Definitely like that that idea. there are some videos (I forget where) that have some of the most flawless speed runs and at the end mentions they've all been beat a couple months later
Sorry guys for the #2 on this list, I didn't realize that the game wasn't that hard nor that it wasn't a real speedrun because I'm not as familiar with rythm games. If you're wondering what game I would replace with it, it would either be an older FPS like Quake or Doom or Super Mario Bros. EDIT: Oh, but the rest of the list is still accurate IMO.
yeah #2 was iffy but it was a fun exhibition at the GDQ regardless. It's nice to see rhythm games get some love since it's a really niche hobby (The most popular international IIDX discord only has like 20 active members at any one time). Also to shamelessly plugin rhythm games, if you enjoyed the run at GDQ you should the various top level plays of various rhythm games. (Dustforce is my favorite speedgame on that list)
Issue wasn't difficulty. It was just simply because it wasn't a speedrun. I'm only seeing osu! fans trying to belittle it because it's not their game osu!mania (which I wouldn't agree on showcasing because a lot of examples they've shown have really awful charts that wouldn't be fun to watch as a showcase anyways).
I agree with most of these, i think another one that could either be an honorable mention or on the list should be f zero gx which is literal insanity. Probably right around oot. Good vid
I was watching that stream for the tetris run, that was my first experience with speedrunning culture. It was so impressive that I started checking out more speedrun stuff, so seeing that video for the #1 makes me feel special in a sort of second-hand way.
Dustforce truly is a work of art. I don't mean that lightly. The way it's animated plus its music gives it that title in my book. I can find myself playing one level for an hour, maybe even hours at a time. The frustration of losing levels is filled with relaxation and calmness because of the ambient music. The way the levels are crafted is truly mindblowing. They had a system in which you had to perfect a level to earn a key, and you would use that key to earn more levels. In layman's terms, to earn more levels, you had to perfect current levels. They ditched that and added an XP system in which you gain more XP to earn a key the more levels you play and perfect. I'm very glad they added this system and was skeptical about buying it. But now that I did buy it, I do not regret it even for a second. One thing I really love about this game is how you don't have to unlock base levels. In a sense, this game is open world. That sense is that many levels are available to you, and you can choose whether you want to advance into more challenging levels, or stay where you're at. To get an S in completion, you have to sweep up EVERY leaf, and to get an S in Finesse, you have to maintain your combo throughout an entire level. Another thing I absolutely enjoy about Dustforce is its expasive community. There are lots of Community Workshop maps for you to sharpen your skills on, and lots of people who can set a good example. I'm sure most of the people who get best times on all the levels have a RUclips channel, so you can probably catch them there. The community may or not be active, but it sure is good and friendly. Overall, in terms of gameplay, music, artstyle, animation, and difficulty (it's not an easy game, but it's not that hard of a game either. It just depends on how much you want to play it), I rate this game: 10/10 BUY THIS GAME.
Honestly EZScape , this stuff you're compiling is crazy. When I think of me hunting down speedruns and verification and maintaining accuracy and consideration of everything and everyone involved; I find myself just stressing out. cx This is really great stuff and I really appreciate you doing this. And the way you end these videos... it's amazing. I really appreciate all of this. It's all so great. Thank you for this stuff you do. c:
I will try the following soon: Majora's Mask Three-Heart, Three-Day Run. Technically a speed run, since you need speed to beat the game in one three-day cycle.
Perfect Dark on Perfect Agent difficulty on N64? It's very hard to complete a speedrun of it without at least 1 death. Hell, I haven't even completed every mission on Perfect Agent yet, it's freaking precise. "I Wanna Kill The Kamilia 3" is another insane speedrun, but I read your comment about IWBTG fangames already.
Yes, it's among the easier games to play normally, it has typical normal difficulty for the last-gen era. It's one of the few games I finished in the very first game session, and one of few I finished at all. I still play it every couple years.
Thanks for the stepmania shoutout man! Overall great list, all these games are pretty solid picks honestly :) of course everyone mentioned stepmania isn't a speedrun so here's what i'd replace it with; I'd replace stepmania with I wanna be the guy/boshi/etc., or kaizo mario, or another game of similar nature to these.
The hardest parts of Kamilia 3 are randomly generated. I've seen people take over 200 hours to beat one 5-minute boss. It has a certain similarity, in that you are trying to very quickly read a somewhat randomized situation and improvise very precise movements. The thing that makes them really hard to compare is their length. A successful run of TGM3 takes about as long as one of K3's bosses, of which there are a dozen or so, and much like a single run of TGM3, any one of those bosses is likely to take many attempts. So, TGM3 may well be harder than any one Kamilia 3 boss, but whether or not it's harder than beating all of them in a single sitting, plus the extremely difficult platforming, is very hard to say.
I actually speedrun Monkey Ball. My main category is Monkey Ball 2 Story Mode Any% (With level skipping glitch). In order to get a good time, gameplay is only half of what needs to be good. You need to menu really fast and button mash well too. But if I were to say which is the most difficult part of the classic console Monkey Ball games, I'd say it's Super Monkey Ball Deluxe Ultimate. Playing levels from 1, 2, and some other new levels, Ultimate has 310 levels including the Monkey Ball 1 Master levels. Oh yeah, and playing on an original Xbox controller can be hard to do compared to a GameCube controller.
Almost forgot to mention that for getting a WR in Story Mode Any%, you need to be deathless. Doing 76-78 (Don't remember exactly) levels with varying difficulty in a 24 Minute time period is insane and I don't know how anyone has gotten a deathless run. I have trouble finishing a run most of the time and I'm not even that bad.
Most "Hard" Speedruns or Games need very technical things. Stepmania or "Mania" in general on the other side relies purely on your physical skills and to be good you need to train them a LOT. Bonus: The chanche to get carpaltunnel is high! (Dont't say 4k is easy before you even done some 18KPS Jumpstream^^
Chakratos I have done 18kps jumpstreams too, and I don't consider them easy, but I mean I can do 18 kps on just streams at 250~ bpm. Including jumps at speeds around 210-ish bpm raises kps to mid 20s, so I definitely know my way around the game. I still wouldn't call it easy, but I don't think its rocket science, its just physical skill and execution similar to high level speedruns. It just doesn't require the same conscious thought as speedruns. That's all I mean by 'easy'
Looking at the video again and seeing other games like Stepmania in the list like Tetris, I would want to point out the differences in that Tetris requires speed to play through as well as high skill like Stepmania to go fast, but Tetris actually has an end for their runs, and a definable route of sorts, Stepmania, despite being at a speedrun event was not a speedrun but, as said, it was only a showcase of the game and its speed.
You gotta admit that staiain is really got at it tho. He hit 40KPS in stepmania, that's 10 input per finger per second, crazy. Highest kps i ever had was 44, and that's playing 7k, nearly double the finger
Daniel Hadinata I don't think there's any discussion regarding it not being impressive, but the skill comes from speed, not difficult patterns or technicalities like most other rhythm games, as 4k is simple in concept. The only point is that it's not a speedrun, however impressive it is.
WinterWolf(Gaming) Portal is definetly way harder than Mirror's edge. Tried to run portal but I just couldn't. You can learn mirror's edge in a week but getting close to the world record will take you like a 1000 hours playtime
SSBM target tests should probably be included, considering you need the kind of tech skill top level players in the competitive scene have to even dream of getting near the world records.
+Willow Rosenberg hwhat? I haven't tried it myself but Portal was the first Speedrun game where I originally had trouble understanding what's even going on while watching. But i get it, there are many kinds of difficulty, so ranking them can be verry subjective
I'm honestly surprised you didn't include SMB1 on this list. There's multiple frame perfect tricks used in it, and it's still really hard to speedrun it even with out any of them.
Had to give the game up after the second level. I’ve never been good at first person games, but I found complex moves in Mirror’s Edge completely impossible.
This was a really well made! You didn't sound like you were bored throughout the video and adding the numbers at the corner was a nice touch. But i really have to disagree with #2. You can't really speedrun a rhythm game. Speedrunning a game pretty much means completing a game as fast as possible, no? Well you can't really do that in rhythm games since each track has a set time and the only way to change it is to use modifiers to speed up the track but faster doesn't necessarily mean better/harder. Well actually it kinda does but the amount of times the term "speedrunning a track" is used within the rhythm game community is close to zero. And even then including StepMania is quite unfair to other rhythm games out there, such as Taiko no Tatsujin, osu!, BMS, LR2, O2Jam, KSM, etc. Staiain signed up for StepMania in AGDQ and was somehow accepted. He signed up for StepMania again recently along with HappyStick who signed up for osu! and they were both declined most likely due to the games not being "speedrun-able" I suck at arguing but my main point is that a rhythm game can't be speedrunned.
Didn't expect to actually see the game I speedrun on this list because of it not being very popular. But holy shit, it's at #3!? Gotta say, I'm quite honored :D
what about things like iwbtg or iwbtb? i´v been practicing speedrunning i wanna be the guy and its seriously one of the most frustrating and resetheavy runs you can imagine.
Okay okay, but what about I Wanna Kill The Kamilia 3? /thread Also, Majora's Mask Low% is quite fucking ridiculous. You can make a lot of mistakes that just ruins the whole run.
Actually, the entire "I Wanna" fangame series could, and should, be put in one group. Every fangame uses the same physics, so if you're good at one fangame, you're basically good at another. Some fangames even homage other fangames and basically take their screens with just a few tweaks, adding traps or what else.
Johan difficulty is subjective, so it was very hard to decide on this list. I decided to pick which in my opinion was the most difficult platformer instead of just choosing platformers. If I wanted to do that I would have just made top 10 most difficult platform speedruns or something. I could have just selected game genres, too, but I decided to do that with game choice and choosing the more difficult games in that genre. Obviously even then there might be a game that's more difficult in the genre I chose, but there isn't really any way for me to know that unless I play all those games at top level, so I went based on what other people said during my research.
Spent six hours now getting drunk and watching your videos. Thank you for the entertainment. Regarding speedruns...well I don't really have any except for completing Super Metroid 100% in three hours, though that's garbage compared to the pro times. Keep making awesome videos dude!
I feel like the windwaker SD is a very underrated speed game, it has hundreds of frame perfect storage tricks and so many ways to mess up and lose minutes of time, it's so stressful and you also need to be able to zombie hover which isn't even something you can learn it's an actual skill you have to develop
I was surprised Metroid Prime didn't appear on this list. The fact you need to memorize nearly every room in the game to scan dash effectively is a huge challenge alone.
F-Zero GX on Very Hard is the most impressive speed run. 25 minutes of absolutely perfect execution, some of which relies on just a few frames of actions (F-Zero is also one of the few Gamecube games that runs at 60 fps, making it that much harder)
Even though it isnt that popular and not well known (im not mad btw) I think ridge racer would be a good number 10 spot if you want there is a channel that speedruns it called rrlsh :)
was looking at speedruns and then came to your top 10s while I play osrs, then i realized by the channel name this is an ex-osrs channel haha xD nice change tho. p.s i also love the spyro skyboxes in the outro !
I think this video is great, but I believe you may have missed the ultimate speedrun: The 602 star run; This run is a speedrun which 1 PERSON plays super mario 64, super mario sunshine, super mario galaxy, and super mario galaxy 2 consecutively. This run lasts about 21 hours.
I was going to guess #1 was going to be an F-Zero series game, not just because the regular game is not casual friendly, but because the tricks involved in speedrunning the game are unreal difficult, as they have been described in speedruns
Have you heard of I Wanna Kill the Kamilia 3? It's an extremely difficult I Wanna Be The Guy fangame that is actually speedran and is close to the limit of what humans could do
The first speedrun I witnessed was when a friend of a friend found out you could buy crash team racing on psn (ps3), bought it, and beat it in 1 go drunk af doing the drift boost the whole time
I totally agree that these games are difficult. I'm a fps speedrunner and I must say that a game like half life 1 should be in this list, where the competition is extremely difficult and the runners have insane amount of experience from different fps games put into those runs. FPS games are sort if impossible to get even near perfect so I find those very fascinating.
I've seen some of the tricks done in Mirror's Edge, that shit is hard. Also, there could be some newer games that appear on this list that rarely make use of glitches
I know I'm not the first to say it, but you need to include "i wanna kill the kamilia 3 100%", the game by itself is insanely hard with around 95/100 difficulty with the secrets, I think it's the hardest fangame that has a speedrun of it. A casual playthrough needs at least 400 hours and you have to be REALLY skilled, because it took me around 5 hours to do the first screen (I know it was a bad idea to try it, lol). There is only 1 man who has finished a 100% speedrun of the game. (Note: A new update to the game is comming.) www.speedrun.com/iwktkamilia3#100
I think Dark Souls has a strong argument to be on this list, if you're using the most optimized routes. They have lots of near-perfect tech (most of which are also at perfect angles) such as the Ceaseless skip, Duke skip, and recently discovered Sens' skip. You have pretty much zero room for mistakes (for example, in the Black Knight Halberd route, you have to run through a p. hard area to climb a ladder, then make a fall that will either kill you, or leave you with almost zero health), so if you get hit once or make a single mistake, the run is pretty much doomed. Combine that with the terrible RNG (the main All Bosses route requires an incredibly rare drop early in the run) and the fact that the game is basically impossible to run on anything but a controller (which only adds to the difficulty of the frame/angle perfect skips) make it certainly harder than games like Super Monkey Ball imo. Haven't played through most of these games, so I could be wrong, but I definitely think Dark Souls deserves a mention. Kiln skip is certainly easier, as you can skip most of the major difficulty points such as the Ceaseless, Firesage, and Duke skips. All bosses or any% no kiln skip are certainly up there tho.
I'm a new sub and Ive been enjoying your content (do more RS) but good god man, your taste in music is that of a 16-y-o white girl addicted to venti vanilla lattes with extra basic
This was awesome. A+ There's not very many speed runs for Sonic Rush (DS) and I consider that game pretty hard. I've gotten nearly all levels with S ranking with both characters and it's a challenge. 8/
You should denote in your description which videos are of which games. I tried the last link to go to the Tetris play and it took me to a different game.
Wow I was pretty surprised to see dust force on here. Not because of its difficulty but because of its rather disapointing popularity. Having played the game to quite some extend though I can see that speedrunning that game is crazy.
I love how you always show spyro tricks at the end of all ur videos..spyro needs more love the same with crash even I'd even go so far as to say rayman in the community.. But great stuff loved the video.
half-life any% unscripted on WON (original disk version) is super hard to get a sub-35 minute time in. There's a TON of glitches that you have to take advantage of, and health and ammo management. One slip in either could cost you the run. The most difficult glitch in the run comes in the last 15 minutes of the run, and since it's unscripted, all the bhopping has to be done with scroll wheel. it's not as hard as most of the games here, but it's very difficult regardless
a friend told me paper mario is difficult, is that true? i dont that it is, ofc you have to bring some knowledge but that counts for every game you want to speedrun
So, I speedrun Undertale any% and it's pretty hard, a lot of the skips used are pixel perfect a few are wrong warps (which teleports you a little farther or to the end of the new room you're entering) which requires you to open the menu and use the Punch Card you can easily softlock if you don't close the punch card at the right time and if you fail one of the many pixel perfect skips to skip a trigger and you land on the trigger what the trigger does will happen, if you practice the skips you can still easily fail the skip, but we do a frame perfect skip, but it's easier with the linux version.
>no half life -frame perfect bhops have to be consistent -monitoring hp and only picking up hp you need leading to low hp runs which result in a fuckload of resets especially during On A Rail -rng due to the npcs not always opening doors or responding properly, one npc fuckup ends an entire run -using nades to distract npcs so you dont get shot
Hey EZScape. Maybe you could make a video on the top ten most flawless (or close to flawless) speedruns
Definitely like that that idea. there are some videos (I forget where) that have some of the most flawless speed runs and at the end mentions they've all been beat a couple months later
zmnx22 first thing that comes to mind with flawless is the world record super mario bros run
Super Mario World has to be at least top 10 most optimised speed runs ever.
PUBG TV What is considered a flawless speedrun?
Those are called World Records.
I feel like for #1, you didn't even need to say anything other than "Just look at this shit".
fucking legend
Sorry guys for the #2 on this list, I didn't realize that the game wasn't that hard nor that it wasn't a real speedrun because I'm not as familiar with rythm games. If you're wondering what game I would replace with it, it would either be an older FPS like Quake or Doom or Super Mario Bros.
EDIT: Oh, but the rest of the list is still accurate IMO.
yeah #2 was iffy but it was a fun exhibition at the GDQ regardless. It's nice to see rhythm games get some love since it's a really niche hobby (The most popular international IIDX discord only has like 20 active members at any one time).
Also to shamelessly plugin rhythm games, if you enjoyed the run at GDQ you should the various top level plays of various rhythm games.
(Dustforce is my favorite speedgame on that list)
Issue wasn't difficulty. It was just simply because it wasn't a speedrun. I'm only seeing osu! fans trying to belittle it because it's not their game osu!mania (which I wouldn't agree on showcasing because a lot of examples they've shown have really awful charts that wouldn't be fun to watch as a showcase anyways).
what about osu ricter would you consider that a rhythm game?
I don't like osu. More specifically I don't like osu!mania.
It's absolutely a rhythm game but just personally I don't like it.
I think a better replacement for it would be another rhythm game, the Guitar Hero 3 100% Expert FGFC category
2:02 imagine getting a surgery done like this
5:52 "stacked on top of this" intended or not great pun
it's not a pun, it's a play on words
I agree with most of these, i think another one that could either be an honorable mention or on the list should be f zero gx which is literal insanity. Probably right around oot. Good vid
It was strongly considered, but I plan on using it in the TAS top 10.
@@EZScape zelda botw, that thing requires so much precise timing and rng to succeed
I was watching that stream for the tetris run, that was my first experience with speedrunning culture. It was so impressive that I started checking out more speedrun stuff, so seeing that video for the #1 makes me feel special in a sort of second-hand way.
"I had to tell my girlfriend to get out of the room in case she gets jealous" jesus man
Straight up cringed
Yeah, that was a boomer thing to say.
Dustforce truly is a work of art. I don't mean that lightly. The way it's animated plus its music gives it that title in my book. I can find myself playing one level for an hour, maybe even hours at a time. The frustration of losing levels is filled with relaxation and calmness because of the ambient music. The way the levels are crafted is truly mindblowing. They had a system in which you had to perfect a level to earn a key, and you would use that key to earn more levels. In layman's terms, to earn more levels, you had to perfect current levels. They ditched that and added an XP system in which you gain more XP to earn a key the more levels you play and perfect. I'm very glad they added this system and was skeptical about buying it. But now that I did buy it, I do not regret it even for a second. One thing I really love about this game is how you don't have to unlock base levels. In a sense, this game is open world. That sense is that many levels are available to you, and you can choose whether you want to advance into more challenging levels, or stay where you're at. To get an S in completion, you have to sweep up EVERY leaf, and to get an S in Finesse, you have to maintain your combo throughout an entire level.
Another thing I absolutely enjoy about Dustforce is its expasive community. There are lots of Community Workshop maps for you to sharpen your skills on, and lots of people who can set a good example. I'm sure most of the people who get best times on all the levels have a RUclips channel, so you can probably catch them there. The community may or not be active, but it sure is good and friendly.
Overall, in terms of gameplay, music, artstyle, animation, and difficulty (it's not an easy game, but it's not that hard of a game either. It just depends on how much you want to play it), I rate this game:
10/10 BUY THIS GAME.
dude stop drinking soylent
Hey could you do a top 10 RNG heavy speedruns? It would be interesting to see what you place on the list.
It's in my video queue atm, but there's a lot more videos in the works before I make it.
You better make sure Diablo 2 is on there ;)
I was watching that Tetris run live when it happened. I was on the edge of my seat, breathless.
*Hears Trauma Center: Second Opinion*
DID SOMEBODY SAY CRANBERRIES?
Heck *all* of the games in the series are hard to run. But if you can beat the game in the first place, you can run it.
I LOVE CRANBERRIES
"This is Mr. Tinkle-bottoms. he asked me to ask you if you had any cranberries?"
God I hate walking in the jello room.
“With a wii remote and nunchuck”
Me- yup we found it the hardest speedrun of all time
Try me
oh wow! I love the trauma center series, I always thought it was one of those games that nobody really knows about
I found Under the Knife, and then got stuck on a level in it and then got into speedrunning back when Irisjoker was running Second Opinion.
From ur runescape crew , I'm so happy u made it with this speed running stuff :) u were a funny dude in the 07 community
I liked your delivery better on this video than on the Longest Speedrun and Longest any% Speedrun vids. You sound more animated.
You need to make another top 10 longest any% speedrun video, but without rpgs.
Orbrun I am going to be making it, but I have other video projects in the works first.
Honestly EZScape , this stuff you're compiling is crazy. When I think of me hunting down speedruns and verification and maintaining accuracy and consideration of everything and everyone involved; I find myself just stressing out. cx This is really great stuff and I really appreciate you doing this. And the way you end these videos... it's amazing. I really appreciate all of this. It's all so great. Thank you for this stuff you do. c:
I will try the following soon:
Majora's Mask Three-Heart, Three-Day Run. Technically a speed run, since you need speed to beat the game in one three-day cycle.
sounds weird. normal any% should totally do it - whereby this section is kind of... "crowded" with good times already^^
Now, I wonder if anyone had done a Nuzlocke speedrun.
Perfect Dark on Perfect Agent difficulty on N64? It's very hard to complete a speedrun of it without at least 1 death. Hell, I haven't even completed every mission on Perfect Agent yet, it's freaking precise. "I Wanna Kill The Kamilia 3" is another insane speedrun, but I read your comment about IWBTG fangames already.
i wouldn't say mirror's edge is particularly hard casually...
Yes, it's among the easier games to play normally, it has typical normal difficulty for the last-gen era. It's one of the few games I finished in the very first game session, and one of few I finished at all. I still play it every couple years.
Yeah its not too hard casually but it looks like hell to speedrun
@@theespatier4456 It's just learning where to go, it's not difficult.
No, getting from start to end of level is simple enough, it's just putting in a time limit which makes it hard.
Thanks for the stepmania shoutout man! Overall great list, all these games are pretty solid picks honestly :) of course everyone mentioned stepmania isn't a speedrun so here's what i'd replace it with; I'd replace stepmania with I wanna be the guy/boshi/etc., or kaizo mario, or another game of similar nature to these.
The puns are so bad
Damn that tetris master..impressive.
IWBTGay is hard and all but you dont just get one chance.
+Addison Shiu Unless the levels in Kamilia 3 are randomly generated it is not harder than Tetris GM
The hardest parts of Kamilia 3 are randomly generated. I've seen people take over 200 hours to beat one 5-minute boss. It has a certain similarity, in that you are trying to very quickly read a somewhat randomized situation and improvise very precise movements.
The thing that makes them really hard to compare is their length. A successful run of TGM3 takes about as long as one of K3's bosses, of which there are a dozen or so, and much like a single run of TGM3, any one of those bosses is likely to take many attempts. So, TGM3 may well be harder than any one Kamilia 3 boss, but whether or not it's harder than beating all of them in a single sitting, plus the extremely difficult platforming, is very hard to say.
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Frame-perfection > RNG
I actually speedrun Monkey Ball. My main category is Monkey Ball 2 Story Mode Any% (With level skipping glitch). In order to get a good time, gameplay is only half of what needs to be good. You need to menu really fast and button mash well too. But if I were to say which is the most difficult part of the classic console Monkey Ball games, I'd say it's Super Monkey Ball Deluxe Ultimate. Playing levels from 1, 2, and some other new levels, Ultimate has 310 levels including the Monkey Ball 1 Master levels. Oh yeah, and playing on an original Xbox controller can be hard to do compared to a GameCube controller.
Almost forgot to mention that for getting a WR in Story Mode Any%, you need to be deathless. Doing 76-78 (Don't remember exactly) levels with varying difficulty in a 24 Minute time period is insane and I don't know how anyone has gotten a deathless run. I have trouble finishing a run most of the time and I'm not even that bad.
Frikkinfriks14 are you kidding me
Frikkinfriks14 I did not expect you here
Is me being here a good or bad thing or is it just whatever?
I dont know I just saw you here and I was bored so I said something
I love the fact u explain everything, it makes me watch whole vid since I dont know muchabout tricks, methods etc etc
I think Halo 2 In Legendary mode. You have to utilize crazy glitches and avoid instant death! It is alot of fun to watch too
I love the humor in these it's great as these series
I mean, Stepmania isn't really a speedrun, and 4k isnt as hard as most games tbh
Most "Hard" Speedruns or Games need very technical things.
Stepmania or "Mania" in general on the other side relies purely on your physical skills and to be good you need to train them a LOT.
Bonus: The chanche to get carpaltunnel is high!
(Dont't say 4k is easy before you even done some 18KPS Jumpstream^^
Chakratos I have done 18kps jumpstreams too, and I don't consider them easy, but I mean I can do 18 kps on just streams at 250~ bpm. Including jumps at speeds around 210-ish bpm raises kps to mid 20s, so I definitely know my way around the game. I still wouldn't call it easy, but I don't think its rocket science, its just physical skill and execution similar to high level speedruns. It just doesn't require the same conscious thought as speedruns. That's all I mean by 'easy'
Looking at the video again and seeing other games like Stepmania in the list like Tetris, I would want to point out the differences in that Tetris requires speed to play through as well as high skill like Stepmania to go fast, but Tetris actually has an end for their runs, and a definable route of sorts, Stepmania, despite being at a speedrun event was not a speedrun but, as said, it was only a showcase of the game and its speed.
You gotta admit that staiain is really got at it tho. He hit 40KPS in stepmania, that's 10 input per finger per second, crazy. Highest kps i ever had was 44, and that's playing 7k, nearly double the finger
Daniel Hadinata
I don't think there's any discussion regarding it not being impressive, but the skill comes from speed, not difficult patterns or technicalities like most other rhythm games, as 4k is simple in concept. The only point is that it's not a speedrun, however impressive it is.
I'm really enjoying these man! Keep them coming!
Portal? SSBM target test? eh, awesome list, I love your videos, I subbed to you like 2 days ago and already been loving your channel!
WinterWolf(Gaming) Portal is definetly way harder than Mirror's edge. Tried to run portal but I just couldn't. You can learn mirror's edge in a week but getting close to the world record will take you like a 1000 hours playtime
Exactly.
SSBM target tests should probably be included, considering you need the kind of tech skill top level players in the competitive scene have to even dream of getting near the world records.
+Willow Rosenberg
hwhat? I haven't tried it myself but Portal was the first Speedrun game where I originally had trouble understanding what's even going on while watching. But i get it, there are many kinds of difficulty, so ranking them can be verry subjective
Yeah and Glitched and glitchless are way different as well.
I'm honestly surprised you didn't include SMB1 on this list. There's multiple frame perfect tricks used in it, and it's still really hard to speedrun it even with out any of them.
I *personally* didn't find Mirror's Edge particularly difficult to just play through, but I wouldn't want to even *consider* speedrunning it.
Had to give the game up after the second level. I’ve never been good at first person games, but I found complex moves in Mirror’s Edge completely impossible.
@@arcadianwind I could see having that problem, it does require some fairly tight coordination.
Wow, will be looking into those Tetris grand master runs. Great video!
“Gonna keep it in the realm of what people are actually able to do.” (But only barely)
This was a really well made! You didn't sound like you were bored throughout the video and adding the numbers at the corner was a nice touch.
But i really have to disagree with #2. You can't really speedrun a rhythm game. Speedrunning a game pretty much means completing a game as fast as possible, no? Well you can't really do that in rhythm games since each track has a set time and the only way to change it is to use modifiers to speed up the track but faster doesn't necessarily mean better/harder. Well actually it kinda does but the amount of times the term "speedrunning a track" is used within the rhythm game community is close to zero.
And even then including StepMania is quite unfair to other rhythm games out there, such as Taiko no Tatsujin, osu!, BMS, LR2, O2Jam, KSM, etc.
Staiain signed up for StepMania in AGDQ and was somehow accepted. He signed up for StepMania again recently along with HappyStick who signed up for osu! and they were both declined most likely due to the games not being "speedrun-able"
I suck at arguing but my main point is that a rhythm game can't be speedrunned.
Guess it may be slightly debatable, but I assumed that when GDQ accepted it the first time then it counted as a speedrun.
rhythm games are impossible to speedrun
F-Zero GX is insane to speed run
wtf.....how in the fuck do you play tetris without any blocks. that should literally be impossible. this is some kind of google man level of skill.
@EZScape you should really look up Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom. That game is difficult af to speedrun
Tanner Swoyer I'm subbed to Shift_HD on Twitch and probably doing a video about that game later this month. Trust me I know!:D
EZScape I'm glad, it needs more recognition in the speed running community
You should make a video on top 10 hardest glitches to perform
Keep up with the great videos!
Didn't expect to actually see the game I speedrun on this list because of it not being very popular. But holy shit, it's at #3!? Gotta say, I'm quite honored :D
what about things like iwbtg or iwbtb? i´v been practicing speedrunning i wanna be the guy and its seriously one of the most frustrating and resetheavy runs you can imagine.
They were definitely considered, but I decided to prioritize other platformers and use them instead of having a video full of just platformers.
Okay okay, but what about I Wanna Kill The Kamilia 3? /thread
Also, Majora's Mask Low% is quite fucking ridiculous. You can make a lot of mistakes that just ruins the whole run.
Actually, the entire "I Wanna" fangame series could, and should, be put in one group. Every fangame uses the same physics, so if you're good at one fangame, you're basically good at another. Some fangames even homage other fangames and basically take their screens with just a few tweaks, adding traps or what else.
If you made the choice of having less difficult games in the video for this purpose, then it's not a _top_ 10, is it? It's just a random list.
Johan difficulty is subjective, so it was very hard to decide on this list. I decided to pick which in my opinion was the most difficult platformer instead of just choosing platformers. If I wanted to do that I would have just made top 10 most difficult platform speedruns or something. I could have just selected game genres, too, but I decided to do that with game choice and choosing the more difficult games in that genre. Obviously even then there might be a game that's more difficult in the genre I chose, but there isn't really any way for me to know that unless I play all those games at top level, so I went based on what other people said during my research.
Dark Souls 1 has a similar mechanic where you wear a ring that gives a damage boost when on low HP. This video was pretty nice.
Spent six hours now getting drunk and watching your videos. Thank you for the entertainment. Regarding speedruns...well I don't really have any except for completing Super Metroid 100% in three hours, though that's garbage compared to the pro times. Keep making awesome videos dude!
"I can do that, hold my beer."
Best desc. ever XD
I just discovered your channel and I already love it :)!!!!
love your videos man, keep em coming
I feel like the windwaker SD is a very underrated speed game, it has hundreds of frame perfect storage tricks and so many ways to mess up and lose minutes of time, it's so stressful and you also need to be able to zombie hover which isn't even something you can learn it's an actual skill you have to develop
I was surprised Metroid Prime didn't appear on this list. The fact you need to memorize nearly every room in the game to scan dash effectively is a huge challenge alone.
That mixing. Haha
12 am and your voice was so loud I woke up from the auto play xD
Good video though. Watching now :3
love these videos keep up the good work ez!
I think FZero speedruns are around the same level as MK64 speedruns... they also need high level of MTS to do
You forgot the run Werster had to give up on because it was too hard Pokemon Emerald All Gold Symbols
F-Zero GX on Very Hard is the most impressive speed run. 25 minutes of absolutely perfect execution, some of which relies on just a few frames of actions (F-Zero is also one of the few Gamecube games that runs at 60 fps, making it that much harder)
I can 100% confirm without watching it, that Stepmania speedrun had FREEDOM DiVE.
Even though it isnt that popular and not well known (im not mad btw) I think ridge racer would be a good number 10 spot if you want there is a channel that speedruns it called rrlsh :)
was looking at speedruns and then came to your top 10s while I play osrs, then i realized by the channel name this is an ex-osrs channel haha xD nice change tho. p.s i also love the spyro skyboxes in the outro !
I think this video is great, but I believe you may have missed the ultimate speedrun: The 602 star run; This run is a speedrun which 1 PERSON plays super mario 64, super mario sunshine, super mario galaxy, and super mario galaxy 2 consecutively. This run lasts about 21 hours.
I was going to guess #1 was going to be an F-Zero series game, not just because the regular game is not casual friendly, but because the tricks involved in speedrunning the game are unreal difficult, as they have been described in speedruns
Your puns! They're unBEARable! (Yeah, I bet you've never heard that one before.....)
0:56 Am I crazy or does that look suspiciously close to a Marlboro advertisement?
New sub ere....great video. Keep it up brudda!
*Nuf love 4rm Birmingham uk*
Have you heard of I Wanna Kill the Kamilia 3? It's an extremely difficult I Wanna Be The Guy fangame that is actually speedran and is close to the limit of what humans could do
Updated link for the MK64 resource page: tasvideos.org/GameResources/N64/MarioKart64.html
Thank you for not doing the awful “official” form of introducing the games. It makes your video infinitely better than the ones that do that.
no kamilia 3 in the list RIP.
The first speedrun I witnessed was when a friend of a friend found out you could buy crash team racing on psn (ps3), bought it, and beat it in 1 go drunk af doing the drift boost the whole time
I'm disappointed that you forgot smb1 any%
Portal, and especially portal 2, deserves a spot on this list.
I totally agree that these games are difficult. I'm a fps speedrunner and I must say that a game like half life 1 should be in this list, where the competition is extremely difficult and the runners have insane amount of experience from different fps games put into those runs. FPS games are sort if impossible to get even near perfect so I find those very fascinating.
I've seen some of the tricks done in Mirror's Edge, that shit is hard. Also, there could be some newer games that appear on this list that rarely make use of glitches
Keep this shit up bro I like the content switch
EZ Escape: The hardest game to speedrun is Tetris.
Touhou LoLK Lunatic 1CC no Full Power: *Laughs in Bullet Hell*
I know I'm not the first to say it, but you need to include "i wanna kill the kamilia 3 100%", the game by itself is insanely hard with around 95/100 difficulty with the secrets, I think it's the hardest fangame that has a speedrun of it. A casual playthrough needs at least 400 hours and you have to be REALLY skilled, because it took me around 5 hours to do the first screen (I know it was a bad idea to try it, lol). There is only 1 man who has finished a 100% speedrun of the game. (Note: A new update to the game is comming.)
www.speedrun.com/iwktkamilia3#100
I think Dark Souls has a strong argument to be on this list, if you're using the most optimized routes. They have lots of near-perfect tech (most of which are also at perfect angles) such as the Ceaseless skip, Duke skip, and recently discovered Sens' skip. You have pretty much zero room for mistakes (for example, in the Black Knight Halberd route, you have to run through a p. hard area to climb a ladder, then make a fall that will either kill you, or leave you with almost zero health), so if you get hit once or make a single mistake, the run is pretty much doomed. Combine that with the terrible RNG (the main All Bosses route requires an incredibly rare drop early in the run) and the fact that the game is basically impossible to run on anything but a controller (which only adds to the difficulty of the frame/angle perfect skips) make it certainly harder than games like Super Monkey Ball imo. Haven't played through most of these games, so I could be wrong, but I definitely think Dark Souls deserves a mention.
Kiln skip is certainly easier, as you can skip most of the major difficulty points such as the Ceaseless, Firesage, and Duke skips. All bosses or any% no kiln skip are certainly up there tho.
I'm a new sub and Ive been enjoying your content (do more RS) but good god man, your taste in music is that of a 16-y-o white girl addicted to venti vanilla lattes with extra basic
lol half of the guy's heart is bleeding out "Good! Cool! Cool! Cool! Good!"
This was awesome. A+ There's not very many speed runs for Sonic Rush (DS) and I consider that game pretty hard. I've gotten nearly all levels with S ranking with both characters and it's a challenge. 8/
You should denote in your description which videos are of which games. I tried the last link to go to the Tetris play and it took me to a different game.
Damn. Surprised Super meat boy didn't make it! Well thought out list though, sir!
and what have I achived today ?
I ate the whole jar of cookies alone
Wow I was pretty surprised to see dust force on here. Not because of its difficulty but because of its rather disapointing popularity. Having played the game to quite some extend though I can see that speedrunning that game is crazy.
I love how you always show spyro tricks at the end of all ur videos..spyro needs more love the same with crash even I'd even go so far as to say rayman in the community.. But great stuff loved the video.
The top two on this list is something i can never even fathom of succeeding, let alone actually know what i'm doing.
I like how the guy is playing on a madcatz te stick.
Arcade parts which help a lot.
Being a rhythm gamer i can't agree with the stepmania speedrun, but i can see why you would agree with it. Still great video though :)
*looks at thumbnail*
So grabbing bowser’s tail is the hardest speedrun
Sometimes when I try to grab his tail as quick as possible I miss and he grabs me
Dishonored 100% is difficult as well. You need to get ALL collectibles, which means EVERY coin and if you miss one, better restart.
That Tetris grandmaster difficulty is some crazy stuff
half-life any% unscripted on WON (original disk version) is super hard to get a sub-35 minute time in. There's a TON of glitches that you have to take advantage of, and health and ammo management. One slip in either could cost you the run. The most difficult glitch in the run comes in the last 15 minutes of the run, and since it's unscripted, all the bhopping has to be done with scroll wheel. it's not as hard as most of the games here, but it's very difficult regardless
I'm on one of the last chapters on Mirrors Edge and am stuck on a jump I just CAN'T pull off. I'm really desperate at this point.
I spent 5 months and 3 days from December 31st, 2019, to June 3rd 2020 optimizing my strats and routes for Pikmin, and I finally got a 10 day run.
a friend told me paper mario is difficult, is that true? i dont that it is, ofc you have to bring some knowledge but that counts for every game you want to speedrun
DevelonLP paper Mario isn't too difficult iirc besides blue house skip which is really really difficult
From what I've seen, Thousand Year Door is harder than 64, what with the Palace Skip and all, since they are still fine-tuning it.
An old friend had the world record on 4 time trial maps on Xbox360 Mirrors Edge. His name was YANZA1, runners will know
Necrodancer Coda all Zones, was pretty sick, knowing the rules of the character
So, I speedrun Undertale any% and it's pretty hard, a lot of the skips used are pixel perfect a few are wrong warps (which teleports you a little farther or to the end of the new room you're entering) which requires you to open the menu and use the Punch Card you can easily softlock if you don't close the punch card at the right time and if you fail one of the many pixel perfect skips to skip a trigger and you land on the trigger what the trigger does will happen, if you practice the skips you can still easily fail the skip, but we do a frame perfect skip, but it's easier with the linux version.
>no half life
-frame perfect bhops have to be consistent
-monitoring hp and only picking up hp you need leading to low hp runs which result in a fuckload of resets especially during On A Rail
-rng due to the npcs not always opening doors or responding properly, one npc fuckup ends an entire run
-using nades to distract npcs so you dont get shot
It would be nice if you were to expand more on each game. It felt a bit rushed (you got my like regardless :) )
What about I wanna be the boshy or kamillia?
Yeah I was thinking about it too...
I was thinking about IWBTG (the original).
the original IWBTG is a joke compared to the fangames
Yoshis island foe SNES deserves a spot so many percise egg shots. Watch the WR run your mind will be blown.