What Was the Argonath of Gondor and Why Was it Built? | Lord of the Rings Lore | Middle-Earth
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- What was the Argonath of Gondor and why was it built? Which famous kings were represented in this monument and why were they chosen? These questions and more as we discuss the history of the Argonath, one of the greatest monuments of Middle-Earth.
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"And the statues were in the shape of Isildur and his brother, Anarion" Thank you someone finally remembers Anarion, my personal favorite of the two sons of Elendil. Such a brave, fearless king deserved a better end for himself and his line.
the Argonath! Long have I desired to look upon the kings of Old, My kin
The exact quote that went in my mind. When he talked about that scene.
Yes, yes, mr.Telcontar; we get it. You are related to kings. Now keep paddling!😉
@@roddo1955 okk, I was Just giving some Information to the halflings who've never crossed thier country's boundry
Wealth beyond measure, outlander...
Welcome to mordor
Peter Jackson took a lot of liberties with Tolkien's story, but the scene where the Fellowship passes through the Argonath is extremely moving and goes a long way to illustrating the power that was Gondor and only hints at the immesurable power of Numenor that preceeded it.
That is not true. I loved that Howard Shore's Female Choir sang at first, but yet again, he then plays the Ring's Theme, (Chance Thomas's Argonath Theme is a lot more gorgeous because it is Anglo-Saxon). The CGI in this scene is also bad because Jackson and the filmmakers tried too hard to be the best adaptation. One of the most important scenes in the book, and in the entire trilogy, is when the four Hobbits are afraid of the Argonath, and they see Aragorn as one of the Kings of Old.
@@saberhamlinconmaverickknud4821 Nah, it was definitely a great scene done well. The hobbits being afraid of a large statue would have been irrational in the movie. A lot of times the emotions and thoughts that Tolkien put into the characters wouldn't seem realistic to modern audiences, so it was better for Jackson to have them inspire awe rather than fear.
The Argonath weren‘t CGI though, they used Miniatures standing several meters tall.
Agreed. Imagine the hollowness of the movie without the ruins and massive statues and towers, but instead, close ups and paintings, like its the 1950s trying to do it on a shoestring budget...
Despite any changes that PJ had to make for the movies, they still blew me away with so many scenes appearing just how I'd imagined them when first reading the books as a teenager in the late 70's.
I'm sure a lot was also due to Tolkien's descriptive power, but the Argonath scene was just perfect, and the realism even exceeded my imagination.
Ditto, I think we read the trilogy about the same time. Seeing this brought to life was emotionally overwhelming. It showed not just the might of the children of Numenor, but how faded were there heirs.
Yeah PJ did a great job in my humble opinion on the Lord of the rings but he stumbled with The Hobbit trilogy
I was always in awe of the scene myself in the movies. Such grandeur and awe. I have it as my background on my PCs.
Please post download links
I don't recall. Just look up LOTR wallpaper.
Ancient alien theorists contend that the Argonath would've been impossible to build by their much more primitive ancestors. Is it possible they had some (possibly otherworldly) assistance??
The Numénoreans had knowledge and possibly "technology" that was lost over time as Numénor have been destoryed and the Kingdom of Gondor declined, similiar to how the dwarves of Erebor once did the best type of armours but once Smaug occupied The Lonely Mountain and the dwarves fled, they lost the old knowledge on how to make such armour as these weren't been documented or all documents most likely were destoryed when the dragon attacked. Gloín tells in The Council of Elrond that when dwarves resettled Erebor after The Battle of Five Armies, their mining and craftmanship of making jewellery were at its high peak, they couldn't make armors as great as before Smaug's attack, as the knowledge and probably the means of making them were lost, so the same must be said about the Numénoreans ability to build statues too.
Also, this reflects on the mystery of how the ancient egyptians built the pyramids. Maybe Tolkien got the inspiration of The Argonath came from the ancient pyramids of Egypt, as they were both were wonders of their own worlds.
Aliens in middle earth? I hope that's not what the show is about.
Hahaha wonderfull humorous comment
highly compelling
F U B A R methink you can’t be serious
The 2 biggest stop signs in history...
I got them as Bookend in a collectors pack of the DVD of fellowship :)
That’s pretty dope
Thats real cool!
So did I, I had a fair collection of LOTR toys, figures and weapons. Sadly, all I have left is Andúril, it's nearly as tall as I am lol.
So did I, but they broke while moving. 😥
I always loved the thought of them. When the movies came out I was worried they would leave them out or not do them proper justice. My worries were unfounded though. When I saw them in the cinema [ and you had to see them on the big screen ] I think I had the same reaction the Fellowship. Mind blown!
Boromir attacked Frodo only hours after passing trough the Argonath. Maybe traveling trough the monuments together with the true heir of Gondor, took the last faith out of him, now realizing that Gondor may not survive, and if it should prevail, the man on his left will be the new ruler of the kingdom and not himself.
Good argument indeed..
Quite likely Tolkien thought of that as well.
Rich as it's world and it's written history already is, there a richness even between the lines, on a subconsious level..
You might very well have stumbled upon one
@@ppvk2610 it always made sense to me. Passing trough the monument guarding your kingdom while cowering, while at the same time aragorn, reacting in a polar oposite way. "gondor need No king", are you still sure about that boromir? And it is not a shot at boromir eighter, any situation like this in close proximity of the ring would probably twist a persons mind. Him instingtively trying to steal the ring as a last resort to save his kingdom makes sense in this context.
The statues appeared to hold up well for 1700 years, they must be in a temperate enough area to see freezing temperatures seldomly or be protected magically to keep all their fingers. The statues would easily stand for another 1000 years before rain eroded them enought their outstretched arms would break and their features increasingly dissapear
Well, Numenor stonework is in place. If you know what I mean...
I feel like this was inspired by the ancient wonder the colossus of rhodes. I love this scene.
The Colossus of Rhodes I don't think was as big as what is depicted in the movies.
@@MountainFisher it wasn't as tall as the Titan of Braavos even though it was a clear inspiration
@@joshuahuff607 Well the Colossus was a historical object inspired by the Sun god Helios and was only 100 feet or 30 meters tall. Whereas the Titan of Braavos is merely a work of fiction as are the Argonath statues.
@@MountainFisher you completely the point lmao
@@joshuahuff607 Missed what point? I had to look up the Braavos reference as I've never watched GOT, but my point is that one was real and the other two are fiction.
Awe inspiring. Giving the reader a glimpse of a world he can only imagine
Thats also what i like about the trilogy, a glimpse of that world
My favourit monuments in the Middle Earth, for sure! And I also loved that scene in the movies... Thank you so much for another amazing video, Karl! You're amazing!
Cheers from Portugal!
I'll never forget seeing the Argonath while watching FOTR on the big screen.
I really love it how so many places in middel earth show the former might of the Numénoreans, really made the world and its history so much better.
You do know although so instresting and cool ,it's fiction?
@@ralfigs No, orcs, wizzards, trolls thats all really happended in sweden, jackass.
Woah, I never knew Aragorn never crossed the Argonath before that moment.... And I payed little attention to his demeanor at the time but there was a significant change in him after that... Too cool!
Thank you for this lore in these trying times, my lord.
Didn't realize Gondor's territory extended that far north past Rohan. Also 3:07 looks like an insane minecraft recreation.
it is, it's from Minecraft Middle Earth Rp server. www.mcmiddleearth.com/
Best way to start my weekend! Thank you oh so much! What a glorious video! Keep making them forever!!!!
The Argonath... Astonishing monuments, heritages or relics of the past...
Could you make a video of the history of the Black Gate?
Yes indeed
What are they called again?
Maranon or something..
@@ppvk2610 Morannon
@@riyazpatel6967 yes thank you, also monumental, a bit of the argonath equivalent
Beautiful video, mellon! I love the Argonath! What a majestic monument!
Hollow Knight music at the end was a great cap to a great video! Thank you!
I always look forward to your videos and all that I can learn from them. I am inspired to re-read those parts of the books that feature in your videos!! So appreciated Sir :)
Thanks so much for this video. I too am so impressed with these massive monuments and I always wanted to know the back story. Well done!
I always thought it was weird as well that all of Aragorns travels he’s never seen them?
Yes it's peculiar. Perhaps he wanted to save this one for a special occasion? Like he only wanted to look Isildur in the eyes when the moment had come to correct his mistake?
@@Crafty_Spirit hmm, that’s a really good thought/idea. I’ll start using that one 😎
@@unclefester1840 Send thy royalties to the dominion of Gondor, the office of lore master taxation, 3rd level on the east end of Minas Tirith 🌠
@@Crafty_Spirit checks in the mail buddy.
@@unclefester1840 Appreciated :-) Other question: why do you think are the statues depicted with axes instead of say swords?
I love the WoW theme in the Backround :)
Very cool. Always been fascinated by this location
The Brothers Hildebrandt ALSO did an excellent rendering, in one of their 1980's LOTR Calendars!
Love the dark elves in Warhammer soundtrack in the beginning! Great video
As a kid I thought these were the most amazing and beautiful and massive
DISCUSSION REQUEST: There's probably not a lot to say, but this stands out from it's absence in the movies. What can be said abou The Dawnless Day? I thought that was a creepy event in the books.
Luv that scene. I'm embarrassed to say how many times I've watch LOTR movies. Lockdown coming again, so happy moment on my 4K 65" Sony. Too bad 4K hasn't been released yet for these movies.
Well done video. Such a powerful symbol in the movie and more knowledge in your video
Always such impressive artwork in your videos.Such talented 🎨 artists
I thought they were pretty cool but the one thing that always bothered me was the lack of symmetry. It drives my OCD nuts seeing them stand in the same pose it just looks so weird and truthfully, unfinished, like it was an afterthought.
To me they should have been mirror images of each other, with the right side having its left hand outstretched and the left side having its right hand outstretched.
Yes, but no. I see your point but to me holding out different arms would feel so unnatural.
@@Mrilter92 i agree
To me the way they are is more powerfull then symmetrical
But if one held out his right hand his weapon wouldn't be ready to be drawn. Less foreboding. I like the martial correctness of the left hand. OCD must suck
In the current pose, their dominant weapon hand is free. If they were symmetrical, it would give off the feeling that the designers were like "They must be pretty and pleasing to the eye!".
Right hand extended would symbolize a welcome or greeting, it would indicate honor being shown to those approaching. These are not welcoming, they are warning and shunning those who should not enter, thus the sinister hand is extended, as one would not wish to continue towards such obvious ill intent.
I'm so lucky that i already passed these river with the stunning statue of Argonath ...i am a sailor on a cargo ship and we have passed this river for these is the main entrance of the river now a days...
Yes, it was an awesome sight in the film - hat's off to the graphic artists !!
Ruth Gilbo absolutely. In the 'behind the scenes' DVDs, the artists pointed out that if you look carefully, you can even see the quarries where the stones were mined and shaped, to eventually become the two mighty statues!
@@ponymandesperado6261 Yep - I did notice the quarries - such a great segment of film!
Short and sweet, great video
🙇🏻♂️ I’ve missed your videos my lord 🙇🏻♂️
I love how when you pronounce the Tolkien names, it sounds like you're paying for it with your life.
When I think of the Lord of the rings theme. The scene of the fellowship rowing pasts these statues of Yore is what comes to mind.
I been waiting for this
I've seen the Argonath and sat upon the seat of Amon Hen, even if it was only in the online MMORPG Lord of the Rings Online. They are majestic indeed, though smaller by necessity in the game, but imagination can make up for the rest.
Majestic and impressive
CONGRATULATIONS
Dude, I love Lord of The Rings.
Any idea or lore reference as to why they were depicted with axes specifically, instead of swords or something else?
There was a Reddit on this and comments eluded to the Roman Empire which Tolkien may have adopted from regarding imperium.
In my opinion the axe represents both destruction and construction which is a balance a king must weigh. It also a representation of Gondor's power as a strong advanced kingdom.
I loved the tribute done in the Rastan video game!
I have a question. When the fellowship split up shortly after the battle with the Uruk-hai, Aragorn seemed to know that he had to split up from Frodo and that that’s what Frodo’s plan was. I get that Aragorn legolas and gimli went to save Mary and pippin but did Frodo want to split up because he knew it would corrupt the fellowship like it did Boromir or why was he so keen so split up the fellowship. Aragorn says “I would’ve followed you into the fires of mount doom” like he knows he won’t be there with him to help him.
Anyone else almost prefer that artist's rendition of minis tirith at the beginning?
Any chance you’ve made a video explaining Galadriel powers and abilities while fighting Sauron? And why she enters the same state after being offered the one ring? I can’t seem to find an explanation. Thanks
In reality things like mount Rushmore will last for millions of years past humans do it'd likely that only the arms will fall off after a very very very long time
What was the broken stone head visible in the film and in the drawing in the video, on Amon Hen?
I believe it was the head of the statue that sat at the crossroads of the road from Minis Tirith to Minus Morgul and the South Road through Ithilien. Frodo, Sam and Gollum passed it on the way to the Stair of Cirith Ungol. When Aragorn passed by it with his army and the Lords of the West, some of the soldiers cleaned and repaired the fallen king’s head and restored it to the statue.
I thought of an interesting question. Do u think part of Morgoths soul was in all great dragons, including Smaug?
Wow got chills from this good on ya
Can you do lore on Barley the dwarfs tomb that the fellowship came across in Moria?
Great video
In the movie the statues were changed from Anarion to Elendil. While this is a speculation, it is very likely that since Elendil was an important character, being the leader of Arnor and Gondorean army of The Last Alliance and the fact that Anarion was slain early in the battle and wasn't present at the final stage when Sauron came to fight off, killed Elendil and almost killed Isildur (Gil-Galad's death was to be shown according to early storyboards but cut for time and pacing, it's not known werever it was filmed or not, a lot of stuff were filmed that wasn't even in the Extended Edition, so until official statements from Peter Jackson or New Line comes out, who knows) and therefore almost defeated the Last Alliance, that's why he wasn't shown.
Anarion is mentioned in The Return of the King in the dialouge by Denethor "I am the servant of the house of Anarion. Thus I have walked... thus now I will asleep." so he could still been in battle, just not shown. Same about Thorin's brother Frerin who wasn't seen in The Hobbit: An Unexcepted Journey (or even mentioned), he also died at The Battle of Azanulbizar in the book, similiar to Anarion, but still could be canon in the movies even if hasn't seen (like with Dol-Amroth as his flag is shown in the crowd in The Battle of Morannon, even if wasn't featured).
The movies did an awesome job on the Argonath. It is such a huge monument it even puts the stonemasons of the dwarves to amazement.
Is it possible that there was some Dwarven contribution to these monuments?
@@terrywest111 Doubtful as the Numenoreans, people of Gondor were from Numenor, were superb builders even surpassing Dwarven accomplishments. The Tower of Orthanc at Isengard was indestructible by any known means and same for the walls of Minas Tirith.
Have you read the books or just watched the movies? The movies never mentioned what I just told you. It is possible the Argonath monuments were made from the same material as they barely showed any deterioration.
Since Halloween is right around the corner, how about we talk about one of the darkest places in all of Arda? What if Utumno was rebuilt and became Morgoths stronghold again for the 1st age? How would the war of beleriand play out if Udun had risen once again? Could Morgoth have won? A theory video idea in honor of the season of fright 😱
A nitpick -why is the likeness of Anarion on the eastern shore, while Isildur is on the western shore? Shouldn't it be the other way around since Isildur ruled Minas Ithil and Ithilien which lay on the eastern side of the River Anduin, while his brother Anarion ruled Minas Anor (which later became Minas Tirith after the fall of Minas Ithil, and its subsequent morphing into Minas Morgul)) and the all the lands west of the Anduin? Seems a bit of an oversight to me.
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Awesome video :)
The world of Middle Earth is so vast and beautiful but I wonder what happened next after the Return of the King.
Aragorn levied heavy taxes on the orcs..
Guys, any ideas why the statues are equipped with stone axes and not swords? -- Another original topic to choose from and well presented, Karl 🖖🏼
Around the middle of the video you used Warcraft music. Not a complaint, it fit well. But i dont think you should mix fantasy universe music too much lol
There is a very large statue of a woman wielding a sword and beckoning others to follow her into battle. I think it represents Mother Russia and stands on Mamayev Kurgan in Volgograd (aka Stalingrad). It certainly evokes an emotional response just like the Argonath. I was moved by it, and I am not Russian. If the Argonath were real, it would be just as moving.
Those statues made me dream
As far as kingly riverside stone monuments in middle earth are concerned, I'm not sure the Argonath makes my top 10.
I would think that they were well cared for as long as the line of kings remained strong after Aragorn reclaimed the throne. Time and weathering would eventually were them down.
Wasn't it Anarion who took over the Arnor and Isildur the Gonndor? at least that's what is seem to remember from eiter Silmarillion or Untold Tales (been some time since i last read them...). But i definitely don't remember them being co-regents or something to that effect...
Anarion and his descendants would rule in Gondor, Isildurs descendants would claim Kingship of Arnor
3:05 is this minecraft recreation of Middle Earth I'm looking at?!
What music is used in this video?
im looking for the song at 3:03
3:30 what is the background music played here called??? PLEASE
Sounds like something from the Warlords of Draenor soundtrack
Did you find it? I checked WoD soundtrack and didnt find it there. I really wish youtubers would credit music
I wish we could see the glory of Gondor on film! But I dare not ask for it now as it would be soaked in wokeness.
Hold it, did the Gondorians build the Hornburg?
yes they did, Rohan was once the province of Calenardhon which made up the northern territories ruled by the Kingdom of Gondor
You should use screenshots from Ardacraft
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How big where they tho
They're permanently stuck doing Tai Chi
Jathon and the Argonath
Can you tell me if orcs are immortal?
The only thing that bothers me is BOTH of their left arms are out so it's not symmetrical what so ever. Small and meaningless complaint I know but I can't shake it.
They look like Hail statues
Bruh u read my mind
Does that mean the Valley of End is a ripoff of Argonath?
3:02 I spy Minecraft.
Love the warhammer music
Why was it built? Because they could
We do what we must because we can, for the good of all of us -- except the ones who are dead.
Naruto straight up ripped off the argonath
Numenor built the Argonath, not gondor
In short - Why not?! XD
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Argonath ia Argonauts.....
yeah the movie scene was lit
So they didn't treat Isildur as a traitor after he didn't destroy the ring? Also even we as the viewer feel chilling when we first show those statues.
It was Isildur's to keep as he cut it from Sauron's hand. Cirdan and Elrond had no jurisdiction over the King of Arnor.
@@MountainFisher And I get the impression that it was just a suggestion by the Elves to destroy the One Ring in the books. The movies made it seem more sinister that Isildur kept the Ring.
@@Paulafan5 It was more than a suggestion, Cirdan (the oldest elf in Middle Earth btw) and Elrond implored Isildur to throw it into the Cracks of Doom near at hand, but Isildur said he was going to keep it as a weregild for his father and brother who died in the war.
Elrond said at the Council of Elrond that when Isildur was killed it was better than maybe what else would have happened to him. If Isildur had kept the Ring he would have become a wraith himself is what Elrond meant.
@@MountainFisher I read somewhere that the scene inside mt doom never happen and also even then no one knew what the ring was exactly so that why they weren't so eager to destroy it. Is that true?
@@JohnnyWalkerKat No, they killed Sauron's body on the slopes of mount Doom, Cirdan and Elrond were the only ones left besides Isildur. Isildur's father lay dead there along with the High King Gil Galad and Anarion had already died earlier in the battle. Cirdan and Elrond begged Isildur to throw the ring into the fires "near at hand". This story can be found in the Appendix at the end of The Return Of The King book, plus I'm not sure where, but parts of it are in the Silmarillion.
Isildur also left an account of his last struggle in Minas Tirith where he copies down the fire writing on the ring. Gandalf read that account and went to the Shire and threw the Ring into Frodo's fire.
wod music? ugh