There were stories that after the Peter Jackson films came out some tourists who would visit New Zealand would ask where they could see the huge river statues.
@@gm2407I bet it could probably be a primary reason to visit New Zealand, but there’s so much to see there from the movies. I want to go see the shire sooooo bad
I remember reading about Frodo cowering in sight of them as the fellowship past beneath them. Aragorn assuring Frodo nothing to fear. But the Argonath must have been very imposing to look upon I'm sure. Very fascinating Yoystan thank you.
I always thought them one of the most wondrous man-made structures in Middle Earth, perhaps even glorious. I can only imagine evil cowering before such great figures. But perhaps Frodo’s intimidation is well placed, being a young man himself no taller than a child.
@teleportedbreadfor3days The lowly hobbit, absent desire of greatness. Acting as shield for the ring, the ring cause fright in frodo as the ring recognises the presence about it. While forshadowing frodo will fail.
Argonath - one of my favorite scenes in both movie and book. In movie Argonath are statues of Isildur and Elendil, in book they are Isildur and Anárion. I'm glad to know more about them.
The Pillars of the Kings are just one of many examples that the greatest dream for the future lies in the lessons of the past, and while greatness always fades, it will be never forgotten leaving a memory to aspire to.
That was so good I had a tear brother!! No BS you said it like a poem and you have a gift with words!! Not making fun at all! Good and beautiful comments are a lost art!!
@@apdarkness3027 you did exactly that!!!! I have lived at a amazing life and the biggest thing I see makes the most difference in this world and the only reason I'm still here is just acts of kindness that weren't expected or needed! Again thank you for just being kind it does catch up with you in a good way sometimes I promise!!! Take care friend!
I love the Argonath. These kinds of immense and grand monuments really give a sense of the majesty and glory of the old kingdoms, because, in the time of the Third Age, it would seem an impossible feat to build them. Changes aside, Jackson did an amazing job of conveying their size and imperiousness through the cinematography he used to introduce them.
I like to think that once he became king, Aragorn sent a party of craftsmen and their families to build a community and live near the Argonath with the task being to work on them, clean and repair them so over time they would shine as they did in the second (or maybe third) age when they were built.
"Long have I desired to look upon the kings of old." Ok I gotta know how these massive structures were built Not only carving these massive statues over long years but the logistics! The location doesn't look like it would b easy by any means. But they always remind of history, remnants of what used to b.
The Numenoreans of the Second and Third Ages were more capable architects in some aspects than we are today, in 2022 Seventh Age. They built Orthanc and the outer walls of Minas Tirith out of basically indestructible stone, for example.
I thought about it when you said what your opinion was about what they represented and I always thought in my head it was a warning to not mess with the beauty splendor and goodness of Gondor!!! A warning to evil that great power lies beyond here and we will fight to keep it with tremendous will ,power and all the valor we can muster!!! Darkness and evil have no place here!! This is just what it said to me in my head but I bow to yours because it makes more sense and it's you the master of all things middle Earth!!! Loved the video! You bring joy to me and others where there is only the absence of it! The best compliment I can give you is I think Tolkien would be proud! You have a very Tolkienian way of speach presentation of these videos! Number 1 on all Middle Earth
If one looks closely you can see the quarry cuts in the bank behind the foot of Isildur just as the fellowship passes between the Argonath. I always thought that was a brilliant addition by the razor sharp folks at Weta Digital to secure the illusion of scale. After watching the LOTR films several times I finally watched the BTS content included on the Blu-ray, only to discover they put far more thought than I ever anticipated into their nearly 3 meter models of the Argonath. The folks at Weta are simply brilliant, so you can hear them explain their very own work here, the Argonath are discussed at 10:30 but the entire 17 min clip is worth watching: ruclips.net/video/uwicllZtJTQ/видео.html I had no idea the models for Lothlorien were over 3 stories high?! Nor did I realize that the model of Orthanc is nearly 10 meters high? Even after 2 decades, those shots are still some of the best visual I’ve ever seen in a film. Peter Jackson and his talented crew achieved their goals, as these films appear as timeless as ever. The 4K releases, where Jackson corrected some color timing issues he recognized while remastering all 3 films, look absolutely stunning. Unlike George Lucas and his dabbling with the “Special Edition” releases of Star Wars, the improvements Jackson made are subtle and _improve_ the look of the films without changing them. The technical improvements Jackson focus almost entirely on presenting the films accurately on 10-bit HDR panels used in 4K displays. The films look incredible in 4K.
This was great! The first time I watched the first LotR movie in the theater was on a date with someone who had no experience with Tolkien. She loved the Argonoth and wanted to visit. As I tried to explain that this was not real, she was convinced I was wrong given what a fantastic job Peter Jackson and Weta did on these amazing statues.
I've been waiting for a video on these! I always wanted to know more since I first saw them in the movies. I have'nt read everything yet cause I just haven't had the time to re read now that I"m an adult.
The whole feeling that this statues and the ruins in Arnor and Moria give is something few fantesies have been able to recreate. They really are a wonder of world building. Thanks, grat video!
look closer at 3:48, Isildur is actually holding the top of a axe, you can also make out picture of it when they row the boat closer at the feet in the movie
Hello, English is my second language and so I was wondering if you had ever considered adding English subtitles to your videos? It is sometimes difficult for me (and others, maybe?) to understand some words, especially Middle-Earth names, places and other specifics.
Sadly, in year 1978 of the Fifth Age, the Pillars of the Kings were demolished by Anduin & District Council to make way for an Ikea Superstore and car park
As I remember, the Argonath described in the book, one was bearded and one was clean shaven. At least Jackson got that part right. They still held a power because if I recall right, Aragorn had to tell Frodo and Sam not to be afraid because they both felt trepidation when they went between the great figures. Just another example of what an amazing writer Tolkien was.
I don’t remember any other mention of giant statues in Tolkien works. Towers, fortresses, walled cities, sure. But no big statues. The guardians of Cirith Ungol do not qualify, I believe.
Sindarin is a very beautiful language. He could afford to create it as pretty as he wanted. Quenya is more vocalic, I think. And Khuzdul is strong, rude, as the works of the dwarves.
Was there any mention on how they were built or how tall? That would be interesting. I imagine they were carved from the cliffs primarily and not towering above them as they are enormous.
I love your channel, could you do one where Morgoth escapes and the Valar fail to defeat him…maybe Eru wants to keep middle earth without recreating and personally steps in.
Yes. LOTR needs to open up to the Multiverse so that Eru can join the Marvel superheroes & the NCC-1701-D Enterprise to defeat Morgoth and his forces… who have unfortunately gained the help of Thanos, Darth Sidius, Q, and Krull with intentions to rule the entire Multiverse as a “Dark Quadrumvirate” …There will be a particularly funny segment where Treebeard & Groot use Star Trek stunning lasers to blast through a company of Uruk Hai… while Gandalf, Riker, & Thor make a sprint for the throne room.
I love the little detail in the movie that they quarried the mountain to harvest the stone blocks for the statues instead of my making them concrete like or of just one solid piece of rock...
Man these were very beautifil statues, (I am a sucker for art, and do anything with Art...It is my Major) and the fact they changed them from Book to Movie is interesting because of, Rings Of Power are doing things!!! Thanks for a video remembering the good in history...Until the Opposite, Ar Pharazon ECH (Awesome Segway Marion) *High Five Myself* (Another thing in ROP to Note) Marion Baggins Out!!! Just wondering Matt (NOTR) is doing Elendil the Day Before you do Ar Phazazon, are you guys doing Last videos in Preparing for ROP?!!!
Would you be able to do a video on Gollum tracking the Fellowship from Moria down the Anduin river? There seem to be a couple of holes along that path that are difficult to explain. Gollum picked up their trail in Moria, and followed them to the Chamber of Mazarbul. Then, Gollum was following them from Moria into Lothlorien. What happened in-between was eventful in a way that would have made it hard for Gollum to follow. Then, leaving Lothlorien on boats, Gollum somehow was able to pick them up yet again. After that, all he needed was stealth to stay on Frodo's trail, and Gollum was good at stealth.
Gollum was good in caves, I believe he would be ok running from orcs in Moria. And they rested for a long while in Lothlorien. Gollum coul have gone down the Anduin (around the magical fence of Lorien) and see them in the boats. After that, it is easy to suspect they will be stuck in the Rauros, and catch up to them there.
"wherever you are in middle-earth, well - I am stuck in the black dungeons of Barad-Dur! The wifi is terrible - need a rescue party ASAP. P.S. - I can be located at the lower levels of the dungeons - ten floors down, to be exact.
I must say I am confused by Aragorn's words in the Fellowship of the Ring "Fear not!" he said. "Long have I desired to look upon the likenesses of Isildur and Anárion, my sires of old. Under their shadow Elessar, the Elfstone son of Arathorn of the house of Valandil Isildur's son, heir of Elendil, has nought to dread!" As Aragorn at this time has already fought for both King Thengel of Rohan and Gondor's Steward Ecthelion, it would be assumed he would have seen the Argonath at some point. Also as Aragorn too Gollum through the north end of Emyn Muil and crossed the Anduin just above Sarn Gebir that would be another time he was at the Argonath just before the the events of the Fellowship of the Ring.
I love the LOTR books, not as big a fan of the movies, but it was a great moment in the films when the Fellowship passed under the mighty kings of old.
Could you do a video to help explain people places & things of The Rings Of Power? Introduction if you will. I’ve seen the movies quite a few times each but it doesn’t compare to the source material. I know a lot of others would really benefit. Thanks
I think there's something to be said for the idea that Tolkien, who was intimately familiar with many ancient and medieval texts, intended the published Lord of the Rings and the Silmarillion (Akalabeth?) in its near-finalized to include small inconsistencies or contradictions and leave the reader to assess which version, if either, is "correct".
when I first read LOTR, a good 20 years before the movies came out, I found myself picturing a very different statuary. not so protruding, More like gothic statuary on Chartres Cathedral (western portal) with arms closer to the body. Hence the description as "pillars" being more accurate, and natural weathering far less likely to degrade them. Massive statues as represented in the movie would have very likely lost the outstretched arms after millennia in a damp climate vs desert... Hard to explain but this bothered me more than removal of Tom Bombadil or exchange of Arwen for Glorfindel at Bruinen...
The construction of the ancient grand locations are the most unbelievable in his writings. The labor and resources don't fit the story or the direction of the society. It's implied they were gifted and knowledgeable. Yet that dosnt build anything. The tradesman required would be focused and younger people learning. The stories have the same people building , fighting, founding unsustainable society's. Having retired from 30+ years of construction I see this and I see a professor who knew a different view on how things get built.
Actually in the film, "Anarion" looks like his hand is on an axe. If you look closely, you can see the top of it. Not weilding it but set his hand just upon it. But I do the prefer the book description, not the film
everyone should watch the LotR movies from the early 2000's the day RoP comes out. interesting thought, if anyone has the means to rent out or to get a local theater to have a showing of those movies on that day. :D
Can't help, those outstretched arms would not be stable and break under their own weight. I Imagine a much more compact satue, more like the gigantic statues of e.g. Ramesses II.
If the outstretched arm had been 'draped' with a cloak or cape as in at least one of those artists' renderings, I think perhaps the stone could have borne it... but then again, the properties of much of the stone work of the descendants of Numenor had little relation to what stone can actually do
Hence the wonder. Pretty much any powerful civilization can carve an image from an existing cliff, as long as it resembles between a pillar and a pyramid.
I can see a rebuilding of the Argonath years later, with Aragorn and Boromir, representing the King who will never let the White City fall nor its people fail and the Knight who would have followed his Brother, Captain, and King respectively. Aragorn would have his sword Anduril while Boromir would have his Shield. These are my thoughts. Please do not take them the wrong way
@@BrianMarrino236 I meant that even ancient civilizations on Earth have redone structures of magnificence. I believe it was originally a jackal-god (Anubis?) and they swapped it for a pharaoh's face afterwards.
“Upon great pedestals founded in the deep waters…” this seems to indicate most artistic representations including Jackson’s are wrong - though I like the idea of them being carved into the cliffs, the text says they were on pedestals founded in deep waters - if this is to be taken literally, then they would not be connected to the adjacent cliffs, but free-standing on man-made pedestals. That’s my read anyway.
So if these were built during the first half of the Third Age where did the craftsmen come from. Nine ships escaped the destruction of Numenor. I seem to remember from Unfinished Tales that these ships were much larger than the average European sailing ship but surely The Faithful couldn't have carried +10,000 souls to Middle Earth? Plus I have always assumed that many skills were lost at the downfall. Those statues must be over 100m high. When you consider how long the US Presidents took to carve just heads with modern tools it becomes very daunting.
When you look at these ancient Middle Earth constructions, and remembering the time when Tolkien lived, isn't it possible that he was inspired by the things that we, today, call 'neo-classical' constructions? Perhaps Tolkien was send the message that modern people had INHERITED the 'neo-classical' from some older civilization?
The depictions of these statues and the physical impossibilities of out-thrust hand/arms are annoying to me. Unless they were formed and held up by pure magic, those arms would have wound up in the river during construction. Thanks for this, you never run out of new LOTR content, and I always learn something.
Maybe they have an internal support? They look like stone, but are really reinforced concrete? Or it's held up by Art, like the cup in the statue of Arthur Dent. Orthanc also has strange properties: stone not behaving like stone.
I think it is reasonable to assume magic of some kind was involved; the Númenoreans were quite advanced. I also wonder if the physical laws of the world within the Legendarium might have some differences than those in our world.
I would disagree that it's right to honor men of the past. The past was a time of inequality , ignorance and oppression, and the people considered great then were always violent fools. We must look forward to the future, where we can use the things we have learned starting in 1917, about what it means to be human, to create a more fair and environmentally sustainable society. One where I am in charge.
These gigantic monuments of men to men have, to me, a disturbing feel of grandiosity, i.e. pompous superiority and pretentiousness. The great kings of Gondor had faults enough, had they been aware of them, to teach themselves humility instead.
There were stories that after the Peter Jackson films came out some tourists who would visit New Zealand would ask where they could see the huge river statues.
Ha ha! Aw, can you blame them?
Wonder if someone costed the idea of building some for tourists to visit.
@@gm2407I bet it could probably be a primary reason to visit New Zealand, but there’s so much to see there from the movies.
I want to go see the shire sooooo bad
They should sculpt them then
I remember reading about Frodo cowering in sight of them as the fellowship past beneath them. Aragorn assuring Frodo nothing to fear. But the Argonath must have been very imposing to look upon I'm sure. Very fascinating Yoystan thank you.
I always thought them one of the most wondrous man-made structures in Middle Earth, perhaps even glorious. I can only imagine evil cowering before such great figures. But perhaps Frodo’s intimidation is well placed, being a young man himself no taller than a child.
@@teleportedbreadfor3days Agreed 👍
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The lowly hobbit, absent desire of greatness. Acting as shield for the ring, the ring cause fright in frodo as the ring recognises the presence about it.
While forshadowing frodo will fail.
Argonath - one of my favorite scenes in both movie and book.
In movie Argonath are statues of Isildur and Elendil, in book they are Isildur and Anárion.
I'm glad to know more about them.
The Pillars of the Kings are just one of many examples that the greatest dream for the future lies in the lessons of the past, and while greatness always fades, it will be never forgotten leaving a memory to aspire to.
That was so good I had a tear brother!! No BS you said it like a poem and you have a gift with words!! Not making fun at all! Good and beautiful comments are a lost art!!
@@BJETNT Some say one word can change someone's entire day for the better or the worse. I’m pleased you found enjoyment with these words on this day.
@@apdarkness3027 you did exactly that!!!! I have lived at a amazing life and the biggest thing I see makes the most difference in this world and the only reason I'm still here is just acts of kindness that weren't expected or needed! Again thank you for just being kind it does catch up with you in a good way sometimes I promise!!! Take care friend!
@@BJETNT Fare Thee Well.
Respect for the old ways of communication--there was such poetry and grace within it. 🙏
I love the Argonath. These kinds of immense and grand monuments really give a sense of the majesty and glory of the old kingdoms, because, in the time of the Third Age, it would seem an impossible feat to build them. Changes aside, Jackson did an amazing job of conveying their size and imperiousness through the cinematography he used to introduce them.
I like to think that once he became king, Aragorn sent a party of craftsmen and their families to build a community and live near the Argonath with the task being to work on them, clean and repair them so over time they would shine as they did in the second (or maybe third) age when they were built.
Well first he had to rebuild the white city and osgiliath with Gimlis help.
You must have been reading my mind because I looked these up just two days ago trying to learn about them. Thank you kind sir!
Double coverage in one vid excellent video Yoystan
"Long have I desired to look upon the kings of old."
Ok I gotta know how these massive structures were built
Not only carving these massive statues over long years but the logistics! The location doesn't look like it would b easy by any means.
But they always remind of history, remnants of what used to b.
Probably had some help from the dwarven stone smiths. Lol
The Numenoreans of the Second and Third Ages were more capable architects in some aspects than we are today, in 2022 Seventh Age. They built Orthanc and the outer walls of Minas Tirith out of basically indestructible stone, for example.
I was wondering the same thing!
BE..it's BE..also I agree they are fantastic lol
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Can you cover the original birth place of the elves: The Bay of Cuivienen and what became of it in later ages?
According to most maps, it was on the shores if the inner sea if Helcar, which reseaded and left Mordor.
I thought about it when you said what your opinion was about what they represented and I always thought in my head it was a warning to not mess with the beauty splendor and goodness of Gondor!!! A warning to evil that great power lies beyond here and we will fight to keep it with tremendous will ,power and all the valor we can muster!!! Darkness and evil have no place here!!
This is just what it said to me in my head but I bow to yours because it makes more sense and it's you the master of all things middle Earth!!! Loved the video! You bring joy to me and others where there is only the absence of it! The best compliment I can give you is I think Tolkien would be proud! You have a very Tolkienian way of speach presentation of these videos! Number 1 on all Middle Earth
If one looks closely you can see the quarry cuts in the bank behind the foot of Isildur just as the fellowship passes between the Argonath. I always thought that was a brilliant addition by the razor sharp folks at Weta Digital to secure the illusion of scale.
After watching the LOTR films several times I finally watched the BTS content included on the Blu-ray, only to discover they put far more thought than I ever anticipated into their nearly 3 meter models of the Argonath. The folks at Weta are simply brilliant, so you can hear them explain their very own work here, the Argonath are discussed at 10:30 but the entire 17 min clip is worth watching: ruclips.net/video/uwicllZtJTQ/видео.html
I had no idea the models for Lothlorien were over 3 stories high?! Nor did I realize that the model of Orthanc is nearly 10 meters high? Even after 2 decades, those shots are still some of the best visual I’ve ever seen in a film. Peter Jackson and his talented crew achieved their goals, as these films appear as timeless as ever. The 4K releases, where Jackson corrected some color timing issues he recognized while remastering all 3 films, look absolutely stunning. Unlike George Lucas and his dabbling with the “Special Edition” releases of Star Wars, the improvements Jackson made are subtle and _improve_ the look of the films without changing them. The technical improvements Jackson focus almost entirely on presenting the films accurately on 10-bit HDR panels used in 4K displays. The films look incredible in 4K.
The Argonath is easily one of my favorite landmarks in Tolkien’s world. Possibly the one I’d most love to see in real life. Great video.
This was great! The first time I watched the first LotR movie in the theater was on a date with someone who had no experience with Tolkien. She loved the Argonoth and wanted to visit. As I tried to explain that this was not real, she was convinced I was wrong given what a fantastic job Peter Jackson and Weta did on these amazing statues.
Another excellent job, Yoystan! Can you do a video on Huan?
I've been waiting for a video on these! I always wanted to know more since I first saw them in the movies. I have'nt read everything yet cause I just haven't had the time to re read now that I"m an adult.
This is probably the 20th video I have watched tonight. It’s like a movie. Great video again!
And now, I have the phrase, "Jason and the Argonath" running through my head, and I can't make it stop.....
My brother got the bookend statues with his extended edition lbsck when they first came out. Awesome little replicas
The whole feeling that this statues and the ruins in Arnor and Moria give is something few fantesies have been able to recreate. They really are a wonder of world building. Thanks, grat video!
love these statues and always wanted to know how, why and who built them when I was a kid watching the movies
Wonderful video as always. I didn't read any LOTR before I saw Fellowship. The Argonath were, and still are, breathtaking to behold.
look closer at 3:48, Isildur is actually holding the top of a axe, you can also make out picture of it when they row the boat closer at the feet in the movie
Hello, English is my second language and so I was wondering if you had ever considered adding English subtitles to your videos? It is sometimes difficult for me (and others, maybe?) to understand some words, especially Middle-Earth names, places and other specifics.
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@@frogspawn11 Ya but they suck
Sadly, in year 1978 of the Fifth Age, the Pillars of the Kings were demolished by Anduin & District Council to make way for an Ikea Superstore and car park
Hohoho, I reckon I might be able to hazzard a guess as to where you live.....LA (LittleAmpton😂).
Very good, thank you.
As I remember, the Argonath described in the book, one was bearded and one was clean shaven. At least Jackson got that part right. They still held a power because if I recall right, Aragorn had to tell Frodo and Sam not to be afraid because they both felt trepidation when they went between the great figures. Just another example of what an amazing writer Tolkien was.
I wondered if they should be bearded. I thought that most of the line of Aragon were not bearded due to the elven ancestry in their bloodline.
To me, the Argonath are the most iconic sculpture in Middle-Earth.
I don’t remember any other mention of giant statues in Tolkien works. Towers, fortresses, walled cities, sure. But no big statues. The guardians of Cirith Ungol do not qualify, I believe.
In the Fouth Age, the Amon Hen, Amon Lhaw would be an outpost and then a trading port for goods moving on the river.
Tolkien place names are the most fun to say.... Argonath, Nargothrond, Caras Galadhon etc
Sindarin is a very beautiful language. He could afford to create it as pretty as he wanted. Quenya is more vocalic, I think. And Khuzdul is strong, rude, as the works of the dwarves.
Was there any mention on how they were built or how tall? That would be interesting. I imagine they were carved from the cliffs primarily and not towering above them as they are enormous.
I love your channel, could you do one where Morgoth escapes and the Valar fail to defeat him…maybe Eru wants to keep middle earth without recreating and personally steps in.
This would be awesome. I’d love to see what happens when Eru decides to invoke himself in Arda personally
Yes. LOTR needs to open up to the Multiverse so that Eru can join the Marvel superheroes & the NCC-1701-D Enterprise to defeat Morgoth and his forces… who have unfortunately gained the help of Thanos, Darth Sidius, Q, and Krull with intentions to rule the entire Multiverse as a “Dark Quadrumvirate”
…There will be a particularly funny segment where Treebeard & Groot use Star Trek stunning lasers to blast through a company of Uruk Hai… while Gandalf, Riker, & Thor make a sprint for the throne room.
@@LeonSKennedy7777 Blasphemy!! Lol
I have a pic of the Argonath as my lockscreen. A fitting reminder of those unwelcome to access my phone. Lol!
I love the little detail in the movie that they quarried the mountain to harvest the stone blocks for the statues instead of my making them concrete like or of just one solid piece of rock...
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Jesse!! We must travel down the Adnuin!!
Yo Mr. White!! I don’t know mann! Anduin is open to enemy eyes on both sides of the river yo!!
Had these as bookends for awhile
Love the video!!!
I agree, i’ve always thought that during the fourth age the people of Gondor got them looking shipshape again.
Thanks fine subject
Interesting! Do you think you might do a theory video on if Numenor had never fallen to darkness and remained loyal to the Valar?
Man these were very beautifil statues, (I am a sucker for art, and do anything with Art...It is my Major) and the fact they changed them from Book to Movie is interesting because of, Rings Of Power are doing things!!!
Thanks for a video remembering the good in history...Until the Opposite, Ar Pharazon ECH (Awesome Segway Marion) *High Five Myself* (Another thing in ROP to Note) Marion Baggins Out!!!
Just wondering Matt (NOTR) is doing Elendil the Day Before you do Ar Phazazon, are you guys doing Last videos in Preparing for ROP?!!!
I loved the Argonath from the Movies.
Would you be able to do a video on Gollum tracking the Fellowship from Moria down the Anduin river? There seem to be a couple of holes along that path that are difficult to explain. Gollum picked up their trail in Moria, and followed them to the Chamber of Mazarbul. Then, Gollum was following them from Moria into Lothlorien. What happened in-between was eventful in a way that would have made it hard for Gollum to follow. Then, leaving Lothlorien on boats, Gollum somehow was able to pick them up yet again. After that, all he needed was stealth to stay on Frodo's trail, and Gollum was good at stealth.
Gollum was good in caves, I believe he would be ok running from orcs in Moria. And they rested for a long while in Lothlorien. Gollum coul have gone down the Anduin (around the magical fence of Lorien) and see them in the boats. After that, it is easy to suspect they will be stuck in the Rauros, and catch up to them there.
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P.S. - I can be located at the lower levels of the dungeons - ten floors down, to be exact.
On my way with the boys.
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I must say I am confused by Aragorn's words in the Fellowship of the Ring "Fear not!" he said. "Long have I desired to look upon the likenesses of Isildur and Anárion, my sires of old. Under their shadow Elessar, the Elfstone son of Arathorn of the house of Valandil Isildur's son, heir of Elendil, has nought to dread!"
As Aragorn at this time has already fought for both King Thengel of Rohan and Gondor's Steward Ecthelion, it would be assumed he would have seen the Argonath at some point.
Also as Aragorn too Gollum through the north end of Emyn Muil and crossed the Anduin just above Sarn Gebir that would be another time he was at the Argonath just before the the events of the Fellowship of the Ring.
I love the LOTR books, not as big a fan of the movies, but it was a great moment in the films when the Fellowship passed under the mighty kings of old.
Love the Lore.
Very much a reference to sainthood in the Catholic Church, as Tolkein would have been quite aware
This is the way!
In the appendices it states quite clearly when they were built and by whom.
I love this part in the movies
Could you do a video to help explain people places & things of The Rings Of Power? Introduction if you will. I’ve seen the movies quite a few times each but it doesn’t compare to the source material. I know a lot of others would really benefit. Thanks
Especially the places & kingdoms 😄
Can you cover dreams in middle earth? Especially dreams of mortals.
They make great bookends
I think there's something to be said for the idea that Tolkien, who was intimately familiar with many ancient and medieval texts, intended the published Lord of the Rings and the Silmarillion (Akalabeth?) in its near-finalized to include small inconsistencies or contradictions and leave the reader to assess which version, if either, is "correct".
i thought it was a site for an ancient battle ground where two kings fought it out with powerful kingjutsu
in the screenshot from the film, it clearly looks like the statue of Isildur is holding an axe right at the head, not the cliff.
I like to think that Lady Liberty cannot match the argonath in Beauty power and Wonder
Lady Liberty is a hollow structure with external “skin”. Not many big, solid rock statues in our world. Not sure if Gengis Khan’s is solid. Will check
when I first read LOTR, a good 20 years before the movies came out, I found myself picturing a very different statuary. not so protruding, More like gothic statuary on Chartres Cathedral (western portal) with arms closer to the body. Hence the description as "pillars" being more accurate, and natural weathering far less likely to degrade them. Massive statues as represented in the movie would have very likely lost the outstretched arms after millennia in a damp climate vs desert... Hard to explain but this bothered me more than removal of Tom Bombadil or exchange of Arwen for Glorfindel at Bruinen...
The construction of the ancient grand locations are the most unbelievable in his writings. The labor and resources don't fit the story or the direction of the society. It's implied they were gifted and knowledgeable.
Yet that dosnt build anything. The tradesman required would be focused and younger people learning. The stories have the same people building , fighting, founding unsustainable society's.
Having retired from 30+ years of construction I see this and I see a professor who knew a different view on how things get built.
Always seemed to me that you’d be leaving Gondor’s area of control by going upstream, between the argonaths?
Do you know if argonoth influenced the valley of the end from naruto? I’ve always seen them as extremely similar lore wise and positionally
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Actually in the film, "Anarion" looks like his hand is on an axe. If you look closely, you can see the top of it. Not weilding it but set his hand just upon it.
But I do the prefer the book description, not the film
everyone should watch the LotR movies from the early 2000's the day RoP comes out. interesting thought, if anyone has the means to rent out or to get a local theater to have a showing of those movies on that day. :D
I always refer to these guys as The Supremes.
That looks like an axe under the right hand of the "left" statue in the Peter Jackson version. Not just resting on the cliff.
Got a question.. do men who died in Tolkien go to the hall of mandos?
For a short while they do, before going beyond the Circles of the World.
Can't help, those outstretched arms would not be stable and break under their own weight. I Imagine a much more compact satue, more like the gigantic statues of e.g. Ramesses II.
If the outstretched arm had been 'draped' with a cloak or cape as in at least one of those artists' renderings, I think perhaps the stone could have borne it... but then again, the properties of much of the stone work of the descendants of Numenor had little relation to what stone can actually do
@@RangerMelB Ok, some ragnarok-proof magic is allowed.
Hence the wonder. Pretty much any powerful civilization can carve an image from an existing cliff, as long as it resembles between a pillar and a pyramid.
3:48 he is holding an axe. Not just the cliff beside him
I love aragorn's heritage the kings of old elendil King theoden King elessar
I can see a rebuilding of the Argonath years later, with Aragorn and Boromir, representing the King who will never let the White City fall nor its people fail and the Knight who would have followed his Brother, Captain, and King respectively. Aragorn would have his sword Anduril while Boromir would have his Shield. These are my thoughts. Please do not take them the wrong way
Supposedly the Sphinx was redone at least once.
@@brianmiller1077 What do you mean? I hope I didn't insult Tolkien and you fans with my thoughts. I just, saw it in a glimpse in my own head
@@BrianMarrino236 I meant that even ancient civilizations on Earth have redone structures of magnificence. I believe it was originally a jackal-god (Anubis?) and they swapped it for a pharaoh's face afterwards.
@@brianmiller1077 ok
“Upon great pedestals founded in the deep waters…” this seems to indicate most artistic representations including Jackson’s are wrong - though I like the idea of them being carved into the cliffs, the text says they were on pedestals founded in deep waters - if this is to be taken literally, then they would not be connected to the adjacent cliffs, but free-standing on man-made pedestals. That’s my read anyway.
So if these were built during the first half of the Third Age where did the craftsmen come from. Nine ships escaped the destruction of Numenor. I seem to remember from Unfinished Tales that these ships were much larger than the average European sailing ship but surely The Faithful couldn't have carried +10,000 souls to Middle Earth?
Plus I have always assumed that many skills were lost at the downfall.
Those statues must be over 100m high. When you consider how long the US Presidents took to carve just heads with modern tools it becomes very daunting.
My man i have idea for theroy. What if Moria didn't fell?
I don’t say this lightly. What if Frodo dominated the ring? What if he had the will “for the shire”? No one thinks about it. I do, lol.
I hadn't considered that before. I suppose you may be right.
Based on what I have read, very few beings had the capability of doing that and Frodo was not one of them.
@@istari0 I suppose he was never considered to be powerful enough to master the ring.
I think that Frodo the real power was to not do what the ring wanted.
Are they in some way related to the Argonauts?
When you look at these ancient Middle Earth constructions, and remembering the time when Tolkien lived, isn't it possible that he was inspired by the things that we, today, call 'neo-classical' constructions? Perhaps Tolkien was send the message that modern people had INHERITED the 'neo-classical' from some older civilization?
I don't understand why PJ needed to changed so many things, like those statues :/
Almost all references of Anarion were cut from the films.
What if Shelob claimed the one ring after slaying both frodo and samwise.
The depictions of these statues and the physical impossibilities of out-thrust hand/arms are annoying to me. Unless they were formed and held up by pure magic, those arms would have wound up in the river during construction. Thanks for this, you never run out of new LOTR content, and I always learn something.
Thank you so much! This is a really interesting point, one I had not considered.
@@MenoftheWest if not during construction then very soon thereafter, but I had not considered the magic possibility
Maybe they have an internal support? They look like stone, but are really reinforced concrete? Or it's held up by Art, like the cup in the statue of Arthur Dent.
Orthanc also has strange properties: stone not behaving like stone.
I think it is reasonable to assume magic of some kind was involved; the Númenoreans were quite advanced. I also wonder if the physical laws of the world within the Legendarium might have some differences than those in our world.
my father said when we watched the fellowship that slaves had helped built the Argonath!
Maybe there lS hope for the West.
I would disagree that it's right to honor men of the past. The past was a time of inequality , ignorance and oppression, and the people considered great then were always violent fools. We must look forward to the future, where we can use the things we have learned starting in 1917, about what it means to be human, to create a more fair and environmentally sustainable society. One where I am in charge.
These gigantic monuments of men to men have, to me, a disturbing feel of grandiosity, i.e. pompous superiority and pretentiousness. The great kings of Gondor had faults enough, had they been aware of them, to teach themselves humility instead.
You could talk slower…