One important point, you called them 10GBaseT ports, they're not. They're MGBASE-T which is much more interesting because it allows you to mix and match 10Gb, 5Gb, 2.5Gb and 1Gb not just 10 or 10/1. I believe this is the cheapest multigig switch I've seen that supports all 4 speeds.
"Multigig" is not being marketed (explained) very well by the vendors. You explained it better than most. I always assume any SOHO 10G switch will work at 2.5G and 1G but will most people know this?
@jeroen5838 it's not a matter of backwards compatible, 10GBase-T is about a decade older than 2.5 and 5Gb standards. 2.5 and 5Gb came about because many enterprises were getting new wireless access points that were capable of much faster than 1Gb throughput but the cost of running a brand new 10Gb cable plant to support them was very, very high. So the manufacturers said let's take the technology from 10Gb but run it over the lower quality cables from 1Gb plants and run it at lower speeds.
Of course it's mikrotik, who else? Gotta say, I love their product. Enterprise featureset with no bullshit at sub-prosumer prices. My favourite network hardware brand by a distance.
Apart of their hardware i like their software. My main cloud router works on RouterOS. For ultra production environments probably not. But for SMB and labs and enthusiasts there is nothing better. Dot.
What makes me laugh about Mikrotik (in a good way) is their mobile app. It is truly the best networking software I've ever used on a phone - totally comprehensive and better than the consumer nonsense I've used (where it's often mandatory to configure things). There's certainly a learning curve, but I absolutely love every Mikrotik device I own (three) and they're an ace company.
he said "you can only say nice things, you have to pre-share everything" so it's standard influencer contracts. You can only be positive and any video you make about the product must be approved by Ubiquity's marketing team
Its me. I'm who this is for. I've been waiting for something like this so I can finally connect my NAS at high speed without breaking the bank. It's crazy how cheap you can get a ten gig nic for but have to spend so much to get a switch. I already have cat7 wire I got a giant spool on mercari for cheap.
You can do some more complicated stuff than simple connectivity (at 10G speeds). You can do stateless access control lists, L3 hardware offloading, VLANs, etc. Reading RouterOS Bridging and Switching manual is good way to start learning about them.
Because my network is quite small, I have a CRS305 as my core switch. It's brilliant. If I ever have to upgrade, I'll keep the CRS305 as a backup. And the upgrade will also be Mikrotik.
Last time I purchased Mikrotik was because of this channel, I purchased the lovely Mikrotik CRS305-1G-4S+IN in 2020, and have been doing 10G SFP+ networking ever since. Think I might put this new one alongside it.
Re: 4 power inputs, if it's the same as their other devices it uses power from the highest input voltage source so you can have some control over where it's drawing from.
The four inputs may be not merely available to 'choose from' but may also be a type of 'active' redundancy where you can have "power at all of them with no fear of shorting and it will use the one at the top of it's programmed priority list, and if that fails, fall back to the next listed source current. the DC terminal block on the side would be best fed by a properly current and voltage managed battery bank, but I am sure the device manages that as well. Looks like great stuff. A lot of thought goes into being able to accept such a broad range on those rear ports. They may even be able to rectify and us AC in that voltage range. I used to make a "transformerless" power supply that would accept DC on the "AC" input and still operate as the switcher it was.
Mikrotik is really the best prosumer value by a mile! Sure, Winbox isn't as beautiful and easy to use as other brands GUI but it works and can be about as powerful as you'd like. 👌
Shame it doesn't have 1-2 combo SFP+ ports. My main problem with the CRS305 and Flex-XG is that invariably I need a mix of ports. I've soured on using 10GBase-T SFP+ adapters 'cause I typically need this stuff in unconditioned space and the heat eventually kills them.
1:39 - I learn tid bits of info about tech and the companies that make that tech on this channel because he is very honest and transparent. And dude...I really appreciate that 1:50 - 😂Flexing on'em too. Everyone else does sign it. Thanks for that
They make decent products, but all their early reviews of new products have a smell to them, you could tell such an agreement existed without being told.
@@unicodefox Not accusing anyone. Just saying we declined the NDA that is different from the dozens of other companies we have worked with over the years. We do not agree to things like pre-sharing reviews and feedback. We typically show folks inside machines, so we will not agree to disassemble and so forth. It is OK. We can just buy items we want to show.
Was looking for a 2.5gbe switch this morning. A MikroTik 10GBE for $200. Holy Toledo! I would like to see an affordable 8 port or 9 port MikroTik 10GBE managed switch.
It already exists, as long as you're ok with SFP+. CRS309-1G-8S+IN. For a homelab I think that one is a better buy, and makes this one look overpriced. At $149 this would be killer.
I built over 20 complete satellite baseband gateways consisting of about 8 racks each and a double double redundancy thing going in each, so the gateway had two 8 meter dishes outside each location. I loaded more Cisco and Juniper and yada yada yada, ad infinitum SFP+ etc. port filled server cards, hooked 'em up and set up the operations of them, and then broke everything down for transport to each location where they put them all back together again with all the same cable bundles, all labelled from the initial build. This was back in 2010. Those fiber ports were hundreds of dollars each then.
You've reviewed soooo many products now and much of it good for a home lab. I would love to see a video from you over specing a home lab at different price points. 1 unit small, 2 unit small, 3 unit small, 3 unit 2.5gbit, 3 unit 10gbit, 3 unit dream lab (Desktop form factor), 3 unit used enterprise (Racked). Maybe add a little info about local vs NAS storage in it too. We need to keep these kids interested in tech that isn't just phones and tablets.
@@ServeTheHomeVideomake it a two month special of one of the home lab configurations. Make 6 configurations and do a yearly update. Especially interested in the dream lab, just like I love the other gear I can't afford 😂
11:21 a blank cisco switch will have all ports configured as a switchport in vlan 1 which is a flat non-segmented plug and play network within one broadcast domain, just like this device comes out of the box. so, as long as the enterprise switch you buy off ebay is wiped (all the ones ive bought have been) then it'll be plug and play too. the main point of these is being small form factor, low power usage, and non complex. but, if those aren't main motivators for you i've seen 9300-24UX devices selling for $240 on ebay. dead quiet too. the secondhand market is fuego right now.
Right. Small, _CHEAP,_ and low power are the points. Management is all but useless on such a small switch. There's next to nothing anyone would typically need to configure. (maybe jumbo, and few vlans... but most switches default to their max frame size.) Having a means to see traffic rates could be a nice "geek" feature for some.
If you get a switch from a dedicated IT reseller it will probably be wiped. The 24 port 1GbE HP I got a month ago from an individual was most definitely not wiped.
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Really glad I found this channel and subscribed! I'm in the process of upgrading my network from telegraph wires and sounders to something more modern and practical, and this item certainly looks useful.
I still would like to see a 8 or 10 port 10GbE switch like this.. why don't we have that? I mean I want to replace my 10 port 1GBE switch with a 10GbE switch, so my home network can finally leverage my CAT6a cables and 10GbE network cards..
TP-Link also use Marvel 98DX8208A series CPU and Marvel AQRate PHY's inside their 10GbE TL-SX105 5 port unmanaged fanless switch - a 4 port AQrate 10GbE PHY and a single port 10GbE PHY to make up the 5th port (The 8 port version in the TL-SX series is also using a similar Marvel CPU and PHY setup, that unit has fans which people have generally swapped out for quiter brands). The 5 port TP-Link switch also has an unpopulated SFP cage circuit on the PCB, which is a real shame as SFP+ would have been a great addition as an uplink port. I bought one 5 years ago for £200-ish and its been a solid performer so far, its basically paid for itself.
Seems like that switch costs $300 at the moment. A $100 more for one extra port, and a lack of any management capabilities. Hopefully this release causes TP-Link to drop the prices of that switch
@@Vmadiath It was cheaper pre-plandemic which is when I got mine, it retails in my region today for ~£230, all those first generation of consumer oriented 10GbE switches went crazy overpriced in western markets and have never come back down, the QNAP QSW 10GbE white box switches went the same way, for example the QSW-M408-4C started out at ~£250 almost immediately went out of stock and now you will rarely if ever find it for under £380.
Ah that's very cool! Perfect for home use. Where it's nice that it's fanless. And you can still do some things like vlan's if you want to separate some devices. Very cool. Wil probably replace my loud cisco switch with this one.
I actually think the CRS305 is the one I would go with. It is cheaper which should help you absorb the cost of the more expensive transievers. I like the versatility of the CRS305 though. It can be a switch that will last me now while I have copper devices but also allow be to be more forward looking in my networking as I will be able to migrate to fiber easier.
a 10 gbit transceiver is like $40, so the CRS304 is still coming out ahead. Also while CRS305 can use copper transceivers, they are very hot and it will overheat without airflow. It's really meant only for SFP+ cables or optic transceivers only. If you need copper 10Gbit it's better to get a CRS304.
@@marcogenovesi8570 Well yes some transceivers are around the $40 mark but I see a lot in the $30-35 range. Also you likely wouldn't need to put every one of these with 10GbaseT. Most devices don't come ready with 10Gbps networking so you are probably needing to get an addin card anyway for them if you want them to run at faster speeds anyway which means you can simply choose an optical one. They are generally cheaper anyway. Yes you do need to buy the transceiver still but you can get a sfp28 one for like $20. Oh and if you don't care about the 10G speeds you just want it to be backwards compatible you should be getting a different switch in the first place the CSS106-1G-4P-1S is like $55.
I might go with this because of wireguard they provide. Want to be able to "securely" access my idrac from anywhere in the world so I can check up on my gaming server if it goes down for any reason.
That green 2-pin DC in? That's the standard power input in automation cabinets and the like, basically anywhere you would actually find a DIN rail. It's... weirdly placed, I don't like it, but hey, it's there. Non-locking barrel jack as the only power input on their cheaper switches was the primary reason we went with Teltonika instead. Didn't need fast, but needed something we could mount in a cabinet (that was doable with MikroTik) and where the power plug won't slide out due to vibrations. MikroTik... it had only a barrel jack, and the way we would've had to mount it was facing downward.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo What you guys can do, buy a DIN rail - they should be relatively cheap, and 3D print a base for it. Not only would it look nice on the set, could also give you a better idea of how the stuff handles.
A little footnote about FedExing an SSD: I remember doing that back in the '80s except with floppies because that was way too much data back then to send by modem. How thing have changed - or gotten bigger
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Yep, same problem as back then, just more bytes. Astronomers still use sneakernet because they need to transfer petabytes all the time. Another great video BTW
@@RaytheonTechnologies_Official When I took data communications one of the exam questions was to describe the data transfer characteristics of a 747 full of discs (Basically large packet size with high latency)
I’ll admit that I went fully Chinese for my home network. I have 2 small switches powering my home. One ist the only affordable 4x SFP+ and 4x 10G RJ45 switch I found (no, not QNAP) and for low bandwidth I use the SFP+ and 10G RJ45 with 4x 2.5g Haswell. Firewall is a virtual OPNSense. The only feature of the switches I use are VLans, but I could even group the devices by switches and use them unmanaged. Sure, this is no fancy setup and you can’t tinker with established UI, but for the price there was no serious competition. With the additional ports I connected my main storage and hypervisor with dual 10G link aggregation. With DAC for short range and the ability to reuse Cat6 in house cabling with the additional ports this combo was a perfect fit for me.
Or, if one has a three servers Proxmox CEPH cluser, that could be the replication network backbone with one uplink to another switch with a 10Gbps input. I think Mikrotik should have done a five 10Gbps switch with one management. It can handle VLAN I would suppose and that allows for all sorts for wonderful demarcations.
I did not know that about the Ubiquity NDA stuff, can’t say that I’m ok with that. Gonna have to shop around a bit more when I need to replace things. Sucks because I kind like their equipment lol
In the market for a router that supports OpenClash and offers 10GbE connectivity, the Qhora-322 appears to be an optimal choice. Could you please confirm if this is indeed the most suitable option?
Hi, few suggestions... This device heavily relies on passive cooling, but i was not able to find the "supported orientation" by Microtik on the official site, neither here. As far as I can see from photos and your footage, supported orientation is "white plastic up, rubber feet down" for horizzontal and "ports down, power connectors up" for the vertical. I hope that rear/up DC connectors are protected with a removable cap. As CRS305 (and such) PoE in is supported, but I guess that... should be 802.3at/Type 2/PoE+ standard compliant, due to power consumption. Mikrotik reports "802.3af/at" on specs sheet, but i doubt with 4 ports conected and running will work with.. 13 watts. I'd love to see more PoE tests (and lab validation) for "what's needed" for PoE-powered devices.
I have a few cheap 2.5 g switches with SFP ports, with 10G base T add-ins for backhaul and connecting my NAS and workstation at 10 gigs. Those add-ins get fiery hot, I have no idea how they survive, actually burn myself brushing my hand against those a couple of times now.
I only need 2 x 10G ports but the QNAP 2 x 10G and 4 x 2.5G and it's cousins all have reliability issues. I had to ebay one at a loss after 6 months of dealing with connectivity drops.
I want this but I don't want to pay for shipping! Haha, I will probably bite the bullet but Amazon doesn't have any available. I am sure they won't have any for a long time.
Now we just need to start to see motherboards with 10G, my X370 board had 5G my X470 had 10G but oh your want more than 2.5G on a modern AMD board they are few and far between.
But in my world "managed" means that I can feed it one cable that carries for example three VLAN's and those VLAN's would then each have their own port on the switch!
Can you please check out and review the Alta Labs Route 10!! this seems very similar except I believe the Alta Labs router has very good features for a homelab
Why are you focusing only on the max spec? There are relevant in-betweens! I've got the specs from the geizhals price search/comparison engine (Guten Tag! 😉) - it seems to be multi-gig, indeed: 1G/2.5G/5G/10G …BASE-T (the management port seems to support 10/100/1G)
Modern 10Gbase-T NICs and switch chips support 2.5/5GbE. We have just transitioned into calling them out when they do not at this point. Like many 1GbE ports support 10/100M but nobody talks about that anymore. Since the chips transitioned 5+ years ago, we moved to calling out when they do not support it
We just have a policy that folks do not get to see reviews before they are published. I have a JD, and went all the way to their lawyers to explain why we should not have to sign the agreement. All OK, just not something we will do.
@ I appreciate that. I know quite a few reviewers who also won’t let companies get to see videos before we do, and those are typically who I subscribe to. Integrity is important.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo my only argument is that it's not okay. It's fine to share videos in advance, and be restricted on a paid piece of work - sponsored video - it's not acceptable to make that demand for people simply reviewing loan hardware (I was a journalist for years, and I worry people don't understand this stuff because it has a massive impact on trust).
Does anyone have a comparison of the actual PHY power consumption when a 10 GbE connection is manually configured as 5 GbE? Does it significantly reduce the power consumption or does it not matter?
You said that doing L3 stuff on that thing will bring it to its knees, but doesn't this chip allow for route hardware offloading? I doing care about firewalling at all, but doing some funky BGP setup would be pretty fun.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo who runs that kind of storage at home? I mean with thousands of USD worth of pure nvme storage it will be possible. So, who is this switch for? I don't get it.
That's fantastic. I love Mikrotik... but I can't EVER find their switches in stock. Do you have a preferred vendor where the switches are actually in stock ever?
Does this properly support 2.5 and 5 ethernet speed modes? Maybe my knowledge is outdated, but that was also a downside of old enterprise gear; only 10gbe and 1, not 2.5 and 5. At these prices it starts to make sense to upgrade switches and make sure the cables are the bottleneck.
answered by andrewfidel2220 10 hours ago One important point, you called them 10GBaseT ports, they're not. They're MGBASE-T which is much more interesting because it allows you to mix and match 10Gb, 5Gb, 2.5Gb and 1Gb not just 10 or 10/1. I believe this is the cheapest multigig switch I've seen that supports all 4 speeds.
I think most of us are waiting for a good 2.5G Switch (1 or 2 SFP+ Uplinks, 8-10 2.5G Ports in a L009/Rb5009 case), wich would perfectly companion the rb5009
I'm a bit confused about the throughput (9:37). For example, Let's say that the 4 10 GbE devices that are plugged in are a file server (which can handle serving data at 10 Gb/s), and 3 workstations. And let's assume that generally only one workstation at a time is doing significant data access to the file server. What would be the throughput that the one workstation will get? 2000 Mbps? or 5000 Mbps (10000/2)? or the full 10000 Mbps?
Re: side mounted LEDs. If the device was mounted on the DIN rail, they'd be in the perfect position, you'd be looking straight at them. With them being on the ports, it's kinda meh, since you need to bend over or crouch to see the lights.
Still... There will be people that will go out and buy it so they can have cheap 10gig router just to realize it's not meant to be one. I blame Mikrotik's confusing naming scheme (Cloud router switch) Otherwise great product, I love Mikrotik's flexibility with ROS.
Good Video but it leaves many blanks. This is a managed switch and the review was more on "plug and play" side... (why go managed then!) The review is full of statements which are fairly subjective (speed, management capabilities, L2 performance...) I my case I have a dual 10G nic on my home server with proxmox and this seems like a nice tool to have to layer all my connections correctly without loosing the 10g advantage at the cost two good quality sfp+ 10g to RJ45 Transceivers!
theres a $100 $125 switch out there, been for years. i cant believe how slow, most of you are, i bought into 10gbe in 2011 buying used nics on ebay, and a used switch. im on 25gbe now, moving up to 100gbe.
Can you set up VLANs and trunk ports? I’ve been runnin a $300 8 port mokerlink from Amazon for over a year, no troubles, fully managed. Could use some more ports but definitely need real management.
it's still a little on the expensive side, but it's still great to see a fairly inexpensive 10g switch... for $199 though, i'd want at least an 8 port switch.
Since it is new, usually products stick close to the MSRP of $199. The CRS305 is $149 list, we bought the one in the video for $127, and years ago I think we bought one for like $120 or less. Usually after a product has been out for a few weeks/ months the resellers get competitive and street prices decrease on MikroTik.
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One important point, you called them 10GBaseT ports, they're not. They're MGBASE-T which is much more interesting because it allows you to mix and match 10Gb, 5Gb, 2.5Gb and 1Gb not just 10 or 10/1. I believe this is the cheapest multigig switch I've seen that supports all 4 speeds.
This is the exact information I came to the comments looking for. Thanks!
Thanks! I just asked this as well in another comment! Must have info.
"Multigig" is not being marketed (explained) very well by the vendors. You explained it better than most. I always assume any SOHO 10G switch will work at 2.5G and 1G but will most people know this?
Is 10gbase-t not backwards compatible otherwise?
@jeroen5838 it's not a matter of backwards compatible, 10GBase-T is about a decade older than 2.5 and 5Gb standards. 2.5 and 5Gb came about because many enterprises were getting new wireless access points that were capable of much faster than 1Gb throughput but the cost of running a brand new 10Gb cable plant to support them was very, very high. So the manufacturers said let's take the technology from 10Gb but run it over the lower quality cables from 1Gb plants and run it at lower speeds.
Of course it's mikrotik, who else?
Gotta say, I love their product. Enterprise featureset with no bullshit at sub-prosumer prices. My favourite network hardware brand by a distance.
Apart of their hardware i like their software. My main cloud router works on RouterOS. For ultra production environments probably not. But for SMB and labs and enthusiasts there is nothing better. Dot.
@@Xerimarionthe ISP I use runs on Mikrotik, and they have less downtime than the previous one that used Cisco. 😅
What makes me laugh about Mikrotik (in a good way) is their mobile app. It is truly the best networking software I've ever used on a phone - totally comprehensive and better than the consumer nonsense I've used (where it's often mandatory to configure things). There's certainly a learning curve, but I absolutely love every Mikrotik device I own (three) and they're an ace company.
Could you please elaborate more on the Ubiquiti NDA ?
he said "you can only say nice things, you have to pre-share everything" so it's standard influencer contracts. You can only be positive and any video you make about the product must be approved by Ubiquity's marketing team
@@marcogenovesi8570 Why couldn't they just buy the Ubiquiti gear and review it?
@@marcogenovesi8570this is a big deal, would love to see the nda published and someone to do a video about it
@@marcogenovesi8570 That's reason enough for me to never even consider buying Ubiquity.
@@Rosko333 They can of course. But they are expensive and Patrick prefers to spend his money buying and reviewing a bunch of chinese switches instead.
cheap 10g rj45 with more than 2 ports! at last!
Also silent/ fanless!
This is exactly what I've been waiting for.
i've been looking for a 10GbaseT switch that has 3+ ports at a decent price for a while now, this is perfect. thanks for the review!
Pity it's only 4 ports but super glad to have an option that's affordable, 10-gig, >2 ports, low power & not a dodgy/chinese brand.
4-ports is not for everyone, but for a lot of folks, this is going to be all they need.
Its me. I'm who this is for. I've been waiting for something like this so I can finally connect my NAS at high speed without breaking the bank. It's crazy how cheap you can get a ten gig nic for but have to spend so much to get a switch. I already have cat7 wire I got a giant spool on mercari for cheap.
You can do some more complicated stuff than simple connectivity (at 10G speeds). You can do stateless access control lists, L3 hardware offloading, VLANs, etc. Reading RouterOS Bridging and Switching manual is good way to start learning about them.
Because my network is quite small, I have a CRS305 as my core switch. It's brilliant. If I ever have to upgrade, I'll keep the CRS305 as a backup. And the upgrade will also be Mikrotik.
Seems like a nice switch but gets pricey when you have to start adding 4 SFP adapters
Last time I purchased Mikrotik was because of this channel, I purchased the lovely Mikrotik CRS305-1G-4S+IN in 2020, and have been doing 10G SFP+ networking ever since. Think I might put this new one alongside it.
Happy Mikrotik customer here 👏
Re: 4 power inputs, if it's the same as their other devices it uses power from the highest input voltage source so you can have some control over where it's drawing from.
The four inputs may be not merely available to 'choose from' but may also be a type of 'active' redundancy where you can have "power at all of them with no fear of shorting and it will use the one at the top of it's programmed priority list, and if that fails, fall back to the next listed source current. the DC terminal block on the side would be best fed by a properly current and voltage managed battery bank, but I am sure the device manages that as well. Looks like great stuff. A lot of thought goes into being able to accept such a broad range on those rear ports. They may even be able to rectify and us AC in that voltage range. I used to make a "transformerless" power supply that would accept DC on the "AC" input and still operate as the switcher it was.
Mikrotik is really the best prosumer value by a mile! Sure, Winbox isn't as beautiful and easy to use as other brands GUI but it works and can be about as powerful as you'd like. 👌
Have you seen the new Winbox beta? We showed it in the review. It looks better. There is still a lot in RouterOS for folks to get confused with.
Shame it doesn't have 1-2 combo SFP+ ports. My main problem with the CRS305 and Flex-XG is that invariably I need a mix of ports. I've soured on using 10GBase-T SFP+ adapters 'cause I typically need this stuff in unconditioned space and the heat eventually kills them.
1:39 - I learn tid bits of info about tech and the companies that make that tech on this channel because he is very honest and transparent. And dude...I really appreciate that 1:50 - 😂Flexing on'em too. Everyone else does sign it. Thanks for that
Dunking on Ubiquiti - EPIC!
Not dunking. Just letting folks know why.
They make decent products, but all their early reviews of new products have a smell to them, you could tell such an agreement existed without being told.
@@ServeTheHomeVideoaccusing everyone else of being a liar and breaking the law is kinda wild
@@unicodefox Not accusing anyone. Just saying we declined the NDA that is different from the dozens of other companies we have worked with over the years. We do not agree to things like pre-sharing reviews and feedback. We typically show folks inside machines, so we will not agree to disassemble and so forth. It is OK. We can just buy items we want to show.
I also don't like ubiquiti
Was looking for a 2.5gbe switch this morning. A MikroTik 10GBE for $200. Holy Toledo! I would like to see an affordable 8 port or 9 port MikroTik 10GBE managed switch.
It already exists, as long as you're ok with SFP+. CRS309-1G-8S+IN. For a homelab I think that one is a better buy, and makes this one look overpriced. At $149 this would be killer.
That would be great too, but I think this is a decent option for a lot of folks.
Where can these be purchased?
I built over 20 complete satellite baseband gateways consisting of about 8 racks each and a double double redundancy thing going in each, so the gateway had two 8 meter dishes outside each location. I loaded more Cisco and Juniper and yada yada yada, ad infinitum SFP+ etc. port filled server cards, hooked 'em up and set up the operations of them, and then broke everything down for transport to each location where they put them all back together again with all the same cable bundles, all labelled from the initial build. This was back in 2010. Those fiber ports were hundreds of dollars each then.
You've reviewed soooo many products now and much of it good for a home lab. I would love to see a video from you over specing a home lab at different price points. 1 unit small, 2 unit small, 3 unit small, 3 unit 2.5gbit, 3 unit 10gbit, 3 unit dream lab (Desktop form factor), 3 unit used enterprise (Racked). Maybe add a little info about local vs NAS storage in it too. We need to keep these kids interested in tech that isn't just phones and tablets.
Maybe that is a better main site guide? It is easier to update on a website versus a video.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo We do love your videos though.
@@ServeTheHomeVideomake it a two month special of one of the home lab configurations. Make 6 configurations and do a yearly update. Especially interested in the dream lab, just like I love the other gear I can't afford 😂
11:21
a blank cisco switch will have all ports configured as a switchport in vlan 1 which is a flat non-segmented plug and play network within one broadcast domain, just like this device comes out of the box. so, as long as the enterprise switch you buy off ebay is wiped (all the ones ive bought have been) then it'll be plug and play too.
the main point of these is being small form factor, low power usage, and non complex.
but, if those aren't main motivators for you i've seen 9300-24UX devices selling for $240 on ebay. dead quiet too. the secondhand market is fuego right now.
Right. Small, _CHEAP,_ and low power are the points. Management is all but useless on such a small switch. There's next to nothing anyone would typically need to configure. (maybe jumbo, and few vlans... but most switches default to their max frame size.) Having a means to see traffic rates could be a nice "geek" feature for some.
If you get a switch from a dedicated IT reseller it will probably be wiped. The 24 port 1GbE HP I got a month ago from an individual was most definitely not wiped.
Intelligence is compression of information.This is one of the most useful videos I believe I have ever watched on RUclips.
"I absolutely love this channel! The content is always top-notch, informative, and crafted with such care. Every video offers valuable insights and presents topics in a clear and engaging way. You can really see the effort and dedication put into every detail, consistently delivering useful and interesting information. Thank you for creating such an amazing space to learn and be inspired. Keep up the fantastic work!
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Finally! **
Exactly. I think folks are going to like this one.
Really glad I found this channel and subscribed! I'm in the process of upgrading my network from telegraph wires and sounders to something more modern and practical, and this item certainly looks useful.
I still would like to see a 8 or 10 port 10GbE switch like this.. why don't we have that? I mean I want to replace my 10 port 1GBE switch with a 10GbE switch, so my home network can finally leverage my CAT6a cables and 10GbE network cards..
Still needs to be fanless, since this switch will be put inside the home (not the garage)
TP-Link also use Marvel 98DX8208A series CPU and Marvel AQRate PHY's inside their 10GbE TL-SX105 5 port unmanaged fanless switch - a 4 port AQrate 10GbE PHY and a single port 10GbE PHY to make up the 5th port (The 8 port version in the TL-SX series is also using a similar Marvel CPU and PHY setup, that unit has fans which people have generally swapped out for quiter brands).
The 5 port TP-Link switch also has an unpopulated SFP cage circuit on the PCB, which is a real shame as SFP+ would have been a great addition as an uplink port.
I bought one 5 years ago for £200-ish and its been a solid performer so far, its basically paid for itself.
Seems like that switch costs $300 at the moment. A $100 more for one extra port, and a lack of any management capabilities. Hopefully this release causes TP-Link to drop the prices of that switch
Good to know.
@@Vmadiath It was cheaper pre-plandemic which is when I got mine, it retails in my region today for ~£230, all those first generation of consumer oriented 10GbE switches went crazy overpriced in western markets and have never come back down, the QNAP QSW 10GbE white box switches went the same way, for example the QSW-M408-4C started out at ~£250 almost immediately went out of stock and now you will rarely if ever find it for under £380.
Ah that's very cool! Perfect for home use. Where it's nice that it's fanless. And you can still do some things like vlan's if you want to separate some devices. Very cool. Wil probably replace my loud cisco switch with this one.
wow, was looking at this exact switch yesterday, got me some 10gbe nic's in the mail as well
Awesome!
I actually think the CRS305 is the one I would go with. It is cheaper which should help you absorb the cost of the more expensive transievers. I like the versatility of the CRS305 though. It can be a switch that will last me now while I have copper devices but also allow be to be more forward looking in my networking as I will be able to migrate to fiber easier.
a 10 gbit transceiver is like $40, so the CRS304 is still coming out ahead.
Also while CRS305 can use copper transceivers, they are very hot and it will overheat without airflow. It's really meant only for SFP+ cables or optic transceivers only.
If you need copper 10Gbit it's better to get a CRS304.
Yes.
@@marcogenovesi8570 Well yes some transceivers are around the $40 mark but I see a lot in the $30-35 range. Also you likely wouldn't need to put every one of these with 10GbaseT. Most devices don't come ready with 10Gbps networking so you are probably needing to get an addin card anyway for them if you want them to run at faster speeds anyway which means you can simply choose an optical one. They are generally cheaper anyway. Yes you do need to buy the transceiver still but you can get a sfp28 one for like $20. Oh and if you don't care about the 10G speeds you just want it to be backwards compatible you should be getting a different switch in the first place the CSS106-1G-4P-1S is like $55.
I might go with this because of wireguard they provide. Want to be able to "securely" access my idrac from anywhere in the world so I can check up on my gaming server if it goes down for any reason.
That green 2-pin DC in? That's the standard power input in automation cabinets and the like, basically anywhere you would actually find a DIN rail. It's... weirdly placed, I don't like it, but hey, it's there. Non-locking barrel jack as the only power input on their cheaper switches was the primary reason we went with Teltonika instead. Didn't need fast, but needed something we could mount in a cabinet (that was doable with MikroTik) and where the power plug won't slide out due to vibrations. MikroTik... it had only a barrel jack, and the way we would've had to mount it was facing downward.
Good points
@@ServeTheHomeVideo What you guys can do, buy a DIN rail - they should be relatively cheap, and 3D print a base for it. Not only would it look nice on the set, could also give you a better idea of how the stuff handles.
This would be great for a lower-power storage cluster, using CEPH or something similar
Yes it would
I'm looking forward to a 25 gig version of that CRS305
Yes
Seems like a pretty nice home option. What's the cheapest wired router you'd pair it with for 1gbps fios and reasonable SQM? Or miniPC+opnsense?
A little footnote about FedExing an SSD: I remember doing that back in the '80s except with floppies because that was way too much data back then to send by modem. How thing have changed - or gotten bigger
From Memphis TN, FedEx has great service (their hub is in Memphis) and hotel WiFi when uploading hundreds of GB can be sketchy.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Yep, same problem as back then, just more bytes. Astronomers still use sneakernet because they need to transfer petabytes all the time. Another great video BTW
"Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway". -Andrew Tanenbaum, 1981.
@@RaytheonTechnologies_Official When I took data communications one of the exam questions was to describe the data transfer characteristics of a 747 full of discs (Basically large packet size with high latency)
@@RaytheonTechnologies_Official Indeed. "TAPE" is where I was headed. I know several telco's that still ship call records by tape every single day.
I’ll admit that I went fully Chinese for my home network. I have 2 small switches powering my home. One ist the only affordable 4x SFP+ and 4x 10G RJ45 switch I found (no, not QNAP) and for low bandwidth I use the SFP+ and 10G RJ45 with 4x 2.5g Haswell. Firewall is a virtual OPNSense. The only feature of the switches I use are VLans, but I could even group the devices by switches and use them unmanaged.
Sure, this is no fancy setup and you can’t tinker with established UI, but for the price there was no serious competition. With the additional ports I connected my main storage and hypervisor with dual 10G link aggregation. With DAC for short range and the ability to reuse Cat6 in house cabling with the additional ports this combo was a perfect fit for me.
Mind sharing the exact model? Am looking for something very similar
@ Xikestor SKS7300-4X4T
Or, if one has a three servers Proxmox CEPH cluser, that could be the replication network backbone with one uplink to another switch with a 10Gbps input. I think Mikrotik should have done a five 10Gbps switch with one management. It can handle VLAN I would suppose and that allows for all sorts for wonderful demarcations.
I did not know that about the Ubiquity NDA stuff, can’t say that I’m ok with that. Gonna have to shop around a bit more when I need to replace things. Sucks because I kind like their equipment lol
In the market for a router that supports OpenClash and offers 10GbE connectivity, the Qhora-322 appears to be an optimal choice. Could you please confirm if this is indeed the most suitable option?
Hi, few suggestions...
This device heavily relies on passive cooling, but i was not able to find the "supported orientation" by Microtik on the official site, neither here. As far as I can see from photos and your footage, supported orientation is "white plastic up, rubber feet down" for horizzontal and "ports down, power connectors up" for the vertical. I hope that rear/up DC connectors are protected with a removable cap.
As CRS305 (and such) PoE in is supported, but I guess that... should be 802.3at/Type 2/PoE+ standard compliant, due to power consumption. Mikrotik reports "802.3af/at" on specs sheet, but i doubt with 4 ports conected and running will work with.. 13 watts. I'd love to see more PoE tests (and lab validation) for "what's needed" for PoE-powered devices.
I have a few cheap 2.5 g switches with SFP ports, with 10G base T add-ins for backhaul and connecting my NAS and workstation at 10 gigs. Those add-ins get fiery hot, I have no idea how they survive, actually burn myself brushing my hand against those a couple of times now.
Already ticking along in my setup, currently as a pure switch. Not that hot as I feared, but still not as chill as a 1 gbit of course.
Would have been nice if this had one SFP+ port.
I only need 2 x 10G ports but the QNAP 2 x 10G and 4 x 2.5G and it's cousins all have reliability issues. I had to ebay one at a loss after 6 months of dealing with connectivity drops.
Nice, on my wish list to connect to my NAS at 10Gb.
Yes, this will make a big difference.
I cannot complaint about this for the price and speed. POE please? That would make it an instant purchase in my home.
I want this but I don't want to pay for shipping! Haha, I will probably bite the bullet but Amazon doesn't have any available. I am sure they won't have any for a long time.
Costs more upfront, but buying 4-8x SP+ to RJ45 adapters is like 10x more when all and done.
Yes
Good explanation. Thanks
Now we just need to start to see motherboards with 10G, my X370 board had 5G my X470 had 10G but oh your want more than 2.5G on a modern AMD board they are few and far between.
We will have a dual 10Gbase-T mini PC video later today
But in my world "managed" means that I can feed it one cable that carries for example three VLAN's and those VLAN's would then each have their own port on the switch!
You can do that with this switch.
Can you please check out and review the Alta Labs Route 10!! this seems very similar except I believe the Alta Labs router has very good features for a homelab
Why are you focusing only on the max spec? There are relevant in-betweens! I've got the specs from the geizhals price search/comparison engine (Guten Tag! 😉) - it seems to be multi-gig, indeed: 1G/2.5G/5G/10G …BASE-T (the management port seems to support 10/100/1G)
Modern 10Gbase-T NICs and switch chips support 2.5/5GbE. We have just transitioned into calling them out when they do not at this point. Like many 1GbE ports support 10/100M but nobody talks about that anymore. Since the chips transitioned 5+ years ago, we moved to calling out when they do not support it
@@ServeTheHomeVideo meh, i wasn't aware that this is included, nowadays. It'd be kinda neat, if you'd include the multi-gig capability, though. ;)
You just made me decide never to buy a Ubiquiti produxt. I can’t support companies that force positive reviews.
We just have a policy that folks do not get to see reviews before they are published. I have a JD, and went all the way to their lawyers to explain why we should not have to sign the agreement. All OK, just not something we will do.
@ I appreciate that. I know quite a few reviewers who also won’t let companies get to see videos before we do, and those are typically who I subscribe to. Integrity is important.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo my only argument is that it's not okay. It's fine to share videos in advance, and be restricted on a paid piece of work - sponsored video - it's not acceptable to make that demand for people simply reviewing loan hardware (I was a journalist for years, and I worry people don't understand this stuff because it has a massive impact on trust).
Does anyone have a comparison of the actual PHY power consumption when a 10 GbE connection is manually configured as 5 GbE? Does it significantly reduce the power consumption or does it not matter?
Winner Winner, Network Engineer approved!
You said that doing L3 stuff on that thing will bring it to its knees, but doesn't this chip allow for route hardware offloading? I doing care about firewalling at all, but doing some funky BGP setup would be pretty fun.
I'd pair this up with a cheaper off brand like a 8 port 10g NICGIGGA for more 10g unmanaged ports
Or a 2-port 10Gbase-T plus 4 or 8 port 2.5GbE switch.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo a two port switch? What’s the point? 🤔
What application could fully saturate copper 10G ports?
Just storage could do this.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo who runs that kind of storage at home? I mean with thousands of USD worth of pure nvme storage it will be possible. So, who is this switch for? I don't get it.
That's fantastic. I love Mikrotik... but I can't EVER find their switches in stock. Do you have a preferred vendor where the switches are actually in stock ever?
Does this properly support 2.5 and 5 ethernet speed modes? Maybe my knowledge is outdated, but that was also a downside of old enterprise gear; only 10gbe and 1, not 2.5 and 5. At these prices it starts to make sense to upgrade switches and make sure the cables are the bottleneck.
answered by andrewfidel2220
10 hours ago
One important point, you called them 10GBaseT ports, they're not. They're MGBASE-T which is much more interesting because it allows you to mix and match 10Gb, 5Gb, 2.5Gb and 1Gb not just 10 or 10/1. I believe this is the cheapest multigig switch I've seen that supports all 4 speeds.
Yes, but once you want like 2 ports of 2.5GbE and two of 10GbE it is much cheaper to go with a different switch
Like, that seems super good, but it's just so hard to justify over getting a sodola or something...
Wonder how much longevity you can get out of it
The CRS305 and CRS326 have been running for years. We had one power supply fail but we just swapped it out
I think most of us are waiting for a good 2.5G Switch (1 or 2 SFP+ Uplinks, 8-10 2.5G Ports in a L009/Rb5009 case), wich would perfectly companion the rb5009
Unrelated to the video but the STH merch is sweet!
Ha!
Do the 10-gig ports also support a 5-gigabit mode? Many of the X870 motherboards are starting to come with 5-gigabit ethernet.
I'm a bit confused about the throughput (9:37). For example, Let's say that the 4 10 GbE devices that are plugged in are a file server (which can handle serving data at 10 Gb/s), and 3 workstations. And let's assume that generally only one workstation at a time is doing significant data access to the file server. What would be the throughput that the one workstation will get? 2000 Mbps? or 5000 Mbps (10000/2)? or the full 10000 Mbps?
As long as it's in switching mode you should always get the full 10Gbps if I get the stats correctly
Awesome! Love all my Mikrotik hardware!
Hey Patrick, you made me look forward to this switch more than the next-gen Nintendo Switch. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 (I guess that's adulthood~)
I would love this switch - but can't buy it in the USA....
Give it a few days or weeks.
Re: side mounted LEDs. If the device was mounted on the DIN rail, they'd be in the perfect position, you'd be looking straight at them. With them being on the ports, it's kinda meh, since you need to bend over or crouch to see the lights.
The best is probably to have duplicate indicators in both locations.
@eDoc2020 that's the problem with multipurpose devices. Suddenly you have to do stuff like duplicating the LEDs.
@@jaskij For something like (a single board device) this it would be a negligible cost.
Please recommend a 10GbE router for RJ45.
No way i was looking for revews and i watch if you got some and you just uploaded it hahahaha
We got this one done as fast as we could.
I bought the Sodola 12 port 10G SFP+ switch for $220.
Is that managed too?
Not bad. This is 10Gbase-T so a bit different.
@@johndelabretonne2373 yes. It’s managed. VLANs, LACP, etc…
15 seconds in and I am adding to cart, but it is the wrong link and is not available on amz
Yea. I did that when I saw the announcement.
Can you use the 5th (1Gbit/s) port as normal or can it only be used for management and PoE, etc.?
I think DAC is a better option in terms of power and latency (and switch costs)
I totally agree but some equipment (notably most consumer-oriented equipment) is copper only.
Apt timing. That's exactly what I'm shopping for.
Perfect
Still... There will be people that will go out and buy it so they can have cheap 10gig router just to realize it's not meant to be one. I blame Mikrotik's confusing naming scheme (Cloud router switch) Otherwise great product, I love Mikrotik's flexibility with ROS.
That jab at Ubiquiti 💣💣 love it
Not a jab. Just explaining.
does this switch support 2.5 gbe on the ports or just 10gbe
Yes. If yo need 2 ports of 10Gbase-T and then a few 2.5GbE ports, there are many less expensive options though.
Now I need to find out which device I can use as 10gb router
Good Video but it leaves many blanks. This is a managed switch and the review was more on "plug and play" side... (why go managed then!)
The review is full of statements which are fairly subjective (speed, management capabilities, L2 performance...)
I my case I have a dual 10G nic on my home server with proxmox and this seems like a nice tool to have to layer all my connections correctly without loosing the 10g advantage at the cost two good quality sfp+ 10g to RJ45 Transceivers!
I wish it has 1 SFP+ cage for those who has fiber uplink
Do the ethernet ports run hot as fire like SFP w/CAT6?
theres a $100 $125 switch out there, been for years. i cant believe how slow, most of you are, i bought into 10gbe in 2011 buying used nics on ebay, and a used switch. im on 25gbe now, moving up to 100gbe.
I click the Amazon link and 90% of the results are sponsored links. After a few minutes I gave up looking for this switch. I’ll try eBay.
Does it have IPv6 for management?
yes
buying soon before the tariffs
Ubiquiti could learn thermal management from Microtik 😎
Can you set up VLANs and trunk ports? I’ve been runnin a $300 8 port mokerlink from Amazon for over a year, no troubles, fully managed. Could use some more ports but definitely need real management.
Yes all Mikrotik switches do VLANs and trunk ports.
yeah it has full RouterOS firmware and can do whatever you want, also MLAG and L3 hardware offloading
does it support link aggregation?
Just calling out that this has Nbase-T support (1, 2.5, 5, or 10 GbE) per the specs. It’s not 10 GbE only.
I can't buy it anywhere. It simply isn't listed or for sale in the US - period.
kind of weird you review this new switch and all the you tube links below go to the old switch? How about updating to correct item?
If you are watching a week later figure the main site has 5x as many views. STH Effect sells these out. Hopefully they get restocked
it's still a little on the expensive side, but it's still great to see a fairly inexpensive 10g switch... for $199 though, i'd want at least an 8 port switch.
Okay, now where is the version of this that's rated for a proper Layer 3 pfsense router!
I was considering switching to Ubiquity. Nah. No more.
I believe it is not less than 199 dollar. But i might be wrong.
Since it is new, usually products stick close to the MSRP of $199. The CRS305 is $149 list, we bought the one in the video for $127, and years ago I think we bought one for like $120 or less. Usually after a product has been out for a few weeks/ months the resellers get competitive and street prices decrease on MikroTik.
Key lesson learned: Mikrotik jacked up the price of the CRS312-4C+8XG-RM to make room for this.