Bedec is great stuff, i use the white gloss a lot for soffit and fascia boards and the black gloss is great on black downpipes. It saves loads of time. Another informative video 👍
Spindle work is like pulling teeth , rollers every time . I did see a video of a bloke painting with a sock also a good idea but I think it could get messy .Small Fleece rollers are best as sponges holds too much paint and don't caress the profile so well. Also a shorter length shaft (if that's the correct description)gives you more control don't go for long implements.Ive spent nearly 40 years making hand finished picture frames so have loads of experience in this kind of thing .
Mini sponge roller makes easy work once brush work is done on bottoms & underneath handrail if stained, it finds the contours of the spindles better as it's soft unlike the rigid other types
@@TheWESTSIDE1967 I find sponge rollers too rigid and prefer small fleece rollers both ok but it could be personal preference and the type you are using ,love to know why you prefer sponge.
@andygretz used both but with a mini sponge you get a spray like finish as opposed to other , plus it finds the contours of spindles better as it's spongy whereas the others are more rigid , i can normally do around 4 spindles per load up as you normally only use the middle part but i run off excess on sides on the other spindles so that's my feed plus it stop it flicking paint👍
@@markelliott4802 always a durable Matt. Can't remember the last time I used a vinyl Matt. Like ok at Albany durable Matt... Johnstones durable Matt. Isomat Professional Color and also Premium Color. Depends what your budget is on paint.
@ProfessionalPainterDecorator I can't remember the last time a customer asked for vinyl matt. Everyone wants durable and why not! Makes sense really ,thanks for the replies. Always like to find out what other decorators are using. Every days a school day 😊
I ended up buying this msp after watching this and another vid of yours where also used on old door along with your vid on painting rads and have massive dilemna now. Done rads which was fine and skirting wont be issue as getting primed mdf and sticking zinsser bin on to seal. Bedec have advised me to used 30 to 40% watered down 1st coat along with 2 top neat coats on the skirting but given there primed twice and zinsser i imagine 2 or 3 neat coats will be fine. Now my issue, my new pine spindles came already primed, i sanded any rough bits and splashes, sanded knots i could see and put knotting pale on just the knots. Then 2 coats of zinsser and light sand ready for paint. To my horror bedec say dont use knotting solution but their stain blocker instead (guess zinsser is better option anyway). See people saying knotting solution reacts with msp so now panicking looking for alternative. Bedec aqua satin has the same problem. Do i just switch to something like johnos aqua now or any suggestions for all my woodwork ?
Hi. You don't need to be using Zinsser BIN on pre primed MDF... Just go on with the MSP. Knotts.... Bedec All primer could be used.. a couple of coats then MSP. Or have you seen the Bradite ONECAN?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator thanks after all that work dont want to be doin extra now and just get a nice satin wb paint on so a bit stuck The spindles were also primed but went for belt and brace approach to stop/delay knots comin through. For skirting adding zinsser in hope it gives that bit of protection in case ever had rad leak etc (they havnt arrived yet but most prep and undercoat will be done by me before fitting)
@ProfessionalPainterDecorator brand please. If there is a specific way that's better to apply dark colours I would love to know too, thank you so much for responding 😊
@@thinkpink4bex same plication, unless you spray them... use black MSP from Bedec, or other brands in black will be fine.. Bardite OneCan, Zinsser AllCoat Exterior.
I would never of thought to use a roller that a brilliant tip thanks Phil incidentally what is that colour on the hand rails is is a black or something else.
Now, the hand rail.. looked a mess as it was originally just stained, you can imagine the miss match of colours over the years. We cleaned it down, washed it well and sanded.. then gave it two coats of KolorBond AquaTek (water based) in Ral7016 anthracite... rock hard finish, looked aweome and a lot more modern look.
Mind reader as I need to do a single run of 14 spindles and 2 posts. if painting all in white (water based gloss) what's the best sequence? I'm thinking under the handrail first, bringing in the tops of spindles no more than about 10mm, then do the same at the bottom, then the spindles. Lastly the sides and top of handrail, working quick before it dries..
@ProfessionalPainterDecorator I have. Just wasn't sure if you were painting over oil or water-based. I know you said it goes over almost anything. I just wondered if going over oil based does it save having to use a separate grip primer first.
@@PhilPha you may find it's ok straight out the tub, depends what the surface porosity s like, you may find you want to add a splash of water to help it brush easier for cutting in.
Handy video Phil as I need to do just this. Behind the spindles as we head further up the stairs we have an area of wall with a limited gap so I was thinking about using tape to hang some newspaper or similar to protect it and go behind them with a rad roller at least as far as can be seen from the hallway. Some have even suggested a white sports sock for applying paint to spindles to get into all of those little details, not sure if you have a view on that one 😅
Just done my own spindles with half the staircase only having an inch between wall and spindles. The only thing that worked for me was the sock. Was very sceptical but it worked great. Even hanging paper to protect the wall didn’t work as I still could get a brush or roller into the nooks and crannies.
Problematic with kids and pets but agree on durability. Yet to find a waterbased paint that is in as good a condition after several years than oil based satinwood.
@@AlexGnok Dulux trade satinwood doesn’t in my experience except in areas with zero natural light. If you can tolerate the smell, drying times and white spirit you won’t find a much better more durable finish. I’ve got skirting and doors painted 5 years ago that look like new in a busy household. The switchover to water based has been a challenge as the application technique is different (bang it on and leave it), you can’t correct any runs easily (though I’m getting better at preventing them), and the finish in areas like hallways simply isn’t as durable. That said, Dulux Heritage Eggshell is holding up well so far.
got to be oil based satin or gloss for interior woodwork nothing else is durable enough to be touched and knocked constantly water based not to bad for exteriors quicker but I think exterior undercoat gloss satin is still best find sandtex trade to be best especially their products for exterior metalwork can't beat them for that I find johnstones trade new oil gloss formula is the best doesn't seem to yellow they brought it out couple years after we left the E.U. so I don't know if its got something in it that it used to have that got the E.U. banned must have been seems more durable too than other oil glosses. oil satin I would say crown trade is best again seems the most durable and doesn't seem to yellow like the others oil undercoat crown trade is the best one oil based primers crown and johnstones are the best they are much better than dulux trade I was quite surprised at how bad the dulux trade ones were compared to crown and johnstones
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator be interesting to see some market share stats. Whilst I have since moved on from it, I maintain that Dulux Trade Satinwood (oil) gave an absolutely bombproof finish that is hard to replicate with water based paints.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Oil based used and specified satin or gloss , on new builds Water based can’t handle all the works after the houses are finished Final fix joiner , plumber ,sparks, patchers , tilers cleaners etc all in completed plots Crashing about ,tools on window boards etc etc Better finish anyway Thousands of houses every year finished in oil based
The title of the video is Transform your staircase: Easy spindle etc…. And it’s 4:09 and we’re still not there… 6:40 and we just about start to get to the point….
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator it’s not sharp enough for a painter look at the top of the spindles against the wood i wood sack an apprentice for that poor standard , and your doing videos , go back to the training centre ,
This is why decorators are called in when home owners realise the huge task to paint all types of spindles on that scale. BEDEC noice gear!!
Glad I found this before I started my spindles, cheers...
great, let me know how you get on
Thank you so much for this! I just varnished mine with a brush and got quite a few runs. I will redo them with paint some day using your great tips!
Wonderful! It's so much easier
Fluting shape, nooks and crannies = Knuckles cheers Phil great vids
Beautiful work mate!
Best way to paint these is getting someone else to do it hate spindles with a passion
Bedec is great stuff, i use the white gloss a lot for soffit and fascia boards and the black gloss is great on black downpipes. It saves loads of time. Another informative video 👍
Does it last okay? Is it as tough as an oil based paint? Thanks
Thanks phill that’s a new one on me I’ll use a roller next time
Superb and really informative 👍👍👍
Glad you liked it
Spindle work is like pulling teeth , rollers every time . I did see a video of a bloke painting with a sock also a good idea but I think it could get messy .Small Fleece rollers are best as sponges holds too much paint and don't caress the profile so well. Also a shorter length shaft (if that's the correct description)gives you more control don't go for long implements.Ive spent nearly 40 years making hand finished picture frames so have loads of experience in this kind of thing .
Mini sponge roller makes easy work once brush work is done on bottoms & underneath handrail if stained, it finds the contours of the spindles better as it's soft unlike the rigid other types
@@TheWESTSIDE1967 I find sponge rollers too rigid and prefer small fleece rollers both ok but it could be personal preference and the type you are using ,love to know why you prefer sponge.
@andygretz used both but with a mini sponge you get a spray like finish as opposed to other , plus it finds the contours of spindles better as it's spongy whereas the others are more rigid , i can normally do around 4 spindles per load up as you normally only use the middle part but i run off excess on sides on the other spindles so that's my feed plus it stop it flicking paint👍
Great video, thanks 👏
Glad you liked it!
I painted my parents stairs and spindles, only time I wished I was an orphan.
LoL 😂
Skip to 7.30 if you just want the useful stuff.
thanks for skimming through anyway
Great tip 👍 hate them spindles 😂
Will that paint stop knots from wood coming through?
no.
I've never done it that way with a roller.after 40yrs+ of decorating I still use a brush with no runs either
try it, takes a lot less time.
Hi Phil. Would you recommend using a small roller on the spindles using oil based undercoat and gloss ?
that you can, but it'll smell and take longer to dry.
Thanks, Phil.
Best way 👍
Great video fella, what's your go-to brush for woodwork? Also, what's your go-to for emulsion? 😊
Slash cut Arroworthy or a Monarch.
Emulsion for walls or ceilings?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator walls, love the channel. Keep up the good work.
@@markelliott4802 always a durable Matt.
Can't remember the last time I used a vinyl Matt.
Like ok at Albany durable Matt... Johnstones durable Matt.
Isomat Professional Color and also Premium Color.
Depends what your budget is on paint.
@ProfessionalPainterDecorator I can't remember the last time a customer asked for vinyl matt. Everyone wants durable and why not! Makes sense really ,thanks for the replies. Always like to find out what other decorators are using. Every days a school day 😊
@@markelliott4802 definitely if you never went in the first place lol 🤣
I ended up buying this msp after watching this and another vid of yours where also used on old door along with your vid on painting rads and have massive dilemna now. Done rads which was fine and skirting wont be issue as getting primed mdf and sticking zinsser bin on to seal. Bedec have advised me to used 30 to 40% watered down 1st coat along with 2 top neat coats on the skirting but given there primed twice and zinsser i imagine 2 or 3 neat coats will be fine.
Now my issue, my new pine spindles came already primed, i sanded any rough bits and splashes, sanded knots i could see and put knotting pale on just the knots. Then 2 coats of zinsser and light sand ready for paint. To my horror bedec say dont use knotting solution but their stain blocker instead (guess zinsser is better option anyway). See people saying knotting solution reacts with msp so now panicking looking for alternative. Bedec aqua satin has the same problem. Do i just switch to something like johnos aqua now or any suggestions for all my woodwork ?
Hi.
You don't need to be using Zinsser BIN on pre primed MDF... Just go on with the MSP.
Knotts.... Bedec All primer could be used.. a couple of coats then MSP.
Or have you seen the Bradite ONECAN?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator thanks after all that work dont want to be doin extra now and just get a nice satin wb paint on so a bit stuck
The spindles were also primed but went for belt and brace approach to stop/delay knots comin through.
For skirting adding zinsser in hope it gives that bit of protection in case ever had rad leak etc (they havnt arrived yet but most prep and undercoat will be done by me before fitting)
Cant beat the roller Phil if spraying isnt an option, the 2 Fussy blokes leave a beautiful finish. Only use them sleeves since you recommended them.
Hi Phil, where can I get the 100m micro fibre rollers from, cheers..
4" rollers. Have a look at Screwfix and Toolstation. Decent decorator centres... My Amazon Associate storefront.
If I have any in there 😆
Bedec is awesome discovered it by accident when bromborogh forgot to get d,weathershield w,base ,absolute best for me in w,based😅
Why no dust sheets down ??
New carpet went down the following week.
Hi Phil, do you have any tried and tested recommendations for black paint on the stairs and spindles?
As in how to apply or brand?
@ProfessionalPainterDecorator brand please. If there is a specific way that's better to apply dark colours I would love to know too, thank you so much for responding 😊
@@thinkpink4bex same plication, unless you spray them... use black MSP from Bedec, or other brands in black will be fine.. Bardite OneCan, Zinsser AllCoat Exterior.
I would never of thought to use a roller that a brilliant tip thanks Phil incidentally what is that colour on the hand rails is is a black or something else.
Now, the hand rail.. looked a mess as it was originally just stained, you can imagine the miss match of colours over the years. We cleaned it down, washed it well and sanded.. then gave it two coats of KolorBond AquaTek (water based) in Ral7016 anthracite... rock hard finish, looked aweome and a lot more modern look.
Mind reader as I need to do a single run of 14 spindles and 2 posts. if painting all in white (water based gloss) what's the best sequence? I'm thinking under the handrail first, bringing in the tops of spindles no more than about 10mm, then do the same at the bottom, then the spindles. Lastly the sides and top of handrail, working quick before it dries..
Yep
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator top man
Hi Phil would scuff x be ok for spindles ?
Yes
Thanks for the scuff x tip by the way it’s fantastic
The spindles are called Scottish bagpipes
What's the most durable paint for the ball on a newel post that gets handled every time the stairs are used?
Have a look ok at Hanford and Green Touch Gard
What is the best paint for handrails to stop the paint coming off and gathering?
Have a look at my Hanford & Green Touch Gard video. That would be ideal.
Subbed Btw 👍
Appreciate it
Hi Phil, great video, mate. Can it go over oil based gloss if you give it a good key first
Ooooh. I'm gonna say... Have you watched the video?
@ProfessionalPainterDecorator I have. Just wasn't sure if you were painting over oil or water-based. I know you said it goes over almost anything. I just wondered if going over oil based does it save having to use a separate grip primer first.
@@davidstanger9077 yeah, these were oil gloss last time around, this time coated up with the MSP soft Gloss. It's a great finish.
Hi Phil, do I paint the spindles first or do the handrail (sanding & danish oil) first? Thanks
On this one, we got a coat on the hand rail inbetween coats.. and finished with the hand rail (KolorBond AquaTek ral7016)
Just about to start mine Phil and using Tikurilla for the ceiling. Do you add any water to dilute it slightly to ease the application?
For the ceiling?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Yes, ceiling only. I have Dulux for the walls. Thanks.
@@PhilPha you may find it's ok straight out the tub, depends what the surface porosity s like, you may find you want to add a splash of water to help it brush easier for cutting in.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Thanks Phil, appreciated.
What exactly is a Cranny?
google it lol
Handy video Phil as I need to do just this. Behind the spindles as we head further up the stairs we have an area of wall with a limited gap so I was thinking about using tape to hang some newspaper or similar to protect it and go behind them with a rad roller at least as far as can be seen from the hallway. Some have even suggested a white sports sock for applying paint to spindles to get into all of those little details, not sure if you have a view on that one 😅
Just done my own spindles with half the staircase only having an inch between wall and spindles. The only thing that worked for me was the sock. Was very sceptical but it worked great. Even hanging paper to protect the wall didn’t work as I still could get a brush or roller into the nooks and crannies.
@@johngibson540 cheers John, that’s one vote for the sock! 😁👍🏻
A good decorator whant have run's on his spindles provided he doesn't apply to much paint to the substrate.
but a DIYer might ;)
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator A DIYer definitely will have runs on most of his work.
If David Brent was a decorator.
who?
I always found them easy, but you have to be busy.
Half inch hamilton, oil based paint, overnight drying, smelly, but much better results, 12 months down the line-far more durable!
Problematic with kids and pets but agree on durability. Yet to find a waterbased paint that is in as good a condition after several years than oil based satinwood.
@@Liverpool1ne oil based goes yellow after 6 months though, doesn't it?
@@AlexGnok Dulux trade satinwood doesn’t in my experience except in areas with zero natural light. If you can tolerate the smell, drying times and white spirit you won’t find a much better more durable finish. I’ve got skirting and doors painted 5 years ago that look like new in a busy household. The switchover to water based has been a challenge as the application technique is different (bang it on and leave it), you can’t correct any runs easily (though I’m getting better at preventing them), and the finish in areas like hallways simply isn’t as durable. That said, Dulux Heritage Eggshell is holding up well so far.
ScuffX..... what do you think of that?
got to be oil based satin or gloss for interior woodwork nothing else is durable enough to be touched and knocked constantly water based not to bad for exteriors quicker but I think exterior undercoat gloss satin is still best find sandtex trade to be best especially their products for exterior metalwork can't beat them for that I find johnstones trade new oil gloss formula is the best doesn't seem to yellow they brought it out couple years after we left the E.U. so I don't know if its got something in it that it used to have that got the E.U. banned must have been seems more durable too than other oil glosses. oil satin I would say crown trade is best again seems the most durable and doesn't seem to yellow like the others oil undercoat crown trade is the best one oil based primers crown and johnstones are the best they are much better than dulux trade I was quite surprised at how bad the dulux trade ones were compared to crown and johnstones
I think you're the only one buying oil based paints these days, aren't you?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator be interesting to see some market share stats. Whilst I have since moved on from it, I maintain that Dulux Trade Satinwood (oil) gave an absolutely bombproof finish that is hard to replicate with water based paints.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator
Oil based used and specified satin or gloss , on new builds
Water based can’t handle all the works after the houses are finished
Final fix joiner , plumber ,sparks, patchers , tilers cleaners etc all in completed plots
Crashing about ,tools on window boards etc etc
Better finish anyway
Thousands of houses every year finished in oil based
You must be the only one using it then
Any chance of a comma by the way 😂
@@2010dgizzle too many commas is better than talking out of your colon: 🤣
Id add a drop of floetrol n'all
what do you think to Flow & Bond?
Use a mini pipe roller.
The title of the video is Transform your staircase: Easy spindle etc…. And it’s 4:09 and we’re still not there… 6:40 and we just about start to get to the point….
oh well, sorry you didn't want to know a bit about it.. there is tiktoc you can watch if you only want 60secs to learn something.
I skip looked and got the info in 2 mins and not the almost 16 you took.
No I don't..!
7 mins the painting starts . Well 8 actually 😂
glad you watched it
Is he ever going to get to the point?
Oh, you gotta realise, these are mini feature films. If you want something shorter... The Tiktoc app may be better suited to you.
Bedec MSP stringy shite. Fine if the surface is opaque. No body at all.
MSP is good, its got proper acylic to it as well.
Three lots of adverts in the first 4 minutes is just plain greedy!! I stop watching after that.
They put three in? Must be seen as a popular video. Or the algorithm is geared towards you.
why even paint them they are ugly.
Too much talking just get on with it
theres always tiktok if you want 15secs of info
I prefer sponge roller for that type of work
Soul destroying work
your cutting in is very poor , really bad
in what way?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator it’s not sharp enough for a painter look at the top of the spindles against the wood i wood sack an apprentice for that poor standard , and your doing videos , go back to the training centre ,
@@GabrielCassidy-d2o At least I had a video for you to watch to see how its done though lol