily reigned in, mostly because you can only have one active at a time.
Bingo!
The bonus of doing sound and image at the same time does help with the 5ft cube bit, at least. Because nowhere does it say that your sound has that 5 ft cube limit - it can originate from anywhere else.
Set up a boulder to hide in while sounds of you running come from the opposite direction - lots of flexibility here
I have used minor Illus
ion to make a copy of my forest gnome because he is not over 5 feet tall. I call it my poor wizards mirror Image most DM do a was save to know it is an illusion then a 50/50 if they failed the save to hit the illusion.
I used minor illusion to make my character invisible as an assassin. fun times having janky invis.
minor illusion doesn't allow you to make an illusion of a creature, only objects, read the text of the spell
5' cube of shadow to hide in and make sneak attacks from is great for rogues.
I don't think dispelling an illusion while it's in its real state is the intended rule. You make the object actually real, not just seem real. A real physical object can't be dispelled or dismissed. Treating real objects as if they still have the properties of an illusion might make the ability less OP though since the objects could be dispelled or disintegrated.
edit: apparently there was a sage advice that ruled the real objects cannot be dispelled.
you could load and shoot a catapult in less than a minute?
Wash_Your_Fruits As a Wizard? Definitely. With a cooperative party? Extra so.
Wait, if you could make a car real (theoretically), does that mean you make sayy, I don't know, a Elephant Construct/ Robot real? It's inanimate and if something with the strength of a mechanical elephant used it's strength to say lift a log of lumber and drop it on someone, or maybe used a large weapon and swing it? *It's* not doing the damage the Log/Big weapon is, not to mention the thing it's holding is real and a DM can turn around and say that just because the Illusion is holding that the real, substantial object just loses it'a normal properties. (If I made an illusion of a toaster real and stuck a knife in there and tried to spring it, you couldn't say it does no damage because the toaster wasn't real.)
The specifics of the ability state the illusion made real does no damage, but as with our catapult example damage is still possible.
I know, I'm just giving more examples like the catapult. Just cause no damage is applied doesn't mean that physics isn't. So if an illusion with a force of a mega ton elephant smacks you with a real palm tree, that shit is going to hurt. I have never played an illusionist before, but I've always wanted to and this video was cool.
Couldn’t you make an illusion of any non-damaging spell real?
Err, i doubt it, it's 1 object, inanimate and non-magical.
No
I'm thinking if creating an illusionist sorcerer for my next game, but I was considering a multiclass. Any suggestions? I was thinking a sorcerer/bard.
(I'm still new so I apologize if that's a stupid multiclass.)
No need to apologise. if you have a good character concept and it makes sense why you'd play that combo, then go for it. sorcs are okay but for illusions specifically you should go wizard I think.
Wizard 14 trickster domain cleric 6
It looks like they cut the balls off of wizards in 5e. The illusions can't cause damage, the charms fail too soon. In the first addition the illusionist was a terror.
I remember, i expect it was due to balancing issues. 3.5 wizards were stupidly powerful. still, I always felt that was the trade off for the low hit points.
How do wizards play now, I started in 5th and so far none of us have done that class. I've run a barbarian, fighter and cleric so far. But most classes seem to be able to do something, although casters do seem to struggle at low levels from what I've seen so far mainly because they run out of slots and components make them have issues.
Components are not the issue the used to be. in many cases you are assumed to have them as long as you have you s.c.p, and as long as it has no monetary value in the description. also in this edition a component is only consumed if it specifically says so in the description.
Don't worry to much about components, it's more for flavour in most cases. you don't need to be pedantic about components so just assume you have them.
A wizard is a utility king. concentrate your spell slots on utility spells and if you do need to do any attacking then that's what cantrips are for.
Wizards have an answer for almost anything. I never have as much fun as when i'm playing a wizard.
Cool I will bring the components thing up to my DM, I assume by monetary value you are referring to something like say a Diamond or actual gold pieces or a focuser that is work some fairly large sum even for say a 9th level spell?
You make a wizard sound like a rouge, or at least how I like to look at them, proficiency with many skills lots of options, a person who can do a lot of interparty stuff fighting is almost secondary.
We have a Teifling Sorcerer and a lot of his spells are things like thumagaly minor illusion and thunderstep from xanithars guide to everything. A fair number of them are for avoiding trouble but he still has chaos bolt also from xnathars guide to everything, and lighting bolt and fireball for a bit of punch beside his cantrips. Though I think a sorcerer is a bit more focused?
You only really need to provide a component when there is a cost in the description. e.g. 500gp worth of diamond dust or 5000gp jade statue, that kind of thing.
Sorcerers are really mobile artillery platforms. they specialise in damage. Wizards are problem solvers. Wizards have a much more varied spell list than sorcerers and their special abilities are better suited to utility.
Make a illusion of the room flooded with water then make that real and have them suffocate
An illusion that turns real can't do damage so depending on how your dm sees suffocation (as damage or otherwise) it might not work
That intro is super loud!
Hey. Create a hole in the ground underneath the enemy. Make it real. The fall could kill them
Make the hole look like a really bad illusion so they step on it. Add a sign that reads "real hole" or if they are idiots and really need help get the sign to say "illusion of a hole"
"you can choose one inanimate, nonmagical object that is part of the illusion and make that object real" I don't think that's really part of how the spell is intended to work. When they step into the hole, the ground is still there, so they would realize the hole is fake.
I don't think you can classify a whirlpool as an object.
Thinking back on it yes, very large anchor then, that'll do.
turn your damn intro down
NEVER! ;)
Please
Agreed.
It is a horrible intro
@@DrowBard So many DND youtubers do the same thing. For the longest time Nerdarchy had a painfully loud intro.
Professionally speaking balancing the audio of your intro is literally the FIRST thing people do when improving the quality of their content.
This was really extremely superficial. You didn't mention concentration, creation, phantasmal force, or a lot of other things.
Your intro is way too loud
12:42 I'm sorry, but if we're making the catapult real I'm putting the Dwarf in it.
Genius!
Tabaxi are the best race to put into a cat-a-pult