You may have a point. It does seem for UI or UX experience ubnt is the way to go. However I hear from others that know I lot more than me, MT is extremely flexible. But time will tell if I can prove that fact to myself. I decided to follow the MT path.
I have had my home network over 20 years already and I have some UB and a lot of MT devices in my network. I do not run any services on my network and basically it all is about moving bits around at wire speed (up to 40Gbps). Do what you like, but neither UB nor MT is capable of that. For that reason I have relegated MT gear to be an access device (I see about 50 MT devices in romon at the moment) for long wireless links and central parts are covered by the HPE instead. What comes to UB then it may be fancy, but the cloud based management is not the thing and all gear need to be managed locally. In that regard the MT does not utilize that anyway.
@@PaulWarrenEaton I have been on some generations of HPE TOR switches here. I went for the HPE because their boxes are well supported by documentation side and these switches did not require me to have license to get and run firmwares/management software on it. I had several boxes stacked to get me ports required, but found modular consolidation good to have and currently running HPE Flexfabric 5930 4-slot unit JH179A with combination of ports 1,10 and 40 Gbps. The switch can do them all at wire speed with the routing/switching capacity of 2560 Gbps. These units are relatively cheap off eBay, its modules can be used with different HPE Flexfabric 59xx generations if needed. I am inching closer to the 100Gbps...
Repost: Mike Erdely - I'm looking at prices and all of them are pretty comparable between a Mikrotik RB5009UG+S+IN ($219 USD) vs a Qotom Mini PC 8GB RAM/64 GB SSD, 4 LAN ($265 USD/Amazon) that can run pfSense. A Mikrotik cAP XL ac ($99 USD) vs. Ubiquiti AP Wifi 6 Lite ($99 USD). You don't need something like a UDM for this. Instead of using a UDM to manage your Ubiquiti APs, you can use the Unifi Controller Home Assistant Add-on to manage them. And like you said in the video, once you have things configured, you're likely not to need to log into the Controller often except to upgrade the APs' firmware every so often. I have the Qotom running pfSense with the Ubiquiti AP Lites (2 x 6 & 1 older one) in my split level house. I have one on each level. pfSense is very nice firewall/router software. It's easy to use and there's tons of support for it. The wifi coverage in my house (and in my 1/4 acre yard) is excellent. I have 40 Tasmota devices along with a bunch of other wifi devices (phones, watches, computers, Rokus, smart speakers. It all works well with the Ubiquiti wifi gear. I am personally using dumb netgear gigabit switches where needed in my house, but I could use a smart switch and set up VLANs with the pfSense router, but I don't want the complication of VLANs. The only thing I see missing from my set up that you were excited about is the 10 Gbps port on the Mikrotik router. 1 Gbps is fast enough for me. (**repost: RUclips has an over excited comment bot that is removing comments. This was one of them)
Stay far away from the dream machines and their SPOF. You get it, I’m glad you are doing your research and seeing the Ubiquiti limitations. MikroTik fits a verdin market segment, I use all MikroTik gear for routers as well as their APs for certain deployments. Not one product fits each deployment scenario. Though, MikroTik routers are like Swiss Army knives :) I also have deployed the new cap AC XL units. Very nice, and I would recommend these over the regular cap AC units Cap AC units are good for large open rooms and spaces (or open area outside). Otherwise, a small room with interference. The XL has better antenna design and higher gain. I am happy with the XL. I would also have you look at RB4011 and RB5003
after many years with networks i have mikrotik router yes you can config anything and i mean it and for home wifi i choose tplink deco only for point ot poin i use unifi are awesome!!
Your comment about the beautiful UI and not touching it once setup would be correct apart from the first time you want to change a piece of kit or do something 3-6 months later you have to relearn the user unfriendly interface.
I had ER-X and unfortunately it was very problematic for me. One thing is that UI is very poor in functions - you just need to go to CLI, but it's not an issue. Biggest issue for me was that my ER-X was very unstable at the beginning, but after few FW updates it started to work well... but after just a bit more than one year it totally died... Support is mostly forum based. I'm not going to go with ubnt any more.
I love this content, I have no idea where to start but do you have a recommendation or a home network beginners guide? Lol I was going to build server rack and add a patch panel and call it good but I don’t know anything about home networking but maybe I can learn a thing or two from you! :D
So kind of you to say! Thank you. I haven't thought about doing any kind of network beginners guide. But I will keep sharing as I build out my home network. Maybe then when I have it done and we know it works, I can go back and build a guide. Thanks for the suggestion.
I am total ubiquiti - having zoo of 20+ unifi switches, cams, APs, surge protectors, router, blablabla and one edge switch. But, men, I've saw this 5009 brick a month ago. And this hooked me totally - Why? I just needed something new semi-industrial-nasty-looking with passive cooling, heavy-duty with 400+Mbps + firewalls and QoS + more vlan power + vpns + faster firewall provision compared to USG - so I am starting as mikrotik 5009 + full unifi ecosystem tomorrow (bye my USG firend). I had several options - find something with pfsense OR goto top unifi OR grab red-bad-boys from Watchguard (400+ EUR). Mikrotik won because of price per mbps and low-level config. CONS - 5009 has no stable LTE version yet - OS version is still in dev and testing with long bug and improvement list, it's not recommended for stable production environments.
Well let’s now jump in together and figure out how good (or bad) the latest from MikroTik is. Quite a setup you have. I’m also impressed with the passive cooled solutions. Can’t be quieter than that.
I have three problems with MikroTik. 1. Lack of user friendly UI. It wouldn’t hurt to have a user friendly version along the lines of UniFi and also retain the flexible interface for those who like that type of thing. 2. The lack of tutorials on how to use the products is appalling and those that do exist are mostly, in a surprising turnaround from the norm, not in English. 3. Lack of useful easy to understand documentation which may suit networking experts but could definitely do with more for those who don’t spend every minute of their live playing with routers. 4. Hardware support or lack of it. Wall wart power supply for router lasted about 4-5 months, dealer does not cover replacement of power supplies and MikroTik would not replace as needed to RMA via dealer who, see prior comment. Told to just buy another, but why am I buying products with unreliable Chinese wall warts with no manufacturer backup. 5. Unresponsive to market. 6. MikroTik is cheap for a reason and not just because they are based in Eastern Europe.
Mikrotik are making awesome products except indoor wireless. Mikrotik just can't compete against UniFi 802.11 r/k/v. OK you can use ACL in Mikrotik but it's far from seamless roaming.
Thanks for the comment and warning. When I get more of the house finished I will put in more AP’s. Let’s see how that room to room roaming goes. !!! Wish me luck!
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It does support PoE, 3 power input and one of them is ether1 which is PoE af/at.
Looking for home gear stick to ubnt for more flexibility MT
You may have a point. It does seem for UI or UX experience ubnt is the way to go. However I hear from others that know I lot more than me, MT is extremely flexible. But time will tell if I can prove that fact to myself. I decided to follow the MT path.
I have had my home network over 20 years already and I have some UB and a lot of MT devices in my network. I do not run any services on my network and basically it all is about moving bits around at wire speed (up to 40Gbps). Do what you like, but neither UB nor MT is capable of that. For that reason I have relegated MT gear to be an access device (I see about 50 MT devices in romon at the moment) for long wireless links and central parts are covered by the HPE instead. What comes to UB then it may be fancy, but the cloud based management is not the thing and all gear need to be managed locally. In that regard the MT does not utilize that anyway.
I'm now intrigued. What did you go with to get wire speed? HPE?
@@PaulWarrenEaton I have been on some generations of HPE TOR switches here. I went for the HPE because their boxes are well supported by documentation side and these switches did not require me to have license to get and run firmwares/management software on it. I had several boxes stacked to get me ports required, but found modular consolidation good to have and currently running HPE Flexfabric 5930 4-slot unit JH179A with combination of ports 1,10 and 40 Gbps. The switch can do them all at wire speed with the routing/switching capacity of 2560 Gbps. These units are relatively cheap off eBay, its modules can be used with different HPE Flexfabric 59xx generations if needed. I am inching closer to the 100Gbps...
Repost: Mike Erdely -
I'm looking at prices and all of them are pretty comparable between a Mikrotik RB5009UG+S+IN ($219 USD) vs a Qotom Mini PC 8GB RAM/64 GB SSD, 4 LAN ($265 USD/Amazon) that can run pfSense. A Mikrotik cAP XL ac ($99 USD) vs. Ubiquiti AP Wifi 6 Lite ($99 USD).
You don't need something like a UDM for this. Instead of using a UDM to manage your Ubiquiti APs, you can use the Unifi Controller Home Assistant Add-on to manage them. And like you said in the video, once you have things configured, you're likely not to need to log into the Controller often except to upgrade the APs' firmware every so often.
I have the Qotom running pfSense with the Ubiquiti AP Lites (2 x 6 & 1 older one) in my split level house. I have one on each level. pfSense is very nice firewall/router software. It's easy to use and there's tons of support for it. The wifi coverage in my house (and in my 1/4 acre yard) is excellent.
I have 40 Tasmota devices along with a bunch of other wifi devices (phones, watches, computers, Rokus, smart speakers. It all works well with the Ubiquiti wifi gear. I am personally using dumb netgear gigabit switches where needed in my house, but I could use a smart switch and set up VLANs with the pfSense router, but I don't want the complication of VLANs.
The only thing I see missing from my set up that you were excited about is the 10 Gbps port on the Mikrotik router. 1 Gbps is fast enough for me.
(**repost: RUclips has an over excited comment bot that is removing comments. This was one of them)
Stay far away from the dream machines and their SPOF. You get it, I’m glad you are doing your research and seeing the Ubiquiti limitations. MikroTik fits a verdin market segment, I use all MikroTik gear for routers as well as their APs for certain deployments. Not one product fits each deployment scenario. Though, MikroTik routers are like Swiss Army knives :)
I also have deployed the new cap AC XL units. Very nice, and I would recommend these over the regular cap AC units
Cap AC units are good for large open rooms and spaces (or open area outside). Otherwise, a small room with interference.
The XL has better antenna design and higher gain. I am happy with the XL.
I would also have you look at RB4011 and RB5003
after many years with networks i have mikrotik router yes you can config anything and i mean it and for home wifi i choose tplink deco only for point ot poin i use unifi are awesome!!
Your comment about the beautiful UI and not touching it once setup would be correct apart from the first time you want to change a piece of kit or do something 3-6 months later you have to relearn the user unfriendly interface.
I had ER-X and unfortunately it was very problematic for me. One thing is that UI is very poor in functions - you just need to go to CLI, but it's not an issue. Biggest issue for me was that my ER-X was very unstable at the beginning, but after few FW updates it started to work well... but after just a bit more than one year it totally died... Support is mostly forum based. I'm not going to go with ubnt any more.
I love this content, I have no idea where to start but do you have a recommendation or a home network beginners guide? Lol I was going to build server rack and add a patch panel and call it good but I don’t know anything about home networking but maybe I can learn a thing or two from you! :D
So kind of you to say! Thank you.
I haven't thought about doing any kind of network beginners guide. But I will keep sharing as I build out my home network. Maybe then when I have it done and we know it works, I can go back and build a guide.
Thanks for the suggestion.
I am total ubiquiti - having zoo of 20+ unifi switches, cams, APs, surge protectors, router, blablabla and one edge switch. But, men, I've saw this 5009 brick a month ago. And this hooked me totally - Why? I just needed something new semi-industrial-nasty-looking with passive cooling, heavy-duty with 400+Mbps + firewalls and QoS + more vlan power + vpns + faster firewall provision compared to USG - so I am starting as mikrotik 5009 + full unifi ecosystem tomorrow (bye my USG firend). I had several options - find something with pfsense OR goto top unifi OR grab red-bad-boys from Watchguard (400+ EUR). Mikrotik won because of price per mbps and low-level config. CONS - 5009 has no stable LTE version yet - OS version is still in dev and testing with long bug and improvement list, it's not recommended for stable production environments.
Well let’s now jump in together and figure out how good (or bad) the latest from MikroTik is.
Quite a setup you have. I’m also impressed with the passive cooled solutions. Can’t be quieter than that.
The only one is price!
I have three problems with MikroTik.
1. Lack of user friendly UI. It wouldn’t hurt to have a user friendly version along the lines of UniFi and also retain the flexible interface for those who like that type of thing.
2. The lack of tutorials on how to use the products is appalling and those that do exist are mostly, in a surprising turnaround from the norm, not in English.
3. Lack of useful easy to understand documentation which may suit networking experts but could definitely do with more for those who don’t spend every minute of their live playing with routers.
4. Hardware support or lack of it. Wall wart power supply for router lasted about 4-5 months, dealer does not cover replacement of power supplies and MikroTik would not replace as needed to RMA via dealer who, see prior comment. Told to just buy another, but why am I buying products with unreliable Chinese wall warts with no manufacturer backup.
5. Unresponsive to market.
6. MikroTik is cheap for a reason and not just because they are based in Eastern Europe.
Mikrotik are making awesome products except indoor wireless. Mikrotik just can't compete against UniFi 802.11 r/k/v. OK you can use ACL in Mikrotik but it's far from seamless roaming.
Thanks for the comment and warning. When I get more of the house finished I will put in more AP’s. Let’s see how that room to room roaming goes. !!! Wish me luck!
Ubiquiti competitive on price? Don't make me laugh haha